// #eevblog — 2019-12-21
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00:08:03 <steve30> hi Halcyon
00:08:07 <Halcyon> Hey Stebe
00:08:08 <Halcyon> Steve'
00:08:16 <steve30> I just woke up
00:08:25 <Halcyon> I'm almost ready for bed
00:08:42 * steve30 coffees
00:08:52 <Halcyon> That reminds me, I need to clean my coffee machine
00:09:12 * steve30 wraps Halcyon in a cosy duvet :)
00:09:24 <Halcyon> Hah, we have fire all around, no thanks :P
00:09:32 <Halcyon> Tomorrow is up to 47 degrees
00:09:42 <steve30> hehe
00:10:28 <Halcyon> I'll be sleeping with the AC on I think
00:14:00 <coppice_> that's rather hot, unless you are american
00:14:10 <Halcyon> :)
00:18:52 <steve30> Just had a Christmas card from the doctor.
00:20:46 <coppice_> "wishing you a profitable health profile in the new year"
00:20:59 <steve30> hehe
00:25:52 <Halcyon> Are you due for a prostate exam ?
00:25:52 <Halcyon> :P
00:28:53 <steve30> Nope. I've never had a prostate exam.
00:29:33 <coppice_> if a doctor suggested I have a prostate exam, I'd tell them where to stick it
00:30:00 <K> you'd hope he knows that
01:42:32 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/3G0pQDk.png
01:42:53 <DHess_US> Doh! https://www.space.com/boeing-starliner-oft-fails-to-reach-correct-orbit.html
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02:44:01 <DHess_US> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/MGMhLX8k/IMG_1922.JPG
03:19:16 <Ysjoelfir> Whats that?
03:24:01 <steve30> Can you get machine guns on prescription now?
03:52:09 <Ysjoelfir> (In Germany: "Can you get guns now?") :D
04:23:15 <Ysjoelfir> HELP MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE guys ;_;
04:23:50 <Ysjoelfir> My wife wants to gift me a "Farting Cats coloring book for beginners" for christmas ;_;
04:24:33 * T3sl4 gives Ysjoelfir a cat with poor digestion
04:25:07 <Ysjoelfir> and when I said I dont want that she told me that she will give me the version "Pooping Animals" -_-
04:25:26 <Ysjoelfir> I dont want anything poopy T3s14 :(
04:27:08 <T3sl4> weird, a german without a poop fetish
04:28:46 <Ysjoelfir> wutt? you know strange germans :D
04:31:55 <T3sl4> i don't know that it's actually a fetish, but aren't they popular, the type of toilet with a shelf so you can inspect the result before flushing it?
04:32:09 <T3sl4> maybe it's just the hotels, as i've heard that from travelers
04:35:01 <steve30> farting cats colouring book?
04:35:05 <steve30> Do farts even have colours?
04:35:29 <Ysjoelfir> Aaaah. Yeah, those are the "old style" toilets used here. nowadays you usually have those... "drop the bomb into the water" style toilets when installing a new one.
04:35:48 <Ysjoelfir> Well, depends on the state of your digestion steve :D
04:37:14 * T3sl4 squeezes steve30 to find out
04:41:41 <Ysjoelfir> And? How were the results T3s14
04:43:01 <T3sl4> think i saw a puff of purple come out
04:53:56 <Ysjoelfir> Thanks for investigating :=
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07:04:13 <Ysjoelfir> eevblog time
07:04:13 <EEVBlog> Ah shoot, Doc! We've ended up at 07:04 Sydney time.
07:04:36 <Ysjoelfir> Hey, its soon time for you guys to get up! :)
07:09:00 * T3sl4 murmurs groggily
07:18:20 <Ysjoelfir> Tim, aren't you in the states? what time is it there?
07:21:35 <T3sl4> i didn't just get up, actually, but i do have a habit of sleeping whenever
07:23:13 <Ampera> good morning friends
07:23:42 <Ysjoelfir> I would love to be able to do that... Saaadly, my employer only allows to work between 9:00 and 22:00. I'm more of a night-worker
07:23:46 <Ysjoelfir> heihei Ampera
07:23:54 <Ampera> hullo
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08:57:17 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: A little bit late to the party @LBRYio And your auto-insert script could do with some work. But thanks. https://t.co/aUvt8hV2n3
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09:46:07 <Ysjoelfir> eevblog time
09:46:08 <EEVBlog> Ah shoot, Doc! We've ended up at 09:46 Sydney time.
10:32:54 <Halcyon> Morning all
10:33:01 <Halcyon> *stretches*
10:36:12 <steve30> evening Halcyon
10:36:40 <Halcyon> Heya Steve
10:36:44 <Halcyon> I'm about to go out and get coffee
10:37:18 <steve30> yum
10:44:54 <Halcyon> Maybe I'll get a ham and cheese croissant too
10:45:09 <steve30> I think i'll have some toast
10:45:18 <Halcyon> Back shortly...
11:05:39 <Halcyon> Mmm coffee
11:15:16 * steve30 looks into routers
11:15:28 <Halcyon> What sort are you looking for?
11:15:43 <DogWomble_> ones that route i would have thought
11:16:21 <Halcyon> Smart ass :P
11:16:38 <steve30> maybe something along these lines
11:16:39 <steve30> https://www.draytek.co.uk/products/business/vigor-2926
11:16:47 <Halcyon> Yeh the Draytek's are decent
11:18:01 <steve30> I'm currently using a WRT54G with DD-WRT
11:18:44 <Halcyon> How much are you looking to spend?
11:19:48 <steve30> Ideally nothing :D
11:20:05 <Halcyon> Heh, why not an old computer you have kicking around and throw pfsense on it?
11:27:15 <ibiza> what is a good modem router to go for?
11:27:16 <ibiza> draytek?
11:27:38 <Halcyon> Yeh I find the Draytek's aren't too bad for a consumer product
11:27:58 <Halcyon> Unless you have VDSL2, you tend to get a slightly lower sync rate, depending on the gear used at the node
11:28:25 <Halcyon> *If you have VDSL2
11:28:31 <ibiza> Halcyon, you still having internet dropouts
11:29:03 <Halcyon> It's been stable so far. I enabled the stability profile on my connection. Just got to keep an eye on it. It's below the threshold of what NBN Co. considers to be a fault.
11:29:32 * Ampera sneezes at Halcyon
11:29:38 <Halcyon> Thanks Ampera :) Love you too
11:29:45 <ibiza> I had a new cable pulled from to my premises on thursday
11:29:46 <Ampera> did you end up getting the entire movie?
11:30:00 <Halcyon> I did. Haven't watched it yet
11:30:02 <rust_collector> hello nerds and other people
11:30:02 <EEVBlog> Hello there, rust_collector!
11:30:06 <rust_collector> yep
11:30:20 <Halcyon> ibiza: FTTN ?
11:30:23 <Ampera> how's the shoving of what you're giving me going?
11:30:33 <ibiza> Halcyon, yes
11:30:36 * Ampera flexes on everyone with his 940/880 FttP
11:31:01 <Halcyon> 36.8 GB of 72.3 GB to go
11:31:02 <Ampera> unmetered too
11:31:07 <Ampera> oh that's quite impressive
11:31:14 <Ampera> faster than posting it :P
11:31:25 <Halcyon> It seems like there is some weird traffic shaping going on with some international links
11:31:26 <steve30> I currently have my DDWRT set up in client mode to get the internet access via 802.11g
11:31:39 <Halcyon> I had the same issue with Steve. I logged a ticket with my ISP to have a look.
11:31:42 <Ampera> Halcyon, well think how many cables and connections it has to make, or could make
11:31:52 <Halcyon> ibiza: Why did they end up replacing the cable?
11:32:13 <Ampera> steve30, how does DD-WRT compare to pfSense?
11:32:22 <Halcyon> Yeh I know, but 50KB per file is a bit shit. Although one is running at 600 KB/sec
11:32:25 <Halcyon> So I have no idea
11:32:35 <Ampera> or otherwise OpenWrt
11:32:53 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
11:32:57 <Ampera> I'm not in a desperate hurry
11:33:10 <Halcyon> No I know, but it would be nice to give them to your grandfather to watch
11:33:17 <Ampera> I need to find a new solution to my email server issue at some point.
11:33:31 <Halcyon> What is your issue?
11:33:32 <Ampera> I automated the SFTP access he has to my RO share so he can watch it all
11:33:46 <Ampera> he can just click an executable script on his desktop and mount it
11:33:53 <Halcyon> I'll mount you
11:34:33 <Ampera> Halcyon, my issue is I can't seem to get a working postfix/dovecot implementation
11:34:40 <Halcyon> *shrug*
11:34:49 <Ampera> simply because the config is so horrifically complicated, even though I know all of what I want to implement.
11:34:49 <Halcyon> I just pay the $8/month for G Suite
11:35:30 <Ampera> the entire point of having my own email server is to not be dependent on google, or any other provider for email
11:35:31 <Halcyon> Also, hello rust_collector
11:35:40 <Halcyon> Sure
11:35:47 <Ampera> which, granted, hasn't gone excellent, since I need to use a proxying service to send email
11:35:59 <Halcyon> And I support your argument, I would like to do that myself. Reality is, it doesn't always work too well.
11:36:09 <Halcyon> Google and Microsoft have pretty much won the email war
11:36:14 <Ampera> Well I'm nothing if not stubborn.
11:36:44 <Halcyon> I have email hosted with my domain provider for my email and even then, most of it ends up in people's spam folder.
11:37:04 <Halcyon> It's like the trust on domains isn't there by default and most providers treat it as spam
11:37:13 <Ampera> I've already gotten all that dealt with
11:37:52 <Ampera> I have SPF, DKIM, and DMARC records.
11:38:09 <Ampera> lol, I do actually have an SMTP server "working"
11:38:12 <Ampera> let me see if it still does
11:39:12 Quit: Chipguy ([email protected]) Quit: Connection closed by foreign host
11:39:21 <Halcyon> * Chipguy has quit (Quit: Connection closed by foreign host)
11:39:24 <Halcyon> Heh, I wonder if that was China
11:39:26 <Halcyon> Or Russia
11:39:27 <Halcyon> :P
11:40:37 <Ampera> Halcyon, did you get it?
11:40:39 <Halcyon> Yup
11:40:43 <Halcyon> Hooray
11:40:47 <Ampera> you see that works
11:41:00 <Ampera> but let me give you a screenshot of what a dovecot config folder looks like
11:41:13 <Halcyon> Indeed. I also replied from my new personal email address, so update your contacts (if you have any)
11:41:42 <Ampera> https://prnt.sc/qdsv3a
11:41:52 <Ampera> I mean fecking look at how many config file there are
11:42:07 <Halcyon> Mm yes, it should be worse
11:42:08 <steve30> Ampera, Don't know. I've never used PFsense or OpenWRT. I only ended up with DD-WRT because someone sent me a router with it installed :).
11:42:15 <Ampera> ah
11:42:22 <Halcyon> Steve: pfsense is the tits
11:42:35 <Halcyon> (or bollocks)
11:42:42 <Ampera> Halcyon, I believe it's configured to receive properly too, but I have no clue if it still works
11:44:03 <Ampera> Might have bounced because the email system may be configured to not store it traditionally, but to send it to dovecot
11:44:08 <Ampera> which isn't running and doesn't work right
11:44:16 <Halcyon> Haven't got an error yet
11:44:30 <Ampera> you might never get an error
11:44:38 <Halcyon> Well fuck you then
11:44:58 <Ampera> ah, the aliases database is
11:44:59 <Ampera> uh
11:45:01 <Ampera> not working
11:45:26 <Halcyon> Well you enjoy that, I'm going to do some housework people visitors arrive
11:45:37 <Halcyon> I'll probably be back on in a few hours or so
11:45:51 <Halcyon> *before
11:54:40 <Ampera> alright
11:58:37 <DHess_US> <Halcyon> Heh, why not an old computer you have kicking around and throw pfsense on it?
11:58:51 <DHess_US> That's actually tricky to do now. Pfsense is 64 bit only since last year.
11:59:52 <rust_collector> I think old is the new not very old, or something
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12:01:21 <Ampera> So what happened is when I turned postfix back on after months of not being on
12:01:29 <Ampera> there were 125 emails in the queue
12:01:31 <Ampera> all from and too root
12:01:34 <Ampera> *to
12:01:54 <Ampera> so my question, is that simply something FreeBSD programs/systems do? Send a load of status emails to root for whatever reason?
12:44:14 <Halcyon> Back
12:44:20 <Halcyon> Phew it's warm outside
12:44:55 <Ampera> Hi Halcyon
12:45:10 <Ampera> would you feel like penetration testing a server (email in general, but overall) at some point?
12:45:16 <Halcyon> Yeh sure
12:45:39 <Ampera> When I get it working I need to know my email implementation is secure
12:45:44 <Halcyon> As long as if I'm allowed to break things :)
12:46:07 <Ampera> now define break
12:46:08 <steve30> Not before he's put me to bed and tucked me in :). I think its about sleepy time.
12:46:33 <Halcyon> Well... cause it to crash, shut down services etc...
12:46:39 <Ampera> yeah that's finje
12:46:47 <Ampera> my request is don't delete stuff
12:46:50 <Halcyon> Sure
12:46:54 <Ampera> if you're at that point, consider me compromised anyways
12:47:02 <Halcyon> Well that's it
12:47:19 <Halcyon> Let me know and I'll give it a crack
12:47:35 <Ampera> also avoid any services that are not mine
12:47:40 <Ampera> if it's running NT, it's not mine
12:47:49 <Halcyon> Rightyo
12:48:24 <Halcyon> Are these running as virtual machines?
12:49:03 <Ampera> Not for you to know.
12:49:22 <Halcyon> Well it's kind of important if you don't want me to touch certain things or reboot the machine
12:49:30 <Ampera> you can reboot whatever
12:49:33 <Halcyon> Okies
12:49:34 <Ampera> so long as it's not running NT
12:50:03 <Ampera> I'll ask you to do it when I believe I have a secure email server
12:50:03 <Halcyon> Anyway back to housework
12:50:05 <Ampera> alright
12:50:06 <Ampera> have fun
12:50:09 <Halcyon> Will do
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14:42:06 * Ampera superdoowops T3sl4 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgBE3pQP75h_pwv_wenxOTLetORk-fmc9
14:42:27 * T3sl4 shoop da whoops Ampera
14:45:57 <Ampera> Halcyon, https://twitter.com/Super70sSports/status/1208226708710731776
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15:21:26 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RIP Chuck Peddle. We had him on @TheAmpHour podcast, take a listen, he was brilliant! https://t.co/7TuVO8jVAD https://t.co/azIiVBpCYY
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16:03:42 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: It's time for another uBeam, err, sorry, "Sonic Energy" CEO: https://t.co/wRf7HvMcnl
17:07:24 <Halcyon> Ampera: Hahaha
17:08:59 <Halcyon> 26 GB to go
17:09:10 <Ampera> I watched the couple episodes that were there so far
17:09:25 <Halcyon> I quite enjoy it, it's funny
17:10:14 <Ampera> I haven't watched enough to say, but I'm liking it so far
17:10:19 <Ampera> also Halcyon https://imgur.com/gallery/wmwThpq
17:44:16 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Had no idea Eli the computer guy did a video promoting my channel https://t.co/nn8Q6xM83v
18:31:32 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RT @danheld: We are in the longest equity bull market without a 20% drawdown. Thisisfine.jpeg https://t.co/WnVZjUKMaY
18:44:17 <Halcyon> You kind of need to start from the beginning Ampera
18:44:30 <Ampera> wha?
18:44:33 <Halcyon> Hogan's
18:44:35 <Ampera> I did
18:44:38 <Halcyon> Oh right
18:44:41 <Ampera> I watched episodes 1 and 2
18:44:44 <Halcyon> I didn't know they were uploading in order
18:44:44 <Ampera> you didn't start ending 3 yet
18:44:49 <Ampera> they're not
18:44:59 <Halcyon> I'll queue up 3 and 4 to be priority
18:45:33 <Halcyon> Done.
18:45:36 <Halcyon> I'm out for dinner, later guys.
18:45:45 <Ampera> ciao
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19:55:00 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RT @Ghost_Rider_A: Just a red belly black, an eastern brown and a tiger snake deciding they don’t like the festive decorations, they’re onl…
21:31:33 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Some electronics lab action in Ghostbusters the video game https://t.co/My1Sq53DFp
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23:39:54 <Ysjoelfir> Hi all :)
23:40:36 <AndrevS> Hi
23:50:19 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: It's almost xmas time, so time for some xmas carols. Aussie Jingle Bells https://t.co/Jp5YX8nKf9
23:56:53 <Halcyon> Hey Ysjoelfir
23:57:30 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Halcyon :)
23:58:24 <Halcyon> How you doing?
23:59:54 <Halcyon> Ampera got all moist the other day knowing there was a fellow German around
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