// #d&d — 2015-02-11
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00:02:33 <steven> hey peoples.
00:03:28 <Mekkis> hey
00:03:35 <steven> i think im going to make a character like Doc Holiday.
00:07:21 <steven> nah...
00:07:48 <steven> nevermind, i have enough noncore characters. Wont be able to get another one to 12 for at least another year or two.
00:08:32 <steven> suppose i'll have to design another core character.
00:10:07 <steven> have a level 3 cleric and a level 2 druid.
00:10:20 <steven> whatcha thinkin mekkis.
00:11:05 <Mekkis> Pathfinder Chronicler
00:12:11 <steven> I was lookin at that
00:12:16 <Mekkis> starting with Monk
00:12:43 <steven> and then i found out my friend whom i play with all the time is going for that.
00:12:57 <steven> not the monk part though.
00:14:21 <steven> we try not to step on each others toes with characters we build.
00:14:53 <Mekkis> sorcerer specialising in polymorph
00:15:29 <steven> i like the monk idea.
00:15:54 <steven> i think it will be different enough that he wont think i'm just copying him.
00:17:06 <Mekkis> what do nobility domain clerics receive in place of leadership?
00:17:46 <steven> if memory serves its Persuasive
00:18:11 <steven> it is a fairly weak replacement in my opinion.
00:18:48 <Mekkis> what about the obvious: trickery cleric 1 / wizard 3 / mystic theurge...\
00:20:08 <steven> no.
00:20:25 <steven> I will never use the SLA Early access bullshit.
00:22:33 <steven> i discourage people at the shop from doing it whenever they ask me for advice on builds that are making use of it.
00:23:01 <steven> OH! in other news about the shop... Dude was cheating last night.
00:23:50 <steven> rolled a 4, before reporting it tried to change his roll from a 4 to a 17. One of the players saw him and was like... No, that was a 4. Play right or not at all.
00:28:13 <steven> I think this monk/chronicler has promise.
00:35:07 <steven> Monk 2/Bard3/ChroniclerX?
00:43:40 <steven> Nevermind, I'm now thinking Monk 2 or 3/Paladin 2 or 3/ Chronicler
00:44:48 <steven> suppose i could go Monk 3/Paladin3/Chronicler
01:02:54 <steven> level 6 saves of 11/8/10 Immune to fear, immune to Sleep, Immune to disease, +4 vs enchantment
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02:02:23 <steven> Just played a game.
02:02:26 <steven> 7 player table.
02:02:30 <steven> everyone had an animal companion
02:02:58 <steven> 14 miniatures on the field.... yay.
02:10:02 <s_gmusic> : |
02:10:09 <s_gmusic> I'm sorry. :\
02:11:43 <Mekkis> Avatar, he can't cast many spells with 13 wisdom
02:12:25 <Mekkis> and his companion and his spellcasting aren't his main schtick
02:36:39 <Mekkis> moin
02:37:05 <Avatar> he can cast from a scroll plenty fine
02:37:18 <Avatar> I'm not looking to know everything about his character from a single word
02:37:20 <Avatar> just an idea
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02:44:52 <Mekkis> howzit
02:45:05 <Mekkis> does armour check penalty from encumbrance stack with armour check penalty for armour?
02:45:17 <Mekkis> at best, you get a misleading impression
02:45:33 <Avatar> so you can't cast druid spells and don't have an animal companion
02:45:41 <Avatar> what's that roc you've got, an eidolon
02:49:06 <s_gmusic> not sure. normally you take the highest, though, right?
02:49:23 <steven> If memory serves its the greater of the two.
02:51:14 <Avatar> ya
03:05:36 <steven> sup
03:10:55 <steven> hey tashes
03:11:00 <Tashes> heya
03:19:24 <steven> i didnt get to play core today. I had to run a game for some people who came in to dink around
03:25:07 <steven> mostly i didnt get to play because the person who couldnt play anything for credit didnt want to gm...
03:25:39 <steven> this is the same person who shows up every other week for the last year and a half... they have never GMed
03:28:03 <steven> I was a little bitter
03:35:17 <Tashes> some people just really don't liek GMing. Im' on of them
03:36:30 <Mekkis> and unwilling GM will just run things badly
03:37:13 <Tashes> "and then it starts raining skittles"
03:37:33 <Mekkis> make saves vs prismatic spray
03:37:59 <Mekkis> oh, I managed to counter a spell last Saturday
03:38:07 <Mekkis> I was on 0 hp, too
03:38:08 <Brunius_> wow
03:39:06 <Tashes> good job!
03:39:30 <Mekkis> I mean, really counterspell
03:39:40 <Avatar> with your arcanist levelz
03:39:44 <Mekkis> nope
03:39:51 <Mekkis> with the actual spell prepped
03:41:59 <Avatar> how did you know they were going to cast it
03:44:03 <Mekkis> spellcraft check
03:44:07 <Mekkis> I was on 0hp
03:44:15 <Mekkis> I just spent my actions readying
03:44:25 <Avatar> by the time you're spellcasting, it's too late to counterspell
03:44:30 <Avatar> spellcrafting*
03:44:35 <Mekkis> nope
03:44:47 <Mekkis> ready an action to counterspell
03:44:54 <Mekkis> Spellcraft check is not an action
03:45:18 <Avatar> but readying is a standard action
03:49:15 <steven> back.
03:50:50 <steven> I understand if people dont like GMing, but show up for a year and a half every other week and you never once even offer to GM... even when another person(me) gets pulled off their table they signed up to play at... I'm going to give you stink eye.
03:52:38 <steven> readying to counterspell is a viable tactic if you know you're up against a spell caster.
03:53:51 <Tashes> yeah making someoen else do it is kind of jerky
03:57:31 <steven> I've GMed 190 times. I have put in enough tables to confidently say GMing is not hard.
03:58:55 <steven> If you've got a level 8-11 character you've all the experience you actually need to sit behind a GM screen unless you're rocking a double digit IQ... then hey fuck it you get a pass on GMing.
03:59:35 <Tashes> This is a pretty serious rant you're on...
04:04:47 <steven> I am annoyed by it.
04:07:14 <steven> I was pulled from my game to run Silent Tide because the person refused to GM. They sat down to play for no credit to make a table have 3pcs and a kyra bot run by a player rather then 3 players and a GM controlled Kyra.
04:08:37 <steven> so yeah... lil rant...
04:14:15 * Tashes pats
04:14:26 <Avatar> do they know how to GM
04:15:14 <Mekkis> steven, 50% of people have double-digit IQs
04:15:48 <Avatar> 78% of statistics are made up on the spot
04:16:07 <Mekkis> Avatar, by definition, the average IQ is 100.
04:17:17 <Avatar> logic dictates they should stack
04:17:35 <Avatar> not sure what pathfinder dictates
04:22:32 <Avatar> averages
04:22:45 <Avatar> that means some guy probably has like 20 while everyone else is 101
04:27:01 <steven> I know mekkis... but I like to believe that pathfinder brings to the table on average smarter people.
04:27:24 <Avatar> I actually agree with steven on that one
04:27:37 <Avatar> I see the kinds of people that play and the kinds that refuse to play
04:27:56 <Avatar> it's a sad state of affairs when you're not looking at a game of pathfinder
04:30:02 <Brunius_> I'm pretty sure you take the worst of the two
04:30:26 <steven> So... lets get off that topic... I bitched... it is off my chest. How bout them.....
04:30:27 <steven> uh....
04:30:34 <steven> paizo threads.
04:30:51 <Mekkis> Okay. Core.
04:31:11 <Avatar> SOURCE?
04:31:17 <Mekkis> Is it the result of Paizo admitting that they've failed at:
04:31:28 <Mekkis> - releasing sufficient scenarios; and
04:31:35 <Mekkis> - controlling powerlevel
04:32:26 <steven> Nah...
04:33:08 <steven> I think thats a major component of Core Campaign, but there are some other really great benefits to it.
04:33:43 <Mekkis> sure, but now paizo can say: "Not enough scenarios?" "Play core"
04:33:55 <Mekkis> "Sick of unbalanced BS?" "Play core"
04:34:37 <steven> "Brand new to the game?" -play core.
04:34:52 <steven> "First time GMing?" -Gm Core.
04:35:12 <Brunius_> If your character is wearing armor, use the worse f igure
04:35:12 <Brunius_> (from armor or from load) for each category. Do not stack
04:35:12 <Brunius_> the penalties
04:35:20 <Brunius_> p169, core rulebook
04:38:35 <Brunius> GET SOURCED
04:39:01 <Brunius_> I did think it was a bit sad that playing core is an odd thing now
04:41:37 <Avatar> gg
04:41:44 <Mekkis> steven, sure, but is it Paizo tacitly admitting that they're unable to improve the scenario release schedule, or maintain balance. It feels like a band-aid solution
04:43:55 <steven> everything is a bandaid solution really. If they come out with 3 scenarios a month people will just play more.
04:44:13 <steven> If they hit more things with the ban hammer you get negative feedback on the forum.
04:45:00 <steven> just look at that early entry into evangalist thread
04:45:16 <steven> or the crane wing
04:45:27 <steven> or the synthesist summoner discussions
05:01:59 <Avatar> I realised that the bloodrager bears a striking similarity to the synthesist today
05:09:35 <steven> I always look at them as a Dragon Disciple w/o the perminent stat bonus.
05:11:55 <steven> I did make an Arcane Archer out of a Bloodrager.
05:12:02 <steven> It works pretty damn well.
05:13:07 <steven> i 'wasted' 5 build points on getting an int of 14
05:14:47 <steven> level 12 3d8+23+1d6 elemental w/ a +18 to hit.
05:17:16 <steven> i've avoided getting furious finish and just UMDing a wand of gravity bow.
05:18:14 <steven> 59+1d6 elemental
05:18:31 <steven> seems pretty silly
05:18:57 <steven> sadly i dont think i'll ever get to play that character again. GM finished college and moved back to seattle.
05:20:18 <steven> he came back to pullman for 2 days to pack up his stuff... we played 1 session that was 3 hours long.
05:20:37 <steven> and havent seen him in a month and a week now.
05:34:50 <Avatar> steven want a project?
05:35:03 <steven> !rand yes no maybe
05:35:11 <steven> !rng yes no maybe
05:35:12 <diebot> steven, no
05:35:14 <steven> nope.
05:35:16 <steven> not really.
05:35:19 <Avatar> wow thanks diebot
05:35:27 <Avatar> what an asshole
05:36:01 <steven> seriously
05:43:40 <steven> so whatcha doin that you need help on avatar.
05:47:02 <Avatar> I have a druid that needs to be retrained into a shaman
05:49:18 <steven> meh.
06:08:18 <Avatar> I can't actually remember why I was looking over the archetypes
06:08:33 <Avatar> is something wrong with straight shaman
06:08:45 <Avatar> or do any of the archetypes really stand out
06:09:00 <Avatar> I don't remember anything amazing about speaker of the past
06:18:01 <Mekkis> !item muleback cords
06:18:13 <diebot> Mekkis, MULEBACK CORDS [faint transmutation] CL:3 shoulders 1000gp, 0.2lb
06:18:14 <diebot> These thick leather cords wrap around the wearer's biceps and shoulders. When worn, they make the wearer's muscles appear larger than normal. The wearer treats his Strength score as 8 higher than normal when determining his carrying capacity. This bonus does not apply to combat, breaking items, or any other Strength-related rolls, it only
06:18:14 <diebot> contributes to the amount of equipment or material the wearer can carry. Source: Ultimate Equipment
06:19:20 <Avatar> are you buying some muleback cords
06:19:30 <Mekkis> yes
06:19:34 <Mekkis> Ecidon needs them
06:19:45 <Mekkis> !capacity 15
06:19:45 <diebot> Mekkis, 66 if medium, 49.5 if small.
06:21:29 <Avatar> can an eidolon wear them
06:21:35 <Mekkis> yes
06:21:42 <Avatar> where's the faq for that
06:21:56 <Mekkis> no FAQ needed. APG states it
06:22:03 <Mekkis> also, Ecidon is not an eidolon
06:22:25 <Avatar> where
06:22:29 <steven> the only thing an eidolon cant wear is armor
06:24:01 <Avatar> I don't see any text saying it can wear anything
06:25:07 <Mekkis> Link (Ex)
06:25:07 <Mekkis> A summoner and his eidolon share a mental link allows for communication across any distance (as long as they are on the same plane). This communication is a free action, allowing the summoner to give orders to his eidolon at any time. In addition, magic items interfere with the summoner’s connection to his eidolon. As a result, the summoner and his eidolon share magic item slots. For example, if the summoner is wearing a ring, his eidolon can wear no
06:25:07 <Mekkis> more than one ring. In case of a conf lict, the items worn by the summoner remain active, and those used by the eidolon become dormant. The eidolon must possess the appropriate appendages to utilize a magic item.
06:25:19 <Avatar> oh found it
06:25:29 <Avatar> so you won't be wearing a shoulder slot
06:25:39 <Avatar> better to kill you with
06:25:54 <Mekkis> Ecidon is not an eidolon
06:27:01 <Avatar> lies
06:27:19 <Avatar> you're just trying to trick me into thinking you're not a summoner again
06:27:22 <Mekkis> Ecidon's to-hit is lower
06:27:31 <Avatar> because of the whole class isn't important debacle from yesterday
06:35:56 <steven> class totally isnt important.
06:38:48 <Brunius_> Class has an influence, it's not the only influencing factor
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07:25:33 <Mekkis> Avatar, Ari is an animal companion, yes; but she rarely fights
08:02:56 <steven> hey peoples.
08:03:51 <Mekkis> hey
08:03:58 <steven> i think im going to make a character like Doc Holiday.
08:07:44 <steven> nah...
08:08:11 <steven> nevermind, i have enough noncore characters. Wont be able to get another one to 12 for at least another year or two.
08:08:55 <steven> suppose i'll have to design another core character.
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08:10:30 <steven> have a level 3 cleric and a level 2 druid.
08:10:43 <steven> whatcha thinkin mekkis.
08:11:28 <Mekkis> Pathfinder Chronicler
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08:12:34 <steven> I was lookin at that
08:12:40 <Mekkis> starting with Monk
08:13:06 <steven> and then i found out my friend whom i play with all the time is going for that.
08:13:16 <Avatar> 37 degree heat today that should be pretty sweet
08:13:20 <steven> not the monk part though.
08:13:45 <Avatar> or possibly the opposite, who knows
08:14:44 <steven> we try not to step on each others toes with characters we build.
08:15:16 <Mekkis> sorcerer specialising in polymorph
08:15:52 <steven> i like the monk idea.
08:16:17 <steven> i think it will be different enough that he wont think i'm just copying him.
08:17:29 <Mekkis> what do nobility domain clerics receive in place of leadership?
08:18:09 <steven> if memory serves its Persuasive
08:18:34 <steven> it is a fairly weak replacement in my opinion.
08:19:11 <Mekkis> what about the obvious: trickery cleric 1 / wizard 3 / mystic theurge...\
08:20:31 <steven> no.
08:20:48 <steven> I will never use the SLA Early access bullshit.
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08:21:10 <Lintor> ello people
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08:22:56 <steven> i discourage people at the shop from doing it whenever they ask me for advice on builds that are making use of it.
08:23:24 <steven> OH! in other news about the shop... Dude was cheating last night.
08:24:13 <steven> rolled a 4, before reporting it tried to change his roll from a 4 to a 17. One of the players saw him and was like... No, that was a 4. Play right or not at all.
08:28:36 <steven> I think this monk/chronicler has promise.
08:35:30 <steven> Monk 2/Bard3/ChroniclerX?
08:44:03 <steven> Nevermind, I'm now thinking Monk 2 or 3/Paladin 2 or 3/ Chronicler
08:45:11 <steven> suppose i could go Monk 3/Paladin3/Chronicler
09:03:17 <steven> level 6 saves of 11/8/10 Immune to fear, immune to Sleep, Immune to disease, +4 vs enchantment
10:12:44 <Corentheowl> Greetings.
10:13:39 <Corentheowl> I have been playing pathfinder for 5 years now, and it was my first experience with tabletop roleplay
10:14:18 <Corentheowl> I have a fixed group where we take turns on being a GM.
10:14:45 <Corentheowl> either running our own written campaigns, or running some of the excellent paizo modules
10:16:05 <Corentheowl> I wanted to run a longterm campaign, and so i choosed to go with the rise of the runelords setting
10:17:12 <Corentheowl> we have been at it for almost 8 months. we started regularly, but gradually my players started to have less time, due to various reasons.
10:18:08 <Corentheowl> the problem is, i really love to roleplay, and i wish i could play more
10:19:00 <Corentheowl> i tried various meet ups, and ocasional groups around where i live, but it's so casual and uncommited.
10:20:10 <Corentheowl> it becomes very inconscistent due to the fact that the players are never the same
10:20:26 <Corentheowl> so most Gm's run one shots or short campaigns
10:21:36 <Corentheowl> for me that takes away the fun of building your character, and see it grow and level up
10:22:46 <Corentheowl> so, the question is, how can i join a online group via skype or irc, where i can play my characters for a long time?
15:17:13 <Avatar> if you know what classes someone has, you immediately have an idea of what they're capable of
15:29:55 <Mekkis> possibly a mistaken idea
15:30:16 <Mekkis> Grolschmir is a druid
15:33:26 <Avatar> who has an animal companion
15:33:33 <Avatar> and can cast druid spells
16:13:40 <Avatar> 37 degree heat today that should be pretty sweet
16:14:08 <Avatar> or possibly the opposite, who knows
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18:36:15 <Mekkis> moin
18:44:41 <Mekkis> does armour check penalty from encumbrance stack with armour check penalty for armour?
18:48:43 <s_gmusic> not sure. normally you take the highest, though, right?
18:49:00 <steven> If memory serves its the greater of the two.
20:16:53 <Avatar> logic dictates they should stack
20:17:11 <Avatar> not sure what pathfinder dictates
20:29:38 <Brunius_> I'm pretty sure you take the worst of the two
20:30:47 <Avatar> SOURCE?
20:34:48 <Brunius_> If your character is wearing armor, use the worse f igure
20:34:49 <Brunius_> (from armor or from load) for each category. Do not stack
20:34:49 <Brunius_> the penalties
20:34:57 <Brunius_> p169, core rulebook
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20:38:11 <Brunius> GET SOURCED
20:41:13 <Avatar> gg
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21:46:14 <tashes__> these dropouts are ridiculous
21:59:59 <steven> heh
22:11:13 <steven> you having rotton luck tonight
22:31:03 <Tashes> the repairs on my phone line finished yesterday so i dont know what thats about.
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23:54:56 <steven> sup
23:58:25 <Mekkis> played another D&D next session
23:58:30 <Mekkis> fun times
23:59:10 <steven> suuuuuuup
23:59:24 <steven> which one did you do>
23:59:55 <Mekkis> I think it's hoard of the dragon queen, that we're playing through
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