// #eevblog — 2019-11-11
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04:50:42 <DHess_US> https://legalinsurrection.com/2019/11/abc-insider-who-released-hot-mic-footage-of-jeffrey-epstein-story-releases-written-statement/
05:02:27 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js_B5-7jkag
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07:25:00 <rust_collector> zzz morning
07:26:45 <rust_collector> today was the official pre-christmas belly stretching day over here. Some times known as fathers day, but the end result is the same
07:39:09 <coppice> isn't belly stretching farters day?
07:39:49 <rust_collector> not sure about the spelling, I am just a driver
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11:01:32 * orbii looks about
11:06:15 <steve30> 0.0
11:45:54 <DHess_US> https://imgur.com/gallery/aWWXLXU
12:04:25 <steve30> I'm just reading about Andrews & Arnold's L2TP service.Sounds interesting.
12:08:05 * orbii hopes they're laying some encryption on that
12:08:40 <orbii> "Important - this is NOT an encrypted L2TP or L2TP over IPsec, it is simple L2TPv2 over UDP" .. i guess not. fuck that.
12:26:20 <DHess_US> L2TP doesn't provide encryption by itself.
12:27:58 <coppice> what does "NOT an encrypted L2TP" mean? L2TP is never encrypted
12:29:22 <DHess_US> In theory you could apply IPSEC to L2TP because IPSEC will happily encrypt all IP between two systems.
12:29:47 <DHess_US> I'm not sure why anybody would ever offer L2TP though.
12:29:48 <coppice> if you use IPSEC you wouldn't need L2TP
12:30:01 <DHess_US> No, IPSEC by itself isn't a tunneling protocol.
12:30:17 <DHess_US> IPSEC just apply encryption to IP.
12:30:39 <coppice> IPSEC encapsulates and encrypts. L2TP simple encapsulates
12:31:48 <DHess_US> Yes, but L2TP is a tunneling protocol and IPSEC is not.
12:32:53 <DHess_US> Oh, nevermind. IPSEC supports tunneling somehow.
12:33:05 <DHess_US> I've used it that way but it was a long time ago.
12:33:28 <DHess_US> I wonder if they don't do encryption because of UK requirements.
12:33:34 <coppice> IPSEC is widely used to tunnel between corporate sites across the open in internet
12:37:49 <coppice> Its a while since I touched IPSEC, but there's a mode where it just adds encryption and authentication, and there is a mode where it adds an extra IP header for tunneling
12:38:38 <coppice> s/adds an extra/also adds an extra
12:57:05 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RT @RebelbotJen: So I got to see the infamous physical crypto currency in person.... At a dance show no less. Just talking about the manuf…
13:03:31 <steve30> I should make some coffee
13:04:09 <orbii> DHess_US: seems odd to me anyone would offer l2tp tunnels in 2019
13:04:31 <orbii> that it's UDP only makes me wonder if they're on mikrotik or something
13:06:07 <DHess_US> Lots of old routers support L2TP.
13:06:18 <DHess_US> I mean lots of old VPN routers.
13:06:42 <DHess_US> It has the advantage over IPSEC of being NAT friendly which is something they seem to be catering to.
13:07:19 <DHess_US> They are selling their service to people behind NAT who want a routable IP. I used StrongVPN for that about 10 years ago.
13:07:34 <DHess_US> When I did it, I used OpenVPN which is also NAT friendly.
13:07:51 <orbii> s/people behind NAT/people behind NAT with no concept of the security implications, who also/
13:08:11 <DHess_US> VPN services back then just gave you an IP but now you have to pay extra because IPs are in short supply.
13:08:40 <DHess_US> orbii, no, people behind NAT who want to run servers which require incoming connections.
13:08:55 <orbii> if they offered security, they'd need decent CPU. given it's a paid-for service, you'd think they would. it's 2019.
13:08:59 <DHess_US> Like if you wanted to run HTTP, HTTPS, SMTP, POP3, etc. at home or on your mobile.
13:09:23 <DHess_US> Eh, the CPU demands for encryption are insignificant these days.
13:09:28 <orbii> then why dont they do it?
13:09:30 <DHess_US> 20 years ago the encryption was a problem.
13:09:33 <orbii> cos i honestly cant see a reason
13:09:43 <DHess_US> Why don't they do what? Offer L2TP with encryption?
13:10:07 <orbii> something with encryption, yes.
13:10:08 <DHess_US> L2TP doesn't *have* encryption. It never did.
13:10:24 <orbii> yes, that was my original point - when i wrote it - an hour or more ago
13:10:49 <DHess_US> Well, either for people who have old hardware or software which supports L2TP or maybe because they are in the UK which has significant restrictions on encryption.
13:10:55 <orbii> that you'd be offering l2tp tunnels in 2019 - something that offers no security - seems absurd to me
13:11:17 <DHess_US> They aren't intended it for people who want security on wifi hotspots.
13:11:29 <orbii> ...
13:11:41 <orbii> you seem to be completely ignoring the fundamental problem
13:11:44 <orbii> so i'm just going to move on
13:12:02 <DHess_US> Incidentally, this system is running over Cryptostorm to Atlanta, Georgia.
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13:12:33 <DHess_US> There is no problem. If your traffic is only between wired systems, then it is mostly safe except from state actors and ISPs doing traffic monitoring.
13:12:47 <DHess_US> But that is true of *all* general traffic on the internet.
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14:57:59 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Sydney declaring an official state emergency as a *precaution* for tomorrow? Unprecedented? Yes, our fire warning signs do actually look like this: https://t.co/TSXWXrUU78 https://t.co/tmbsNXD4MO
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20:08:17 <Halcyon> Evening all
20:36:15 <steve30> hi Halcyon
20:36:25 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
20:36:45 <steve30> I just popped out to the butchers for a steak and kidney pie
20:36:48 <steve30> :p
20:36:51 <Halcyon> Mmm pie
20:37:05 <Halcyon> I'm working from home tomorrow amid the fire weather
20:37:21 <steve30> hmm
20:37:26 <Halcyon> https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-and-qld-bushfires-worst-may-still-be-yet-to-come-with-catastrophic-conditions-forecast/live-coverage/b2f437e903ac5ba6764e1a387018d8fe
20:37:35 <steve30> We've had flooding here. Plenty of water if you want some to put the fires out.
20:37:45 <Halcyon> Heh I should be fine where I am
20:38:14 <steve30> I'm at the top of a hill, so I'm OK, but the subway under the main road got flooded
20:38:48 <Halcyon> That doesn't sound ideal
20:39:04 <steve30> It always does in heavy rain
20:44:36 <Halcyon> I'm going to have an early night I think, I'm tired
20:44:52 * steve30 pets Halcyon :)
20:49:01 <Halcyon> https://www.domain.com.au/news/why-so-many-sockets-2-42-million-uk-home-comes-with-hundreds-of-power-points-903888/?utm_campaign=strap-masthead&utm_source=smh&utm_medium=link&utm_content=pos5&ref=pos1
20:49:03 <Halcyon> Hmm
20:49:21 <Halcyon> I wonder if that's Photonic Induction's house
20:56:27 * Halcyon licks T3sl4
20:56:35 <Halcyon> I might stay up for a while, kind of not tired now
20:57:17 <steve30> hehe. Could have been someone's office or entertainment area.
20:57:34 <steve30> Halcyon, do you have IPv6?
20:57:41 <Halcyon> Steve, but ALL the rooms?
20:57:53 <Halcyon> I do but I'm not using it at the moment
20:59:10 <steve30> The previous owner probably had a lot of electrical stuff.
21:00:01 <steve30> Halcyon, http://stevecoates.net/stuff/telephones.JPG
21:00:19 <Halcyon> Hah nice
21:00:36 <steve30> I do like the display on that Cisco. But that's about the only thing good about it.
21:00:47 <Halcyon> Yeh I remember those phones
21:01:11 * T3sl4 pets Halcyon
21:01:25 <Halcyon> Do they all ring at the same time?
21:03:39 <steve30> No. The Cisco is on the asterisk PBX. The Snom is on both the PBX and the SIP provider. The Post Office 746 is on the PSTN.
21:10:51 <orbii> mmm 7941s .. boy i've thrown a lot of those out over the years
21:12:30 <Halcyon> I might go lay down, watch a bit of Big Clive
21:12:31 <Halcyon> Night all
21:42:28 <steve30> What should I do with those 18 customisable buttons? :p
21:43:06 <rust_collector> push them
21:43:18 <rust_collector> press?
22:13:09 <K> hello
22:13:35 <rust_collector> hey K
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