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00:00:37 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Some #OpportunityRover hardware porn The radiation hardened PowerPC 750 CPU boards cost $200K each https://t.co/RHJmSCNdDq
00:12:42 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Engineer: "You know that $200K CPU board? We should re-spin that." JPL Management: "Nah, she'll be right, bodge it nice, no worries." https://t.co/FGYgxmwjR0
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01:08:51 <rust_collector> I do not really like planes in general. They are interesting machines, but... nah
01:09:08 <rust_collector> I prefer being on the ground
01:19:39 <K> noone has stayed in the air forever, though
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01:45:03 <hsn93> is it hard to learn FreeRTOS ?
01:46:26 <K> i've briefly poked around it. did not seem very complicated
01:48:20 <hsn93> cool.. did you just quick guide and use it .. or enter to its core and how it works? i used mbed os online compiler before it was very nice
01:51:43 <K> i googled some examples and then used docs and greped source
01:52:29 <K> i had a thing i wanted to do, not to explore for explorations sake
01:56:33 <hsn93> ok, thanks
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02:26:39 <coppice> hsn93: its easy if you've used other RTOSes. It may be a little unfamilar if you've only worked with Windows or Linux
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06:35:07 <Guest|41008> Hello EEVBloggers
06:35:07 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Guest|41008!
06:35:54 <Guest|41008> I've just received a spanking new 121GW! have a question from the latest manual - can anyone help?
06:37:10 <Guest|41008> just checking - anyone here or am I talking just to myself?
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06:38:04 <Ampera> I'm here
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06:38:12 <Ampera> lol
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06:38:27 <Guest|61539> Hi hows it going?
06:38:28 <Ampera> apparently I wasn't good enough :P
06:38:31 <Ampera> fine
06:38:38 <Guest|61539> you were - just came back!
06:38:44 <Ampera> Don't own a 121GW though, but maybe I can help you
06:38:50 <Ampera> or at least pass it on to someone who does know something about it
06:38:53 <Guest|61539> hit the back button on my browseer by mistake :D
06:39:04 <Ampera> that's what real IRC clients are for :P
06:39:48 <Guest|61539> Ah thanks - just checking it out and checking the fuses are ok - and read this on page 59 of the manual:
06:41:01 <Guest|61539> To check whether you need to replace a fuse perform the following steps:
06:41:01 <Guest|61539> 1. Switch to the voltage range and connect a lead as shown in the below
06:41:01 <Guest|61539> diagram.
06:41:01 <Guest|61539> 2. If the multimeter beeps the fuse is functioning, if it fails to beep it
06:41:01 <Guest|61539> indicates that the fuse is blown.
06:41:13 <Guest|61539> but the next paragraph says:
06:41:33 <Guest|61539> If it beeps when connected to the “A” jack, then it is likely that the larger A
06:41:34 <Guest|61539> fuse is blown.
06:41:34 <Guest|61539> If it beeps when connected to the “mA” jack, then it is likely that the smaller
06:41:34 <Guest|61539> mA fuse is blown.
06:42:07 <Ampera> presumably there are seperate fuses for voltage and current settings?
06:42:12 <Guest|61539> So if it doesnt beep the fuse has failed, but then says if it does beep the fuse hase failed?
06:42:30 <Guest|61539> *says if it doesn't
06:43:15 <Ampera> I'd guess there are more than just 2 fuses, and checking the current fuses is different than checking voltage mode ones
06:43:22 <Guest|61539> yes there are 2 fuses. I'm just confused as the first part says a beep is good, then the second part says a beep is bad
06:44:06 <Ampera> the conditions change based off what jack you use then
06:44:23 <Ampera> testing it off the voltage jack and no beep is bad, testing it off the current jacks and a beep is bad
06:44:39 <Ampera> idk if that's true or not, but that's how it seems to be worded
06:45:15 <Guest|61539> ok - thanks. I didn't read it like that - always good to get another opinion - thank you
06:45:23 <Ampera> np
06:45:31 <Ampera> asking on the forum is always another option if you're still unsure
06:47:45 <Guest|61539> Will do - cheers
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06:48:28 <Bluenote> Errr...
06:48:34 <Bluenote> Hm.
06:50:02 <Bluenote> Maybe I missed something here, but...it's a fuse. If it's blown, a continuity check will fail. So...just crack 'er open and run a continuity check across the fuses themselves?
06:50:37 <Ampera> He was referring to specific testing modes the meter can do on itself without having to open the device.
06:52:18 <Bluenote> Yeah, but I'm sayin' you can crack it once and clarify by testing, if nothing else.
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06:52:46 <Bluenote> Pull the fuse, do the test, bam -- there ya go, there's your "blown" reading.
06:53:25 <Ampera> idk most of the time people don't like to take apart their brand new expensive electronics
06:53:45 <Bluenote> But...
06:53:58 <Ampera> yes yes, don't turn it on take it apart
06:56:26 <Bluenote> I just subscribe to the "Have 3+ of every piece of test equipment, buy some standards, and go nuts." school of thought.
06:56:51 <Ampera> sounds expensive
06:57:58 <Bluenote> Sure, but outside of a cataclysm wiping your lab, you're pretty much self-sustaining and don't need to worry about getting bogus results.
06:58:09 <Bluenote> You've got everything you need to test your test equipment.
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08:34:31 <rust_collector> Ampera: !!! your bot is renamed again
08:34:56 <Ampera> what even
08:35:55 <Ampera> I believe what's happening is with these netsplits the ZNC doesn't register that as a connect, since it didn't initiate the connection, and the perform command doesn't occour
08:36:24 <Ampera> which is why I need Auth-on-Connect of some sort, and not this stupid command based password acceptance.
08:39:31 <rust_collector> Can you make it do something like send the password and connect command at some interval, or does that just mess up things?
08:40:39 <Ampera> I mean I could listen for the input from the server complaining it's not authed, but the point is I shouldn't /have/ to do that
09:07:37 <rust_collector> yaay! I fixed an electronic device today! WOOO!
09:08:13 <rust_collector> sadly, it was a cheap chinese usb charger the wife had thrown away
09:08:45 <rust_collector> not even pink
09:17:36 <DHess_US> What did you do to it?
09:18:22 <rust_collector> heh, I popped it open, looked around, and soldered the 10 ohm "fuse" resistor to the pcb
09:18:34 <DHess_US> I fixed my AA/AAA smart charger a couple years ago and my cordless drill chargers a couple years ago by replacing capacitors.
09:20:22 <rust_collector> I think this device looks sort of ok, for a low cost china special. too bad they forgot to solder one side of the 240v to the circuit
09:22:21 <rust_collector> What kind of cordless drills do you prefer? I have tried some very nice ones, but they are just too expensive, for the limited use I have for them
09:23:34 <rust_collector> Right now, I have a...uh, upper consumer grade b&d, which has been pretty good. then mom went and bought herself a super neat makita...
09:25:10 <DHess_US> I have a couple of old Craftsmans which have built in levels.
09:25:40 <DHess_US> I don't consider any cordless drive which lacks levels.
09:26:56 <rust_collector> level... like a spirit level? or torque level?
09:27:18 <DHess_US> Like spirit level
09:27:24 <rust_collector> aah, that is neat
09:28:01 <rust_collector> I don't think I have seen that in... a long time. and it probably was not cordless
09:28:10 <DHess_US> One on the top for horizontal and a circular level on the back for vertical.
09:29:52 <rust_collector> great idea
09:31:23 <DHess_US> Most of the tool companies now are all the same company and have equally poor quality so there is not much to select for besides specific features.
09:31:48 <rust_collector> no no, there are at least 4 of them!
09:32:02 <DHess_US> I think we are down to 2.
09:32:15 <DHess_US> Or at least 2 major ones.
09:33:06 <rust_collector> https://hips.hearstapps.com/pop.h-cdn.co/assets/17/39/1024x676/gallery-1506429411-pressha.jpg?resize=768:*
09:33:21 <rust_collector> yeah. it is not like it used to
09:35:05 <DHess_US> A lot of companies get bought up, their quality is reduced, and profits then come at the expense of their good name.
09:35:42 <DHess_US> Fluke is an excellent example of this. They were saddled with debt after being bought also.
10:02:31 <rust_collector> hmm hmm hmmm. fluke. yes, I should probably find a better meter one of these days. Right now, I might as well just wet 2 fingers and see if I get sparks
10:04:20 <rust_collector> probably not going to be a fluke. just something with a name on it, I guess
10:32:07 <EEVBlog1> New EEVBlog Tweet: Fire alarm. My scam busting video on hold...
10:50:14 <EEVBlog1> New EEVBlog Tweet: Alarm still going, and no fire trucks. Usually they are here within a couple of minutes.
10:58:45 * Halcyon1 stretches
10:59:10 <rust_collector> squeak pop crackle
11:04:51 <Ampera> hi Halcyon1
11:04:55 <Halcyon1> :)
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11:05:03 <Halcyon> I see the NBN dropped out overnight again
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11:05:16 <Ampera> If only you had AoC
11:07:01 <Halcyon> Meh
11:07:19 <Ampera> I'm typing up a list full of what I would do if/when I had/have a server to do things on
11:09:30 <rust_collector> I am 99% sure that if I set up a server here, and set it to be accessible online, my isp would change my ip.... for the first time since we started to use them
11:10:17 <Halcyon> rust_collector: I pay $10 a month to have a static IP :P
11:11:00 <Ampera> I've been tempted to look into asking Verizon for a second IP, or maybe looking into the limitations of using a seperate IPv6 (if they offer it), but there's probably better ways to have two domains redirect to two different servers on the same IP
11:11:05 <rust_collector> yeah, I can do that. but otoh, I think we have had this ip for 10 years or so, and they do not change it just for fun
11:11:21 <Ampera> We use DDNS, so that's not even a concern for us.
11:12:08 <Halcyon> rust_collector: True, a lot of ISPs use "sticky DHCP" so if you've had an IP and drop out, it will re-issue the same one within a certain time.
11:12:25 <rust_collector> that is probably it
11:12:36 <Ampera> My list so far: http://prntscr.com/ml9zpv
11:12:48 <Halcyon> The only other reason I did it was because many IPs here (and probably all around the world) are starting to use carrier grade NAT on IPv4 services. As you know there aren't enough public addresses to go around.
11:13:12 <Halcyon> They won't advertise that fact though. I asked my ISP and they took me out of that CG-NAT pool.
11:13:47 <Ampera> Halcyon, can you spot the interesting thing about that screencap, though?
11:14:34 <Halcyon> I like your idea of FTP
11:14:40 <Halcyon> I've been meaning to set that up for myself
11:14:57 <Halcyon> Currently I just run an OpenVPN tunnel to a select few people who have access to my server via SMB
11:15:23 <Ampera> ehh, I'd like it to not be needed, and for everyone I ever talk to to just know how to connect to a pub/priv (or even password) SFTP server
11:16:00 <Ampera> but I don't want to just stick all my shared files out on the open in even a more secured HTTP instance, just because of the complexity of setting that up among other issues
11:16:10 <Ampera> so something like FTP with TLS is the best compromise
11:16:24 <rust_collector> heh, pico!
11:16:29 <Ampera> Bingo!
11:16:58 <Ampera> I happen to have it because I use Alpine, but it's nowhere near as nice as nano, but I'm using it for this simple thing because why not
11:17:07 <Ampera> neat bit of history
11:17:14 <rust_collector> yeah
11:18:14 <Halcyon> Yeh I think FTP will work well, just enforce strong passwords and of course you wouldn't be having any of your data open to be written to anyway.
11:18:27 <Halcyon> Just have an upload folder where people can temporarily dump stuff
11:18:48 <Halcyon> I do the same on my NAS here. I have a "Common" share which acts as a temporary dumping ground.
11:19:09 <Ampera> No I'd have it open to writing, perhaps with multiple user accounts with different levels of authorization and have it in a jail for security purposes.
11:19:22 <Ampera> I mean eh, maybe not, because if it's important enough to write to me then I can just demand they use SFTP
11:19:27 <Halcyon> But stuff like media should never be written to or changed
11:19:37 <Ampera> ?
11:19:56 <Ampera> not sure what you mean
11:20:01 <Halcyon> This is one thing I like about SMB/NTFS permissions, you can specify a folder where you have read-only access to existing data, but you can write NEW data to it
11:20:15 <Halcyon> It preserves the integrity of your stuff but also allows people to copy new stuff into it
11:20:33 <Ampera> you can do that in Linux/BSD too with things like symlinks, or failing that loop mounts
11:20:56 <Ampera> (not sure if loop mount is the right term, mount a folder in another folder)
11:21:23 <Halcyon> I'm sure there are ways around it, but I'd rather do it at the NAS/file system level.
11:21:43 <Halcyon> Be right back, just need to reboot pfsense.
11:21:44 <Ampera> you could also just split user/group permissions
11:21:48 <Ampera> *owner/group
11:21:52 <Ampera> k
11:22:01 <Halcyon> Yeh that's another way I suppose
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11:22:35 <rust_collector> email, isn't that a lot of work to keep going? (yes, one more thing I have no idea about)
11:22:51 <Ampera> idc, I'll do it anyways
11:23:04 <Ampera> I'll figure it out, I always do
11:23:34 <rust_collector> I am sure you will. I just figured I might as well ask, lol
11:24:01 <Ampera> but yes, email servers are notoriously a pain in the ass to maintain
11:24:29 <Ampera> but I can have things like my own domain along with whatever user I like, and also run my own email bouncer
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11:27:51 <rust_collector> BOOM!
11:27:52 <Ampera> Halcyon, http://prntscr.com/mla2in
11:28:12 <Halcyon> Heh
11:28:26 <Halcyon> I just had to reconfigure some options on the VM and I couldn't do it with it running
11:28:28 <Ampera> isn't like my old router was ever updated.....
11:28:36 <Halcyon> Although my ESXi box needs more RAM
11:28:43 <Ampera> It's not SEXi enough?
11:28:56 <Halcyon> Barely
11:29:05 <Ampera> how much memory does it have
11:29:07 <Halcyon> I have 150MB of RAM free after my VMs have all started
11:29:11 <Halcyon> 16GB in total
11:29:19 <Ampera> how many damn VMs do you have
11:29:32 <Halcyon> Running 4 at the moment
11:29:43 <rust_collector> vista?
11:29:46 <Ampera> lol
11:30:01 <Halcyon> My NAS and Gateway/Router, a Torrenting machine which has access only via a VPN and a Plex Media Server
11:30:12 <Halcyon> The torrent box is a Windows 7 machine
11:30:19 <Ampera> question, do you seed torrents?
11:30:25 <Halcyon> I've only given it 2GB RAM though
11:30:40 <Halcyon> I use a private tracker, so hopefully that answers your question
11:31:14 <Ampera> mhm
11:31:24 <Ampera> isn't it illegal to distribute copyrighted material in Australia?
11:31:31 <Halcyon> Yes, yes it is.
11:31:36 <Ampera> mhm
11:32:02 <Ampera> lol
11:32:10 <Halcyon> :)
11:32:10 <Ampera> what else should a neat ass server do
11:32:17 <Halcyon> Porn and lots of it
11:32:27 <Ampera> I store that local by security mandate
11:32:39 <Ampera> any computer that has a reason to have it has it hidden in plain sight
11:32:43 <Halcyon> Nah I thought about setting up a server to do telemetry like temperature and humidity monitoring
11:33:01 <Ampera> Now that's a neat idea, data tracking of general content for statistical analasys
11:33:35 <Ampera> OOO I HAVE IDEA
11:35:21 <Halcyon> I want to make a terrarium for my bathroom
11:35:30 <Ampera> http://prntscr.com/mla5x3
11:36:17 <Halcyon> Actually yeh that would be cool
11:36:23 * T3sl4 slaps Halcyon gently with the fire from a thousand suns
11:36:34 <Halcyon> I wonder if archive.org has some kind of API you can hook into to request the older version of a page?
11:36:41 <Halcyon> Morning T3sl4 :D
11:36:53 <Ampera> Aye, but I'd want to hand pick what I have instead of just feed from Archive for seamlessness
11:37:03 <Ampera> T3sl4, I'm planning a bomb ass central server, what should it do?
11:37:05 <Halcyon> Sounds like a lot of work
11:37:08 <Ampera> looking for cool things
11:37:16 <Ampera> Halcyon, I need something to fill my too much time
11:37:22 <rust_collector> have fun, I am going to bed
11:37:23 <Halcyon> I told you, porn
11:37:29 <Halcyon> Goodnight rust_collector
11:37:31 <T3sl4> Ampera: it should bring me a shrubbery!
11:37:31 <Ampera> I can't by security mandate.
11:37:40 <Halcyon> Hahaha
11:37:45 <Ampera> no porn >:(
11:37:47 <rust_collector> good night all the people
11:37:56 <Ampera> did you just assume my physical status?
11:38:04 <rust_collector> japanese porn? with the big pixels?
11:38:15 <Halcyon> Everyone loves a big pixel
11:38:20 <rust_collector> yup
11:39:19 <Ampera> I want ideas >:E
11:39:39 <Halcyon> I'll be back later, I need to go up to the hardware store
11:49:00 <Halcyon> Holy shit, and I though Sydney was expensive: https://www.news.com.au/finance/real-estate/renting/tiny-new-york-apartment-goes-viral-thanks-to-crazy-rent/news-story/b43d82c5bf723b2f902e5fe38dfd4fee
11:54:02 <T3sl4> oh yes
12:22:50 <EEVBlog1> New EEVBlog Tweet: My latest debunking video could have been a few minutes long, but that would have been no fun, so I'll take you on a 15min journey.
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13:48:45 <Halcyon> Ampera: The tweets no longer include the URL?
14:39:47 <Ampera> they never did?
14:39:56 <Ampera> if it had a URL that was to an image
14:40:37 <Ampera> the only bug I know of with the bot (besides the name stupidities), is that when the account being monitored retweets something, it will for whatever reason be cut off
14:41:57 <Ampera> ( Halcyon )
15:11:04 <Halcyon> They used to
15:11:45 <Halcyon> For example: EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Engineer: "You know that $200K CPU board? We should re-spin that." JPL Management: "Nah, she'll be right, bodge it nice, no worries." https://t.co/FGYgxmwjR0
15:12:11 * steve30 meows at Halcyon
15:12:15 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
15:16:42 <DHess_US> I wonder if that is $200k including the extras which were not used or failed burn-in.
15:18:10 <Ampera> yes, that's because it had an image on it
15:18:26 <Ampera> any tweet that didn't wouldn't, that's just how links are structured in Twitter
15:18:38 <Halcyon> Right
15:43:06 <EEVBlog1> New EEVBlog Tweet: LOL, quote of the day from managing director of @PayPalAU ! That's not going to come back to haunt her I'm sure... https://t.co/p3etIyZcB0
15:44:11 <steve30> lol
15:44:41 <Halcyon> *rolls eyes*
15:44:56 <Halcyon> I have to deal with inept, out of touch executives at work all the time.
15:46:16 <steve30> i've gone a bit cold
15:52:04 <Halcyon> Put some socks on :)
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21:55:17 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Quit: <Baljem> steve30: by the way, I had the most bizarre dream the other day that someone came in here and seriously flipped their shit over your quit message and why aren't the ops /doing/ something about it
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23:34:03 <EEVBlog1> New EEVBlog Tweet: I have to wonder if Bob Pease did that, he used to work at Philbrick
23:35:04 <EEVBlog1> New EEVBlog Tweet: RT @Keysight_Daniel: Twitter exchange of the year! Paypal -> "It's more important to be efficient than to be right" @eevblog -> hmmm @cen…
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