// #eevblog — 2019-11-02
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09:14:26 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: How easy would it be to screen shot this and photoshop it? Do the police & pubs & clubs have scanners to verify the barcode?, I'm betting not. At least a physical card is hard to fake the security features. It's begging for an app that lets you modify it for kicks. @nswpolice https://t.co/QOW5VWid3Z
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09:29:05 <Ampera> Did you fix your PC, Halcyon?
09:29:13 <Halcyon> Nope, still using my laptop
09:29:20 <Ampera> alright
09:29:20 <Halcyon> Mainly because the screen has a higher resolution :P
09:29:27 <Ampera> lol
09:29:31 <Halcyon> Also, I like being out in the living room
09:29:55 <Ampera> owo, Linux LTS
09:30:12 <Halcyon> Uhuh
09:30:20 <Ampera> me thinks debianoid
09:30:53 <Halcyon> MX Linux so yeh, Debian based
09:33:15 <Halcyon> Jerry just went for a little fly, landed in the sink
09:33:42 <Halcyon> Well, kind of crash landed
09:33:51 <Ampera> poor bird
09:34:37 <Halcyon> Yeh, he is still learning to manoeuvre. He can stay airborne now since most of his feathers have grown, but tends to his walls and windows.
09:34:45 <Halcyon> *hit
09:51:54 <Halcyon> I'm searching for music on hold for my phone systems
09:51:57 <Halcyon> -s
09:57:44 <Ampera> Halcyon, https://thisisarecordingdotcom.blogspot.com/
09:57:53 <Ampera> thank me later (not hold music, but you'll like it)
09:58:13 <Halcyon> Heh
09:59:06 <Halcyon> Heh, I like the Russian ones, they sound so "soviet"
09:59:44 <Ampera> Aye
10:00:14 <Halcyon> I'm getting a mate of mine who is a professional voice artist to do my IVR
10:00:24 <coppice> the voices sound so dated, but I'm not sure why
10:00:35 <Halcyon> Coppice: Probably because they are all dead now? :P
10:01:07 <Ampera> I genuinely am going to need an "all circuits busy" response, so I might as well make it bell authentic.
10:01:17 <Ampera> with a SIT and everything
10:01:18 <Halcyon> Hah
10:01:21 <coppice> Halcyon: the important things with IVR prompts are to get good acoustics that you can easily and cheaply repeat, and to use someone you can easily and cheaply get back
10:01:37 <Halcyon> Beer economy :)
10:02:05 <Halcyon> But yeh he will record it all for me in his studio, I just need to give him the script. Just got to write it first.
10:02:18 <coppice> you will ALWAYS want some extra prompts, and it can be really hard to get them to blend well unless you prepare for it
10:02:50 <Halcyon> Yes of course, but I'll try to think ahead as much as possible
10:03:06 <Halcyon> For example, I'll get him to record all the numbers so if I ever need to change or add menu options, I have the sound files
10:03:28 <Halcyon> FreePBX allows for nested announcements, so they don't all have to be recorded in the same file
10:03:49 <coppice> you say of course, but most people don't prepare for it, and are shocked when they find the problems using their favourite "professional" eventually causes
10:03:59 <Halcyon> Heh
10:04:11 <Halcyon> Oh I know, I've heard many examples of poorly planned IVRs
10:04:50 <Halcyon> I'm even getting him to record different inflections of the same sentences so I can mix and match depending on the overall context
10:05:11 <coppice> voiceover people, especially multi-lingual ones, charge a fortune
10:05:34 <Halcyon> I've known this guy for years, he's doing it for me for the cost of beverages
10:06:05 <coppice> if he's any good he could be getting $1M per annum
10:06:11 <Halcyon> As a backup, I have a colleague at work who has an excellent "radio voice"
10:06:30 <Halcyon> *shrug* He mostly does commercials and things like that
10:06:44 <coppice> receptionists and switchboard operators are usually good choices
10:07:41 <Halcyon> Our organisation doesn't have those
10:08:03 <Halcyon> You're lucky to get the name of the person answering half the time
10:08:36 <coppice> its surprising how often people don't think of those people, failing to notice that one of the reasons they got their job is because they have a pleasant voice
10:08:56 <Halcyon> *nod*
10:09:09 <Halcyon> I would record it myself, but I hate hearing my own voice
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10:09:15 <Ampera> hullo ThunderSqueak
10:09:31 <Halcyon> I'd also get Ampera to do it, but he is too American :P
10:10:18 <Ampera> I also couldn't guarantee anything close to an acoustic standard.
10:10:21 <Halcyon> Although I will put an "easter egg" into the phone system for shits and giggles
10:10:45 <Halcyon> I'm going to put the new emergency services number from the IT Crowd as an extension
10:10:54 <Halcyon> Not sure what I'll have it do yet when you dial it
10:11:26 <Ampera> I'm still debating what to do with emergency numbers. Currently 911 does nothing, and there is no way to contact anyone outside of direct dialing.
10:11:48 <Halcyon> Don't VoIP providers route E911 ?
10:12:08 <Ampera> Google voice doesn't.
10:12:15 <Ampera> Real VoIP providers are stupid expensive.
10:12:33 <Halcyon> My ISPs SIP trunk is exactly $0/month
10:12:37 <Halcyon> I just pay for outbound calls
10:13:11 <Ampera> I'd probably have shit luck even explaining to a service representative what the fuck SIP is.
10:13:20 <Halcyon> Heh
10:13:25 <coppice> professional voiceover usually tries to achieve consistent acoustics by recording the dryest version of the voice possible. they might then need to reintroduce some acoustics digitally, to avoid the voice sounding really dead, but that can be done in a 100% repeatable manner at any time
10:13:32 <Halcyon> Yep, been there. So many ISPs are horrible to deal with.
10:14:18 <Halcyon> Although not the cheapest, my ISP only has their call centres in Australia and all their support guys are actually techie nerds
10:14:26 <Ampera> The issue is that my ISP likely would consider their SIP service to be a business feature and refuse to sell it to us
10:14:31 <Halcyon> Last time I call the guy goes "Oh, I see someone's using IPv6"
10:14:37 <Halcyon> Then got into a discussion about pfsense
10:15:17 <Halcyon> Ampera: I guess because POTS isn't a thing anymore in Australia, the ISPs have to provide a free/cheap SIP service to those who want a "landline" number.
10:15:25 <Halcyon> All calls also must route to E000/E112
10:15:54 <Ampera> Yeah, at the very least they would charge us a monthly rate for phone service.
10:16:08 <ThunderSqueak> hi there people
10:16:14 <Ampera> Also Verizon is a Bell company, Bell Atlantic
10:16:18 <Ampera> so they are the phone company
10:16:29 <Ampera> hullo ThunderSqueak
10:16:34 <Halcyon> That used to be the case with traditional phone lines, but I guess since it's so easy to spin up a SIP service without having to physically do any cabling, I think it's difficult for providers to justify the cost of a basic service.
10:16:36 <ThunderSqueak> how are you?
10:17:49 <Ampera> All I'd really be paying for is the outlet to an already packet switched and digitized network.
10:18:12 <Ampera> The only difference is that there is a special number fancier than an IP address
10:18:17 <Halcyon> For example, the most expensive voice plan on my ISP is $20/month for unlimited national calls and international calls are charged at some nominal rate depending on the country, from 5c/minute to
10:18:33 <Ampera> Our current solution will be an FXO connected to an Obi box.
10:18:43 <Halcyon> *nod*
10:18:49 <Ampera> International calls to Germany a 1c/minute, which is the only nation we call to
10:19:12 <Halcyon> I mean but still, even for free, I still get an "external" phone number that is dialable from any phone.
10:19:37 <Halcyon> So really, it costs providers nothing to do so
10:19:57 <Halcyon> If you want "fancy" numbers like 13, 1300, 1800 etc... they cost
10:20:25 <Ampera> afaik US and AU dialing plans are different
10:20:32 <Ampera> so I have little idea what you're talking about
10:20:45 <Halcyon> 13/1300 are premium rate numbers, 1800 are toll-free numbers
10:20:55 <Halcyon> Sorry, not premium rate, local rate
10:21:01 <Halcyon> Premium are 1902... I think??
10:21:30 <Ampera> Here 800 numbers are toll free, but are 1-800 because they require an interstate number
10:21:44 <Halcyon> Basically anything other than a regular STD code and number cost money
10:28:32 <Halcyon> I'm wondering if this style of music is too music for hold music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFV9HuaSzgw&list=PLzCxunOM5WFKZuBXTe8EobD6Dwi4qV-kO&index=20
10:29:40 <Ampera> Halcyon, I have the best hold music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FltH3dQrC_s
10:30:03 <Halcyon> Hahaha
10:30:36 <Ampera> It would make an awesome infinite hold music for unwanted callers
10:30:43 <coppice> the best music for music on hold is the music asserting the fewest rights
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10:31:00 <That_dang_fox> Heya
10:31:08 <Ampera> Mustard is delicious.
10:31:20 <Halcyon> I don't really want to have an IVR at all, but it helps filter out 99.9% of spam/autodialler calls
10:31:39 <Halcyon> I'll repeat the menu options twice, then drop the call
10:31:54 <Halcyon> Hey That_dang_fox
10:32:44 <That_dang_fox> What's up?
10:32:49 <Halcyon> Coffee
10:33:42 <Ampera> Halcyon, what's the difference between me and a set of christmas lights?
10:33:58 <Halcyon> Hmmm... you don't suck?
10:34:09 <Ampera> The christmas lights don't hang themselves.
10:34:16 <Halcyon> Heh dark
10:34:39 <Ampera> I'm in a dark, suicidal mood.
10:34:45 <Halcyon> I can tell
10:35:06 <Halcyon> Want to feel pain? Eat those noodles
10:35:14 <Ampera> I'm already full
10:35:19 <Ampera> I know I said I would eat them today
10:35:23 <Halcyon> :)
10:35:25 <Ampera> but I just ate almost 3 pounds of meat
10:35:30 <Halcyon> I'm just trying to help you
10:36:04 <Ampera> Thanksgiving is going to be a disaster this year.
10:36:26 <Halcyon> That reminds me, my mother keeps bugging me about Christmas. Every year she makes it into a drama.
10:36:32 <Halcyon> I'd be happy just to skip it
10:38:41 <Ampera> The issue is my dad's girlfriend.
10:38:49 <Ampera> I do not like her, and do not want to be near her, nevermind at the same table
10:38:56 <Ampera> and my dad is being a real cunt about it
10:39:18 <Halcyon> So things aren
10:39:23 <Halcyon> 't any better with her?
10:39:27 <Ampera> he's pissed I'm not falling into line and accepting her, and doesn't care if I feel like shit about it or much of anything else
10:39:30 <Ampera> lolno
10:39:39 <Halcyon> :(
10:39:52 <Ampera> I've really only learned that at least my dad cares less for me than he does her, and at worse doesn't care for me.
10:41:13 <coppice> Halcyon: is this drama a nativity play?
10:41:20 <Ampera> Yet I have to live with him, there's nobody else I can live with.
10:41:34 <Ampera> so at least for thanksgiving I'm going to go out to eat with my mom alone
10:41:41 <Halcyon> coppice: Which drama?
10:41:52 <Ampera> The one with your mom, Halcyon
10:41:56 <Halcyon> Oh
10:42:06 <Halcyon> Hah, no, she just has nothing better to do than complain
10:42:37 <Ampera> Christmas is going to be even worse
10:43:07 <Halcyon> Traditionally we always did Christmas at the family home, but now, I live about 70 km away and my sister lives 330 km away
10:43:10 <Halcyon> So it's kind of hard
10:43:12 <Ampera> Today was the most intense my suicidal thoughts have ever gotten, so I'm sort of easing it off and trying to joke about it
10:43:22 <Ampera> 70km isn't that far
10:43:26 <Halcyon> No its not
10:43:34 <Halcyon> It's shorter than my drive to work
10:43:46 <Ampera> 330km is more, but that's only maybe 4 hours of driving
10:43:54 <Halcyon> It's just getting everyone together in one place at the same time, my sister is working so *shrug*
10:44:19 <Halcyon> I'm happy just to get Jerry a little christmas hat and call it a day :P
10:44:46 <coppice> Halcyon: sounds like the old joke "At Christmas we always have pigs in blankets, or relatives staying the night, as you might say."
10:44:55 <Ampera> All it does to me now is symbolize the joy and love I've lost and forgotten over the years
10:44:56 <Halcyon> Hahahah
10:45:01 <Ampera> and expose the pain and suffering that's replaced it.
10:54:46 * Halcyon cuddles Ampera
10:55:00 <Ampera> that was a belated cuddle, I already slit my wrists.
10:55:13 <Halcyon> I was making coffee
10:55:20 <Halcyon> Feel better?
10:55:55 <Ampera> no, because I didn't actually
10:58:39 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QDNdxTf2rY&list=PLzCxunOM5WFKIFKApBxd7Qbl2MVhM7t0O&index=38
10:58:45 <Halcyon> Is this too "70's porno" ?
10:59:00 <Ampera> Yes.
10:59:13 <Halcyon> So add it to the rotation then? :P
11:00:27 <Ampera> If you're a 70's porn agency, yes.
11:00:33 <Halcyon> Heh
11:02:58 <Ampera> gonna take a nap
11:10:46 <Halcyon> Okies
11:23:36 <ThunderSqueak> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFsaMOMXYAAI7jy?format=jpg
11:37:32 * T3sl4 purrs at ThunderSqueak
11:37:41 * ThunderSqueak pets T3sl4
11:37:44 <ThunderSqueak> hi there
11:37:54 <T3sl4> a ThunderSqueak!
11:38:03 <ThunderSqueak> yes
11:38:22 <T3sl4> what's up
11:39:56 <ThunderSqueak> not much, I have pea soup in the slow cooker, watching the end of a movie (Man on the Moon) and waiting for people to show up for D&D
11:40:30 <T3sl4> i had chili over noodles earlier
11:40:41 <ThunderSqueak> I do that over rice or baked potato
11:40:43 <T3sl4> also just got a squash out of the oven, so i'll have that whenever
11:40:43 <ThunderSqueak> :>
11:40:51 <T3sl4> also good choices :)
11:41:13 <ThunderSqueak> yep
11:41:13 <ThunderSqueak> :D
11:41:51 <T3sl4> i made it with beans, but i've done it with rice too
11:42:20 <ThunderSqueak> *nod*
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12:30:20 <T3sl4> there, the squash is baked, and all cut up and put away :)
12:34:02 <Halcyon> Mmm squash
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12:37:49 <T3sl4> http://www.specialtyproduce.com/sppics/9656.png this kind
12:38:05 <Halcyon> Ohhh
12:38:24 <Halcyon> We call those pumpkins
12:39:00 <Halcyon> This is squash: https://img.taste.com.au/mu_iIYlA/w720-h480-cfill-q80/taste/2016/11/yellow-squash-47612-1.jpg
12:39:11 <T3sl4> all varieties of cucurbitacea yeah
12:40:04 <T3sl4> cucurbita i should say
12:40:13 <Halcyon> They are all delicious
12:41:33 <T3sl4> i should get some pie pumpkins too, and make actual pie
12:41:44 <T3sl4> might make a pie with what i have now, for that matter
12:46:18 <T3sl4> wow https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cucurbita#/media/File:Sangkhaya_fak_thong.JPG
12:46:27 <T3sl4> it's like inverse pumpkin pie, i want it
12:51:45 <Halcyon> I've never had pumpkin pie
12:51:57 <Halcyon> Most of our pies are meaty (or sweet like Apple/Fruit pies)
12:51:59 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Don't mess with the geese, they'll f%&k your shit right up https://t.co/Lz19heqD7F
12:52:25 <T3sl4> cheesecake?
12:52:31 <Halcyon> Wha?
12:52:36 <Halcyon> Cheesecake is not pie
12:53:42 <T3sl4> wat
12:53:47 <T3sl4> it sure as hell isn't a cake
12:53:53 <Halcyon> Um
12:53:54 <Halcyon> Yes it is
12:54:00 <T3sl4> it's a custard, youtard
12:54:06 <T3sl4> >:)
12:54:08 <Halcyon> Just like ice cream cake is a cake
12:54:26 <T3sl4> ice cream cake is a sandwich, but that's beside the point
12:54:36 <Halcyon> A sandwich is stuff inside bread
12:55:00 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Video on PCB checkout manufacturing options coming up, but I think it's gonna be a long one...
12:55:26 <Halcyon> And burgers are things inside buns
12:55:27 <T3sl4> anyway, custard pies are pies
12:55:32 <Halcyon> You American's have it all wrong
12:55:41 <Halcyon> We call them "tarts"
12:55:42 <T3sl4> your bf is things inside buns
12:55:43 <Halcyon> But yeh, sure.
12:55:48 <Halcyon> Bahaha
12:56:21 <T3sl4> tart makes sense for the citrus ones i suppose
12:56:29 <T3sl4> what we would call lemon or lime pie
12:56:50 <Halcyon> https://img.taste.com.au/u2l79aUu/taste/2016/11/classic-custard-tarts-92533-1.jpeg
12:58:11 <T3sl4> tiny, but yeah
12:59:36 <Halcyon> You can make them any size
13:03:42 * T3sl4 points at his mouth
13:18:44 <DHess_US> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIDTEzYX0AEyINV.jpg
13:24:12 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Wow, the Lion Air 737 that crashed had an incorrectly repaired/installed AoA sensor that was 21deg out. Yep, that'll start the chain reaction alright. https://t.co/dXYde5Krra
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14:35:41 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RT @TheAmpHour: We will be closing down our 2019 listener survey (discussed in episode 462, linked below) on November 15th. Have some fee…
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17:54:02 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I know there is a lot of gaps in there, but this is over 2 hours of raw footage. I think I waffled a bit too much. If this edits to under 50min I'll be impressed. https://t.co/QGP4WxySRZ
18:16:19 * Halcyon scratches at Steve
18:25:20 * steve30 meows at Halcyon
18:25:25 <steve30> I just woke up
18:26:01 <Halcyon> Aw morning :-)
18:26:06 <Halcyon> ... wait *checks*
18:26:19 <Halcyon> Yep, morning :P
18:26:25 <Halcyon> (With you, I never know)
18:26:50 <steve30> :)
18:30:44 <steve30> So, yesterday, VoIP calls stopped coming through on my Debian system (in Ekiga)
18:30:55 <steve30> But they came through find in Ekiga on Windows XP
18:34:43 <Halcyon> Oh, weird
18:38:02 <Halcyon> I need to order a VoIP handset
18:38:25 * steve30 hugs Halcyon
18:38:37 <Halcyon> Aw *hugs*
18:47:29 * T3sl4 hugs steve30
18:49:20 * steve30 curls up on T3sl4
18:49:34 * T3sl4 scritches steve30
18:50:01 * steve30 purrs
18:51:07 <steve30> I wonder if I should change my network to use fixed IP addresses
18:52:31 <Halcyon> Which part of it?
18:53:29 <steve30> all of it
18:53:50 <Halcyon> I wouldn't, unless its a very small network, it becomes an administrative nightmare
18:53:55 <steve30> The DHCP server changed my printer's IP address the other day, and that's always a pain.
18:54:05 <Halcyon> Why not reserve IPs using DHCP?
18:54:16 <steve30> That might be doable
18:54:17 <Halcyon> Static IPs have no advantage over a properly functioning DHCP server
18:54:29 * steve30 isn't much of a networking expert
18:54:58 <Halcyon> Just chuck the MAC address of the printer into your DHCP server and reserve an IP
18:55:02 <Halcyon> It will always hand out that IP
18:55:15 <steve30> I'll try that
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23:19:11 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: My PCB Manufacturing options video is 1hr 10min! I couldn't be buggered to try and edit it down under an hour, so you get the whole hog. No correspondence will be entered into.
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