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00:29:06 Quit: Stiff ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
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00:44:56 <Guest|45651> guys what do you think about skywater foundry open sourcing their PDK for 130 nm process node?
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01:05:21 <Watcher> Geust|45651, Are that those files: https://github.com/google/skywater-pdk
01:09:50 <K> i am not qualified to really think about that, but it seems interesting
01:10:32 <K> might this be the open source fab mentioned on HN some time ago?
01:10:55 <hsn> what is HN
01:11:33 <K> https://news.ycombinator.com/
01:12:53 <Watcher> open hardware is not new with this plan. and it is a colab with google and i'am not a fanboy more a google hater.
01:20:44 <Watcher> https://hackaday.com/2020/06/30/your-own-open-source-asic-skywater-pdf-plans-first-130-nm-wafer-in-2020/
01:21:26 <Watcher> there are only 40 slots on 1 wafer and if i read it correctly there is only 1 wafer in november
01:21:44 <Watcher> and maybe more in 2021
01:22:31 <K> ah.
01:32:44 <K> asdf
01:32:48 <K> dang.
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01:34:34 <hsn> https://www.instagram.com/p/CC08g9DKECa/?igshid=t7c0og8xju54
01:41:28 <Ysjoelfir> re
01:42:07 <K> he is a brave man working with that nasty glue on bare table
01:45:22 <hsn> he is nasty man
01:45:30 <hsn> working with brave glue
01:45:44 <Ysjoelfir> I love the smell of acrifix
01:46:06 <coppice> and what about crucifix?
01:51:42 <K> asterix
01:52:02 <coppice> the gaul of this man
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02:11:48 Quit: Lord_of_nothing_ ([email protected]) Quit: Clap on! , Clap off! Clap@#&$NO CARRIER
02:20:03 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/YbIPJ74.jpeg
02:30:18 <K> stop hacking our brains!
02:42:21 <coppice> Dhess_US: I left that image in the corner of my screen, and glanced at it a few times while working. I'm gradually seeing more and more of the black dots as I get used to it
02:45:57 <K> building up imunity!
02:47:41 <K> git push
02:47:43 <K> ffs
03:34:07 <Ampera> Global COVID cases have surpassed 15 million
03:37:59 <DHess_US> good
03:38:06 * Ampera hugs DHess_US
03:38:09 <Ampera> what a badass
04:03:35 <DHess_US> https://imgur.com/gallery/JBLW1iO
04:16:09 <MrMobodies> I see, children just starting to draw stuff.
04:16:38 <MrMobodies> oh from photoshopped images
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05:09:17 <Lemon> what has been seen can't been unseen
05:10:08 <Lemon> the human-pork alike creature is disturbing
05:11:18 <Lemon> ho at the end, this is "la jeune fille a la perle" from vermeer right ?
05:11:56 <Lemon> I saw "la laitiere" in the rjiik (sorry, I can't remember the spelling) museum in amsterdam
05:12:10 <Lemon> there was a nice concentration of chinese peeps taking pictures
05:19:50 <coppice> Ampera: we can't have those elderly care homes expanding without end
05:20:18 <Ampera> coppice, I know right? Those stupid pensioners thinking they can have a nice casual rest after working all their lives
05:20:20 <Ampera> entitled pricks
05:20:41 <Ampera> in other news
05:20:44 * Ampera squeezes Lemon
05:33:44 <hsn> https://instagram.com/stories/ahmadalzamel/2359015295752146563?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=oo6fzptlvl3a
05:34:00 <hsn> how u doin
05:39:08 <hsn> https://www.eetimes.com/ddr5-spec-published-high-capacities-meet-extreme-speeds/
05:43:18 <Ampera> hsn, I'm doing alright
05:43:29 <Ampera> last hour of work so I'm sorta chilling and doing bits here and there until it's over
05:43:36 <Ampera> a lot of shit's broken at the moment, so it's hard to get stuff done
05:45:03 <hsn> wht shit
05:45:54 <hsn> great is that why u ve been busy?
05:47:53 <Ampera> hsn, for the past several months, yes
05:48:31 <hsn> well, hope things get better for u
05:48:37 <Ampera> better?
05:48:45 <Ampera> what do you mean
05:51:27 <hsn> xD Ampera, i mean shits get merge to unbroken
05:51:38 <Ampera> huh?
05:52:20 <hsn> [22:43] (@Ampera) a lot of shit's broken at the moment, so it's hard to get stuff done
05:52:29 <Ampera> yeah what of it
05:52:37 <hsn> merge = unbroken
05:52:44 <Ampera> no
05:52:45 <hsn> unbroken shit
05:52:49 <Ampera> merge != unbroken
05:52:57 <Ampera> fix = unbroken
05:53:02 <hsn> xD
05:53:06 <Ampera> merge means to combine things into one
05:53:23 <hsn> lol i was refering to real shit
05:53:33 <hsn> it sounded funny
05:53:37 <Ampera> no I mean the project I am working on is busted
05:53:38 <hsn> to use merge
05:53:43 <hsn> ah
05:53:55 <hsn> software thingy for trianglation?
05:54:06 <Ampera> it's a new product that has to interface through a snakework of API bullshit with a legacy product
05:54:14 <Ampera> and it's all sorts of not working, and I'm not the one who is capable of fixing it
05:55:23 <hsn> this space locating gps stuff?
05:56:15 <Ampera> hsn, no it's something unrelated
05:56:28 <hsn> ok
05:56:29 <Ampera> if you're talking about the tool I wrote, it's working perfectly fine and has been completed for a while
05:56:52 <hsn> cool
05:57:49 <hsn> so why the guy who wrote the broken shit doesnt fix it
05:58:02 <Ampera> because he's one guy everyone else expects to fix their shit
05:58:14 <Ampera> so he busy
05:59:01 <hsn> ah
08:58:50 Quit: Lemon ([email protected]) Connection closed
09:52:17 <Halcyon> Morning everyone
09:56:12 <steve30> A Halcyon!
09:58:35 * steve30 meows
09:58:49 <Halcyon> Jerry is being a noisy asshole this morning
09:59:01 <steve30> hehe
09:59:33 <Halcyon> All my data has almost finished copying over to the new pool
10:00:23 <steve30> I'm going to see fetish-guy on Friday for a coffee
10:00:31 <Halcyon> "coffee"
10:00:49 <Halcyon> Is he going to spank you and throw hot coffee at you? :P
10:01:06 <steve30> nah, literally just coffee
10:01:17 <Halcyon> Oh OK
10:01:47 <steve30> He'd get hissed at for wasting coffee like that :p
10:01:54 <Halcyon> Haha
10:02:15 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: NEW EEVblog Video! EEVblog #1322 - JBL LSR308 Studio Monitor Speaker REPAIR https://t.co/NMumMBvdhf
10:02:17 <Halcyon> I'm just having my first sip of coffee for the day
10:02:19 <Halcyon> Tastes so good
10:02:43 <steve30> hehe, just got some spam
10:02:46 <steve30> "Subject: Grow Your Pe..nis"
10:02:57 <Halcyon> Wow that's an oldie
10:08:17 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: NEW Video on EEVblog2! EEVblog #1322 - JBL LSR308 Monitor Speaker Repair (FULL) https://t.co/QAPjNrswNS
10:10:55 * steve30 cuddles up to Halcyon
10:11:00 <Halcyon> :-)
10:11:14 * steve30 is looking forward to going to bed
10:12:06 <Halcyon> What time is it?
10:12:41 <steve30> 0111
10:12:47 <Halcyon> Sleepy time
10:14:09 <Halcyon> I'm looking for dinner recipes, not sure what to make tonight
10:16:16 <steve30> I had chicken kiev
10:16:20 <Halcyon> Mmmm
10:16:56 * steve30 wishes he had a cute boy to snuggle up with under his duvet
10:17:12 <Halcyon> Too bad you aren't here Steve
10:17:47 <steve30> You got some cute australian boys for me? :p
10:39:35 <Halcyon> :P
10:45:30 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: EEVblog #1322 – JBL LSR308 Monitor Speaker Repair (FULL) https://t.co/41o0brI29I
11:35:48 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Bank is refunding the money right away. Now it's up to the merchant to prove it was me. https://t.co/NTMBqzH6EN
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16:34:21 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
16:39:02 <Halcyon> Hey Ysjoelfir
16:39:13 <Ysjoelfir> hi Halcyon :) How are you?
16:39:38 <Halcyon> Not too bad, yourself?
16:41:18 <Ysjoelfir> a bit excited about the quickly arriving day of the vacation. Also, happy that I found a new used alternator for cheap and that the seller was ok with sending it NOW, so that I can shove it into the volvo before we start
16:44:26 <Ysjoelfir> and quite a bit mishievous that 80% of our production department decided to go into vacation since Mr. Boss was like "you have all way to many days of vacation left, take them now!", which resulted in my product not being produced before middle of august, which made my beloved Mr. Head of Dev rip his nonexisting hair as he feats that it won't be done before I leave :P
16:54:19 <hsn> woah :)
16:54:36 <hsn> let him set on production and do it .. simple .. solved
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16:55:15 <Halcyon> Oh excellent
16:56:07 <Ysjoelfir> That would be a great idea hsn :P
16:56:24 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon - yep. I am just a little bit mishievous about that :P
16:56:31 <Halcyon> :P
16:57:56 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/kY8sP9.jpg
16:58:04 <hsn> to many tools .. rip money
16:58:28 <Ysjoelfir> huh
16:58:32 <Ysjoelfir> you go all in, do you
16:58:55 <hsn> well all these contacts are existing in the harness :>
16:59:55 <hsn> the jaw is 170 and the tool 270 .. why would i go for the jaw and then suffer in replacing them
17:01:10 <hsn> i dont know if one of these tools is actually fit for other contact so i can save money on merging ..
17:01:37 * Ysjoelfir opted for ring lugs and 6.3mm faston instead of having just ONE tool when our production department saw my initial plan and went like "WTH, those (highend Hirose DF200 EnerBee connectors) connectors are most probably shit, we won't do those!!!!!!"
17:02:00 <hsn> also im going to factory to check what tools we allready have .. i will evaporate before reaching there ...
17:02:46 <Ysjoelfir> I assume its a nice, fresh 20°C with a light breeze where you are?
17:02:59 <hsn> 20 ?
17:03:10 <Ysjoelfir> yes.
17:03:21 <hsn> dude believe its killing at 8am .. now its 10am
17:03:49 <hsn> when i came i was like running from car to office so HR lady saw me .. ooooh hassan (as energy guy)
17:04:02 <hsn> i told her (hi, this is not morning energy ,, im running from the sun)
17:04:24 <Ysjoelfir> xD
17:04:55 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/gUtywB.jpg
17:04:57 <hsn> what is this ?
17:05:18 <Ysjoelfir> dryness in your case, humidity everywhere else :D
17:05:30 <hsn> is it high ?
17:05:43 <Ysjoelfir> its normal
17:05:51 <Ysjoelfir> we have pretty much the same here
17:06:00 <hsn> come here u will see its not normal xD
17:06:21 <hsn> maybe it has "exponensial normality with temperature"
17:06:28 <hsn> relationship type ^
17:07:26 <hsn> also i didnt get your faston ring lugs talk ^ ?
17:07:49 <Ysjoelfir> well, for your 39°C its indeed a bit high ^^ but you are surrounded by whater, what do you expect?
17:08:08 <Ysjoelfir> also, you have much sand. so I assume you get sandblasted with wet sand :P
17:08:15 <hsn> lol
17:08:18 <hsn> shiny us
17:08:27 <Ysjoelfir> exactly
17:08:53 <hsn> make up girls be like joker
17:08:54 <hsn> xD
17:09:01 <Ysjoelfir> XD
17:09:17 <hsn> opted for ring lugs and 6.3mm faston instead of having just ONE tool when our production department saw my initial plan
17:09:43 <hsn> means ?
17:11:21 <Ysjoelfir> well, I had to switch my design over from high quality Hirose DF22 Enerbee connectors, which require exactly one crimping tool, to 6.3mm Faston connectors and Ring Lugs, as the production department didn't trust my engineering skills in choosing the right connector, so they wanted me to go back the the most basic connections there are.
17:11:40 <hsn> oh u selected hirose DF200 at begining and then replaced it with ring lugs ?
17:11:51 <Ysjoelfir> yes
17:12:00 <Ysjoelfir> had to
17:12:03 <Ysjoelfir> not want :P
17:12:31 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.hirose.com/product/series/DF22
17:12:36 <Ysjoelfir> those were absolutely great
17:12:38 <hsn> how do you have this connectors experience of knowing the stuff
17:12:42 <hsn> which is good which is noot
17:12:48 <Ysjoelfir> I tested them
17:13:33 <Ysjoelfir> they survived four weeks in (regular water/salty water/vinegar) and still worked great with only a minor reduction in residual resistance
17:14:04 <hsn> ah u tested the contacts on water?
17:14:48 <Ysjoelfir> not only that. I tested them for different factors. moisture, corrisive moisture, mating cycles, ripping on the cables,....
17:16:13 <hsn> oh fck .. i just selected them based on the connectors i have and want "cheap, small, water proof"
17:16:35 <hsn> small to pass the fire standard :)
17:17:13 <hsn> now if they came and wear or vibrate inside the conneector .. i'd be like "oh shit"
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17:19:59 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
17:21:15 <Ysjoelfir> usually thats also the way I select connectors for my project. but for this one it was crucial to have (not neccessarily the lowest but) stable resistances with every mating cycle, as they are used in a reference impedance
17:21:44 <Ysjoelfir> so I had to make sure that the resistance doesn't drift too much, which is why I made the tests.
17:22:02 <hsn> oh .. in my case low mating cycles
17:22:17 <hsn> and just damn switching or 1-5v,4-20mA
17:22:23 <hsn> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/hirose-electric-co-ltd/JRC16BP-14P-71/HR1293-ND/1035232 expensive also
17:22:39 <Ysjoelfir> but nice
17:22:47 <hsn> https://www.digikey.com/products/en?keywords=TN0S14-0012S1L
17:22:54 <hsn> i choose this ^
17:23:12 <Ysjoelfir> that'll do
17:23:45 <hsn> i was looking for RS485 cable
17:23:52 <hsn> zero halogen
17:24:05 <Ysjoelfir> i hate halogen free cables
17:24:36 <Ysjoelfir> many of those use some substitute or whatever that make them feel.... powdery and "dirty"
17:24:46 <hsn> BEL3328-5000-ND
17:24:46 <hsn> << my boss still didnt see this today he will see the BOM and start yelling on me
17:24:47 <hsn> xD
17:25:08 <Ysjoelfir> haha :D
17:25:18 <hsn> they dont sell small quantity !
17:25:40 <Ysjoelfir> who doesn't need 1.5mM of double twisted pair cable^^
17:25:41 <hsn> and he wanted somthing that passes the fire standard for the prototype .. !!
17:26:06 <hsn> 1.5Km ?
17:26:26 <Ysjoelfir> oh
17:26:27 <Ysjoelfir> yes
17:28:13 <hsn> well its prototype im telling him just go with somthing like this : https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/cnc-tech/2000-2422-1-BL-0025-TS/CN577B-25-ND/7932564
17:28:33 <Ysjoelfir> that should do
17:28:33 <hsn> and then when a project comes for production .. u go to the fire rated cable
17:28:42 <Ysjoelfir> exactly
17:29:03 <hsn> but i dont want to convince him .. and then when we test product for EMC im not sure if replacing cables is allowed oor not ?
17:29:28 <Ysjoelfir> thats a good question. T3sl4 might know that?
17:29:57 <hsn> i think when i read before "in pcb wise" every small change will make u need to re test for
17:29:58 <hsn> EMC
17:31:00 <hsn> but i guess that is same for Cables ! ^ wouldnt they have different shielding effect ? so change in results !
17:31:37 <hsn> anyway im going to factory cya
17:31:54 <hsn> i think T3sl4 is busy these days he barly talks
17:32:01 <hsn> or chat
17:32:06 <Ysjoelfir> :O
17:32:12 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4 is on vacation?
17:32:34 <hsn> vocation from us ? :P
17:32:41 <Ysjoelfir> exactly
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18:52:55 <Ysjoelfir> gremlinz seaner damian is one of you available? A friend of mine would like to join but his IP seems to be in the ban list for quite some time. He already wrote an e-mail to austnet a while back, sadly without any response
18:54:23 <Halcyon> Right, dinner is in the oven, time for a wine :)
18:54:33 <Ysjoelfir> enjoy Halcyon :)
18:55:06 <Halcyon> Mmm delicious
18:58:52 * hsn hsn is also in the oven
18:59:06 <hsn> but not that delicious
18:59:30 * Ysjoelfir cuts a piece off of hsn and hands it over to Halcyon to try
19:00:16 <hsn> cut me with what
19:00:38 <hsn> that 24KV cable insulation cutter
19:00:42 <hsn> is good
19:01:58 <Ysjoelfir> just a nice sharp knife :P
19:13:29 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: If you are going to get collar bone bruises from heavy dumbbells, at least make them nicely symmetrical. https://t.co/ulTZWbxzMh
19:30:28 <steve30> hi
19:37:24 <Ysjoelfir> hey steve
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19:45:35 <rust_collector> mornings
19:45:42 <Ysjoelfir_> hi rusty
19:47:15 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
19:47:20 Nick: Ysjoelfir_ is now known as Ysjoelfir
19:47:26 <rust_collector> oh faaahk... neighbor gave me a cake
19:48:56 <rust_collector> https://imgur.com/a/g9LglFw
19:51:18 <rust_collector> it is almost impossible to eat. it tastes good, but.. the blueberries are so incredibly sour
19:55:54 <Ysjoelfir> aww :D how nice and how sad
19:55:58 <Ysjoelfir> add some sugar?
19:59:53 <hsn> no
19:59:55 <hsn> send it
20:00:04 <hsn> one piece me one piece Ysjoelfir
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20:01:15 <K> aaand im back.
20:01:17 <K> hello
20:01:18 <hsn> potasium
20:01:21 <hsn> no win for u
20:01:23 <hsn> hello
20:01:23 <EEVBlog> Hello there, hsn!
20:01:24 <Ysjoelfir> wb K :)
20:01:25 <hsn> :)
20:01:28 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
20:01:54 <rust_collector> potassium is not a real thing
20:02:57 <hsn> rust_collector, if u want to taste real K
20:03:00 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector, do you know if there are replacement (i.e. different) headlights for the 940 in sweden which are street legal? I wonder because I never saw any in germany, you can only get the stock ones
20:03:13 <hsn> then u eat ur berries https://snipboard.io/ArVJiD.jpg
20:03:28 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
20:04:00 <rust_collector> I am not really that into the volvo aftermarket, but I would think you could find some E marked ones there
20:04:59 <K> imaginary potasium?
20:05:32 <rust_collector> yeah, well, it is like a hoover, or xerox
20:05:39 <rust_collector> canola
20:05:44 <rust_collector> things like that
20:07:55 <rust_collector> I call it kalium, like normal people
20:08:27 * Ysjoelfir does the same and by doing that seems to be normal
20:09:05 <K> pot-ass
20:10:48 <rust_collector> I like how people say you have to eat a lot of bananas, to get lots of that. well, you could also just eat potatoes, or other normal things, which contain more... but otoh, bananas are pretty nice
20:11:48 <Ysjoelfir> I heard (and at least 2 years ago noticed) that bananas are freakishly expensive in norway.
20:12:07 <rust_collector> ok
20:12:35 <Ysjoelfir> so how can you even eat those, you rich bastard?
20:12:53 <rust_collector> that is probably because "someone" went into a store, and bought bananas, because they though it would be the cheapest thing to get?
20:13:29 <rust_collector> i can eat those, because they put cases of it in the lunch room?
20:13:53 <Ysjoelfir> good point
20:14:43 <rust_collector> I have no idea, I do not buy bananas
20:15:35 <Ysjoelfir> they were indeed a bit more expensive then they are here, though not THAT expensive. and they tasted great. (but nothing beats the prices at Oslo airport.... like 5€ for a fucking banana, are they bonkers?)
20:15:53 <rust_collector> uuuh.
20:15:55 <rust_collector> well
20:16:14 <rust_collector> I guess.... if you go and buy anything at an airport....
20:16:21 <rust_collector> how can I say this
20:16:59 <K> ur not wise
20:17:03 <rust_collector> is this what lemon sounds like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkPVokvDu5w
20:17:41 <Ysjoelfir> I very much appreciated it that you at least COULD buy fruits there. at our airport you can only get: coffee, sweets, coffee, fast food, coffee, starbucks, coffee, sweet beverages, coffee, asian food, coffee, bread, coffee, bread with toppings and off course coffee. but no fruits.
20:17:55 * Ysjoelfir expects steve30 to pop up from under the chair demanding coffee now
20:18:35 <rust_collector> coffee and a corner to pee in, is all I want from an airport
20:18:37 <Ysjoelfir> lemon does indeed sound kind of like that accent, yes
20:18:50 <rust_collector> heh
20:19:01 * steve30 heard mentions of coffee
20:19:36 <rust_collector> coffee? yes, I have plenty, come and get some
20:22:42 <rust_collector> I get the same feeling in hospitals and airports. I do not like it. train stations are ok
20:28:47 <Ysjoelfir> lunch time approaching
20:28:49 <Ysjoelfir> hungry
20:28:53 <Ysjoelfir> much of that
20:29:08 <rust_collector> many hungr
20:29:15 <Ysjoelfir> yes.
20:44:19 <Ysjoelfir> i returned
20:44:21 <Ysjoelfir> with fooooooooooooood
20:45:05 <rust_collector> when I was in germany, the food was... there
20:47:29 <Ysjoelfir> indeed. mine is here, too
20:50:19 <rust_collector> i do remember getting.. uh. I do not remember the name. gypsy schnitzel... maybe. it was pretty horrible
20:50:40 <Ysjoelfir> yep, Zigeunerschnitzel
20:50:50 <rust_collector> ah, yes
20:51:22 <rust_collector> I think it was one tomato, and one onion, half a salt, and a piece of meat
20:51:33 <Ysjoelfir> I personally prefer Jägerschnitzel / Hunters Schnitzel. With shrooms and brown creamsauce
20:57:26 <K> meat and potatoes ftw
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21:19:58 <hsn> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing
21:19:59 <hsn> lol
21:22:27 <Ysjoelfir> didn't you know this technique?^^
21:22:38 <Ysjoelfir> in german it has a very fitting name
21:22:44 <rust_collector> it is pretty common
21:23:26 <Ysjoelfir> a dowser is a Wünschelrutengänger. Literal translation would be "Wish-Rod Walker"
21:24:56 <rust_collector> my old boss used to use 2 metal rods. I think they were paint can handles, that were straightened out, with the handle part on one end, and bent 90°
21:25:42 <rust_collector> I could never make them do anything, but he used it to locate cables and pipes and stuff
21:31:18 <hsn> u believe in this ?
21:31:33 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, no i didnt
21:32:15 <rust_collector> I believe that guy did it somehow... I have no idea how
21:32:25 <K> hes a witch!
21:32:33 <Ysjoelfir> strange thing is, it realy seems to work for some people. I personally don't believe in it as I can't immagine why it could work, but: there are many cases where it works, strangely enough
21:32:44 <hsn> rust_collector, maybe he has the drawings hahahaah
21:32:53 <K> mh
21:33:02 <hsn> Dowsing is considered a pseudoscience and there is no scientific evidence that it is any more effective than random chance.[3][4] Dowsers often achieve good results because random chance has a high probability of finding water in favourable terrain.[5]
21:33:06 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, ^^
21:33:27 <Ysjoelfir> thats what I think is the reason, too.
21:33:47 <rust_collector> well, yes, around here, if you are looking for water, you just drill anywhere
21:34:23 <hsn> in here .. if u look for water outside .. it start comes out of u
21:34:30 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, you guys with your 99% energy production from water power :P
21:34:58 <hsn> yes i know all my jokes about summer hot .. but common .. the sun is hitting my brain every day
21:35:34 <rust_collector> well, back in the day, we could either make power, or watch potatoes grow...
21:35:35 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, we are going to be called "arabs the steam powered humans"
21:35:53 <Ysjoelfir> hsn, I assume you could also just walk in one direction until you drop into the sea (if you don't happen to hit the bridge to saudi arabia) xD
21:35:56 <Ysjoelfir> lol :D
21:36:05 <Ysjoelfir> rusty, yeah, true :P
21:36:09 <rust_collector> you should have a whistle implant, so if the whistle blows, you have to get into the shade
21:36:12 <hsn> yesss ^ its very close
21:36:16 <Ysjoelfir> but now you have oil!
21:36:26 <Ysjoelfir> lol, nice idea
21:36:56 <rust_collector> oh, yes, you people have not discovered steam yet...
21:37:14 <rust_collector> it was popular for some time
21:51:46 <hsn> oil is cheap and people here think solar is dominant
21:52:29 <rust_collector> yeah, do some solar things. it should work there
21:52:54 <rust_collector> but all the solar nerds live in sunny england, for some reason
21:58:03 <Ysjoelfir> "cheap"... pff :D
21:58:30 <Ysjoelfir> I know that its cheap at your place. also I was pretty..... jealous when I was in egypt and saw the gas prices. damn, that was cheap
21:59:52 <rust_collector> it is cheap
22:00:46 <Ysjoelfir> you think so?
22:01:01 <rust_collector> they would not use it if it was not cheap
22:01:15 <Ysjoelfir> well, there aren't that many alternatives, are they?
22:02:05 <rust_collector> not if you want to make plastic, or hair gel, no
22:06:04 <rust_collector> i want my own little chernobyl-machine behind the house
22:06:34 <Ysjoelfir> that would be cool. just a little tiny reactor to power my (non existing) house
22:06:48 <rust_collector> yep
22:08:05 <rust_collector> just needs to power the heating and cooling, and lights and electronic crap. the heating should be "free" with that setup. I am ok with using regular power for the bigger power items
22:08:24 <rust_collector> so, we get heat from it, we do not have cooling...
22:08:44 <Ysjoelfir> :P
22:09:48 <rust_collector> noodles are done
22:10:44 <K> you have noodling
22:11:20 <rust_collector> there are a few reactors laying around here and there... they have no control over that up here. Which I think is interesting
22:12:34 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
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22:12:39 <Nero_> aha
22:12:52 <rust_collector> UhU!
22:12:54 <Ysjoelfir> gremlinz - that seems to have worked :) thanks
22:13:04 <gremlinz> v.good
22:13:07 <gremlinz> :>
22:13:08 <Nero_> thanks whoever made me not be on the blacklist
22:13:59 <rust_collector> the blacklist was probably on an old hard drive, that failed, or something
22:14:11 <Ysjoelfir> XD
22:15:03 <Nero_> It must have been a new hard drives. Old hardrives were built properly when people took pride in what they did and wouldn´t just fail like th.... nevermind
22:15:43 <Ysjoelfir> :P
22:15:45 <rust_collector> yeah, but the old ones did not have bluetooth wifi and rgb leds
22:16:08 <Nero_> Nor were they IoT. Those were the days
22:16:30 <rust_collector> aaah, I read about that is history ebooks
22:16:48 <K> and you could do quite a lot of damage with one, if thrown
22:17:06 <Nero_> that´s all just hypothesis. Writing was invented after IoT, as we all know
22:17:15 <rust_collector> oh, so they were similar to a tractor
22:17:49 <Nero_> Obviosuly not, tractors have big bouncy round things to prevent damage when thrown
22:18:25 <rust_collector> what?
22:18:25 <Ysjoelfir> I already see that you guys will go along just fine :P
22:19:13 <rust_collector> https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/capjournal.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/ab/baba9f08-f6b1-11e8-9bc5-db1c7babad4e/5c04ad4fb1d11.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C674
22:19:31 <coppice> Nero: are you sure you are thinking of tractors, and not porn stars?
22:20:17 <Nero_> I mean, I wasn´t, but now...
22:21:18 <rust_collector> it is like when you have macarena stuck in your head, isn't it?
22:21:22 <rust_collector> eeeeee macarena
22:21:38 <Ysjoelfir> wallapapulla wihilli macarena!
22:21:48 <coppice> or macademia stuck in your teeth
22:22:45 <coppice> "I'm Dot, I'm a nut, so they call me macademia"
22:22:52 <Ysjoelfir> :P
22:22:55 <hsn> sorry got into boss talk
22:23:02 <Ysjoelfir> ewwww
22:23:07 <hsn> i mean oil barrel is much cheaper now than before
22:23:27 <hsn> check the stock graph of oil last 10 years
22:24:00 <Ysjoelfir> that could be. but: you don't notice anything of that around here.
22:24:12 <Ysjoelfir> gasoline has gotten more expensive than ever
22:24:18 <Ysjoelfir> well, up until corona
22:24:25 <Ysjoelfir> now its back down to a more reasonable level
22:25:25 <Nero_> I was gonna comment on how ofcourse it gest cheaper just when I need of it because I´m not driving to work every day anymore, but I realized that that is kinda the entire reason why
22:27:16 <rust_collector> I still want a big bendybus, with 3 seats, and 2 engines
22:27:44 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, notice in egypt the poor level is too high that the oil is cheap but people are struggling to live so its same ..
22:28:04 <hsn> in gulf countries however its different story
22:28:14 <Ysjoelfir> I want that, too, rusty.
22:28:35 <Ysjoelfir> hsn - still I want those prioces they had there xD like..... 12 cents for the liter
22:28:49 <Ysjoelfir> here its damn 1.30€ per liter
22:29:06 <Ysjoelfir> no idea if its still like that though
22:29:13 <Ysjoelfir> its already been.... 8 years
22:29:44 <hsn> before it used to be here .266 $ per liter (octane 95)
22:29:59 <hsn> 8 years ^
22:30:43 <hsn> now its .533$ / liter
22:31:31 <rust_collector> lately, it has been around 16¤ but often down to low 13s maybe 12, on sunday night, OR thursday
22:31:52 <hsn> having that said the average salary for bachelor guy 3 years graduated will be like 1350$ /month
22:32:41 <Nero_> hsn, you in US or?
22:32:53 <hsn> Nero_, i dont know other than US :D
22:32:57 <hsn> yes
22:32:59 <Ysjoelfir> thats suprisingly cheap for norge, rusty.
22:33:04 <Ysjoelfir> hsn is in bahrain :P
22:33:23 <hsn> nero u r a CD burner ?
22:33:42 <rust_collector> no no, he is a cd burner, and so much more
22:33:53 <Ysjoelfir> He also burnt rom
22:34:43 <rust_collector> I want to try that lightscribe thing some time
22:34:55 <Nero_> hehe
22:35:03 <coppice> he didn't burn the whole of rom. just 25% of it is missing
22:35:06 <Nero_> let me know when you guys get the burning rom jokes out of the way
22:35:30 <hsn> xD
22:35:57 <coppice> Nero_: you don't like a little nero worship?
22:36:16 <hsn> so rust_collector im going to have .. morning coffee now .. according to ur logic :P
22:36:31 <hsn> 1536 ^ xD
22:36:49 <rust_collector> did you just wake up?
22:37:46 <rust_collector> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Sjokoladen_Nero_2.jpg
22:37:59 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, you should look for that
22:38:07 <rust_collector> it is....different
22:38:22 <Ysjoelfir> oh god, licquorice (or however you write that) chokolate :O
22:38:31 <K> ooo, give give give, rust_collector
22:38:46 <rust_collector> Nero is a chocolate- and liquorice-based candy bar made by Nidar AS of Trondheim, Norway. It consists of a liquorice-flavoured jelly with additional aniseed and fennel oil flavourings, covered in a layer of 45%-cacao dark chocolate.
22:39:01 <Nero_> Interesting
22:39:06 <Ysjoelfir> oh god
22:39:08 <Ysjoelfir> I need that
22:39:14 <Ysjoelfir> it sounds delicious
22:39:17 <rust_collector> that is a very good description... interesting
22:57:16 <coppice> liquorice and chocolate don't go together well. they are both great on their own
22:57:59 <Nero_> I don´t like it ever
22:58:00 <K> heathen!
22:58:23 <Ysjoelfir> Lakritz (i hate the english word :D ) is great!
22:58:46 <hsn> rust_collector, no i just drink it since i woke up
23:01:38 <rust_collector> ok. you are slow
23:03:02 <rust_collector> and, so am I. just not when it comes to coffee.
23:03:34 <rust_collector> I am going outside a bit. I have schtuff to do
23:05:16 <hsn> i dont drink coffees everyday :P
23:05:27 <hsn> but yeah
23:05:28 <hsn> enjoy
23:05:30 <hsn> im slow
23:05:31 <hsn> P:
23:05:34 <Nero_> I should get more coffee
23:05:35 <Nero_> but
23:05:39 <Nero_> sitting <3
23:05:53 <rust_collector> shitting
23:06:05 <Nero_> these are not mutually exclusive activities
23:06:39 <rust_collector> not in these parts of the world, no
23:07:26 <Ysjoelfir> :D
23:07:46 <Nero_> most people here engineers or what
23:08:01 <rust_collector> I have no idea. I know I am not
23:08:37 <coppice> most people here are gender studies graduates working as fake news journalists
23:08:51 <Nero_> Should´ve known. Those people are everywhere these days
23:09:04 <Nero_> Well, I guess you figured me out, coppice
23:09:45 <Ysjoelfir> hsn is actually a toilet engineer
23:10:06 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, hahah nice
23:10:20 <rust_collector> toilet train engineer. or train toilet engineer, or.. uhm
23:10:30 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, when i join current company i went home and told my mother .. mom .. im doing toilets
23:10:41 <K> too many people!
23:10:43 <hsn> and she was like .. whatt ? why u changed ur job
23:10:56 <coppice> "mum, I got a job playing piano in a brothel"
23:11:02 <rust_collector> nothing wrong with plumbing
23:11:25 <hsn> she thought im cleaning toilets as my new job
23:11:36 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
23:11:41 <hsn> yes absoloutly nothing is wrong
23:11:45 <rust_collector> and so far, she was right
23:12:17 <Nero_> Kinda like I´m semi-officially lab-manager, but we all know it´s glorified cleaning staff
23:12:18 <hsn> infact i know many plumbers make much more money from cashiers or even some engineers
23:12:22 <Nero_> with a bigger budget
23:12:38 <hsn> rust_collector, u r right
23:12:57 <rust_collector> yaay!
23:13:14 <rust_collector> now I am going outside, while I am right
23:13:21 <hsn> enjoy
23:13:26 <hsn> dont go left
23:13:45 <coppice> how can he be right if he has left?
23:14:14 <K> duality of man
23:14:51 <Nero_> Just don´t check or you will collapse the superposition
23:15:45 <K> they never listen
23:16:20 <coppice> "I just got a job in a top physics dept. Its a super position."
23:16:27 <Ysjoelfir> :P
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23:23:24 <hsn> coppice, u can if u are shroudenger cat
23:23:52 <hsn> schroudinger
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23:26:11 <coppice> Shrodinger lacked imagination. You don't have to open the box to know if the cat is alive or dead, even if the box is sound proof. You only need to wait a while, and you know the state of the cat.
23:27:11 <Nero_> not sure if you are making a bad joke or just fail to understand quantumphysics
23:27:44 <coppice> If a tree falls and there is nobody there to hear it, will insurance still pay out for the damage is caused?
23:28:08 <coppice> Nero_: nobody understands quantum fight club
23:37:18 <Ampera> coppice, if a cat dies, and nobody is there to pet it in its last moments, is humanity even alive?
23:39:01 <hsn> Ampera, is humanity alive even ?
23:39:46 <K> i can has cheezburger?
23:39:48 <Nero_> humanity alive is odd
23:45:37 <hsn> Nero_, u can make it familier
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