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00:53:00 <DHess_US> https://www.quora.com/Can-you-share-a-photo-of-the-most-dangerous-example-of-a-handymans-work/answer/Paul-Watson-98?ch=10&share=fc2f076c&srid=C3sS
01:39:40 Topic Is: Official IRC channel of the EEVBlog - www.eevblog.com
01:39:40 Set By: (Halcyon) on: Mon Dec 17 17:18:40 2018
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03:10:01 <DHess_US> https://imgur.com/gallery/VD3kbRX
03:10:56 <coppice> no shit
03:11:31 <DHess_US> https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-2918479c6bf61d5ddd53758a3a7de1b8
04:07:09 <DHess_US> https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-1f09294debe869f7f7cb9665cdfad6a4
04:20:55 <K> it't the thought that counts!
05:31:12 <DHess_US> "Defuckulate" - Deviant Ollam
06:43:07 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/GwfZdVA.jpg
06:55:18 <DHess_US> https://i.ylilauta.org/37/51b836bc.jpg
07:16:39 <gremlinz> https://i.imgur.com/pFlfn51.jpg
07:18:08 <coppice> that's so beautiful
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11:22:49 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: My business park just hit $14,800/sqm for new stock small office space. Insane. I paid $3900/sqm for mine.
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12:17:09 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I don't think I need another whiteboard https://t.co/vE6RospmDD
12:19:21 <DHess_US> AVX512 is simple they said. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXSRqJXXUAE0s4J.jpg:large
12:22:09 <Ampera> well then
12:29:13 * T3sl4 extends Ampera
12:29:23 * Ampera hugs T3sl4
12:29:27 <T3sl4> *hugs*
13:54:52 * orbii wrinkles nose
14:37:01 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Trying not to be a slacker this month https://t.co/63uu2rkqTi
14:49:06 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: So I have 1200+ videos on my own server. QUESTION: Is there an easy to install web based video player that can just point to this directory and let viewers select and play a video? https://t.co/5e60xUYKux
14:51:06 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: And yes I know about Peertube and will look into that, but I just want something simpler and more standalone that just plays my videos files.
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19:18:43 <Halcyon> Evening all
19:18:52 * Halcyon hugs Ampera
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20:39:33 <Alex> hello
20:39:39 <Halcyon> Evening Alex
20:40:39 <Alex> i'm a seller,want to cooperate with you,is that possible?
20:41:00 <Halcyon> A seller of what?
20:42:18 <steve30> hi
20:42:24 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
20:42:57 * steve30 is still a bit sniffly
20:43:09 <Alex> Power supply,soldering station,Oscilloscope, something like that
20:43:42 * steve30 hugs Halcyon
20:43:45 <Halcyon> Probably talking to the wrong people, Dave doesn't hang out here and most of us go to reputable sellers such a Digikey, Element14 etc...
20:43:57 <Halcyon> Most of us are fans/moderators
20:44:13 <Halcyon> Poor thing Steve
20:44:19 <Halcyon> I had a shit week, I'm really feeling down
20:44:26 <Alex> ok, sorry ....
20:44:31 <Halcyon> No need to be sorry
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20:46:00 <Halcyon> I sense that "Alex" was really Wang Xiu Ying from Shenzhen
20:48:40 <steve30> I have to go out in the cold in a bit
20:48:50 <Halcyon> You do that every day
20:49:28 <steve30> want to come and warm me up?
20:50:49 <Halcyon> I would love to
20:50:53 <Halcyon> Want to come cheer me up?
20:51:12 <steve30> sure
20:51:24 * steve30 pets Halcyon
20:51:29 <Halcyon> :)
20:51:45 <Halcyon> Also, please vote in my poll: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-video-libarary/
20:52:06 <Halcyon> (Yes, I know I initially misspelled "Library"
20:54:47 <steve30> done
20:59:30 <steve30> I finally downloaded all the Keeping Up Appearences :)
21:03:28 <Halcyon> Did it speed up at all?
21:03:34 <Halcyon> Or were you still having problems?
21:03:56 <steve30> not really. Didn't get any more than 150KB/s
21:04:17 <Halcyon> That is really unusual. I'm wondering if the NIC in that server is either overheating or failing
21:04:22 <Halcyon> No drop outs?
21:04:33 <steve30> Although I could do three or four 150KB/s files simultaneously.
21:04:49 <Halcyon> Yeh that is strange.
21:04:52 <steve30> A couple did fail. Not sure if that was something on my end or your end though.
21:05:09 <Halcyon> I'll look into it, not something I've deliberately set up
21:05:29 <Halcyon> You should basically be able to max out my link (assuming you can download at more than 10 Mbps)
21:05:40 <steve30> What kind of machine is it?
21:05:47 <Halcyon> It's a proper IBM server
21:06:13 <Halcyon> Two physical Xeon procs (not sure how many cores each) and 34GB RAM
21:06:33 <steve30> nice
21:06:45 <Halcyon> I mean it's a hypervisor so it does run other machines
21:06:53 <steve30> Do you have VDSL for internet access?
21:06:58 <Halcyon> But my cloud server has plenty of resources
21:07:01 <Halcyon> Yes, VDSL2
21:07:16 <Halcyon> About 40/10 connection is as good as I can get on shitty copper lines
21:11:03 <Halcyon> Have you watched any more episodes?
21:11:08 <steve30> yup
21:11:27 <steve30> I'm up to series 2
21:13:51 <steve30> I suppose I'd best go out
21:14:06 * steve30 hisses at the cold
21:15:40 <Halcyon> I honestly can't believe you've never seen it
21:15:54 <Halcyon> Especially since you appreciate older things and you're from the UK
21:29:12 * orbii pets 100/40 vdsl
21:31:55 <Halcyon> Orbii, that in itself is depressing since it's the best a small number of NBN customers can get
21:32:09 <Halcyon> We should be aiming for 1Gbps speeds, let along 10Gbps like NZ
21:32:48 <orbii> both locations ive had NBN were both happily 100/40
21:32:58 <Halcyon> I saw a speedtest the other day from one of the trial customers in NZ, 8 Gbps symmetrical
21:33:23 <Halcyon> I'm on almost 1100 metres of copper
21:33:31 <orbii> i think i have 80m?
21:33:36 <Halcyon> 40 down is the best I'll get, even after co-existence ends
21:33:44 <orbii> and previously 40-ish - but that was FTTC
21:33:57 <Halcyon> FTTC should be up around 100
21:34:06 <orbii> so is FTTN on short lines
21:34:12 <Halcyon> Absolutely
21:34:22 <orbii> the modem says it's connecting at 150/60
21:34:25 <orbii> or similar
21:34:26 <Halcyon> But if you're only getting 40 on FTTC, I'd suggest there is a problem somewhere
21:34:41 <orbii> uh, nobody would be getting anything less than 100/40 on fttc
21:34:49 <orbii> assuming that's what they're paying for
21:34:57 <Halcyon> <orbii> and previously 40-ish - but that was FTTC
21:35:02 <Halcyon> Maybe I misunderstood?
21:35:03 <orbii> 40-ish *meters*
21:35:14 <orbii> given my previous line was 80m
21:35:14 <Halcyon> Ah yes
21:35:20 <Halcyon> Sorry, I thought you meant Mbps
21:35:22 <orbii> no.
21:35:25 <orbii> 100/40
21:35:26 <Halcyon> My mistake
21:35:31 <Halcyon> Yes 40 metres is nothing
21:35:40 <orbii> no idea on possible connection speeds as the NBN provides its own VDSL modem
21:35:48 <Halcyon> It just pisses me off what the Government did
21:35:49 <orbii> they've apparently deployed DPUs capable of 250
21:36:07 <Halcyon> Yup
21:36:42 <orbii> i would prefer FTTH - but that wont happen until i can purchase another house
21:36:43 <Halcyon> I had line issues from day one, I told them exactly where the fault(s) was/were (and it wasn't my home).
21:37:06 <Halcyon> It took them 6 months, endless appointments (some of them they never showed) until they finally agreed to network remediation.
21:37:20 <Halcyon> They could have replaced the damn line with fibre and be done with it
21:37:47 <orbii> they will - if you're happy to pay for it
21:37:57 <orbii> you could be paying $10-30k
21:38:02 <Halcyon> Just the other day, next door, open circuit, similar issues to me. The replaced the shitty copper, with more copper
21:38:12 <Halcyon> If it were $10k, I'd pay it
21:38:20 <Halcyon> It's likely to be several times that
21:38:22 <orbii> moving a single customer from FTTN to FTTH isnt straight forward
21:38:30 <Halcyon> I fully understand that
21:38:47 <orbii> and unfortunately with the way they've done FTTN, even moving to FTTC is ridiculous
21:38:53 <orbii> hopefully they're not still deploying FTTN
21:38:59 <Halcyon> But when ten's if not hundred's of customers in the same area are having similar problems, why not just bite the bullet and run fibre down the main roads?
21:39:19 <orbii> i'm glad at least the compromise of FTTC has appeared - and mostly replaced those sites that were previously deemed to get FTTN
21:39:32 <Halcyon> In my case, all the overhead joints were corroded
21:39:41 <orbii> there was talk of moving suburbs with poor FTTN to get remediation to FTTC
21:40:01 <Halcyon> It seems like too little, too late
21:40:09 <orbii> it's all too little too late
21:40:18 <orbii> without personally paying to remediate, *shrug*
21:40:40 <orbii> this is the shitty country we're in with the shitty govt options
21:41:09 * orbii thinks of South Park's 'Douche and Turd' reference.
21:41:16 <Halcyon> I get around -107 dBm (2/5 bars) on my phone and still manage to pull over 100 Mbps down on my mobile
21:41:38 <orbii> (aka 'giant douche' in one corner, vs. 'turd sandwich' in the other - labor vs. liberal)
21:42:52 <Halcyon> Yup
21:49:09 <Ampera> fuck it's cold
21:49:16 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
21:49:18 <Halcyon> I need a cuddle
21:49:26 * Ampera throws a kitten at Halcyon
21:49:33 <Halcyon> Stupid cat
21:50:59 <orbii> cold. lol.
21:51:19 <Ampera> 31f/-1C
21:51:20 <Halcyon> orbii: Ampera is from Retardistan
21:51:24 <Halcyon> Cold actually means cold
21:51:47 <Halcyon> Not like here where it's currently 23-24C indoors
21:52:18 <orbii> only that cool indoors here because of hvac
21:52:37 <Halcyon> I have mine on 'fan' and the windows open
21:52:39 <Halcyon> It's lovely outside
21:52:52 <orbii> it was still >30C outside when we were outside earlier
21:52:56 <Halcyon> Yuck
21:53:07 <orbii> currently ~27C outside
21:53:21 <orbii> and that's .. 10pm
21:53:24 <Halcyon> I'm >700 metres ASL so it's not that hot
21:53:31 <orbii> ASAL?
21:53:36 <orbii> above sea-level?
21:53:38 <Halcyon> Above Sea Level
21:53:39 <orbii> yeah, i'm at about the same
21:53:54 <orbii> i wish it helped that much
21:57:32 <Ampera> I am getting a stupid level of stick going to school
21:58:06 <Ampera> I've dropped all my classes for next semester and am canceling my enrollment, officially as of Tuesday.
22:02:05 <Halcyon> Joy
22:02:41 <Halcyon> Meanwhile, I'm teaching a subject on a Master's level course whilst also undertaking said course as a student and not having done that subject yet
22:02:59 <Halcyon> Yet, I can't get RPL, even though the university pays me to lecture
22:05:19 <Ampera> I just want today to be over with
22:05:23 <K> hello
22:05:23 <EEVBlog> Hello there, K!
22:05:24 <Ampera> so I can go the fuck back to sleep
22:05:26 <K> yay
22:05:34 Mode: (by Ampera) +v EEVBlog
22:08:00 <Halcyon> Ampera, I just want my fuckwit of a boss to be over with
22:08:14 <Halcyon> I have not felt this depressed in many, many years
22:08:29 <Ampera> Tonight I am literally being forced to attend an event called "Long Night Against Procrastination"
22:08:37 <Halcyon> Uhh
22:08:41 <Halcyon> Honestly?
22:08:44 <K> pfft
22:08:49 <Halcyon> You would be better off masturbating
22:09:04 <Ampera> it's on the 5th floor of my school, complete with pizza/drink/snacks, therapy animals (including a therapy pig), and a couple of my friends there.
22:09:08 <K> procrustination
22:09:12 <Ampera> sounds like a really fucking nice place to procrastinate
22:09:23 <Halcyon> Well, pigs ARE kew
22:09:25 <Halcyon> But still
22:09:41 <Ampera> whatever I can knock some work out I don't want to do
22:09:45 <Halcyon> Hanging around with in a place you don't want to be, with a group of people, doing not much
22:10:07 <Ampera> oh, I thought a fun thing to do in my C# class would be to implement some problems using C standard library functions instead of C# functions.
22:10:21 <Halcyon> Um... that doesn't sound good?
22:10:28 <Ampera> why not
22:10:32 <Halcyon> (You're forgetting I am not a developer)
22:10:40 <Ampera> uh
22:10:42 <Halcyon> I have no idea?
22:10:57 <Ampera> basically using libraries intended really for one language in another.
22:10:59 <Halcyon> It's like saying "Blah is implementing blah, because of blah"
22:11:08 <Halcyon> Right, got ya
22:11:21 <Halcyon> Still doesn't sound ideal, but I guess "fun" if you're into that?
22:11:28 <Ampera> since I can make arbitrary calls to DLLs, even if the functions are implemented in C, and msvcrt.dll contains the windows standard C library
22:11:45 <Ampera> well maybe it makes more sense to me, but it's not something my teacher will be expecting.
22:11:54 <Halcyon> By the way Ampera, I still intend on hiring you one day, when I make lots of money
22:11:57 <Halcyon> You can work from home
22:13:18 <Ampera> if I can do it as a sparky that's awesome
22:13:37 <Ampera> btw did i show you the wage set I'd get as an apprentice?
22:13:50 <Ampera> http://www.tricityjatc.org/uploads/apprentice-wage-and-benefit-schedule/1531404483_APPRENTICE-WAGE-BENEFIT-SCHEDULE-2018.pdf
22:13:58 <Ampera> kick fucking ass wage curve and benefit package
22:15:39 <Halcyon> I guess that's good?
22:15:50 <Halcyon> I'm guessing that's per hour
22:16:14 <Halcyon> What are those other figures? Per week?
22:16:18 <Ampera> 15.40 an hour is about as much as my mom makes
22:16:20 <Ampera> yes
22:16:34 <Halcyon> Yep, decent money
22:16:43 <Halcyon> Gees, electricians must charge a mint over there
22:17:45 <Ampera> Keep in mind this is only capital region in NY
22:17:56 <Ampera> prices can be way different in other parts of the nation
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22:18:09 <Halcyon> Ah yes, true
22:18:46 <K> youll get filthy rich and fat soon then, Ampera
22:18:56 <Ampera> Just like I should be.
22:19:10 <Ampera> The best part of it all is that I will have almost no debts.
22:19:10 <K> aye
22:19:41 <Ampera> My car is well paid for, and I have 1200 dollars in school loans
22:20:00 <K> trade school has no tuition fees or whats it called?
22:20:07 <Ampera> what trade school
22:20:10 <Ampera> this is an apprenticeship
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22:20:25 <K> oh damn, must've missed something
22:20:28 <Ampera> while there is a classroom section, it's free
22:20:35 <Halcyon> I wish my student loans were that much
22:20:40 <Ampera> K, you don't get paid to go to trade school normally
22:20:42 <Halcyon> I think I'll be owing about $20k when I'm done
22:20:59 <Ampera> I could kill that loan in a couple months if I threw money at it.
22:21:01 <Halcyon> I mean all of it is tax deductible but still
22:21:14 <Ampera> and because of the laws of interest, I will be throwing money at it.
22:21:37 <Halcyon> We don't pay interest on our post-grad loans
22:21:46 <Halcyon> Undergrad, I think you do ?
22:22:00 <Ampera> The interest is fairly low, and there's not much to interest.
22:22:13 <Halcyon> Yeh, it's usually some nominal amount
22:24:12 <Ampera> will you be here in about 40 minutes, Halcyon?
22:24:22 <Halcyon> I think so
22:24:30 <Ampera> I'm leaving in a few minutes
22:24:38 <Ampera> gonna take the bus, because I'm too damn tired to walk there
22:24:54 <Ampera> thank fuck I only have three more weeks of this shit
22:25:06 <Halcyon> Sounds like we both need a hug
22:25:09 <Halcyon> Talk soon friend
22:25:20 <Ampera> awegege
22:54:53 * Ampera drenches Halcyon in air
22:55:28 <Halcyon> Heh
22:55:40 <Halcyon> Meh, I feel like shit
22:55:58 <Ampera> why
22:56:04 <Ampera> nvm stupid question
22:56:07 <Halcyon> Just work
22:56:16 <Halcyon> Emotionally drained
22:56:30 <Ampera> I have to design an oral presentation on the breakup of yugoslavia
22:57:01 <Halcyon> Normally I'd make a joke about oral, but meh
22:57:11 * Ampera gives Halcyon head
22:57:35 <Halcyon> Overly sexual :P
22:57:50 <Ampera> Well I don't leave here for another 11 hours
22:58:07 <Halcyon> What does that have to do with it?
22:58:35 <Ampera> nothing, I'm starting an unrelated subject
22:58:40 <Halcyon> Cool
22:58:58 <Ampera> at least I get to pet a pig today.
22:59:06 <Halcyon> Photos please
22:59:34 <Ampera> what will be funny is I have a muslim friend who is coming, and I know he doesn't eat pork, I just don't know how muslims interact with walking pork
23:00:53 <Halcyon> Isn't it like Indians and cows? As long as you don't eat it?
23:01:32 <Ampera> no because muslims consider pork unclean, and indians consider cows something among the lines of holy
23:01:37 <Ampera> well hindus
23:02:01 <Ampera> and afaik they do eat cows, but it's more like eating your pet pig than anything else
23:02:30 <Ampera> there is some ominous beeping coming from down the hall
23:02:47 <Ampera> might actually be the cafeteria
23:02:57 <Ampera> maybe I should get something from it today
23:04:21 <Halcyon> Get whatever is beeping
23:04:48 <Ampera> mmm, beeping shitty cafeteria food
23:05:07 <Ampera> whatever's beeping is probably closer to charcoal than food tbh
23:05:29 <Halcyon> What do they normally have there?
23:05:47 <Ampera> expensive toxic waste they scoop out of the mohawk
23:06:00 <Halcyon> Specifically though
23:06:23 <Ampera> a breakfast menu with things like sandwiches, eggs, hash browns, some other crap
23:06:38 <Ampera> "lunch" menu (they close at 2) with burgers, fries, pizza
23:06:41 <Halcyon> So just anything that can be frozen
23:06:50 <Ampera> one burger, one slice of pizza and one set of fries costs around ten bucks
23:06:56 <Ampera> which is absolute bullshit
23:07:40 <Ampera> for the same money, actually a good bit less, I could go to the KFC not far down the street and get a 9 peice bucket of dark meat fried chicken
23:09:22 <Halcyon> KFC is so good
23:09:26 <Halcyon> But so bad
23:09:55 <Ampera> they're fine
23:10:00 <Ampera> not as good as popeyes
23:10:14 <Ampera> but that's about 2 or so miles away
23:10:25 <Halcyon> We don't have Popeyes here
23:10:30 <K> we had a kfc open two years ago
23:10:50 <Halcyon> Your first KFC K?
23:11:00 <K> year in they had a massive scandal wrt to hygene and kitchen staff
23:11:02 <K> no, never had
23:11:07 <K> probs never will
23:11:15 <K> after the pictures that were published
23:11:35 <Halcyon> I find KFC here is quite slow and staff sometimes have no idea
23:11:48 <Halcyon> Where as McDonalds everywhere is like a well oiled machine
23:11:48 <K> i know no locals that go there
23:11:52 <Ampera> KFCs tend to have the poorest run restraunts, but they're still alright around here
23:12:05 <K> it is quite packed usually though, tourists probably
23:12:05 <Ampera> the best run restraunts are chick-fil-a
23:12:14 <Ampera> those are fucking awesome businesses.
23:12:47 <K> fucking!
23:12:55 <Halcyon> I know it's a play on "Fillet" but to me, I read that initially as "Chicken-Fill-Uh"
23:13:21 <Halcyon> Even Fillet here is known as "Fill-ette" not "Fill-aye"
23:13:56 <Ampera> if you ever come here Halcyon, we'll have to go get some
23:14:01 <Halcyon> For sure
23:14:03 <Ampera> might have to drive a while to do it, but by fuck
23:14:21 <Halcyon> I think I can drive on my licence over there?
23:14:27 <Halcyon> Shouldn't be an issue
23:14:29 <Ampera> btw, Halcyon, I believe I may be able to come to Australia in 2021
23:14:35 <Halcyon> \o/
23:14:48 <Ampera> afaik you can, but our roads are some of the most unique in the world
23:15:03 <Halcyon> I just have to swap to the other side?
23:15:11 <Ampera> and if you drive interstate, signage, road paint, and even rules can change a good bit
23:15:18 <Halcyon> Friends of mine have driven there, they said it was pretty easy
23:15:32 <Halcyon> Fair enough
23:15:45 <Ampera> All speed is in MPH, right of way laws are a bit different, and litterally every sign is completely different to what you're used to
23:16:04 <Halcyon> Example?
23:16:06 <Ampera> even what lane you're supposed to be in to turn is completely different from one state to the next
23:16:35 <Ampera> where I live we have center turning lanes, one long lane down the entire middle of the road which you can turn into and wait when you're going to turn into a road
23:16:42 <K> thank goodnes all state drive on the same side of road!
23:17:01 <Ampera> places like Conneticut don't ahve that, and instead will have dedicated turning lanes for different purposes with complicated signs that you need to understand to decipher
23:17:08 <Ampera> K nope
23:17:17 <K> they don't"
23:17:19 <K> ?
23:17:24 <Ampera> all 50 states do, but not all of the US does
23:17:29 <Ampera> US virgin islands drives on the left
23:17:36 <K> welp, there goes my joke
23:17:51 <Ampera> it's actually I believe a violation of the geneva conventions
23:18:18 <Halcyon> Our road rules here are common across the country
23:18:33 <Halcyon> There is a standard set (which applies everywhere) then state-specific ones
23:18:38 <Ampera> Halcyon, signs like one way, don't enter, dead end, and yield are all different here
23:18:41 <Halcyon> But they don't relate to signage etc...
23:18:54 <Ampera> The street lights are also different with their own specific rules that also change from state to state
23:19:03 <Halcyon> Yield is just give way right?
23:19:11 <Ampera> sorta
23:19:40 <Ampera> for example, can you right turn on red in Australia?
23:19:45 <Ampera> or left turn
23:19:56 <Halcyon> Only where a sign says specifically it's permitted
23:20:02 <Halcyon> No sign means you can't
23:20:06 <Ampera> here it's anywhere you want unless a sign says you can't
23:20:18 <Ampera> even if there are pedestrians
23:20:27 <Halcyon> Same as U-Turns at lights, it's unlawful unless a sign permits it
23:20:56 <Ampera> U-Turns have varying levels of legality, that's one of the more stranger things here afaik
23:21:21 <Ampera> that being said, if you do come here, do not, and I repeat do NOT drive in New England
23:21:26 <Ampera> you will literally die
23:21:28 <Halcyon> Pretty much, if there is a sign here that says you can/can't do a thing, then the Australian Road Rules apply
23:21:50 <Halcyon> And those are applied uniformly across the whole country
23:22:10 <Ampera> like I'd actually insist on driving you through any part of New England if you decided to come here.
23:22:18 <Halcyon> Victoria for example have Hook Turns (which is a right turn from a left lane) but no where else has them
23:23:09 <Halcyon> Friends of mine drove in Vegas I think and various other places
23:23:17 <Ampera> also never drive through NYC unless you can A. speak car horn and B. reincarnate
23:23:19 <Halcyon> But mainly vagas
23:23:26 <Halcyon> Hah
23:23:28 <Halcyon> Sounds like Sydney
23:23:30 <Ampera> Vegas is wide open desert
23:23:51 <Ampera> unless you're in the bad favours of the mafia, you're fine
23:24:14 <Halcyon> It's mainly Taxi Drivers in Sydney you need to look out for
23:24:21 <Halcyon> They just do as they please
23:24:28 <Ampera> In New England, everyone does as they please.
23:24:41 <Ampera> If you ever see a decent sized intersection, it's literally anarchy
23:24:45 <Halcyon> Red lights for example are just a suggestion
23:25:18 <Ampera> Boston is probably the worst city in the US for driving too.
23:25:29 <Halcyon> Nothing would please me more if they got rid of speed cameras but every traffic light had a red light camera
23:25:52 <Ampera> it's basically everything wrong with every other part of New England, but half the people there are Irish, and the other half steer with a pair of vise grips instead of a wheel
23:26:00 <Halcyon> Hah
23:26:05 <Halcyon> Gees
23:26:44 <Ampera> also, in the parts of Connecticut where I was born, sidewalks were afterthoughts
23:27:02 <K> all of this sounds terrible.
23:27:17 <Ampera> K, it is.
23:27:22 <Halcyon> The opposite here is true. Footpaths used to be huge in Sydney but the roads were small
23:27:26 <K> thats why i don't drive
23:27:30 <Ampera> people get hit like nuts in New England.
23:27:31 <Halcyon> So they chopped into the footpath
23:27:42 <Halcyon> K: You don't drive at all?>
23:28:07 <Ampera> there are some intersections in Bristol that basically have mortality lists as long as my arm
23:28:32 <Halcyon> See, to me, road rules are logical. Like IF, THEN, ELSE statements
23:28:46 <Halcyon> If everyone followed them, the roads would be 99.9% safe
23:28:54 <steve30> hi Halcyon
23:28:57 <Halcyon> But people are assholes
23:28:58 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
23:29:13 <Ampera> IF pedestrian THEN points += 100 ELSE express feelings with accelerator
23:29:16 <steve30> i'm back from the cold
23:29:34 * Halcyon lends Steve a pair of boardshorts
23:29:52 <steve30> :)
23:30:34 <steve30> I called at Wilkinsons for some KY Jelly. I couldn't help but wonder why the condoms had 'security protected' stickers on them.
23:30:35 <Ampera> I wish I could go back home and back to bed
23:30:48 <Ampera> that this was somehow just wednesday, or that all my classes get mysteriously canceled
23:31:11 * Halcyon sends Steve a bulk pump-pack of KY
23:31:25 <Ampera> condoms are for conservatives who are too racist to want HIV
23:31:28 <Ampera> fucking nazi scum
23:31:31 <Halcyon> :P
23:31:43 <Halcyon> Ampera, honestly, I could sleep for the next 14 hours
23:32:04 <steve30> sleep ftw
23:32:06 <Ampera> If I could choose between not being able to get out of bed for the next 36 hours and being here today, I would be in bed so fucking fast
23:32:45 <K> Halcyon: no, i do not have the license
23:32:55 <Halcyon> If/when you come here, I will try and make your stay as relaxing as possible
23:32:56 <K> nor car
23:33:05 <K> nor the place to keep the said car
23:33:10 <Halcyon> K: You're near a big city I take it?
23:33:19 <K> i am in the capital
23:33:28 <Halcyon> For me, I drive 80 KM to work
23:33:34 <Halcyon> But Sydney is a huge place
23:33:45 <K> i live in the old town and walk to work, 20 mins
23:33:51 <Halcyon> I do enjoy driving though
23:34:03 <Halcyon> Especially Police cars
23:34:07 <Ampera> I genuinely believe I'll be able to come some time in 2021
23:34:17 <Halcyon> I hope so Ampera, and I mean that
23:34:53 <Halcyon> I'll hook up a visit to Dave's lab
23:34:54 <Ampera> no clue how much paid vacation I'd be afforded, but whatever I have, so long as I can afford to do so (and I'll probably be able to), i'll fly over.
23:35:12 <Ampera> That visit might actually be more meaningful since I'll be a sparky
23:35:15 <Halcyon> If you can make it here, everything whilst you're here would be covered
23:35:51 <Ampera> We'll see about that, but I should be able to well afford air fare
23:36:00 <Halcyon> :)
23:36:16 <Halcyon> Anyway, I'm going to go lay in bed and watch Big Clive and John Ward
23:36:22 <Ampera> alright, good night fren
23:36:23 <Halcyon> Talk when I wake up?
23:36:27 <Ampera> when do you wake up
23:36:41 <Ampera> if it's in +8 hours or something, then I'll still be working on stuff
23:36:45 <Ampera> I might be on IRC idk
23:36:47 <Halcyon> +9 to 10 hours?
23:37:22 <Ampera> I'll be home at around +11 hours most likely, and before then I should be on irc from +8 hours on
23:37:32 <Halcyon> Copy
23:37:36 <Ampera> ciao
23:37:38 <Halcyon> I'll talk to you when you get home
23:37:40 <Halcyon> Night all
23:38:10 <K> nn
23:45:57 <steve30> wow, next door is up for sale
23:46:20 <rust_collector> buy it
23:46:43 * Ampera gives rust_collector a hot bowl of pumpkin & rabbit soup
23:46:59 <rust_collector> thanks
23:47:07 <Ampera> you're welcome, ma'am
23:47:11 <rust_collector> lol
23:47:33 <Ampera> it's 7:47, time for a double decker
23:47:37 <rust_collector> do you really have pumpkin and rabbit soup?
23:47:44 <Ampera> no, fortunately
23:47:52 <Ampera> because while rabbit is alright, pumpkin soup is nasty
23:48:18 <Ampera> all I have is sleep deprivation
23:48:23 <rust_collector> I have never tried it, but ok
23:50:29 <Ampera> it's eh
23:50:31 <Ampera> weird
23:53:09 <rust_collector> pumpkins are not used much over here. I would not mind some rabbit stew
23:53:35 <Ampera> rabbit in general is slightly weird for me, because I have a pet bunny
23:54:37 <rust_collector> that is a thing.
23:55:17 <rust_collector> we had a few, a while ago. In the end we gave them away.
23:55:41 <rust_collector> How old can a rabbit get?
23:56:03 <Ampera> I believe they last around 8-12 years
23:56:08 <Ampera> but it can be more or less
23:56:17 <rust_collector> hmm, ok
23:58:45 <rust_collector> I grew up working on farms, so I think I got over any issues with eating pets.
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