// #eevblog — 2019-11-09
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02:50:16 <steve30> Halcyon, I got international calling enabled, so should be able to call you from my voip system now
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09:44:04 <Halcyon> steve30, awesome, I'm heading to Ikea but I'll be back later this afternoon
09:45:17 <steve30> hey
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10:49:37 <coppice> Halcyon: not everyone makes it back from Ikea
10:53:55 <gremlinz> Ikea is a labryinth
10:57:43 <coppice> Its worrying when half way through the labyrinth you find a graveyard
10:58:55 <gremlinz> we may have to issue a BOLO
11:15:04 <DHess_US> That is why I always go armed in Ikea.
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11:21:06 <DHess_US> Left for the grocer and hardware store and forgot my pistol so drove back to get it. I felt so naked. Monkey needs a hug.
12:01:31 <gremlinz> merica!
12:04:26 <DHess_US> The best way for me to avoid a madman with a gun is to carry my own. What are the chances that two madmen with guns would be at the same grocery store?
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12:10:28 <gremlinz> pretty high
12:34:02 <Ampera> That's why you need to carry two guns.
12:34:39 <DHess_US> I have more than one Glock 20 so I could do that.
12:35:03 <Ampera> but if it's an Ikea, how do you know you won't be taken at range?
12:35:08 <Ampera> you should also bring a rifle, just to be sure
12:35:24 <DHess_US> I'm like John Cusack in Gross Point Blank but with bigger guns.
12:35:56 <DHess_US> True, pistols are for use until you can get to your long arm.
12:40:00 <DHess_US> Best to carry one of these just to be safe, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHuBS_EFdZE
12:50:07 <Ampera> Holy fucking shit is FreePBX absolutely useless
12:50:53 <Ampera> Because I have a mobile chipset it's trying to output to a laptop screen that doesn't exist, which wouldn't be an issue, but it's demanding that I use its stupid fucking X-based installer
12:51:23 <Ampera> It has options for VNC, but I can't figure out how to get the connection information for that, and I don't have a serial console.
12:51:33 <Ampera> nor an NMS cable.
12:55:21 <DHess_US> Who the fuck uses Dropbox for something like this? Put it in a torrent!
12:55:22 <DHess_US> https://twitter.com/GeorgeMNasif/status/1192938383284195328
12:55:29 <DHess_US> https://twitter.com/FreakDog1970/status/1192939380916113408
12:55:43 <DHess_US> Or FTP
12:57:03 <Ampera> Oh that's a nice installer, it just starts partitioning shit before it asks you how you want stuff to be partitioned
12:57:05 <Ampera> or what disk to use
12:57:19 <Ampera> or literally any idea what it's trying to do or how
12:58:37 <Ampera> What's also real nice is the big banner ads in the installer
13:02:07 <Ampera> sweet, it's stuck in a suspend to RAM loop so I'm having to hit the power button every 20 seconds
13:03:10 <Ampera> this solution better be quick and good for all the shit it's putting me through
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13:38:16 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Beijing's new airport is super impressive https://t.co/DHgoA6vmYa
14:04:17 * Ampera pokes Halcyon
14:59:19 <DHess_US> http://www.legendaryarms.com/world-war-ii-bayonets/
15:01:55 <Ampera> DHess_US, I wouldn't want to be fighting against the guy using those as bayonets
15:05:23 <DHess_US> I wouldn't want to be fighting as the guy using those bayonets. The 12 gauge version of this might be practical though, https://www.billsbangsticks.com/
15:10:01 <coppice> Beijing should have a super impressive airport if they spent $17B on it
15:10:57 <DHess_US> It will never be as impressive as Denver.
15:11:24 <DHess_US> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Mustang
15:12:14 <coppice> Denver Airport must have a bleak future
15:13:05 <coppice> any of the Airports where hub activity is a big part of the total must have a bleak future
15:14:41 <Ampera> We all have bleak futures
15:14:44 <Ampera> we feel pain and then we die
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16:15:57 <orbii> that's why we try to find the positive every time we can
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16:31:29 <Ampera> Man does FreePBX feel like a piece of shit, but I finally got it installed and "working"
16:41:25 <Halcyon> What's wrong Ampera?
16:41:43 <Ampera> FreePBX is absolute curdled shit
16:41:52 <Halcyon> I found FreePBX easy, but knowing where all the options are, there is *a lot* you can do with it
16:42:08 <Ampera> I couldn't even get the installer to work without modifying the kernel command line options
16:42:52 <Ampera> I have to disable a video input (which is something that's a problem on Linux in general), and disable ACPI because it kept suspending to RAM because whatever
16:43:15 <Ampera> The installer barely worked and required multiple (4-5) tries with different drive arrangements and bootloader configurations in order to work
16:43:29 <Ampera> at which point it broke with a random MySQL error which went away after a reboot
16:43:33 <steve30> Halcyon, how was Ikea?
16:43:58 <Ampera> then a bunch of files had the wrong permissions that I had to fix by hand, and now the module for DAHDI (for my PBX card) is not letting me configure it due to some other random error.
16:44:34 <Ampera> Oh and it's a heavily commercialized annoying shithole with popup ads and tried to force me into setting up a firewall I didn't want nor need
16:48:28 <Halcyon> Steve: As you would imagine Ikea to be :P
16:48:29 <Ampera> It seems like the permissions for a bunch of stuff is just not configured correctly out of the box
16:48:57 <Halcyon> Weird, I didn't have any kind of problem at all, literally boot off the ISO and off I go
16:49:12 <Halcyon> Mind you that was in a VM with generic hardware, perhaps some hardware it is picky about? *shrug*
16:49:22 <Ampera> My first problem is that once X started for the installer, it used an output that doesn't exist.
16:49:41 <Halcyon> Ampera, the built-in firewall is a good idea, particularly if you're facing that PBX to the outside world
16:49:45 <Ampera> This is because I have a mobile GPU to which the Linux driver is configured to expect an always connected LVDS display
16:50:02 <Halcyon> Don't just rely on your perimeter firewall. SIP servers are commonly attacked
16:50:04 <Ampera> Halcyon, I will tell my actual firewall what ports its allowed to use.
16:50:17 <Halcyon> Suit yourself
16:50:19 <Ampera> I'm not putting it in a DMZ, and I'm not using an internal firewall
16:50:29 <Halcyon> I am definitely using the built-in firewall as well.
16:50:30 * steve30 curls up on Halcyon's lap
16:51:29 <Halcyon> That being said, mine is being used for business, I can't afford downtime
16:51:48 <Halcyon> I ended up buying a Symfonisk lamp Steve
16:51:52 <Ampera> This machine is being used as an internal analog telephone exchange with SIP functionality being a nice extra
16:52:04 <Ampera> its core purpose is to switch lines
16:53:10 * steve30 googles
16:57:31 <steve30> I was pondering going to the shops in an hour or so, but its cold out.
17:00:58 <Ampera> my stupid ass was just wondering why I typed in restart and it did nothing
17:08:07 <Ampera> I'm honestly baffled as to how much this doesn't fucking work
17:08:33 <Ampera> Presuming it *does* work in general, there's absolutely no reason anything I am doing should make it not.
17:11:27 <Ampera> alright, so I'm gonna completely change this all up, I'm going to try FreeBSD, because maybe Linux just isn't up to doing this shit
17:11:52 <Ampera> oh, that reminds me, I need to upgrade my server to FreeBSD 12.1
17:11:55 <Ampera> I should do that now.
17:14:08 <Halcyon> Yeh I honestly don't know why you are having so many dramas
17:14:13 <Halcyon> Even restart works for me
17:14:30 <Ampera> there's a very good reason why restart doesn't work and I already told you why
17:14:49 <Halcyon> Well if it's not the software then it must be something you did?
17:14:54 <Ampera> acpi
17:15:01 <Halcyon> You're like a guy at work, everything he touches is farked :P
17:15:08 <Halcyon> I didn't see your message about ACPI
17:15:14 <Ampera> I disabled it
17:15:22 <Halcyon> Well yes, that will do it
17:15:25 <Ampera> because the machine kept suspending infinitely
17:15:29 <Ampera> in the installer
17:15:50 <Ampera> I was using Arch Linux before, but there was a lot of issue there too
17:15:51 <Halcyon> Weird
17:15:58 <Ampera> so maybe FreeBSD will be kinder
17:16:04 <Halcyon> Are you using some exotic hardware?
17:16:28 <Ampera> not really
17:16:43 <Ampera> it's mobile/embedded hardware, but not strange outside of it just being a mobile CPU/chipset/GPU
17:16:54 <Ampera> it's all Intel
17:17:08 <Halcyon> Mmm strange
17:17:17 <Halcyon> No firmware/BIOS updates for it?
17:17:43 <Ampera> no clue, the motherboard is proprietary and the company is strange
17:17:48 <Halcyon> Ahh
17:17:58 <Halcyon> Yup yup
17:17:58 <Ampera> but not in a way that would fuck shit up really
17:18:14 <Halcyon> My firewall is like that, some weird embedded version of Phoenix BIOS
17:18:24 <Halcyon> But, pfsense works fine on it so I'm leaving it alone
17:18:26 <Ampera> this is an AMI EFI
17:18:57 <Halcyon> Anyway, back to sorting out my office, back soon
17:19:06 <Ampera> k
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17:58:52 <steve30> Ah ha. I managed to telephone Australia.
17:59:33 * orbii cracks neck
18:11:44 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
18:11:44 <Ampera> My PBX card came in
18:11:44 <Halcyon> My SIP phone came in :D
18:11:44 <Ampera> I'm trying to get the damn thing to work now
18:11:44 <Halcyon> I'm playing with it now
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18:11:44 <orbii> hi halcy
18:11:44 <Halcyon> Hey mate
18:11:44 <orbii> :) how goes it
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18:11:44 <Halcyon> Not too bad
18:11:44 <Halcyon> Just fiddling with FreePBX, trying to get one-touch provisioning working
18:11:44 <Halcyon> How about you?
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18:56:33 <Halcyon> Hey steve30, I got your voicemail message :)
18:56:40 <steve30> cool
18:56:43 <Halcyon> I had my phone disconnected while I was rearranging my office
18:57:14 <Halcyon> Curiously, what prompts did you get, as I only left the default settings so far on voicemail
18:57:32 <Ampera1> lesson learned
18:57:42 <Ampera1> don't upgrade freebsd on a whim
18:57:49 <steve30> some australian guy saying that the person at extension xxxx is unavailable, and please leave a message
18:58:13 <Halcyon> Oh OK
18:58:17 <Halcyon> Coolies
18:58:34 <Halcyon> Heh what did you do Ampera?
18:59:02 <Ampera1> I just told you
19:01:17 <Halcyon> Upgraded FreeBSD?
19:02:12 <Ampera1> that's what I said
19:02:15 <Ampera1> 12.0 to 12.1
19:02:28 <Halcyon> <Ampera1> lesson learned
19:02:29 <Halcyon> <Ampera1> don't upgrade freebsd on a whim
19:02:30 <steve30> Halcyon, http://stevecoates.net/stuff/halcyonmail.ogg
19:02:31 <Halcyon> This is all I got
19:02:41 <Ampera1> yes, I upgraded FreeBSD
19:03:00 <Halcyon> Ahh nice :)
19:03:07 <Halcyon> I love the recording feature of Asterisk
19:03:09 <Ampera1> it got rid of every single user and group, my sshd_config, and made zfs spaz out
19:03:16 <Halcyon> Your audio actually came through very nicely Steve
19:03:32 <Ampera1> sorry I'm late for your PBX party :P
19:03:39 <steve30> yeah, sounds OK to say I was talking quietly
19:03:46 <Ampera1> I'm currently trying to make sure that my services stay up, because there are people who (sort of) rely on them
19:04:39 <Halcyon> All good Ampera, I am still setting things up (slowly) the way I want them
19:04:43 <Halcyon> At the moment, only my office phone rings
19:04:52 <Halcyon> Haven't set up any hunt groups etc...
19:05:33 <Ampera1> I've decided to stop using Linux for my PBX entirely and try FreeBSD
19:05:41 <Ampera1> hopefully that ends up being easier to set up
19:07:12 <Halcyon> Can you not just use a hypervisor Ampera?
19:07:21 <Halcyon> Rather than trying to get it working on your weird hardware
19:07:40 <Halcyon> The FreePBX setup is honestly very easy, 10 minutes and you're installed
19:07:51 <Ampera1> the hardware I have does not have enough power for a hypervisor
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19:12:45 <orbii> yeah
19:13:36 <Ampera> I just finished getting my server into its previous state (thankfully I am smart and A. keep backups of most important files (none of which were the ones hit unfortunately), and B. know exactly how everything is supposed to go together and be
19:13:59 <orbii> you didnt snapshot to rollback?
19:14:10 <Ampera> what snapshot
19:14:10 <orbii> so you could do it right next time?
19:14:18 <Ampera> do what right
19:14:24 <orbii> ...
19:14:25 <Ampera> I did it right, it just happens to fuck with those files
19:14:26 <orbii> okay then
19:14:29 <orbii> no, it doesnt
19:14:32 <Ampera> and I don't have any snapshots, I don't have the space
19:14:35 <orbii> ahuh
19:14:37 <Ampera> so then what did I fuck up
19:14:38 * orbii shrugs
19:14:54 <orbii> you honestly think the system is supposed to overwrite your /etc files on an upgrade?
19:15:04 <orbii> righteo then
19:15:07 <Ampera> I didn't do anything wrong
19:15:10 <orbii> okay
19:15:12 <Ampera> so I can't think of any other option
19:15:22 <Ampera> and it didn't rewrite all my /etc files
19:15:37 <Ampera> what it did is download newer versions of standard files that come with the system and replaced them
19:15:59 <Halcyon> I blame your weird hardware Ampera
19:16:00 <Ampera> which happen to be files I've modified, like ones containing information for passwords, users/groups, and some service files
19:16:17 <Ampera> Halcyon, this is perfectly normal server/workstation hardware
19:16:26 <orbii> that you're treating this like it's normal, or that you didnt do anything wrong for it to happen is what baffles me
19:16:35 <Ampera> welcome to FreeBSD
19:16:39 <orbii> yeah, no
19:16:39 <Halcyon> Sure, but some hardware just doesn't play nice, no matter how mainstream it is
19:16:44 <orbii> i've been using freebsd since '95, it doesnt do that.
19:16:56 <Ampera> so then why the hell did it do that
19:16:58 <Ampera> if you know so much
19:17:09 <orbii> your etc mergemaster basically fucked up
19:17:11 <Halcyon> It's like Windows, people often complained about it being unstable, that's bullshit (if you use the right hardware)
19:17:15 <orbii> possibly means you're editting the files in a bad way
19:17:30 <Ampera> what would be a bad way
19:17:32 <orbii> probably getting rid of the lines at the tops of the file or something silly
19:17:38 <Ampera> no?
19:17:46 <orbii> then it would have recognise the change, and not broken it
19:17:48 <Ampera> the only file affected that was ever manually edited was my sshd_config
19:17:51 <Halcyon> Sorry, I should clarify, pre-Windows 8... Windows 8/10 is just unstable on any hardware
19:17:52 <steve30> hmm, my Asterisk isn't letting me call between phones
19:18:09 <Ampera> the command I ran was freebsd-update -r 12.1-RELEASE upgrade
19:18:16 <Ampera> and then I believe freebsd-update install
19:18:29 <Ampera> that's it
19:18:41 <orbii> so .. post reboot?
19:18:51 <Ampera> not sure what you mean
19:18:56 <orbii> pretty sure it'll tell you to reboot and run stuff again
19:18:58 <Ampera> yes
19:19:00 <Ampera> that's what I did
19:19:06 <orbii> so you didnt do what you just said?
19:19:14 <Ampera> I did what I just said
19:19:17 <Ampera> I just omitted the part about the reboot
19:19:26 <orbii> *shrug*
19:19:30 <orbii> you did something wrong
19:19:41 <Ampera> actually I know exactly what I did wrong
19:19:54 <Ampera> right then, that's the lesson learned
19:19:59 <Ampera> my bad
19:20:04 <orbii> okay?
19:20:09 * orbii goes back to watching telly
19:20:10 <Halcyon> Don't ignore reboot messages?
19:20:22 <Ampera> it's rather embarrassing, but I effectively skipped the step where it counts what files to merge
19:20:26 <Ampera> Halcyon, I didn't
19:20:34 <Ampera> and never said that I did
19:20:34 <Halcyon> No, I'm asking, so I know
19:20:56 <Ampera> There's an inspecting system step that was taking a while and my stupid self did ctrl+c which skipped it
19:21:09 <Ampera> that's presumably what was accounting the files to be merged
19:21:14 <Halcyon> Ahh *nod*
19:21:15 <Ampera> or whatever
19:21:20 <Ampera> anyways, I fixed it all now
19:21:23 <Ampera> back to my PBX
19:21:25 <Halcyon> Impatient :P
19:21:39 <Ampera> that's why I'm quitting college :P
19:21:49 <Halcyon> ADHD?
19:21:50 <Halcyon> :P
19:22:25 <Ampera> I can't have ADHD, it wouldn't ADD up.
19:22:36 <Halcyon> Nice one :)
19:22:50 <Halcyon> That's like a T3sl4-level joke
19:23:25 * T3sl4 sets Ampera's half-carry flag
19:23:26 <Ampera> as for the hardware in my PBX< I have an i7-E610 with 4GB of DDR3
19:23:29 <Ampera> which may or may not be ECC
19:24:01 * Ampera splits T3sl4 in half with a large woodsman's axe, and carries half of him
19:24:41 <Halcyon> Silly Cockatoos are tapping on my back window
19:24:43 * T3sl4 hums "I'm a lumberjack and I'm half-okay..."
19:24:52 <Halcyon> They want noms
19:24:54 <orbii> you're only half-gay?
19:25:13 <Ampera> I am half gay
19:25:15 <Ampera> literally
19:25:24 <Halcyon> Fence-sitter
19:25:38 <Ampera> partisan
19:25:51 <orbii> people are weird.
19:25:58 <Halcyon> orbii: Yes, yes they are
19:26:19 <Halcyon> At least we are at least partly normal here, you know, compared to the rest of society
19:26:41 * orbii doesnt get called 'normal'
19:26:42 <Halcyon> I think what people lack in normality, they make up for in intelligence.
19:30:25 <orbii> i made an alcoholic milkshake, and no boys turned up in my yard.
19:30:29 <orbii> i dont know if that means i did it good or bad
19:30:38 <orbii> it tasted okay to me
19:31:03 <Halcyon> ?
19:35:41 <Ampera> eyy, I just edited my first file in emacs
19:35:47 <orbii> you poor thing
19:35:57 <Ampera> TUI emacs
19:36:04 <Ampera> Xorg emacs I've been using for a while
19:36:18 <Ampera> and orbii, if you go on I swear to nano, I'll get mad
19:36:25 <Halcyon> :P
19:36:36 <orbii> nano would be superior to emacs in my mind :/
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19:36:55 <Ampera> both are better in every single way, shape, and form to vi/vim
19:37:03 * orbii chuckles
19:37:09 <Halcyon> That I agree with
19:37:17 <Ampera> your opinion doesn't count, Halcyon, you're gay
19:37:18 <Halcyon> vi can fuck right off
19:37:32 <orbii> bloody poofters.
19:37:37 <Ampera> lol
19:37:38 <Halcyon> *shrug*
19:37:51 <Ampera> you're used to picking the worst out of a selection of two
19:38:11 <orbii> vageen and bobs, amirite?
19:38:21 <Ampera> fucking lesbians
19:38:42 <Ampera> bi is the purest form of retard, I'm above you normies
19:38:57 <Halcyon> No, you're just undecided/selfish
19:39:03 <orbii> you wish there were wimmins in your interwebs
19:39:10 <Halcyon> At least have sex before you pick
19:39:15 <orbii> Halcyon: more like, greedy
19:39:15 <Ampera> there is, orbii, simply look in the mirror
19:39:33 <Ampera> Halcyon, sex before marriage is a sin
19:39:34 <orbii> nah, they crack
19:39:42 <Ampera> yours too?
19:39:44 <steve30> I'm off to bed.
19:39:49 <Halcyon> orbii, yes, greedy is what I meant
19:39:58 <Halcyon> Damn Shiraz is fucking with my mind
19:40:06 <Halcyon> Night Steve
19:40:34 <Halcyon> Also, orbii, if you think we're weird, Steve is into the latex and kink
19:40:39 <Halcyon> :P
19:40:44 <orbii> well, i didnt mean sexually.
19:40:47 <orbii> i'm pretty boring
19:41:54 <Ampera> I am the most sexually deviant in this chat
19:42:05 <orbii> okay.
19:42:09 <Ampera> Halcyon is under oath to not reveal in what way, but he can attest to how that is true
19:42:18 <Ampera> so I may take my rightful place as the most fucked up person in the channel
19:42:30 <orbii> sexually, or otherwise or both?
19:43:03 <Ampera> both
19:43:07 <orbii> okay.
19:43:09 <Halcyon> This is true
19:50:46 <Halcyon> We like him anyway ;-)
19:50:51 <Halcyon> Ampera is good value
19:51:04 <Ampera> Halcyon, so this is something weird about my hardware
19:51:06 <Ampera> or at least FreeBSD
19:51:28 <Ampera> When FreeBSD installs, it doesn't make any EFI variables that the graphical EFI setup shows
19:51:36 <Ampera> but when I load the EFI shell, it will automatically load FreeBSD
19:51:44 <Ampera> GRUB does not do this, btw
19:55:16 * Ampera portsnaps Halcyon in half
19:55:21 <Halcyon> On the phone, brb
20:00:57 <Ampera> my morning alarm just went off
20:13:27 <Halcyon> Morning :)
20:19:24 <Halcyon> Jerry is nibbling at my neck
20:21:32 <Ampera> going to bed
20:21:33 <Ampera> night
20:32:38 <Halcyon> steve30: I got my SIP phone working :D
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20:48:28 <steve30> Halcyon, cool
20:48:58 <steve30> I got my Cisco connected to my SIP server, but i can't connect it to the VOIP service.
20:49:06 <Halcyon> Oh no :(
20:49:24 <steve30> I can kindof connect the asterisk server to the voip service
20:49:30 <Halcyon> I wonder how easily we can link servers together for free calls?
20:50:21 <steve30> I've got another voip phone on the way today, hopefully that will connect straight over the internet to the voip service
20:50:48 <Halcyon> What's the issue connecting your VoIP service to Asterisk?
20:51:32 <steve30> I only got one way audio, or no audio, and it kept dropping calls after 30 seconds
20:51:51 <Halcyon> Ahh, sounds like a UDP timeout issue... what kind of router are you using?
20:52:07 <steve30> There are issues with NAT
20:52:16 <Halcyon> Yeh I don't use NAT at all, I just forward the ports
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20:53:25 <steve30> You can try and do a direct sip connection to sip:[email protected] if you want, but i'm just going to make coffee
20:53:33 <Halcyon> But a lot of routers will drop seemingly idle UDP connections after a short time. I had to adjust the timeouts on my router
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20:55:00 <Halcyon> I'm not sure how I would do that from here, I would need to add your server as a trunk (I guess?)
20:57:21 <steve30> if you have a softphone you can just call that url directly
20:57:29 <Halcyon> I'm using a physical phone
20:57:32 <steve30> don't know if it will work from a hardwarephone
20:57:46 <Halcyon> I might be able to create a virtual extension which routes to you ?
21:05:54 <steve30> ok, the above url might not work
21:07:08 <steve30> but you can call my voip service on sip:[email protected] and that /might/ go through to my softphone
21:09:26 <DHess_US> Ampera, https://xkcd.com/349/
21:13:02 <T3sl4> hahahaha the title text https://xkcd.com/2226/
21:14:02 <steve30> mmm, coffee
21:14:51 <T3sl4> a steve30!
21:14:57 * T3sl4 hugs Halcyon
21:15:23 <Halcyon> Hey T3sl4 :)
21:17:36 <steve30> OK, the inbound trunk works at the moment, but still only one way audio
21:19:33 * steve30 curls up next to T3sl4 and falls asleep
21:19:54 * T3sl4 scritches steve30
21:19:59 <DHess_US> Hmm, the hydrogen line.
21:20:13 <DHess_US> That always reminds me of Ringworld.
21:20:16 <T3sl4> hmm, is that how you connect a phone call to an elephant?
21:20:21 <T3sl4> you trunk it?
21:20:33 <Halcyon> Back shortly
21:21:33 <T3sl4> DHess_US: Hmm, the hydrogen line. <-- but what was the joke?
21:22:18 <steve30> OK, outbound trunking works but again, one way audio
21:23:26 <DHess_US> The subject of communications had become general. Until they could reach the Ringworld engineers,
21:23:27 <DHess_US> their presence in this inhabited system smacked of banditry. Thus far there had been no sign that their
21:23:27 <DHess_US> presence had been detected.
21:23:27 <DHess_US> "My receivers are open," said Speaker. "If they attempt to communicate in electromagnetic frequencies,
21:23:27 <DHess_US> we will know it."
21:23:28 <DHess_US> "Not if they try the obvious," Louis retorted.
21:23:29 <DHess_US> "True. Many species have used the cold hydrogen line to search for other minds circling other stars."
21:23:31 <DHess_US> "Like the kdatlyno. They cleverly found you."
21:23:33 <DHess_US> "And we cleverly enslaved them."
21:24:29 * orbii yawns tiredly
21:24:51 <T3sl4> nice
21:24:53 <DHess_US> I've always thought the Kzinti were Niven's answer to the Klingons in Star Trek being such wimps.
21:25:13 <DHess_US> Which was Roddenberry's influence.
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21:25:22 * T3sl4 sticks a coffee in orbii's gaping gob
21:25:49 <T3sl4> can't have a warrior race going all war and brutality on everyone, now
21:26:16 <DHess_US> That is what makes the Kzinti so much more interesting than the Klingons.
21:26:25 <orbii> nothx
21:27:06 <DHess_US> They don't do war, not as men understood it, and they aren't brutal, from their point of view.
21:27:08 <T3sl4> i had the mental image of an enormous novelty coffee bean, like a stress ball but coffee-bean-styled
21:29:11 <orbii> i'll need to sleep soonish
21:29:21 <orbii> i try and avoid caffeine in the afternoon and evening
21:29:26 <T3sl4> oh, so they were venture capitalists
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21:30:34 <T3sl4> reasonable
21:31:02 <DHess_US> More like experts in animal husbandry.
21:31:34 <DHess_US> With animals including any sapient race which was not Kzinti.
21:32:00 <Halcyon> So I've decided to go minimalist for my office desk
21:32:15 <Halcyon> I have a 2 metre wide desk, all it has on it now is a lamp, a laptop and a phone
21:32:25 <DHess_US> Milk crates and pine boards?
21:32:49 <T3sl4> ah, that must be what SMBC's zorblaxians are based on
21:32:52 <Halcyon> A wooden kitchen bench top from Bunnings and 2 Ikea drawers
21:33:25 <T3sl4> pretty close then
21:35:26 <DHess_US> Watching For All Mankind. It reminds me of Victor Koman's Kings of the High Frontier.
21:35:38 <orbii> and it's nearly 10p
21:36:08 <DHess_US> Couldn't make Kings of the High Frontier into a series now because SpaceX exists.
21:36:24 <Halcyon> https://imgur.com/a/i8EKmvD
21:36:27 <Halcyon> This is right now
21:37:09 <DHess_US> Is that a real keyboard on that laptop and not a chicklet one?
21:37:14 <Halcyon> Yup
21:37:19 <DHess_US> You heathen.
21:37:21 <Halcyon> :P
21:37:42 <Halcyon> I can't stand those horrible, thin, keys
21:38:09 <steve30> Your parcel is expected to be with you between 11:14 - 12:14.
21:38:14 <DHess_US> Picked up a Bluetooth chicklet keyboard to use with my phone because that was the only choice. Having used one now to try and do real work rather than for just testing, I have confirmed that they are trash, all of them.
21:38:43 <DHess_US> Apple can die in a fire.
21:39:09 <Halcyon> DHess_US: Agree. We got a whole bunch of new HP Workstations, they came with similar keyboards. I swapped it for an old HP keyboard
21:39:09 <DHess_US> I do not think anybody who uses one on a desktop needs a desktop because they aren't actually doing work.
21:39:21 <Halcyon> The apple ones are even worse, they just feel flimsy.
21:40:28 <DHess_US> It isn't even being flimsy. Without the key depth, the top surface cannot be cupped which prevents centering the fingers.
21:40:35 <DHess_US> It isn't enough to have the home keys marked.
21:41:46 <DHess_US> In retrospect, the best keyboards I have used were later IBMs and the Apple 3 which had the narrowest and most cupped keys.
21:42:09 <Halcyon> I loved a specific Dell keyboard
21:42:20 <Halcyon> They had the large ALT and CTRL keys
21:43:48 <Halcyon> https://c1.neweggimages.com/ProductImage/A4KZ_131001682791393740WqyJyGpmFR.jpg
21:43:50 <Halcyon> These ones
21:44:35 <DHess_US> Oh, I have one of those. Eh.
21:44:38 <T3sl4> gah, always hated those, too tall, key pressure isn't right
21:45:34 <DHess_US> Without a wider bezel I have problems hitting keys on the side when I move the keyboard.
21:45:47 <DHess_US> I tend to move my keyboard to my lap.
21:46:27 <DHess_US> So not my main keyboard. It is on the system I RDP into.
21:50:34 <DHess_US> Halcyon, laptops with non-chicklet keyboards are becoming difficult to find. :(
21:50:50 <DHess_US> Hell, desktops with non-chicklet keyboards are difficult to find now also.
21:54:39 <orbii> is that good?
21:57:18 <Halcyon> To be fair, this is an old Thinkpad
21:57:23 <Halcyon> But the screen res is awesome
21:58:25 <steve30> yup
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22:02:54 <DHess_US> Yea, I've heard good things about the old Thinkpads.
22:03:02 <orbii> awesome
22:03:12 <orbii> i have 5 packages in transit right now .. i hope they come soon
22:05:10 <Halcyon> Any of you guys good with Photoshop?
22:05:34 <K> hello
22:05:51 <Halcyon> Evening K
22:05:59 <steve30> not really
22:06:07 <K> it's high noon here
22:06:07 <Halcyon> It does the job
22:06:20 <K> you insensitive clod!
22:06:27 <Halcyon> :P
22:06:36 <orbii> Halcyon: i'm bad at it, does that count?
22:06:45 <Ampera> Hi Halcyon
22:06:47 <Halcyon> The battery is long gone
22:06:48 <Ampera> how are you m9
22:07:12 <DHess_US> But replaceable
22:07:15 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera :)
22:07:35 <Ampera> Did you ever end up fixing your desktop?
22:08:05 <Halcyon> Nope, been busy with other things
22:08:13 <Ampera> mmmm
22:08:15 * orbii pokes the desktop with a stick
22:08:19 <Halcyon> Indeed, pops right out the back
22:08:28 <Ampera> It's 36 (2) degrees outside
22:08:36 <Halcyon> Yuck
22:08:42 <Ampera> Perfect day to drive my car
22:08:50 <orbii> good for turbos
22:08:56 <Ampera> if only I had a license, registration, inspection, and insurance.
22:09:16 <steve30> i need more coffee
22:09:33 * Ampera plinks a caffeine pill steve30wardsly
22:12:17 <Ampera> Halcyon, so I sort of got my PBX card working, but I haven't gotten a dial tone
22:12:55 <Ampera> but I am slightly concerned, as all the other PBX cards I've seen, even the one that this card is supposed to be, have additional molex board power, but this one doesn't even have the space on the board for it
22:13:24 <Ampera> so I'm thinking that this board should be able to power itself, but then that begs the question, why do the other boards need it
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22:13:59 <K> wireless power!
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22:14:24 <Ampera> well I don't have a dial tone, and I don't know why
22:14:31 <Halcyon> ?
22:14:35 <Ampera> you missed a bunch of message
22:14:42 <Ampera> <Ampera> Halcyon, so I sort of got my PBX card working, but I haven't gotten a dial tone
22:14:42 <Ampera> <Ampera> but I am slightly concerned, as all the other PBX cards I've seen, even the one that this card is supposed to be, have additional molex board power, but this one doesn't even have the space on the board for it
22:14:42 <Ampera> <Ampera> so I'm thinking that this board should be able to power itself, but then that begs the question, why do the other boards need it
22:15:24 <Halcyon> Hmm
22:15:26 <Halcyon> Yeh not sure
22:15:44 <Ampera> I've only put one sleepless night at it, a few more should get it to work
22:15:55 <Halcyon> Heheh that's usually how I work
22:16:19 <Ampera> but it's already been an ordeal, because I've had to put the Linux LTS 4.4 kernel on there because that's the only one that will work with the driver system for the card
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22:17:09 <Ampera> Halcyon, I haven't mentioned this in here, but if my plans go accordingly, I'll be quitting college.
22:17:32 <Halcyon> Oh?
22:17:54 <Ampera> I'm planning to switch over to trade school and become an electrician.
22:18:03 <Halcyon> Why electrician?
22:18:23 <Ampera> Because it's not too far off from my original career choice of EE, which I really don't want to do anymore for a variety of reasons
22:18:52 <Ampera> which basically some up to, EE has gotten more computerized and modularized than I'd like it, so I feel there's little point in me doing it professionally.
22:19:08 <Ampera> There's also a shit ton of academic bullshit I wouldn't have to go through nor pay for with a trade school.
22:19:28 <Halcyon> Mmm OK
22:19:47 <Halcyon> I mean electrician is a good skill to have, but I think you're too smart for it and would get bored if that's all you're doing
22:19:49 <Ampera> Electricians can make good money, and I think I will enjoy it.
22:20:03 <Ampera> There's more than one sort of electrician, and they can get quite complicated.
22:20:08 <Halcyon> Sure
22:20:20 <Halcyon> But in the grand scheme of things, I think you wouldn't find it challenging
22:20:36 <Ampera> and if having to shoot a tad lower means I don't have to go through 6 years of the hell I've been dealing with already, but worse, then I'd say that's a good trade.
22:20:42 <orbii> i think my best friend is gonna die soon.
22:20:43 <Halcyon> But hey, if that's what you want to do, go for it
22:20:46 <orbii> this sucks.
22:20:48 <Halcyon> Especially if there is a demand for it
22:20:52 <Halcyon> Oh no orbii :(
22:20:53 <Ampera> I think I won't find it challenging, I'll find it interesting.
22:21:17 <Ampera> and that may be more important than challenging.
22:21:44 <Halcyon> True
22:21:53 <Halcyon> But for me challenging and interesting go hand-in-hand
22:22:01 <Halcyon> Everyone is different
22:22:07 <Ampera> I'd also hardly call it mundane, depending on the sort of work, I'm likely going to travel a bunch, work with a lot of different people, and do a lot of different things
22:22:21 <Halcyon> orbii: Is it a sudden thing or has it been coming for a while?
22:22:22 <Ampera> all while working for electricity, and laying out, designing, and implementing infrastructure and circuits.
22:23:28 <orbii> Halcyon: doctors didnt realise he had cellulitis in his legs, until he turned up at hospital nearly septic.
22:23:34 <K> is trade school more likely to land you a job?
22:23:41 <Halcyon> :(
22:23:55 <orbii> Halcyon: and now it's progressing into kidney problems .. which could be the starting of renal failure
22:24:51 <orbii> it's all a bit shit.
22:24:56 <Ampera> K, electrician is an incredibly high demand good pay job.
22:25:01 <Ampera> Plenty of trades are.
22:25:25 <orbii> anyway.
22:25:27 <Ampera> It's also a job that has plenty of avenues for specialization, diversification, reapplication, and company advancement.
22:25:44 <Ampera> It's not a one paygrade ever job.
22:26:34 <K> eh, what you are saying now sounds like a trade school pamplhet a bit tbh
22:26:50 <Ampera> well it's what I've been able to find out.
22:27:16 <orbii> Ampera: i like your enthusiasm
22:27:23 <Ampera> All I can tell you is fuck college, fuck my financial aid making me take 18 fucking credits next semester, and fuck having to wait 4-6 years getting a job.
22:27:32 <K> do you have any trade school studens to talk to?
22:27:55 <Ampera> K, a few, either directly or via anecdotes from people who have.
22:28:01 <K> hm
22:28:02 <Ampera> I'm still doing research.
22:28:44 <Ampera> I am totally willing to admit I do not know everything about what I might be about to do, but I can also say no permanent decisions have been made yet, and the way things work, I can back out right up until the last minute and return to college
22:29:08 <Halcyon> Sometimes you have to go with your gut and take a chance
22:29:18 <Ampera> Halcyon, will you still be around in 40-55 minutes?
22:29:22 <Halcyon> Yep
22:29:37 <DHess_US> In most states the electrician trade is severely restricted which is why it is in high demand.
22:29:40 <Ampera> I remembered to keep my headphones charged so I get music when I walk.
22:29:52 <Ampera> DHess_US, restricted in what way
22:29:56 <Ampera> and quick I should be out the door in 2 seconds
22:30:14 <DHess_US> You have to apprentice for years working for another electrician, have to be approved by a board, etc.
22:30:24 <Ampera> Yeah I imagined that
22:30:29 <Ampera> but I also imagine I get paid while doing that
22:30:40 <Halcyon> That's about normal though DHess_US
22:30:44 <Halcyon> I wouldn't expect any less
22:30:53 <Halcyon> The last thing you want is a noob fiddling with mains power
22:30:54 <Ampera> as for the amount, if it's above around 32/year, I'm happy
22:31:02 <DHess_US> No, you don't neccessarily get paid. You have to work another job.
22:31:17 <Halcyon> Why wouldn't you get paid?
22:31:20 <Ampera> Well as I said, I need to do research.
22:31:24 <Halcyon> Isn't that what an apprenticeship is?
22:31:30 <Ampera> but if you're around in 40-55 minutes, I'll be happy to talk
22:31:32 <Ampera> bbl
22:32:16 <DHess_US> You don't get paid enough to live on. I've met a lot of electrician apprentices working at a home improvement or hardware store.
22:32:51 <Halcyon> Sure, but in Ampera's case where he's living at home
22:32:55 <Halcyon> It's a good start
22:33:09 <Halcyon> Plus he is only young
22:36:20 <Stiff> ampera, im in the building trade
22:36:39 <Stiff> and im always jelous of sparkies, they make the most money
22:36:48 <Stiff> and do the least amount of work haha
22:41:18 * orbii cracks neck
22:41:32 * Halcyon fiddles with dialling rules
22:41:42 <Halcyon> This brings back memories of old Commander and NEC systems
22:42:19 <orbii> proper phone systems are nicer.
22:42:28 <orbii> even 3cx nonsense
22:42:54 <Halcyon> Heh I think FreePBX is pretty close to a "proper" phone system these days
22:43:11 <Halcyon> Even then some, I remember a lot of these features you get for free cost big money years ago
22:43:14 <orbii> it's still a mishmash of silly open-source nonsense that barely works together
22:43:24 <orbii> for all that - it works together surprisingly well
22:43:51 <Halcyon> It's pretty well maintained and doesn't require a phone tech to configure
22:44:30 <Halcyon> I remember in my old job, even just to change an IVR or recording require NEC service software, a laptop and someone who knew what they were doing
22:58:56 <Halcyon> Heh, I've made it so if you dial the extension 999, you get an edited version of this audio: https://youtu.be/HWc3WY3fuZU?t=18
23:04:15 <T3sl4> hah
23:12:10 <Halcyon> I'll leave it as an easter egg in the IVR once I get it all up and running
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23:21:59 <coppice> what will all the yahoo groupies do now?
23:22:41 <Ampera> I made excellent time
23:23:24 <Ampera> From my home to school in about 42.5 minutes
23:23:29 <Ampera> averaging around 4.5MPH
23:24:15 <Ampera> DHess_US, put it this way, I'd rather be making not much in 2 years then be making not much in 6 years
23:24:37 <Ampera> I still have no clue what I'm gonna do in college, and from what I've seen, that rarely ends well for people.
23:24:51 * Ampera throws a caffeine tablet at Halcyon
23:25:24 <Ampera> Stiff, It's not entirely about the money, but that is nice, it's about finding something I want to do that I can get the ability to do without selling my soul and enduring years of pain and debt.
23:25:41 <Halcyon> :)
23:25:54 <Ampera> Debt is unavoidable, I understand that, but 6 years of college vers however long the trade school program lasts
23:26:45 <Ampera> I also live in a different region than you, DHess_US, so things might be different for me. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm very trust but verify at the moment for this entire enterprise.
23:27:46 <Ampera> Halcyon, dear lord do the rules and configs look unweildy and complicated.
23:27:52 <Ampera> I just hope I am able to get everything working right.
23:28:12 <Halcyon> Which rules?
23:29:19 <Ampera> for Asterisk
23:29:35 <Halcyon> I'm sure if you were doing it manually, it would be much much harder
23:29:58 <Halcyon> Doing it through the FreePBX interface is hard enough if you've never done it before. There is *a lot* to learn just for a basic set up
23:30:39 <Ampera> the issue is that I want to be able to expand as much and as far as I want
23:30:52 <Ampera> I am very concerned FreePBX will paywall shit and make it harder to do that
23:30:59 <Halcyon> Well there are stacks of options in Asterisk/FreePBX
23:31:03 <Ampera> do you know what kernel version FreePBX runs?
23:31:03 <Halcyon> You can do just about anything you want
23:31:21 <Halcyon> *shrug*
23:31:28 <Halcyon> Whatever Asterisk runs I'm guessing?
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23:31:41 <Ampera> Asterisk is a program
23:31:48 <Ampera> FreePBX runs on Linux
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23:31:54 <Ampera> Asterisk runs on Linux
23:31:56 <Halcyon> Yes, I'm aware of that
23:32:03 <Ampera> so then how can Asterisk run a kernel
23:32:14 <Halcyon> Does Asterisk not come as a bundled OS type thing as well?
23:32:22 <Ampera> if you have a terminal, can you see the output of uname -r
23:32:25 <Ampera> no
23:32:31 <Halcyon> Standby, I'll login
23:33:21 <Ampera> the issue is that I know for a fact that anything above the lower LTS 4 versions of Linux don't have working support for my card
23:33:29 <Halcyon> 3.10.0-957.21.3.el7.x86_64
23:33:37 <Ampera> wow that's ancient
23:33:40 <Ampera> alright then
23:33:46 <Halcyon> Whatever works I suppose?
23:34:10 <Ampera> I still want to get it working how I did, I chickened out on my router, I don't want to do the same on my PBX
23:34:18 <Halcyon> There were two options when I installed, one with an Asterisk 13 base and one with 16 (I think)... not sure if the underlying OS is different
23:35:12 <coppice> Ampera: which card do you have that was dropped?
23:35:18 <Ampera> coppice: TDP410
23:35:26 <Ampera> no longer works with DAHDI 3.x
23:35:30 <Ampera> *TDM
23:35:42 <Ampera> or at least a cheap chinese clone of a TDM410
23:35:56 <Halcyon> This is running DAHDI 2.11.1
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23:36:07 <Ampera> hrm, that would support my card then
23:36:22 <Ampera> Are you running the newer release of FreePBX?
23:36:33 <Halcyon> https://wiki.freepbx.org/display/F2/Supported+Cards
23:36:41 <Halcyon> Whatever the latest is
23:37:00 <Ampera> right
23:37:20 <Ampera> Well I'll consider it. My PBX runs Linux 4.4 with Arch as the distro
23:38:00 <Halcyon> It might be an idea, at least to get it up and running and get used to it. Then try something else afterwards if you like?
23:38:17 <Halcyon> I basically followed Crosstalk Solutions' FreePBX 14 playlist
23:38:21 <Halcyon> With some minor corrections
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23:39:20 <Ampera> I'd rather do it this way unless I absolutely can't get it to work.
23:39:27 <Halcyon> Suit yourself
23:39:37 <Halcyon> This alone took me 2-3 days to get working properly
23:40:11 <Ampera> If the hardware worked, it would probably take me one, but you're not using an FXS or FXO
23:40:24 <Ampera> This is literally an actual analog telephone exchange more than anything.
23:40:25 <Halcyon> True
23:40:37 <Ampera> Oh, and I found out that it does support pulse dialing, so that's nice.
23:40:41 <Halcyon> Oh nice
23:42:05 <Ampera> Halcyon, do you know who Jessica Yaniv is?
23:42:09 <Halcyon> Nope
23:42:29 <Ampera> He was the tranny who was trying to sue a bunch of beauticians for refusing to wax his feminine balls
23:42:42 <Ampera> the Canfuckian
23:43:11 <Halcyon> Oh yeh I remember you mentioning her
23:43:16 <Halcyon> What about her?
23:43:48 <Ampera> Well he petitioned the Surrey government to allow him to throw an LGBTQ kids oriented nude swim party at a public pool
23:43:52 <Ampera> https://www.skinnydipper.ca/index.php/events-calendar/event/85/Nude-Swim
23:43:58 <Ampera> Surrey fucking approved it.
23:44:04 <Halcyon> Riiiiight
23:44:25 <Ampera> There is the legal green light from Surrey to host a NUDE CHILDRENS SWIM PARTY
23:44:42 <Halcyon> Yeh that's messed up
23:44:43 <Ampera> One hosted by a KNOWN PERVERT
23:45:58 <Halcyon> What sort of parent would let their kids go to such an event?
23:46:42 <Halcyon> As if that kind of thing wouldn't attract peados
23:46:55 <Halcyon> paedo's sorry
23:48:49 <Ampera> Yaniv is a pedo
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23:51:31 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I'd better start swearing in my videos to make then definitely non-kid friendly. https://t.co/5gI9FNbQ9v
23:51:38 <Halcyon> Anyway, it's almost midnight, I'm going to head to bed
23:51:46 <Halcyon> Talk to you in the morning
23:52:25 <Ampera> goodnight, Halcyon
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