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00:00:24 <Agripa> If I am understanding what you bought, most master/slave surge protectors will have that problem. Try adding a small resistive load to the slave output like a doorbell transformer.
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02:01:35 <Danol> Hmm I don't have a doorbell transformer. Any alternatives?
02:08:28 <Agripa> danold, 120 volts or 240 volts?
02:08:39 <Danol> 230
02:08:46 <Agripa> It needs some kind of load which is *not* a switching power supply.
02:09:07 <Agripa> So like a transformer wall wart.
02:09:19 <Agripa> A small night light could work.
02:09:33 <Danol> That would also consume power when the slaves would be turned on though, right,
02:10:45 <Agripa> or like a 22k 5 watt resistor
02:11:00 <Agripa> No, when it is turned off, it only absorbs the leakage current.
02:11:06 <Agripa> But it would draw power when turned on.
02:11:44 <Danol> Yeah
02:12:04 <Danol> so it could also use a mechanism to turn itself off when the protector is off :
02:12:52 <Danol> Hmm
02:12:59 <Danol> I could connect an old phone charger to it guess
02:13:04 <Danol> I guess*
02:13:10 <Agripa> That might work.
02:13:37 <Agripa> Usually this problem shows up with LED or CFL lamps hooked up as slave device.
02:13:50 <Agripa> It was never a problem with incendescent lights or linear power supplies.
02:13:53 <Danol> Does it damage the devices in any way?
02:14:13 <Agripa> It shouldn't if they were designed correctly.
02:14:38 <Agripa> I've built master/slave outlet strips before and I used a relay instead which didn't have the leakage problem.
02:14:56 <Danol> Funny thing
02:15:08 <Agripa> So master drove the triac which drove the relay which controlled the slave output.
02:15:11 <Danol> before I was using this surge protector, I was using a simple extension cord with a foot switch
02:15:26 <Danol> It sounded like there was relay in it (you could hear the clicking)
02:15:37 <Danol> And it was doing the same thing
02:16:15 <Agripa> I'm not sure how to make a TRIAC based switch without the leakage current problem.
02:16:39 <Agripa> Maybe put a high inductance across the output?
02:17:19 <Agripa> Or a negative resistance device of some sort would work.
02:17:49 <Agripa> It's actually an old problem going back decades with phase control light dimmers.
02:18:17 <Agripa> They work fine with incandescent lamps but the leakage can cause some loads to do weird things.
02:26:23 <jackbrown> Agripa if I have 1.58MOhm---- 2V Red led, how many Volts and Amperes I have to apply to deliver 2V to the LED ?
02:28:01 <Agripa> 7500 volts
02:28:15 <Agripa> 7500 volts for 5 millamps
02:28:53 <jackbrown> mhhhhhh
02:29:15 <Agripa> 47k would be more typical for running an LED off of the power line.
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02:32:01 <jackbrown> There's something wrong , maybe I counting the diodes resistante too it's too much
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02:41:05 <Agripa> I'm not sure what you are doing but if trying to run an LED off of the power line, be careful about the reverse voltage. Put a another diode in series or parallel with it to block the reverse voltage or put two LEDs in anti-parallel.
02:41:30 <Agripa> Reverse breakdown on an LED is like 5 volts.
02:44:00 <jackbrown> Agripa: I bought this board on aliexpress and I soldered it, it has many reistor and 4 diodes before the LED, https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SMT-SMD-Component-Welding-Practice-Board-Soldering-DIY-Kit-Resitor-Diode-Transistor-By-start-Learning-Electronic/32805241595.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.15.62ab700076DPlJ&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_2_10065_10068_319_317_10696_10084_453_10083_454_10618_10304_10307_10820_10821_537_10302_536_10902_10
02:44:00 <jackbrown> 843_10059_10884_10887_321_322_10103,searchweb201603_70,ppcSwitch_0&algo_expid=902aff1b-e3e0-43eb-a835-f947fe492d3c-2&algo_pvid=902aff1b-e3e0-43eb-a835-f947fe492d3c
02:44:07 <jackbrown> Agripa: sorry
02:44:39 <jackbrown> Agripa: correct link https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SMT-SMD-Component-Welding-Practice-Board-Soldering-DIY-Kit-Resitor-Diode-Transistor-By-start-Learning-Electronic/32805241595.html
02:45:06 <jackbrown> I measured all the resistors and all the diodes before the LED and I got the 1.58MOhm value
02:58:12 <Agripa> That is a board for practicing soldering
02:58:37 <jackbrown> Agripa: yes but I think that something is wrong with this SMD practice board, they put too much resistance before the diodes and the LED ( I know it's burnt, I burned ) https://i.ibb.co/jfn4Q5Y/IMG-20190209-165848.jpg
02:59:01 <jackbrown> Agripa: the sum of all resistance it's 1.48MOhm
02:59:08 <jackbrown> Agripa: is that possible ?
02:59:14 <Agripa> It isn't meant to be a circuit
02:59:48 <jackbrown> Agripa: it is, it's meant to be a circuit
03:00:17 <Agripa> Those resistors are 120k each so 9 in series adds up to 1.08M
03:00:28 <jackbrown> Agripa: there are all those resistor then 4 diode then the led, the poin is that another guy from this video did the same SMD board and it has someting around 13KOhm
03:00:42 <jackbrown> Agripa: ok it matches my measurements
03:01:00 <Agripa> Since it is a practice board, they may just use whatever cheap parts they can find in the correct package size.
03:02:04 <jackbrown> Agripa: yes I agree but theoretically, how many volts I should put on the beginning of the circuit to light up the LED ?
03:02:34 <jackbrown> Agripa: I have 20 9100 + 20 39C + 10 1203 resistors
03:03:08 <jackbrown> it's 9 * 1203 resistor
03:04:11 <Agripa> I couldn't read the values of the other resistors. But 1.58M at 5mA is 7900 volts
03:04:34 <Agripa> That circuit obviously isn't suppose to work.
03:10:24 <jackbrown> Agripa: the guy from the video had 1.3KOhm , same practice board but really different reistors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9-r2dGcQg0
03:10:45 <jackbrown> Agripa: the value are as I wrote 20 * 9100 + 20 * 39C
03:10:50 <jackbrown> + 9 * 1203
04:28:11 <Agripa> For practice boards they just use whatever parts are available cheap.
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06:53:02 <AustUser> oh, looks like it's early morning in aus, I guess Dave & David aren't up/awake yet? didn't see anything on the twitters either
06:53:22 <Ampera> Yeah, but it's gnif/geoff who ususally manages the site
06:53:44 <AustUser> he in a different timezone?
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06:54:27 <AustUser> oh well, it doesn't matter, I'll just check back later :)
06:54:38 <Ampera> eevblog time
06:54:38 <EEVBlog> Ah shoot, Doc! We've ended up at 06:58 Sydney time.
06:54:43 <Ampera> that's dave's time
06:54:52 <Ampera> I think gnif is in Australia too
06:55:06 <AustUser> was wondering about gnif/geoff
06:55:21 <AustUser> probably an aussie as well, but I don't know
06:55:24 <Bluenote> This is why I advocate for UTC being the norm.
06:55:38 <Bluenote> Gonna end up having to do it anyway, eventually.
06:55:41 <AustUser> in iso8601 form?
06:56:04 <AustUser> because you'd still need the capability to refer to past documented dates
06:56:18 <Ampera> Bluenote, while that might be good for professional use, I'm sure there wouldn't be too many people happy about waking up bright and early 6PM UTC
06:56:30 <Ampera> or 12 midnight, 3AM, etc.
06:56:33 <Ampera> across the world
06:56:34 <Bluenote> Yeah, ISO8601 is nice.
06:56:50 <Bluenote> Yeah, but that's something they'll get used to. I mean, people do it already.
06:57:15 <Ampera> I know I wouldn't.
06:57:25 <AustUser> I would
06:57:27 <Bluenote> It's not like the idea of morning starting at 6:00 AM is any more or less arbitrary, it's just well established.
06:57:44 <Ampera> No, morning could start at 6PM, 12PM, 12AM etc.
06:57:53 <AustUser> starting/day/night/sleep times are arbitrary anyway
06:58:10 <Ampera> It's not great for keeping track of how you need to manage your day either, since people work in the morning and go home in the evening
06:58:20 <Ampera> those times would change for every part of the world
06:58:21 <AustUser> that is a good point
06:58:39 <Ampera> We'd still have time zones anyways, since so much works in accordance with day/night
06:58:59 <Bluenote> It would, yes, but it'll be locally consistent. When figuring out what is going on anywhere else in the world, you end up doing the exact same math as now, but there's never any ambiguity when scheduling.
06:59:06 <Ampera> UTC makes sense if you need a unified clock for professional endeavours that aren't affected by the earth's day/night cycle, or need to operate beside it.
06:59:21 <Ampera> Bluenote, there's always going to be ambiguity.
06:59:37 <Ampera> Let's say we need to have a morning telemeeting between two offices one on the west and east coast.
07:00:03 <Bluenote> Sure. Currently, it's "Let's meet at 9:00", which could be one of two values.
07:00:05 <Ampera> If we all used UTC, it would be around 2AM UTC in NY when people ususally go to work (or so)
07:00:10 <Bluenote> Actually, one of four.
07:00:42 <Ampera> however 2AM in California would be what we would call around 4AM PS/DT
07:01:09 <Bluenote> Yeah, but that's easy. Like I said, same math as before: Around when is morning on the west coast? Oh, about 3h after the east coast. Okay, so let's schedule the meeting for 1200.
07:01:14 <rust_collector> I vote for the same time everywhere. it really does not matter
07:01:14 <Ampera> It would just complicate an already complicated sy stem.
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07:01:24 <Bluenote> There's just no ambiguity when someone says "Meeting is at 1200".
07:01:48 <Ampera> When do you tell people to come into work?
07:01:58 <rust_collector> when the work has to be done
07:02:07 <Ampera> That has to change based off location, but what time is good for that?
07:02:18 <Ampera> What's the border between 10UTC is a good time and 9UTC is a good time
07:02:34 <Bluenote> I imagine it'd be scheduled relative to the local light norms, as it is currently.
07:02:47 <Ampera> So how many local light norms dictate what we do?
07:03:02 <Ampera> Lunch, going home, having a cookout, all of those times would be different based off where they are held
07:03:11 <Ampera> only now we have to remember, what is 9UTC in what location
07:03:14 <Bluenote> Sure, and they'd largely be locally consistent.
07:03:32 <Ampera> So local time has an importance?
07:03:53 <rust_collector> not the time itself. it is just a number
07:03:56 <Ampera> It's almost like it might be better to split up the local times based off zone, since it's often more important what happens in our locality than what happens in another
07:03:57 <Ampera> at least to us
07:04:08 <Ampera> Also, if it is so good, why do people not use it already?
07:04:53 <Ampera> I don't know UTC to be used outside of large scale global collaborative projects, nobody uses it for their daily routine unless you work on Mars or something
07:04:57 <Bluenote> That's...really no different than now. You just end up looking at a page that says the rounded time of noon at a given place instead of a page showing time zones, and do math accordingly. We literally already do the same math to convert between areas.
07:05:10 <Bluenote> And as to why it isn't in use, because people don't want to change.
07:05:18 <Bluenote> Same reason the US still uses imperial.
07:05:23 <Ampera> That's a bad analogy.
07:05:45 <Ampera> For one the US doesn't use the imperial system and I will pound the face of anybody who says that into the ground until they can't tell dirt from chocolate cake anymore.
07:06:00 <Ampera> For two, the US is very SI centric, we use it in a plethora of various locations where it would be stupid not to.
07:06:01 <Ampera> It
07:06:12 <Ampera> 's been decades since major institutions even used our customary units.
07:06:38 <Bluenote> You could say the same thing about UTC, but Joe on the Street is using imperial. Hell, even the machining sector is still largely imperial.
07:06:45 <coppice> a huge amount of US engineering is still in imperial units
07:07:09 <Ampera> US Customary units are not universally interchangable with imperial units REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
07:07:16 <Bluenote> Alright, alright.
07:07:28 <Bluenote> I think that just furthers the point I was making though.
07:07:37 <Ampera> if it were, a UK plane telling a US airport to fill up to a gallon number wouldn't be a considerable issue.
07:07:47 <Bluenote> Why aren't we on UTC? Because my car gets 40 rods to the hogshead, and that's the way I likes it!
07:08:03 <Ampera> Is that bad?
07:08:18 <Ampera> I don't want to wake up at 2AM, I want to wake up on a time system that's relevant to my location
07:08:28 <coppice> Ampera: A UK plane would be asking to fill a number of litres
07:08:30 <Ampera> and no matter where I live for lunch to be at noon, for me to go to work at 8, and for me to go to bed at 10
07:08:48 <Bluenote> Why are those values important to you, though?
07:08:51 <Ampera> coppice, it's an illustrative hypothetical, not a real example anymore.
07:08:51 <rust_collector> heh
07:09:13 <Ampera> Because they are how I work as an individual. 12 noon in the day means something to me, and no matter where I live it will mean the same thing
07:09:21 <Ampera> same with any other regular event.
07:09:55 <Ampera> Sure I can change, but I'd have to change with every single time I move to another place.
07:10:02 <rust_collector> I start work at 3.30am on monday. wednesday and friday, I start at 8pm. my timer is broken, so I really do not care
07:11:35 <Ampera> Out of anything, people won't do it because people don't like being told in what manner they should think, especially in the US?
07:11:49 <Bluenote> That's very curious to me, Ampera. I mean, your meal/sleep schedule is ultimately more about time between events rather than time as a numeric value.
07:12:05 <Bluenote> If you move, you're going to adjust that system anyway.
07:12:25 <Ampera> My daily schedule relies on a more global time relation to judge events than a relative one.
07:12:55 <Ampera> It's the difference between measuring where your ship is by coordinates and measuring it by how far your accelerometer has told you you've gone
07:13:57 <Bluenote> Well, in that case, you may be one of the rare instances where UTC would actually create a bit more work.
07:14:04 <Ampera> I still measure my weather in Fahrenheit, bake my cakes with cups, fill my car up with US gallons, and put miles on it, not because it's a better system, but because it's what I'm used to and the alternative doesn't matter.
07:15:15 <Ampera> Switching to UTC for me would require more effort and daily change in habit than what I would get back in global productivity, since it's just as easy to do a five second calculation as to what time it is in another place as it is to do another five second calculation to figure out if it's morning at 4PM UTC in Australia.
07:15:45 <Ampera> so I can call up my friend after he wakes up, and not when I wake up
07:15:51 <Bluenote> Sure, and if that's what you like, well, nobody can truly force you to change it.
07:16:11 <Ampera> So then why are you saying we should /all/ use UTC?
07:16:14 <Bluenote> It's not a compelling reason to avoid standardization by everyone else, however.
07:16:51 <Ampera> UTC is already a standard medium for time when working internationally, and is as used as it needs to be.
07:17:23 <Ampera> What you're suggesting is to stuff it into everyone's day to day lives, which I don't think would be a pleasant experience for the vast majority of average people.
07:17:54 <Bluenote> No change ever is.
07:18:35 <rust_collector> I think most people would get used to it in 3 days
07:18:43 <Bluenote> That's still not a valid reason to avoid switching to more efficient systems.
07:18:53 <Ampera> The thing is, unlike changing systems of units (which is important in major industry, is already taught in US schools, and is something the UK has not fully done either), you don't get a significant advantage.
07:19:19 <Ampera> It's a similar reason as to why nobody uses Dvorak, just because the marginal improvement does not warrant the exceeding effort to change.
07:19:40 <Bluenote> As our presence in space increases, eventually we're going to have to anyway.
07:19:54 <Ampera> rust_collector, where is your reasoning behind that? There are people living in the UK who are still not used to the SI, and that's a concept that has far less impact on people's lives than time does.
07:20:34 <Ampera> Bluenote, that is a different topic, and in that respect, off a planet, that makes sense, but there have been more people who have been struck by lightning than have gone to space.
07:20:49 <rust_collector> time is time, use a clock to see what time it is. I dunno, I don't think I would have any problem.
07:20:54 <Bluenote> Yeah, but short of something cataclysmic, that is going to change.
07:21:39 <Ampera> Not quickly, not cheaply, and maybe not within our lifetimes.
07:21:56 <Ampera> That still doesn't justify a worldwide need to switch to universal time.
07:22:16 <Ampera> rust_collector, so then why do people own clocks and not timers?
07:22:23 <rust_collector> there is no need, I just feel it makes more sense than not changing to it
07:22:43 <Ampera> What makes sense for one person is batshit on a sandwitch for another.
07:22:44 <rust_collector> well, a clock is a timer
07:23:01 <rust_collector> counting from whatever you set it to
07:24:04 <Ampera> Basing from standard use, a shoe can be a hat, but you'll look silly using it as one, a clock is a measure of a reference time, whereas a timer is a measure of relative time.
07:24:30 <Ampera> Difference between measuring how much you have moved via a GPS versus an accelerometer
07:25:13 <Bluenote> Sure. If you're operating solo, you could just as easily do it by timer as you could by clock. Clocks are primarily of use in interfacing with others.
07:26:08 <Bluenote> In that regard, a system with the least ambiguity possible is best.
07:26:29 <Bluenote> ...which is ultimately what drives international entities to UTC in the first place.
07:26:49 <Ampera> Which you have not established to be universal with having everyone being on the same planetary system of time.
07:27:06 <Ampera> There will still be plenty of ambiguity, which I have already established.
07:27:23 <Ampera> That is for a special use case, however, and does not justify changing people's day to day lives.
07:27:26 <rust_collector> well, some countries are not even in the same year. I do not think that make much sense either
07:27:47 <Bluenote> There is objectively less ambiguity.
07:27:49 <Ampera> Those countries tend to be the ones left behind a bit in economics.
07:27:56 <rust_collector> a little bit
07:28:06 <Ampera> Bluenote, ambiguity is a subjective concept relative to how much one knows.
07:28:25 <Bluenote> You completely eliminate "AM or PM", and "0900 my time or yours?"
07:28:31 <Ampera> North Korea isn't in the same year nor at an hour offset local time to UTC, and they don't exactly get along well with the rest of the world.
07:29:07 <Ampera> Bluenote, yes now you have to start asking, what time is morning for you? How high is the sun right now? About what part of the day is it for you?
07:29:08 <Bluenote> Well, when you don't adhere to standards, of course there is a mismatch.
07:29:18 <Ampera> AM or PM is also an irrelevant matter, and has to do with how we number time, and not time zones.
07:30:06 <rust_collector> west bengal also has a not complete hour difference, which I think it interesting
07:30:10 <rust_collector> is
07:30:10 <Ampera> Bluenote, without looking it up, what time UTC is morning in Japan?
07:30:15 <Bluenote> AM or PM is entirely relevant, as it's done away with entirely if you're adhering to UTC.
07:30:16 <Ampera> Hawaii, California.
07:30:27 <Ampera> Even if you know the time offset, you still have to do calculations.
07:30:43 <Ampera> Bluenote, that's not relevant to this discussion about adhereing specifically to a single timezone.
07:30:56 <Bluenote> Ampera: Not any more than you do currently.
07:31:07 <Ampera> You can use the time zone UTC is based on with AM/PM, and you can use any other time zone on a 24 hour clock all you like.
07:31:37 <Ampera> Bluenote, right now I can say, most people around the world get up between 6 and 9 in the morning.
07:32:01 <Bluenote> You can bastardize UTC and use it as a reference point to stick a 12 hour interface over, sure.
07:32:05 <Ampera> With that I can simply find what offset compared to my time another time zone is, and calculate it in my head.
07:32:35 <rust_collector> well, don't call me in your morning, lol
07:32:39 <Ampera> Bluenote, my point is that's not relevant to the discussion, and not a valid argument as to why using a global unified time for everyone is a good idea.
07:33:10 <Ampera> rust_collector, no problem I'll call you in my 4:00
07:33:17 <rust_collector> great
07:33:23 <Bluenote> And I can say "Most people get up about X hours before noon. Local noon is Y. Y-X, bam, time they're likely to be up." Also easy mental math.
07:33:43 <Ampera> Bluenote, do you have timezones basing local noons?
07:33:57 <Ampera> Sounds like you're using local time anyways, just with another time zone to complicate matters
07:33:59 <Bluenote> That's essentially what existing time zones are, yes.
07:34:06 <Ampera> So why add another layer to it?
07:34:16 <rust_collector> just because we can!
07:34:20 <Bluenote> Because it completely eliminates the "My time or yours" question.
07:34:27 <Bluenote> I say 0400, it's 0400 _everywhere_.
07:34:38 <Ampera> It replaces my time with yours with my morning or yours, my evening or yours.
07:35:02 <Ampera> What part of day is it for you? Local time doesn't exist, so I need to look up what noon is in your area, do some calculations to figure out what approximate local time would be
07:35:09 <Bluenote> "Where is that in your daylight cycle" is a question either way.
07:35:14 <Ampera> whoop I'm using local time, can't do that
07:35:47 <Ampera> Bluenote, yes, but in your example, you get to that point through a lot of effort, a lot of replacement of a LOT of computerized systems, reeducation of practically the entire population
07:35:58 <Ampera> just so you can do the exact same thing you're already doing
07:36:06 <Ampera> only a bit less precise
07:37:32 <Bluenote> It is "a lot of effort" in that people would have to get used to it, sure.
07:37:48 <Ampera> Oh no, you'd have to update computer systems, all of them to now work in UTC.
07:38:00 <Ampera> You have to change every clock in the world to all be on the same page.
07:38:05 <Bluenote> That's not especially difficult outside of edge cases.
07:38:13 <Ampera> You'd have to change how computer programs deal with scheduling already.
07:38:13 <Bluenote> I mean...NTP.
07:38:33 <Ampera> Which not every machine has, there are older systems not connected to the internet, embedded applications relying on time to activate properly.
07:38:38 <rust_collector> the it guy has to have something to do
07:39:05 <Bluenote> Yes. Antiquated legacy systems will be a problem. They always are.
07:39:07 <Ampera> That could also potentially break programs designed for a world based around local time zones, and interfacing with people that expect a local time, and not a universal time.
07:39:29 <Ampera> The thing is each one of these examples costs money, and there are a LOT of machines in the world, which will cost a LOT of money.
07:39:37 <Ampera> All for a result that doesn't make anybody a whole lot of money.
07:40:46 <Bluenote> These are the same problems experienced with any shift in standards.
07:41:02 <Bluenote> We do it because it's more efficient in the long run.
07:41:10 <Ampera> You haven't established that at all.
07:41:32 <Ampera> You've established a potential casual ease when working in a global scale with other people, where UTC is already used, and doesn't need to be implemented any further.
07:42:09 <Ampera> It's Dvorak levels of efficiency or even worse in many places besides.
07:42:25 <Bluenote> Are we trending toward greater global communication or less?
07:43:05 <Ampera> If we're trending towards a state of being that requires more universal time, then we can use more universal time as it's needed.
07:43:14 <Ampera> We don't have to uproot and replant everyone on a new system just for that.
07:43:45 <Ampera> Which is already being done, Unix-likes are traditionally set to use UTC system clocks, with the UI making the localization changes
07:47:22 <Bluenote> I'm just not a proponent of running concurrent standards when one will do, I guess.
07:47:45 <rust_collector> just to ask about something else. does anyone know why people in some areas in asia has very long pinky nails?
07:48:17 <Ampera> Why do scandinavians have blue eyes and blonde hair? Why do Germans like sausage more than gay prostitutes?
07:48:23 <Ampera> It's just a trait
07:48:32 <Bluenote> Or lots of cocaine.
07:48:40 <rust_collector> heh. well
07:51:24 <Bluenote> Anyone here done the firmware "upgrade" for Siglent SDS 1104's?
07:51:43 <Ampera> no because i don't own one, but here's another question
07:52:00 <Ampera> Why is the process of transferring interactive programs over the internet so shit?
07:52:05 <Ampera> Namely webpages
07:52:46 <Ampera> The EEVBlog site being down has gotten me thinking about web development, something that I absolutely hate.
07:52:46 <EEVBlog> If you keep saying that, I'm gonna hold you upside down and shake you until all the electrons fall out, Ampera!
07:52:59 <rust_collector> hah
07:53:16 <Bluenote> Because change is tough.
07:53:52 <Ampera> I mean I can explain why, because HTTP is an old standard, with websites having more and more standards bolted on frankenstein style.
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08:14:46 <Halcyon> Morning
08:15:03 <Halcyon> Has anyone told Dave about the site?
08:19:31 <Ampera> Halcyon, people have told him, but nobody knows if he heard
08:19:40 <Ampera> It's been like this since I woke up
08:25:48 <Ampera> Halcyon, 🅱️nis
08:26:09 <Halcyon> I've sent him a message just in case
08:27:27 <Ampera> Doesn't gnif manage the servers, Halcyon?
08:27:36 <Halcyon> He does, I've sent him one as well
08:27:44 <Ampera> 🅱️rilliant
08:27:52 <Halcyon> He has young children, so he'll be up by now :P
08:28:02 <Ampera> eevblog time down under
08:28:06 <Ampera> :(
08:28:07 <Ampera> eevblog time
08:28:08 <EEVBlog> Ah shoot, Doc! We've ended up at 08:31 Sydney time.
08:28:09 <Halcyon> Heheh
08:28:22 <Halcyon> Told you that feature would come in handy :)
08:28:58 <Ampera> I'm gonna have a nice breakfast tomorrow
08:29:03 <Halcyon> Oh?
08:29:17 <Ampera> I have bacon and potato bread
08:29:19 <Ampera> with eggs
08:29:36 <Halcyon> Sounds delightful
08:30:36 <Halcyon> I'm leaving for a work trip in a few hours, so I won't be here until probably late Thursday evening or Friday.
08:30:48 <Halcyon> I'll have my laptop with me so might pop in from time to time
08:31:11 <Ampera> alright, well I'll keep the IRC from eating shit
08:31:32 <Halcyon> Heheh :)
08:31:47 <Ampera> hopefully by the time you come back I'll have everything for the package, I just need to go to a few more stores.
08:32:09 <Halcyon> Please don't go to too much trouble or expense
08:32:22 <Ampera> too bad and too late >:D
08:32:26 <Halcyon> Heh
08:32:49 <Ampera> any special requests
08:33:06 <Ampera> the idea being if I keep asking maybe I get more ideas to put in the package, since I have 20 pounds of whatever in a fairly big box
08:33:47 <Halcyon> Well basically, you can't go wrong with anything with chilli in it for me. But if you throw sweets in there, I'm sure Mark will have a nom. He has a sweet tooth
08:33:59 <Halcyon> Nothing will go to waste
08:34:37 <Ampera> the issue I'm finding is I have no idea if most of our stuff is any good, since I basically eat 3 different candies and that's it
08:35:01 <Ampera> but I'm finding things, and got a few good suggestions from the other IRC from people like jspiros
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08:35:14 <Halcyon> Nice
08:35:28 <Halcyon> Also, on another note, there is this big shitfight going on with the NBN at the moment.
08:35:47 <Ampera> again?
08:36:05 <Ampera> if you want I can just send you one end of a long ethernet cable, you can tap into my connection
08:36:25 <Halcyon> They are expecting it to be valued at far less than the cost of construction. Now the blame game has started since our Labor government were going to roll it out mostly fibre to the home, then the Liberals came in and changed it to "mixed technology" (e.g.: shitty old copper and shitty old coax cable).
08:37:02 <Ampera> also I heard that 5G rollout in Australia is going to be delayed or even canceled in some places because they banned imporation of Huawei components which is used in a lot of 5G infrastructure
08:37:15 <Halcyon> By going a mixture of technology, they are now over $21 billion over the original budget
08:37:20 <Halcyon> And there is still WAYYYYY more to go
08:37:28 <Ampera> lol, not only that, their system is fucking worthless
08:37:49 <Ampera> It's considerably behind even the US, which has significant telco issues, and has reliablility problems like nuts
08:38:13 <Halcyon> Nah. 5G is steaming ahead. Only TPG (which was yet to become a Telco) chose Huawei products, that plan has now been canned. All the other operators are using mostly Ericsson products
08:38:23 <Ampera> ah
08:38:40 <Halcyon> 5G is live in every capital city already with outskirts being switched on this year (if they haven't already)
08:39:08 <Ampera> I'm still giving you permission to DoS me with whatever 5G plan you get for 5 minutes
08:40:39 <Halcyon> Haha I know you doubt the capability of mobile networks and I guess I can't blame you, apparently your networks are pretty garbage. I watched a YouTube video on some guy doing a speed test on the new iPhone in the middle of a major city and was getting something like 20Mbps down.
08:40:51 <Halcyon> I get faster than that in the bush on my S8.
08:41:09 <Agripa> AT&T already implemented 5G in the US. Just ask them.
08:41:22 <Halcyon> It's one thing Australia has done right, our mobile networks are awesome. But that's because it's not owned by the Government.
08:41:24 <Ampera> I'm just saying there will be considerable issues, and it won't be as good as you're saying, but we've already had this debate when I was on a train.
08:41:51 <Halcyon> I disagree. LTE is already performing at Gigabit speeds if you have the right devices.
08:42:07 <Ampera> It can perform at those speeds, the question is will you get those speeds.
08:42:15 <Halcyon> Contention isn't a huge issue, most cell towers around the country have fibre running to them with plenty of spare capacity.
08:42:30 <Halcyon> That's what I mean about performing, end users are getting those speeds today.
08:42:33 <Ampera> Distance, bandwidth allocation, LoS and general interference considerations
08:42:56 <Halcyon> I'm not so lucky because I live in the bush and they haven't switched on the 700 MHz band yet
08:43:15 <Ampera> What do the package drop numbers look like?
08:43:21 <Ampera> *packet
08:43:39 <Halcyon> I'd imagine fairly low if you have at least average signal strength
08:44:05 <Ampera> I'm just saying, if you claim gigabit, feel free to try to take my connection down with it
08:44:10 <Halcyon> I haven't done tests, but I'm sure they will have thought of that. These guys have been designing mobile networks since the 1980's.
08:44:22 <Halcyon> Well as I said *I* can't get Gigabit
08:44:34 <Ampera> mmmm
08:44:46 <Ampera> Well as long as you can get something better than the No Bandwidth Network
08:45:00 <Halcyon> But already I can get faster speeds compared to my VDSL2 service
08:45:02 <Halcyon> Indeed
08:45:04 <Ampera> EEVBlog, are you going to be dumping the NBN for 5G?
08:45:04 <EEVBlog> I think the NBN might be able to hold its shit together long enough for a whole YouTube video!
08:45:17 <Halcyon> ROFL
08:45:32 <Halcyon> OK, so it turns out, Dave might have broken the site
08:45:37 <Ampera> how did he do that?
08:45:46 <Halcyon> Geoff is pointing the finger at the new plugins Dave has been playing with
08:46:02 <Ampera> SMF plugins?
08:46:08 <Halcyon> Yup
08:46:17 <Ampera> not sure how those would break a site like that, they are ususally pretty stable and benign
08:46:36 <Halcyon> *shrug* No idea, I know fuck all about web design/hosting etc... and how it has been configured
08:46:40 <Ampera> site is down full stop anyways, so maybe it's going to be fixed.
08:46:50 <Halcyon> I'm guessing there is something in the logs
08:47:04 <Halcyon> Yeh he's on it. Geoff is pretty switched on.
08:47:05 <Ampera> I don't do web development, but I do do web hosting, or at least have done
08:47:13 <Ampera> it's actually really fun, and I wish I could do more of it
08:47:36 <Ampera> but paying a 17 year old to manage your servers I guess isn't something most people are eagre to do.
08:49:27 <Halcyon> Anyway going back to what I was saying, at -108 dBm signal strength sitting where I am, I'm getting 28.0 Mbps down and 11.5 Mbps up with 0% packet loss and 16ms ping time to an Aussie server.
08:49:31 <Halcyon> It's not bad at all.
08:49:43 <Ampera> this is 5G?
08:49:49 <Halcyon> 4G
08:49:54 <Ampera> oh
08:49:57 <Halcyon> I don't have a 5G handset
08:50:34 <Ampera> My internet is so fast I actually can beat Hanover College's upload speed in NH
08:50:44 <Ampera> at least whatever they've allocated for their speedtest service
08:50:49 <coppice> does any customer have a 5G handset?
08:51:06 <Halcyon> Coppice, yeh some do
08:51:23 <Ampera> what about 5G handjobs?
08:51:25 <Halcyon> Sorry not handset, they are coming in June
08:51:34 <Halcyon> But they are selling CPE like modems etc... I believe
08:51:55 <Ampera> Oh Halcyon I figured out how long my music collection lasts
08:51:57 <Ampera> 10 hours
08:52:15 <Halcyon> Well it's not about the size Ampera, it's how you use it ;-)
08:52:29 <Ampera> 148 songs, 1.9GB
08:52:53 <Halcyon> I was going to say I could copy my collection to a HDD for you, but you probably won't like most of it
08:53:01 <Ampera> Really nice quality on some of them too, most songs are between 450-530 kbps AAC
08:53:13 <Halcyon> Mine is all entirely WAV (or FLAC)
08:53:28 <Ampera> This AAC is near lossless, but I have it in AAC because it was free
08:53:31 <Ampera> they're all YouTube rips
08:53:36 <Halcyon> I see
08:53:42 <Halcyon> What sort of music are you into?
08:53:56 <Ampera> You know I've actually found out quite recently what defines my musical tastes.
08:54:00 <Ampera> Big sound.
08:54:08 <Halcyon> Orchestral ?
08:54:22 <Ampera> Not exactly, I guess you could descibe it using the term "Wall of sound".
08:54:35 <Halcyon> What about the BTTF soundtrack?
08:54:39 <Ampera> I like big melodies, climactic organizations.
08:54:46 <Ampera> A lot of the BTTF soundtrack is pop
08:54:56 <Ampera> I
08:55:02 <Halcyon> Some of it is, but then you get the scores used in the film
08:55:08 <Ampera> I'm listening to ELO's Telephone Line, and it's I think one of the best examples of what I mean.
08:55:21 <Halcyon> I think I have some ELO... standby...
08:56:02 <Ampera> Songs like The Kinks' Waterloo Sunset, The Beatles' Strawberry Fields Forever, Chicago's If you Leave me Now, Hard to Say I'm Sorry, and You're the Inspiration.
08:56:27 <Halcyon> I only have one of their compilation albums "Best of ELO 2005"
08:56:31 <Ampera> It's not particularly about full orchestra or lots of instruments, but having a lot of song.
08:56:41 <Halcyon> I can send it to you if you like, it's all Wave format
08:56:47 <Ampera> Halcyon if you want I can give you info for my SFTP share, I can stick my collection on there.
08:56:56 <Ampera> Nah I'm good, YouTube is really really nice to get high quality music from
08:57:08 <Halcyon> Sure, do you have an upload/drop zone folder?
08:57:22 <Ampera> No, my SFTP share is read only, I'd be giving you my music.
08:57:28 <Halcyon> Meh, if you're using good headphones/speakers you can still tell the difference
08:57:39 <Halcyon> AAC is pretty damn good but there is still a difference
08:57:53 <Ampera> Not with these, the bitrate is so high I can't tell a single thing.
08:58:19 <Ampera> I mean 400-500 kbps is good even for lower quality codecs like MP3 or AC3
08:58:38 <Ampera> but AAC is a modern codec, and close to as good as lossy codecs have come.
08:59:48 <Halcyon> Yeh it is, but even a 320kbps MP3 sounds crappy to me
09:00:03 <Halcyon> I agree
09:00:05 <coppice> you might just be delusional
09:00:08 <Ampera> This is better than 320kbps MP3 by half the bitrate and about 10-15 years
09:00:12 <Halcyon> Coppice: https://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2015/06/02/411473508/how-well-can-you-hear-audio-quality
09:00:14 <Halcyon> Give it a go
09:00:25 <Halcyon> I got almost 100% of my first try and got everything correct on my second
09:00:26 <Ampera> Halcyon I tried and I couldn't tell a difference between any of them
09:00:35 <Ampera> but it's also a faulty test since i know none of the songs well enough to hear anything different.
09:00:45 <Halcyon> MP3 sounds "compressed" at some notes even at CBR
09:00:52 <Halcyon> And it's missing some high end audio
09:00:58 <Ampera> V/ABR > CBR
09:01:06 <Halcyon> I don't know any of those songs
09:01:08 <Ampera> However this isn't MP3, this is AAC
09:01:11 <Halcyon> It's not about the song, it's about how it sounds
09:01:15 <Halcyon> I know Ampera
09:01:17 <Ampera> Well I couldn't tell
09:01:19 * T3sl4 fires FLAC at Ampera
09:01:36 * Ampera unleashes a horde of APEs at T3sl4
09:01:44 <Halcyon> But it's the reason why I only have my music collection in lossless, because my OCD will kick in otherwise
09:02:09 <Ampera> tbh I could probably be given a stack of tapes and not notice it after a while
09:02:25 <Halcyon> For pop, it really doesn't matter, but for big orchestral numbers or even Enya, it does. You need a big dynamic range and as much of the audio information as you can get
09:02:54 <coppice> Halcyon: there are big differences between those samples, but they don't seem to say what they are
09:02:59 <Halcyon> Even Dire Straits, they use a lot of really quiet sounds then it ramps up
09:03:14 <Halcyon> Coppice: Once you select one it will
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09:03:25 <Halcyon> The 128Kbps MP3 sticks out like dogs balls
09:04:27 <coppice> Halcyon: The 320k sample I just tried is a lot different from the uncompressed wave. There is something wrong with their tests.
09:04:28 <Halcyon> Oh by the way, if any of you gentlemen use Plex and would like access to my collection, send me your username/email addy
09:04:58 <Halcyon> That's the point though, 320kbps compared to Wave is quite different
09:05:02 <Halcyon> Not a lot, but it's there
09:05:37 <coppice> its normally very hard to tell any difference. Here the difference is big, so there is something wrong with their test data
09:05:51 <Halcyon> Or you have good ears.
09:06:03 <Halcyon> I do agree though, most casual listeners can't hear any difference
09:06:23 <coppice> I've worked on codecs, and done a lot of evaluation. that is not the normal difference between 320k and uncompressed
09:07:03 <Halcyon> I guess I could also convert some stuff for shits and giggles, but I don't have the time right now.
09:07:19 <Ampera> First two songs I was unable to tell any difference, and got them both wrong
09:07:20 <Halcyon> But my point is, I notice a difference and it annoys me.
09:08:04 <Ampera> got the third one right, probably by sheer luck, I had to really listen to notice any minor distortion of any sort
09:08:18 <Halcyon> It's subtle
09:08:28 <Halcyon> But the 128kbps MP3 just sounds crap
09:08:36 <Halcyon> You can rule that one out just about straight away
09:08:44 <Ampera> I've picked the 128kbps MP3 more than I've picked anything else
09:08:51 <Ampera> I can't at all
09:08:57 <Halcyon> Do you have decent speakers?
09:09:02 <coppice> well, all of the Neil Young ones sound poor. Its a old recording, and the original isn't that great
09:09:06 <Ampera> Sennheiser headphones
09:09:21 <Halcyon> Even with cheap Sennheiser's you'll be able to hear it
09:09:22 <Ampera> What isn't decent is my hearing, which out of all of my senses, is one of the worst.
09:09:27 <Ampera> I can't
09:09:38 <Ampera> I can't reliably determine the difference between any of the songs.
09:09:51 <Ampera> I can /if/ I've heard the song before and heard it enough to detect quality improvements.
09:10:03 <Halcyon> 128/192 kbps MP3 sounds really compressed to me. You know when you get that "warbly" kind of sound, it's hard to explain
09:10:06 <Ampera> but I need time and effort to compare them, and even then I rarely care
09:10:17 <Ampera> I know what you mean, and it's more pronounced on some songs than others
09:10:24 <Halcyon> Yes it is
09:10:33 <Ampera> I can even tell my 128kbps AAC songs from my 400+ kbps AAC in my collection
09:10:39 <Ampera> but it's not easy, and my hearing is not good
09:10:50 <Ampera> My sight is pretty much my only sense that is particularly good, and I guess my touch.
09:11:04 <Halcyon> I like T3sl4's touch
09:11:10 <Ampera> I can barely taste my food, I can barely breathe, nevermind smell, and I can't hear someone shouting at me 5 feet away in a parking lot.
09:11:11 <coppice> 128k AAC isn't that great. You need 256k or more to sound reasonable. Its little better than MP3
09:11:35 <Halcyon> That might explain it then Amps :P
09:12:00 <Halcyon> I used to produce videos for the theatre (promos etc...) years ago.
09:12:15 <Halcyon> "Near enough" wasn't good enough was how I was taught
09:12:36 <Halcyon> Also, the website is back up again
09:16:34 <Ampera> I need to better my SSH security one of these days, I made a couple of mistakes setting it up.
09:16:59 <Ampera> It's not critical, but I should have used elliptic curve keys instead of RSA, and should have encrypted the keys themselves
09:17:05 <Ampera> but ehhh, effort :P
09:17:32 <Halcyon> Heh
09:18:03 <Ampera> I'm really looking to "find" myself a good server computer to offload some stuff onto, and to have my own email server.
09:18:41 <Halcyon> You can pick up some really nice cheap stuff on ebay or auction sites, I don't know if you have Grays Online over there.
09:18:43 * T3sl4 slaps Halcyon
09:18:50 <Halcyon> Lots of companies flog old IT gear off cheap.
09:18:58 <Ampera> There's a MASSIVE problem with that Halcyon
09:19:09 <Halcyon> Mmmm ?
09:19:17 <Ampera> those aren't freecycle :P
09:19:21 <Halcyon> Ahh
09:19:52 <Halcyon> I reckon you could still do it. Years ago I picked up about 5 Dell PowerEdge servers for $10 each
09:20:04 <Halcyon> Some were even $1 because no one wanted them and they were heading for the bin
09:20:05 <Ampera> that's a lucky break
09:20:22 <Ampera> ones that don't come on ebay, since that's very expensive
09:20:28 <Halcyon> That's companies for you, the time and effort to try and recoup value from old equipment isn't worth it. They just write it off.
09:20:32 <Ampera> and is what gets gobbled up immediately on craigslist
09:20:50 <Ampera> so I'm waiting until someone I know has some free shit I can have
09:21:06 <Ampera> or for someone to hire me :P
09:21:09 <Halcyon> I could build you a server with parts I have
09:21:16 <Halcyon> But getting it there would be expensive
09:21:28 <Ampera> which is why I say no, since a board or some cards is one thing
09:21:31 <Ampera> a damn server ain't
09:21:44 <Ampera> I can survive without one, it's just something that would be nice
09:21:45 <Halcyon> Since you have the bandwidth, why not look at something like AWS?
09:21:51 <Halcyon> There are some really cheap, even free options on there
09:22:08 <Ampera> because AWS, Google Cloud, and Microsoft Azure are some of the most expensive services available.
09:22:14 <Ampera> They are NOT cheap, not even close.
09:22:34 <Ampera> and the people who are cheap have shit offerings, most of them don't even offer Unix for their VPSes
09:22:40 <Halcyon> https://aws.amazon.com/free/free-tier/
09:23:26 <Ampera> Yeah I can pick up an Azure trial if I wanted to, but I might as well use a Raspberry Pi
09:24:28 <Halcyon> Oh well it was just an option
09:25:06 <Ampera> I know it is, and thanks for suggesting it, it's just that I've explored all options
09:25:33 <Ampera> I'll probably just wait for some money to come my way and pick up something cheap off Craigslist when I find it
09:25:35 <Halcyon> Anyway better go, I need to start packing my stuff and get going
09:25:40 <Halcyon> Yeh fair enough
09:25:51 <Ampera> cuai
09:25:53 <Ampera> *ciao
09:26:03 <Halcyon> Hopefully I'll be on through the week but otherwise I'll see you guys on Friday
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14:12:36 <Ampera> Actually you know what, I can see the appeal with that.
14:12:48 <Ampera> That makes it really easy to count open/closed braces if you can't use a program that does it for you
14:13:17 <Ampera> and if you space it out right, it might still be alright
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19:33:58 <T3sl4> ThunderSqueak!
19:35:52 <ThunderSqueak> hi there
19:35:57 <ThunderSqueak> https://i.imgur.com/CtOHbEH.jpg
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19:36:29 <ThunderSqueak> :)
19:36:33 <ThunderSqueak> how are you hun?
19:36:48 <ThunderSqueak> T3sl4, I purchased the smaller knife today https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/294648924755460097/544054352793436167/shun.JPG
19:36:54 <ThunderSqueak> I have had the chef's knife for years
19:37:41 <T3sl4> w00t(z)
19:37:44 <T3sl4> :D
19:38:16 <ThunderSqueak> that chef's knife is my most used knife
19:38:31 <T3sl4> keeps an edge well i hope?
19:38:35 <ThunderSqueak> tbh, I am surprised that the logo isnt worn off
19:38:44 <ThunderSqueak> yeah, it has a 61 rockwell hardness on the edge
19:39:02 <T3sl4> not bad, only a few points off from file-hard IIRC
19:39:06 <ThunderSqueak> wrapped with a more springy steel, built like a katana, with a 16 degree edge
19:39:19 <ThunderSqueak> glides through hard foods
19:39:24 <T3sl4> may crack if you drop it, but not something you should drop :)
19:39:37 <ThunderSqueak> no, dont drop that, it might go through the earth's core
19:39:42 <T3sl4> :)
19:39:55 <ThunderSqueak> I almost got a wustoff
19:40:12 <ThunderSqueak> but, I tried that shun at the shop on a very hard squash and it was wow
19:40:27 <ThunderSqueak> knife shop here lets you try knives
19:42:40 <T3sl4> the shop isn't Ollivander's is it?
19:43:15 <T3sl4> "dragonscale case-hardened steel, ten inches, flexible..."
19:43:16 <ThunderSqueak> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foeiQZvox3E
19:43:20 <ThunderSqueak> why I like shun knives
19:45:36 <ThunderSqueak> the shop is called "northern Knives" but it might as well be ollivander's
19:47:09 <ThunderSqueak> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzFCftEEFvs
19:47:44 <ThunderSqueak> never touch the edge on one o.o
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