// #eevblog — 2019-02-03
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03:28:17 <Ampera> someone pick one: 486, P120, PPro, PMMX 233, P3 450, Athlon 64 X2 (with dual 7800GTX 512's)
03:31:07 <steve30> P3 450
03:32:49 <Ampera> >:(
03:37:44 <steve30> you said to pick one...
03:45:43 <Ampera> you had to pick the worst one
03:45:44 <Ampera> lol
03:45:51 <Ampera> i'm joking
03:53:18 <Ampera> steve30, https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/541300909376929792/IMG_20190202_115605.jpg
03:53:31 <Ampera> (just checking to make sure everything is right in there
03:53:57 <Ampera> I seem to be out of diskette drives though :(
04:10:52 <Ampera> Ya know, the thing I like about IDE/PATA and sort of miss with SATA, is how robust IDE connectors are.
04:11:16 <Ampera> you can bang those things around and they'll live, even if you have to bend back a couple pins, but with SATA, knock the connector the wrong way, and your drive is toast
04:11:21 <Ampera> I have at least 2 drives like that
04:24:22 <DHess_US> SATA sucks because it was designed as a backplane connector which requires low insertion force and they did not include positive locking.
04:24:40 <DHess_US> Commercial standards like HDMI have the same problem.
04:25:13 <DHess_US> So yea, SATA is less reliable than IDE/PATA
04:25:14 <Ampera> At least HDMI is a bit of a chunkier connector
04:25:42 <DHess_US> Displayport fixes the HDMI problem which DVI never had.
04:26:19 <Ampera> I /love/ DVI, that connector is indestructable
04:30:03 <coppice_> Ampera: plenty of people with bent pins would disagree
04:30:31 <Ampera> I've bent VGA connectors, but unless you go nuts on it, DVI is really not as sensitive to that
04:31:01 <coppice_> you lack creativity in mating connectors
04:31:20 <Ampera> Alright, can we at least agree that DIN connectors are indestructable?
04:31:47 <coppice_> the big ones are pretty tought. the mini-ones are questionable
04:31:51 <coppice_> tough
04:32:24 <Ampera> if I meant mini-DIN I would have said mini-DIN, but those are fragile like all hell
04:36:28 <coppice_> the DIN speaker connectors are rubbish
04:36:54 <coppice_> DIN 41612 connectors have pin bending issues
04:37:40 <Ampera> jesus fuck, I don't doubt you
04:38:06 <Ampera> I meant the classically refered to standard, DIN 41524
04:38:58 <coppice_> for many people making PCBs for card frames, the classically refered to DIN standard is 41612
04:41:13 * Ampera shrugs
05:03:02 <rust_collector> anderson powerpole connectors are pretty tough. also uses some of the space in modern gaming pc enclosures
05:04:27 <DHess_US> They don't handle off axis force well though.
05:05:22 <DHess_US> I like them for big in-line applications where bending is less of a problem but not so much for bulkhead connectors.
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09:23:14 <mrpackethead> EMC meh. 4 layer boards are just much quicker to design
09:25:19 <T3sl4> it's a shame dave thinks there is any standard that exists that is based on H probing
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09:47:38 <WebChatUser> Just randomly discovered the Altair
09:48:14 <WebChatUser> good to know what those blinking lights and switches were all about (in older movies)
09:55:38 <WebChatUser> apparently nobody here
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11:25:34 <mrpackethead> @T3sl4, what then do you use H probing for
11:26:00 <T3sl4> not radiation testing
11:26:18 <mrpackethead> but Dave is God. How dare you question him
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18:56:03 <Halcyon> Evening all
18:56:08 <Halcyon> eevblog status
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19:13:02 <steve30> morning Halcyon
19:15:06 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
19:16:44 <steve30> I should get on with the cleaning
19:23:31 <Halcyon> What's the rush?
19:32:02 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
19:32:18 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera :)
19:32:46 <Ampera> you dun woke me up
19:34:14 <steve30> The rush is that I've been meaning to do it all week and I keep treading on bits of dirt :)
19:34:58 <Ampera> steve30, I blame you for everything crashing on my Pentium 3, steve30
19:37:28 <hsn93> hello guys
19:38:19 <hsn93> do you guys implement file system for simple eeprom logging ?
19:43:29 <steve30> Maybe that's because my PIII system was always quite crash prone
19:43:44 <steve30> Although it was certainly more reliable with Windows 2000 than 98
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19:45:48 <Ampera> I'm starting to like using floppy diskettes on Linux
19:49:07 <Ampera> Halcyon, What operating system should I put on the 120Mhz Pentium box?
19:49:17 <Halcyon> Hmmmmm
19:49:28 <Halcyon> How much RAM?
19:49:41 <Ampera> can't do OS/2, just because it has bad software support
19:49:49 <Ampera> A minimum of 64MB and a maximum of 64MB
19:49:54 <Halcyon> Windows 98se
19:50:02 <Ampera> Why that?
19:50:12 <Halcyon> It was an awesome OS back in the day
19:50:20 <Ampera> Why not 95C?
19:50:28 <Halcyon> If you want something older, then Windows 95c but 120 MHz is a bit "fast" for that
19:50:41 <Ampera> I run 95C on my 233Mhz MMX
19:50:44 <Halcyon> Actually no, it'll work well, I think I ran it on a 166
19:50:48 <Halcyon> *nod*
19:50:50 <Halcyon> One of those two
19:51:04 <Halcyon> Or if you want to run absolutely nothing, Windows NT 4.0 Workstation :P
19:51:06 <Ampera> 98SE is more of a thing for P2/3 era and beyond
19:51:17 <Ampera> I bet you it has better software support than OS/2
19:51:32 <Halcyon> It did, but it was hit and miss
19:51:41 <Ampera> because I think it actually does have protected mode DOS emulation, which OS/2 certainly does now
19:51:43 <Ampera> *not
19:53:05 <Ampera> I'm currently working on my Pentium 3 450 machine, trying to get Windows 98SE installed and functioning
20:00:31 <Halcyon> I think I went from 98se to XP on my PIII 250
20:00:32 <Halcyon> 450
20:02:02 <hsn93> are you doing these for projects or for fun/education? running old systems on old hardwares?
20:03:39 <Halcyon> hsn93: He is like me, collects old machines for fun
20:04:06 <Ampera> Fun, collecting these machines is a hobby of mine, education, not entirely in the sense of getting an understanding of their function, but as a way to understand the lifestyle and environment people who came before me lived in.
20:05:38 <Ampera> When I was younger, I'd hear and see all about some of these older machines, but never got a chance to work with them, because I was too young. It could also have been indoctrination
20:05:49 <Ampera> my first computer was a Commodore 64
20:08:24 <Halcyon> My first computer was a Sharp MZ-800
20:12:57 <hsn93> well i was born in 1993, i was playing keen and prince of persia, doom games from floppy disks on dos system. dont remember the pc i think it was few Mb ram.. people in my age dont know this experience sadly.
20:13:35 <Ampera> Born in 2002, when I was young I was playing C64, Genesis, and when I was on a PC, flash games.
20:15:08 <hsn93> when people playing siga and ps1 :D
20:15:39 <Ampera> siga?
20:16:29 <hsn93> sega console*
20:16:38 <Ampera> In 2002?
20:16:56 <Ampera> I guess some people were playing Dreamcast in 2002, but not for much longer.
20:18:01 <hsn93> well i played family console. then siga came and people were playing sonic game on it.. then ps1 in 2000s.. but still i was playing with family console with mario game
20:18:23 * Ampera smashes his head into a brick wall
20:18:52 <hsn93> :D
20:18:59 <Ampera> Are you Japanese?
20:19:07 <hsn93> nah middle east.
20:19:19 <Ampera> interesting they call it famicom in the middle east
20:20:30 <hsn93> at that time we dont know where the name came from, we dont know english we were just calling it "family"
20:20:59 <Ampera> It was the Nintendo Entertainment System in the US, I actually have one.
20:21:07 <Ampera> The ones we had looked like a toaster
20:22:40 <hsn93> well, i think i was imagining the games in full hd..
20:39:33 <Ampera> man I love fountain pens
20:41:10 <steve30> which reminds me, i need to refill mine
20:41:38 <Ampera> get a cartridge pen, they're awesome
20:42:21 <steve30> mine takes cartridges, but i prefer the refillable cartridge
20:42:53 <Ampera> I just have a pile of cartridges, no mess, no fuss, I can slap a new one in whenever
20:43:25 <steve30> I use it running out as a cue to clean the nib
20:45:08 <Ampera> I pretty much never clean my nib, only if there's a significant problem with it, or I'm changing colours.
20:47:26 <steve30> I like a clean nib
20:48:03 <Ampera> I like food
20:49:29 <steve30> mmm, food
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22:31:37 * Halcyon cleans steve30's nib
22:31:46 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
22:34:06 <Halcyon> Hi again
22:34:12 <Ampera> I am hungry
22:35:51 <ibiza> hi hungry
22:35:55 <ibiza> i'm ibiza, nice to meet u
22:35:56 <Ampera> I'm dad
22:35:59 <Ampera> :P
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