// #eevblog — 2019-11-08
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01:47:02 <DHess_US> Ampera, it is just something to consider. Check how it works in your state.
03:54:05 <coppice> how does swearing make a video non-kid friendly? its just they kind of thing kids love
03:55:29 <DHess_US> Dude, think of the children!
03:55:49 <DHess_US> Somewhere baby AT&T Jesus is crying because I downloaded high definition video without paying extra.
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09:21:52 <Halcyon> Morning Ampera
09:33:54 <steve30> hi Halcyon
09:34:04 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
09:34:35 <steve30> My snom phone arrived, and connects nicely to my Andrews & Arnold voip service. Maybe I'll call you some time :)
09:35:26 <Halcyon> Oh nice :) Yeh anytime you like. I wouldn't actually mind giving my phone a proper test to make sure it doesn't drop on longer calls
09:36:26 <steve30> If you give me your phone's extension number and IP/domain, I should be able to call directly
09:36:59 <Halcyon> I just PM'd you my phone number, it's an actual SIP trunk though, not an IP
09:37:30 <Halcyon> Standby... I'll have to see how to get it to work the other way
09:39:40 <Halcyon> It looks like it *can* be done, but has serious security implications.
09:39:56 <Halcyon> At the moment, my firewall only allows SIP connections directly from my SIP provider, no one else.
09:41:13 <steve30> It may work if I call your SIP provider. For example you can call me by using sip:[email protected] (I think), and that will connect you to my sip provider
09:41:36 <Halcyon> I'm using a physical phone though
09:41:40 <Halcyon> I can only dial digits
09:42:03 <steve30> ah, mine lets you dial a URL like a softphone would :)
09:42:23 <steve30> Try and just dial +441709299546
09:42:39 <Halcyon> Unless I can add a SIP URI to the directory, hold on...
09:43:23 <steve30> Mine wouldn't let me call your number for some reason
09:44:04 <Halcyon> Have you set up the right dial patterns?
09:44:51 <steve30> I'm calling straight through my VOIP provider, so no PBX involved here.
09:45:04 <Halcyon> Oh right
09:45:15 <Halcyon> They might block International calls to "normal" numbers due to cost?
09:45:33 <steve30> Shouldn't do. Its only 3p/minute
09:45:50 <Halcyon> I'm just looking at the charge rates, whats a "UK Personal Number" ?
09:45:54 <Halcyon> It's like 80c/min!
09:46:04 <steve30> 070 number?
09:46:09 <Halcyon> *shrug*
09:46:40 <Halcyon> https://www.aussiebroadband.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/VOIP-International-Call-Rates.pdf
09:46:45 <steve30> Sounds like 070 :)
09:47:00 <steve30> brb food
09:47:04 <Halcyon> I'm guessing I would be calling you on the normal "UK" Tariff
09:47:12 <Halcyon> Same, coffee...
09:47:57 <Halcyon> Well, I'm happy to give it a go when you're back
09:54:57 <steve30> yeah, UK @ $0.05
09:55:08 <Halcyon> I'm just double checking with them
09:55:46 <steve30> I'm pretty sure the Personal numbers one is 070 which is dodgy premium rate stuff.
09:55:55 <Halcyon> Yeh that's what I'm thinking too
09:56:24 <steve30> Not to be confused with mobiles which are 071, 072, etc
09:57:44 <Halcyon> Wow, the audio codec rate is really low
09:57:50 <Halcyon> 21KB/sec
09:57:57 <Halcyon> Sounds actually quite decent
09:59:22 <Halcyon> Actually it's less than that, it's 21 Kilobits
10:00:06 <DHess_US> Um, 21 kilobits is almost full speed.
10:00:23 <Halcyon> Steve, what's the state/area you live in?
10:00:24 <DHess_US> If your lossy codec is producing 21 kilobits, then it is broken.
10:02:20 <Halcyon> They couldn't answer the question, that number prefix isn't coming up on their rate card, I'm guessing because it's a VoIP number range?
10:02:30 <Halcyon> But nevermind, I'm happy to give it a test if you're not busy now?
10:05:10 <Halcyon> DHess_US, not sure what the codec is
10:05:27 <Halcyon> It will be slightly less than that, that's overall traffic on the port, including TCP/IP overhead
10:05:42 <Halcyon> It is some form of HD Voice codec though
10:05:50 <Halcyon> So a few KB/sec isn't bad
10:05:58 <DHess_US> Well typical companded codecs are 32 Kb/sec
10:06:14 <Halcyon> *shrug* No idea
10:06:25 <DHess_US> That's the benchmark to work against. If you are getting 21, then that just sucks as far as compression.
10:06:39 <Halcyon> If the calls work, I'm not really fussed. Less is better in my opinion.
10:07:54 <DHess_US> I've had very poor results with lossy voice codecs. I much prefer the old 32 and 64 kbit per second a-law and u-law companding codecs.
10:08:25 <Halcyon> Those are very old school and sound garbage.
10:08:41 <DHess_US> Companding 64 kbits/sec which is 8k samples/sec at 8 bits produces 12 bit results.
10:08:45 <DHess_US> So about 72 dB.
10:08:54 <DHess_US> hahah, what?
10:09:05 <DHess_US> a-law and u-law are *companders*
10:09:34 <DHess_US> They produce 72 bits of analog dynamic range, 12 bits, through an 8 bit data channel.
10:10:02 <DHess_US> They are *better* than a straight 8 bits
10:10:06 <Halcyon> Ah yes true
10:10:14 <Halcyon> I'm just trying to work out what this is using
10:10:49 <DHess_US> It should just say somewhere what voice codec it is using.
10:11:14 <DHess_US> When I ran a SIP phone I had that data available in real time.
10:11:51 <DHess_US> Companding also has the advantage of being stateless so data corruption is just loss of data.
10:11:52 <Halcyon> Yeh I'm just going to jump into SSH and see if it comes up in the debugging info, it's probably somewhere in the GUI but I can't find it
10:12:52 <DHess_US> The phone companies were always big about pushing voice compression because it could multiply their voice capacity several times but it always sounded like shit to me no matter how much they lied.
10:14:19 * steve30 returns with dinner
10:14:30 <Halcyon> Yeh, no idea *shrug* Problem for later I think
10:14:42 <steve30> feel free to ring
10:15:24 <Halcyon> Mm that didn't work.... hold on need to fiddle with the rules I think
10:17:00 <Halcyon> Ahh had to enable international dialling...
10:17:28 <Halcyon> Might take a moment for the provider to update
10:19:17 <Halcyon> Nope, it really doesn't like that number
10:19:48 <Halcyon> Can you call it directly from a normal phone over there?
10:20:15 <steve30> ah, I see why I can't call you. I have international calls set to 'free only'. I'll have to get the sales dept to sort it in the morning
10:20:28 <steve30> Halcyon, I'll try in a bit
10:20:32 <Halcyon> Okies
10:25:26 <Ampera> Hi Halcyon
10:25:32 <Halcyon> Howdy
10:25:45 <Ampera> cor am I fucked
10:25:51 <Halcyon> Long day?
10:25:56 <Ampera> Three hours of sleep
10:25:57 <Ampera> and yes long day
10:26:01 <Ampera> I'm there from 8 to 6
10:27:02 <Halcyon> Yeh doesn't seem to be connecting Steve. I'm not sure why.
10:27:28 <steve30> nothing ringing here.
10:28:06 <Halcyon> I had to enable IDD at my provider, I'm just wondering if it takes a while to update on the account?
10:28:14 <steve30> might do
10:28:40 <Halcyon> I guess we can try tomorrow
10:29:47 <steve30> what model phone do you have?
10:30:02 <Halcyon> Sangoma S505
10:30:40 <Halcyon> DHess_US, it looks like the codex is G722
10:30:44 <Halcyon> *codec
10:31:29 <Halcyon> Perhaps G722.1
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10:56:23 <steve30> Halcyon, if you have a Softphone you can try dialling my SIP URI if you like
10:57:12 <Halcyon> I haven't got one set up at the moment, that's the next step
10:57:19 <steve30> ah
10:58:24 <steve30> I tried linphone and ekiga. Couldn't get linphone to work. Ekiga was good though
11:03:49 <steve30> I'll see if I can ring support in the morning to get them to enable International calls for me. Hopefully I won't need to use their XKCD806-compliance :).
11:04:08 <Halcyon> I like the nerdy guy from my ISP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI0i5qwJVMQ
11:06:00 <steve30> he's cute
11:11:46 <steve30> There was a handsome guy in Sheffield the other day :p
11:15:48 <Halcyon> :)
11:23:08 <steve30> There was also Linus Tech Tips' lookalike at the gym
11:35:25 <Halcyon> I can't stand Linus
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11:44:42 <coppice> Halcyon a-law/u-law are about as good as narrow band speech gets.
11:45:12 <Halcyon> Yup
11:45:26 <Halcyon> Still, few KB/sec is nothing in the grand scheme of things
11:47:00 <coppice> Its a pity ISDN didn't grow faster, and allow wideband voice to become dominant as cellular grew
11:47:31 <steve30> I used MS Netmeeting on dialup once, back in 2004.
11:47:59 <coppice> Netmeeting was a nasty piece of software
11:48:02 <Halcyon> Heh
11:48:06 <Halcyon> I was a CuSeeMe person
11:48:24 <Halcyon> We used to stream Christmas at home over to family in Finland over a 56k modem
11:48:31 <Halcyon> (as in video and audio)
11:48:40 <steve30> I never used it for video
11:49:13 <Halcyon> You got about 5-10 frames a second on dial-up
11:49:45 <Halcyon> Tiny image though, not can't remember if it was even 320 lines
11:50:17 <Halcyon> But back then 640x480 or 800x600 was the normal resolution for most PCs
11:51:55 * steve30 has still never bought a webcam
11:52:19 <Halcyon> I never have either. We used an analog TV capture card and a video camera
11:52:38 <Halcyon> I think I still have that card actually
11:53:01 <coppice> nobody ever made a good webcam. You need to used a camera + capture card to get decent quality
11:53:20 <Halcyon> Coppice, you're absolutely correct, they still don't.
11:53:30 <Halcyon> Unless you want to go a commercial product
11:54:46 <Halcyon> Anyway, I need to go to the shops, back soon
11:56:16 <coppice> I still haven't seen a digital camera that has a decent ability to be a streaming camera for use as a webcam. to get good results you end up taking HDMI from the camera through a capture card
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12:33:17 <steve30> This is a good video
12:33:18 <steve30> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDOD_sBffRI
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13:40:16 * Halcyon pokes steve30
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14:15:44 <Halcyon> Mew
14:21:56 <Halcyon> I noticed that KFC has been rebranding itself as the old "Kentucky Fried Chicken" again
14:29:21 <steve30> wb
14:29:26 <Halcyon> Ta
14:29:36 <Halcyon> Been cleaning up the patching in my rack
14:30:01 <steve30> Halcyon, I added some extensions in Asterisk that play music. Dialling 496002 will play Floaters and 496003 will play Opus No. 1.
14:30:10 <Halcyon> Hah nice
14:30:20 <Halcyon> I've been playing with Music on Hold
14:31:50 <steve30> I haven't managed to change that yet
14:32:06 <Halcyon> The defaults are a bit crap
14:35:58 <steve30> tbh I don't really have any need to put anyone on hold
14:39:56 <Halcyon> Yeh fair enough
14:40:11 <Halcyon> I got this SIP service for my business, otherwise I have no other need for a landland.
15:01:35 * steve30 ponders going out for a walk
15:01:48 <Halcyon> Do it :)
15:02:02 <steve30> maybe not, it looks a bit wet
15:04:30 <Halcyon> I never noticed how much Eli Silverman is like Russell Brand
15:18:41 <steve30> I think I might go to bed soon
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15:36:54 <steve30> I just ordered a copy of The IT Crowd box set. Never seen it before
15:40:12 * steve30 curls up on Halcyon's lap
15:42:23 <orbii> IT Crowd is great watching, and then all the bloopers after :)
15:42:25 <orbii> great comedy.
15:43:21 <Halcyon> It's brilliant
15:43:28 <Halcyon> Probably one of my favourite series
15:44:15 <steve30> It never really occurred to me to watch it, but this week I've been calling 0118 999 881999119725 3 quite a bit to test telephone functionality :)
15:44:33 <Halcyon> Hahaha, if you dial 999 on my phones, you get that scene played down the phone :P
15:44:51 <steve30> lol
15:45:00 <steve30> My voip provider plays it when you dial the above
15:45:13 <steve30> Plus its also on *118 for simpler access
15:45:14 <Halcyon> They have a sense of humour :)
15:46:51 <Halcyon> What's more surprising is you're from the UK, you're a nerd and you haven't seen it!
15:47:43 <steve30> yeah, it just never occurred to me to watch it when it was on
15:47:54 <Halcyon> Do you use Plex?
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15:49:00 <steve30> no
15:49:17 <Halcyon> Nevermind then, I would have added you to my server otherwise
15:49:30 * steve30 doesn't know what plex is
15:49:59 <Halcyon> It's a streaming media thingy. I host a Plex server so I can share media with my friends. It's kind of like a private Netflix
15:50:13 <Halcyon> I can also watch all my stuff remotely on my phone if I want
15:54:59 <steve30> ah, cool
15:55:32 * steve30 pets his DVD & VHS collection
15:58:09 <Halcyon> :P
15:58:31 <orbii> gosh.
15:58:33 <orbii> VHS
15:58:39 <orbii> next there'll be betamax
15:58:48 <orbii> are tehre 8-track too?
15:58:48 <Halcyon> Steve is an old soul :P
16:00:09 <orbii> is he coppice level old?
16:00:16 <Halcyon> *shrug*
16:01:40 <orbii> geez
16:06:21 <steve30> I don't have any Beta or 8-track
16:06:32 <steve30> Plenty of compact cassettes though
16:24:36 <Halcyon> Hm I just got a bushfire alert on my phone
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16:39:08 <orbii> that sounds bad
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18:11:44 <rust_collector> hmm, 4 in the morning. it is nice to be so late for work
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19:51:10 <Halcyon> moo
20:14:50 <gremlinz> cow
20:14:56 <Halcyon> Yup
21:50:34 <K> hello
21:50:45 <Halcyon> Evening
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