// #eevblog — 2019-02-20
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00:42:54 Set By: (ChanOP) on: Tue Jan 22 08:34:08 2019
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01:29:41 <Ampera> man, australian internet is making new records in unreliability today
01:29:56 <Ampera> it kicked my ZNC off for the first time since I've been here.
01:45:16 <Lartza> Don't worry, it kicked my european server offline too
01:45:42 <Lartza> I think I'm connected to the US austnet server....
01:46:01 <K> hmm, i am connected from eu server as well
01:46:08 <K> did not get kicked off
01:46:50 <K> am connected to irc.austnet.org
01:48:14 <Lartza> That's a round robin that has all the servers
01:48:21 <Lartza> Not any single server
01:48:24 <K> ah
01:49:09 <Lartza> You should be able to see the actual server in the server connection messages, after "This server was created"
01:49:51 <K> > Your host is lego.jp.austnet.org, running version 8.1.6
01:49:58 <Lartza> hehe
01:50:20 <Lartza> Oh I thought the ping to that was worse than the au servers, was wrong it seems
01:51:04 <K> my screen shell is in frankfurt fwiw
01:51:25 <Lartza> Finland for me
01:51:49 <Lartza> Seeing the netsplits it just seems austnet having some issues alltogether today
01:52:33 <Lartza> I even managed to get some "[Throttled]" messages, let me in if you don't want to throttle me! ;)
01:53:37 <K> hm, all i see is some notices about NickOP service going up/down
01:57:25 <Ampera> My ZNC is near Albany
01:57:57 <Ampera> and I seem to be on the NSW server
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05:08:11 <jackbrown> which size would you choose to make your 1mt long silicone wire probes DIY?? 12AWG 13AWG or 14AWG ?
05:10:06 <K> 0.00521
05:10:32 <K> vs vs 0.00657 vs 0.00829
05:10:41 <K> resistance for 1m
05:11:20 <rust_collector> probably better with metric wires...
05:11:25 <jackbrown> K: sorry ? You mean that doesn't matter since the cable lenght?
05:11:47 <K> i have 12AWG wire on hand now, it is quite thick
05:11:55 <K> wouldnt want that for probes
05:12:20 <K> wire probes for what? multimeter?
05:16:40 <jackbrown> K: yes just my multimeter
05:19:49 <K> well, in my opinion, multimeter is not a high precision instrument, so wire resistance is of lesser concern
05:20:54 <K> unless you are working with mains voltages
05:21:17 <K> then i would suggest you get probes with propper certifications and stuff
05:23:43 <jackbrown> K: yes of course
05:24:59 <K> https://www.digikey.com/catalog/en/partgroup/5519a-replacement-test-leads-for-sheathed-style-dmm-s/17137 - this one mentions 18AWG for wires
05:28:22 <jackbrown> K: tnx, i'd prefer that have on both sides connector so i can plug whatever I want
05:30:01 <K> eeh, i'm not suggesting you buy those, only that they use 18AWG wire
05:34:01 <K> i've had my eye on these for a while now - https://www.welectron.com/Probe-Master-8043SK-Softie-Test-Lead-Master-Kit-120cm_1
05:36:05 <jackbrown> Did anybody tried one of those T12 soldering iron from ksger that I always see on Aliexpress?
05:38:06 <jackbrown> K: I was looking those, that are cheap but pretty complete https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Cleqee-P1300B-P1300C-12-in-1-Super-Multimeter-Probe-Replaceable-Probe-Clamp-Multi-Meter-Test-Lead/32906686286.html?
05:42:12 <K> might be worth a try yea
05:43:23 <jackbrown> K: they look nice and they are cheap, I heard that cleqee does good stuff, for 11€ shipped te 1300C version seems complete enough for hobby
06:08:43 <rust_collector> jackbrown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-J6tXJTHA4 Don't know if you have seen that or not. but kseger seems to be the same as any other "T12 kit" just assembled?
06:09:59 <jackbrown> rust_collector: yes I saw many videos on youtube, I was just wondering it it really works fine compared to a T18, (since most professional on youtube suggest to buy ANYWAY a T12 instead of an old T18) or you will remain unhappy if you buy it.
06:12:27 <rust_collector> well, I have not tried either, but from what people say, the t12 is nice for heating up fast, and works fine for "smaller" things. I really do not know.
06:14:52 <rust_collector> I am actually completely happy with my old style hakko clone, until that blows up. It is not very quick to heat up, but not bad, it does not have a lot of power, but not bad. I guess it depends on what you use it for?
06:18:23 <jackbrown> rust_collector: yes sure, indeed
06:19:17 <jackbrown> rust_collector: it's just an hobby for me, so I think that I will be happy with my Hakko clone either for a long time, it's just that sometime I struggle a bit with lead free solder, but I just need to heat up my iron, I usually keep it very low that's maybe one of the problem.
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06:19:38 <jackbrown> rust_collector: I have an Atten 8586 combo station, it's not incredible, but works fine for my needs
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07:08:30 <DHess_US> https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51757380_2105513352830749_6854381772755435520_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_eui2=AeEPketMWnPrfICkAiuQScXvmkrk9hFhG4KkSI2loj-jKQ3iCoHb4phoQD2eXEsr4dCnp8v3ru7HDarKh6gGbLVhoBxhcHtV-wLKSZgRIB9y1g&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=3538d9bebe8229f798c5d2b91972ba0f&oe=5D24A3C9
08:03:34 <Yaakov`> jackbrown: The best version of that station is the one Banggood sellls.
08:04:11 <Yaakov`> The difference is internal construction and the iron itself. The others use a screw on caollar but this one is like the HAkko, simple plug in.
08:04:27 <Yaakov`> While there might be some spotty QC, the reviews are mostly very good.
08:04:55 <Yaakov`> If you want, I can dig up the URL for the right version.
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09:13:14 <mrpackethead> anyone know of an audio tone generator IC, that you can use I2C to control
09:39:24 <DHess_US> An I2C DAC?
09:39:53 <DHess_US> Picked up a TP-Link TL-SG108e switch for cheap. TP-Link any good?
09:46:13 <mrpackethead> DHess_US, I dont' wnat to have to keep sending it instructions/data
09:46:24 <mrpackethead> i'd like to tell it to play tone @ frequency for duration
09:54:59 <K> playing with pwm is not an option?
09:57:02 <DHess_US> Offhand I don't know of anything like that. What you need is an FM synthesis chip with I2C interface but I don't know that such a thing ever existed.
10:00:34 <K> there is AD9833, but it is SPI
10:01:14 <K> but that needs and external oscilator and probably some buffering on output
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10:10:46 <DHess_US> Well, that's a new one. I crashed my BSD router. It took exception to changing the LAN cable.
10:11:25 <DHess_US> mrpackethead, there *are* I2C tone generators sort of. https://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/MAX7347-MAX7349.pdf
10:11:51 <DHess_US> The maxim part includes it as part of a keyboard controller.
10:11:55 <mrpackethead> thats the right kind of idea. but not 100% ideal
10:12:21 <T3sl4> put a classic YM26xx whatever thingy on a I2C GPIO expander :P
10:13:06 <DHess_US> T3sl4, I was thinking that but the various old school sound generators are not exactly common anymore.
10:13:09 <T3sl4> ...does anyone make copies of those? i guess that they aren't too hard to find, but maybe not cheap-as-cheaps, so to speak
10:13:17 <DHess_US> Yes, there is a clone project.
10:15:12 <T3sl4> someone should take it upon themselves to create and market OTP MCUs/FPGAs/SoCs with various building-block programs, like tone generators, PWM controllers, display controllers, etc.
10:15:26 <T3sl4> paired likewise with various ports, I2C, SPI, async...
10:15:31 <DHess_US> Oh, that has and is beign done.
10:15:56 <DHess_US> I know some of those based on PIC are sold.
10:16:13 <DHess_US> But it isn't something you can find at Mouser.
10:17:39 <T3sl4> that's basically what silabs did with their silicon oscillator line, fully programmable freq
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10:23:15 <mrpackethead> iv'e not got enough counters on my micro to create a PWM tone
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10:38:00 <DHess_US> Apparently screwing around with my router broke the 18 year old 3com parallel tasking II 10/100 ethernet card. :(
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12:56:43 <mrpackethead> how/
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19:02:05 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Well, that's at least an improvement I guess @TeamYouTube There should still be some sort of "reputation" based system that fully protects long time creators. i.e. there should no way an established channel can be deleted with 3 strikes in a day https://t.co/Fewte7hYYQ
19:03:38 <steve30> Halcyon, how did you get on with the Microsofting?
19:09:06 <Halcyon> After I installed the first round of Windows updates, it updated online successfully
19:09:19 <Halcyon> I think it was down to some kind of certificate / SSL issue
19:09:29 <Halcyon> *activated I mean
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21:02:38 <K> mrpackethead: https://github.com/fooker/attiny85-i2c-pwm
21:06:37 <K> and
21:06:39 <K> hello
21:06:57 <K> dang, the bot does not like me anymore, it seems
21:08:44 <K> maybe it never did :|
21:29:54 <coppice> maybe nobody likes you. maybe nobody really likes anybody. maybe bots just reflect their creators.
21:53:54 <Halcyon> Evening gents
22:04:07 <steve30> hi
22:04:13 <Halcyon> Steeee
22:04:17 <Halcyon> :)
22:04:37 <steve30> I've just been out for some shopping, and a coffee and chocolate brownie
22:04:48 <Halcyon> I've had a wine
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22:06:02 <Halcyon> I'm running out of YouTubes to watch
22:06:06 <Halcyon> I'm all caught up
22:06:34 <steve30> Try some XTubes instead
22:08:44 <Halcyon> Already done :P
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