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46:10 <ulzef> Geelong is alright
48:18 <ulzef> and mekkis i said if i did kick start it i would have to visit
09:51 <Avatar> I didn't realise tomorrow was saturday, eyes 2 day
09:58 <Avatar> I feel underprepared
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15:53 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sun Feb 22 23:01:30 2015
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19:47 <ulzef> but mekkis if i kick started that i would need to leave victoria and possibly visit youy
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24:12 <Brunius> just stay up all night prepping
24:14 <Brunius> it'll be k
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33:11 <Avatar> look I felt reasonably prepared before we started part 1
33:18 <Avatar> then I found out we were wrong
33:43 <Avatar> I don't feel great about jumping into a tough scenario at the best of times
39:24 <Avatar> forget that!
40:20 <Avatar> what's geelong like? I could be convinced to move to geelong
54:49 <Tashes> !throw 9x2d10
54:53 <Tashes> or dont
55:13 <Tashes> !throw 2d10 x9
55:14 <diebot> Tashes, x9: [2d10=3,7] 10
00:29 <Steven> suuuuuup
06:34 <Avatar> steven
06:38 <Avatar> give me some good prep items
06:45 <Avatar> for a gunslinger, if ye be needin' to know
07:03 <Avatar> but just general precautionary stuff for any class really
13:43 <Brunius> millions of scrolls
16:54 <Avatar> really
16:59 <Avatar> how about some armor and a weapon 
17:05 <Avatar> and maybe some wondrous items
17:12 <Avatar> a ring or two, maybe a rod
17:17 <Avatar> then I'll be set
17:19 <Avatar> thanks for your help
19:33 <Avatar> that is a trap
19:40 <Avatar> he wants you to visit anyway
19:45 <Avatar> and he wants you to kickstart it
20:02 <Avatar> so he's framed it as though it's a reward
20:11 <Avatar> clever girl
30:07 <Brunius> np
32:39 <Avatar> mate don't talk to me about volunteering for gencon unless you are offering to pay a big bad expensive flight
33:03 <Avatar> s_g: wires crossed
37:10 <Mekkis> ulzef, really?! Awesome.
53:51 <Tashes> Avatar, how do i make diebot do what i want
54:39 <Brunius> Should I join the student union?
54:41 <Avatar> diebot doesn't do what anyone wants
55:03 <Avatar> what is 9x2d10
55:08 <Avatar> just do 11d10
55:21 <Brunius> !throw 9#2d10
55:22 <diebot> Brunius, 9#2d10: [2d10=9,5] 14, [2d10=1,5] 6, [2d10=9,8] 17, [2d10=3,10] 13, [2d10=3,5] 8, [2d10=7,7] 14, [2d10=7,5] 12, [2d10=4,9] 13, [2d10=5,1] 6
21:27 <Tashes> thanks Brunius !
21:35 <Tashes> its stats for Drunk Psykers
26:39 <Tashes> !throw 9#2d10
26:39 <diebot> Tashes, 9#2d10: [2d10=6,2] 8, [2d10=6,4] 10, [2d10=1,5] 6, [2d10=5,4] 9, [2d10=10,6] 16, [2d10=4,2] 6, [2d10=7,3] 10, [2d10=9,7] 16, [2d10=9,3] 12
39:47 <steven> suuuuuup im back.
41:37 <steven> alright avatar... Let me go out and buy a lotto ticket... I win you're comin to gencon with me.
41:37 <Avatar> stats for what
41:44 <Avatar> steven: done
41:53 <steven> brb 20.
46:17 <s_gmusic> avatar, it's not for a PFS game.
48:48 <Avatar> nevertheless
55:20 <Steven> brunius you sure are helpful
56:01 <steven> 5-12-22-28-47 PB 31
56:13 <steven> those are the numbers!
56:22 <steven> gonna take avatar to gencon.
56:57 <Mekkis> Avatar, of course I want ulzef to kickstart it
57:41 <Steven> Roast beef hash....
57:47 <Steven> was delicious
58:50 <Steven> 9k to spend.
59:13 <Steven> think i might get a belt of con and a headband of... wis i guess.
01:21 <Mekkis> sha1 hash. Delicious
02:02 <steven> so what up peeps.
02:34 <steven> ah... i love finding a paizo thread thats filled with stupid
02:54 <steven> that has been started by one of my local players.
03:33 <Mekkis> When hashtags go down:
03:44 <Mekkis> Susan wanted to show off her photos at a party.
04:04 <Mekkis> She therefore hashtagged it #susanalbumparty
04:53 <Steven> thats why i dont hashtag
05:46 <Steven> i retrained selective channeling to Skill focus Kn Arcana
05:59 <Steven> on my core cleric.
06:18 <Steven> +14 kn Arcana.
06:23 <Steven> so awesome.
06:51 <Avatar> eyes part 2 completed yo
07:22 <s_gmusic> poor steven.
07:22 <Avatar> that puts Buck at level 13
07:40 <s_gmusic> go full creeper and post "I know who you are." and see what happens
08:05 <steven> it doesnt really work.  They know who I am on the boards.
09:04 <s_gmusic> crud
09:32 <steven> yeah...
09:33 <Steven> 5 more games and i get my first loremaster level.
09:41 <Tashes> smurf account
10:56 <Steven> level 11 gonna get to speak druidic... such a powerful ability.
16:21 <steven> this whole time... my names not actually steven!
16:51 <Avatar> sure huffstutler
16:55 <Mekkis> I highly doubt that
21:28 <steven> It is frowned upon to smurf account on paizo forums.
32:32 <Avatar> which one is it this time steven
32:47 <Avatar> I thought the paizo forums were quite dull today
33:00 <steven> its not in the PFS forums.
33:07 <Avatar> there was one guy crying about trying to invalidate core campaign with wizard/magus chronicles
33:08 <Avatar> is that the one
33:28 <steven> no
33:46 <Avatar> well which one
33:49 <steven> its in the regular pathfinder RPG forums, not pfs or anything.
34:00 <steven> im looking for it
34:10 <steven> I didnt favorite it because it was full of dumb.
34:30 <Avatar> well what was it about
34:54 <Avatar> give us the executive summary, 25 words or less
35:46 <Avatar> didn't end up buying that decoy ring, and I'm pretty sure there was at least one instance where it would have helped
35:48 <steven> This is everything wrong with pathfinder!  I do not have any solutions, I just want to bitch!
36:13 <Avatar> "What I hate most about Pathfinder" ?
21:43 <steven> time to check for interesting threads on teh paizo forum
23:51 <steven> back
47:16 <steven> hmmm what metamagic to pick up...
53:30 <Avatar> how
53:36 <Avatar> that's basically cheating
12:49 <Steven> sup
12:56 <Steven> I played Eyes p3 today.
13:26 <Steven> ...
13:28 <Steven> i didnt really.
13:33 <Steven> I just helped with some combats.
17:43 <Mekkis> you mean a large stash of scrolls isn't alone sufficient for Eot10 1?
30:09 <Mekkis> Avatar, read your post. I need to ask...
30:45 <Mekkis> over the past two months, has your scenario buying gone down?
37:03 <Steven> mine has stayed constant.
37:32 <Mekkis> I can imagine
20:11 <steven> hey hey
54:39 <Mekkis> Shout out for my FLGS: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/145813274/the-loaded-dice-where-everybody-knows-your-game/description
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55:29 <Avatar> I need to be able to reload man
55:34 <Avatar> lol
55:42 <Avatar> what good is one shot going to do me
55:58 <Avatar> and I don't have room for a +4 weapon enchant when I have holy and seeking already on it
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56:19 <Steven> yeah, thats why i keep out of melee
56:30 <Steven> alright!
56:59 <Steven> Captain Apeshit you'll be happy to know i now believe the chances of you being a troll is down to 22%
57:36 <Steven> (thats my default setting)
59:15 <Steven> on the ring, its just withdrawing+invis, and at 12+ tier the things that are large sized or bigger
59:59 <Steven> that will scoot right up next to your character(usually because they are intelligent), more often then not are things that already have truesight/see invis.
00:21 <Steven> it becomes a really common 'buff' that mooks have.
01:05 <Steven> is it always the case? no, but it is a decent assumption to make.
01:22 <Mekkis> you're a full BAB class: just melee the suckers
02:16 <Avatar> with my gun
02:21 <Mekkis> sure
02:39 <Avatar> maybe I should pick up that feat that lets you melee with an improvised weapon without penalty
02:54 <Mekkis> you can already whack them, right?
02:54 <Avatar> that actually doesn't sound outrageous at all to me?
03:08 <Avatar> at -4
03:15 <Avatar> that defeats the purpose of full BAB class if I try that
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05:00 <Mekkis> Pistol-Whip (Ex): At 3rd level, the gunslinger can make a surprise melee attack with the butt or handle of her firearm as a standard action. When she does, she is considered to be proficient with the firearm as a melee weapon and gains a bonus on the attack and damage rolls equal to the enhancement bonus of the firearm. The damage dealt by the pistol-whip is of the bludgeoning type, and is determined by the size of the firearm. One-handed firearms deal 
05:00 <Mekkis> 1d6 points of damage (1d4 if wielded by Small creatures) and two-handed firearms deal 1d10 points of damage (1d8 if wielded by Small creatures). Regardless of the gunslinger’s size, the critical multiplier of this attack is 20/×2. If the attack hits, the gunslinger can make a combat maneuver check to knock the target prone as a free action. Performing this deed costs 1 grit point.
05:25 <Avatar> that burns grit, and it's only a single attack
05:59 <Steven|M> pick up some gloves of storing and a +1 agile rapier?
06:51 <Steven|M> you're not going to go apeshit... heh... but you'll at least not be worthless.
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10:49 <Avatar> I should probably switch the deity I'm worshipping, besmara is terrible
11:03 <Steven> you shut your whore mouth!
11:14 <Avatar> she provides no benefits at all
11:21 <Avatar> to anyone as far as I can tell
11:25 * Steven pulls out a trout
11:32 <Avatar> prove me wrong
11:36 * Mekkis crates Avatar
11:49 <Steven> good job mekkis.
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17:49 <Avatar> that's not proof, that's frustration
18:02 <Avatar> look I like the idea too
18:12 <Mekkis> ask any cleric of besmara what besmara does for them
18:16 <Avatar> but I don't want to be sold on a good sales pitch alone
18:30 <Avatar> is besmara better for clerics
18:38 <Avatar> is there a domain spell or something that they get
18:56 <Avatar> I am just looking for one benefit that anyone gets from her
19:02 <Avatar> not a sales pitch
19:18 <Mekkis> they get all their powers
19:52 <Avatar> they get that anyway from any deity
20:03 <Avatar> they get nothing different
20:31 <Mekkis> Avatar, such a munchkin
20:35 <Avatar> let's say you and I were deities, and we gave each of our followers $50
20:36 <Steven> that can be said about EVERY diety.
21:04 <Avatar> but you gave your followers $50, a big screen TV, a hot shit computer and a bunch of other goodies I can't think of
21:11 <Avatar> but I gave a different sales pitch to you
21:18 <Avatar> anyone following you is the smarter follower
21:42 <Mekkis> Avatar, do you tell Christians that? 
21:43 <Avatar> basically my religion, whatever I sell it as, is that I recruit people who are gullible
21:55 <Avatar> christians don't get magic powers man
22:00 <Mekkis> "Worshipping your god gives you nothing, except that it wastes your Sunday mornings."
22:11 <Avatar> if you want to sell it as that, every realistic religion is the same as besmara's
22:18 <Avatar> I'm talking golarion faith
23:06 <Avatar> in fact I think I will change deities today if it doesn't hurt my inquisitorship
24:05 <Mekkis> Avatar, by your argument, worshipping Christianity is the same as worshipping any other deity. You get the same outcome
24:08 <Avatar> looks like it needs an atonement
24:26 <Avatar> look let's leave christianity out of it, because that's not the same thing
24:34 <Mekkis> it is.
24:37 <Avatar> I am talking about religions that give class features of some sort
24:42 <Avatar> christianity doesn't do that
25:13 <Avatar> I know your first instinct is to argue that it somehow does, but that's not what this is about
25:31 <Mekkis> it gives you exactly the same amount of magical power as Islam, Buddhism, Judaism and Hinduism
25:52 <Avatar> don't reframe the discussion as being similar to real life religion
26:01 <Avatar> I'm only talking pathfinder
26:03 <Steven> although... some buddhists say they can levitate with meditation.
26:04 <Mekkis> that's what you're saying
26:12 <Avatar> I'm not saying that at all
26:31 <Mekkis> "I don't like Besmara because she gives me exactly the same amount of magical power as everyone else"
26:33 <Avatar> we can argue the similarities but that's not the point
26:47 <Avatar> like the $50 example
27:00 <Avatar> $50 is the sales pitch
27:09 <Avatar> or the cleric's powers that every cleric gets
27:18 <Avatar> I want to know what else besmara gives away
27:21 <Avatar> or is it just $50?
27:24 <Steven> avatar, if you could pick a different diety which would it be?
27:32 <Avatar> I dunno, desna
27:39 <Steven> why desna?
27:56 <Avatar> you mentioned the rapier and I'm thinking access to butterfly sting
28:09 <Mekkis> don't do it
28:28 <Avatar> I don't care if that's not the option, as long as there is some other option
28:35 <Avatar> for which besmara has none
28:37 <Steven> i dont really think its worth the retraining costs.
28:56 <Avatar> fair enough, so what else should I do
29:07 <Avatar> I'll upload my char sheet if it's not the latest, hang on
29:12 <Mekkis> stick with Besmara
29:18 <Mekkis> Or.. 
29:22 <Mekkis> Turn to Asmodeus
29:26 <Avatar> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=308
29:31 <Avatar> it kind of is the latest, bar one scenario
30:09 <Avatar> skip over the scenario notes I wrote and didn't erase on that sheet
31:01 <Mekkis> wow
31:19 <Mekkis> Buck must look pretty weird these days.
31:28 <Avatar> what are you talking about
31:32 <Avatar> he has an eye patch
31:42 <Mekkis> covered by a mantis mask
31:53 <Avatar> yeah
32:01 <Avatar> look at least it's not a jingasa
32:33 <Mekkis> I have no problem with mantis masks, but are you dressing the part?
32:33 <Avatar> I've never had to use that bracelet of second chances to date
32:43 <Avatar> I'm doing the best I can
33:00 <Mekkis> dressing as a red mantis?
33:22 <Mekkis> shit man, you ARE worshipping the wrong god
33:39 <Avatar> it's just one of their masks man
33:43 <Avatar> I am not donning their whole outfit
33:48 <Mekkis> why not?
33:53 <Avatar> I have an eyepatch
34:03 <Mekkis> sure, but noone can see that
34:11 <Avatar> it's on the outside of the mask ok
34:43 <Mekkis> have you seen what the mask looks like?
35:10 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/image/content/CrimsonThrone/PZO9009-RedMantis.jpg
35:20 <Avatar> yeah that's fine
35:26 <Mekkis> where are you putting the eyepatch?
35:35 <Avatar> OVER THE EYE
36:00 <Avatar> Buck uses his right eye to aim his musket
36:03 <Mekkis> that would look really dumb.
36:12 <Mekkis> What's covering Buck's torso?
36:15 <Avatar> then it's under the mask
36:22 <Avatar> I don't care, he's wearing it, and that's all Besmara would care about
36:40 <Avatar> unfettered shirt
36:54 <Mekkis> isn't the shirt worn under the armour?
37:00 <Avatar> yeah
37:10 <Avatar> he's wearing armor as well
37:20 <Mekkis> what's the armour?
37:29 <Avatar> elven chain
37:37 <Mekkis> is that the outermost layer?
38:32 <Avatar> yeah
38:37 <Avatar> does that matter
38:38 <Mekkis> yes
38:41 <Avatar> no
39:18 <Steven> alright.
39:29 <Steven> avatar... did you buy a cloak of resistance?
39:39 <Avatar> no I have no interest in a cloak of resistance
39:51 <Avatar> I might find one and use that, but I have a cape of the mountebank
40:07 <Avatar> oh wait, no I don't
40:25 <Steven> buy a ddoor cloak not the ring.
40:28 <Avatar> the same thing still applies
40:43 <Avatar> I don't actually have a ddoor item?
40:54 <Avatar> should I keep picking up cloaks of resist or get a proper cloak?
41:17 <Avatar> it's so easy to pick up cloaks of resistance because almost everyone has either that or some other cloak, so I get first dibs constantly
41:42 <Steven> ddoor cloak>cloak of resistance for getting away from things.
41:49 <Avatar> obv
42:06 <Steven> ddoor cloak>decoy ring for getting away from things.
42:16 <Avatar> ddor cloak is 1/day
42:23 <Steven> then get the upgraded version.
42:26 <Avatar> so once you use it once, decoy ring>ddoor cloak
42:28 <Steven> that lets you do it 3/day
42:32 <Avatar> how much does that cost
42:39 <Avatar> I didn't even know there was a greater
42:54 <Avatar> in fact I am not sure there is one
43:01 <Steven> there is one.
43:11 <Avatar> charlatan's cape, 45000gp
43:17 <Avatar> mate I have a lot of money but I don't have that much
43:31 <Steven> so save up.
43:38 <Avatar> I don't think my fame even lets me buy something that expensive
43:44 <Avatar> realistic suggestions only, please!
44:01 <Steven> if you've gotten 4prestige per level you can afford that item.
44:25 <Mekkis> here's what a mantis mask looks like, when worn with Elven chain:
44:37 <Avatar> you need 49 fame for it
44:39 <Avatar> I have 44
44:53 <Avatar> Mekkis: I don't care
44:54 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/mantis_elvenchain.png
45:08 <Avatar> Buck doesn't have a female torso
45:22 <Mekkis> sure, but it looks similar to that
45:31 <Avatar> Buck does not look similiar to a female in any way
45:36 <Avatar> not even with elven chain
45:47 <Avatar> Buck is a very masculine looking man
45:53 <Steven> how did you miss out on so much prestige... my 12th level characters have always had ~60 prestige.
45:55 <Avatar> if you don't see that, you have the wrong mental image 
46:23 <Mekkis> I'm more pointing out the clash of styles here
46:43 <Steven> damn man... thats a lot of missing prestige.
46:53 <Avatar> I might have to recheck the prestige now that I look at it
47:00 <Avatar> the earlier scenarios didn't have prestige recorded on my sheet
47:15 <Avatar> it's a mask that doesn't belong to the rest of the outfit
47:21 <Avatar> that's normal with any wondrous item that looks like that
47:36 <Avatar> it's a *mask*
47:51 <Avatar> I'm not going to a dinner party
49:01 <Steven> Alright...
49:27 <Steven> sell your boots of springing and striding, since you're only using half of what the item actually gives you.
49:39 <Steven> buy boots of the lightning leaper
50:43 <Avatar> 1/day
50:52 <Steven> or boots of escape
51:16 <Steven> yeah its only once per day... lots of 'get me the fuck out of melee' items are.
52:22 <Steven> the Ring of decoy at 12th level is lackluster in the extreme because you're in the tier where a great many of the creatures you're running into that are challenging are all about truesight/seeinvis
54:32 <Steven> there is a very specific combo you do with a ring of decoy that makes it a good item.  You did not do it, so its a meh item.
57:55 <Mekkis> Avatar, can't you just cast Litany of Sloth, and walk out?
59:11 <Steven> he is concerned about multiple creatures in melee with him.
59:29 <Mekkis> he should be more concerned about his image problem
59:52 <Steven> more or less then all the people walking around with a tien helmet on their head?
00:16 <Mekkis> I'd say a little more, but the tien helmet would still be an issue
00:36 <Avatar> what do you guys think about swift actions and AoOs
00:39 <Avatar> do they provoke
00:43 <Mekkis> sometimes
01:02 <Mekkis> there's no blanket statement saying they don't
01:02 <Steven> generally swift actions do not provoke.
01:22 <Steven> but I can think of 3 swift actions that provoke because they specifically say they do.
02:22 <Steven> casting a spell as a swift action does not provoke.
02:57 <Avatar> that's what I think
03:04 <Avatar> they don't provoke unless there is text specifically saying they do
03:16 <Mekkis> Steven, where does it say that? I know casting a quickened spell doesn't provoke...
03:30 <Steven> Magic section of the core rule book?
03:37 <Avatar> really?
03:48 <Avatar> I thought the closest blanket statement was in Types of Actions
03:52 <Avatar> in the combat chapter
04:11 <Avatar> yeah you're right
04:42 <Avatar> see, it specifically says it there that it doesn't provoke because casting a spell usually provokes
04:46 <Avatar> not because swift actions usually provoke
04:56 <Avatar> for some reason they don't say it outright
05:59 <Mekkis> For example, retrieving an item from a spring-loaded wrist sheath provokes
07:17 <Avatar> no it doesn't?
07:25 <Mekkis> what?
07:25 <Avatar> putting an item back in does
07:29 <Mekkis> of course it does
07:49 <Avatar> from a wrist sheathe it does because it's a move action
08:15 <Mekkis> no, from a wrist sheath it does because it's a "retrieve an item" action
08:44 <Mekkis> a spring-loaded one makes the "retrieve an item" action a swift action, so it still provokes
08:46 <Avatar> but it's a swift action, not a move action 
08:55 <Avatar> retrieve an item provokes because it's a move action
09:52 <Mekkis> not all move actions provoke
10:06 <Avatar> that one does though
10:18 <Mekkis> that's because it's a "retrieve an item" action
10:26 <Avatar> changing it to a swift action changes whether it provokes 
10:38 <Avatar> because swift actions don't provoke unless it specifically says it does
10:45 <Mekkis> Citation?
10:53 <Avatar> every mention of swift actions
11:12 <Avatar> there's no blanket statement, I can't say it with 100% certainty
11:22 <Avatar> but that seems to me that it's the intent
11:24 <Mekkis> Nowhere does it say that swift actions don't provoke
11:37 <Avatar> but every time it does provoke, it specifically says so
12:01 <Avatar> anyway this is a table variance argument
12:09 <Avatar> neither of us can be certain we're right
12:12 <Mekkis>   Wrist Sheath, Spring Loaded: This item
12:12 <Mekkis> works like a standard wrist sheath
12:39 <Mekkis> Yay. A broken item, that people keep arguing should be more broken!
12:46 <Avatar> I actually already have litany of sloth on my spell list
12:52 <Mekkis> I know
13:36 <Avatar> I really don't want to argue about the SLWS, but it's that kind of variance that makes me say no to playing at your table
13:49 <Mekkis> also, the wrist sheath specifically says "Provoking attacks of opportunity as normal"
14:04 <Avatar> because of the move action on that item
14:18 <Avatar> it "works like a standard wrist sheath" in terms of its description
14:26 <Avatar> the action changes, so the AoO does as well
14:33 <Mekkis> it would keep the "provoking attacks of opportunity as normal"
14:36 <Avatar> neither mention it so we can't be 100% sure
14:44 <Avatar> we are both technically as right as we can be about it
14:45 <Mekkis> the action isn't changing: just the time it takes to perform the action
15:08 <Avatar> right, that's the same thing in my terminology
15:15 <Avatar> the time it takes changes
15:22 <Avatar> so does the AoO that accommodates the time it takes
16:20 <Steven> back.
16:32 <Steven> oh god... you're still going on about that.
17:05 <Steven> i think JJacob had a post about it.
17:21 <Steven> yeah i know... not a rules guy... blah blah.
17:54 <Steven> it gives an idea about intent of the item though.
18:02 <Steven> let me go find the post.
19:25 <Steven> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l7ns&page=469?Ask-James-Jacobs-ALL-your-Questions-Here#23415
21:40 <Steven> alrighty... i am going to the store, hopefully you're all finished with this topic when im back.
27:28 <Avatar> thank you steven
00:33 <Avatar> apparently it's going to be 32 degrees today, but it's gone from 18 degrees to 21 degrees since midnight (and it's now 11am)
00:42 <Avatar> we have the room booked until 8pm
00:49 <Avatar> so basically it will probably be steaming hot at the end of our game
04:58 <steven> damn it... i was promised another 3 hours of sleep without inturruptions
05:02 <steven> promise broken
08:11 <s_gmusic> steven, have you played the pathfinder card game?
09:39 <steven> yeah brb 20 i have to run to the store.
16:32 <Steven> loremaster at level 4 gets to pick any language to know.
20:52 <s_gmusic> np. interested in your thoughts on it. played a game the other day and picked up the Wizard deck.
35:00 <s_gmusic> even the secret ones?
36:01 <steven> my opinion is that i'd rather just play a pfs game.
59:00 <s_gmusic> heh
59:35 <s_gmusic> I liked what I played. it seems nice to do something pathfinder-ish when there's no time to run a full scenario
14:37 <s_gmusic> how's 28AC at level 8 for a front-line melee?
23:30 <steven> didnt we go over this just the other day?
27:39 <s_gmusic> I remember asking about it, same as Step Up and Strike, but don't remember anything coming of it. let me check my logs
28:39 <s_gmusic> found it. 
28:51 <s_gmusic> I need to go back to bed. shouldn't have forgot that.
42:48 <steven> back
43:04 <steven> i had to get the mail.
44:19 <s_gmusic> np.
45:01 <s_gmusic> found the thing where we said my ac was adequate
45:40 <s_gmusic> (and you suggested I get a ring of protection to bump it up to 30)
49:00 <steven> cool
49:28 <steven> if you've the cash to spare, you might consider grabbing celestial armor...  fly 1/day is pretty useful.
50:26 <s_gmusic> perhaps.
51:17 <Steven> there is no stipulation.
52:32 <Steven> Bonus Languages: A loremaster can 
52:32 <Steven> learn any new language at 4th and 8th 
52:32 <Steven> level
54:43 <s_gmusic> convenient
56:43 <Steven> no its realy not... loremaster is a pretty bland prestige class.
57:20 <Steven> If it wasnt core it is probably one of the worst prestige classes.
58:02 <Steven> wish they would come out with some vanities for core... something to spend my prestige on.
18:20 <steven> sounds pretty crazy mekkis.
51:21 <Avatar> I wouldn't walk into eyes with a large stash of scrolls thinking "I should be fine now"
27:35 <Steven> man... today sure is a lazy day.
28:16 <Steven> !throw 2d8
28:17 <diebot> Steven, 2d8: [2d8=7,6] 13
28:46 <Steven> !throw 2d8
28:47 <diebot> Steven, 2d8: [2d8=5,7] 12
33:13 <s_gmusic> wait... Core doesn't allow the Pathfinder Society Primer? Seems like, out of all the "extras" Paizo's printed, that would be one thing to get it.
33:15 <Mekkis> !feat spell mastery
33:18 <diebot> Mekkis, SPELL MASTERY []Prereq:  1st-level wizard  You have mastered a small handful of spells, and can prepare these spells without referencing your spellbooks at all.
33:18 <diebot> Benefit:  Each time you take this feat, choose a number of spells that you already know equal to your Intelligence modifier. From that point on, you can prepare these spells without referring to a spellbook.
33:18 <diebot> Normal:  Without this feat, you must use a spellbook to prepare all your spells, except read magic. Source: Core
35:15 <Mekkis> what's the feat that lets you spontaneously cast other spells, for clerics?
35:22 <Mekkis> !findchar cairo
35:34 <diebot> Mekkis, Character: cairo.
35:38 <Steven> prepared spontinatiy or something?
35:44 <Mekkis> !findchar Cairo
35:45 <diebot> Mekkis, Character: Cairo. number: 270( http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=270 )
38:42 <Mekkis> !feat divine sponteneouty
38:43 <diebot> Mekkis, DIVINE INTERFERENCE []Prereq:  Divine spellcaster, caster level 10th.  You can convert a spell to interfere with an enemy's attack. 
38:43 <diebot> Benefit:  As an immediate action, when an enemy within 30 feet hits an ally with an attack, you can sacrifice a prepared divine spell or (if you are a spontaneous caster) an unused spell slot and make the enemy reroll the attack roll. The second attack roll takes a penalty equal to the level of the spell you sacrifice. You must sacrifice a spell
38:43 <diebot> of 1st-level or higher to use this ability. Whether or not the second attack is successful, you cannot use this effect on the same creature again for 1 day. Source: UM
39:03 <Avatar> not bad
39:14 <Avatar> wait what are you looking up cairo for
39:31 <Avatar> is my sheet current there?
39:32 <Mekkis> I thought Cairo was able to spontaneously cast Breath of Life
39:41 <Mekkis> How did he manage it
39:43 <Avatar> preferred spell
39:49 <Mekkis> !feat preferred spell
39:50 <diebot> Mekkis, PREFERRED SPELL []Prereq:  Spellcraft 5 ranks, Heighten Spell.  You find it very easy to cast one particular spell.
39:50 <diebot> Benefit:  Choose one spell which you have the ability to cast. You can cast that spell spontaneously by sacrificing a prepared spell or spell slot of equal or higher level. You can apply any metamagic feats you possess to this spell when you cast it. This increases the minimum level of the prepared spell or spell slot you must sacrifice in order
39:50 <diebot> to cast it but does not affect the casting time.
39:50 <diebot> Special:  You can gain this feat multiple times. Its effects do not stack. Each time you take the feat, it applies to a different spell. Source: APG
39:52 <Avatar> not sure that was breath of life
39:57 <Mekkis> ah
39:59 <Mekkis> APG
40:30 <Mekkis> considered something like that for my core character. Not going to work :(
41:19 <Avatar> everyone loves playing with cairo now because he has heighten spell and continual flame
41:36 <Avatar> yeah I chose preferred spell fireball
41:38 <Mekkis> heh
41:50 <Steven> I just finished making a Core Fighter.
42:21 <Mekkis> Wanted to do something like that for my core character: seems that that's not a Thing though
43:43 <Steven> you're a gunslinger... you're positioned pretty favorably for eyes.
54:44 <Steven> heh... taters...
56:23 <Avatar> taters taters
56:41 <Steven> so whats up guys?
57:26 <Taters213> My name apparently
59:12 <Goya> Not much. 
59:15 <Steven> Writing up a character entry... so boring
02:10 <Steven> [b][/b] most common thing typed
03:29 <Avatar> not optimised
03:56 <Avatar> I'm going to pick up a decoy ring
07:14 <Avatar> I thought celestial armor isn't PFS legal
13:32 <Steven> yaw
13:34 <Steven> n
16:21 <Avatar> cmon steven I thought you were good at this
16:42 <Avatar> give me a solid precautionary item or two
17:31 <Steven> how much gold you got
18:20 <Avatar> like 15000 after the ring I think
18:26 <Avatar> eyes part 1 had a lot of gold on it
20:24 <Steven> I'd have gone for a ring of evasion over the decoy ring
21:22 <steven> why would you think that?
24:44 <Avatar> remind me to upload the new cairo sheet this afternoon
24:49 <Avatar> that one is really really old
26:15 <Avatar> that doesn't solve my dilemma with getting stuck in melee while I'm carrying a gun
26:26 <steven> suuuuuup
26:40 <Avatar> it's meant to help me reposition, which evasion won't do
26:48 <Avatar> ya
31:06 <Captain_Apeshit> Hello
32:10 <Steven> yeah, but your still withdrawing.
32:27 <Steven> you can withdraw without the ring.
34:22 <Steven> odds captain is a troll?
34:29 <Steven> I'm going 57%
43:10 <Avatar> if I withdraw without the ring in front of a couple of good melee combatants, I can get run down very quickly
43:42 <Avatar> that guy was probably not a troll
43:51 <Avatar> you can tell because he used mibbit
44:00 <Avatar> he came here through a pathfinder link
44:03 <Avatar> not a random
44:21 <Avatar> basically you're a VL who just chased away a player
45:13 <Steven> basically im a guy who saw Captain Apeshit and figured 57% of the time that would be linked with a troll.
46:06 <Avatar> na
46:12 <Avatar> you forget what some pathfinder players can be like
46:22 <Avatar> he might have been playing a bloodrager
46:41 <Steven> he didnt respond... i dont think he was serious about playing.
46:44 <Steven> anyways
46:54 <Avatar> he didn't respond because all you said to him was "odds captain is a troll? 57%"
47:12 <Steven> yeah... which he could have refuted... he didnt.
47:19 <Avatar> some people just don't
47:26 <Avatar> it's fine, next time gadget
47:29 <Steven> probably because he was a troll.
47:48 <Avatar> or he just thought "hmmm. dicks"
47:59 <Avatar> look it's possible you were on the money
48:17 <Steven> bout 57%...
49:47 <Steven> is your weapon distance?
50:46 <Avatar> holy seeking
50:49 <Avatar> 40ft range musket
50:55 <Avatar> I don't need more range
51:11 <Avatar> my weapon is really fine
51:11 <Steven> if you dont want to be in melee... staying 80ft away is a damn fine way to do that.
51:37 <Avatar> I'd rather rely on tactics for that
51:47 <Avatar> getting a bit of movement in there helps a lot
51:58 <Avatar> the idea is I don't want to get cornered
52:11 <Avatar> it's not impossible that invisibility won't help either
52:38 <Steven> wait... invisibility not working in 12+ play... parish the thought.
52:48 <Avatar> mate I'm new to this
52:57 <Steven> perish even.
53:01 <Avatar> if there's a good alternative to a decoy ring for repositioning, i'd love to hear about it
53:11 <Avatar> or not taking AoO's
53:22 <Avatar> 5ft steps just don't really cut it
53:38 <Avatar> I was looking for a feat to retrain that does half of what snap shot does
53:45 <Avatar> and thought I'd prefer an item that did the job
54:00 <Avatar> I can afford to retrain up to 2 feats
54:11 <Steven> nibleshot?
54:12 <Avatar> but I don't want the snap shot tree, because that's OP for a gunslinger
54:19 <Avatar> what is nibleshot
54:21 <Steven> nimble shot
54:27 <Avatar> !feat nimble shot
54:28 <diebot> Avatar, NIMBLE MOVES []Prereq:  Dex 13.  You can move across a single obstacle with ease.
54:28 <diebot> Benefit:  Whenever you move, you may move through 5 feet of difficult terrain each round as if it were normal terrain. This feat allows you to take a 5-foot step into difficult terrain. Source: Core
54:34 <Avatar> is that a real feat
54:43 <Steven> +4 weapon enchant makes a ranged weapon not provoke aoo
55:14 <Steven> but reloading still would.
27:10 <Mekkis> "I don't like Besmara because she gives me exactly the same amount of magical power as everyone else"
27:12 <Avatar> we can argue the similarities but that's not the point
27:26 <Avatar> like the $50 example
27:39 <Avatar> $50 is the sales pitch
27:48 <Avatar> or the cleric's powers that every cleric gets
27:57 <Avatar> I want to know what else besmara gives away
28:00 <Avatar> or is it just $50?
28:03 <Steven> avatar, if you could pick a different diety which would it be?
28:11 <Avatar> I dunno, desna
28:17 <Steven> why desna?
28:35 <Avatar> you mentioned the rapier and I'm thinking access to butterfly sting
28:49 <Mekkis> don't do it
29:07 <Avatar> I don't care if that's not the option, as long as there is some other option
29:14 <Avatar> for which besmara has none
29:15 <Steven> i dont really think its worth the retraining costs.
29:35 <Avatar> fair enough, so what else should I do
29:46 <Avatar> I'll upload my char sheet if it's not the latest, hang on
29:52 <Mekkis> stick with Besmara
29:58 <Mekkis> Or.. 
30:02 <Mekkis> Turn to Asmodeus
30:05 <Avatar> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=308
30:10 <Avatar> it kind of is the latest, bar one scenario
30:48 <Avatar> skip over the scenario notes I wrote and didn't erase on that sheet
31:40 <Mekkis> wow
31:58 <Mekkis> Buck must look pretty weird these days.
32:07 <Avatar> what are you talking about
32:11 <Avatar> he has an eye patch
32:21 <Mekkis> covered by a mantis mask
32:32 <Avatar> yeah
32:40 <Avatar> look at least it's not a jingasa
33:12 <Mekkis> I have no problem with mantis masks, but are you dressing the part?
33:12 <Avatar> I've never had to use that bracelet of second chances to date
33:22 <Avatar> I'm doing the best I can
33:40 <Mekkis> dressing as a red mantis?
34:02 <Mekkis> shit man, you ARE worshipping the wrong god
34:18 <Avatar> it's just one of their masks man
34:22 <Avatar> I am not donning their whole outfit
34:28 <Mekkis> why not?
34:32 <Avatar> I have an eyepatch
34:43 <Mekkis> sure, but noone can see that
34:50 <Avatar> it's on the outside of the mask ok
35:22 <Mekkis> have you seen what the mask looks like?
35:50 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/image/content/CrimsonThrone/PZO9009-RedMantis.jpg
35:59 <Avatar> yeah that's fine
36:05 <Mekkis> where are you putting the eyepatch?
36:14 <Avatar> OVER THE EYE
36:38 <Avatar> Buck uses his right eye to aim his musket
36:42 <Mekkis> that would look really dumb.
36:51 <Mekkis> What's covering Buck's torso?
36:54 <Avatar> then it's under the mask
37:01 <Avatar> I don't care, he's wearing it, and that's all Besmara would care about
37:19 <Avatar> unfettered shirt
37:33 <Mekkis> isn't the shirt worn under the armour?
37:38 <Avatar> yeah
37:48 <Avatar> he's wearing armor as well
37:59 <Mekkis> what's the armour?
38:07 <Avatar> elven chain
38:17 <Mekkis> is that the outermost layer?
38:43 <steven> how goes it mang?
39:11 <Avatar> yeah
39:15 <Avatar> does that matter
39:18 <Mekkis> yes
39:20 <Avatar> no
39:57 <Steven> alright.
40:08 <Steven> avatar... did you buy a cloak of resistance?
40:18 <Avatar> no I have no interest in a cloak of resistance
40:30 <Avatar> I might find one and use that, but I have a cape of the mountebank
40:46 <Avatar> oh wait, no I don't
41:04 <Steven> buy a ddoor cloak not the ring.
41:07 <Avatar> the same thing still applies
41:21 <Avatar> I don't actually have a ddoor item?
41:33 <Avatar> should I keep picking up cloaks of resist or get a proper cloak?
41:55 <Avatar> it's so easy to pick up cloaks of resistance because almost everyone has either that or some other cloak, so I get first dibs constantly
42:18 <Steven> ddoor cloak>cloak of resistance for getting away from things.
42:28 <Avatar> obv
42:45 <Steven> ddoor cloak>decoy ring for getting away from things.
42:54 <Avatar> ddor cloak is 1/day
43:01 <Steven> then get the upgraded version.
43:05 <Avatar> so once you use it once, decoy ring>ddoor cloak
43:07 <Steven> that lets you do it 3/day
43:11 <Avatar> how much does that cost
43:18 <Avatar> I didn't even know there was a greater
43:33 <Avatar> in fact I am not sure there is one
43:40 <Steven> there is one.
43:50 <Avatar> charlatan's cape, 45000gp
43:56 <Avatar> mate I have a lot of money but I don't have that much
44:09 <Steven> so save up.
44:17 <Avatar> I don't think my fame even lets me buy something that expensive
44:22 <Avatar> realistic suggestions only, please!
44:40 <Steven> if you've gotten 4prestige per level you can afford that item.
45:04 <Mekkis> here's what a mantis mask looks like, when worn with Elven chain:
45:16 <Avatar> you need 49 fame for it
45:18 <Avatar> I have 44
45:32 <Avatar> Mekkis: I don't care
45:33 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/mantis_elvenchain.png
45:46 <Avatar> Buck doesn't have a female torso
46:01 <Mekkis> sure, but it looks similar to that
46:10 <Avatar> Buck does not look similiar to a female in any way
46:15 <Avatar> not even with elven chain
46:26 <Avatar> Buck is a very masculine looking man
46:32 <Steven> how did you miss out on so much prestige... my 12th level characters have always had ~60 prestige.
46:34 <Avatar> if you don't see that, you have the wrong mental image 
47:03 <Mekkis> I'm more pointing out the clash of styles here
47:22 <Steven> damn man... thats a lot of missing prestige.
47:32 <Avatar> I might have to recheck the prestige now that I look at it
47:39 <Avatar> the earlier scenarios didn't have prestige recorded on my sheet
47:53 <Avatar> it's a mask that doesn't belong to the rest of the outfit
48:00 <Avatar> that's normal with any wondrous item that looks like that
48:15 <Avatar> it's a *mask*
48:30 <Avatar> I'm not going to a dinner party
49:40 <Steven> Alright...
50:06 <Steven> sell your boots of springing and striding, since you're only using half of what the item actually gives you.
50:18 <Steven> buy boots of the lightning leaper
51:20 <Avatar> 1/day
51:31 <Steven> or boots of escape
51:54 <Steven> yeah its only once per day... lots of 'get me the fuck out of melee' items are.
53:00 <Steven> the Ring of decoy at 12th level is lackluster in the extreme because you're in the tier where a great many of the creatures you're running into that are challenging are all about truesight/seeinvis
55:11 <Steven> there is a very specific combo you do with a ring of decoy that makes it a good item.  You did not do it, so its a meh item.
58:35 <Mekkis> Avatar, can't you just cast Litany of Sloth, and walk out?
59:50 <Steven> he is concerned about multiple creatures in melee with him.
00:08 <Mekkis> he should be more concerned about his image problem
00:31 <Steven> more or less then all the people walking around with a tien helmet on their head?
00:56 <Mekkis> I'd say a little more, but the tien helmet would still be an issue
01:15 <Avatar> what do you guys think about swift actions and AoOs
01:18 <Avatar> do they provoke
01:23 <Mekkis> sometimes
01:41 <Steven> generally swift actions do not provoke.
01:41 <Mekkis> there's no blanket statement saying they don't
02:01 <Steven> but I can think of 3 swift actions that provoke because they specifically say they do.
03:01 <Steven> casting a spell as a swift action does not provoke.
03:34 <Avatar> that's what I think
03:42 <Avatar> they don't provoke unless there is text specifically saying they do
03:56 <Mekkis> Steven, where does it say that? I know casting a quickened spell doesn't provoke...
04:09 <Steven> Magic section of the core rule book?
04:15 <Avatar> really?
04:27 <Avatar> I thought the closest blanket statement was in Types of Actions
04:31 <Avatar> in the combat chapter
04:50 <Avatar> yeah you're right
05:20 <Avatar> see, it specifically says it there that it doesn't provoke because casting a spell usually provokes
05:25 <Avatar> not because swift actions usually provoke
05:35 <Avatar> for some reason they don't say it outright
06:38 <Mekkis> For example, retrieving an item from a spring-loaded wrist sheath provokes
07:56 <Avatar> no it doesn't?
08:04 <Avatar> putting an item back in does
08:05 <Mekkis> what?
08:09 <Mekkis> of course it does
08:28 <Avatar> from a wrist sheathe it does because it's a move action
08:54 <Mekkis> no, from a wrist sheath it does because it's a "retrieve an item" action
09:23 <Mekkis> a spring-loaded one makes the "retrieve an item" action a swift action, so it still provokes
09:24 <Avatar> but it's a swift action, not a move action 
09:34 <Avatar> retrieve an item provokes because it's a move action
10:31 <Mekkis> not all move actions provoke
10:45 <Avatar> that one does though
10:57 <Mekkis> that's because it's a "retrieve an item" action
11:05 <Avatar> changing it to a swift action changes whether it provokes 
11:17 <Avatar> because swift actions don't provoke unless it specifically says it does
11:25 <Mekkis> Citation?
11:32 <Avatar> every mention of swift actions
11:51 <Avatar> there's no blanket statement, I can't say it with 100% certainty
11:59 <Avatar> but that seems to me that it's the intent
12:04 <Mekkis> Nowhere does it say that swift actions don't provoke
12:16 <Avatar> but every time it does provoke, it specifically says so
12:40 <Avatar> anyway this is a table variance argument
12:48 <Avatar> neither of us can be certain we're right
12:51 <Mekkis>   Wrist Sheath, Spring Loaded: This item
12:51 <Mekkis> works like a standard wrist sheath
13:19 <Mekkis> Yay. A broken item, that people keep arguing should be more broken!
13:25 <Avatar> I actually already have litany of sloth on my spell list
13:32 <Mekkis> I know
14:15 <Avatar> I really don't want to argue about the SLWS, but it's that kind of variance that makes me say no to playing at your table
14:29 <Mekkis> also, the wrist sheath specifically says "Provoking attacks of opportunity as normal"
14:41 <Avatar> because of the move action on that item
14:53 <Avatar> it "works like a standard wrist sheath" in terms of its description
15:04 <Avatar> the action changes, so the AoO does as well
15:12 <Mekkis> it would keep the "provoking attacks of opportunity as normal"
15:15 <Avatar> neither mention it so we can't be 100% sure
15:23 <Avatar> we are both technically as right as we can be about it
15:25 <Mekkis> the action isn't changing: just the time it takes to perform the action
15:47 <Avatar> right, that's the same thing in my terminology
15:53 <Avatar> the time it takes changes
16:01 <Avatar> so does the AoO that accommodates the time it takes
16:59 <Steven> back.
17:11 <Steven> oh god... you're still going on about that.
17:44 <Steven> i think JJacob had a post about it.
18:00 <Steven> yeah i know... not a rules guy... blah blah.
18:33 <Steven> it gives an idea about intent of the item though.
18:41 <Steven> let me go find the post.
18:46 <steven> yay gencon volunteer blog went up.
20:04 <Steven> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l7ns&page=469?Ask-James-Jacobs-ALL-your-Questions-Here#23415
22:19 <Steven> alrighty... i am going to the store, hopefully you're all finished with this topic when im back.
23:21 <steven> lookin at you avatar!
28:06 <Avatar> thank you steven
01:12 <Avatar> apparently it's going to be 32 degrees today, but it's gone from 18 degrees to 21 degrees since midnight (and it's now 11am)
01:21 <Avatar> we have the room booked until 8pm
01:28 <Avatar> so basically it will probably be steaming hot at the end of our game
56:47 <daddya12> hello
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29:29 <Mekkis> Avatar, read your post. I need to ask...
30:05 <Mekkis> over the past two months, has your scenario buying gone down?
36:23 <Steven> mine has stayed constant.
36:52 <Mekkis> I can imagine
43:04 <ulzef> the armor is the shield is not
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