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32:54 <Guest|90796> Is 5G dangerous?.
33:28 <President_Trump> hopefully they will have a cure for cancer by then, problem solved
34:44 <Guest|90796> someone said it can take your eye out from 50 yards
37:20 <Guest|90796> and apparently 5G can go through walls....what you think about that Mr Trump?
37:51 <President_Trump> doesnt 3g?
38:35 <Guest|90796> Yes it does in my experience.
40:26 <Guest|90796> Is it dangerous though? mobile phone signals were supposed to be the same then 2 and 3 and 4 G people worried. Now 5G and they dont know what to do with themselves. wheres the evidence?
41:22 <President_Trump> yeah
41:29 <steve30> what frequency does it use?
41:30 <President_Trump> theres been no increases in brain cancers
42:32 <Guest|90796> 6MHz to 6GHz according to a quick search
43:56 <President_Trump> oh well not much u can do about it
45:24 <Guest|90796> I could learn about it!
45:28 <DHess_US> No 5G through walls for you! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_5G_NR_networks
46:06 <DHess_US> The only low frequency allocation on that list is T-Mobile in the US at 600MHz.
46:56 <President_Trump> telstra gunna give u about 5gb for $80?
47:31 <Guest|90796> Rip off
47:38 <DHess_US> 5G supports beam forming which should help supress multipath giving better performance through walls although really it is about going around walls by taking advantage of reflections.
49:42 <Guest|90796> Why cant they just leave things alone 4G is plenty fast enough.
50:00 <Guest|90796> have to keep doing things until they fuck it up
50:49 <President_Trump> so people can get their vr porn faster
50:51 <DHess_US> 5GB for $80 ... so 16 kilobits/second or about half the speed of a V.34 modem. No thanks.
51:12 <President_Trump> i dunno if thats the price i made it up
52:01 <DHess_US> https://www.fool.com/investing/2019/02/19/sprint-sues-att-5g-network-label-smartphones.aspx
52:38 <President_Trump> lol
52:40 <President_Trump> thats pathetic
52:55 <President_Trump> maybe thats what telstra 5g will be
53:31 <DHess_US> What is pathetic is that AT&T is getting away with lying and false advertising with the FCC and FTC doing nothing.
58:01 <Guest|90796> Ivanka...Do you vanka?
00:22 <President_Trump> yeh ibang ivanka
00:46 <Guest|90796> I dont blame you !
01:28 <Guest|90796> Now I've successfully brought the tone down, I'm off.
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48:17 <DHess_US> Ok, I have met my quota of using the term "cascode" today.
53:06 <Ampera> You just used it, so I presume your quota is one?
53:41 <Ampera> what even
53:51 <Ampera> who the fuck are these people
54:14 <Ampera> I swear that's the same guy that came and asked if 5G is dangerous not too long ago
55:51 <DHess_US> Ampera, actually I'm one over quota now.
01:11 <K> that's a paddlin'
01:56 <coppice> 5G is dangerous. It would make a lot of people black out
17:20 <coppice> DHess_US: I think 5G only supports beam forming on the extremely high frequency channels that won't go through walls at all
17:53 <DHess_US> coppice, that is a limitation of antenna array size.
18:14 <DHess_US> A portable can't use beam steering because its apeture is too small.
18:30 <coppice> of course.
18:53 <coppice> the high frequency stuff is still at the experimental stage
22:14 <DHess_US> Can't be. AT&T has it deployed now. They said so.l
28:27 <coppice> AT&T is supposed to be deploying at 39GHz right now, which is fairly high frequency, but I don't think that uses beam forming
33:10 <DHess_US> Beam forming is useful down into the VHF range because it can reduce multipath fading but at such low frequencies, the space requirements for an antenna array become prohibitive.
03:44 <Ampera> https://prnt.sc/morl42
03:53 <Ampera> I've been writing my own terminal based text editor
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18:50 <WebChatUser> I own a Hakko FX-888D soldering station and use the default tip (Shape-B (No.T18-B)), are there any other tips you think are worth picking up?
19:40 <Ampera> Not sure what shape tip that is, but some people swear by chisel shaped tips
19:58 <Ampera> then some people have simple conical tips, besides that I'm not a good authority
20:30 <WebChatUser> Actually maybe I am wrong about my tip, I can't tell for sure
32:26 <WebChatUser> nevermind I have the T18-D16, for sure
32:36 <WebChatUser> chisel tip
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05:27 <jackbrown> anyone has a suggestion for a liquid flux 1 Lt max 2 lt I can buy ?
18:52 <jackbrown> what do you guys think about these refillable flux pens ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tl5sspQ_dM
50:24 <DHess_US> jackbrown, downloading that video now but YouTube is borked and it will take half an hour.
59:31 <jackbrown> ok
02:41 <DHess_US> My internet is like 10% but youtube is only sending 40kB/s
02:46 * DHess_US shrugs.
04:27 <jackbrown> DHess_US: where do you live?
10:21 <DHess_US> About 30 minutes west of St. Louis, Missouri.
11:02 <DHess_US> My experience with any sort of pen or needle flux dispenser is that the flux plugs it up. I prefer paste or a bottle and brush.
53:07 <DHess_US> jackbrown, they look inexpensive. Buy some and test them out. My experience is that flux pens like that never apply enough so I prefer a brush.
05:23 <DHess_US> They are building a Telsa showroom down the street from me.
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34:29 <Yaakov`> My Kester flux pens are quite effective but not refillable.
35:01 <Yaakov`> I suppose I could make them refillable quite easily. I'll try it when I need to...
28:43 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RT @GregDavill: Where do you put the part number if the topside is all glass? The underside of course! Just fit the part numbers between…
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48:39 <Halcyon> Afternoon all
48:52 * Halcyon licks Ampera and T3sl4 
49:01 * Ampera kicks Halcyon 
49:05 <Halcyon> :)
53:24 <Halcyon> I need to someone work out how to map a network share to a drive/folder in Windows 2003, without using Samba
53:41 <Halcyon> Since my NAS box only supports SMB3, Win2k3 is SMBv1
55:09 <DHess_US> It doesn't support NFS?
55:24 <Ampera> that's a stupid question DHess_US
55:41 <Ampera> Halcyon, Why do you need Windows 2003?
55:49 <DHess_US> I'm going to have to use NFS on mine to talk to Windows 10 eventually.
55:58 <Ampera> why not SFTP
56:15 <DHess_US> Because my NAS doesn't have it.
56:37 <Ampera> you can't reconfigure your NAS to run something custom?
57:02 <DHess_US> I don't think so. It's an NOS Netgear thing someone gave me.
57:10 <Ampera> or modify whatever it's running (which is probably Linux), to run OpenSSH
57:34 <DHess_US> If I want to continue using it, I will have to standardize on NFS.
57:48 <Ampera> big rip
58:12 <Ampera> I took one look at the page of how to set up an NFS share on Windows and never looked at anything relating to it ever again
58:25 <DHess_US> It works well enough. I'd replace it with standard hardware running BSD if I had something suitable.
58:50 <Ampera> I don't have a NAS, but if I found myself in the position of needing one I'd make my own.
58:58 <DHess_US> See, that's the trick. Continuing to use SMB1 on later Windows is bad also.
59:20 <Ampera> I've found SFTP to be on a level of magnitude better than anything else.
59:28 <Ampera> why not just tunnel the connection using a VPS?
59:32 <Ampera> *VPN
59:52 <Ampera> I mean I think the better question is why is anyone still using Server 2003
00:17 <DHess_US> Because it supports things that anything after XP does not.
00:27 <Ampera> Like what
01:45 <Ampera> Also if your NAS can't do SFTP, why not mount the SMB share onto something that can and just share the share?
02:02 <Ampera> Might be a hack, but it's also better than the clus terfuck that is NFS
02:20 <Halcyon> Ampera: It's for an old LTO2 tape streamer
02:31 <Ampera> no Linux support?
02:40 <Ampera> Linux tends to have incredible old device support
02:40 <Halcyon> Uses a SCSI interface and I cant put the interface card in a modern machine
02:45 <DHess_US> Like Microsoft keeps removing backwards application compatability. But I was actually thinking of the IColumnProvider API which is gone never to return because Microsoft are assholes.
02:49 <Ampera> Linux is even better with that.
02:58 <Halcyon> I tried a few versions of Linux and they were very flakey on this hardware for some reason
03:06 <Ampera> BSD?
03:15 <Halcyon> I didn't try BSD
03:15 <Ampera> and why not put the controller and drive into other hardware?
03:23 <Halcyon> Because it's a PCI card
03:29 <Ampera> and why not put the controller and drive into other hardware?
03:41 <Halcyon> Because PCI cards don't fit into PCIex slots
03:50 <Ampera> I don't own a desktop PC besides my 486 that does not have PCI
03:52 <Halcyon> Square peg, round hole
04:06 <DHess_US> Lots of modern hardware still includes PCI but Windows depricated driver support for a *lot* of old SCSI controllers.
04:12 <Ampera> Linux/BSD
04:18 <Halcyon> This is running an Intel board with a Dual core CPU
04:23 <Halcyon> It's *fairly* modern
04:40 <Ampera> I've often found FreeBSD will work on stuff Linux doesn't like to, but it's also alot with how you set it up.
04:51 <Ampera> A lot of Linux distros simply come with so much crap that breaks when you try to use it.
05:10 <Ampera> which is why I like Arch Linux, it doesn't have any of that, and is less likely to break on flakey systems
05:25 <Halcyon> I tried Lubuntu and Fedora, both didn't work so great. Plus the amount of decent tape backup software is fairly limited
05:48 <DHess_US> If I was going to add another machine in the middle to share the NAS, then I would just build a replacement NAS which is what is going to happen eventually.
05:53 <Halcyon> Anyway, I have Windows 2003 running nicely
06:02 <Ampera> Unix and likes have been using tapes before MS-DOS was a thing.
06:03 <Halcyon> It's just I need to work out this protocol business.
06:09 <Halcyon> I'm thinking maying NFS is the way to go
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06:26 <Ampera> All I have to say is good luck, and you won't find much better security with it either
06:41 <Halcyon> Security isn't of concern since it's just on my internal LAN
06:49 <Halcyon> It will only be switched on when I'm running backups
07:03 <Ampera> why don't you use SFTP or FTP?
07:17 <Ampera> or heck, HTTP if you just need to use it a little bit
07:29 <Ampera> and don't need to return files
07:36 <Ampera> or sneakernet
09:32 <Halcyon> Sneakernet would involve creating a copy (a backup if you like) then making a second backup of that to tape
09:36 <Halcyon> It's a waste of time
09:56 <Ampera> that was my final last ditch suggestion
10:06 <Halcyon> I tried FTP, the problem is, you have to copy the files to the local machine first before backing up, essentially double-handling again
10:07 <Ampera> what about SFTP/FTP? Windows 2003 even has an FTP client built in
10:20 <Ampera> then use SFTP, which has random access
10:32 <Halcyon> It's not supported by FreeNAS as far as I know
10:34 <Ampera> I'd imagine there's still a modern client available for Windows 2003.
10:43 <Halcyon> I was going to try NFS today
10:48 <Ampera> Then make a SMB -> SFTP relay
10:55 <Halcyon> Since there is a built-in client/server in Windows
11:08 <Ampera> have you seen how complicated it is to set that shit up?
11:20 <Ampera> maybe it was a while ago, but last time I looked into it, it made Samba look easy
12:32 <Halcyon> SMB is easy compared to NFS
12:34 <Halcyon> Even today
12:57 <Ampera> That's my point.
13:28 <Halcyon> I would love to use SMB, it's just not an option unfortunately. Unless there is some kind of third party SMBv3 driver/application I can download
14:31 <Ampera> I mean if it's just within your network you could always run a small Linux VM to translate modern SMB into older SMB, but then you might as well use SFTP
14:55 <Ampera> or maybe just use Linux Samba for SMBv1, if it's within the local network and nobody's prying at it, it should be fine
15:44 <Halcyon> I'll have a think about it
16:14 <Ampera> In other news I have been denied employment.
16:19 <Halcyon> Oh?
16:52 <Ampera> Since I am not able to sign a legally binding NDA, I have been denied employment at the company I would have done QA at.
17:04 <Halcyon> Why can't you sign an NDA?
17:13 <Ampera> I can sign one, but it won't be legally binding.
17:18 <Halcyon> Because?
17:23 <Ampera> Too young.
17:29 <Halcyon> What a load of shit
17:52 <Ampera> There are no options.
18:06 <Halcyon> What about when you turn 18?
18:19 <Ampera> Well that's fine, but that's almost a year away.
18:31 <Halcyon> And they won't have that position then?
19:19 <Ampera> No way to tell, but I'd like to have a job before then.
19:30 <Halcyon> :(
20:38 <Ampera> I have one more connection, but it's not a terribly promising one.
22:18 <Halcyon> You can only try I suppose
29:04 <Ampera> PETA got mad ratio'd on Twitter today for being a dick about Steve Irwin
29:21 <Ampera> 465 likes, 1.6k RTs, 13,000 replies
35:12 <Ampera> Halcyon, https://i.redd.it/2rj5jvc8f6i21.jpg
16:46 <DHess_US> PETA is very sexist. They like to throw paint on women wearing fur but I won't take them seriously until they throw paint on men at a biker bar wearing leather.
17:53 <Ampera> http://prntscr.com/moxkrp
18:14 <Ampera> Chromium's auto translate decided that English was a forreign language.
18:21 <Ampera> it kindly translated it into English for me.
21:31 <DHess_US> Seems fair. How many different English languages are there now?
30:43 <Ampera> There are the direct dialects, US, UK, Irish, Scottish, Indian, probably a handful of others.
31:01 <Ampera> There's Scots, which is more of a sub-language than a dialect.
41:35 <DHess_US> I thnk the Scotts secretly practice their own language just to remain unintelligable to everybody else.
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45:02 <Ampera> no there legit is a language called Scots
45:27 <WebChatUser> hi, was here earlier but got disconnected, does anyone own the hakko fx888d and own a variety of tips? I'm trying to get a sense of what's worth getting other than the default T18-D16 tip
49:25 <Ampera> That sort of more specific question might be better answered on the forums.
28:25 <Halcyon> Ampera: Yeh Cockatoos are smart birds
28:32 <Ampera> lol
29:43 <Halcyon> I just had a little nap
36:26 <Ampera> gonna have a question for you, but I'm helping my grandfather with something, hang on
38:05 <Halcyon> OK
38:09 <Ampera> Alright, Halcyon, I'm planning on putting together a server, but I'm gonna have to get things pretty tight, I'm thinking of different strategies, and one that came to mind is those older Xeon boards
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38:19 <Ampera> you know the ones where the CPUs are piss cheap but the boards cost an arm and a leg?
38:42 <Halcyon> Mmmmm, not specifically... but go on...
39:05 <Ampera> I'm just wondering if you've seen those, they are really attractive because those CPUs are pretty powerful but cost practically nothing
39:34 <Halcyon> So you're looking for parts to build a server... how much are you looking to spend all up?
39:45 <Ampera> I'm just wondering if I can get an earlier Xeon or dual xeon board for cheap.
39:59 <Ampera> I'm likely going to do this in stages, and I'm likely going to do this with stuff I already have.
40:11 <Ampera> right now I need a board/CPU combo for probably around 130 bucks
40:22 <Ampera> I have mostly everything else I'd need.
40:39 <Halcyon> I would look at some of the old Supermicro boards. I'm sure you can pick one up cheaply on ebay or Amazon
40:55 <Halcyon> The vast majority of them are Xeon based
40:55 <Ampera> That's the issue, I need to find a cheap board with easy to find cheap CPUs
41:13 <Ampera> I'm gonna get more specific, standby
41:26 <Halcyon> Yes well you'll just have to do your research. I think if you can find the board, that's the hardest bit. CPUs of all sorts are available on ebay
41:58 <Ampera> LGA 1567
42:07 <Ampera> I can get piss cheap high power xeons for that
42:38 <Ampera> http://prntscr.com/moy4kr
44:02 <Halcyon> Alrighty
44:49 <Halcyon> Although I'd be looking at Xeons specifically for single proc. boards as they are going to be much much cheaper
45:22 <Halcyon> Workstation class if you like
45:41 <Halcyon> I would do it the other way around. Find a board first, then start hunting for a CPU to suit.
46:02 <Halcyon> Even if you plan on running multiple VMs, you don't need anything super high spec. It's likely that it will be idling most of the time.
46:47 <Ampera> I will be running no VMs
47:00 <Halcyon> Even easier then
47:21 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Latest video I'm titling RIFA Madness, but I suspect very few people will get it... https://t.co/kZppnHVXG9
47:24 <Halcyon> Look at a workstation or low-end single processor boards
47:58 <Halcyon> *low-end server board
49:36 <DHess_US> Depending on the I/O and memory requirements, you can get an ECC supporting Ryzen CPU and motherboard for $120.
49:54 <Halcyon> Blah, AMD
50:22 <DHess_US> The Intel premium for ECC is hundreds of dollars.
50:35 <Halcyon> Ampera is looking for old models
50:36 <Ampera> DDR4 is stupid expensive and I don't like having parts hanging around I can't use
50:41 <Ampera> and I don't give a shit about ECC
50:41 <Halcyon> He hasn't got the money to spend on new or near-new
50:51 <DHess_US> Back when I built my Phenom 940, the premium was $1000 because only FB-DIMMs were supported.
51:08 <Halcyon> Amps: If you're going to go Xeon, I would use ECC, otherwise half the point of the Xeon will be wasted
51:18 <Halcyon> Also, many Xeon boards will only support ECC
51:25 <DHess_US> So you are building a Xeon server but don't care about ECC? Have fun.
51:47 <Ampera> ECC doesn't do anything for me, I've never had reliability issues without it.
51:56 <Halcyon> If you don't want ECC for whatever reason, just buy an i7 workstation board
52:02 <DHess_US> How would you know without ECC?
52:15 <Ampera> Because I have ECC machines they are some of the most unstable boxes I have.
52:21 <Ampera> not that that proves anything
52:37 <Ampera> but it means nothing unless you're working at a scale and price of data where astronomical fuck ups aren't an option
52:58 <Ampera> This is going to be a personal server so if something fucks up it's not a massive deal.
53:04 <DHess_US> I have my 1GB ECC Celeron 300A sitting here on my desk right now testing a USB Flash drive. All of my ECC machines since work great.
53:38 <Halcyon> I think the point DHess_US is making is that if you're not going to use ECC RAM, don't bother with the Xeon, and I tend to agree.
53:48 <DHess_US> I wonder how old it is. My similar router is 18 years.
53:48 <Halcyon> It's like buying a sports card and then putting E10 fuel in it
53:58 <Halcyon> *car
54:10 <Ampera> The reason why I am bothering with Xeon is because they can often be cheaper than i7 and boards since there tends to be a lot of unwanted stock
54:34 <Halcyon> Price up both options
54:35 <Ampera> i7 in the ballpark I want could be on a level of magnitude more expensive for the same performance
54:39 <Halcyon> But as I said, pick the board first
54:42 <DHess_US> Yea, what I thought. It's a year older than my router so 19 years.
54:58 <Ampera> I am looking at Westmere and Nehalem based systems
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55:14 <DHess_US> Cheap decomissioned server hardware is available on Ebay.
55:43 <DHess_US> Just buy a whole box or two for a spare and refurbish it with new fans and maybe a power supply.
55:52 <Ampera> That's a plan, but I don't want to buy an entire server, because of shipping costs
55:56 <Ampera> I'm burning my money right there
56:18 <Ampera> https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Z400-Workstation-Motherboard-LGA1366-with-Xeon-2-4GHz-and-5GB-Mem-586968-001/382802061554?hash=item5920c7e8f2:g:JM4AAOSwUf9cXEpi:sc:USPSPriority!12304!US!-1:rk:1:pf:0
56:33 <Ampera> This looks like an option, and I'd swap out the CPU with something nicer
56:38 <Ampera> it even comes with RAM and free shipping
57:33 <Halcyon> Those "branded" boards (HP, IBM, Dell) are commonly not standard form factors
57:45 <Halcyon> They might not fit in your case
57:50 <Ampera> Looks standard to me
58:00 <Halcyon> The I/O shield doesn't
58:16 <Ampera> Looks like it is
58:31 <Halcyon> It doesn't to me. But it's difficult to tell from that photos
58:50 <Ampera> Worst case I rip off the I/O shield. The screws are in the right place for ATX, or at least close enough
59:02 <Halcyon> Yes I guess you could do that too
59:03 <Ampera> but I'll put this thing into a milk crate if I have to, that's not a problem
59:12 <Halcyon> My OCD would be triggered though :P
00:01 <Halcyon> But yeh something like that looks fine
00:47 <Ampera> you know what I think I'm gonna buy it
01:13 <Halcyon> :)
01:22 <Ampera> need to deposit some money though, I can do that tomorrow.
21:34 <Halcyon> Gah this NFS sharing thing is horribly insecure
21:35 <Halcyon> I don't like it
21:43 <Halcyon> I'm just going to install Windows 2008
23:15 <Ampera> or you can try my suggestions but nvm
23:34 <Halcyon> I've wasted enough time trying to get Linux running
24:17 <Ampera> there's shit tons of other suggestions I've given but it's your thing
24:20 <Halcyon> Actually I have a copy of Windows Server 2012
24:35 <Ampera> but I thought you needed to use the SCSI controller and modern versions of windows didn't have the drivers
24:50 <Halcyon> I don't think drivers will be my issue
25:06 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
25:07 <Halcyon> I'm limited by the hardware I can physically install the SCSI card and tape drive in
25:26 <Halcyon> Windows 2012 should support the hardware, it's an Adaptec card.
25:26 <Ampera> that's what I don't get how do you not have another machine with a PCI slot in it?
25:38 <Halcyon> I do, but they are even older/slower
25:53 <Ampera> none of your newer machines has PCI of any sort?
25:54 <Ampera> or SCSI
26:05 <Halcyon> Nope
26:22 <Halcyon> Apart from my ESXi server, but that only takes half-height cards and has no space to install the drive
26:23 <Ampera> If I didn't have my 486 I wouldn't own a desktop/rackmount machine without PCI
26:49 <Halcyon> PCI disappeared from modern machines quite a while ago
27:01 <Ampera> I've seen Ryzen boards with PCI
27:12 <Halcyon> You can get some modern boards which have them, but I'm not buying a new machine to run an LTO2 drive
27:15 <Halcyon> It's just a waste of money
27:32 <Ampera> man I wish I was there so I could punch you in the face, hug you, and then help you
27:55 <Ampera> speaking of which I need to finish up that care package, but I'm still trying to think of things to fit into it
27:59 <Ampera> I need to get the box for it though
28:06 <Halcyon> The problem isn't the hardware I have, it's capable. It's just interfacing old versions of Windows with a modern NAS... it no longer supports the old protocol
28:21 <Ampera> BSD, Linux, SFTP
28:33 <Halcyon> As I said, I tried Linux and it didn't work out
28:41 <Ampera> You tried pretty shitty distros tbh
28:49 <Halcyon> SFTP isn't an option either as the NAS doesn't support it (out of the box)
28:59 <Ampera> I told you SMB to SFTP relay
29:09 <Halcyon> But then I need to run up 2 machines just to run a tape drive
29:12 <Halcyon> It's not practical
29:16 <Ampera> stick it on your desktop machine
29:31 <Halcyon> The drive won't fit and my desktop only has PCI express
29:39 <Ampera> I meant the SMB to SFTP relay
30:09 <Halcyon> Yeh I *could* but again, it's not practical. It's another step in a chain that doesn't need to exist and yet another thing to go wrong.
30:11 <Halcyon> Simple = better
30:25 <Ampera> minimal Debian or Arch or FreeBSD
30:33 <Halcyon> I'll just upgrade Windows
30:34 <Ampera> that's as simple as you can possibly get
30:48 <Ampera> if I was there I could do it for you
31:18 <Halcyon> The next problem is getting software to run the tape drive. It needs to firstly support backing up to tape (many free programs don't) and it needs to support encryption.
31:25 <Halcyon> The licence I have is for a Windows program
31:34 <Ampera> I bet you there are Linux/BSD programs for that
31:44 <Ampera> Unix has been doing tape drives since before you were born.
32:01 <Halcyon> There probably are, but in my experience, even on Windows, 50% of them are just shit and most apart from the higher-end ones don't support tape drives.
32:13 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
32:23 <Halcyon> Exactly
33:05 <Ampera> You remind me of my dad.
33:16 <Halcyon> How so?
33:39 <Ampera> He'll have these sort of issues, and then insist on using Windows or something his way just because it's simpler and he doesn't want to get down into the thick of things.
33:57 <Ampera> Then he'll try for a few days, get annoyed, nothing will work, and then he'll end up giving it to me since he can't fix it
34:05 <Halcyon> I tried Linux first. It's not just about getting the OS up and running, that's just part one of the problem.
34:13 <Ampera> that's how I now have two IBM EServers and a PCIe Ultra320 card
34:19 <Halcyon> I looked at Linux software for tape backup and I couldn't find one that did what I want
34:25 <Halcyon> (that was free)
35:13 <Halcyon> You know me, I love Linux, but sometimes sticking with the simplest solutions which are known to work is best.
35:19 <Halcyon> I don't have days and days to stuff around with it.
35:56 <Ampera> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Synchronization_and_backup_programs
36:23 <Ampera> this is why people use hard drives for backups
36:36 <Halcyon> Sure, but I'm not using hard drives
36:38 <Halcyon> I'm using tape
36:47 * Ampera throws a Jaz drive at Halcyon 
37:21 <Halcyon> If I were to use hard drives, I would need to go buy some. Secondly, tape is much more reliable to long term storage than hard disks
39:58 <Halcyon> I totally understand where you are going. Believe me, I would love to implement a more modern solution, but this is what I have to work with for the foreseeable future
40:14 <Halcyon> I have 2x LTO2 drives and 100+ brand new tapes at my disposal
42:41 <Ampera> all I got is a cough that would vibrate your teeth out of your face
44:15 <Halcyon> You still sick?
46:47 <Ampera> It's just a cough now, but yes.
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23:35 <Halcyon> Gah, I forgot Windows Server 2012 is like Windows 8/10
23:36 <Halcyon> *hiss*
23:39 <Halcyon> Fuck that right off
03:13 <Ampera> >uses windows
03:17 <Ampera> >forgets windows is like windows
04:27 <jackbrown> What do you think about using Multimeter Thermocouple to calibrate my soldering iron temperature ?
04:40 <Ampera> What do you mean by calibrate?
05:25 <Ampera> I'd imagine at soldering iron temperatures you'll burn the shit out of most common thermocouples, not sure if they make ones to go as high as that
11:16 <jackbrown> Ampera: I mean to check if the temperature on the display is correct, I was planning to attach my soldering iron tip to my probe thermocouple maybe adding some solder to improve the contact and check if for example 250 °C on the soldering iron display are correct
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02:45 <Halcyon> Ampera: Windows is fine. The Windows 10 UI is not
02:48 <Halcyon> It's garbage
03:09 <Halcyon> And this is a server for fucks sake, yet they still insist on using terms like "apps"
43:16 <T3sl4> morning
44:54 <T3sl4> Ampera: apparently we now have fiber to the apartment
45:00 <T3sl4> available
45:11 <T3sl4> downside, it's AT&T
47:00 <Halcyon> AT&T is bad?
48:32 <T3sl4> although i suppose it's just choosing between about three bad ISPs in this country :/
48:47 <Halcyon> :(
49:06 <Halcyon> At least you have fibre
49:13 <T3sl4> i mean, your ISP is awful, but at least it's national?? idunno
49:25 <Halcyon> The NBN is a network, not the ISP
49:33 <T3sl4> that
49:39 <Halcyon> ISPs just buy bandwidth from the NBN
49:45 <Halcyon> So there is still a difference between ISPs
50:33 <T3sl4> ah
50:52 <Halcyon> Just bargain basement ISPs have a very high contention ratio
51:13 <T3sl4> that sounds either good or bad
51:17 <Halcyon> Where as if you pay a bit more, you get better service and local call centres
51:38 <Halcyon> Well like 1:100 means you're sharing a particular pipe with 100 other users.
52:07 <Halcyon> Some are higher
52:26 <T3sl4> ah, contention not contentment ;)
52:44 <Halcyon> :)
51:34 <steve30> hi
55:31 * T3sl4 gives steve30 a hug-flavored coffee
58:07 <steve30> :)
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00:23 <jackbrown> Hello, this little fan appear to be dead, if I plug my LAB PSU 5V 0.6A on the + and - does nothing. What should I check to try to make it work again? https://ibb.co/CVTwzQL
47:43 <T3sl4> your sanity?
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