// #eevblog — 2019-11-10
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00:53:25 <coppice> replacing old laptop batteries can be a problem. They used to use to funky shaped cells, that aren't easy to get
00:58:05 <Ampera> DHess_US, that comic was running through my mind as this project has gone on
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01:35:42 <DHess_US> Ampera, just making sure.
01:35:54 <DHess_US> I have had a lot of projects like that.
01:36:10 <Ampera> well I'm now at the point where the kernel is panicking when I load the driver module for my card
01:36:11 <Ampera> so that's nice
01:38:38 <DHess_US> This is why I like to do new stuff on separate hardware, so the desktop does not become a lost cause.
01:40:37 <Ampera> I am on separate hardware
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02:54:07 <Nothing\> hello chief, let's talk why not
02:54:41 <Nothing\> heh i can safely say now i know what it smells like to have my gums burned off with electricity
02:55:21 <rust_collector> burnt gums and ozone?
02:55:25 <Nothing\> had some fillings done where the cavity was way below the gumline, so the dentist had to cauterize my gums away
02:55:35 <Nothing\> actually it smelled remarkably similar to burnt hair
02:56:11 <Nothing\> it's odd i could smell it too cuz i had a nitrous mask over my nose, but those things never fit properly anyways
02:56:23 <Nothing\> also how've you been, rust_collector?
02:56:32 <Nothing\> feels like it's been a while
02:57:45 <rust_collector> eeh, not bad. I had this week off, except thursday and friday, which means I get next week off. We got the first snow here yesterday, so we have been outside annoying neighbors today
02:57:48 <T3sl4> ouch, that'll hurt tomorrow
02:58:07 <T3sl4> yeah, burnt protein from most anywhere smells pretty awful
02:58:37 <Nothing\> i've been dealing with a whole slew of problems from an infected tooth, had the side of my face swell up looking like there was a softball in it, the pressure caused nerve damage so half of my lower lip is numb, then i got thrush from all of the antibiotics they had me on, and now i'm dealing with pain and swelling from having my gums burned off, but it at least seems to be getting better
02:58:57 <Nothing\> T3sl4: i was wondering what causes that smell and protein came to mind, thanks for confirming my suspicions
02:59:30 <Nothing\> rust_collector: : nice, we had our first snow a few days ago, pretty well right on november 1st it went from mid teens to hovering around 0c
02:59:53 <Nothing\> but yeah T3sl4 i think burnt hair is hands down the worst smell ever, or at least one of them
03:00:21 <T3sl4> keratin has more sulfur in it than most
03:00:29 <rust_collector> I had a tooth so full of crap, that the jaw bone cracked once. it was not ideal
03:00:29 <T3sl4> snowed a few times here already :|
03:00:37 <Nothing\> ah yeah i was wondering if keratin was made of protein or not
03:00:53 <Nothing\> i remembered burning fingernail smells similar to burning hair
03:00:59 <rust_collector> yep
03:01:10 <Nothing\> rust_collector: ah jeez man, yeah i'm worried the infection's gonna go into my jaw bone
03:01:19 <Nothing\> i had a root canal, but it's still really sore and swollen
03:01:39 <T3sl4> don't suck and dislodge the clot
03:02:15 <Nothing\> they had me on metronidazole initially, but it swelled up real bad after a few days of that, and alarmingly fast, within about 12 hours it went from almost no swelling to being so swollen i couldn't talk or close my mouth, my lip was sticking out like bubba on forest gump and i could only talk out of one side of my mouth
03:02:28 <Nothing\> oh there's no clot, it was just a root canal, no extraction
03:02:45 <Nothing\> but yeah i've heard horror stories about dry socket, exposed jaw bone sounds terrible
03:03:03 <K> this sounds like a horror to me
03:03:43 <T3sl4> oh right they plug a root canal nvm
03:03:46 <Nothing\> but after the swelling exploded like that i went to the ER and they put me on 3 days of ceftriaxone shots, then a week of amoxicillin/clavulanic acid and got the root canal in the middle of that but it seems like it's still infected
03:04:15 <rust_collector> do you have a dremel?
03:04:17 <Nothing\> T3sl4: yup apparently they use a rod of gutta percha, which is some sort of plant, and eugenol to keep it sterile
03:04:28 <Nothing\> lol rust_collector it's funny you say that cuz i actually just bought one a few weeks ago
03:04:32 <T3sl4> rubber from a plant, yes
03:04:49 <Nothing\> except i haven't got a vice or anything to secure my work with, and no gloves so i can't really use it
03:04:53 <rust_collector> ok, dremel... don't think about it, it is not the same as the one dentists use
03:05:02 <Nothing\> i wanted to use it so i could tear down things that aren't easy to take apart
03:05:15 <Nothing\> rust_collector: the term for the one the dentists use is a hand piece
03:05:37 <rust_collector> they can call it a washing machine if they want.
03:05:53 <Nothing\> heh there used to be a neat picture on wikipedia from a root canal where they had the root pulled out intact
03:06:02 <Nothing\> ah brb
03:07:43 <rust_collector> i saw an old dentists drill in a museum, it was foot powered, like an old sewing machine. It was really really slow.
03:07:58 <rust_collector> good times
03:08:34 <rust_collector> ok, have fun, I am going outside to do brake lines on an audi. see you next year, if I am done by then
03:08:57 <Nothing\> ah yeah i've seen those
03:09:11 <Nothing\> apparently before those they used a tiny spoon sorta scoop to scoop the decayed tooth out with
03:09:28 <T3sl4> yummy
03:09:39 <Nothing\> yeah and keep in mind this was before anesthetics too
03:10:13 <rust_collector> they had being drunk and strapped down
03:10:57 <Nothing\> yeah there's a couple of first hand written accounts of mastectomies from before anesthetic that sounded pretty gruesome
03:12:20 <rust_collector> old doctors "tool kits" were pretty similar to a carpenters.
03:12:29 <T3sl4> there's the civil war amputation that had a 300% fatality rate
03:13:05 <rust_collector> that is pretty good
03:13:15 <Nothing\> most surgeons doubled as barbers, apparently the red and white stripes of a barber pole represent bloody bandages
03:13:28 <Ampera> Hi Nothing\
03:13:29 <Ampera> how do
03:13:39 <Nothing\> hey Ampera i'm doing pretty good, how bout you?
03:14:01 <Ampera> eh
03:14:02 <rust_collector> maybe the were bloody bandages, drying, and getting ready for the next use?
03:14:06 <Nothing\> ah sorry to hear that
03:14:08 <Ampera> lotsa stuff going on
03:14:14 <Ampera> I'm planning on quitting college
03:14:18 <Nothing\> actually sorry to take off so quick again but i've gotta go
03:14:23 <Ampera> np
03:14:24 <Ampera> ciao
03:14:24 <Nothing\> take care man
03:35:15 <DHess_US> <Nothing\> had some fillings done where the cavity was way below the gumline, so the dentist had to cauterize my gums away
03:35:16 <DHess_US> <Nothing\> actually it smelled remarkably similar to burnt hair
03:35:46 <DHess_US> When I had surgery on my wrist with local anesthesia and they cauterized, it sounded and smelled like frying bacon.
03:36:06 <T3sl4> mmm, long pork rhind
03:36:18 <DHess_US> Yup
03:39:35 <DHess_US> I can confirm by personal experience that when cooked, we sound and smell like bacon, except for Nothing\; he smells like dog hair.
03:44:23 <DHess_US> The surgery was for an angioma and just done in the doctor's office. But when he cut into an artery, blood shot 10+ feet across the room which was interesting.
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06:09:41 <DHess_US> Man sentenced to life without parole dies, is resuscitated (allegedly in violation of his do-not-resuscitate order). Man: So now I should be released immediately. I completed my sentence. Iowa appeals court: No.
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06:35:55 <rust_collector> that is an interesting...thing
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10:10:03 <Halcyon> DHess_US, I think there is a difference between actual death and clinical death
10:10:30 <Halcyon> "Death" in the common sense is irreversible
10:11:40 * Ampera throws an orange at Halcyon
10:11:42 <rust_collector> but does common sense have anything to do with most legal systems?
10:11:57 <Halcyon> Mmmm citrusy
10:12:15 <Ampera> How are you doing, Halcyon?
10:12:26 <Halcyon> I find the systems themselves to mostly have sense, it's just how laws are sometimes interpreted or applied
10:12:31 <Halcyon> I'm OK, just woke up
10:13:06 <Halcyon> Probably go out and get a coffee and some breakfast shortly
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10:48:58 <coppice> Halcyon: some people's common sense tells them there is reincarnation
10:59:26 <orbii> why invent something that requires no invention to explain the world?
11:04:32 <Halcyon> *shrug*
11:04:45 <Halcyon> I guess some people need to believe in stories
11:05:51 <coppice> many traditional stories are based on a world of immortality, because they end "happy ever after"
11:06:57 * orbii cracks neck, left then right
11:08:29 <rust_collector> toilet water rotation, and now neck cracking
11:08:43 <Halcyon> Toilet water rotation?
11:09:24 <rust_collector> yeah, the flushing and spinning the other way down there
11:09:32 <rust_collector> the .............effect, lol
11:10:00 <rust_collector> do you also crack your neck left then right?
11:10:12 <Halcyon> I've never understood that, my toilet water doesn't "spin"
11:10:22 <Halcyon> It kind of just sloshes around
11:10:35 <rust_collector> you use a bucket?
11:10:58 <coppice> doesn't everyone?
11:11:16 <rust_collector> no, I can't afford a bucket
11:11:18 <Halcyon> When the water enters the bowl, it doesn't create a vortex
11:11:28 <Halcyon> It enters from all angles
11:11:50 <Halcyon> I guess it would be easier to see with food colouring?
11:12:14 <rust_collector> good for you then.. I find it is easier to see in the sink, or bathtub
11:17:11 <steve30> hi
11:18:06 <DHess_US> The coriolis effect isn't strong enough to spin draining water on any scale you can control except under laboratory conditions. So spinning toilet water just depends on how the bowl was designed.
11:19:39 <DHess_US> https://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/coriolis.html
11:20:58 <DHess_US> https://personal.ems.psu.edu/~fraser/Bad/BadCoriolis.html
11:37:39 <orbii> fucking simpsons.
11:42:18 * steve30 looks forward to having some food
11:45:00 <orbii> food is good.
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12:41:44 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
12:45:19 <steve30> hi Halcyon
12:45:25 <Halcyon> What's doing?
12:46:17 <steve30> food :)
12:46:21 <Halcyon> Nom
12:46:57 <steve30> Also my asterisk server won't let my extensions call each other :/
12:56:28 <Halcyon> Oh?
12:56:44 <Halcyon> What does it to?
12:56:45 <Halcyon> do
12:57:03 <steve30> just says they are busy and voicemails
12:57:08 <Halcyon> Strange
12:57:27 <Halcyon> Soft phones?
12:57:29 <Ampera> Halcyon, just curiously, are you in a union?
12:57:34 <Halcyon> Nope
12:57:42 <Ampera> was just wondering
12:57:46 <steve30> both soft and hard phones
12:57:51 <Ampera> in other news I have a dial tone
12:58:01 <Halcyon> We have a Police Association, but I'm not a member
12:58:10 <Halcyon> It costs about $100 a month and I just don't see the value
12:58:21 <Ampera> That's not a union.
12:58:54 <Halcyon> ?
12:59:16 <Ampera> eh
12:59:17 <Ampera> idk
12:59:30 <Halcyon> Assoications and Unions are the same thing
12:59:33 <Ampera> I didn't think unions had membership fees, the local IBEW doesn't seem to
12:59:37 <Ampera> but yeah that shouldn't disqualify it
12:59:40 <Halcyon> They may or may not
12:59:43 <Halcyon> Just depends
12:59:43 <Ampera> ehhh, I don't know what I'm talking about
13:00:02 <Halcyon> But yay! Dial tone!
13:00:23 <orbii> i dont think unions are as common in australia as some other places
13:00:42 <Halcyon> Nah they aren't.
13:00:43 <Ampera> Well, in terms of apprenticeships, I have to choose between union and non-union labor
13:00:54 <Ampera> lotsa complications and stuff
13:01:05 <Halcyon> Our union mainly deals with management not complying with our own policies, awards etc...
13:01:15 <Halcyon> Sometimes they negotiate stuff, but meh
13:01:27 <Halcyon> They also provide legal support for members
13:02:12 <Halcyon> Yeh I won't pretend to understand how it works in the US
13:28:30 * steve30 needs coffee
13:28:46 * Halcyon throws coffee beans at Steve
13:43:08 <orbii> mmm coffee
13:47:36 <orbii> "the art of racing in the rain" is depressing af
13:49:42 <Halcyon> Ill call you back Steve
13:49:52 <Halcyon> Just playing with the server
13:50:07 <steve30> :)
13:50:08 <Halcyon> Trying to get these softphones working
13:51:11 <orbii> softphones :/
13:51:32 <Halcyon> orbii: I need to be able to connect to my PBX via my Android phone
13:51:51 <Halcyon> Mainly for when I'm not home
13:52:02 <orbii> which means exposing your phone system to the internet
13:52:08 <Halcyon> VPN :)
13:52:11 <orbii> good
13:52:28 <Halcyon> Nothing is exposed to the internet and I only allow traffic on SIP ports from my ISP, everything else is blocked
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14:01:08 <steve30> I wish I could get a new version of RasPBX to run
14:07:26 <steve30> maybe i should get a newer pi
14:08:42 <Halcyon> Mmmm pi
14:27:09 <steve30> I just did a fresh install of RasPBX
14:28:02 <Halcyon> I'm only getting one-way audio on my mobile and I cant seem to dial out :(
14:28:14 <Halcyon> It's obviously a firewall thing, but I've allowed SIP ports and UDP ports
14:28:54 <steve30> I'm having the one way audio between Asterisk and the VOIP provider.
14:29:16 <orbii> you may need to ensure NAT settings are set properly
14:29:44 <Halcyon> I'm on my local network
14:29:51 <steve30> yeah, I have a dodgy NAT setup. Although my Snom phone manages it fine.
14:38:18 <Halcyon> I can't work out why my phone is trying to connect to my WAN address rather than the internal IP I set up for this server
14:38:26 <Halcyon> Nov 10 14:37:59 VLAN30_RESTRICTED 10.78.30.58:33597 203.129.25.161:5060 TCP:S
14:38:31 <Halcyon> What the hell
15:02:32 <steve30> I think I sussed out why my extensions couldnt call each other. Some codec incompatability. Fixed it now
15:02:38 <steve30> Now time for more coffee :)
15:20:01 * steve30 pets Halcyon
15:20:21 <Halcyon> :)
16:07:47 <steve30> Asterisk now plays Cuba Baion when 6626 is dialled :)
16:08:30 <Halcyon> lol
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16:10:59 <steve30> btw Halcyon, I booked a physiotherapy appointment for next Wednesday
16:11:30 <Halcyon> Oh yeh?
16:13:00 <steve30> Hopefully he might assist some more with my ankle
16:14:13 <Halcyon> Aw what did you do?
16:14:36 <steve30> Don't know. It just started playing up a few months ago.
16:17:56 <Halcyon> I created a logo for the background of my phones :)
16:18:19 <Halcyon> https://imgur.com/a/Ex91YII
16:19:31 <steve30> cool
16:37:06 <Halcyon> Ah worked it out
16:37:22 <Halcyon> I forgot to add my Wi-Fi segment as a "local" network in the SIP Settings
16:37:24 <Halcyon> Derp
16:40:31 <Halcyon> Hey steve30, you still around?
16:40:35 <steve30> yup
16:40:54 <Halcyon> Would you mind helping me test out some calls in a little bit? I'm just setting up ring groups
16:41:03 <steve30> sure
16:42:43 <Halcyon> Alright, could you give me a call. It *should* ring on both phones
16:42:53 <steve30> yup
16:46:30 <Halcyon> Hopefully that didn't just hang up on you
16:47:18 <steve30> That worked. Delay is about 1 second
16:47:27 <Halcyon> Gee, not bad, better than POTS
16:48:08 <Halcyon> orbii: Have you had much to do with pfSense and OpenVPN ?
16:48:23 <Halcyon> How much do calls cost you to here?
16:49:13 <Halcyon> Oh Steve, also, do you have a static IPv4 address?
16:50:09 <steve30> Its a dynamic address
16:50:39 <Halcyon> Ah bugger, I was going to say, I could set up and outbound route to your FreePBX server and route calls for free
16:51:00 <steve30> 2p per minute
16:51:13 <Halcyon> It would work with a dynamic IP, but I would prefer to lock down traffic to a specific IP address, rather than expose it to everyone
16:51:47 <steve30> Might be a bit too much hassle tbh as asterisk's trunking seems to dislike my NAT
16:52:49 <Halcyon> I manually forwarded ports, couldn't be bothered with NAT
16:53:20 <steve30> are you able to ring me yet?
16:53:29 <Halcyon> Standby...
16:54:50 <Halcyon> What's your number again?
16:54:58 <steve30> +441709299546
16:56:07 <Halcyon> Doesn't seem like it, I get differing results depending on the dialling rules
16:56:45 <Halcyon> I'm just wondering if 709 isn't on my providers list of "allowed" numbers. They block numbers to all but the most popular destinations to avoid abuse. I might have to log a ticket
16:57:21 <steve30> that's 1709
16:57:33 <Halcyon> Ah yes, so it is
16:57:34 <steve30> Its a bog standard english number.
16:57:38 <Halcyon> That's what I dialled
16:57:49 <Halcyon> Let me try one more thing
16:58:58 <Halcyon> Yeh that didn't work. I'm not sure.
17:00:33 <steve30> hmm, odd
17:01:08 <steve30> I couldn't call you the other day because my call limit was set to £0.00 for international calls. I had to get Sales to increase it.
17:13:11 <Halcyon> Ah
17:14:03 <Halcyon> Do you know what codecs you have set to use?
17:14:12 <Halcyon> I'm just fiddling with the order of preferred codecs
17:15:19 <steve30> g711 A Law
17:15:42 <Halcyon> Did you want to do a test using G722 ?
17:16:12 <steve30> I can try but it might not work
17:16:30 <Halcyon> You know how to change the codec priority on FreePBX?
17:17:27 <steve30> yes
17:17:40 <Halcyon> I'm ready whenever you are
17:18:23 <Halcyon> You end is really crackley
17:18:33 <steve30> You are garbled
17:18:36 <Halcyon> I could hear you but the audio was garbage
17:18:37 <Halcyon> Ahh
17:18:58 <Halcyon> Okies, were you using a hardware phone?
17:19:19 <steve30> Yes, but my SIP provider only supports G711 A law so anything else probably won't work.
17:19:30 <Halcyon> Ahhhh probably why
17:22:42 <Halcyon> Did you want to swap back to what you had it and give me another call, I'll leave my end the same
17:22:49 <Halcyon> It *should* auto-negotiate down
17:23:46 <Halcyon> Still the same
17:23:50 <Halcyon> Ill put it back to the way it was
17:24:02 <steve30> My phone was definitely using 711 A there
17:26:33 <Halcyon> None of my side supports G711 so its interesting to see how that works
17:26:57 <Halcyon> Obviously the conversion between them doesn't work so well on G726
17:27:32 <steve30> what were you using earlier when it did work?
17:27:52 <Halcyon> G722 I think
17:28:48 <Halcyon> I don't even have the option of G711a/u on FreePBX and I know my phone doesn't support it
17:29:14 <steve30> weird
17:29:20 <steve30> its not just listed as PCM is it?
17:29:56 <Halcyon> Unless "ulaw" and "alaw" really mean G711
17:30:08 <steve30> probably does
17:30:14 <Halcyon> *nod*
17:31:29 <Halcyon> I can also use G729
17:32:04 <steve30> Internally, I can use pretty much anything, but only 711 for external calls
17:33:13 <Halcyon> Did you want to test 729 ?
17:33:22 <steve30> I can try
17:36:45 <Halcyon> Much of a difference?
17:36:56 <steve30> Still about 1 sec
17:37:33 <Halcyon> OK cool
17:44:58 <Halcyon> Thanks for helping Steve :)
17:45:42 <steve30> :)
17:49:08 <steve30> I've just been able to do some g722 internal calls and the sound quality is better than 711
17:51:54 <Halcyon> Lovely
17:52:00 <steve30> I need to have a wander up to the shops in the cold soon
17:52:10 <Halcyon> Yeh 722 is MUCH nicer
17:52:30 <Halcyon> But there were issues transcoding between you and I
18:02:19 <steve30> You cost me £0.156998 today :)
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18:37:25 <Halcyon> I'll send you some coffee/chocolate to make up for it :)
18:42:02 <Halcyon> Actually steve30, how do you normally make your coffee at home? Do you have a plunger or machine?
18:42:13 <Halcyon> I'll send you some locally roasted coffee
19:09:07 <steve30> I use a plunger
19:09:24 <Halcyon> Do you have a grinder?
19:09:27 <Halcyon> (Not grindr)
19:10:30 <steve30> I have a hand operated one, and a machine which isn't really designed for coffee but kinda works.
19:10:52 <Halcyon> I'm thinking do I send you beans or pre-ground?
19:11:05 <steve30> pre ground would be better for me :)
19:11:11 <Halcyon> :)
19:11:16 * steve30 <3 coffee
20:45:50 <steve30> Halcyon, here are the recordings my ISP did earlier of the echo test
20:45:51 <steve30> http://stevecoates.net/stuff/echotest.ogg
20:46:04 <steve30> http://stevecoates.net/stuff/echotest2.ogg
20:46:07 <Halcyon> Oh nice :)
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21:29:07 <T3sl4> steve30: https://i.imgur.com/cLazfRe.gifv
21:29:57 <steve30> hehe
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