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10:32:57 <Guest|41079> howdy
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11:00:12 <Guest|29755> hi
11:00:40 <Jack> hello
11:00:40 <EEVBlog1> Hello there, Jack!
11:00:55 <Jack> hi
11:01:08 <Guest|29755> This is my first time here
11:01:25 <Guest|29755> what do people chat about?
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11:05:59 <Guest|541> WHATS UP PEOPLE
11:06:10 <rust_collector> cats, fake news, uuhm, yeah, pretty much
11:06:25 <Guest|541> the norm then
11:06:30 <rust_collector> other news...
11:06:38 <Guest|541> this is my first time on here ever
11:06:44 <Guest|541> what is it for?
11:06:55 <Guest|541> or what is it used for?
11:07:40 <rust_collector> well, you can ask about electronics, someone might answer, but it seems to be more like a social thing, most of the time
11:08:03 <Guest|541> cool, how does it work?
11:08:14 <Guest|541> are we in a big chatroom now?
11:08:47 <rust_collector> well, 39 names... depends on what you think is big
11:09:12 <Guest|541> well it isn't one to one is what i was checking lol
11:09:34 <rust_collector> o right, no, it is an.... open room sort of thing
11:09:46 <Guest|541> Why is everyone so silent?
11:10:04 <Guest|541> Is this normal?
11:10:31 <rust_collector> some have real lives, some live in far away places...
11:10:41 <Guest|541> lol
11:11:09 <Guest|541> Why are they even connected if they aren't active, seems strange
11:11:34 <Guest|541> some people must just open it in the browser and leave it open?
11:11:36 <rust_collector> because you can read what people have said, and maybe answer when you get back?
11:11:53 <Guest|541> Ah, I see
11:12:28 <rust_collector> some people like to see what crap other people say about them, when the other people think they are not looking
11:12:49 <Guest|541> I have watched the eevblog vids for years and today I decided to check out the website and forum dave always mentions lol
11:12:49 <EEVBlog1> If you keep saying that, I'm gonna hold you upside down and shake you until all the electrons fall out, Guest|541!
11:13:11 <rust_collector> hah
11:13:25 <Guest|541> I am impressed with the forum tbh
11:13:30 <rust_collector> the forum has a lot of stuff in it
11:14:11 <rust_collector> lots and lots, you just have to find the correct thing you are looking for in the big pile
11:14:45 <Guest|541> well, seems like it would be useful for getting help with repairs
11:14:54 <rust_collector> so, do you have any fun projects?
11:15:26 <rust_collector> yeah, you could probably get help with repairs, as long as you do a bit of work yourself
11:16:44 <Guest|541> I'm an electronics engineering student, I have a part time job fitting electrics into motor homes
11:17:04 <Guest|541> other than that I like to buy and repair faulty gear for profit
11:17:12 <Guest|541> no real projects per say
11:17:18 <rust_collector> Oh. sounds interesting enough
11:17:52 <rust_collector> motor homes... so I assume you are in the states uf united americas?
11:18:04 <Guest|541> lol, im from ireland
11:18:21 <rust_collector> hmm, ok
11:18:37 <Guest|541> i say motor homes because theres quite a mix of different vehicles, the guy converts them
11:18:53 <Guest|541> lorries, vans, people carriers
11:18:56 <Jack> im here about a vizio that has flashing backlight leds. I just found a board for $14 so I figured id compare readings if the new one solves my problem
11:19:02 <Guest|541> sort of converted to order
11:19:54 <rust_collector> sounds like almost fun
11:20:03 <rust_collector> Jack: what is a vizio?
11:20:20 <Jack> tv
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11:31:27 <rust_collector> I do not know much about tvs. the last one I messed with had a bad power supply, with pieces of capacitors everywhere. But I can not even remember if that tv had led backlight, or those tube things.
13:22:48 <EEVBlog1> New EEVBlog Tweet: Awesome @TheAmpHour episode today with @TheSignalPath talking about 5G technology
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16:45:00 <EEVBlog1> New EEVBlog Tweet: Buggered if I can get an RTL2832 to work as a wideband spectrum analyser. I know it only has a few megs of bandwidth, but no idea how to sweep it to get a wide spectrum like 100MHz or 1GHz? SDRsharp seem useless for this. Anyone?
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18:35:43 <Halcyon> RAR bitches
18:36:55 <steve30000> o/
18:39:41 <Halcyon> Heya Steve :)
18:52:47 <steve30000> where have you been this last few days?#
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18:52:59 <Halcyon> I've been travelling for work the past week
18:53:03 <Halcyon> Just got home
18:54:54 <Halcyon> I am pretty impressed with my mobile provider though. Our accommodation was literally in the middle of no where, the nearest cell tower was about 35-40 kilometres away and I still managed 4G
18:55:02 <Halcyon> Mind you it was slow, but still, better than nothing at all
18:55:25 <steve30> cool
18:56:25 <Halcyon> What have you been up to this past week?
18:57:11 <steve30> not a huge amount. Shopping yesterday. Bike ride on Monday. Computering at the weekend.
18:58:11 <Halcyon> Hooray
18:58:16 * Halcyon prods Ampera and T3sl4
19:11:08 * steve30 hugs Halcyon
19:11:12 <Halcyon> Aww :)
19:38:08 <steve30> I think I'll try putting my pillow in the washing machine
19:57:37 <Halcyon> What's wrong with it?
19:58:00 <steve30> its a bit dirty
20:00:18 <Halcyon> Do it on a sunny day, it will take a good day or two to dry properly
20:02:59 <Halcyon> You'll get most of the water out with a high spin cycle, but you need to put it outside for the rest of it. Gentle cycle only otherwise it might come out lumpy depending on the type of filling.
20:05:11 <steve30> the label suggests a hot tumble drier
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20:42:12 <Yaakov`> Howdy, folks. Is this an active channel?
21:15:36 <EEVBlog1> New EEVBlog Tweet: RIP Dr Peuto, Zilog and Sun's bright SPARC https://t.co/b1H6QDFkuf via @theregister
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21:48:04 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
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21:59:25 <K> hello
22:12:57 * steve30 waves to Ampera
22:13:06 * Ampera choaks at steve30
22:13:15 <steve30> I've made some curry for tomorrow :)
22:13:32 <ibiza> did you make it in a hurry ?
22:14:01 <steve30> kinda, as I was doing several other things at the same time
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22:28:32 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera :)
22:28:35 <Halcyon> Did you miss me?
22:28:42 <Ampera> I miss being able to eat
22:28:44 <Ampera> or drink
22:28:47 <Ampera> or pretty much breathe
22:28:50 <Halcyon> Are you sick?
22:28:54 <Ampera> aye
22:29:06 <Halcyon> Also, Yaakov`: Yes it's active depending on your time zone
22:29:07 <Ampera> sore throat is the only symptom, but it's a hell of a symptom
22:29:18 <Halcyon> Mostly Aussies and American's in here with a sprinkling of UK
22:29:26 <Halcyon> Aw you poor thing :(
22:29:31 <Halcyon> Lemon water?
22:29:37 <Ampera> aspirin
22:29:44 <Ampera> lots and lots of aspirin
22:29:47 <Halcyon> I guess that would do too ?
22:29:54 * steve30 sprinkles into the channel with food
22:30:03 <Halcyon> What sort of food?
22:30:14 <steve30> fish cake and chips
22:30:23 <Ampera> I have a plate of pizza infront of me (took some because we had some last night and I couldn't eat it so I wanted to save some for myself before it was all gon), but I can't eat it without severe pain
22:30:26 <Halcyon> I'd eat that... with tartar sauce?
22:31:20 <steve30> Halcyon, my pillow is drying nicely in the tumble drier
22:31:30 <Ampera> why is your pillow wet?
22:31:46 <steve30> because i put it in the washing machine
22:31:54 <Ampera> why did you put it in the washing machine
22:32:17 <coppice> how else was he going to get it wet?
22:32:29 <Ampera> coppice, you've obviously never used a pillow.
22:32:48 <Ampera> mine can stand up on their own at this point
22:32:53 <Ampera> although I've had a couple shatter
22:33:02 <coppice> long experience has bolstered my knowledge of pillows
22:33:22 <Ampera> how long
22:33:32 <Halcyon> Ahhh
22:33:39 <Halcyon> My dryer is the outdoors
22:33:45 <Halcyon> Or ducted air, failing that
22:34:30 <Ampera> Halcyon, I have a song I can't get out of my head.
22:35:01 <steve30> we have a drier for winter use, although its nice today so i do have a garden full of washing hung outside
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22:38:05 <randoh> o/
22:38:19 <randoh> Guys, I need some advice..
22:38:20 <Ampera> \o
22:38:28 <Ampera> it's free until it's not
22:39:51 <randoh> Trying to use a PC817 to isolate the TX pin from an atmega48, from the data input of a max485.. I'm trying to use the "output low" version (the bottom one) seen here: https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1n.VJIXXXXXaLXpXXq6xXFXXX2/Hot-Sale-PC817-EL817-8-channel-opto-isolator-module-optical-coupling-isolation-module-3-5-12.jpg Currently, both resistors are
22:39:51 <randoh> 10k and I get a flat 5V from the optrons output, always... What could be wrong or what resistors would I need instead :/ ?
22:49:53 <Halcyon> Amps: What is the song?
22:51:51 <Ampera> if you intend to tag me use my damn name, Halcyon
22:51:54 <Ampera> otherwise idk if you've said something
22:52:02 <Halcyon> No
22:52:07 <Halcyon> Pay more attention to me :P
22:52:13 <Ampera> It's ELO's I Can't Get it Out of my Head.
22:52:45 <Halcyon> Ahh
22:52:57 <Ampera> that and Telephone Line, I seem to like ELO
22:53:16 <Halcyon> So it's not: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPwtJ89jes4
22:53:17 <Halcyon> :P
22:53:27 <Ampera> no
22:55:25 * steve30 coffees
22:56:20 * Halcyon wines
22:56:47 <steve30> I had a beer earlier
22:56:56 <Halcyon> Very butch of you
22:57:02 <Halcyon> Wait... was it warm?
22:57:18 <steve30> it was cool
22:57:28 <Halcyon> Good :)
22:57:36 <Halcyon> Not that I'm a beer drinker
22:58:11 <Ampera> y'all are weird
22:58:17 <Halcyon> How so?
22:58:35 <Ampera> you ever look in the mirror
22:58:44 <Ampera> stare directly into your own eyes
22:58:49 <Ampera> and want to die?
22:59:02 <Halcyon> Nopew
22:59:09 <Ampera> and that is why you are weird, and I am not
22:59:11 <Halcyon> I look in the mirror and want to re-do my hair
22:59:28 <Ampera> my hair is fucked, I've stopped trying to give a shit with it outside of washing it
22:59:46 <Ampera> I've seen cable drawers with less tangling.
22:59:57 <Halcyon> I have short hair compared to you
23:00:09 <Ampera> my hair is past my shoulders
23:01:08 <Halcyon> My hair doesn't even touch my ears
23:01:19 <Halcyon> Mainly due to work policy
23:02:31 <Ampera> I use my hair to help cover the hole currently burning in my soul
23:03:08 * Halcyon stuffs Ampera's hole
23:03:35 <Ampera> my parents warned me about this
23:03:41 <Halcyon> Stranger danger?
23:03:57 <Ampera> pedo danger :P
23:04:04 <Halcyon> Hahaha
23:04:31 <Halcyon> eevblog status
23:04:32 <EEVBlog1> EEVBlog's Latest Tweet: RIP Dr Peuto, Zilog and Sun's bright SPARC https://t.co/b1H6QDFkuf via @theregister
23:04:49 <Ampera> yes I know there's a 1 at the end of the name, that's because of AustNet being stupid
23:05:01 <Halcyon> ?
23:05:03 <Halcyon> Why?
23:05:07 <Ampera> and damian refusing to tell me if I can auth on connect instead of having to deal with their cataclysmically stupid authorization system
23:05:24 <Halcyon> Why couldn't you auth on connect?
23:05:34 <Halcyon> Most clients allow you to do it
23:05:37 <Ampera> because it doesn't accept the password in any known method I'm aware of
23:05:40 Quit: coppice ([email protected]) Quit: Konversation terminated!
23:05:52 <Ampera> I gave it the password, it refused to take it, it demands I do it via command
23:05:58 <Halcyon> Correct
23:06:07 <Ampera> but not like the PASS command, it demands I use nickop
23:06:13 <Halcyon> But on-connect you should be able to automatically enter any command you line
23:06:14 <Halcyon> like
23:06:21 <Ampera> I do
23:06:33 <Ampera> whenever my ZNC connects it sends the command to auth, but it will just forget it anyways
23:06:50 <Halcyon> I don't get it?
23:06:56 <Ampera> AfterNET has real AoC, in that it will accept username and password from the password line, but I have no clue how AustNet expects me to.
23:07:20 <Ampera> As in the ZNC will connect, give the password, but it seems like after a while (all of a sudden too), it will just demand it again for no reason
23:07:24 <Halcyon> Can't you just tell your client, once connected, issue the /identify [password] command?
23:07:32 <Ampera> yes, it will forget the password
23:07:59 <Halcyon> Alright, will need to work on that one with damian or ibiza *poke poke*
23:08:05 <Ampera> does the same on my account, every time I want to DM you I need to re-auth
23:08:13 <Ampera> even if I've already done it and never lost connection (that I know of)
23:08:21 <Halcyon> Might be some IP limitation or something
23:08:36 <Halcyon> As in it associates a host with a user
23:08:44 <Ampera> makes no sense, but ok
23:08:45 <Halcyon> Not expecting multiple users from one IP
23:08:51 <randoh> Oh well, no help today...
23:08:52 <Halcyon> It kind of does, but it's antiquated
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23:09:21 <Halcyon> randoh: Sorry, not my speciality. What was your original question?
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23:10:28 <Ampera> I can do it manually from my IRC client, and for the longest time it would keep that info, but now it just doesn't
23:10:44 <Halcyon> That's OK, we can resolve this
23:11:01 <Ampera> well I've been complaining about this since I joined AustNet :P
23:11:23 <Halcyon> I'm not going to do anything tonight, but will look at it over this weekend
23:11:30 <Halcyon> Tonight is about relaxing and not using my brain
23:11:52 <Ampera> all I'm waiting for is the pizdec in my throat to calm the fuck down
23:12:02 <Halcyon> pizdec?
23:12:06 <Ampera> it's on its way out, but will probably take the rest of the day
23:12:18 <Ampera> crude latinization of a russian word meaning fucked up/disaster
23:12:25 <Halcyon> Ah
23:12:48 <Ampera> I've exhausted my satisfaction in english profanities, and have to branch out to other languages.
23:13:00 <Halcyon> The Brits have a whole bunch
23:13:08 <rust_collector> more cheeki breeki
23:13:08 <Halcyon> Bollocks is one of my favourites
23:13:10 <Ampera> >english profanities
23:13:22 * Ampera hard basses rust_collector into a brick wall
23:13:38 <Ampera> bollocks is english, and also rather weak
23:13:56 <Ampera> I prefer fat cunt if I wish to step outside of americanisms (with cunt having a different connotation in the US)
23:14:02 * rust_collector has a squat session
23:25:01 <Halcyon> Feeling the burn rust_collector ?
23:26:46 <rust_collector> no no, just squatting down, eating sunflower seeds
23:27:37 <Ampera> A380 to end production in 2021
23:27:49 <rust_collector> I have been slightly sick all week, so I get dizzy and have to sit down for a while, If I go upstairs, so no workout stuff for me, lol
23:28:34 <Ampera> My immune system seems to be doing a bang up job, my cold started about 24 hours ago and is nearly nearly gone.
23:28:42 <coppice> Ampera: the 747 is also close to that point
23:28:43 <K> it's a trap
23:28:58 <rust_collector> but the 747 is ancient already
23:29:02 <Ampera> Big planes just don't make economic sense anymore, at least in the passenger market.
23:29:22 <Ampera> The 747 has an impressive legacy, and will be used for years and years to come, but primarily as a cargo plane.
23:29:32 <coppice> rust_collectors: what Ampera just said is the kety factor, not the age of the products
23:29:56 <steve30> Halcyon, are you doing anything for valentines day?
23:29:58 <rust_collector> I know, just saying it already had a good run
23:30:01 <Ampera> Because small planes can be more and more efficient, it doesn't make sense to have trunk routes anymore, and things can be far more point to point.
23:30:02 <coppice> Ampera: they don't seem to be building and freighters right now
23:30:07 <coppice> building any
23:30:16 <Yaakov`> Hello, Ampera. Good to know. I violate my time zone, getting up at about 4AM.
23:30:17 <Ampera> Doesn't matter, cargo planes are almost always old planes.
23:30:21 <Halcyon> Steve: It's 2330 here
23:30:27 <Halcyon> My Valentines day is done and dusted
23:30:44 <Halcyon> I'm about ready for bed
23:30:53 <coppice> Ampera: A lot of frieghters are built to order. They have few windows
23:30:56 <Ampera> It's just cheaper to buy planes used, and fuel efficiency isn't as important when you don't run cargo planes as constant as you would a passenger jet.
23:31:27 <rust_collector> you can get away with more duct tape holding them together too
23:31:40 <Ampera> coppice, many, perhaps, but I'd still imagine there are a large number of reused passenger planes, and very old service cargo planes
23:32:25 <Yaakov`> rust_collector: I hope that's aircraft grade duct tape you are using.
23:32:42 <coppice> Ampera: its a mix, sure, but Airbus and Boeing both have specific frieghter variants which sell in significant numbers. They don't seem to have any orders for 747 ones right now
23:33:16 <Ampera> I think that just might be because cargo lines already have a lot of 747s
23:33:33 <Ampera> my point is that even beyond the death of their production, they will be used until they fall apart
23:35:21 <coppice> Ampera: that depends a lot on fuel efficiency, and the price of fuel at the time
23:35:54 <Ampera> but that's what I'm saying, in the cargo market, fuel efficiency isn't as important, since they aren't being run all day like passenger jets.
23:35:55 <coppice> Ampera: you see waves of freighters going out of service each time fuel prices rise
23:36:09 * Ampera shrugs
23:36:37 <coppice> what do you mean? Freighters spend a much higher proportion of their lives in the air burnign fuel
23:36:38 <Ampera> I happen to just know a little from my own logic and what I read, I don't really have enough insight to make precise statements
23:37:04 <Ampera> I've heard differently, but just don't really know for sure
23:37:46 <coppice> Well, possibly not ths month, as the global economy is shrinking right now
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