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20:56 <steven> alright back.
21:04 <steven> I was writing up my core character.
32:17 <Brunius> why do my eyes hurt
32:19 <Brunius> this sucks
32:23 <Brunius> I got six hours of sleep
32:25 <Brunius> jegus what more do you want
39:39 <steven> it wants you to break so that it can laugh at your.
46:49 <steven> pain
47:09 <steven> i say you fling poo at it until it leaves you alone.
09:05 <s_gmusic> thinking of making a stealth hjealer. do I want to be cleric/ninja or cleric/rogue?
10:00 <steven> go core with the character!
11:09 <s_gmusic> that's why I wonder about rogue instead of ninja
18:15 <steven> I think im going to find a core game to play online.
23:14 <Avatar> the general response in the forums about drag is that it's a no brainer, either use the CM rules or use the move action/carrying capacity rules
23:47 <steven> nothing i wanna play there.
25:35 <s_gmusic> what kind of character?
30:24 <Brunius> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/02/iceland-temple-norse-gods-1000-years
37:56 <Philderbeast> afternoon
39:23 <steven> http://paizo.com/people/FinniusAldain
44:31 <Avatar> phil
44:47 <Brunius> av
44:52 <Avatar> brun
45:00 <Brunius> phil
45:08 <Avatar> I did look at that link, but your reputation precedes you
45:16 <Philderbeast> ?
45:57 <s_gmusic> nice. plan for him?
46:59 <Philderbeast> *grumble* so google has deprecated half the code my app was using lol
49:47 <Avatar> nice
50:32 <Avatar> the "I'm enjoying it" bit was what I was looking for
50:36 <Avatar> obviously there is no metric
55:45 <Philderbeast> yea really nice... now i have to rewrite it all
29:23 <steven> hey hey
29:55 <steven> ran into 3 new pathfinders to write about after tonights game.
41:57 <steven> the first half of the scenario was 3 elves/halfelfs and 3 dwarves talking shit about the other race with me wondering how so many racists joined the society.
42:43 <Mekkis> could be worse
42:52 <steven> hey goya
43:10 <Mekkis> Could have a bunch of 'human-haters' because it makes the best favoured enem
43:10 <Mekkis> y
44:14 <steven> I has my schedule for paizocon.
44:48 <steven> I will be running 6-07 and 6-20 CORE!
45:48 <Mekkis> I ran Immortal Conundrum last night. The PCs managed to bypass all but one of the encounters :)
45:57 <steven> gonna be exciting!
46:58 <steven> heh
47:25 <steven> im currently writing up the enteries so i can post them to the character page on paizo
24:17 <steven> done
25:25 <steven> This foul smelling disagreeable murdering Dwarven miscreant is by far my least favorite companion I've had to travel with. He is constantly shouting. He smells of offal. Keeps company with a mangy feline that at one point during an interrogation tore the throat out of a prisoner! Morgrim claims he was telling the animal not to do it, but I clearly saw through his lies. He had a smug look of satisfaction and pride.
25:25 <steven>  I am unsure if he truly possesses the wisdom of the wild. Nature as I understand it seeks balance and this mongrel is so tilted he may as well lay down. He is repugnant.
40:35 <Mekkis> hehe
42:41 <steven> every pathfinder i've played with so far has one!
42:57 <steven> well with this core character
43:23 <steven> i dont even wanna consider doing this with the rest of my characters... 24 others... ugh.
18:20 <Avatar> how will you rule drag
46:18 <steven> turkey bacon avacado melt.
46:31 <steven> it was sooooo good.
28:52 <Mekkis> !spell bl
28:59 <Mekkis> !spell blend
29:06 <diebot> Mekkis, BLUR illusion (glamer[]) bard 2, sorcerer/wizard 2, summoner 2, alchemist 2, magus 2 1 standard action Range: touch creature touched Comp: V Duration: 1 min./level Save: Will negates (harmless) SR:yes (harmless)Source: PFRPG Core
29:06 <diebot> The subject's outline appears blurred, shifting, and wavering. This distortion grants the subject concealment (20% miss chance). A see invisibility spell does not counteract the blur effect, but a true seeing spell does. Opponents that cannot see the subject ignore the spell's effect (though fighting an unseen opponent carries penalties of its
29:06 <diebot> own).
29:06 <diebot> Mekkis, BLEND illusion (glamer[]) alchemist 1, druid 1, magus 1, ranger 1, sorcerer/wizard 1, witch 1, shaman 1 1 standard action Range: personal you Comp: S Duration: 10 minutes/level Save:  SR:Source: Advanced Race Guide
29:06 <diebot> You draw upon your elven link to the wilderness to change the coloration of yourself and your equipment to match that of your surroundings. This grants you a +4 circumstance bonus on Stealth checks and allows you to make Stealth checks without cover or concealment, but only while you move no more than half your base speed or less. If you move more
29:06 <diebot> than half your base speed on your turn, you gain no benefit from this spell until the start of your next turn. If you make an attack, this spell ends (as invisibility).
40:33 <Avatar> I think I made a stealth attack quite using the wrong rules
40:40 <Avatar> but it turned out to be quite effective and fair
41:06 <Mekkis> was it fun?
41:12 <Avatar> 100%
41:25 <Mekkis> then there is no problem
41:42 <Avatar> basically I made the bad guy make a stealth roll around a corner, then had him come into view and made the guy he was attacking make a perception check vs the stealth roll
41:53 <Avatar> and the bad guy moved at full speed
42:10 <Avatar> as in, move, then standard to sneak attack
42:38 <Avatar> I didn't think it was terribly fair to the bad guy for the whole party to make a perception check
42:48 <Avatar> and moving at half speed would never have worked
42:58 <Avatar> rogues really get the short end of the stick
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54:16 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Thu Jan  1 16:52:13 2015
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11:21 * [XRaven] passes steven a nice Fat Joint </ / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / /#~~~~~ ~~~~ ~~ ~~ ~
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32:59 <Mekkis> !spell feather step
33:02 <diebot> Mekkis, FEATHER STEP transmutation ([]) bard 1, druid 1, ranger 1 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature Comp: V, S Duration: 10 minutes/level Save: Fortitude negates (harmless) SR:yesSource: APG
33:02 <diebot> For the duration of this spell, the subject ignores the adverse movement effects of difficult terrain, and can even take 5-foot steps in difficult terrain.
33:15 <Mekkis> !search feather step
33:18 <diebot> Mekkis, Feather Step Slippers,Snowshoes Of Northern Pursuit,Minotaur Belt,Gorgon Belt
33:26 <Mekkis> !item Feather Step Slippers
33:27 <diebot> Mekkis, FEATHER STEP SLIPPERS [faint transmutation] CL:3 feet 2000gp, 1lb
33:28 <diebot> These fine silken slippers allow their wearer to ignore the adverse movement effects of difficult terrain as if subject to the feather step spell, including granting the ability to take 5-foot steps in difficult terrain. Source: Ultimate Equipment
33:52 <Mekkis> Feather Step + blade boot would do that?
58:48 <Brunius> `op
59:04 <Brunius> `op
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52:10 <steven> this restriction is only on players.  Gms can do whatever the fuck they want "GMs may utilize whatever books a scenario, module, quest, Adventure Path, or other sanctioned adventure utilizes."
57:29 <steven> Hello.
59:19 <Avatar> but what about dragging an ally
04:01 <steven> not possible.
04:21 <steven> the mechanics for drag are outlined in APG i believe.
17:31 <Avatar> how can dragging not be possible even if there's no mechanic for it
18:03 <Avatar> there's no mechanic for lifting either, but you can still do it
20:55 <steven> if you dont move at half speed you take a -5 to your stealth check, that is all.
25:43 <Avatar> still screws the rogue
04:38 <steven> pretty much yeah.
05:06 <steven> I am so enjoying core.
05:14 <steven> just because i can play again
07:45 <steven> the problem is that there is a mechanic for it in another book.  If there was NO mechanic for it, it would be GM adjudication.
14:37 <Avatar> you played with us just the other day
25:09 <steven> i played for no credit the other day.
25:28 <steven> I mean i got to make progress with a character
25:34 <steven> it was awesome.
27:31 <Avatar> Brunius: has starbound gotten better
28:58 <Brunius> I haven't played it before like two days ago
29:00 <Brunius> so idk
31:19 <Mekkis> Avatar, if, pre-APG, someone wanted to drag an enemy, I'd have ruled it a CMB check vs their CMD
33:44 <Avatar> did you do that in 3.5
34:22 <Mekkis> no. in 3.5 I'd use either an opposed strength check, or an opposed grapple check
34:49 <Avatar> steven you can't say there is a mechanic for it in another book so doing it any other way is impossible
35:09 <Avatar> in core, there is no mechanic for it, therefore it is GM adjudication, but it's not impossible to drag something
35:13 <Avatar> that's ridiculous
35:51 <steven> the drag combat manuever is not legal for use by players in Core.
36:05 <Avatar> but dragging isn't illegal
36:42 <steven> The drag combat manuever is not legal for players to use in core.
36:48 <Avatar> that's like saying doing a high five is illegal because there's no mechanic for it in the core rulebook
37:10 <steven> Touch attack by both players.
37:17 <Avatar> ah but that's not in the core rulebook
37:25 <Avatar> you adjucated that
37:36 <Mekkis> steven, you'd adjudicate it as 3.5e trip?
40:46 <Avatar> I don't think it matters how you'd adjucate it, as long as you don't rule that it's impossible
40:59 <Avatar> the same way you wouldn't rule a high five as being impossible
41:04 <Avatar> since "no mechanic exists"
41:32 <Mekkis> still don't understand why people rule that catching an ally requires a touch attack
41:46 <Avatar> catching an ally?
41:54 <Mekkis> yeah
41:55 <steven> hey, i never said thats how i argued for it to work.  I was overruled though because the GM is kind of a pain in the ass when it comes to stuff like that.
42:13 <Avatar> man nobody is asking how your pain in the ass GM would rule it, we're asking how you would rule it
42:29 <Mekkis> say an ally is falling, and you want to catch them
42:31 <Avatar> we don't want to know how your pain in the ass GM would prefer PFS to be when we're talking rules discussion
42:49 <steven> hmmmm.... how to say it without aying that i ould totally jut use the drag rules....
43:48 <Avatar> I think the APG's combat maneuvers are a corner case, there's no other rules in any book where rules didn't really exist for them before and now they do
44:11 <Avatar> maybe some feats that allow you to do something different? I dunno
44:51 <Avatar> worth asking in the messageboards in core campaign
45:32 <steven> i understand the whole no dirty trick/reposition because those are rarely ever used.
46:03 <Avatar> yeah agree on those
46:30 <steven> reposition can be simulated with positioning and bullrushing.
46:47 <Avatar> not sure about dirty trick if you're in a desert and fighting humans from a prone position
47:14 <Avatar> I guess you could rule it as a weapon attack or something
47:32 <Avatar> I'm trying to think of it from the standpoint of a new GM
47:50 <steven> but the drag combat maneuver requires a grapple check then you have to maintain and choose to move half speed.
48:27 <Avatar> isn't that basically what the drag maneuver is
51:08 <steven> yeah.  Save that the drag combat maneuver takes a standard action and the work around takes two standards making it stupidly inefficient.
51:53 <steven> in my area the most common use of drag is to drag people out of a threatened area when they are unconcious
52:54 <steven> so now we can spend a standard action to grapple the person, and then next round get the person out of the area
53:19 <Mekkis> you're requiring a CMB check on an ally?!
54:29 <steven> or we can move action pick them up which provokes an AoO and then pray the person doesnt put you heavily encumbered.
54:50 <Mekkis> drag capacity is 4x heavy load
57:35 <steven> yeah. but a gnome trying to pick up a dwarf in full plate...
58:18 <Mekkis> you'd allow that with a successful drag manouvre?
58:53 <steven> I'm a very generous GM when it comes to stuff like that.
59:41 <steven> I'd rather have a good time then a rules perfect game.
00:48 <steven> like i was at paizocon and i was free for a slot and decided i'd sit to make legal table size.
01:11 <steven> and thats where i learned that freedom of movement does not remove the grappled condition.
02:26 <steven> it says you automatically succeed at all escape artist and grapple checks made to escape a grapple or pin and all grapple checks automatically fail vs you.
02:56 <steven> so if you are already grappled and then get hit with FoM, you're still grappled until you take a standard action to remove the condition.
05:32 <steven> At tables I am GMing.  If you get hit with FoM you're no longer grappled because I feel it is stupid that you have to waste a standard action to automatically succeed vs grapple.
07:05 <Avatar> !spell freedom of movement
07:08 <diebot> Avatar, FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT abjuration ([]) bard 4, cleric/oracle 4, druid 4, ranger 4, alchemist 4, inquisitor 4, alchemist 4, inquisitor 4 1 standard action Range: personal or touch you or creature touched Comp: V, S, M (a leather strip bound to the target), DF Duration: 10 min./level Save: Will negates (harmless) SR:yes (harmless)Source:
07:09 <diebot> PFRPG Core
07:09 <diebot> This spell enables you or a creature you touch to move and attack normally for the duration of the spell, even under the influence of magic that usually impedes movement, such as paralysis, solid fog, slow, and web. All combat maneuver checks made to grapple the target automatically fail. The subject automatically succeeds on any combat maneuver
07:09 <diebot> checks and Escape Artist checks made to escape a grapple or a pin. The spell also allows the subject to move and attack normally while underwater, even with slashing weapons such as axes and swords or with bludgeoning weapons such as flails, hammers, and maces, provided that the weapon is wielded in the hand rather than hurled. The freedom of
07:09 <diebot> movement spell does not, however, grant water breathing.
08:23 <Avatar> that actually does seem fair that it takes a standard to get out
08:27 <steven> pretty fucking dumb huh avatar?
08:42 <Avatar> otherwise if you lose grapple before you get your turn, the bad guy can fuck you over
08:56 <Avatar> whereas if you auto break free as a standard, you can get out of the way on your turn
09:14 <Avatar> does that sound right or am I missing something
09:48 <Mekkis> blink is better
09:56 <steven> i do enjoy a good blink spell.
10:10 <Mekkis> not as good as it was in 3.5
10:41 <steven> you know I have never actually cast blink on my wizard... He picked the spell up as soon as he got it, never cast it.
14:31 <steven> Most things that grapple characters in scenarios have it as a secondary effect on an attack.  I am refering to the Grab Mechanic.
15:08 <Mekkis> !spell blink
15:09 <diebot> Mekkis, BLINK transmutation ([]) bard 3, sorcerer/wizard 3, magus 3 1 standard action Range: personal you Comp: V, S Duration: 1 round/level (D) Save:  SR:Source: PFRPG Core
15:10 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/blink.html
16:05 <steven> unless a creature has the swallow whole grappling is very rarly maintained at tables due to most GM's ive seen would rather drop the grapple and just full attack again.
25:15 <Mekkis> depends on the intelligence of the creature
25:25 <Mekkis> but yes, that's one thing I don't like about Pathfinder grapple rules
25:44 <Mekkis> !spell blink, greater
25:45 <diebot> Mekkis, BRAND, GREATER transmutation ([curse]) inquisitor 4 1 round Range: touch creature touched Comp: V, S, DF Duration: permanent Save: Fortitude negates SR:yesSource: APG
25:45 <diebot> This spell functions like brand, except that it inflicts 1d6 points of damage when applied and cannot be removed, even temporarily. In addition, a greater brand blazes as bright as a torch when brought within 30 feet of a visible symbol of your faith. While the symbol is blazing, the recipient is sickened. Like the effects of bestow curse, a
25:45 <diebot> greater brand cannot be dispelled, but it can be removed by any means that removes a mark of justice.
25:55 <Mekkis> !spell greater blink
25:56 <diebot> Mekkis, CREATE PIT conjuration (creation[]) sorcerer/wizard 2, summoner 2 1 standard action Range: medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)  Comp: V, S, F (miniature shovel costing 10 gp) Duration: 1 round + 1 round/level Save: Reflex negates SR:noSource: APG
25:57 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/create_pit.html
28:05 <Mekkis> ah, 3.5e
35:03 <Avatar> well is it fun now
44:59 <steven> i think what brunius was trying to say was that he has no metric for deciding if it is better then what it was.
45:15 <Brunius> that is what brunius was saying
45:19 <Brunius> I'm enjoying it
56:46 <steven> so my core character is super fun.
57:54 <steven> and it doesnt hurt that so far I've played with some of the strongest roleplayers in the area.
58:21 <Mekkis> ?dazed
58:22 <diebot> Mekkis, The creature is unable to act normally. A dazed creature can take no actions, but has no penalty to AC. A dazed condition typically lasts 1 round.
58:31 <steven> yesterday we did a back to back session of before the dawn part 1 and part 2.
58:39 <Mekkis> can a dazed creature perform a 5' step?
30:11 <steven> hello everybody!
32:49 <Mekkis> hi
34:13 <steven> Common sense.
34:20 <steven> ive been playin darkest dungeon for the last couple hours
00:31 <Mekkis> you can move slightly while avoiding attacks while dazed...
16:53 <Avatar> is that good
34:02 <steven> sometimes its super fun
34:11 <steven> othertimes its frustration to no end.
34:34 <steven> like just now... mission level 1 apprentice
34:56 <steven> my strongest guy has 42hp
35:03 <steven> boss enemy 132hp
35:34 <steven> has an attack tht hits everyone in the party for 7-14 damage and has a chance to stun them.
36:05 <steven> my healers have 2 different heals, a heal that does 2-2 healing to everyone and a single target heal that does 3-4
36:27 <steven> there is no restarting missions
36:35 <steven> if a character dies, he stays dead
38:48 <steven> probably the most infuriating thing is that a torch costs 75g... you need 8-10 torches to do a short dungeon.
39:03 <steven> you need 4-8 food which also costs 75g
39:45 <steven> if you buy too much food or torches, you dont recieve a refund on the unused goods.
40:08 <steven> when you leave the dungeon your group just tosses them on the floor
40:21 <steven> because fuck it... why would you ever want to keep 75gold
42:39 <steven> they give a disclaimer about how the game is about hard choices in persuit of a goal.
43:00 <steven> and sometimes it just feels like a gotcha game.
17:54 <Avatar> sounds like it needs to come out of early access
22:56 <steven> i think some of the abilities need balanced.
23:16 <steven> stun is entirely too powerful.
50:15 <steven> suuuuuuuuuuuuup
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24:23 <s_gmusic> yo
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05:47 <steven> i am so bored.
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