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38:24 <Damalon01> yo
07:46 <chaoticwaffle> Anyone on?
07:57 <chaoticwaffle> The IRC isn't working for me.
34:59 <s_gmusic> rawrg
53:23 <Steven> yay, homebrew gm gave me permission to change from wizard to arcanist
55:50 <Steven> rockin that School Savant
26:19 <s_gmusic> y'know... i still need to look over the archetypes in the ACG.
32:14 <Steven> some of em pretty beast
32:22 <Steven> luckily the most powerful of them has been banned
33:34 <s_gmusic> our VL is surprised the White Mage archetype wasn't banned.
38:06 <Steven> meh... thats not really all that great.
39:12 <s_gmusic> inquisitor archetype that gives the Slayer's Studied Target, talents, and sneak attack. :\
40:17 <s_gmusic> you lose your Judgments for it all, though.
40:57 <Steven> i'd rather have judgements
45:13 <s_gmusic> hey, look! another semi-divine class has an archetype that makes it a monk!
45:18 <s_gmusic> :|
48:58 <Avatar> yeah white mage didn't look very impressive to me either
49:42 <Avatar> I feel like paizo are dropping the ball quite a bit this month with post-gencon stuff
50:08 <Avatar> I think it is
50:09 <Steven> They increased what they were doing without doing a matching increase in staff.
50:19 <Avatar> if you're going to release a bunch of major material at the busiest time of the year, they have to be prepared to do the fixes pretty soon afterwards
50:53 <Avatar> I don't see the logic for releasing it at gencon
51:09 <Avatar> other than trying to get "an explosion of greatness" happening all at once
51:15 <Avatar> because gencon
51:21 <Steven> its the biggest convention for gaming in the country.
51:43 <Steven> biggest concentration of gamers together at once, having a shiney new thing drives sales
55:05 <Avatar> releasing it early isn't going to un-drive sales
55:40 <Avatar> it'll still be a New Thing, and it'll have released fixes and doesn't collide with the rest of the shenanigans going on
59:37 <Avatar> there was this fantastic pathfinder database site that works similarly to mekkis' database and I have completely lost it
00:16 <Avatar> not like d20pfsrd, you could do things like look for feats that have dodge as a pre-requisite, or items that had something to do with dimension door
02:24 <Steven> save that if they release it at gencon those people going to gencon will spend money on the book at gencon.
02:45 <Steven> and because they are in the store picking it up they are more likely to buy other things.
03:09 <Steven> so they get foot traffic into their store
03:14 <Steven> which draws more people into the store.
03:21 <Avatar> what store
03:27 <Avatar> isn't gencon a convention 
03:43 <Steven> yes, but it has a dealers hall, which you pay for floor space and you can sell stuff out of it.
04:05 <Avatar> right
04:29 <Avatar> slightly flawed logic, but makes more than the no-sense I was seeing
04:49 <Steven> its the dumbest thing, but people will see a line and they will stand in it just to see what the big deal is about.
05:08 <Steven> and once they are in they will buy something just because they invested all that time waiting in line.
05:36 <Steven> fucking baffling, but it works.
06:17 <Avatar> yeah I guess
06:34 <Avatar> do you know anything about THE PATHS WE CHOOSE
06:42 <Steven> yes, i ran it at gencon
06:54 <Avatar> ok well how do I be a sczarni guy in it when it no longer exists
07:54 <Steven> well you can switch your faction
08:08 <Steven> the best choice is probably the exchange.
08:18 <Steven> and then you just say hey i'm part of the exchange
08:23 <Avatar> what if I didn't choose the exchange
08:49 <Avatar> does that mean I've cut all ties or does my history still count
09:27 <Steven> the sczarni and qadira joined forces, you're still a money loving rat bastard.
10:01 <Avatar> my sczarni guy was a paladin there to make sure the money loving rat bastards were kept in check
10:12 <Avatar> the goals of the exchange don't fit that anymore
10:27 <Steven> then you can still do the same thing, by making sure the exchange fulfill their bargains.
11:19 <Avatar> but they make bargains now
11:22 <Avatar> they don't cheat people out of them
11:54 <Avatar> original question: does my history still count or not?
12:07 <Avatar> I'm only interested for the purposes of this scenario
12:07 <Steven> yes, your history always counts.
12:20 <Avatar> I'm not going to miss out on a boon or something 
12:36 <Steven> but if you're not exchange and no one else is, there isnt going to be a lot for you to do with the exchange.
12:44 <Steven> so you wont run that particlar part of the scenario
13:28 <Avatar> right, so it is vital then
13:39 <Avatar> f
14:21 <Steven> it is not vital... pick a faction you'll run the missions that are important to the factions at the table.
15:12 <Avatar> the sczarni mission is important to this character if it's got anything to do with the past
21:07 <Steven> there are no boons to worry about, its just storyline.  If you choose to transfer over to the Exchange you use up your free faction change and then you'll have to pay prestige to transfer if you dont wanna keep doing trade missions
22:11 <Avatar> yeah exactly
11:40 <Steven> suuuuuuup
19:53 <Avatar> suuuuuuup
20:18 <Avatar> check out the unsworn shaman archetype in the ACG
22:38 <Steven> yeah.
25:53 <Steven> i seen that... it is alright.
38:39 <Steven> back.
49:21 <lels> is anyone even in here
49:34 <Steven> yes.
50:05 <lels> cool
50:07 <lels> what's goingon
50:10 <Steven> there are at least 12 people here.
50:25 <lels> Sweet.
50:39 <lels> It seemed quiet
50:44 <Steven> usually is.
50:51 <lels> Makes sense
51:00 <Steven> we do a lot of lurking.
51:22 <lels> indeed
51:51 <lels> so what do people usually talk about here?
52:01 <Steven> Pathfinder.
52:07 <lels> cool
52:23 <lels> I was going to get some pathfinder stuff
52:32 <lels> and then I got confused
53:01 <lels> It's a bit overwhelming if you never played an rpg game before
55:01 <Steven> can be, my suggestion pick up the core.
55:40 <lels> I thought about it, a friend of mine has it, but there doesn't seem to be anything in there that isn't online for free in some form
56:25 <lels> I was thinking it could be worth me getting perhaps some tiles / flipmats 
56:51 <lels> and maybe some of those figurines
57:47 <lels> unless of course I am mistaken and you can't get everything in the core online
58:29 <lels> I'm pretty green though so I don't know if that is a good path
08:55 <Steven> sorry was busy.
09:53 <Steven> core is always worth buying for yourself.
11:50 <Brunius> You can get it all online, but after a while it gets annoying; and of course it's nice to support paizo
23:44 <Avatar> shades of ice part 3 didn't get played till much longer after 1+2
23:53 <Avatar> destiny of the sands I've played 1+2 but not 3 yet, that was ages ago
24:04 <Avatar> I've played fingerprints and fury but not fate of the fiend
24:10 <Avatar> ageser ago
24:57 <Damalon01> i tend to miss the second installment in trilogies
25:24 <Avatar> erch that sucks
25:51 <Damalon01> i missed part 2 in shades of ice
26:04 <Avatar> shades 2 is the best!
26:18 <oxygen> its the most boring 30 seconds of my life everytime im holding my dick taking a piss in the loo, is there anything i can do to relieve the boredom while pissing? i cant read a book with one hand, does anyone else have the same problem?
26:19 <Avatar> I played all 3 of quest for perfection together
26:25 <Avatar> I don't think that's a coincidence
26:30 <Damalon01> lols
26:41 <Avatar> I completed that journey yo
28:48 <Steven> yup....
28:49 <Steven> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2rf5u?What-is-the-target-audience-for-pfs
29:04 <Steven> rant so hard!
29:40 <Brunius> yeah, you show them avatar!
30:39 <Avatar> thx
32:06 <Avatar> he doesn't make his position very clear
32:27 <Avatar> can't solve 101 unrelated problems at once
32:29 <Steven> no... no they do not.
33:29 <Steven> i really like the 'At gencon I was in a sea of priveleged white males, with few minorities and women around'
39:06 <Damalon01> interesting little speech he had there. of course since ive been playing PFS ive seen women and 'people of colour' at the table
39:29 <Steven> well... he paladin Iconic is black
39:30 <Damalon01> and theres a whole faction devoted to the fight for freedom
39:33 <Steven> the even
39:44 <Damalon01> uh huh
40:37 <Steven> there are more then a few transgender, lesbian, bisexual, and gay characters that crop up in PFS scenarios.
41:05 <Steven> and there is a pretty even split on VCs when it comes to male/female people in power.
42:02 <Steven> but i'm not gonna get into that on the forums... cause i like not being embroiled in forum drama.
43:02 <Damalon01> prolly a good idea
43:13 <Damalon01> i read Wrath of the Righteous part 1
43:37 <Steven> yeah, exactly that sort of thing.
44:03 <Damalon01> so i agree with you about the presence of gay characters and transgender
44:48 <Steven> there is also some really quite impressive lore revealed in Eyes that i wont go into.
44:58 <Steven> but... yeah.
45:09 <Damalon01> yeah i havent played Eyes of the 10, no spoilers! :P
45:36 <Steven> lets just say the pathfinder society is all about equality.
46:09 <Damalon01> well sort of.
46:29 <Steven> you can speak to me bout it after you've run through eyes.
46:46 <Damalon01> hehehe ok
47:47 <Damalon01> i was gonna say its about as equal as a pseudo-medieval setting can be
48:22 <Steven> its actually more so.
48:33 <Damalon01> yeah prolly
49:00 <Damalon01> im only going on what i know, which isnt everything
50:32 <Brunius> but w8 if u b& oxygen how are we breathing??????????? lol
53:10 <Steven> alright, sleep.
53:11 <Avatar> lolz
53:16 <Damalon01> night
16:15 <Mekkis> !spell pilfering hand
16:23 <diebot> Mekkis, PILFERING HAND evocation ([force]) bard 2, cleric/oracle 2, magus 2, sorcerer/wizard 2 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one object Comp: S Duration: see text Save: none SR:yes (object)Source: Ultimate Combat
16:24 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/pilfering_hand.html
47:17 <Steven> suuup
57:02 <Avatar> ya
59:42 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 30th 12pm (Damalon,1-5) || WotW: Sat 30th 10am || SS: TBA || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set your timezone on the site to see your local times in the Schedule! | Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
59:42 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Mon Aug 25 19:15:30 2014
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22:01 <Steven> lookin at some of the exploits... few of them are really awesome
22:25 <Avatar> which ones
24:04 <Steven> well in my opinion the most OP one is the counter spelling one
24:27 <Avatar> ok I will take that one !!
24:43 <Steven> yes, and all your GMs will hate you.
25:19 <Steven> immediate action counterspell for 1 arcane point and 1 spell level of equal or higher level then what you're trying to counterspel.
26:11 <Avatar> it can't be as bad as the synthesist
26:27 <Steven> it is pretty bad.
26:37 <Steven> I've got an arcanist in my Rise game.
26:50 <Steven> none of my NPC casters get a spell off.
28:12 <Avatar> lolz suckerz
28:22 <Avatar> what other exploits are sweet
28:34 <Steven> i wouldnt have a problem with it if it wasnt an immediate action.
28:41 <Avatar> I don't get many unfortunately
28:51 <Avatar> exploiter wizard
28:57 <Avatar> quite a fitting name when you think about it
29:00 <Steven> cool.
29:16 <Avatar> hi guyz I'm here to exploit the game
30:10 <Steven> spell disruption is good if you run into ongoing effects like confusion/charm/dominate.
31:08 <Steven> because you can disrupt it for the combat and then deal with it post combat.
31:13 <Avatar> I didn't realise there is an extra arcane exploit feat
31:19 <Steven> yup
31:21 <Avatar> I thought that was going to limit me, apparently not !
35:39 <Avatar> quick study is pretty amazing
36:21 <Avatar> dimensional slide would be good if it could get you out of a grapple
41:18 <Mekkis> !spell wandering star motes
41:19 <diebot> Mekkis, WANDERING STAR MOTES illusion (pattern[light, mind-affecting]) bard 4, sorcerer/wizard 4, witch 4 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one living creature and special; see text Comp: V, S, M (a sprinkle of flash powder) Duration: 1/round per level Save: Will negates; see text SR:yesSource: APG
41:19 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/wandering_star_motes.html
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38:16 <Blambo> hello
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13:11 <Mekkis> !feat spell perfection
13:17 <diebot> Mekkis, SPELL PERFECTION []Prereq:  Spellcraft 15 ranks, at least three metamagic feats.  You are unequaled at the casting of one particular spell.
13:17 <diebot> Benefit:  Pick one spell which you have the ability to cast. Whenever you cast that spell you may apply any one metamagic feat you have to that spell without affecting its level or casting time, as long as the total modified level of the spell does not use a spell slot above 9th level. In addition, if you have other feats which allow you to apply
13:19 <diebot> a set numerical bonus to any aspect of this spell (such as Spell Focus, Spell Penetration, Weapon Focus [ray], and so on), double the bonus granted by that feat when applied to this spell. Source: APG
36:16 <Steven> thats how I'm going to get my Persistent Suffocation up to DC 34!
37:45 Damalon01 ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
37:58 <Damalon01> hi all
58:51 <Steven> so what up peoples.
32:23 Steven ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
32:29 <Steven> yo
48:48 <Avatar> yo
49:03 <Avatar> productive work day! I almost got finished with my wizard
56:44 <Avatar> Damalon01: are you going to unicon
06:11 <Steven> say what....
06:19 <Steven> what kind of wizard?
06:26 <Steven> sorry for long delay, i went to store.
06:34 <Avatar> exploiter wizard
06:40 <Avatar> we talked about this yesterday !
06:47 <Steven> i dont really remember much.
07:04 <Avatar> you were telling me about sweet exploits
07:26 <Avatar> I am not sure I will be taking the counterspelling one till later levels, I'm only level 3 !
07:33 <Steven> i may have had bout a third of a bottle of scotch.
07:53 <Steven> its all kind of fuzzy
07:57 <Avatar> are you depressed or celebrating
08:02 <Mekkis> I'll just Sacred Geometry it
08:18 <Steven> it was a celebration of scotch.
08:28 <Steven> which is to say i felt like drinking good scotch
08:30 <Avatar> cool
08:37 <Avatar> I don't think I like scotch
08:42 <Avatar> I can't remember, it's been so long since I had some
08:52 * Steven starts figuring out a way to block avatar.
08:59 <Mekkis> What is the division of responsibilities between Brock and Compton?
09:04 <Avatar> what's wrong
09:14 <Steven> i cant trust you anymore.
09:21 <Avatar> :|
09:26 <Avatar> w/e !
09:28 <Steven> dunno, you should ask them.
09:39 <Damalon01> im back. Yeah im going to Unicon.
09:52 <Steven> you're obviously a ne'er-do-well
10:12 <Steven> i'm just playin.
10:14 <Avatar> Damalon01: do you have a particular scenario you want to play
10:36 <Steven> a good scotch makes people really only drink scotch from that point on.
10:44 <Steven> and a bad scotch ruins them forever on the drink.
10:49 <Avatar> or tier
11:00 <Damalon01> hmmmm not really, just a scneario i havent played yet :)
11:25 <Damalon01> are we talking for Unicon?
11:37 <Avatar> yeah
11:51 <Avatar> oh er, should I even be aiming for that since we play online
11:59 <Steven> I was ruined on scotch for bout 5 years off of a Johnnie Walker Red.
12:30 <Steven> it was presented as scotch(which it totally fucking isnt)
12:32 <Damalon01> argh. well my characters are still 1-8 avatar, anything in that range
13:00 <Avatar> that is the whole range
13:11 <Damalon01> pretty much yeah :P
13:13 <Avatar> I think mike is more co-ordinator and john is more developer
13:25 <Damalon01> i think my mate Bazz is gonna come to Unicon too
13:47 <Avatar> oh cool
13:49 <Steven> and so i didnt try it again till my brother bought a bottle and was like we're drinking this.
13:53 <Avatar> which one is he on the site
14:00 <Damalon01> Bazzinc
14:01 <Avatar> bazzinc
14:05 <Damalon01> jinx
14:05 <Avatar> the obvious one
14:41 <Avatar> have you only played quest for perfection 1 but not 2 and 3?
15:19 <Damalon01> i havent played any quest for perfection
15:45 <Avatar> you marked it off I think
15:56 <Damalon01> i did? let me check
16:30 <Avatar> maybe not
16:46 <Damalon01> nah i havent
16:56 <Avatar> what level is your low level guy
16:59 <Damalon01> by the way, any clue who Felcor is?
17:21 <Steven> oh god.... dude arcanists are so OP.
17:22 <Avatar> nah, a random
17:34 <Avatar> I can only hope steven, I can only hope
17:35 <Damalon01> my lowest level is 1, i have 2 level 3s, a level 5, a level 7 and an 8
17:42 <Avatar> oh wow
17:50 <Avatar> bazz only has the one character doesn't he
18:07 <Damalon01> he has a level 1 Bard and a level 2 (almost 3) Druid
18:16 <Steven> alright avatar check it.
18:17 <Damalon01> Jason only has his level 1 Magus
18:20 <Steven> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/hybrid-classes/arcanist/archetypes/paizo---arcanist-archetypes/school-savant
18:37 <Steven> gets me a wizard school.
18:40 <Avatar> there was a best-scenarios-by-level list that I stupidly didn't bookmark
19:27 <Avatar> Steven: I am actually a wizard, going part arcanist
19:31 <Avatar> not an arcanist, going part wizard
19:42 <Avatar> I don't like not having full spell progression
19:43 <Steven> Bloodline Development exploit gets me a bloodline that is first level, but if i take a dip into Sorc my arcanist levels start stacking
19:59 <Steven> so... I can have an arcane school and a bloodline.
20:05 <Avatar> but less spells
20:10 <Avatar> and lower level spells
20:21 <Avatar> I don't like exploits and bloodlines enough to do that
20:39 <Steven> i dont really need the highest level spells
20:48 <Avatar> oh I need them
20:52 <Avatar> I need the highest of the high
21:05 <Damalon01> so you settling on playing your Wizard on Saturday Av?
21:42 <Steven> well i assume its for PFS where power directly relates to survivability.
21:43 <Avatar> depends on whether I need my paladin stuck on sczarni for paths we choose
21:50 <Avatar> I want to talk to andrei tonight 
21:54 <Avatar> thanks for reminding me
22:02 <Damalon01> ok mate
22:03 <Steven> Mine is for a home brew where versatility is king.
22:06 <Avatar> I think both characters will work
22:28 <Avatar> mate don't tell me wizards aren't versatile
22:34 <Avatar> please
22:39 <Steven> i didnt say that.
22:45 <Avatar> please stephen
22:49 <Avatar> steven*
23:27 <Steven> I think you may be misinterpreting what i said man.
23:52 <Avatar> maybe, I am a little flustered !
24:02 <Avatar> wizards aren't versatile, my god man !
24:03 <Steven> in PFS if you can do one thing ridiculously well you can break encounters to the point of them not being a challenge to the party.
24:47 <Steven> in a homebrew having a flexible build is more important then being super powerful as the GM has the ability to alter things on the fly.
25:20 <Avatar> but the exploiter wizard is also flexible
25:40 <Avatar> I would argue your arcanist is less flexible than my wizard
25:47 <Avatar> just a thought
26:14 <Steven> so, for my character power is of lesser importance then being flexible, my character doesnt need the higher level spells because i will have a straight ridiculous amount of flexibility.
27:08 <Steven> also made a promise with the GM i woudlnt take Counterspell exploit.
28:53 <Avatar> I think holding off counterspell until the higher levels is a wise choice
29:06 <Steven> probably bout 7th or so.
29:14 <Avatar> where spells are more prevalent and I can take advantage of other exploits 
29:32 <Avatar> I sort of want to stick to my toppling magic missile build I had too
29:33 <Steven> when you start getting into the spell range where an AOE spell can really ruin people's days if they arent prepared.
31:15 <Steven> just have to find an optimal sorc bloodline.
37:17 <Steven> i could get really janky... pick orc..
39:36 <Avatar> why is double clicking links in IRC not working for me anymore
39:49 <Steven> iunno
46:25 <Steven> well i think we might have a winner
47:01 <Steven> Protean... just for the 15th level ability that lets me activate a dimension door while also placing a black tentacles effect at the location i just left
56:53 <Steven> !rand protean aberrant deepearth
57:05 <Steven> !rng protean aberrant deepearth
57:05 <diebot> Steven, aberrant
58:39 <Avatar> I cannot for the life of me find this list of scenarios
58:59 <Steven> me either.
00:14 <Avatar> I found one list that's 3 years old and that's it
00:20 <Avatar> heated argument on the facebook group about alignment changes in PFS
00:23 <Avatar> there was one less than a year old
02:56 <Mekkis> why do you need an 'optimal' one?
03:44 <Steven> its optimal by what will make sense for the character and that doesnt completely suck ass.
03:45 <Avatar> an optimal list?
03:57 <Avatar> who are you talking to
04:11 <Mekkis> the Steven
04:49 <Steven> Like verdant makes perfect sense for the character, but doubles up on abilities I already get from my Wizard School.
05:11 <Mekkis> hmm
05:24 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Mon Aug 25 19:06:51 2014
05:26 <Mekkis> hn
06:16 <Steven> so im not going to take that bloodline.
06:31 <Mekkis> So, I looked at SNA5
06:45 <Mekkis> there's some powerful stuff on there
06:58 <Steven> what is SNA5?
07:11 <Mekkis> Summon Nature's Ally V
07:32 <Steven> oh... yeah once you get past level 4 the lists just get bonkers.
07:42 <Mekkis> I mean, cyclops
07:51 <Mekkis> Summon cyclops, crit you with a greataxe
07:56 <Steven> yup good ole cyclops
08:25 <Steven> Walter's druid can summon like 1d3+2 of them i think...
08:30 <Steven> some ridiculous number.
08:37 <Steven> just instant gib of an enemy.
08:40 <Mekkis> pretty wrong
09:38 <Steven> but where it gets crazy is when you summon that many Celestial ankylosaurus.
09:51 <Mekkis> celestial? With SNA?
10:05 <Steven> yup
12:25 <Mekkis> how does that get pulled off
12:33 <s_gmusic> should be based on your alignment
12:37 <Steven> janky shit.
13:00 <Mekkis> s_gmusic, generally Summon Monster gets the extraplanar stuff, and Summon Nature's Ally gets the other stuff.
13:02 <s_gmusic> if you're Good, your summons automatically get the Celestial template. Evil gets the Fiendish template. neutral either doesn't get a template, or can choose.
13:37 <Mekkis> s_gmusic, for Summon Monster, that's the case
13:43 <Mekkis> for Summon Nature's Ally, it isn't
13:46 <Steven> that is usually only the case for summon... yeah what mekkis said.
14:10 <Mekkis> which is why I'm wondering what kind of cheese that comes out of northwestern US gets around that
14:40 <Steven> O
16:59 <Steven> well methinks its time to go to sleep.  I have a 5-6 hour drive tomorrow in a cramped car so i can get to PAX Prime.
17:11 <Mekkis> Question:
17:18 <Mekkis>  if there's a class change that results in a full rebuild, does that include race?
17:31 <Avatar> think so
17:43 <Avatar> isn't that what the rule says
17:45 <Steven> if it says you're allowed to do a full rebuild yeah i think that includes race.
17:56 <Mekkis> If it affects a character created in 2010, can I rebuild it to be a Wayang?
18:02 <Avatar> like, race is part of what gives you your +
18:03 <Avatar> 2
18:26 <Avatar> you probably can if you haven't played it since 2010
18:43 <Steven> its a legal option during the time when you rebuild i dont see why you couldnt.
19:06 <Avatar> it's only really once you've played it that you lock in your options
19:16 <Steven> i dont think you could rebuild into an aasimar/tiefling right now though.
20:06 <Mekkis> What if said character possesses an item grandfathered into the campaign due to some 2011 errata?
20:53 <Steven> now i gotta go look at the rebuild rules.
22:27 <Mekkis> Wow. This chain is awesome. Build Cestrine Chapel for one city state. It connects me Silk and Jewellery, which makes me allies of another four city states. Their resources make me allies of another few city states, and I end up getting spammed with "you are now <city-state's ally>"
23:01 <Steven> nice.
24:36 <Steven> alright, mekkis what are you rebuilding and into what?
25:21 <Steven> and for what reason?
25:40 <Mekkis> I'm not sure yet.
25:56 <Mekkis> but Grolschmir might rebuild, should the opportunity arise
26:37 <Steven> are you talking about retraining?
27:10 <Steven> or a rebuild due to your class changing, or a rebuild from getting your hands on a T1 Gencon boon?
27:20 <Mekkis> the former
28:39 <Mekkis> is there a difference to mechanics of that?
29:00 <Steven> okay with retraining you pay gold and prestige to alter your character and the cost is representative of people teaching you how to do the new things you want to do.  It is still the same character that basically went back through PFS bootcamp to learn a different way of doing things.
30:06 <Mekkis> Sorry, talking about rebuilding.
30:41 <Steven> I thought Grolschmir was a druid archer.
30:45 <Steven> thing
31:30 <Mekkis> He's advanced a lot since then
31:35 <Mekkis> Regardless,
32:24 <Steven> So how is he getting the rebuild?
32:47 <Steven> did he take levels in one of the hybrids?
35:11 <Mekkis> If he hypothetically got a rebuild, what would happen?
36:02 <Steven> it depends on what type of rebuild he got, A tier 1 GenCon rebuild states very clearly what you are allowed to change.
36:27 <Mekkis> A 'my class changed' rebuild
37:23 <Steven> a rebuild due to a class change that warrants campaign leadership granting one gives a player the ability to rebuild but you must maintain the same gear.
38:08 <Mekkis> What if the gear is linked to the class (eg wizard) or trait (eg Heirloom Weapon)
38:28 <Steven> must maintain the gear.
39:05 <Steven> i think if you lose proficiency with the item you can sell back at full cost.
39:29 <Mekkis> So in the case of Heirloom Weapon, must keep the trait?
39:33 <Steven> but that is the only for weapons/armor.
40:09 <Steven> If a feat or trait changes or is removed from the Additional  Resources list: You have two options. First, you may  either switch the old feat for an updated feat of the same  name in another legal source (if available), ignoring any  prerequisites of the new feat you do not meet. Alternatively,  you may replace the feat entirely with another feat for which  
43:22 <Mekkis> What's your opinion of Sacred Geometry?
48:33 <Steven> pain in the ass.
50:00 <Avatar> what if you have a program to work it out for you
50:57 <Steven> still a pain in the ass.
52:46 <Steven> thankfully its not legal for pfs.
58:51 <Mekkis> What if you possess mathematical proof that any combination of dice rolls will resolve a sacred geometry check, after a certain level?
59:11 <Steven> still annoying.
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41:21 <s_gmusic> I just read Sacred Geometry as posted on d20pfsrd and it evoked only two words from me.
41:24 <s_gmusic> "Mother."
41:28 <s_gmusic> "Fucker."
41:33 <s_gmusic> :          |
42:39 <Damalon01> well seeyas
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49:25 <Avatar> s_gmusic: why
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52:37 <Avatar> Mekkis: are you down for unicon?
53:40 <Mekkis> probably not: I'm doing two cons in September...
53:46 <Mekkis> and another later in the year
54:01 <Avatar> so it's finally happened
54:05 <Avatar> you've had too much pathfinder
55:29 <Mekkis> actually, I haven't been doing that much PFS recently...
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32:23 <Avatar> arctanx
32:25 <Avatar> roll up a character !!
48:30 <Steven> oh wow... this boon is epic.
48:47 <Steven> now i wanna play season 6 stuff.
04:58 <s_gmusic> what boon?
07:44 <Steven> have you played 6-02
40:02 <Mekkis> Hmmm... I'm getting 60 happiness from the Cult of Asmodeus
44:57 <Mekkis> And I have 40 million people in a single city.
45:43 <s_gmusic> not yet. 
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