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00:00:25 * steve30 curls up next to Halcyon
00:00:29 <Halcyon> Aw
00:00:48 <steve30> Its cold
00:00:51 <steve30> I've got my scarf on
00:06:27 <Halcyon> I need to find a 5.25" Magneto-Optical drive
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09:20:28 <Halcyon> Morning all
09:31:59 * T3sl4 waves
09:38:39 <Halcyon> Mmmm coffee
09:40:45 * T3sl4 also mms
09:53:34 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
09:53:38 <Halcyon> Aw :)
09:53:39 <Ampera> you better be on, you cuck
09:53:40 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
09:53:41 <Ampera> aeyyyy
09:53:47 <Ampera> how do
09:53:54 <Halcyon> Not too bad, you?
09:54:04 <Ampera> good
09:54:14 <Halcyon> Super :)
09:54:14 <Ampera> I made some pommes frites and grilled burgers with thick cut maple bacon
09:54:22 <Halcyon> Yum
09:54:28 <Halcyon> I haven't had breakfast yet
09:54:44 <Ampera> was just thinking of time differences
09:54:52 <Ampera> something interesting about me is I am immune to jetlag
09:55:09 <Ampera> since I effectively live in a constant state of jetlag, and my sleeping schedule is incredibly volatile
09:55:45 <Halcyon> Hooray
09:55:52 <Halcyon> Also, where are you?
09:56:02 <Ampera> 120 miles from where I was born.
09:56:12 <Halcyon> You at your Grandfather's ?
09:56:26 <Ampera> no
09:56:31 <Ampera> that's 120 miles away
09:57:37 <Halcyon> Ah
09:58:14 <Ampera> I'm at ome
09:58:47 <Halcyon> Fair enough
09:59:16 <Halcyon> Back shortly...
10:02:28 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4c1iZplqPs
10:18:45 <Halcyon> Back
10:18:52 <Ampera> 20 minutes
10:19:01 <Ampera> you take a long time to masturbate m9
10:28:52 <Halcyon> Nah I did that before
10:28:58 <Ampera> how do Halcyon
10:29:00 <Halcyon> Went to the bathroom, then I loaded the dishwasher, then the phone rang
10:30:57 <T3sl4> 'lo Ampy
10:31:20 <Halcyon> I'll be back soon though, going to the shops. I'm making lasagne tonight :)
10:31:22 <Ampera> hullo t3ssi
10:31:24 <Ampera> how do
10:31:31 <Halcyon> You guys are queer
10:31:47 <Ampera> I am, T3sl4 is straight as spaghetti
10:32:05 <T3sl4> am good
10:32:12 <T3sl4> made curry earlier :)
10:33:37 <Halcyon> Cooked spaghetti Ampera?
10:33:38 <Halcyon> :P
10:33:45 <Ampera> well
10:33:47 <Ampera> he's straight
10:33:50 <Ampera> until you get him wet
10:33:58 <Halcyon> HAHAHAH!
10:34:01 <Halcyon> Awesome
10:34:03 <Ampera> with something hot works even better
10:34:12 <Halcyon> Anyway back in about 30 minutes or so
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10:39:53 <orzel> Halcyon: hello ! :)
10:39:53 <EEVBlog> Hello there, orzel!
10:43:26 <orzel> Halcyon: got your last pm on forum. I checked the three lists you mention, and I dont think that i'm in any of them. I know StevenBlack, i use in some (antispam) projects. It's not perfect though..
11:26:46 <Halcyon> Hey orzel
11:26:50 <Halcyon> Good to finally see you here
11:27:23 <Halcyon> Yeh not sure. I suspect that it has previously been abused to it was added to this ban list
11:29:28 <Halcyon> Looks like I can get to proxad.net now on my service, it was being blocked the other day *shrug*
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11:40:18 * Halcyon swats at Ampera
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11:46:56 <Halcyon> Awwwww https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HbN94YSz6U
11:47:01 <Halcyon> Look at the little pupper
11:48:30 <gremlinz> mm bum sniff
11:48:37 <Halcyon> Heh
11:48:40 <Halcyon> Morning gremlinz
11:51:40 * DogWomble peers in
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11:53:17 <gremlinz> moanin
11:53:18 <Halcyon> Dammit, I really need a UPS for my desktop
11:53:33 <gremlinz> stop kicking out the power lead
11:53:47 <Halcyon> Heh, just had a brief blackout
11:55:34 <DogWomble> i really should get myself a UPS as well
11:55:57 <Halcyon> I have a big one for the server rack that gives me about 1.5 hours runtime
11:56:04 <DogWomble> i have the occasional blackout here, usually it doesn't last long but i've occcasinoally had one that's gone for a few hours
11:56:05 <Halcyon> But that doesn't help me in the office
11:56:32 <Halcyon> Yeh long blackouts are very rare for me too. The last one was caused by a big possum that shorted out on of the phases in the street
11:56:45 <Halcyon> Half my house (on the other two phases) had power but some didn't.
11:57:01 <DogWomble> i think it's because i live so close to the hospital, if things get a bit overloaded they'd rather keep the hospital running and shut down everything around
11:57:20 <Halcyon> Oh that's right, you'll all green down there with your solar farm :P
11:57:24 <Halcyon> *you're
11:57:40 <Halcyon> Where does your baseload come from?
11:57:51 <DogWomble> i'm not entirely sure
11:58:52 * steve30 meows at Halcyon
11:59:28 <DogWomble> it's happened on and off since i moved in 12 years ago though
11:59:55 <DogWomble> it's not a regualr thing, i just have one or two short blackouts at a time, then a few years without problems and then get another one or two
12:02:00 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
12:46:02 <steve30> Its nice and cosy in bed with my extra blanket on. Kinda sucks that I woke up.
12:46:07 <Halcyon> Aw
12:52:45 <steve30> I think I'll put my hat on
12:52:49 <Halcyon> In bed?
12:53:14 <steve30> no, while sat at my desk, to keep warm
12:53:23 <Halcyon> Is it really that cold there?
12:53:46 <steve30> yeah, its only 20C in here
12:53:55 <Halcyon> Pfft, that's not cold
12:54:12 <Halcyon> That's shorts and T-shirt weather
12:54:39 <steve30> But its only 5C outside.
12:54:46 <Halcyon> But that's outside
12:57:46 * steve30 coffees
12:58:45 * Halcyon nibbles on a slice of baguette with cheese and hot salami
12:59:27 * gremlinz nibbles on nobbys nuts
13:02:12 <Halcyon> Salty ones?
13:03:52 <gremlinz> u know it
13:04:11 * Halcyon fingers his slot-loading DVD drive
13:04:18 <gremlinz> jesus
13:04:52 <Halcyon> I know, work were throwing it out, they are super hard to find (for a reasonable price)
13:05:48 <steve30> I was pondering going out later this morning, but its raining
13:14:14 <Halcyon> I should unpack and clean the dishwasher
13:14:18 <Halcyon> Feeling lazy though
13:19:14 <gremlinz> having a dishwasher in the first instance is the epitome of laziness
13:20:27 <Halcyon> It's being more time efficient
13:20:35 <Halcyon> As is having a robotic vacuum :)
13:20:37 <gremlinz> yea not really
13:20:41 <steve30> The doctors secretary said yesterday that she wants a dishwasher. Apparently she's never had one, but is concerned that she might not use it enough to be worthwhile.
13:20:53 <Halcyon> I use mine every day
13:20:57 <steve30> me too
13:27:41 <Halcyon> Also a dishwasher is more hygienic
13:27:52 <Halcyon> The temperature is much higher than what comes out of the tap
13:51:31 <gremlinz> i think you're trying to justify your laziness :)
14:04:29 <DHess_US> I wouldn't bother with a dishwasher unless I had a water softener to supply it.
14:04:51 <DHess_US> The new detergents create massive hard water problems in dishwashers.
14:07:31 <coppice_> most dishes are so quick to clean with modern detergents that you can wipe them off in the time it takes to place them in a dish washer
14:08:25 <coppice_> and when you have masses of grease, or hard to remove baked on nastiness, dish washers aren't always that effective
14:14:45 <steve30> I like the dishwasher for greasy stuff
14:27:44 <Halcyon> gremlinz: I don't need to justify cleaner dishes that I don't have to do by hand :P
14:27:53 <Halcyon> I have better things to do with my time
14:28:52 <Halcyon> coppice_: Depends on the machine. I've seen some pretty crap dishwashers but the one I have is pretty good. I use it for oven pans all the time, works brilliantly.
14:30:08 <Halcyon> Sometimes I add a little trisodium phosphate at the pre-rinse stage for really dirty stuff
14:30:18 <T3sl4> TSP is illegal tho
14:33:22 <Halcyon> Why?
14:34:03 <Halcyon> You can buy it in 2.2 KG tubs at the hardware store
14:34:13 <T3sl4> phosphates cause algae growth
14:34:23 <Halcyon> Yep, which is why they removed them from detergents
14:34:30 <T3sl4> here anyways, you get "TSP substitute" which is sodium metasilicate
14:34:34 <Halcyon> But it's not banned, at least here
14:34:49 <Halcyon> Yeh this stuff is pure TSP
14:34:55 <Halcyon> (According to the MSDS)
14:35:07 * steve30 returns with food
14:35:36 * T3sl4 sips a coffee
14:37:23 * Halcyon sprinkles some TSP on Steve's food
14:51:55 <gremlinz> hahaha
14:54:43 <steve30> I wonder if I'll be able to go back to sleep now I've eaten
14:54:51 * Halcyon pats Steve
14:58:33 * Ampera sneezes on Halcyon, lovingly
14:58:58 <Halcyon> Thanks :)
14:59:08 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRKXFeyBIrw
14:59:25 <Halcyon> I like The Beach Boys
14:59:36 <Ampera> I like Doo-wop
14:59:50 * T3sl4 sticks a pencil up Ampera's butt
14:59:53 * steve30 curls up on Halcyon's lap and relaxes
15:00:10 * Ampera farts out a cloud of sawdust and graphite
15:00:19 <Halcyon> Buns of steel
15:01:28 <Ampera> I think I might want to clean my grill
15:01:34 <Ampera> because everything is sort of kinda tasting of creosote
15:02:06 * T3sl4 puts an after-dinner mint on Ampera's grill
15:02:12 <Halcyon> Doesn't sound appetising
15:02:29 <T3sl4> it's Mr. Creosote, innit?
15:02:29 <Ampera> Appetising is one thing
15:02:36 <Ampera> creosote is a carcinogen.
15:02:54 <T3sl4> Ampera is a carcinogen
15:03:03 <Ampera> I am the definition of cancer
15:03:23 <Halcyon> Except you're the kind of cancer people like Ampera
15:04:05 <Ampera> mmm lung cancer
15:05:15 <Halcyon> I should water the lawn soon
15:05:56 <Ampera> oh Halcyon
15:05:59 <Halcyon> Mmm ?
15:06:28 <Ampera> I'm likely going to be getting a job as temp full time QA developer starting Feb 1
15:07:51 <Halcyon> Oh nice :)
15:07:55 <Halcyon> That's great news
15:08:13 <Ampera> I'm also going to put significant time and funds into getting my driver's license
15:08:22 <Halcyon> Good work
15:08:31 <Ampera> I also intend to get my car registered and insured.
15:08:39 <Halcyon> Then once you come here, you can drive :)
15:08:51 <Ampera> That's something that's always baffled me
15:08:55 <Ampera> that my license works in other nations
15:09:07 <Ampera> because you have vastly different traffic laws
15:09:13 <Halcyon> Yeh it's confusing for me too. I don't fully agree with it.
15:09:38 <Halcyon> Like for example for US, UK, etc... that's fine because you have similar rules and standards
15:09:41 <Ampera> Eh, maybe you can give me a bit of a crash course in it
15:09:52 <Ampera> or I can just not drive
15:09:58 <Halcyon> But when people come over from Vietnam or India, that's a different story
15:16:56 * steve30 continues to feel cold
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15:18:45 * T3sl4 gives steve30 a blanket and a hug
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15:22:30 <Halcyon> Fucking NBN
15:22:52 * steve30 solders Halcyon's fibres back together :D
15:22:58 <Halcyon> I wish I had fibre
15:23:09 <Halcyon> I wouldn't have these issues
15:26:25 <coppice_> Ampera: if your licence didn't work in other countries tourism and business travel would be severely curtailed
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15:27:32 <coppice_> Halcyon: UK and Indian people going to .au are OK, but the US people drive on the wrong side of the road
15:29:39 <Ampera> coppice_, yes, because I'm going to drive to Australia
15:29:41 <Ampera> or the UK
15:29:48 <Ampera> or anywhere else in Eurasia for that matter
15:30:43 <coppice_> huh?
15:31:32 <Ampera> I find it insane that a license for a nation with completely different driving laws and practices would be usable in another without so much as a basic test.
15:32:00 <Ampera> It's alright when the countries are normally otherwise connected, like within the EU, Asia, or North America
15:32:55 <coppice_> you can't expect people to take a test for a holiday or a short business trip. a foreign driving licence usually only works for a limited period. If I stayed in the US for more than 60 days I would need to take a US test
15:33:13 <Ampera> Why not
15:33:30 <Ampera> countries often demand incredibly difficult visa applications
15:34:14 <coppice_> maybe Avis and Hertz have massive political clout :)
15:34:21 <Ampera> lol
15:34:42 <Ampera> the general idea is not to take the full driver's test, but to make sure people know basic things like
15:34:45 <Ampera> what signs mean
15:34:56 <Ampera> I genuinely cannot say I know what all the signs in Australia or the EU mean, or how they operate.
15:35:02 <Ampera> since those rules are completely different to the US
15:35:07 <coppice_> apart from the US, signs are very similar in most countries
15:35:17 <Ampera> Well I'm in the US
15:35:21 <Ampera> so that fucks that one up a bit
15:35:22 <coppice_> its things like roundabouts that confuse people not used to them
15:35:44 <Ampera> the issue is the age old question, is a rotary a roundabout
15:35:55 <steve30> Its wierd having to go the wrong way around roundabouts in foreign countries
15:35:56 <Ampera> we have rotaries here, but not small roundabouts.
15:36:20 <coppice_> even within the US some of the rules are a problem. Can I right turn on a red light in this location?
15:37:03 <Ampera> Right turn on red is permitted so long as you A. yield to pedestrians B. do not have a sign telling you no
15:37:17 <Ampera> that rule is pretty much universal
15:37:27 <coppice_> that seems to vary from place to place
15:37:38 <Ampera> ?
15:37:44 <Ampera> We do have rules that vary from place to place in the US
15:37:50 <Ampera> turning lanes is a big, annoying one
15:38:00 <Ampera> but not right on red
15:38:17 <Ampera> right on red is permitted unless there is an active sign that says you are not allowed to
15:38:23 <Ampera> and so long as you don't run anyone over
15:39:02 <coppice_> well, that's frowned up everywhere
15:39:07 <coppice_> upon
15:39:10 <Ampera> not here
15:39:15 <Ampera> perfectly legal and nobody minds it
15:39:43 <Ampera> right on red really isn't an issue since it's pretty hard to crash into anyone
15:39:57 <coppice_> well, most places really do frown up running people over
15:40:03 <Ampera> ah
15:40:07 <Ampera> thought you meant ror
15:40:17 <Ampera> although that's not really frowned upon here either
15:40:38 <Ampera> if you're not in a large car, metal enough to break everyone else's, nobody fucking cares
15:40:49 <coppice_> especially children for some reason. why it that worse than running over an adult?
15:41:01 <Ampera> I know, the adult has more experiences and is more valuable to society
15:41:18 <Ampera> the child has less to loose, and doesn't take nearly as long to replace.
15:41:33 <Halcyon> Learning to drive on the opposite side isn't hard
15:41:38 <Halcyon> A few seconds and you pick it up
15:41:57 <coppice_> Halcyon: most people don't find that
15:42:11 <Ampera> I've never even driven on the right side of the road, so I have no clue
15:42:29 <Halcyon> Ampera: The general rule here is, unless there is a sign that says you CAN do something (left turn on red, u-turn at lights etc...) then by default you can't do it
15:42:48 <Ampera> u-turn is a bad idea all around
15:42:56 <Halcyon> Eh, it depends.
15:42:58 <Ampera> but in general it's not completely illegal unless there is an outstanding situation preventing it or a sign
15:43:06 <Halcyon> At some sets of lights, there is plenty of room, others you can't do it one move.
15:43:27 <Ampera> Boulevards are awesome for U-turns though
15:43:37 <Halcyon> Either way, whoever has a green light or arrow has right of way
15:44:43 <Ampera> I should probably find my Kinderresisepass at some point.
15:45:12 <Halcyon> But yeh as I was saying before Ampera, provided you aren't a resident here, you can drive on an international licence for as long as you want
15:45:24 <Halcyon> Once you move here, you must obtain an Australian licence
15:45:37 <Ampera> As a beg and suggestion, if you do come here, do not drive oyu
15:45:39 <Ampera> you will fucking die
15:45:43 <Ampera> *here
15:45:59 <Halcyon> Hah friends of mine have driven in America, they said it wasn't too dissimilar
15:46:05 <Ampera> What part
15:46:12 <Halcyon> Not sure, I can find out
15:46:23 <Ampera> I'm basically in New England, and we're second only to India in drivers who have 0 shits
15:46:31 <Halcyon> Hah
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15:47:00 <Ampera> except in India few people ever try to go fast, over here, people will drive sideways at you interpreting the speed limit as a multiplier
15:47:01 <Halcyon> Here, it's less of the case of no fucks given, it's the non-English speaking people who have absolutely zero idea HOW to drive
15:47:13 <Halcyon> Like in India, they hand out 50 year licences or some shit
15:47:41 <Ampera> 50 year licenses?
15:47:46 <Ampera> afaik the licenses in Germany do not expire
15:48:05 <Ampera> My dad still has his from the 1990's, and he used it just a few years ago.
15:48:23 <coppice_> the licences in most countries don't expire, or expire at some age. like a UK ones expires on your 70th birthday
15:48:28 <Halcyon> Yes but I assume in Germany, the rules are far stricter, the testing more stringent, the cars safer and more capable and people actually get taught properly?
15:48:35 <Ampera> Halcyon, fuck yes
15:48:42 <Halcyon> Yes, so that's fine
15:48:49 <Ampera> it is quite literally easier to get a pilot's license here than a driver's license in Germany
15:48:54 <Halcyon> In India, they pretty much just hand it to you
15:48:56 <Ampera> particularly if you want to drive on the highway
15:49:04 <coppice_> Halcyon: what makes you think that doesn't happen in India?
15:49:06 <Ampera> the no-limit sections of the highway are fucking awesome though
15:49:14 <Halcyon> coppice_: Which bit?
15:49:17 <Ampera> I believe the fastest I went was 170-180 kph
15:49:36 <Halcyon> Hehe, yeh if you go out on the open road in the outback there are no speed limits here either
15:49:43 <Ampera> Really?
15:49:48 <Halcyon> Yup
15:49:57 <coppice_> Halcyon: you need to pass a similar test in India to most other countries
15:50:05 <Ampera> A. are those legal roads, and B. I was under the impression that Germany was the only nation to still offer that.
15:50:21 <Halcyon> Not having taken that test I wouldn't know, but I suspect the test is far different to the one in Germany
15:50:38 <Halcyon> Provided your Tata has a steering wheel and 4 wheels, she'll be right :P
15:50:59 <coppice_> Ampera: the autobahns are no fun, unless the rental company can offer you a decent car. On one occasion the only car Avis had was an AMG Mercedes, which made that trip fun
15:51:42 <Ampera> We had a fairly higher end Peugeot, so we could go decent speeds
15:51:53 <Ampera> but my dad, having not driven in Germany for years, never really went above 140-150kph
15:52:08 <Ampera> My grandmother, however, fucking flew her tiny shopping car like a rocket
15:52:15 <Ampera> with 5 passengers
15:52:35 <Ampera> I don't know what the fuck they put in that car, but she hit at least 170kph
15:52:45 <coppice_> you can seldom sustain really high speeds. something always gets in the way
15:53:13 <Ampera> I wonder if it would be easier to renew/upgrade my kinderreisepass to a full one than to simply apply for a new German passport
15:53:17 <Ampera> I should really look this stuff up
15:53:26 <coppice_> 170 isn't that fast. we kept going up to something like 240
15:54:01 <Halcyon> The fastest I've ever driven was 194 km/hr in a Volkswagen Transporter
15:54:11 <Halcyon> It actually went quite well, very stable on the road
15:54:51 <Halcyon> Mind you that was 0200hrs on the M4 Motorway in Sydney
15:54:54 <Halcyon> There was no one else around
15:54:59 <coppice_> 194 sounds a bit fraught in a van, but its nothing in a modern sedan or estate car
15:55:13 <Halcyon> Yeh it was but I was going to an urgent job
15:55:22 <Halcyon> And it was only for a few minutes
15:56:23 <coppice_> that AMG Mercedes was nice to drive at 240, but the furthest we went flat out was probably less than 10km. there are too many obstacles
15:58:10 <Halcyon> I'd love to take my car up to speeds
15:58:41 <Halcyon> I live near Sydney so there isn't anywhere where it can be done legally, apart from a race track
15:59:09 <Halcyon> Anyway back in about 20 minutes, need to go water my front lawn.
15:59:13 <coppice_> what's the general limit in .au?
15:59:19 <Halcyon> "General" as in?
15:59:29 <coppice_> well, the fastest roads
15:59:46 <Halcyon> In most states the general maximum speeds is 110, but some roads are 130
15:59:54 <Ampera> I need to write my damn script for my damn YouTube video
16:00:01 <Halcyon> Then as I said, right in the middle of nowhere it's derestricted
16:00:06 <Ampera> I got a nicer camera to use, my dad's DSLR
16:00:10 <coppice_> 130 is OK, but 110 is pretty slow
16:00:17 <Ampera> the issue is that it's one of those cameras that maxes out the recording time at ~24 minutes
16:00:21 <Halcyon> It is, there has been a push to up the 110 highways to 130
16:00:28 <Halcyon> Most people sit on 120-125 anyway
16:00:32 <Ampera> so I'll just have to be mindful of that
16:00:49 <Halcyon> The studies they have done show the road toll is actually lower at those higher speeds due to the sheer distances involved
16:00:52 <Ampera> Halcyon, which should I do 1080p30 or 1080i60 yadif?
16:01:06 <Halcyon> I record everything in Progressive wherever possible
16:01:11 <Halcyon> Saves having to deinterlace later
16:01:18 <Ampera> but what if I can do 60i over 30p
16:01:26 <Ampera> deinterlace is fine, I can do that no problem
16:01:29 <coppice_> the UK limit is 70MPH (112KPH) which is pretty slow
16:01:33 <Halcyon> Sure but it's another step
16:01:42 <Ampera> that's not what I asked
16:01:45 <Halcyon> I prefer editing directly with whole frames
16:01:49 <Ampera> in terms of quality, 1080p30 or 1080i60 yadif
16:01:51 <Halcyon> I would to 30P
16:01:54 <Halcyon> *do
16:01:57 <Ampera> well I'd yadif to 1080p60
16:02:02 <Ampera> but I don't know if that would be somehow worse than 1080p30
16:02:05 <Ampera> which is what I'm asking
16:02:15 <Halcyon> To preserve image quality, 30p
16:02:26 <Ampera> alright
16:02:31 <Ampera> I might do some comparisons too, but yeah
16:02:34 <Halcyon> But most people wouldn't notice anyway
16:02:48 <Ampera> I'd like better options for a good video camera
16:02:59 <Ampera> something cheaper, but can record at 1080p60
16:03:19 <Ampera> things like adjustable codec and bitrate options, and saving to a wrapper that doesn't need to be finalized would be nice
16:03:33 <Halcyon> *nod* I'm a little out of touch with cameras these days. The last time I bought a video camera was a proper broadcast camera
16:04:04 <Halcyon> And back then I was recording to AVCHD or DNxHD
16:04:10 <Halcyon> (via HD-SDI)
16:04:33 <Ampera> Actually I wouldn't mind a dumb camera that simply spat out SDI
16:04:44 <Ampera> then I could put it into a computer with an SDI capture card and do whatever I want to it
16:05:03 <Halcyon> Yeh you're looking at big money for those kinds of cameras (generally)
16:05:15 <coppice_> there are a few cameras like that, like the Blackmagic ones
16:05:19 <Halcyon> You can buy FLIR cameras which will do just that, but they are usually for specialist applications
16:05:30 <Halcyon> Yeh Blackmagic do some decent kit
16:05:32 <Ampera> Yeah I'd really only be willing to spend 200-300 dollars on a solution
16:05:38 <Halcyon> *nod*
16:05:50 <Halcyon> Yeh so I'd be looking at point-and-shoot or secondhand DSLR
16:06:05 <Ampera> I need something better than that though
16:06:10 <Ampera> I need to know it fits basic requirements
16:06:10 <Halcyon> You have to spend more
16:06:18 <Ampera> otherwise it's not worth spending money on
16:06:32 <Halcyon> *shrug* For $200-300 you options are very limited
16:06:41 <Ampera> it needs to shoot 1080p60, it needs to take either DV or SD media (preferably both), and it needs to have unlimited recording times
16:06:52 <Halcyon> DV? Tapes?
16:06:57 <Ampera> I'd be willing to increase that number if needed
16:06:59 <Ampera> aye
16:07:02 <Halcyon> Why?
16:07:09 <Ampera> Because my logic is nobody wants them
16:07:15 <Ampera> ergo, they are cheaper
16:07:24 <Ampera> that hasn't turned out to be true on ebay, but that's just ebay
16:07:41 <Halcyon> True, but good luck finding those which will shoot HD at 60 frames
16:07:47 <Ampera> they won't
16:07:52 <Halcyon> It's old technology
16:07:59 <Ampera> but if it's otherwise a good camera I could live with that
16:08:09 <Ampera> *if* it would be cheaper otherwise
16:08:15 <Ampera> but that's why I said DV or SD
16:08:17 <Halcyon> I'd focus my attention on a better-spec'd flash storage only camera
16:08:22 <Halcyon> *nod*
16:08:34 <Halcyon> Anyway back soon
16:08:35 <Ampera> I never said it needs to have DV
16:08:35 <Ampera> ciao
16:10:49 <coppice_> didn't the DV cameras stick at 1080i60, as that's what they broadcast?
16:11:08 <Ampera> DV does 1440x1080 @ 60i
16:11:27 <Ampera> which I would live with if I could then spend 200 dollars or less for such a camera, with otherwise solid optics and CCD tech
16:11:38 <coppice_> yeah, but it does 1920x1080 too
16:11:53 <Ampera> where does it say that
16:12:05 <coppice_> it depends on the camera
16:12:41 <Ampera> It would be really neat if I could record h.264 to DV tape
16:13:21 <coppice_> why would that be good? the way DV records allows for much better editing
16:13:38 <Ampera> Isn't HDV a far more inefficient codec than h.264?
16:13:52 <Ampera> the point would be to stuff a modern codec on that format, since you can fit quite a bit of data on one of those tapes
16:14:51 <coppice_> if you just want to record and play H.264 is good. If you want to edit, decompressing and recompressing H.264 really hurts the quality
16:15:15 <Ampera> Yes, but I know how to work with h.264
16:15:26 <Ampera> It is capable of stuffing much more into much less space than nicer codecs
16:15:33 <Ampera> and the name of the game here is I do not have a lot of money
17:07:22 <Halcyon> Back
17:07:26 <Halcyon> Jerry is with me
17:07:32 <Ampera> I might do something crazy
17:07:39 * Ampera pats jerry
17:07:39 <Halcyon> Masturbate?
17:07:41 <Ampera> no
17:07:42 <Halcyon> Oh
17:07:43 <Ampera> I wish
17:07:47 <Ampera> I might make some garlic bread
17:07:49 <Ampera> at 1AM
17:07:57 <Halcyon> Have you tried those noodles yet farken?
17:08:23 <Ampera> No I have not, but in my defense I've been quite busy and haven't had a casual day where I could just sit down and do that
17:08:38 <Ampera> I have not forgotten about them, I see them every time I go to have something to eat
17:08:38 <Halcyon> Make them now, in lieu of garlic bread :P
17:08:49 <Ampera> issue is the garlic bread is about to go bad
17:08:56 <Halcyon> Freeze it
17:09:00 <Ampera> lol
17:09:02 <Ampera> like we have room
17:09:09 <Halcyon> *sigh*
17:09:12 <Ampera> I can make the noodles any day, they're not going anywhere
17:09:23 <Halcyon> You could have both?
17:09:36 <Ampera> alright fine I'll make the noodles
17:09:41 <Halcyon> \o/
17:09:43 <Ampera> but only because I don't think I could eat the garlic bread
17:09:45 <Ampera> I'll be back
17:09:47 <Halcyon> You might need the garlic bread anyway
17:09:53 <Halcyon> In case you cant finish the noodles
17:10:03 <Halcyon> How old is this bread?
17:10:03 <Ampera> I finish them if it kills me
17:10:10 <Ampera> Well the best before day was the 6th
17:10:14 <Halcyon> Uhh
17:10:15 <Ampera> and it's the 14th now
17:10:27 <Ampera> I checked it, it's fine
17:10:28 <Halcyon> Yeh I wouldn't be eating that if it wasn't frozen
17:10:34 <Ampera> it's fine
17:10:44 <Ampera> butter isn't rancid and the bread has no mould
17:10:45 <Halcyon> Visually maybe, what about all the mold spores?
17:10:49 <Ampera> so?
17:10:54 <Halcyon> *shrug*
17:10:57 <Ampera> green mold isn't dangerous
17:10:58 <Halcyon> It's your body
17:11:04 <Halcyon> This is true
17:11:30 <Ampera> I'll be toasting it anyways, that would probably kill most of what's on the outside
17:11:39 <Halcyon> Heheh Jerry is nibbling at my ears
17:11:46 <Ampera> did you cook yours with a kettle?
17:12:02 <Halcyon> No, on the stove, as per packet instructions
17:12:18 <Ampera> I'll do that then
17:15:07 <Halcyon> Also, I just re-read, if it was "Best Before" that's fine
17:15:15 <Halcyon> I misread it as a "Use by"
17:22:53 <Halcyon> Yuck, it's supposed to be between 30 and 44 degrees next week
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17:29:16 <Ampera> Halcyon, so my first problem came when it asked me for 600ml of water
17:29:33 <Halcyon> I didn't bother with that
17:29:39 <Halcyon> Water in pan, cook noodles
17:29:42 <Ampera> yeah in hindsight it wasn't needed
17:29:51 <Ampera> second problem was it wasn't a soup
17:29:56 <Ampera> so tabasco can't save it if it's shit
17:30:03 <Ampera> also I wanted to use my saltines
17:30:07 <Halcyon> No, it's not a soup
17:30:35 <Halcyon> You drain the water prior to adding chilli
17:30:41 <Ampera> aye
17:30:47 <Ampera> oh that's a decent spice
17:30:51 <Halcyon> Yes, yes it is
17:31:04 <Ampera> not bad though
17:31:07 <Ampera> slightly sweet
17:31:20 <Halcyon> Even I, by the end, was dribbling a little
17:31:31 <Ampera> It's actually quite nice
17:31:40 <Ampera> the spice isn't cheap ramen shit
17:31:49 <Halcyon> No, it has a decent flavour
17:31:54 <Halcyon> Not so chemically
17:32:13 <Ampera> My issue with cheaper ramens is they basically just use pure capsaicin, which fucking wrecks your throat
17:32:20 <Halcyon> Yep
17:32:21 <Ampera> this just does your tongue
17:32:39 <Halcyon> The heat builds I find
17:32:45 <Ampera> oh yeah
17:32:47 <Halcyon> I think the oil buffers it quite a bit at the start
17:32:53 <Ampera> definitely the spiciest thing I've ever eaten
17:33:02 <Ampera> good though
17:33:31 <Halcyon> I usually throw some peas in and maybe some fried onion
17:33:40 <Halcyon> Just to give it a little something more
17:33:45 <Ampera> I don't have any peas and I don't like fried onion
17:33:50 <Ampera> I think I might actually grab some milk
17:34:15 <Halcyon> Heh
17:34:34 <Halcyon> As I said, I LOVE chilli, but that was very hot for my tastes.
17:34:44 <Halcyon> Not deadly, but certainly up there
17:37:17 <Ampera> milk's gone bad
17:43:14 <Ampera> I might be reaching my limit Halcyon
17:43:16 <Ampera> that's some fucking heat
17:47:28 <Ampera> I don't mind heat, but honestly I always end up wishing thing I eat don't have it
17:47:33 <Ampera> because it makes enjoying food harder
17:47:45 <Ampera> fuck it I need to drink some half&half
17:50:27 <Ampera> yeah I tapped the fuck out
17:51:43 <Halcyon> Back
17:51:50 <Halcyon> Oh no... no milk?
17:52:15 <Ampera> I did half&half
17:52:16 <Halcyon> Heh, it's an interesting product that one
17:52:19 <Ampera> which actually works better
17:52:27 <Ampera> good lord, it was alright at first
17:52:35 <Halcyon> I can get through a bowl, but like I said, I'm dribbling by the end of it
17:53:01 <Ampera> I might be able to get through one on a big dose of Diphenhydramine, caffeine, and tylenol
17:53:16 <Halcyon> Hehe, it gets the endorphins going
17:53:22 <Ampera> not really
17:53:29 <Ampera> the issue is that it otherwise tastes really nice
17:53:32 <Ampera> so I feel bad for not eating it
17:53:35 <Ampera> but it's just punishment
17:53:53 <Ampera> it feels like I ate a bush I shouldn't have
17:54:10 <Halcyon> Well I figured it would go one of two ways... you would eat it and agree it was hot... or you wouldn't get through it and I get to inflict pain on you remotely.
17:54:14 <Halcyon> :P
17:54:32 <Ampera> you inflicted pain on all of us
17:54:38 <Ampera> with your frickin roo and chili jerky
17:54:50 <Halcyon> Heh, oh those were tasty
17:54:52 <Ampera> your damn minties even chipped one of my teeth
17:54:56 <Halcyon> In fact, I need to order more
17:55:11 <Ampera> I need to send you a box of actually nice things just to show you up
17:55:19 <Ampera> Did I end up sending you hot fries?
17:55:27 <Halcyon> I don't recall ?
17:55:33 <Halcyon> I'll know the packet if I saw it
17:55:35 <Ampera> they are quite nice
17:55:37 <Ampera> andy capp's
17:55:40 <Ampera> blue bag
17:55:59 <Ampera> https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71DvsuntlqL._SL1200_.jpg
17:56:00 <Halcyon> They do ring a bell
17:56:06 <Ampera> I think I did
17:56:06 <Halcyon> AHh yes those, they stain your fingers
17:56:16 <Ampera> That's the spiciest thing I enjoy eating
17:56:28 <Halcyon> Right
17:56:47 <Halcyon> So to give you some kind of idea, those hot fries were like a 1 or 2 on my heat scale
17:57:01 <Ampera> They get hot if you shove a load in
17:57:11 <Ampera> what I just ate just defined the new 10
17:57:17 <Ampera> those fries are maybe a 5-6 on there
17:57:21 <Halcyon> Those noodles are about a 9.0-9.5 for my palate
17:57:36 <Halcyon> I have eaten hotter foods
17:57:52 <Halcyon> I *really* enjoy chilli
17:57:59 <Ampera> The thing is pain is relative
17:58:03 <Ampera> so now everything else I eat will be less spicy
17:58:11 <Halcyon> Oh yeh, you get used to it too
17:58:13 <Ampera> in that logic I want to one day eat a chocolate bhutla
17:58:24 <Ampera> which will be the greatest pain I will ever experience in my life
17:58:32 <Ampera> but will make it so that I never have to give a shit about spicy again
17:58:36 <Halcyon> When I first started eating chilli, I endured so much pain, but it was good pain.
17:58:58 <Halcyon> I actually almost get a rush out of it. I know its hot when my face goes all tingly
17:59:35 <Halcyon> I think I sent you two packs of those noodles... Use the second pack wisely :P
17:59:40 <Ampera> one interesting thing is my mouth generated a ton of mucous
17:59:47 <Ampera> I'm sending that second pack to someone I fucking hate
17:59:52 <Halcyon> Bahaha
18:00:08 <Ampera> Maybe I'll give it to my chemistry teacher.
18:00:46 <Halcyon> I have eaten them with half the chilli sachet as a snack, but it does lack the flavour. You could probably supplement that by adding stock to the cooking water
18:01:03 <Ampera> I'm not doing jack shit
18:01:13 <Ampera> if I want spicy noodle I'm gonna make them myself with tabasco
18:01:20 <Halcyon> Send it to jspiros :P
18:01:31 <Halcyon> Then after he eats it, tell him it's from me. Muahaha
18:01:32 <Ampera> like he'd give me his address
18:01:43 <Ampera> he probably already had some anyways
18:01:53 <Ampera> also I happen to like jspiros.
18:02:13 <Ampera> I tell you what, out of my house, I personally am able to handle heat the best out of anyone
18:02:17 <Halcyon> I do generally, but when he thinks people are wrong, he gets too cocky for my liking
18:02:18 <Ampera> if I were to have given that to my dad he would have fucking died
18:02:33 <Ampera> Halcyon, those are the sorts of people you need to learn how to deal with
18:02:47 <Ampera> because they have the tendency to be your bosses
18:02:49 <Halcyon> I deal with them by avoiding them
18:03:09 <Halcyon> Yes and no. One of them is my boss, I just go to the Chief Inspector above him.
18:03:22 <Halcyon> But some of them are my subordinates and they do not get rewarded
18:03:42 <Ampera> I'm excited to start working.
18:04:04 <Ampera> my burps taste like a mix between creosote and lighter fluid
18:04:04 <Halcyon> I'm a little excited for you too
18:04:06 <Ampera> so that can't be good
18:04:14 <Halcyon> Hah
18:04:20 <Ampera> I need to stop using that damn grill
18:04:24 <Halcyon> Brings a new twist to BBQ'd foods
18:04:32 <Ampera> I love charcoal but that thing is just being used beyond its abilities.
18:04:56 <Halcyon> Standby, need to feed the birds outside
18:08:12 <Halcyon> Back
18:08:17 <Ampera> birbs
18:08:30 <Ampera> want to do a phone call
18:08:56 <Ampera> Halcyon,
18:09:08 <Halcyon> Yes
18:09:14 <Ampera> alright, standby
18:09:17 <Halcyon> I also just sent you a photo of a magpie and cockatoo on discord
18:19:17 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: #Australia Count the flies https://t.co/lvUa7zIO0W
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18:34:52 <Halcyon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannelloni
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18:43:18 * steve30 returns from sleeping
18:43:34 <steve30> I warmed up in bed with my electric blanket and dozed off for a bit.
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18:47:30 <Halcyon> What are you doing up Steve?
18:49:21 <steve30> coffeeing
18:50:56 <Halcyon> What time is it?
18:51:05 <steve30> 0750
18:51:09 <Halcyon> Ah fair enough
18:51:11 <Halcyon> Good morning :D
18:53:06 <steve30> I've acquired a big mouse pointer
18:53:07 <steve30> http://stevecoates.net/stuff/big_mouse.JPG
19:04:42 <steve30> I think I'll install Haiku OS on this machine later.
19:36:36 <AndrevS> good morning
19:37:01 <AndrevS> Haiku OS, it's a while since I've been playing around with Haiku
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20:20:57 <steve30> Its nice
20:37:34 <AndrevS> Back in the days, I really liked BeOS.
20:45:10 <steve30> I used BeOS a bit back in the early 2000s and rather liked it
21:11:27 <AndrevS> Yeah... BeOS.... it has this feeling about it of being ahead of its time. Back then...
21:12:26 <AndrevS> And when Be Inc. went down, I used Zeta for a while, but it wasn't quite it.
21:14:32 <AndrevS> One of the community distros that showed up, which I liked, PhOS.
21:20:11 <AndrevS> And then... I had a look at SkyOS and Syllable. Back in the days it was like, SkyOS vs Haiku vs Syllable. Those three were like, the three alternatives. Seems like Haiku is the last one standing.
21:24:33 <steve30> I think I have Syllable on a CD somewhere
21:24:48 <DHess_US> https://imgur.com/gallery/Xfvb8cB
21:25:16 <steve30> lol
21:26:11 <DHess_US> https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/12/13/23bf350b7c80005a.jpg
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23:55:31 <Halcyon> Evening all
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