// #eevblog — 2019-02-21
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04:32:10 <AustUser09> Hi
04:33:45 <Ampera> Hello
04:34:19 <AustUser09> How are you doing
04:35:06 <Ampera> Alright.
04:35:18 <Ampera> Coughing my throat to shreds at the moment, but besides that fine.
04:36:42 <AustUser09> Good luck surviving that
04:38:28 <AustUser09> I have an old PC power supply. Any ideas
04:38:33 <Ampera> it'll be gone in a few days, it's just the last remnants of a cold
04:38:37 <Ampera> What manufacturer?
04:38:41 <AustUser09> HP
04:38:59 <Ampera> use it as a very uncomfortable paperweight
04:39:06 <Ampera> and then harvest the cable and connectors from it
04:39:19 <Ampera> HP power supplies (AT/ATX style) are notorious for being fire hazards.
04:39:51 <K> salvage connectors
04:40:42 <Ampera> If the capacitors are of decent make and not too close to the capacitor plague of the 90's and early 2000's, then those might be useful, might also find some use for the metal box.
04:41:14 <AustUser09> I'll probably do that
04:41:58 <Ampera> In general old computer power supplies are risky business, there are only a few brands I'd even consider using as old, since so many of them just like to eat shit, and they often take other parts with them when they do.
04:45:27 <AustUser09> Yeah I'll try to salvage some components and connectors but other than that it's useless to me
04:46:43 <DHess_US> Have no need for a high power 12 volt supply?
04:47:20 <AustUser09> No, not really
04:47:41 <rust_collector> how about a 5 volt supply, lol
04:47:48 <Ampera> I wouldn't trust it for that at all.
04:47:59 <DHess_US> Figured out my network problem last night after a few hours. It had nothing to do with my 19 year old router. Stupid Zyxel network appliance was ARPing things it should not have been.
04:48:05 <Ampera> OEM supplies from people like HP and Dell are ususally the cheapest shit they can find.
04:48:22 <AustUser09> I don't plan to burn any houses with it
04:48:50 <DHess_US> Ordered two more TP-Link TL-SG108e switchs after testing one out. They seem nice.
04:49:16 <rust_collector> well, any cheap shit hp and dell can find, is probably a better value than the more expensive shit you can get from anywhere else
04:50:09 <DHess_US> I don't know. I think ATX power supply quality has generally decreased over the past 20 years.
04:50:47 <rust_collector> tp-link is almost not a thing over here. I do like the tiny "apple charger" looking router they have
04:50:55 <rust_collector> never tried one
04:51:02 <DHess_US> I've been buying Corsair and Seasonic but I think next I will try EVGA.
04:51:19 <Ampera> EVGA doesn't make supplies, they rebrand Seasonics.
04:51:24 <DHess_US> tp-link makes some metal cased switches like the old Bay Networks stuff.
04:51:38 <DHess_US> Well, that's fine then. EVGA gives a better deal than Seasonic.
04:51:39 <Ampera> Corsair does make supplies, but sometimes they also rebrand Seasonics. Seasonic is basically the big name in the game.
04:52:00 <Ampera> I have an EVGA supply though, works way better than the cheap no name supply that started to eat shit a while ago.
04:52:14 <DHess_US> I've had a couple of older Corsair TX supplies fail.
04:52:27 <DHess_US> Or maybe HX. I forget.
04:52:58 <DHess_US> One company I know never to buy power supplies from now is Vantec.
04:53:03 <Ampera> I've stopped buying cheap supplies, and tend to just buy nicer supplies when they come cheap to keep them around.
04:53:10 <Ampera> I have a 450W EVGA supply banging around here somewhere
04:53:45 <DHess_US> I made a big table comparing Corsair, Seasonic, and EVGA. EVGA has the best power and warranty for price atm.
04:57:10 <coppice> don't Seasonic make most of the EVGA models?
04:58:46 <DHess_US> So Ampera says but that dosn't mean they are the same units.
04:58:48 <Ampera> What is it with people saying the exact same thing I just said?
04:59:11 <DHess_US> Usually an OEM like Seasonic contracts to produce them using a customized design.
04:59:27 <coppice> well, Corsair and EVGA make nothing, so its someone else making them
04:59:37 <DHess_US> Like Tektronix had their multimeters made by Appa
04:59:37 <Ampera> Corsair makes PSUs
05:00:00 <DHess_US> But you could never buy a Tektronix equivalent DMM from Appa.
05:00:17 <coppice> Ampera: where have you seen that?
05:00:36 <Ampera> Let me find the source for that, but I heard they made their higher end PSUs, and maybe even their entire line now.
05:01:10 <coppice> people usually try to steer clear of making PSUs, unless they are a really big OEM
05:01:29 <Ampera> Idk, not sure where I saw that, but I had heard they did.
05:01:54 <coppice> I heard Neil Armstrong never walked in the moon
05:02:08 <DHess_US> It wouldn't surprise me that Seasonic OEMs for a lot of others.
05:02:16 <Ampera> Maybe I was wrong
05:04:43 <coppice> I think Seasonic prices some of their stuff high in the retail market to avoid pissing off the other brands they manufacture for
05:07:22 <DHess_US> Even if they didn't, it would likely still be cheaper for them to contract out to Seasonic for production.
05:08:25 <coppice> people mean a lot of things by "make our own stuff" these days, down to just putting the bits in the carton
05:10:17 <DHess_US> The two things I looked at were warranty and power per price. For the same price, I can get a larger power unit for greater derating.
05:10:34 <DHess_US> And EVGA has longer warranties than Seasonic or Corsair.
05:11:16 <coppice> quality affects the price a kit. simply a production run of the same design with better caps can make a significant difference to both price and longevity
05:11:23 <coppice> s/kit/lot
05:11:56 <DHess_US> Sure, but those kinds of details are not available unless I buy and tear the units apart and even that is really not enough.
05:12:16 <coppice> Sure, at the end of the day its a crap shoot
05:13:17 <rust_collector> I want to have a chat with the guy that designed this XFX graphics card... It ran hot, so it melted its glue, and glued the fan stuck, lol
05:13:25 <coppice> There are people like SPI who have oscillated between being one of the best and one of the worst sources for supplies
05:15:28 <DHess_US> I've seen a lot of that with graphics cards. The first thing I look for in reviews is junction temperature under full load.
05:19:24 <rust_collector> I never look at reviews on graphics cards, because the kids will just tell me it is ancient and can not be used any more
05:20:45 <DHess_US> I specificlaly look for the temperature measurements.
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05:35:58 <DHess_US> https://www.tp-link.com/us/products/details/cat-5711_TL-SG108E.html#overview
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05:36:51 <DHess_US> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833704358
05:37:54 <DHess_US> Usually I would have bought a very similar Netgear (Bay Networks) like the GS108T but Netgear's newer switches do not support web configuration. You can only use their applicaiton.
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06:16:48 <Bluenote> Eww. App-driven network device configuration. That's just...why?
06:29:42 <DHess_US> Netgear might have claimed because HTTP is a security problem. Also, embedded devices have problems supporting HTTPS because they cannot easily update security certificates.
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15:25:37 <Ampera> Halcyon: http://prntscr.com/mnz3eu
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17:16:40 <jackbrown> hello does anyone know which is the name of the 2 PIN female connector in this kit ? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/8pcs-Universal-Notebook-Laptop-AC-DC-Power-Charger-with-wire-Supply-Adapter-Tips-Connector-Jack-to/32855573447.html
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19:24:06 <Halcyon> That's awesome Ampera
19:24:11 <Halcyon> I'm still waiting for mine
19:24:22 <Halcyon> I got the piece of couch side perk
19:30:19 <steve30> hi
19:31:45 * steve30 meows at Halcyon
19:32:16 * Halcyon gives Steve some kibble
19:34:46 <steve30> hmm
19:35:18 <Halcyon> Or do you prefer wet food? :P
19:36:40 * steve30 has coffee and a chocolate biscuit
19:36:50 <Halcyon> I has wine
19:36:53 <Halcyon> I just got home from work
19:45:56 * steve30 hugs Halcyon
19:46:52 <Halcyon> aww *hug*
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20:35:05 * T3sl4 hugs Halcyon
20:36:20 <T3sl4> Halcyon: i usually give him stevetreats, which seem well enough appreciated :D :P
20:38:15 <Halcyon> Are they anything like Choc Drops?
20:38:50 <Halcyon> https://www.petfoodindustry.com/directories/114-pet-food-product-database/listing/3550-good-boy-s-choc-drops
20:39:27 <steve30> hmm, stevetreats sounds tasty
20:40:18 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJA3dYwIB3s
20:41:18 <Halcyon> Bahahaha
20:41:22 <Halcyon> Leee-murrr
20:42:24 <Halcyon> OOOOKKK.... I might just leave it there :P
20:43:13 * steve30 curls up on top of T3sl4's monitor
20:43:35 * T3sl4 puts on some high resolution graphics
20:43:48 <Halcyon> Hehe I doubt T3sl4 uses a CRT anymore
20:44:04 <T3sl4> you say that, but you forget it's winter here
20:44:39 <Halcyon> You do use a CRT?
20:45:24 <T3sl4> https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/Apartment5.jpg this is a bit out of date, but not fundamentally so
20:47:07 <steve30> why is there plastic over the windows?
20:47:19 <T3sl4> cuz the windows are farking cold
20:47:42 <Halcyon> It's to keep the smell of his hydro house from seeping out
20:51:39 <T3sl4> you wish :P
20:51:46 <Halcyon> :P
20:55:23 <steve30> I think its time for some food
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