// #eevblog — 2019-12-12
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05:57:16 Topic Is: Official IRC channel of the EEVBlog - www.eevblog.com
05:57:16 Set By: (Halcyon) on: Mon Dec 17 17:18:40 2018
05:57:16 <Nothing\> https://tinyurl.com/syy5rbd
05:57:16 <Nothing\> there, that's a bit better
05:57:16 <Nothing\> i loathe to think of trying to go down one of those in a wheelchair on your own
05:57:16 <rust_collector> oh, a snowboard ramp
05:57:16 <rust_collector> cool
05:57:16 <Nothing\> lol basically
05:57:16 <rust_collector> I want to go to somewhere like that
05:57:16 <Ampera> Hi Nothing\
05:57:16 <Ampera> how do
05:57:16 <rust_collector> maybe just ukraine or... that other one
05:57:16 <Nothing\> hey Ampera i'm holding in there, you know
05:57:16 <Nothing\> how're you doing?
05:57:16 <Nothing\> rust_collector: yeah seeing all these videos mr bald put up made me wanna go and check out all of these former soviet places
05:57:16 <Ampera> my last day of school is tomorrow
05:57:16 <Ampera> I'm almost through
05:57:16 <Nothing\> right on man
05:57:16 <rust_collector> wow
05:57:16 <Nothing\> i finally had my court thing
05:57:16 <Ampera> How did it go
05:57:16 <Nothing\> worse than i hoped, but better than it could have been
05:57:16 <rust_collector> they let him have a tablet and wifi on the cell
05:57:16 <Nothing\> i took a plea deal to a lesser charge, but it still carries a mandatory minimum of 3 months, so looks like i'm going to jail
05:57:17 <Nothing\> sentencing isn't until february
05:57:17 <Nothing\> but otherwise i would have been looking at at least a year or year and a half mandatory minimum
05:57:17 <Ampera> No hope of proving innocence?
05:57:17 <Nothing\> apparently not
05:57:17 <Nothing\> and it seemed too great a risk if it didn't work out
05:57:17 <Ampera> How good are your jails?
05:57:17 <rust_collector> can you get some kind of education while you are there?
05:57:17 <Nothing\> but this way i only serve 2 months out of the 3 and my lawyer's gonna try to get me to serve it on weekends, which if i go in on friday and come out on sunday counts as 3 days, even though it's only 60 hours or so
05:57:17 <Nothing\> so really i'll only end up doing 45 days
05:57:17 <Ampera> oh that's good
05:57:17 <Nothing\> rust_collector: i asked about that and he didn't seem sure that i could if i were only there on weekends, but i'd like to try at least
05:57:17 <Nothing\> Ampera: our jails aren't bad, better than american jails i'd say
05:57:17 <rust_collector> but you can, if you do something worse, so you have to stay there?
05:57:17 <Ampera> Well there have been gulags better than some American jails.
05:57:17 <Nothing\> i can't really say, i've only ever been to an open custody facility before as a youth, which is more like a halfway house sort of setting
05:57:17 <K> that'll teach you to not break the law!
05:57:17 <Nothing\> Ampera: oh i know, there was this guy from a show called banged up abroad where people talk about being put in jail in foreign countries while traveling, he was this big time ecscacy dealer in the states and wound up getting prison time and the place he was in sounded absolutely wretched
05:57:17 <Nothing\> one thing that stuck out was when their toilets weren't working cuz they had no running water, his cell mate had to shit in a bag
05:57:17 <Ampera> The really good places are the for-profit prisons, in those quite literally nobody cares about you
05:57:17 <Nothing\> he does blogs and public speaking bits on youtube, i wish i could remember his name
05:57:17 <Nothing\> well in my experience, i was always treated pretty well and fair in the jails i've been in and by cops i've dealt with
05:57:17 <rust_collector> I think there is a difference between jail and prison
05:57:17 <Nothing\> rust_collector: but yeah i'm definitely gonna look into the education route
05:57:17 <Ampera> rust_collector, we're using jail to mean prison
05:57:17 <Nothing\> my lawyer knew a bit about the place i might be going to, he said it's basically like a dorm type set up with 30 guys in a dorm
05:57:17 <Ampera> Well if you can get it on the weekends, then I'd say that's honestly kinda nice
05:57:17 <Nothing\> so it doesn't sound like i'd have much privacy
05:57:17 <Ampera> so long as you don't have an issue getting fucked and raped, and even if they let you bring in a book or two
05:57:34 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
05:57:34 <Nothing\> Ampera: yeah that's what i thought too, my only problem is it'll draw it out more than i'd like it to be
05:57:34 <Ampera> So?
05:57:41 <Ampera> Treat it as a way to learn, even if it's just reading
05:57:43 <Ampera> or writing
05:57:46 <Ampera> or making art
05:58:03 <Ampera> if you have a load of free time, and have the chance to bring in small bits of creative tools, then I'd say it's not that big of a deal
05:58:47 <Nothing\> that's the plan
05:58:56 <Nothing\> learn what i can, even if it's social skills
05:59:07 <Nothing\> though ime the people in jail aren't the type i'd prefer to socialize with
05:59:13 <Nothing\> it's very much like a high school type setting
05:59:24 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
05:59:35 <Ampera> Social interactions are basically a fancy science.
05:59:55 <Nothing\> yeah, well i could use some boning up on social interactions anyways as i have no real social life
06:00:00 <Ampera> In the sort of, find the biggest, toughest guy in the room sense, you want to befriend people who are simultaneously easy to befriend, but also beneficial to befriend.
06:00:38 <Nothing\> yeah i figure maybe i could use my knowledge of electronics and math to sorta spark the interest of some people and teach them stuff if they become interested
06:01:01 <Nothing\> or help people out in education programs who might be struggling
06:01:03 <Ampera> Don't push it.
06:01:09 <Nothing\> no no of course not
06:01:13 <Ampera> Prioritize trivialities over geeking out
06:01:23 <Ampera> particularly since people will want to teach /you/ stuff if you do that
06:01:24 <Nothing\> oh that
06:01:39 <Nothing\> well yeah, i just meant if anyone's curious and willing to learn
06:02:11 <Nothing\> like my last drug dealer before i got out of the scene was into electronics, so i was always teaching him stuff about it
06:02:18 <Ampera> lol
06:02:51 <Nothing\> it's funny actually, now that i think about it, drug dealers have been some of the nicest people i've ever known
06:03:04 <Nothing\> so long as you stay on their good side, of course
06:03:13 <Ampera> Well of course, you're making them money
06:03:36 <Nothing\> eh not all of them are nice for the sake of making money
06:03:36 <rust_collector> most of them are people, some of the time
06:03:43 <Ampera> All social interactions are is a big set of unwritten rules. If you put effort into understanding them, then you can gain from it.
06:03:48 <Nothing\> some of them just want you to leave as soon as you buy
06:04:28 <Nothing\> Ampera: yeah that sorta thing seems to run in my family from my dad's side, we're the sort of people who know how to tell people what they want to hear and make them feel what we want them to feel
06:04:38 <Nothing\> hence my dad was into furniture sales
06:04:41 <Nothing\> as was his dad
06:05:16 <Nothing\> i suspect it's the result of being addicts, since you have to learn to be manipulative to be a successful addict, if such a thing exists
06:05:44 <Nothing\> you need to manipulate people into seeing you as the sort of person you want them to see you as, rather than as you truly are
06:05:59 <Ampera> oh god do I know what you're talking about
06:06:09 <Ampera> having multiple faces sucks
06:06:10 <Nothing\> yeah it probably goes beyond addiction
06:06:16 <Nothing\> ah tell me about it
06:06:26 <Nothing\> i do it so much i don't even realize when i'm doing it anymore
06:06:29 <Ampera> it goes into the realm of mental problems, particularly my gender bullshit
06:06:46 <Ampera> not the, I'm a man and a woman or something like that, but there's thing I wish I can express and do that I can't to certain people
06:06:55 <Nothing\> ah yeah with me and my anxiety problems it's always trying to hide what torment i'm in and pretend like everything's just fine
06:06:57 <Ampera> part of social interactions is having pools of friends you are completely and totally different to.
06:07:13 <Nothing\> wearing a mask of normality when in reality i'm being torn asunder inside by inner demons
06:07:21 <Ampera> I've been in some pretty tough patches myself recently, and I've found nobody likes it when I talk about it
06:07:26 <Ampera> so I kinda have to suffer in my own dark silence
06:07:46 <Nothing\> that too, being a sort of social chameleon where you act the same as whatever group of people you're with at the time
06:08:14 <Ampera> They say be yourself, but trying to be myself, and being unable to be myself are the two most painful things in the world.
06:08:19 <Nothing\> well man, you know i'm always here to listen if you need to get that stuff off your chest
06:08:24 <Ampera> aye
06:08:33 <Ampera> I think it's mostly stress from school right now
06:08:38 <Ampera> thankfully I am dropping right the fuck out
06:08:38 <EEVBlog> T3sl4! A friend for you to play with! His name is, Ampera!
06:08:48 <Ampera> these payloads
06:08:49 <Ampera> my god man
06:08:49 <T3sl4> thefuck
06:08:52 <Nothing\> yeah that whole be yourself crap just causes problems
06:08:58 <Nothing\> T3sl4: indeed, what was that about? lol
06:09:09 * T3sl4 slaps Ampera with the love of a thousand suns
06:09:16 <Ampera> I believe I have that set to something like 1 in 1000 chance every time someone says fuck
06:09:33 <Ampera> along with some other words
06:09:34 <T3sl4> so that was a 1/30000 chance
06:09:36 <Ampera> EEVBot is quirky
06:09:36 <Nothing\> oh, you're in charge of EEVBlog bot Ampera ?
06:09:42 <Ampera> EEVBlog about
06:09:42 <EEVBlog> EEVBot, programmed by Ampera. Version 2
06:09:51 <Ampera> EEVBlog Debug and Version
06:09:52 <EEVBlog> EEVBot Version 2, uptime: 143391 seconds.
06:10:02 <Nothing\> what is he anyways? an eggy?
06:10:08 <Ampera> my own creation
06:10:13 <Nothing\> right on
06:10:30 <Nothing\> btw congrats on your promotion in here, i'm not sure when that happened but i noticed you were an op the other day
06:10:39 <Ampera> I've been an op since the channel started
06:10:43 <Ampera> me and Halcyon founded it
06:10:44 <Nothing\> oh, really?
06:10:50 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o Ampera
06:10:52 <Nothing\> i must have missed that
06:10:56 <Nothing\> now i just feel silly lol
06:11:01 <Ampera> that's why I was plugging it in afternet
06:11:11 <Nothing\> ah i see
06:11:19 <Nothing\> yeah i wish more people would come in here, more active people
06:11:32 <Ampera> We actually have some pretty nice regulars here
06:11:35 <Nothing\> it always seems to be dead more often than not when i come in here
06:11:56 <Nothing\> oh yeah for sure, but it seems like there are only maybe a dozen or so regulars, at least that i've seen
06:11:59 <Ampera> Well that's just the nature of IRC
06:12:11 <Nothing\> i always come on in the morning or early afternoon though so maybe it's different in the evening and at night
06:12:33 <Ampera> we used to have IRC stats
06:12:41 <Ampera> I need to, at some point, create my own stats system
06:12:42 <Nothing\> i always loved IRC stats
06:12:48 <Ampera> my only issue is I suck at web dev
06:13:01 <Ampera> so I might just make the simplest text based readout on my website as possible
06:13:12 <Ampera> and program a log parser in C/C++ or Java or something
06:13:33 <Nothing\> i still need to find a good c++ ide for raspbian, i was using codeblocks which i absolutely love, but for some reason it would randomly crash without warning and i'd end up losing tons of work constantly
06:13:47 <Nothing\> i've tried a few other IDEs but they just weren't as good
06:13:48 <Ampera> I myself use a disintegrated development environment
06:14:00 <Nothing\> on windows i used dev bloodshed
06:14:03 <Nothing\> or codeblocks
06:14:15 <Ampera> I just use a text editor, compiler, and gdb
06:14:21 <K> i've come to like jetbrains products
06:14:33 <K> intellij for java, phpstorm for php and clion for c/c++
06:14:34 <Ampera> if I need an IDE I use netbeans
06:14:36 <Nothing\> Ampera: I've thought about doing that myself
06:14:44 <Nothing\> maybe it's something i should look into
06:14:50 <Ampera> It's good because it's a lot more fluid than an IDE
06:14:55 <Ampera> but you also need to know what you're doing more than an IDE
06:14:59 <Ampera> which has benefits and detriments
06:14:59 <Nothing\> what text editor do you use? anything special like with line numbering and such?
06:15:21 <Ampera> I flip flop between emacs and nano
06:15:26 <Nothing\> i think the text editor i use now is scite
06:15:32 <Nothing\> i never took the time to learn emacs
06:15:36 <Nothing\> but i feel like i should
06:15:36 <Ampera> neither did I
06:15:39 <Ampera> I just use the graphical version
06:15:43 <Nothing\> ah
06:16:09 <Ampera> One day I wish to finish my text editor, which has things like full cursor support in terminal
06:16:11 <Nothing\> the only coding i really do these days is in this 8051 simulator i like to play with
06:16:28 <Nothing\> it supports c or c++ but i only ever just use assembly
06:16:30 <T3sl4> i'm poking at an LED controller atm
06:16:43 <T3sl4> https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/QuadController1.jpg
06:16:55 <K> oh dear lord
06:17:06 <Nothing\> that's a hell of a controller
06:17:08 <Nothing\> what's it do?
06:17:18 <rust_collector> blinks a led
06:17:29 * Ampera flashes rust_collector
06:17:31 <Nothing\> lol that's what i imagined when he said led controller
06:17:49 <T3sl4> 4 channels up to 80V 1A
06:17:52 <rust_collector> he put an arduino under that transformer
06:18:00 <T3sl4> though they seem to be getting rather hot above 50W so let's call it more like 1/2A
06:18:21 <T3sl4> rust_collector: arduino isn't on XMEGA i don't think
06:18:47 <T3sl4> i mean, i'm sure it's ported, or there are newer AVRs of similar design, but i don't think the usual boards use this one
06:18:47 <Nothing\> one of these days i'd like to rig up an LED matrix controller without an arduino
06:18:47 <K> everything is arduino if you squint hard enough
06:18:50 <rust_collector> but you can glue an xmega on an arduino, right?
06:19:03 <T3sl4> i can glue my pubes to your face, rust_collector
06:19:09 <Nothing\> K: i know, it feels so sacreligious
06:19:11 <rust_collector> interesting
06:19:11 <T3sl4> K: this is true
06:19:17 <Nothing\> or impure or something, i can't find the right words
06:19:50 <Nothing\> i gave up on arduinos after having so many problems with the IDE that runs on raspbian
06:19:59 <Nothing\> it just won't load libraries properly for the life of it
06:20:18 <T3sl4> i use vanilla GCC, it's fine
06:20:26 <K> Nothing\, did you ever try that platformio thing?
06:20:37 <Nothing\> like i'll include a header filer, it'll open a new tab with the header in it and include the pre-processor statements, right
06:20:46 <Nothing\> then i go to compile and it says it can't find the header file
06:20:52 <Nothing\> well what the hell's open in the other tab then?
06:20:54 <Ampera> Anyways I was working on my DAW, and recently got CDE working
06:20:59 <Ampera> so I think I may go spend some time to configure it
06:21:05 <Ampera> I can bring my tablet so I can continue to IRC
06:21:09 <Nothing\> K: i have not, i'll look into it right now
06:21:28 * Nothing\ looks for his apt-get/cache cheat sheet
06:21:55 <Nothing\> bah think i'll have to just look it up, i can never remember how to use apt
06:21:59 <T3sl4> Nothing\: you have to save the file too? include it in the project? (creating a file usually places it in the project tho) idunno
06:22:20 <Ampera> back
06:22:24 <Ampera> mail's come, let me check it
06:22:31 * T3sl4 checks, is still male
06:23:28 <Nothing\> T3sl4: oh so it's not a standalone program?
06:23:48 <T3sl4> the header i mean
06:24:15 <rust_collector> Nothing\: you don't have to use apt... just use dpkg directly
06:24:59 <Nothing\> frankly this is the first i've ever heard of dpkg
06:25:08 <Ampera> oh that's neat, it was a female postal carrier
06:25:10 <rust_collector> uuh, ok
06:25:11 <Nothing\> i don't use the command line much on this
06:25:12 <Ampera> those aren't too common
06:25:22 <Nothing\> Ampera: you mean a female man
06:25:27 <rust_collector> we have plenty over here
06:25:39 <rust_collector> of both, lol
06:25:44 <Ampera> female mailman
06:25:51 <Nothing\> female carrier
06:25:58 <T3sl4> a feman
06:25:59 * Ampera throws Nothing\
06:26:10 * Ampera throws T3sl4 at the corner where he threw Nothing\
06:26:10 * Nothing\ bounces abundantly
06:26:27 <Nothing\> ah man, i've been playing diablo 3 a lot lately
06:26:58 <Nothing\> i got it on my switch, so i finally have the fully upgraded version, where before i had it on my PS3 and apparently they stopped updating it years ago so it was missing a ton of content
06:27:13 <Nothing\> which seems to be increasingly the norm for ps3 games unfortunately
06:27:13 <T3sl4> Ampera: https://i.imgur.com/duGKduF.jpg
06:27:39 <Nothing\> it pisses me off when i get a game and put hours into it only to find it's missing a ton of content because they don't update it anymore
06:28:24 <Nothing\> i had that problem with terraria, too so i got it on my switch but for some reason the controls on the switch version are so crippled i wound up being killed by a low level enemy right off the bat because i couldn't aim my weapon down properly
06:28:56 <Nothing\> the aiming cursor just snaps to the cardinal directions so there's no way to aim in between diagonal and down
06:29:19 <Nothing\> it's so dumb, i mean the ps3 controls were perfect, why'd they have to change it?
06:29:35 <Halcyon> Morning all
06:29:42 <Nothing\> that's one thing i can't stand, is when developers try to fix things that work perfect and end up making them worse in the process
06:29:47 * T3sl4 scritches Halcyon
06:29:48 <Nothing\> heya Halcyon how's it going?
06:30:02 * Halcyon rubs eyes
06:30:12 <Halcyon> Alright, need coffee
06:30:15 <Ampera> Hi Halcyon
06:30:20 <Halcyon> Heya
06:30:41 <Nothing\> i don't drink coffee anymore, i used to drink half a pot to a pot of coffee a day, but i've since completely removed all caffeine from my diet
06:31:35 <Nothing\> with my anxiety disorder i figure i'm restless and highstrung enough as it is, so i don't need caffeine to make matters worse, and it really has worked wonderfully to at least mitigate my anxiety issues
06:31:45 <Halcyon> Yeh fair enough
06:31:52 <Halcyon> Probably a good reason to stop
06:31:54 <rust_collector> https://imgur.com/a/VT93lGo
06:31:56 <Halcyon> I only have 1-2 per day
06:32:26 <Ampera> I take caffeine pills
06:32:27 <Nothing\> yeah with how ubiquitous caffeine is in society, it's easy to lose sight of just what a strong effect it can have on one's mind and body
06:32:35 <rust_collector> 2 pots of coffee is about right
06:32:43 <Halcyon> Heh
06:33:03 <Ampera> coffee makes me horrifically nauseous
06:33:05 <Nothing\> i was reading about this energy drink, 10 hour energy, apparently it has 400mg of caffeine in it
06:33:06 <Ampera> I think it may be the bitters
06:33:09 <Halcyon> Nothing\, agree. I'm a morning coffee drinker. It gives me the kick up the butt I need in the morning to get going
06:33:18 <Halcyon> But rarely will I drink caffeine after midday
06:33:30 <Ampera> I take it if I want/need to
06:33:58 <Nothing\> Halcyon: i need something like that for midday, right around 4-6pm i start getting so exhausted that i have to go down for a nap for a couple of hourse,it'd be nice if i could avoid that
06:34:20 <Halcyon> What time do you normally wake up of a morning Nothing\ ?
06:34:28 <Nothing\> it sucks cuz i'll get up at 12-1pm, then by 4 i'm tired and need to go back to sleep and i don't end up being functional until about 7 or 8pm
06:35:59 <Nothing\> i suspect it's cuz i'm a night owl and am usually wide awake and most functional at night, usually after 8-10pm, and end up staying up until 4 or 5am
06:36:30 <Nothing\> even if i get to bed around midnight or 1am i still get exhausted a few hours after i wake up
06:36:41 <Halcyon> As long as you get a decent rest, is your bedroom dark enough during the day?
06:36:56 <Nothing\> oh yeah i've got my windows blocked out with towels i tacked over them
06:37:06 <Nothing\> an old trick i learned from my brother growing up
06:37:16 <Halcyon> Light and sound bother me the most
06:37:20 <rust_collector> well, good night people
06:37:21 <Nothing\> same
06:37:26 <Nothing\> i have to sleep wearing earplugs
06:37:28 <T3sl4> o/
06:37:28 <Halcyon> Cya rust_collector
06:37:33 <Nothing\> rust_collector: goodnight man, have a good one
06:37:39 <Halcyon> I probably should go too, need to go to work
06:37:42 <Halcyon> Later all
06:37:50 <Nothing\> but yeah, earplugs have been the best sleep aid i've ever come across
06:37:58 <Nothing\> i can sleep through damn near anything with them
06:38:07 <Halcyon> Smoke alarms? ;-)
06:38:08 <Nothing\> see ya later Halcyon, take care, man
06:38:09 <rust_collector> Starting work at 3.30 or so is not great
06:38:15 <Nothing\> Halcyon: in some cases, yeah
06:38:23 <Halcyon> Heh probably not good
06:38:38 <Nothing\> actually even when my house was raided by police, i didn't wake up until they were right in my room, shining the flashlight on me
06:38:54 <Nothing\> which i tell you, is a right shitty thing to wake up to
06:39:47 <Nothing\> the whole thing was like a kidnapping, going from being sound asleep in my warm comfy bed to being thrown in the back of a cruiser within no more than 5 minutes
06:40:50 <Nothing\> ah well i'm just grateful i'll never have to deal with anything like that ever again
06:41:10 <Nothing\> and as bad as it all was, it led to me improving myself and becominga much better person
06:44:15 <Nothing\> that's the key to coming to terms with shitty things like that, you've gotta find the bright side to it and cling onto it for dear life, else it all just consumes you and at least in my case, i end up in a downward spiral of self destructive behavior
06:44:37 <Nothing\> whereas looking on the bright side, you can turn it around into something you can use to improve yourself
06:49:40 <Nothing\> gah why do i feel so shaky
06:50:25 <Nothing\> not anxiety, i don't think it's my blood sugar, though i haven't checked it today it's been high more often than not, where it doens't make me shake unless it's low
06:50:38 <Nothing\> prolly should check it though to be sure
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06:52:51 <Nothing\> yeah, sugar's 10.5mmol/l so that's almost twice normal so that wouldn't do it
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06:53:30 <Nothing\> i was thinking i should take all of my readings from my glucometer and enter them into a database so i can do various maths and statistics stuff with it
06:54:20 <Nothing\> i've been wanting to learn more about stats but i could never think of any sort of dataset to try it out with, seems this would be idealf or that purpose
06:55:58 <Ampera> CDE is really neat
06:59:00 <Ampera> Nothing\, https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413130732458868739/654411638006612016/2019-12-11-145713_1280x1024_scrot.png
06:59:02 <Ampera> check that out
06:59:51 <Nothing\> oh neat
06:59:55 <Nothing\> what is that?
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07:02:33 <Ampera> Nothing\, CDE
07:02:55 <Ampera> It was the de-facto standard graphical enviroment for most Unix workstations for decades
07:03:00 <Ampera> still is on some systems
07:03:14 <Nothing\> https://i.imgur.com/1FGqSxkr.jpg
07:03:20 <Nothing\> i think you might dig this
07:03:53 <Nothing\> ah nice, i was gonna say it's a nice looking gui
07:03:59 <Ampera> Voodoo 3?
07:04:17 <Nothing\> banshee
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07:04:47 <Nothing\> was out of the computer my brother gave me as a wedding present, which goes to show just how long ago i got married lol
07:04:49 <Ampera> I was close
07:05:21 <Nothing\> i remember trying to play half life 2 on it getting <10fps lol
07:05:43 <Nothing\> 256mb ram, and a 900mhz amd thunderbird
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07:19:45 <Nothing\> ah man i love desmos, i've learned so much about graphing functions since i started playing around with this, among other areas of math
07:20:19 <Nothing\> and i got this 3d graphing app on my mom's phone which is even more cool, but somewhat over my head at times
07:20:59 <Nothing\> i only just figured out polar graphs, but 3d graphs are just so much more complex
07:21:42 <Nothing\> i can't help but wonder what famous scientists like euler and gauss could have accomplished if they had such tools at their disposal
07:24:12 <Nothing\> i can't imagine how, for example fourier came up with fourier analysis using just a pen and paper to to his maths with, i'd like to think he had assistance who did the more menial calculations for him
07:24:20 <Ampera> fuck are computers getting faster
07:24:30 <Ampera> 200 dollar ryzen CPU passmarks almost double what I pull off right now
07:25:14 <Nothing\> really? i thought they were starting to slow down a la moore's law coming close to its end
07:25:48 <Ampera> no the slowing down was Intel having no competition, and no need to improve their hardware
07:25:54 <Ampera> and AMD, well, picking their 300W nmoses
07:25:57 <Ampera> *noses
07:26:04 <Nothing\> and like, it seems these days when you buy a computer, it takes much longer before it becomes obsolete
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07:26:40 <Nothing\> where back in the day you'd need to buy a new computer every year or two just to keep up with the trends, nowadays it seems a computer can comfortably last a person several years before running into similar problems
07:26:44 <Ampera> Well my 4790k is by no means /slow/, but it's falling behind
07:26:48 <Nothing\> but i'm just generalizing
07:26:53 <Nothing\> right
07:27:01 <Ampera> when I have an income I intend to put money into a 3950X
07:27:12 <Nothing\> i've been considering buying a computer lately
07:27:28 <Ampera> AMD is currently beating the shit out of Intel
07:27:36 <Nothing\> even though my bail conditions forbid it, i figure i can buy one for my mom as a christmas present to make up for her laptop being seized
07:27:37 <Ampera> it's 939 days level of holy shit
07:27:49 <Ampera> aw
07:29:29 <Nothing\> yeah it really sucks not having a computer, i miss being able to play all of those great educational type games like kerbal space program, or algodoo, or being able to run my IDE of choice, or being able to run SPICE or run circuitsim at a decent speed
07:29:31 <coppice_> Ampera: I'm not sure the slow down erally was a lack of competition this time, even though it usually is. Intel really can't seem to get their act together on process... rather like the days when they couldn't get CMOS to work, and had to get a working process from AMD
07:29:42 <Nothing\> i feel like i'm missing out on so much educational material
07:30:18 <Nothing\> not to mention i'm paying an arm and a leg for games on my switch which i could easily get for free on a pc
07:30:55 <Nothing\> though i find when i actually pay for a game rather than pirate it, i tend to put a lot more time and effort into playing it
07:31:50 <Nothing\> on my old computer i had literally hundreds of PC games i'd pirated but i hardly ever played any of them and it just got to the point where i was more collecting them rather than getting them for the sake of playing any of them
07:33:20 <Nothing\> hey i was thinking, i haven't got a proprer function generator, so i was wondering how feasible it would be to take a function generator app on a phone and output the signal through an audio cable with the wires exposed and connected into whatever circuit i wanted it to go into
07:34:14 <Nothing\> i tried fiddling with this a bit, trying to measure a waveform but it seems the phone won't output to audio if the circuit's open, so i had to put a dummy load on it just to get it to do anytnhing
07:35:22 <Nothing\> i should try this again now that i have a proper scope
07:36:05 <Nothing\> except i can never rememeber which cable is ground and which are the two for the stereo channels
07:37:38 <Nothing\> nera as i can tell, the tip and first ring are the audio channels and the last ring is ground, and i guess i could use continuity testin to figure out which wire oes to which one
07:38:03 <Ampera> coppice_, that too, but also it comes to the fact that Intel basically can't get 14nm chips out the door fast enough while people bang down their door for 10nm
07:48:58 <Nothing\> anywho i'm gonna head out
07:49:10 <Nothing\> was nice talking with you Ampera, as always
07:49:19 <Nothing\> take care of yourself, man
07:49:21 <Ampera> aye
07:49:22 <Ampera> same
07:49:23 <Ampera> ciao
07:49:23 <Nothing\> <3
07:49:27 <Ampera> :)
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19:43:08 <Halcyon> Evening all
19:43:30 <Halcyon> hsn: We have a couple of guys here who might be able to help, but not sure if they are about. coppice_ and T3sl4
19:44:12 <hsn> evening halcyon
19:49:26 <steve30> hi Halcyon
20:03:00 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
20:03:57 <steve30> I put my blanket on my bed yesterday. Now I'm extra cosy at night :).
20:04:45 <Halcyon> Aw nice
20:04:53 <Halcyon> It's become rainy here over the last 24 hours
20:04:56 <steve30> I just need to have a wander out to deliver some Christmas cards.
20:04:58 <Halcyon> It's 16 degrees outside at the moment
20:05:13 <steve30> Warmer than here.
20:09:53 <damian> 15'C here!
20:10:03 <Halcyon> Hey damian
20:10:44 <damian> howsit
20:10:53 <Halcyon> Not long home
20:11:03 <Halcyon> How's the house hunting going?
20:12:15 <Halcyon> Hey steve30: I finally found something worth watching in YouTube recommended list: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfT9ysdO6vc
20:12:24 <Halcyon> Usually it's clickbait garbage
20:22:02 <damian> yeah not too bad. one of the houses going up for auction this weekend has been scrapped from the list though, unfortunately
20:22:53 <damian> we were pretty excited because the property sits on about 500sqm but only 300sqm is being used - it looked like it was just built without it in mind and no one had ever utilised the rest. turns out that there's a giant sewerage pipeline running under the not-used portion of the property and it can't be built on
20:22:55 <damian> so that's a bit crappy
20:23:28 <Halcyon> Ahh
20:23:41 <Halcyon> I had that on my property, it ran under where my deck was being built
20:24:02 <Halcyon> The solution was to simply expand the deck so the piers were on the other side of the pipe
20:37:42 <steve30> ooh, gymnasts
20:37:43 <steve30> :p
20:37:46 <Halcyon> :P
20:39:16 <steve30> me want
20:40:33 <Halcyon> Some of them are so fast
20:42:01 <Halcyon> Well ALL of them are. No way I can do that. I'm not that bendy
20:42:54 <damian> yeah, the first property we're going for over the weekend has the same thing, but it's against the back fence line, so we can't build closer than 1m from the back fence
20:43:15 <damian> but we want to put a deck there, so we'll have to figure out how to put a deck in and make it portable through that 1m section
20:43:42 <steve30> That australian guy is cute
20:43:43 <damian> with the other one, that entire part would have been used for a shed or carport/garage, so useless not being able to build
20:44:02 <Halcyon> Steve: I don't think I'd kick any of them out of bed
20:46:36 <damian> fags
20:46:46 <Halcyon> :P
20:47:18 <steve30> That's all my Christmas cards done now
20:47:34 <damian> how?
20:47:40 <damian> you don't know my address
20:48:24 <steve30> If I don't know your address, you aren't getting one
20:49:12 <damian> well you never asked :(
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21:02:04 <steve30> We normally get a Christmas card from Australia (from Dorothy), but she died a few months ago, aged 99. Guess we won't get any from Australia this year, unless Brenda sends one.
21:05:07 <Halcyon> Awww poor Dot
21:10:15 * steve30 meows at Halcyon
21:10:37 <Halcyon> :)
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22:20:05 * Ampera sneezes at Halcyon
22:29:30 <K> hello
22:35:38 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
22:55:33 <Ampera> Hi Halcyon
22:55:35 <steve30> I just started series 2 of Vicious
22:55:36 <Ampera> still there?
22:55:40 <Halcyon> Yup
22:55:44 <Ampera> yeeee
22:55:46 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
22:55:50 <Halcyon> Steve: Thoughts?
22:55:51 <Ampera> today is my last day of school
22:55:53 <Halcyon> Aww :)
22:55:55 <Halcyon> YAY!
22:55:59 * Halcyon cuddles Ampera
22:56:09 <Ampera> I also had 2 hours of sleep last night
22:56:10 <steve30> Thoughts? Umm, well, they're a bit gay.
22:56:20 <Halcyon> That's the point Steve :P
22:56:22 <Ampera> fuck getting up at 6 only 2 days out of the week
22:56:39 <Halcyon> But also not inaccurate
22:57:16 <Halcyon> I think one of my favourite episodes is "Clubbing"
22:58:44 <steve30> Just got a card through with a Hobart postmark.
22:58:46 * Ampera clubs Halcyon's seal
22:59:26 <Halcyon> Who do you know in Hobart?
22:59:40 <Ampera> full day today too, I don't get out until +11 hours
23:00:10 <Ampera> but after that I simply need to prepare myself for each final, one of which I no longer have to take as a final and can do at home, and then I'm done
23:00:44 <Ampera> Halcyon, how is my handwriting? https://amperaa.net/cdn/img20191212_00282426.pdf
23:01:21 <Halcyon> More or less similar to when you wrote me a letter (albeit, the right way around this time)
23:01:53 <steve30> Brenda, Dorothy's daughter.
23:01:54 <Ampera> Did I script your letter?
23:01:57 <Ampera> I didn't
23:02:10 <Halcyon> No not quite, but the style is similar
23:02:12 <steve30> Well, Dorothy moved to Hobart for her last couple of years.
23:02:19 <Halcyon> Ah
23:02:24 <Halcyon> Hobart is lovely
23:02:25 <Ampera> I disagree, I find my script to be far cleaner and nicer than my print.
23:02:36 <Halcyon> I find your print easier to read
23:02:56 <Ampera> can you read cursive?
23:03:14 <Halcyon> Usually yes
23:03:22 <steve30> Ampera, I typed my Christmas card envelopes out on my Brother CM2000
23:03:29 <Ampera> Word processor?
23:04:16 <steve30> Its a well featured typewriter and extremely primitive word processor.
23:04:21 <Ampera> ah
23:04:27 <Ampera> I looked up a picture of one
23:05:08 <steve30> TBH its word processor is pretty useless with a 2 line display. Its also very sloooow. But its a very well featured typewriter.
23:06:05 <Ampera> I'd love a selectric
23:06:09 <Ampera> selectric terminal too
23:06:17 <Halcyon> I'd love to meet Ampera
23:06:28 <K> i have a green ibm electric typewriter
23:06:33 <Halcyon> Green?
23:06:43 <Halcyon> Sounds ugly
23:06:44 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/353686162738642945/654523976860827704/IMG_20191211_222231.jpg
23:06:51 <Ampera> Meet me, feggit
23:06:55 <K> well, body is greenish, like military-mat-green
23:06:58 <Halcyon> I've seen you
23:07:01 <Ampera> K, Selectric?
23:07:07 <Halcyon> (Also, I really like your new hair)
23:07:08 <Ampera> Halcyon, yeah but now I look like a power lesbian
23:07:20 <steve30> hehe
23:07:28 <Ampera> Not a big fan of it tbh
23:07:32 <Ampera> but whatever, it's just hair
23:07:57 <K> dunno, might be
23:08:12 <Ampera> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Selectric_typewriter#/media/File:Selectric_II.jpg
23:08:14 <Ampera> this?
23:08:52 <Ampera> Halcyon, you can come to the US any time
23:09:05 <Ampera> If you do after I turn 18 we can go shooting
23:09:09 <Halcyon> Time off plus funds are lacking currently
23:09:13 <Ampera> maybe pop up to Canada for drinking
23:09:29 <K> somethging like this - https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1950s-IBM-Electric-Typewriter-Model-11-B-Green-Gray-Working-1957/254446608646
23:09:33 <Ampera> aye
23:09:48 <Ampera> unfortunately I wouldn't be able to offer you a place to stay like you me.
23:09:48 <Halcyon> Nice K
23:09:57 <Halcyon> *nod*
23:09:58 <K> problem is it needs 110V
23:10:24 <K> not that i have used it in like 5 years
23:10:26 <Ampera> I'd give you some, K, but we only have 120V
23:11:36 <Halcyon> Near enough
23:11:49 * Ampera shocks Halcyon with 100 REN of 90VAC @ 20Hz
23:11:50 * steve30 curls up on Halcyon's lap
23:11:51 <Halcyon> We have a nominal 230v but 230/240v whatever
23:12:13 <Halcyon> Steve, I actually need to pee :P
23:12:21 * Halcyon plops Steve onto the floor
23:12:36 * Ampera sits on steve30's lap before steve30 can sit on his lap
23:12:41 <Ampera> ultimate reversal
23:12:51 * steve30 paws at Ampera
23:12:58 <Halcyon> You just want to be the ultimate bottom Ampera
23:13:13 <Ampera> Halcyon, ultimate bottom means removing my arms, legs, and potentially eyes
23:13:20 <Ampera> so no
23:14:41 <Ampera> Despite how old and slow some of my gear might be, it's amazing how much of my home computing environment I'm able to take portably.
23:14:41 <Halcyon> That's not what I meant
23:14:51 <Ampera> Halcyon, then say what you mean or mean what you say.
23:15:07 <Halcyon> It was a dick-in-arse reference
23:15:18 <Halcyon> Hence "bottom"
23:15:43 <Ampera> you're fucking anal, Halcyon
23:15:44 <Ampera> my god
23:15:50 <Halcyon> Hah
23:15:52 <Ampera> there's more than just one hol
23:15:53 <Ampera> e
23:16:02 <Halcyon> True
23:16:31 <Ampera> https://i.redd.it/g86por5mv6441.jpg
23:16:50 <Halcyon> I wish I could paint
23:16:52 <Ampera> what I meant to say by that is I wish to eat coque
23:17:06 <Halcyon> Hah
23:17:33 <Halcyon> I will make you Coq au vin when/if you visit
23:17:46 <Halcyon> All the Coq you can eat
23:17:52 <Ampera> in the police state of Australia, will I have any choice?
23:18:15 <Halcyon> You have a choice between beef, chicken, lamb, kangaroo or KFC
23:18:17 <Halcyon> ;-)
23:18:36 <K> no sheep?
23:18:42 <Halcyon> lamb = sheep
23:19:11 <Ampera> I could walk to a KFC from here
23:19:17 <Ampera> but otherwise lamb or roo sound nice
23:19:23 <steve30> What's kangaroo like? Never one it.
23:19:29 <Ampera> nothing beats pork, though, you filthy jew
23:19:35 <Halcyon> Ampera has had roo
23:19:46 <Ampera> steve30, I can only speak to it in jerky form, it tastes like the tough compressed tar off a pig's ass
23:19:52 <Ampera> but otherwise is pretty good
23:19:52 <Halcyon> Kangraroo is very lean meat, very high in protein, but can be tough if overcooked.
23:20:10 <Ampera> It made my parents chunder when they had some
23:20:21 <Halcyon> If you don't like your meat medium rare, you probably won't like Kangaroo
23:20:22 <K> whatsa "chunder"
23:20:31 <Ampera> Halcyon, I wouldn't cook my meat if I could
23:20:44 <Halcyon> You could always have it blue Ampera?
23:20:46 * Ampera chunders all over K
23:20:50 <Ampera> blue?
23:21:15 <K> oh no
23:21:16 <Halcyon> We call "extra rare" Blue
23:21:31 <Ampera> we call it rare
23:21:33 <Ampera> or raw
23:21:35 <Halcyon> As in, literally touching the grill on both sides, nothing more
23:21:43 <Ampera> yeet
23:21:49 <Ampera> I'd eat that, if it didn't kill me
23:21:54 <Halcyon> https://www.macbeths.com/recipes-guides/cooking-guides/steak-cooking-guide/
23:22:08 <Halcyon> You can order it Blue in restaurants
23:22:09 <Ampera> I'd imagine you'd have to have nicer, freher cuts
23:22:14 <Halcyon> It's not going to kill you
23:22:15 <Ampera> freshur
23:22:20 <Ampera> are you going to kill me?
23:22:45 <Halcyon> Are you going to give me a reason to?
23:23:00 <steve30> I like my meat cooked
23:23:09 <Ampera> you shouldn't need one besides to end the misfortunes of god's worst mistake since the elvis sandwich
23:23:10 <Halcyon> I'm a medium rate to medium person
23:23:16 <Halcyon> No more than medium
23:23:42 <Ampera> I'll eat it as undercooked as I can without dying
23:23:53 <Ampera> smoked salmon is the shit, as a result
23:24:01 <Halcyon> Agreed
23:24:15 <Halcyon> When you eventually come, we will break out the smoker
23:24:26 <Halcyon> I would love to nibble on your meat Ampera
23:24:27 <Ampera> hot smoked salmon is also alright
23:24:40 <Ampera> Earliest I could come would be early 2021 by my projections.
23:24:46 <Halcyon> All good
23:24:46 <Ampera> so potentially in about a year.
23:24:51 <steve30> smoked salmon is nice
23:24:52 <Halcyon> It will go quick
23:25:13 <Halcyon> Depending on how much you save, I would love to go on a mini holiday with you to Tasmania
23:25:31 <Ampera> the fuck is in Tasmania
23:25:37 <Halcyon> Tasty foods
23:25:38 <Ampera> besides inbreds and mini satan
23:25:48 <Halcyon> And gorgeous places
23:26:06 <Ampera> gorgeous is an opinion not a fact
23:26:12 <Halcyon> Indeed
23:26:16 <Ampera> I find the city of Essen beautiful
23:26:24 <Halcyon> Alternatively, we can go to Melbourne, but it's just another Sydney
23:26:27 <Ampera> because it's a dark, grey, coal mining and industrial town in Germany.
23:26:33 <Halcyon> Although they have a nice retro gaming bar there
23:26:53 <Ampera> me and enhanox over in afternet were talking about beer a day or so ago
23:27:08 <Halcyon> Do you like beer?
23:27:10 <Ampera> I was saying how I found the casual attitude to beer held by Europeans to be quite strange.
23:27:13 <Ampera> I've never had it in my life.
23:27:25 <Ampera> it smells like piss and vomit to me
23:27:27 <Halcyon> Have you had an alcoholic beverage?
23:27:36 <Ampera> depends on how you define beverage
23:27:38 <Halcyon> Yeh well... tastes like it too :P
23:27:44 <Ampera> I've consumed alcohol, but not as in I had a drink proper
23:27:49 <Ampera> small tastings and etc
23:27:53 <Halcyon> Well, wine, vodka etc.. ?
23:28:04 <steve30> I'm pondering going to bed soon. I'm getting a bit sleepy.
23:28:08 <Ampera> wines mostly
23:28:14 <Ampera> I usually have a taste of the wine we make at home
23:28:17 <Halcyon> I am a wine person
23:28:38 <Ampera> we were also talking about how odd it is that women tend to drink wine over beer as a general rule
23:28:47 <Ampera> ya bitch
23:30:01 <steve30> I wouldn't mind taking one of those gymnasts to bed with me :p.
23:30:08 <Halcyon> Heheh :)
23:30:19 <Ampera> Alcohol, particularly since prohibition, has had a much much different essence about it than what would be in European nations
23:30:20 <Halcyon> Go sort yourself out Steve :P
23:30:38 <Ampera> makes me think of last night
23:30:41 <Halcyon> ?
23:30:47 <Ampera> I've been having trouble sleeping the past days in general
23:31:03 <Ampera> but I'm coming to the horrific conclusion that I may not be able to repress my dysphoria
23:31:13 <Halcyon> How so?
23:31:38 <Ampera> It's in my mind every hour of every night
23:31:49 <Ampera> it's an unending pain, deep in my body
23:31:58 <Halcyon> *hugs*
23:32:02 <Ampera> the sort of anguish one would have when someone close dies, proper.
23:32:04 <Halcyon> I wish I could do more
23:32:10 <Ampera> eh
23:32:16 <Ampera> I wish I could shut up about it
23:32:20 <Ampera> all I do is annoy people with it
23:32:23 <Halcyon> You don't have to
23:32:26 <Halcyon> No you don't
23:32:41 <Ampera> lol
23:32:58 <Halcyon> Well OK, some people might get annoyed, but are they worth knowing?
23:33:01 <Ampera> The issue is there's nothing good I could otherwise do about it
23:33:47 <Ampera> all I can do is lay in bed at night yearning and suffering
23:34:32 <Halcyon> I don't mean to cut our chat short, but I should go to bed
23:34:37 <Halcyon> Up at 0620
23:34:41 <Ampera> alright
23:34:44 <Ampera> good night
23:34:55 <Halcyon> You too friend
23:35:34 <Ampera> I wish
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23:46:07 <rust_collector> I wish I could stay in bed until 6.20
23:47:10 <Ampera> ^
23:47:48 <rust_collector> at 6.20 this morning, I was pretty much done at work.
23:49:26 <Ampera> I was up since 6, but I went to sleep at around 4
23:53:05 <rust_collector> hmm, mom called. my grandma died on monday, and we have the funeral on next friday. She asked if I wanted to help carry the box. I am not sure if that has any kind of meaning or not? I would think my uncles would do that...
23:53:28 <K> do you have enough uncles?
23:53:51 <rust_collector> eeh, dunno? how many do you need?
23:54:07 <rust_collector> I have 4
23:55:11 <Ampera> I hate funerals
23:55:17 <K> 4 should be enough
23:55:29 <Ampera> I will insist upon my death to put the absolute minimum cost time and effort into disposing of me as possible
23:55:47 <coppice_> Ampera: you think that are bad? think how the guy in the furnace feel
23:55:51 <K> "chuck me into the sea and be done with it"
23:56:07 <Ampera> coppice_, could i have that again in English?
23:56:19 <rust_collector> maybe go in the arab way... BOOM!
23:56:24 <coppice_> K with or without checking you're dead?
23:56:35 <rust_collector> he will be soon enough
23:56:48 <coppice_> Ampera: you think they are bad? think how the guy in the furnace feels
23:56:51 <Ampera> whose to say I was ever really alive?
23:57:03 <Ampera> coppice_, lol
23:58:27 <rust_collector> oh well, I carry boxed all day every day, so that is ok
23:59:24 <coppice_> Ampera: birth and death certificates might be a clue. you can trust those people. they are doctors. :)
23:59:47 <Ampera> coppice_, I don't trust anyone with a medical degree
23:59:55 <coppice_> good policy
23:59:57 <Ampera> unless it's in chainsaw surgery, because those guys are fucking legends
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