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00:34:36 <Ampera1> for the love of christ can the damn auth systems not forget who I am every other day
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01:23:42 * steve30 meows at T3sl4
01:23:50 * T3sl4 coffees steve30
01:23:57 <steve30> yay coffee :)
01:24:09 <T3sl4> yay steve30 :)
01:24:18 <T3sl4> hows your day
01:24:31 <steve30> tired
01:25:32 <T3sl4> you should find a warm CRT to curl up by
01:26:46 <steve30> that sounds nice :)
01:27:54 * steve30 curls up on T3sl4's lap and sips the coffee
01:28:06 * T3sl4 scritches steve30 behind the ear
01:28:47 <steve30> mmm
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03:11:23 <DHess_US> https://img.pr0gramm.com/2019/11/15/e8e7017c599e31da.png
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05:48:18 <DHess_US> https://imgur.com/gallery/bH33gzx
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06:24:08 <coppice> DHess_US: That kind of tree braiding is popular in Asia. All part of the bonsai ethos, I guess
06:24:38 <DHess_US> The Asians welcome their tree overlords.
06:29:10 <coppice> DHess_US: These things are fun https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/7148E2XHP2L._SL1000_.jpg They are popular at Chinese New Year, and quite cheap. I assume they use some kind of automated rotating system to get the beautifully even corkscrew effect
06:33:06 <T3sl4> yeah you see those in shops here too
06:33:27 <T3sl4> i assume it's grown in a mold, just like cubic watermelons or skull pears
06:34:03 <coppice> I don't think so. I think it just rotates at a steady pace against a side light
06:34:41 <coppice> if they grew up a corkscrew mould I think they'd end up looking moulded
06:35:02 <coppice> We used to some about a metre long, with maybe 20 turns
06:37:52 <T3sl4> so, exploiting phototaxis but only the growth tip is what's turning, hence growing a corkscrew?
06:39:43 <coppice> I was told its basically that
06:41:32 <T3sl4> don't think that would work on everything, so it's interesting that it does
06:42:03 <T3sl4> on a related note, i see a lot of maple trees with about a 1/4 to half turn in their trunk, which inevitably gets cracked and starts oozing or rotting
06:42:09 <T3sl4> always thought that was odd
06:42:10 <coppice> perhaps they shine light all the way around lower down, and a directional one on the top bit
06:46:18 <coppice> bamboo is an amazing plant to live around. the big ones groan in the spookiest way when the wind blows, and you are trying to get to sleep
06:47:28 <T3sl4> it's a grass trying to be a tree
06:47:36 <T3sl4> and doing quite well, at that
06:47:48 <coppice> a greass taller than a 3 storey house in that case
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11:30:27 <Halcyon> Hey all
11:32:31 <T3sl4> o/
11:50:20 * orbii looks about
11:50:30 <Halcyon> What's doing?
11:55:46 <orbii> yes.
12:02:05 * Ampera licks Halcyon
12:02:37 <Halcyon> :) Hi
12:04:01 <Ampera> How do
12:05:54 <Ampera> Halcyon,
12:06:59 <Halcyon> Not too bad, you?
12:07:21 <orbii> i bought a broken ps4 on ebay last nght. im probably silly for thinking i can fix it
12:08:23 <Halcyon> Heh, what's the fault?
12:08:34 <orbii> BLOD
12:08:42 <orbii> could be simple or not, i guess we'll find out
12:08:46 <Halcyon> Fair enough
12:08:57 <orbii> it was AUD50, incl. postage.
12:12:31 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: NEW Video on EEVblog2! 121GW Autoranging Speed https://t.co/u736Ds48TZ
12:14:03 <Ampera> Pensive.
12:14:35 <Halcyon> What ya thinking about Ampera?
12:14:46 <orbii> i wish my bench multimeter did continuity testing better. just means i have to use the brymen handheld for that instead
12:14:54 <orbii> Ampera: mood
12:16:07 <Ampera> Hell.
12:16:29 <Ampera> Heaven.
12:16:34 <Ampera> I've seen and found them both.
12:16:42 <Halcyon> But they are imaginary?
12:16:59 <Ampera> Imaginary is a word used by people who get angry at what they are unable to see.
12:17:08 <Halcyon> But I'm not angry?
12:17:24 <Ampera> Then perhaps you are using the wrong word.
12:17:37 <Halcyon> Nope? I'm just not religious
12:17:42 <Ampera> Neither am I.
12:17:58 <Ampera> Hell and Heaven are the names used by those who are, but it could easily be the same thing.
12:18:12 <Ampera> Ying and yang, black and white, the land of the sun and the land of the dark.
12:18:18 <Halcyon> Anyway, what's "heaven" for you?
12:18:31 <Ampera> Heaven for me, Halcyon, is Hell.
12:18:39 * orbii doesnt believe any of that nonsense
12:18:48 <Ampera> It is a place as real as it needs to be within the minds of all.
12:19:01 <Halcyon> *shrug*
12:19:11 <Ampera> It is the eyes with which we see past time, past and future that has or has not, will or will not happen and happened.
12:19:38 <Ampera> Heaven is when we can see ourselves without pain, without having to suffer.
12:19:49 <Ampera> Hell is when we have to see ourselves without pain, and without having to suffer.
12:20:10 <orbii> is it?
12:20:13 <Ampera> They are the same place, they mean the same thing, and within each and every mind, there is another heaven and hell, as real as it needs to be.
12:20:15 <orbii> sounds like your own interpretation
12:20:38 <Ampera> orbii, if it is what I believe, then it is no more real to me than water before you.
12:20:45 <Ampera> and no less
12:21:07 <orbii> it honestly sounds like you're in a weird headspace, and need to get out
12:21:10 <Ampera> Real is how people define what they want to see, imagination is how people define what they do not want to see.
12:21:22 <Ampera> orbii, I will not disagree with you, neither will I agree with you.
12:21:45 <Ampera> However, pain is a function, one exponentially linked to insanity.
12:21:55 <orbii> ahuh
12:22:14 <Ampera> Sanity, however, just like reality, relies on other variables in order to exist.
12:22:31 <orbii> the sad bit to me, is you probably think you're talking and acting lucidly :/
12:22:37 <Ampera> A sane man within a pool of those who have no sanity is the insane man.
12:23:05 <Ampera> Lucidity is what happens when your eyes only see half the world. Clarity is what happens when whatever you see is good enough.
12:23:47 <Ampera> A good dose of an insanity, in which all rules of the universe may be broken at one's own whim is a pleasure I do not intend to see vanish so quickly.
12:23:48 <orbii> it feels like you're waxing lyrical to make sense of the world, and the crazy shit going on in your head.
12:24:10 <orbii> honestly, 99% of what you're writing makes no sense to me
12:24:26 <orbii> and i really dont care to try and decipher it
12:25:03 <Ampera> Sometimes it is good to scream into a room of people, nor for them to understand, but for he who screams to know.
12:25:13 <Ampera> *nor -> not
12:25:28 <Ampera> Wouldn't you agree, Halcyon?
12:25:55 <Halcyon> Mmm/
12:25:57 <Halcyon> ?
12:26:10 <Halcyon> I don't scream
12:26:18 <Ampera> You see, I very much have seen a lot, but thought even more.
12:26:40 <Ampera> The issue arises when begin to see in my mind and think in my eyes.
12:27:59 <Ampera> Madness hugs me better than any set of arms has ever done, and I feel its pull, its beckoning, to offer me an escape from the reality of pain and misery, and an escape from hell into heaven.
12:28:19 <Ampera> Perception is a drunk bastard.
12:30:01 <Halcyon> Speaking of drunk, I might crack open a wine
12:30:06 <orbii> bit early
12:30:13 <Halcyon> It's 1230
12:30:15 <Ampera> eevblog time
12:30:15 <EEVBlog> Ah shoot, Doc! We've ended up at 12:30 Sydney time.
12:30:16 <Halcyon> On a weekend
12:30:21 <orbii> *srhug*
12:30:32 <Ampera> Oh what I wouldn't give to be drunk. Maybe it would move me closer to bliss from pain.
12:30:39 <Halcyon> I have some VPN stuff do to, I work better when I'm slightly buzzed
12:30:54 <Halcyon> Ampera: Don't ever fall into the trap of using alcohol to fix pain
12:30:58 <Halcyon> It makes things worse
12:31:18 <orbii> drugs - alcohol or other - is just masking the pain. it'll drag you into a place where you start thinking you need them to just get on with life, leading to addiction, and a destroyed life.
12:31:33 <Ampera> Tell me Halcyon, if there is no alcohol, if there is no tylenol for the mind, how do I relieve pain
12:31:39 <orbii> you dont
12:31:47 <orbii> life is pain
12:31:53 <orbii> learn to live with it
12:31:56 <Ampera> When I feel every path is blocked, every person rides against me, and I cannot stop the agony within myself, what do I do.
12:32:01 <Halcyon> It might solve the problem of pain (in the short term) but creates several new problems
12:32:15 <rust_collector> meh, alcohol is an amplifier. if you are happy, you will be happier. if not, better stay away, imo
12:32:25 <orbii> resilience is learning to face the adversity and do it anyway.
12:32:34 <Halcyon> I drink because it's enjoyable and I like the interplay of flavours. I don't drink to get drunk nor because I "need" to.
12:33:10 <Ampera> orbii, insanity is expecting to walk through a wall when it is as solid as brick.
12:33:51 <DHess_US> Bricks are mostly empty space so you should have no trouble walking through them.
12:33:57 <orbii> ^
12:34:11 <Halcyon> Heh
12:34:21 <DHess_US> Try some more and change your name to John Warfin.
12:34:34 <DHess_US> Obscure?
12:34:39 <orbii> some people see failure as a reason to stop. others see failure as a reason to keep on trying.
12:34:43 <Ampera> DHess_US, and I should, just as simply, stop feeling pain, and learn to live with it.
12:35:00 <Ampera> orbii, I see failure as a reason to keep on trying to stop.
12:35:05 <orbii> sucks to be you
12:35:14 <Ampera> Unfortunately I fail at that too.
12:36:30 <DHess_US> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjA92f_iCHQ
12:36:41 <Ampera> Unfortunately I have no other choice but to keep on trying. I cannot stop breathing, I cannot stop hearing, and I cannot stop seeing.
12:36:50 <orbii> sure you can
12:37:00 <Ampera> orbii, I have tried, but I have failed at that too.
12:37:14 <Ampera> If one defines trying as a will to do something obstructed by an impassible obstacle.
12:37:58 <Ampera> I have not tried to find joy, yet all I have managed to find is pain, and I am unsure how much more pain I am able to handle.
12:38:10 <orbii> you'd be surprised
12:38:14 <Ampera> Everyone has a limit, and I fear mine may be fast approaching.
12:38:31 <Halcyon> I have a base for a sprinkler made of concrete in a coke bottle, how long do you think it takes to cure?
12:40:31 <Ampera> I have never looked into the mirror and been horrified, nigh disgusted before.
12:40:53 <Ampera> I have never known my own face to be pain.
12:40:57 <Halcyon> Yeh because you have spunky short hair now
12:41:16 <Ampera> I am still questioning why.
12:41:44 <Ampera> Why can I not find happiness, not even that, relief from pain no matter where I look.
12:42:42 <Ampera> I feel as if I have lost so much of my family, not because they have died. No, I've lost who they were and must deal with who they are now.
12:43:06 <Ampera> I feel as if my future, no matter how likely it is, remains obstructed and challenged by impassible obstacles.
12:43:23 <Ampera> I feel as if I cannot even feel my skin and not feel horrid, horrid pain.
12:44:03 <Ampera> and worst of all, I feel as if I can talk to nobody, as if I can explain to nobody. The medium of online text is the best way I know how to express myself, even better than speech.
12:44:22 <Ampera> I feel as if nobody is able nor willing to help me, and that I am infinitely alone.
12:44:31 <orbii> welcome to the real world?
12:44:56 <Ampera> orbii, and my point, if there is one, is that if this is the real world, then I no longer wish to exist within the real world.
12:45:02 <orbii> okayh.
12:45:18 <Ampera> The joys do not outweigh the pains, and they only diminish.
12:52:09 <orbii> sad thing to me, is it feels like you think the world owes you something
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12:56:52 <Ampera> orbii, I won't excuse my warbling to you, if you just want to kick me while I'm down then you can eat shit
12:57:20 <Ampera> I don't think anything besides my pain and how I can't get rid of it. The only sad fucking thing I can do is moan about it on the internet because I have nobody else to talk to.
12:58:36 <orbii> Ampera: i dont see you're adding any value to this channel or your life by wallowing in your pain and fruitlessly ranting and rambling about how bad your life is
12:58:54 <orbii> i realise you're a kid, you're lacking a lot of life expeirence
12:59:02 <orbii> do what the rest of us learned to do a long time ago - life is pain, learn to get on with it anyway.
13:00:38 <Ampera> I never said I was adding value to anything. It is simply the only thing left of me that I have.
13:13:58 <Halcyon> BRB
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13:34:37 <Halcyon> Grrr I cannot work out why this traffic is being blocked
13:35:25 <coppice> could it be due to that axe cut through the fibres?
13:38:43 <orbii> it's usually a backhoe isnt it?
13:38:48 <orbii> fibre attracts them
13:40:14 <coppice> true. perhaps I just had Pink Floyd going through my head when I wrote that
13:40:43 <coppice> its not just fibre. copper attracts them too
13:41:03 <Halcyon> Nope, it was just me
13:41:12 <Halcyon> I forgot to add the IP range into the allowable SIP networks
13:41:24 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
13:41:24 <Halcyon> I forgot there was a 3rd place in Asterisk I had to add it
13:41:29 * Halcyon cuddles Ampera
13:41:49 <coppice> SIP a de doo dah. SIP a dee yay
13:42:06 <Halcyon> coppice: I expect those sorts of puns from T3sl4 :P
13:42:37 <T3sl4> i expect those kinds of puns from coppice
13:43:01 <Halcyon> *smirk*
13:45:49 <coppice> some people just know where to go for expertise
13:47:32 <Halcyon> OK its working, sort of
13:47:48 <Halcyon> I need to try and work out how I can use my VPN without routing ALL traffic through the OVPN tunnel
13:47:52 <Halcyon> But for now it does the job
13:47:55 <T3sl4> according to Halcyon, i'm an expertease
13:48:02 <Halcyon> Heh
13:53:41 <Halcyon> orbii, How good are you with Android and OpenVPN ?
13:55:00 <orbii> i've used android a handful of times, as our work on-call phone is android.
13:55:11 <orbii> but - only as a phone
13:55:26 <Halcyon> At the moment I'm tunneled in from home but I have to "Force all client-generated IPv4 traffic through the tunnel" for it to connect to my internal SIP server
13:55:47 <Halcyon> If I turn off that option, internet traffic works on my phone through 4G but breaks the connect to the SIP server
13:55:52 <orbii> you'd need to have some sort of split-horizon setup, i imagine
13:56:02 <orbii> where you're only routing certain IPs via the tunnel
13:56:24 <Halcyon> I *thought* the OVPN client would take care of that, but it seems it doesn't (or doesn't do it properly)
13:56:28 <orbii> perhaps something that can be set on the VPN server
13:56:52 <Halcyon> Well if I don't force traffic, one of the options is the subnet that is accessible to clients, but even with that complete, it seems the client ignores it?
13:57:00 <Halcyon> Or the metric is all messed up
13:57:22 <orbii> weird
13:57:50 <Ampera> orbii, you're a BSD guy, a headless FreeBSD server is getting into a strange state.
13:58:29 <Ampera> Randomly, after a while, the server will crash, but it's not a kernel panic. All network communications and a telephone interface card will go dark, but it won't reset.
13:58:30 <Halcyon> I might try manually push the route to Android, perhaps it doesn't recognise the field in pfsense
13:58:36 <Ampera> as it would normally do with a kernel panic
13:59:01 <Ampera> I've checked the kernel message buffer, but there's nothing
14:00:54 <orbii> i've seen freebsd lock up with hardware faults before
14:01:08 <Ampera> just realized dmesg doesn't show previous boots :P
14:01:22 <Ampera> is FreeBSD configured to dump those anywhere?
14:01:36 <orbii> should go in your messages
14:01:42 <Ampera> aye
14:01:55 <orbii> thing is, on a crash - you have a sync problem, and it may not be written
14:02:14 <Ampera> aye
14:02:17 <Ampera> yeah there's nothing in here
14:02:27 <orbii> dont suppose you can put a screen on it when it crashes next?
14:02:36 <orbii> otherwise you'd need something like a serial console, and capture that
14:02:36 <Ampera> In theory I can.
14:02:43 <Halcyon> OK I think I solved it
14:02:47 <orbii> sweet.
14:02:54 <Halcyon> Needed a: push "route 10.78.31.0 255.255.255.0"
14:03:01 <Halcyon> \o/
14:03:03 <orbii> noice
14:03:23 <Halcyon> YAY! Now I can have a persistent VPN connection to home without is impacting on my cellular internet speed
14:03:40 <Halcyon> *it
14:03:44 * orbii contemplates adc bitdepth of the rigol ms5k
14:04:33 <Halcyon> Sounds complicated
14:06:13 <orbii> just sems weird i cant seem to find it
14:25:06 <coppice> If a scope doesn't say its 8 bits. the rigol 5k does say, and its still 8 bits
14:38:58 <orbii> *nod*
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18:34:59 <steve30> I think I'll have another coffee
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