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00:53:09 <Ampera> sorry I was in bed dying
00:53:55 <coppice> Ampera: so, it didn't work out then?
00:53:58 <T3sl4> glad you took some time out of your busy schedule to stop by and say hi :)
00:54:09 <Ampera> coppice, the dying?
00:54:33 <coppice> unless this is your ghost or bot talking, it would seem so
00:54:42 <T3sl4> EEVBlog: dead?
00:54:54 <T3sl4> hmm, inconclusive
00:55:14 <Ampera> Yeah I'm actually dead, I have a complicated system of bots, scripts, and post-mortem mechanisms that make it seem like I'm alive.
00:55:31 <Ampera> I don't actually waste my time listening to old music, sitting on ass, and eating crap, I've just been setting this all up
00:55:32 <Ampera> q.q
00:55:57 <Ampera> my warm lemon didn't do anything :(
00:56:02 <Ampera> if anything it made it all worse
00:56:26 <T3sl4> if you stick a lemon up your arse will it get cooked?
00:56:51 <Ampera> Idk, T3sl4 bend over, lemme try it out.
00:56:59 * T3sl4 unzips
00:57:00 <coppice> T3sl4: 37C is too cool to denature the lemon
00:57:22 <Ampera> what about 98.6?
00:57:34 <T3sl4> are you calling me hot?
00:57:43 <Ampera> I ain't calling you ugly.
00:57:56 <T3sl4> that's the nicest thing you've ever said to me <3
00:58:03 <Ampera> ew icky gay
00:58:19 <T3sl4> ichigay is that a japanese character?
00:58:31 <Ampera> idk I don't watch anime
01:34:03 <coppice> ichigay == one homosexual? can one of anything be hetero<anything>
01:34:28 <Ampera> One out of an identical set of two?
01:34:39 <Ampera> Hetero is one out of an opposite set of two?
01:35:12 <coppice> Like Shrodingers twin cats?
01:35:50 <Ampera> That's an identical and opposite set of two.
01:36:16 <T3sl4> likewise, one-homo is rather tautological
01:36:46 * Ampera throws a frozen baked potato at T3sl4
01:37:07 <coppice> isn't tautology the study of fitness?
01:38:14 <T3sl4> the study of fitness baked potato down my face
01:39:07 <T3sl4> also, the study of an eastern religion
01:39:25 <coppice> The less intellectual person might assume tautology is the study of teaching techniques
01:41:57 <coppice> In the same way this might assume rote learning needs to be accompanied by read learning.
01:42:12 <Ampera> I thought it was the study of bodies under stress.
01:42:15 <coppice> s/this/they
01:42:24 <T3sl4> that'd be taughtology
01:42:29 <Ampera> no it's fine, objectify me, I can take it
01:42:36 <coppice> Ampera: I think that's a stretch
01:42:54 <Ampera> coppice, cut me some slack.
01:51:06 <T3sl4> it's okay, let him lose
01:53:14 * T3sl4 puts a plate of freshly baked chocolate chip cookies in the channel
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02:10:10 <T3sl4> Ampera, another bot idea: randomly take someone's message, put "yeah, " in front of it, maybe accent/format it to make it stand out
02:10:19 <T3sl4> (the example i saw was it makes it allcaps)
02:11:03 <Ampera> Might be an interesting random payload
02:11:25 <T3sl4> yeah
02:12:21 <steve30> I've updated the PowerMac G4 to OS 9.2
02:12:36 <steve30> ooh, chocolate chip cookies
02:12:54 <T3sl4> they go well with coffee ;)
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03:20:08 <Bluenote> Anybody messed around with IceStorm?
03:55:22 <T3sl4> Nah. We're only having a SnowStorm today
04:05:10 <Bluenote> Already got my fill of those for the month.
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09:44:11 <Halcyon> *yawns*
09:57:33 <ibiza> wb
10:00:53 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
10:00:59 <Halcyon> Morning :)
10:01:04 <Ampera> that's your opinion
10:01:20 <Halcyon> eevblog time
10:01:20 <EEVBlog1> Ah shoot, Doc! We've ended up at 10:05 Sydney time.
10:01:28 <Halcyon> Facts are facts
10:01:36 <Ampera> when you have a time machine >:D
10:01:44 <Halcyon> :P
10:01:58 <Ampera> dear god help me I can't stop listening to ELO
10:02:47 <Halcyon> I need to upgrade my NAS, I'm quickly running out of space
10:02:56 <Ampera> I need to actually have some network storage.
10:03:05 <Ampera> that's not just SFTP on my desktop
10:03:28 <Halcyon> *nod*
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10:03:42 <Halcyon> I built mine probably about 7-8 years ago now
10:03:49 <Halcyon> It only has 8x 2TB drives
10:03:50 * EEVBlog pets the T3sl4
10:03:57 <Halcyon> Heheh
10:04:14 <Ampera> I have one 2TB drive in my desktop, and that's all I use for mass storage.
10:05:10 <Halcyon> Do you back up?
10:06:00 <Ampera> lolno, too poor for that shit
10:06:37 <Ampera> I diversify my storage of important files, so if any one machine or instalation dies, I have backups of things that are not replacable.
10:06:44 <Halcyon> Fair enough
10:07:01 <Ampera> but most of my data can be immediately redownloaded, or is not important to hold onto.
10:08:00 <Ampera> I'm going to at some point get a nice central server than I can do all that backup NAS stuff, but for now I don't have anything to do that.
10:08:53 <Halcyon> :)
10:09:05 <Halcyon> Disks are the expensive part, if you want to do it properly
10:09:49 <Ampera> everything is the expensive part, I just want to afford a machine at this point.
10:10:49 <Halcyon> I'd like to go up to 8x 6TB disks but it'll cost me about $2800
10:11:00 <Ampera> I simply don't have that much stuff to store.
10:11:16 <Halcyon> I didn't previously, but I'm finding myself storing more and more media
10:11:17 <Ampera> I'd likely try to get a handful of 2TB drives on the cheap if I wanted to do some nice stuff.
10:12:28 <Halcyon> Consumer desktop drives are cheap
10:12:42 <Ampera> that's what I'd use
10:13:03 <Ampera> that or things like refurb hitachis
10:14:16 <Halcyon> $80 for a 2TB Segate
10:14:33 <Ampera> fuck segate
10:14:40 <Ampera> and that's more expensive than my 2TB Hitachi
10:14:41 <Halcyon> You could get cheaper but then you start going into the 5400RPM category
10:14:54 <Halcyon> I use Hitachi Ultrastar's
10:14:59 <Halcyon> But they aren't cheap :(
10:15:53 <Ampera> Halcyon, one second.
10:17:09 <Ampera> Refurb Hitachi 2TB 7.2k 36.99
10:17:28 <Halcyon> So about $50 AUD
10:17:44 <Halcyon> What sort of warranty do you get with refurbished drives?
10:17:52 <Ampera> lol
10:17:58 <Ampera> what's a warranty
10:18:05 <Halcyon> Oh gees, really?
10:18:13 <Ampera> 90 days
10:18:24 <Halcyon> I suppose that's reasonable for a used drive
10:18:25 <Ampera> in other words, if it's DOA they'll give you a new one
10:18:35 <Ampera> I have one of them in my PC and it's been going 24/7 for years
10:18:44 <Ampera> really nice drive, I wouldn't mind a bunch of them
10:18:54 <Halcyon> I don't know if I'd trust refurbished disks in my NAS though, drives generally tend to fail early or fail late
10:19:17 <Halcyon> I love HGST drives, it sucks they are now owned by WD :(
10:19:18 <Ampera> That's why you make backups.
10:19:29 <Ampera> I mean WD is the only good drive company left.
10:19:32 <Ampera> Seagate can go eat shit
10:19:42 <Halcyon> True, but it gets harder and harder to back up multi-TB data sets
10:19:57 <Halcyon> Yeh not a fan of Seagate, had too many issues in the past
10:20:00 <Ampera> that's why I don't have mutli-TB data sets, and just order twice the storage I need.
10:20:16 <Ampera> which is basically 3 of those drives and calling it a day
10:24:14 <Halcyon> I'm in a holding pattern at the moment, my next upgrade to my NAS would need to last another 5+ years
10:24:42 <Halcyon> I'm seriously considering SSDs when the price comes down to more reasonable levels for 2 and 4TB drives
10:24:44 <Ampera> Idk I kinda wanna do something interesting with a potential central storage system, and I'm not sure if ZFS is interesting enough
10:25:03 <Halcyon> "Interesting" ?
10:25:07 <Ampera> do you have 10gbps?
10:25:20 <Halcyon> No but it's planned. My servers have 10Gbit NICs in them
10:25:30 <Ampera> I'd do that before SSDs
10:25:35 <Ampera> otherwise what's the point
10:25:46 <Halcyon> Longevity, less heat, less power
10:26:01 <Ampera> and shit tons more cost with limited write cycles
10:26:20 <Halcyon> Problem for NASs aren't so much the write cycles
10:26:28 <Halcyon> Data just sits there for the most part and doesn't change
10:26:58 <Ampera> depends on what you use the NAS for
10:27:12 <Ampera> if it stores version controling stuff, then maybe a bit more
10:27:18 <Halcyon> My biggest concern is when are my spinning rust drives going to pack it in. I'm scared one day I'll power the server down and the disks won't spin back up again
10:28:12 <Halcyon> 7+ years of continuous operation is quite a lot. Motors and bearings wear out
10:31:48 <Halcyon> I probably should grab a could of cheap consumer drives and just create a quick and dirty backup of everything
10:32:12 <Ampera> if only tape drives weren't so expensiive
10:32:18 <Halcyon> I know
10:32:23 <Halcyon> I have an LTO2 drive
10:32:32 <Halcyon> But the last backup I did spanned over 40 tapes
10:32:56 <Ampera> that's pussy excuses, take a floppy drive and a warehouse full of diskettes and get to swapping
10:32:58 <Ampera> fucking now bitch
10:33:02 <Halcyon> Hahaha
10:33:27 <Halcyon> Reminds me of a copy of Windows 3.11 I had on 12 disks. Disk 10 or 11 was a bit dodgy, half the time the install would fail
10:33:38 <Ampera> that's why I stick that shit on CDs
10:33:49 <Halcyon> Back then it wasn't an option
10:34:16 <Halcyon> I don't think we even had a CD-ROM drive until we upgraded to Windows 95
10:34:27 <Ampera> my 486 has a CD drive
10:34:28 <Halcyon> Even then it was a x2 speed drive
10:34:46 <Ampera> have you ever considered stop being porr?
10:35:03 <Halcyon> We're talking mid 1990's here
10:35:10 <Ampera> have you ever considered stop being porr?
10:35:21 <Halcyon> Actually no, I lie, our 486 did have a drive as well
10:35:43 <Halcyon> It was a Creative drive with one of those non-IDE interfaces that connected to the sound card
10:57:40 <DHess_US> I would settle for bonded 1G but it is not universally supported and reasonably priced 10G switches are available now. https://mikrotik.com/product/crs305_1g_4s_in
10:58:14 <Halcyon> The problem with bonding is that it doesn't just give you a 2Gbit link
10:58:32 <Halcyon> If you're reading/writing from a single IP/MAC, you'll only get 1Gbit
10:58:43 <DHess_US> It doesn't on Windows but it does on LInux or BSD.
10:58:57 <Halcyon> If it's one to many, then yes, you can get 2Gbit throughput
10:59:00 <DHess_US> It requires round-robin schedules which is hard on the IP stack.
10:59:07 <Halcyon> *nod*
10:59:15 <Halcyon> It's just easier to buy a new switch
10:59:23 <DHess_US> Windows doesn't support it natively but some Windows drivers supported it at one time.
10:59:33 <Halcyon> I never had much luck with it
10:59:51 <Halcyon> The only thing I have bonded are my NAS and ESXi servers
11:00:10 <DHess_US> I had good results with it on 100M ports but back then it was better supported.
11:00:45 <DHess_US> 10G is still a step too far for consumer stuff.
11:01:20 <Halcyon> For the most part yes
11:01:35 <Halcyon> And most of the time I don't need it either, but it would be nice to have faster write speeds to my NAS
11:01:44 <Ampera> I've thought about using non-networking based links intended for shorter distances.
11:01:44 <Halcyon> As it is now, I max out the 1Gbps link
11:02:06 <Ampera> Things like SCSI/SAS, or trying to do something interesting with USB 3.1
11:02:07 <DHess_US> I've maxe dout 1G for years now.
11:02:44 <Halcyon> *nod* As I was saying before, I built my current NAS about 7 years ago
11:03:00 <Halcyon> I sustain 110-120MB/sec write speeds
11:03:25 <Ampera> I have no clue how fast my network storage is over gigabit wired, SFTP has a bit of overhead.
11:03:51 <DHess_US> But that reasonably priced SPF+ switch gives me hope.
11:52:59 <mrpackethead> anyone know of U.FL connector that is also switched
12:22:53 <Halcyon> I don't even know what a U.FL connector is
12:23:11 <Halcyon> Ohhh one of those
12:28:31 <Halcyon> YAY, I'm eligible for online voting from this year
12:30:36 <Halcyon> Hah, although this is a bit rich.... "Not all browsers are supported by iVote due to security concerns, however recent versions of Internet Explorer, Firefox, Google Chrome, and Safari are all compatible with the iVote software."
12:30:42 <Halcyon> Didn't they stop making IE?
12:39:47 <T3sl4> oh what
12:39:49 <T3sl4> that was weird
12:40:07 <T3sl4> i click-and-dragged on a PDF in chrome, and got a mobile style selector (with the teardrops at the ends)
12:40:27 <T3sl4> trying it again, it won't do it, just the regular text cursor selection
12:41:28 <T3sl4> seems to only do it on first selection after opening the document
12:44:36 <Halcyon> Strange
12:44:41 <Halcyon> Oooh Big Clive is on live
12:52:54 <coppice> T3sl4: trying to become a true luddite?
12:53:28 <T3sl4> that's not a very weighty statement to deliver via IRC :)
13:01:29 <Ampera> I have a tall glass of milk and a can of squid in garlic oil
13:02:13 * Ampera throws a tentacle at T3sl4
13:02:20 <T3sl4> owo
13:02:55 * Ampera UwU's T3sl4
13:04:05 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/PZLUIQS.mp4
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13:31:10 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RT @stephendziedzic: BREAKING Australia's major political parties have been hacked by a "sophisticated state actor." Full statement by the…
13:32:11 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: So this just happened... One of my childhood heroes called me up today to ask for my advice. So yeah, my day is going kinda great.
13:36:11 <T3sl4> hah
13:46:48 <Halcyon> I'm guessing it wasn't Carl Sagan
13:49:33 <T3sl4> no way his kid ever asks for his advice
13:49:54 <Halcyon> Big Clive's stream is pretty good
13:49:58 <Halcyon> I like him talking shit
13:57:32 <Ampera> I'm about to go into nyquil induced catatonia
13:58:18 <Ampera> I love nyquil induced catatonias
13:58:19 <Ampera> good night
14:03:17 <T3sl4> o/
14:04:01 <Halcyon> Sweet dreams
14:04:15 * Halcyon noms on Baby Bel cheese
14:05:07 <T3sl4> mmm
14:05:14 <T3sl4> sweet dreams are made of cheese
14:05:19 <Halcyon> Heheh
14:05:23 <Halcyon> Good song
14:05:35 <T3sl4> Who am I to diss a 'Bel?
14:21:34 <Halcyon> Do you use tape backup at all T3sl4 ?
14:38:18 <T3sl4> negative
14:46:38 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RT @z_thorben: @eevblog do you think there is still any magic smoke left in there? https://t.co/pBjnMatEs4
14:47:19 <T3sl4> hahaha wow, did treez make that one?
14:47:28 <T3sl4> (obv not, it's got those pricey tants)
14:47:51 <T3sl4> which, yuck, tants between two fuckoff huge bolt posts
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15:53:19 <Halcyon> That's not good T3sl4 ?
15:53:40 <T3sl4> more to the point seems to be the tants directly across "battery" :/
15:53:49 <Halcyon> Hm
15:53:57 <Halcyon> Wouldn't that be the output to something?
15:54:50 <T3sl4> Halcyon: they're not ceramics, but i still don't think i'd want to put them right up on big mechanical mounts. Tant is notorious for being unsuitable for high current and surge applications, wouldn't be surprised if the pictured result happened after plugging in the battery
15:55:01 <Halcyon> I see
15:55:28 <T3sl4> doesn't look like the output is very small either, what is that, like a 30A inductor? again, lots of current available :/
16:24:45 <Halcyon> I'm curious as how they got the moulds for these: https://edibleanus.com
16:27:50 <Halcyon> Oh wait... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elQGa97sNFM
16:29:30 <T3sl4> oh, it's not a face cast of you? /rimshot
16:30:25 <Halcyon> :P
16:30:39 <Halcyon> I will make you a penis chocolate
16:32:47 <T3sl4> i'd put it in an edibleanus, but the aspect of chocolate that makes it suitable as a phallus makes it rather unsuitable for a working anus :/
16:33:10 <Halcyon> Mm indeed
16:48:46 <steve30> My AmigaOne G4's CPU board has tantalums right next to the screw
16:49:07 <steve30> so close that screwing/unscrewing can break it off
16:49:42 <T3sl4> :/
16:52:13 <steve30> I'm hoping to go swimming this morning
16:55:02 * steve30 hugs T3sl4
16:55:11 * T3sl4 scritches steve30
16:55:52 <steve30> *purr*
16:55:59 <T3sl4> :)
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