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51:59 <Wrothmonk> what the... can anyone see this?
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38:23 <Maestro> Good day, everyone
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09:39 <Maestro> If only we could all get past this First Steps hump x-x
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10:45 <Wrothmonk> well its being replaced in august.
11:09 <Wrothmonk> so its kinda the last time anyone can play it for credit.
11:52 <Maestro> Meh
12:14 <Maestro> They'll likely replace it with another.
12:26 <Maestro> And it never feels good to abandon my characters just to keep making brand new ones.
12:45 <Maestro> I've got two level 1's with nothing under their belt except the same First Steps :P
26:16 <Maestro> I've got three lvl 1s and 1 level 4
26:59 <Steven> i sadly dont think i saved that inquisitor i used for first steps the other day.
27:45 <Maestro> o.O? Draw it back up.
28:33 <Maestro> I'm leaning towards playing my gunslinger ATM
28:42 <Wrothmonk> I still have yet to play part 3
28:56 <Wrothmonk> I want to see how deadly it is and then never see that stuff again.
29:29 <Mekkis> I need someone to run a 1-2 that I haven't played for my 2
29:31 <Steven> ya hear that mekkis.... you get to kill a gunslinger
29:48 <Mekkis> before or during the scenario?
30:09 <Maestro> I've also been contemplating rolling up a new monk.
30:18 <Maestro> I've got the biggest love/hate relationship with monks.
30:26 <Mekkis> Maestro, why don't you run something for me?
30:35 <Maestro> I've never run anything before
30:47 <Maestro> I'm still pretty green.
31:04 <Mekkis> no time like the present
31:08 <Maestro> I figured I'd try to at least get a character to level 7 before I try to be in charge of things.
31:24 <Mekkis> I started when I had a character at 4
34:18 <Maestro> At the end of the day I still feel like I want to have more experience under my belt before I take that leap.
34:30 <Maestro> I've been thinking of starting once I get settled after the move.
34:41 <Steven> sorry back.
35:00 <Steven> i was talking to my brother about what kind of scotch we are gonna get to celebrate his daughters birth.
35:33 <Steven> he wants a glen moray 12 and im trying to talk him into a dalmore 12
36:11 <Mekkis> Avatar, stay tuned: I plan on running Feast of Sigils sometime next month - maybe the 10th
37:04 <Maestro> lol, I think if it's his kid he gets to choose :P
37:32 <Steven> FALSE MAESTRO!
37:34 <Mekkis> laphroig
37:36 <Steven> he got the choose the cigars.
37:40 <Maestro> o.O?
37:44 <Maestro> XD
37:58 <CWheezy> if it is 1-2 I only have a wizard rogue bard sorc and others
38:07 <CWheezy> a raw cavalier and stuff as well
39:00 <Steven> if we had more money to throw away, we would buy a Glenlivet XXV
39:18 <Steven> but 400 bucks for a bottle is... well insane.
40:02 <Steven> anyways.
40:06 <Steven> whats goin on guys
40:24 <Steven> gonna run you's a game?
41:15 <Steven> my moms moving got put on hold till next week or the week after since susan dropped the baby.  so... im free to dick around tomorrow.
42:01 <Steven> think imma make an oracle of bacon.
42:20 <Yuugi> mmm, bacon
43:24 <Maestro> Mmm...
43:25 <Maestro> bacon.
43:51 <Steven> i want some bacon.
43:58 <Steven> think imma have a BLT for dinner.
44:10 <Yuugi> That sounds so good D:
44:18 <Steven> except...
44:19 <Yuugi> I want some.
44:29 <poundpuppy30> hey folks
44:34 <Steven> im going to put two servings of bacon on it.
44:34 <Yuugi> Hi
45:14 <Maestro> Hey!
45:18 <Maestro> How've you been?
45:55 <Steven> sup Puppy, we are talking about bacon.
46:31 <poundpuppy30> running fs2 if anyone care to come join https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/ccb557926c3e3d3df075907d3f62ad81bb4d0e1f?authuser=0&hl=en
46:58 <Maestro> Can't.
47:05 <Maestro> ALL of my 1st level characters have played it.
47:08 <poundpuppy30> https://app.roll20.net/join/158147/OFScCA
47:17 <poundpuppy30> so make another one lol
47:18 <Steven> meh..... i dunno if i wanna do first steps again.
47:23 <Maestro> It's like eating pizza every day for a month
47:23 <Mekkis> what is it with so many people playing First Steps
47:25 <Maestro> I'm tired.
47:35 <Maestro> Mekkis: They're phasing it out, I hear
47:41 <Maestro> Too many people grinding it for free XP
47:53 <poundpuppy30> i go tme 3 new ones other day but need to make tables for it
49:05 <Steven> i will be back in like 5 minutes, im going to cook some bacon.
49:15 <Steven> BLT INC!
49:33 <Maestro> x-x
51:32 <poundpuppy30> ive a few spots open if anyone cares to come, we start in 30 minutes
51:36 <poundpuppy30> so later
51:43 <poundpuppy30> https://app.roll20.net/join/158147/OFScCA
51:56 <Steven> room mate heard me ritualistically chanting bacon bacon bacon
51:59 <Steven> and he came out of his room
52:12 <Steven> "Dude, i ate all the bacon.  I will go get more."
52:30 <Yuugi> haha
52:35 <Yuugi> Awesome roommate
52:53 <Maestro> First Steps 3?
52:54 <Steven> yeah, they are pretty cool
53:05 <Maestro> I'm not sure if I've ever played it or not.
53:28 <Maestro> Cool roommate
53:35 <Maestro> I've been having awful luck with roommates lately.
53:38 <Maestro> The first Pathifnder I ever played I think was Crypt of the Everflame.
53:49 <Maestro> Jumped my character up to level 2 coming right out of the gate.
53:50 <Maestro> They did all of the eating and none of the buying
54:02 <Mekkis> I've been having great luck
54:20 <Steven> yeah, we dont really have that problem at all.  We just do the community thing.
54:35 <Steven> luckily all of our "Mine only' foods are pretty exclusive
54:35 <Mekkis> they went to Europe for three weeks leaving me with a fully stocked fridge, half a bottle of red wine, and a freezer that's literally packed.
54:39 <Maestro> That's always the greatest method-- when everyone contributes.
54:50 <Wrothmonk> heh
54:55 <Wrothmonk> for me it was tide of morning
55:01 <Wrothmonk> season 0 scenario
55:04 <Steven> like mine is cheese-itz, and they hate cheese itz
55:38 <Steven> hers is tapioca pudding, which i just absolutely fucking hate.
56:35 <Steven> and his is basically salads, which im not a big fan of salads.
56:44 <Steven> well not his salads.
56:58 <Steven> he uses iceberg lettuce, which.... right up there with tapioca pudding
57:29 <Maestro> So… I hear we're playing Godsmouth Heresy.
57:34 <Maestro> Who's running again?
57:50 <Steven> 1
57:51 <Steven> 2
57:51 <Steven> 3
57:53 <Steven>  not it
58:39 <Maestro> lol maybe that's why Mekkis was so keen on recruiting ^^"
00:01 <Mekkis> I thought we only had two players
02:35 <Maestro> Oh, I thought we had more lurking.
02:52 <Maestro> Players aren't hard to find.
03:03 <Maestro> Especially if your'e running for lvl 1 characters
03:08 <CWheezy> how long is the module?
03:16 <CWheezy> I would have played it if we started two hours ago I think
03:19 <Mekkis> too long to justify running now
03:24 <CWheezy> yeah
04:02 <Mekkis> unless it's for a table of very experienced players
07:15 <Steven> think its time for some skyrim
08:24 <Steven> !rand Magic Melee Stealth
08:24 <dicebot> Steven, random: Magic
08:31 <Steven> looks like im makin a mage in skyrim
09:22 <Mekkis> thank god
09:29 <Maestro> What's up?
09:36 <Mekkis> people have been blatantly abusing the First Steps series
09:51 <Mekkis> Playing through all three in about 2 hours, skipping everything
10:14 <Mekkis> why not all three?
10:29 <Steven> eventually it will be, but gotta start somewhere
10:46 <Mekkis> why not archery?
11:01 <Steven> thats stealth, headshottin all day
11:25 <Mekkis> how many random mods have you added to your skyrim?
11:28 <Maestro> Ah, I see
11:38 <Steven> no mods
11:56 <Maestro> Sorry we couldn't run the game, guys.
13:21 <Steven> hmmm.... gotta pick me a race
13:34 <CWheezy> nord
13:38 <CWheezy> skyrim belongs to the nords
13:58 <Steven> yeah, totes gonna go emire
14:01 <Steven> empire
15:03 <Steven> goin high elf
15:57 <Maestro> That, too
16:05 <Maestro> Everyone seems to just grind it for XP
16:05 <Mekkis> people like Steven
17:31 <Maestro> Damn
17:41 <Maestro> There's a game going on tomorrow, but I'm 1 XP away from being in-tier x-x
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18:42 <Yuugi> So, I did a test run on roll20 for having a player do mapping and it works very well.
19:22 <Maestro> roll20 is pretty slick
19:33 <CWheezy> yeah it is nice
22:24 <Yuugi> Player's have the brush option to whiteboard stuff.
22:30 <Yuugi> So that's one thing solved.
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23:11 <Yuugi> Now I just have to figure out how to do the caller thing.
25:15 <Yuugi> Man, I wish I wasn't going on vacation :(
25:33 <Maestro> I will start running sessions as well once I'm done with the move.
25:51 <Maestro> Right now I can't be spending money on scenarios and modules.
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49:55 <Steven> note to self... dont fuck with the glowy wispy lady
01:24 <Mekkis> Avatar, what's your opinion of &Rime Spell
01:40 <diebot> RIME SPELL [Metamagic] Creatures damaged by your spells with the cold descriptor become entangled.
01:41 <diebot> Benefit:  The frost of your cold spell clings to the target, impeding it for a short time. A rime spell causes creatures that takes cold damage from the spell to become entangled for a number of rounds equal to the original level of the spell. This feat only affects spells with the cold descriptor. A rime spell uses up a spell slot one level
01:41 <diebot> higher than the spell's actual level. Source: UM
02:22 <Avatar> I don't like metamagic feats
02:37 <CWheezy> in terms of power or gameplay
02:44 <Mekkis> I was more talking from a GM's perspective
02:52 <Mekkis> it seems to be effectively Entangle, no save
03:03 <Mekkis> ?entangled
03:04 <diebot> Mekkis, The character is ensnared. Being entangled impedes movement, but does not entirely prevent it unless the bonds are anchored to an immobile object or tethered by an opposing force. An entangled creature moves at half speed, cannot run or charge, and takes a 2 penalty on all attack rolls and a 4 penalty to Dexterity. An entangled character
03:04 <diebot> who attempts to cast a spell must make a concentration check (DC 15 + spell level) or lose the spell.
03:06 <CWheezy> well it is for spells
03:20 <CWheezy> so if it is super amazing then of course a caster gets it
08:32 <Yuugi> Anyone here?
09:03 <Yuugi> I wrote up the character creation rules for the D&D Basic game.
10:09 <Yuugi> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewcamp.php5?v=41
11:44 <Mekkis> it feels rather overpowered
15:57 <CWheezy> yep
16:24 <CWheezy> although tbh the list of things metamagic does to you, entangle is one of the lesser ones
19:50 <Mekkis> no. save.
20:50 <Avatar> isn't that only if you use it with a spell that has no save
20:59 <Mekkis> nope
21:06 <Avatar> why not
21:20 <CWheezy> you say no save like the wizard doesn't already have a lot of no saves
21:22 <Mekkis> as long as they take cold damage, they're entangled
21:23 <Avatar> surely if you save on the spell then you save on the feat as well
21:36 <Mekkis> CWheezy, like what?
21:40 <CWheezy> summon monster
22:13 <Mekkis> sure, but it's not fully directly offensive
22:16 <Avatar> I guess with a ray attack or a reflex half spell it still works
22:25 <Avatar> if the ray hits
22:27 <CWheezy> at least with entangled, you can still attack
22:33 <CWheezy> they could be using dazing spell
22:36 <CWheezy> no save, oh you lose now
22:38 <Mekkis> that has a save
22:45 <Mekkis> !feat dazing spell
22:46 <diebot> Mekkis, DAZING SPELL [Metamagic] You can daze creatures with the power of your spells.
22:46 <diebot> Benefit:  You can modify a spell to daze a creature damaged by the spell. When a creature takes damage from this spell, they become dazed for a number of rounds equal to the original level of the spell. If the spell allows a saving throw, a successful save negates the daze effect. If the spell does not allow a save, the target can make a Will
22:46 <diebot> save to negate the daze effect. If the spell effect also causes the creature to become dazed, the duration of this metamagic effect is added to the duration of the spell. A dazing spell uses up a spell slot three levels higher than the spell's actual level. Spells that do not inflict damage do not benefit from this feat. Source: APG
22:56 <CWheezy> oh yeah
22:59 <CWheezy> nvm
23:04 <CWheezy> well, it makes fireball from save or damage
23:06 <CWheezy> to save or die
23:39 <CWheezy> being entangled for many monsters is not the biggest deal
23:53 <Mekkis> can't charge. That's a big thing
23:58 <Mekkis> penalties to AC too.
24:14 <CWheezy> you can still fly
24:34 <CWheezy> and can still five foot step I think
24:39 <Mekkis> nope
24:48 <Mekkis> you can't 5' step if your movement is impeded
25:18 <CWheezy> You can only take a 5-foot-step if your movement isn't hampered by difficult terrain or darkness
25:24 <CWheezy> it isn't difficult terrain
25:39 <CWheezy> so yes, you still can
25:58 <CWheezy> ill omen is no save
26:05 <CWheezy> get a wand if ill omen
26:09 <CWheezy> improved familiar
26:16 <CWheezy> oh the bad guy has to roll his save or die twice
26:51 <CWheezy> maze is no save but you don't deal with that in pfs, ha
27:42 <CWheezy> glitterdust is no save for the anti invis
28:44 <CWheezy> I am not saying it is bad
28:51 <CWheezy> I am just saying that it is par for the course relaly
28:53 <CWheezy> relly
28:56 <CWheezy> spelling
29:12 <Avatar> yeah cwheezy is right, only can't take 5ft steps in difficult terrain or darkness
29:33 <Avatar> put that on the list of things to remember
31:25 <Mekkis> I will
31:45 <Avatar> good
33:32 <Mekkis> Avatar, I intend to run Feast of Sigils next month
33:49 <Mekkis> Most likely on the 10th, but I'll know for certain this Thursday
34:06 <Mekkis> hopefully that'll push Buck over to 12th
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32:13 <Yuugi> Hi Wrothmonk 
32:21 <Wrothmonk>  Hello
32:28 <Yuugi> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewcamp.php5?v=41
54:01 <Wrothmonk> what is the sourcebook?
54:25 <Yuugi> oh, the Moldvay Basic book
54:42 <Yuugi> I should put that up.
58:51 <Yuugi> there
59:01 <Yuugi> I put up the book info
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39:25 <Yuugi> Er, I wonder if I should also run like sort of solo intro adventures for those who are completely unfamiliar with Basic...
39:29 <Yuugi> Or if it'll be okay.
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05:20 <Longshot> should i take 14 STR 16 DEX on a zen archer monk or 16 DEX 14 STR
05:31 <Longshot> I mean 16 STR 14 DEX on the 2nd one
05:49 <Yuugi> 5 STR 5 DEX!
06:51 <Yuugi> This is another thing that's wrong with D&D, in my opinion.
06:58 <Longshot> its the difference between better damage vs better AC, reflex, and initiative
07:10 <Yuugi> Does it really matter?
07:17 <Longshot> To me? Yes haha
07:26 <Yuugi> The difference in modifiers is so small it doesn't matter.
07:33 <Yuugi> 16 = +3
07:34 <Longshot> What doesn't matter to you might matter to other people, since humanity isn't singular mate
07:37 <Yuugi> 14 = +2
07:45 <Yuugi> That's a difference of +1
07:50 <Yuugi> Between STR and DEX
08:04 <Yuugi> Also as a Monk you use WIS for AC
08:08 <Yuugi> So
08:12 <Longshot> You use wis and dex.
08:21 <Longshot> not wis instead of
08:59 <Yuugi> meh
09:20 <Yuugi> Then the question you need to answer is if you want more protection or more damage.
09:27 <Yuugi> Because you can't have both.
10:01 <Goya> I would take DEX over STR for AC and HIT bonus.  STR really only gives damage bonus on composite bows. 
10:05 <Longshot> and a difference of plus 1 makes a difference. If a +1 doesn't make a difference then most traits and tons of feats don't make a difference.
10:36 <Longshot> well of course he will get the composite bow eventually though
10:37 <Yuugi> It doesn't make a difference in the base ability scores
10:52 <Yuugi> The feats and traits make that +1 a +2
10:57 <Yuugi> Which starts making a difference
11:17 <Goya> Since you have no armor - DEX AC bonus (combined with WIS) is nice. 
11:33 <Yuugi> Yes, but it all depends on what Longshot wants to play.
11:47 <Yuugi> If he wants someone who hits harder, he'll have to forgo some of the defense.
12:15 <Yuugi> Roleplay-wise, it makes sense for someone who trained hard as a zen archer to be less sturdy than someone who trained his body as a kung fu master
12:27 <Goya> True. 
12:27 <Yuugi> But, again, it's up to Longshot. Maybe he wants more defense?
12:52 <Longshot> all my cash is going towards defense. The archetype and the bonus feats is really all the offense you need to be awesome.
13:03 <Yuugi> Well, there you go!
13:10 <Goya> But - with Flurry of Blows on the bow - there's still plenty of opportunity of damage. 
13:13 <Longshot> It's an overpowered archetype, really,  some guy is actually trying to get it taken out of PFS i'm pretty sure
13:21 <Yuugi> >_>
13:30 <Goya> Zen Archer is my favorite class so far. =) 
13:41 <Longshot> I just like anything that shoots stuff.
13:49 <Longshot> particularly with bows.
13:58 <Longshot> bow junkie.
14:02 <Yuugi> No gunslingers?
14:09 <Longshot> meh, they're alright.
14:29 <Goya> I'm a bit weary of gunslingers - they look good and all.. But.. *shrugs* 
15:11 <Longshot> I think i'm going to go with dex.
15:25 <Yuugi> Ok.
16:15 <Yuugi> I think
16:23 <Yuugi> I might do this differently for my game.
16:32 <Yuugi> Instead of drawing out the map myself, I'll just describe the rooms
16:40 <Yuugi> And have a player as a designated mapper
16:43 <Yuugi> Possibly.
16:46 <Yuugi> Hrm.
16:58 <Longshot> I *really* wish that you could play svirfneblin in PFS
17:04 <Longshot> they would make awesome zen archers.
17:19 <Yuugi> What's wrong with Human Zen Archers?
17:24 <Goya> Dwarf Zen Archer is pretty impressive. 
18:03 <Goya> Humans are good too.  
18:14 <Longshot> I'm taking human so I can do +2 to wis and do another +2 in dex or STR. Because I don't particularly need the extra feat of skill tbh
18:41 <Yuugi> I thought Humans only got +2 to one score
18:48 <Goya> They do. 
18:53 <Longshot> Dwarf I don't like because you can get something like a belt of dwarvenkind and get all the benefits of being a dwarf but there is no belt of human kind
18:58 <Longshot> alternate racial trait
19:03 <Yuugi> oh
19:16 <Longshot> trade in the extra skill point and extra feat for an addition +2 to another score
19:25 <Yuugi> I see.
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19:42 <Longshot> Most times the extra feat is better.
19:45 <Goya> Hrm.  Extra feat is nice for level 1 though.. 
19:50 <Longshot> But ZAMs don't need feats, really.
19:57 <Longshot> All they need they get from their archetype
20:13 <Longshot> Only one I'm really itching for is deadly aim at level 3
20:31 <Longshot> others are just gonna be stuff like dodge and defensive combat maneuvers
20:44 <Longshot> improved reflexes and the like
21:41 <Goya> Precise Shot is pretty nice too. 
22:00 <Longshot> I really really like the svirfneblin class. +3 to AC and +2 to all saving throws. It's awesome.
22:05 <Longshot> And yeah, that was my level 1
22:10 <Longshot> but it was a bonus feat
22:14 <Longshot> from the archetype
22:18 <Goya> *nods*  
22:25 <Longshot> I took toughness as my real level 1
22:50 <Longshot> again, they don't really need anything else
22:58 <Goya> PBS?
23:04 <Longshot> offensively, at least
23:11 <Longshot> Get it at level 2 with bonus feat.
23:15 <Goya> *nods* 
23:28 <Longshot> Point blank master for free at level 3.
23:37 <Longshot> Improved precise shot for free at level 6.
23:46 <Yuugi> What did you name your character?
23:48 <Longshot> Can't use rapidshot or manyshot anyways.
24:33 <Longshot> Was going to go with grimgor back when I had him as a dwarf (before I learned about dwarvenkind gear), don't know what I'm changing it to now that I'm making him human
24:44 <Longshot> Maybe something asian-ish
25:21 <Yuugi> May I make a suggestion?
25:47 <Longshot> Go for it.
26:00 <Yuugi> Zanshin
26:26 <Longshot> Does that mean something or is it just a creation from your brain.
26:30 <Longshot> ?*
26:53 <Goya> Be Andoran and take Hunter's Eye as a trait. ;) 
26:59 <Yuugi> It's from Kyudo
27:10 <Yuugi> The Japanese Archery Martial Art
27:26 <Yuugi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanshin
27:44 <Longshot> Hey, sweet
27:55 <Longshot> I was just gonna translate longshot to japanese or something haha
28:00 <Longshot> But I like zanshin
28:30 <Goya> *nods* Great name. 
29:32 <Longshot> And why would I take hunter's eye? I already get longbow proficiency :P
30:16 <Goya> You get twice the distance for free (no penalty). 
30:46 <Longshot> Zen Archers can do that with ki. Besides, it's super rare to ever have to shoot anything further away than 100 feet anyways.
31:00 <Longshot> From my understanding.
31:14 <Goya> True.
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11:56 <Longshot> http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz4h14oWDg1r7ldh5o1_500.jpg
15:00 <Goya> Heh
17:51 <Yuugi> How would you guys feel if you were forced to draw maps in roll20?
18:39 <Longshot> I would say something along the lines of "stop being lazy, mr. gm"
19:04 <Yuugi> Wow
19:06 <Yuugi> Really?
19:20 <Longshot> *shrugs*
19:27 <Longshot> It's part of the job description
19:37 <Longshot> Can you not import maps into d20 like you can in devCA?
20:01 <Yuugi> . . . no
20:07 <Yuugi> It's not part of the DM's job to do the map.
20:20 <Yuugi> Technically, it's the player's job.
20:54 <Yuugi> "At the start of the game, the players enter the dungeon and the DM describes what the characters can see. One player should draw a map from the DM's descriptions; that player is called the mapper. As the player characters move further into the dungeon, more and more of the dungeon is mapped. Eventually, the DM's map and the players' map will look more or less alike."
20:57 <Longshot> Uh, so I'm just going to open up the pathfinder module to see the map and any secret doors that might just happen to be on it while im drawing it?
21:05 <Yuugi> It's also easier to keep hidden areas hidden.
21:08 <Yuugi> No?
21:26 <Yuugi> It works as the DM telling you what the room looks like and you draw it out.
21:52 <Yuugi> I mean, technically I could draw it out too, but it'd take up valuable DM time.
22:25 <Yuugi> See, this is what's wrong with D&D today. Player entitlement >_>
22:29 <Longshot> and it wouldn't take up player time? Seems like it would take more time, because if they draw some super important to the module part wrong, then you have to spend time telling them to fix it
22:38 <Yuugi> I mean, why should you guys have access to the full map of a dungeon?
22:59 <Longshot> Dude, if you don't like the game, play a different one haha
23:01 <Yuugi> It'd make more sense both from a mechanics and a roleplaying perspective if you guys had to map it
23:06 <Yuugi> While going through it.
23:24 * Yuugi shrugs.
23:26 <Yuugi> I don't hate the game.
23:35 <Longshot> It would also add about 1-2 hours to any table top game and at least 2 to any game online
23:36 <Yuugi> I just dislike what the players have done to it >_>
23:44 <Yuugi> Uh
23:47 <Yuugi> Not really?
23:57 <Yuugi> All the player is doing is drawing squares
24:02 <Yuugi> For rooms
24:05 <Yuugi> Maybe some doors
24:19 <Yuugi> It shouldn't take hours.
26:17 <Goya> Players are generally the 'slowest' part of the game to begin with.. 
26:27 <Yuugi> How come?
26:39 <Yuugi> There's also a way to try and fix that, but first I want to hear opinions.
26:52 <Goya> Decisions, arguments, beer breaks, discussion, etc. 
27:04 <Yuugi> right
27:14 <Yuugi> Which is why it's good to have a caller.
27:34 <Goya> I'm not saying drawing a map is bad - but it would probably be easier for the DM to sketch the map out (e.g. dry erase / etc) roughly - than try to have the characters interpret the room description. 
28:12 <Yuugi> Not the characters. One player.
28:16 <Goya> "No - the door is on the NW wall - that's the SE wall."  That sort of thing wouldn't happen if the DM sketched the 'immediate area' out - instead of relying on teh players. 
28:26 <Goya> *the
28:37 <Longshot> If you want the players to draw it out with any kind of accuracy it will.
28:37 <Longshot> You say there's webs to the south, they realize it might hamper their progress and put it in only one or two squares
28:37 <Longshot> also makes things like traps with specific pressure panels on the floor impossible
28:37 <Longshot> and of course there is player entitlement. If there are no players, there is no game. Players with no gm, someone can always stand in or take turns. A gm with no players, nothing happens.
29:13 <Yuugi> Same with players and no gm
29:17 <Yuugi> It's a two-way street
29:20 <Yuugi> Also...
29:21 <Goya> Touche. 
29:27 <Yuugi> There are MORE players than GMs
29:29 <Yuugi> So
29:36 <Yuugi> It'd behoove players to maybe be a little more flexible
29:45 <Yuugi> Also!
29:57 <Yuugi> I can still do pressure plates because I'll have the map with the secrets on it
30:03 <Yuugi> I'll just announce when they hit the trap
30:22 <Goya> I'm not against maps - but - I'll throw something out there that happened at the con a few weeks ago that's tangentally related.. 
31:24 <Longshot> but their map wouldn't match yours
31:30 <Goya> Quest had an 'encoded message' and clues.  One player (literally) spent nearly 1/2 the session manually decoding the message - and wasn't really even focused on the game.  Was it bad?  No - certainly not - but I would argue the message was inconsequential - and the time spent could have been better applied to the 'party'. 
31:37 <Yuugi> Not 100%, but that's also realistic for roleplaying purposes
31:49 <Yuugi> They are basically exploring uncharted land
31:55 <Yuugi> They are charting maps.
32:18 <Goya> Yes - but if the DM draws out the 'immediate area' - then it doesn't leave room for player error (which is bound to happen)
32:32 <Yuugi> It makes things more interesting.
32:46 <Yuugi> Besides, if people can't tell what's North or South there's a bigger problem than human error
33:53 <Goya> *shrugs* I like the 'dry erase' maps. Doesn't take the GM too long - and still gives the 'fog of war' effect. 
34:32 <Yuugi> except online that fog of war effect is cumbersome.
34:39 <Yuugi> Especially on VTTs
34:50 <Yuugi> I /could/ do it.
34:56 <Yuugi> By putting on a secret layer of the original map
34:57 <Goya> Doesn't Google+ have a whiteboard or something?
34:59 <Yuugi> And then drawing over it myself
35:07 <Yuugi> So the players only see the drawn parts
35:23 <Yuugi> But, again, that's a lot of work to do for me. Especially since I'm not ripping the map from the pdf
35:30 <Yuugi> And drawing both maps by hand.
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36:55 <Yuugi> IRL with whiteboards it's easier because you have the map already drawn for you, the GM
37:03 <Yuugi> And are just tracing it out on the whiteboard as you go.
37:21 <Yuugi> (Although what I'm suggesting is just that the players trace it out on like grid paper)
37:27 <Yuugi> (Instead of the GM)
37:42 <Yuugi> And by players I mean one.
38:02 <Yuugi> One player will be the mapper who takes my descriptions and maps them.
39:09 <Goya> https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/scoot-doodle/iheciemhkoelchaleefghbiocpijgdca?utm_campaign=en&utm_source=en-et-na-us-oc-webstrapp&utm_medium=et
39:17 <Goya> Why not something like that?
39:29 <Yuugi> For instance, I say "This is an octagonal room, 30 feet in diameter. The floor is dirt; the walls and domed ceiling are made of stone. A 2-foot high platform covers the far half of the room. A set of stairs leads downward on each side of the platform. In the center of the platform rests a statue of a man sitting with his legs crossed. He appears very strong and has a long beard. The statue...
39:30 <Yuugi> ...is 15 feet tall."
39:49 <Yuugi> Because VTTs are superior for doodling.
40:08 <Goya> So doodle on a VTT then?
40:23 <Yuugi> I am, but it still poses these problems.
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41:50 <Yuugi> The solution is either that I take time away from descriptions to draw the map as we go along, or I draw BOTH maps, one before the game and one during... or that I have the mapper draw out the map from my descriptions.
42:46 <Goya> You should have a map already though (the master). You only need to draw the 'during' map (or doodle it, whatever).
43:06 <Yuugi> Yes
43:14 <Yuugi> But that's time-consuming for the GM.
43:39 <Yuugi> Time better spent on descriptions or rulings.
44:12 <Goya> By your description - I have no idea where the '2 foot platform' is on the 'far side of the room'.  It doesn't take THAT long to draw an octagon, a circle in the center (statue) - and a line or box for the '2 foot platform'. 
44:39 <Yuugi> >_>
44:41 <Yuugi> Really?
44:51 <Goya> The players could certainly do the work - I'm not saying they can't - but it will be 'accurate' if the DM does it. 
45:01 <Yuugi> Well, see, if it doesn't take taht long to draw an octagon the player can do it too :P
45:20 <Goya> But it would be more accurate (and less prone to error) if the DM does it. 
45:32 <Longshot> Whats the difference between taking 5 minutes for you to draw it and taking 5 minutes for the players to draw it? 
45:55 <Yuugi> . . . less than a minute, actually.
45:57 <Longshot> Point number 2: If the players draw it, that's another thing for them to argue about 
46:03 <Yuugi> Nope
46:10 <Yuugi> One player draws it and his word is final.
46:22 <Goya> The players are already slowing things down with arguments, discussion, et al. 
46:25 <Yuugi> If the others don't like it then tough.
46:30 <Longshot> So one player gets more power and responsibility than all the others?
46:40 <Yuugi> To map things, yes.
46:48 <Yuugi> Just like I'd pick one player to be the caller
46:49 <Goya> "We fell into the sarlacc pit because Gaydor couldn't draw a f*ing map!". ;) 
47:05 <Longshot> So do it then. Just not in PFS.
47:24 <Yuugi> Just not with you as a player, I guess.
47:27 <Yuugi> That's okay.
47:43 <Goya> This actually looks promising - since everyone uses skype already: http://idroo.com/
47:49 <Goya> Regardless of WHO draws the map. 
48:09 <Yuugi> Heh, well, roll20 also has voice chat
48:17 <Yuugi> It's really a great VTT
48:54 <Longshot> Just not a house rule i'm interested in. People make house rules all the time. I like some, don't like others.
49:03 <Yuugi> It's not a house rule
49:12 <Goya> I've seen it - though I haven't used it.  Or Fantasy Grounds.. Or..
49:13 <Yuugi> This is straight from the Moldvay Basic Rulebook
49:16 <Yuugi> It's core rules
49:21 <Yuugi> From TSR
49:37 <Yuugi> This is how you played.
51:07 <Longshot> ok, pathfinder is PAIZO, not PSR
51:19 <Yuugi> You're still wrong.
51:35 <Yuugi> It's only the GM's responsibility to have the maps for the dungeons he is using.
51:43 <Yuugi> Not to draw them out for the players.
52:00 <Longshot> ok whatever
52:05 <Yuugi> The only reason people rip images off PDFs and uploading them as maps is because they are lazy.
52:17 <Yuugi> Especially since you can still see all the room keys
52:18 <Goya> And it tends to speed the game up.. ;) 
52:21 <Yuugi> And secret doors
52:24 <Yuugi> And traps
52:34 <Yuugi> Unless you do editing or the publishers gave you a special PDF map
52:41 <Yuugi> Which just encourages this type of laziness.
52:50 <Longshot> so every gen con, comic book store, and any other event I've been to were PROFESSIONALS are dms, when the DM draws the maps out, they're doing it wrong
52:59 <Longshot> Sounds like everyone is wrong but you mate, we need to spread the word!
53:24 <Yuugi> Apparently.
53:47 <Yuugi> There is also a HUGE difference between drawing maps
53:51 <Yuugi> And having stuff like map tiles
54:05 <Yuugi> Where it's already all layed out in cardboard cutouts or whatever on the table.
54:13 <Yuugi> So you can't really compare them.
54:41 <Longshot> Most games I've played are on white erase boards with grids with dry erase markers.
55:02 <Longshot> I've used tiles once.
55:21 <Yuugi> Weird. Every DM I know has their players make a map.
55:41 <Yuugi> They may interject if someone is really spatially retarded
56:03 <Yuugi> But, normally, they don't give their maps away to the players for free.
56:18 <Longshot> I've never seen it happen or even heard of it happening that way until now.
56:30 <Yuugi> What country you in?
56:35 <Longshot> US of A.
56:42 <Yuugi> Maybe it's a US thing?
56:42 <Longshot> In pathfinder or 3.5.
56:44 <Yuugi> I'm Canadian.
56:48 * Yuugi shrugs.
57:03 <Yuugi> My experience has been Pathfinder and 3.5 too
02:00 <Goya> The few games I've played - most have been dry-erase mats. 
02:31 <Goya> The only game NOT on dry erase was a 'gencon' special thing that had pre-done maps (without trapdoors, etc). 
03:16 <Goya> The ONE online game I played did have a 'pregen' map though - with 'fog of war'. 
04:13 <Yuugi> I don't really like the online fog of war or lighting things most of the time. I think they're harder for me to use than just drawing stuff out as you go along.
05:03 <Goya> *nods* I would agree - whiteboard app seems more in-line with the 'tabletop' thing - without spending a ton of time prepping/layering pregen maps. 
05:46 <Yuugi> I guess it's just the attitude. I don't really want the players to be waiting on me, but I'm fine with waiting on them.
06:14 <Goya> Players seldom wait on the GM though... It's usually quite the opposite. 
06:34 <Yuugi> However, by pausing to draw the maps myself I'm making them wait for me to continue the game. Whereas, if one of them is doing it they can easily combine it into their time they take to decide what to do and stuff.
06:42 <Yuugi> lol
16:02 <Yuugi> Anyway, I'll be asking the players for their opinions about whether they want a mapper or a caller or not.
16:34 <Yuugi> Without them it'll slow down sessions, I believe, but I can work with it if everyone is against it.
20:22 <Goya> You get any players for the campaign yet?
21:13 <Yuugi> I have 2 in another server, another prospective one in another server, and I think I got two takers here?
21:19 <Yuugi> Wrothmonk and
21:22 <Yuugi> Mekkis?
21:28 <Yuugi> I think.
21:31 <Goya> *nods* Almost full then.  Congrats! =) 
21:41 <Yuugi> eh, I can accomodate up to 8 players
21:55 <Goya> Oh.. Still.  Not bad. 
22:14 <Goya> Two other IRC servers?  
22:28 <Longshot> i wouldn't do more than 6
23:19 <Longshot> even over the table more than 6 gets rough with people talking over each other and the like. online its worse.
23:47 <Yuugi> That's what the caller is for.
29:54 <Yuugi> See, the idea is that the players are supposed to talk stragety amongst themselves and stuff
30:03 <Yuugi> To what to do next and things
30:18 <Yuugi> But to save time instead of asking each one or doing it in turn they all decide together
30:29 <Yuugi> And then the one appointed player who is the caller
30:40 <Yuugi> Will basically sum it up for me and relate what the party decided on together
30:50 <Yuugi> And then we'll go from there.
31:06 <Yuugi> Thus having 8 players is a possibility.
31:07 <Longshot> Uh...?
31:15 <Goya> That's one way to do it I suppose. 
31:22 <Longshot> No it's not. 
31:30 <Yuugi> Lol, Longshot 
31:39 <Longshot> This is a turn based game, each player needs to do their own turn?
31:41 <Yuugi> I think you're just being disagreeable now. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.
32:08 <Yuugi> It is only a turn based game in combat.
32:28 <Longshot> I'm not being disagreeable, I think you are just trying to make unnecessary changes to a system that has been shown to work the way it is. 
32:28 <Goya> (Which is technically what most people play for)
32:32 <Yuugi> For every situation outside of combat there are no real turns. The turns become blended into each other
33:06 <Yuugi> each combat turn in Pathfinder is 6 seconds long, are you telling me that you play with a stopwatch for 6 seconds every turn even when outside of combat?
33:51 <Longshot> So essentially, you want the caller to have to deal with 8 people talking over each other so you can just talk to one person instead of you having to deal with 8 people talking over each other.
34:00 <Yuugi> no
34:05 <Yuugi> I want 8 people to work as a team
34:09 <Yuugi> Decide what to do together
34:14 <Yuugi> And then tell me through one person
34:24 <Yuugi> instead of wasting time asking each member what the team decided to do
34:38 <Goya> You don't ask each member - they chat (in real time) and come to a conclusion. 
34:53 <Yuugi> Right.
34:58 <Goya> Or at least - a majority decision - and let the stragglers try to do what they will. 
35:40 <Yuugi> That's exactly what I'm proposing.
35:52 <Goya> That's what normally happens. 
35:56 <Yuugi> Although stragglers with this will tend to be more kept in line.
35:59 <Yuugi> And no.
36:17 <Yuugi> What normally happens is the DM goes through each player and asks them what they want their character to do
36:24 <Yuugi> And then has to put it all together
36:32 <Yuugi> In some kind of summary him or her self
36:47 <Yuugi> All I'm proposing is that the summary come from the party instead, to make things simpler.
36:47 <Goya> Only in combat - most DMs let the party chit-chat and summarize/act in "downtime". 
37:18 <Longshot> It still doesn't answer the problem that 8 people talking over each other is going to be a mess. Caller or not.
37:24 <Longshot> But do what you want, hope it thrives.
37:29 <Yuugi> Thanks.
38:04 <Yuugi> Also, I don't really understand this "talking over each other" Why would you need to do that?
38:16 <Yuugi> There's no reason to interrupt each other.
38:22 <Longshot> In the decision making process.
38:29 <Yuugi> yeah
38:54 <Longshot> People are going to have different ideas of what to do, more people=more ideas to sort through
39:11 <Goya> That's what happens on Skype - intentional or not. There are no visual cues as to when people want to interject/comment - so it CAN be a situation where everyone tries to talk over one another.
39:19 <Yuugi> Yes, but that's no reason for them to be rude and try to talk over someone else.
39:39 <Yuugi> oh
39:50 <Longshot> And when you get more than 6 (more than 4-5 in my opinion really) there are going to be the super dominant personalities, and the people who aren't generally so loud and brash get left out because they don't want to have to deal with trying to argue with the more dominant players
39:58 <Yuugi> Well, then I think it'd be resolved pretty quickly if people are nice enough to let someone else go first.
40:10 <Yuugi> Nobody is getting left out.
40:24 <Yuugi> The point of the caller is that he or she is the one who gets to tell the stuff to the DM.
40:35 <Longshot> It's not about being nice enough, its about the fact that most voice servers mute everyone else while yo uare making noise to prevent feedback, so you can't hear when someone else wants to say something.
40:36 <Yuugi> I'm not going to listen to whoever barks the loudest and most frequent.
41:43 <Goya> What if the 'barker' is the 'caller'? =) 
41:51 <Yuugi> It doesn't matter.
42:17 <Yuugi> These are just matters of simple politeness and courtesy 
42:41 <Goya> Erm.. This is the internet. Those old school paradigms don't exist here. ;) 
42:47 <Yuugi> The caller should get ideas from everyone in the party, and ask if everyone is ready or whatever, before relaying it to the DM.
42:57 <Yuugi> If they can't even do that then why play a cooperative game like D&D?
43:18 <Goya> Because it's fun?
43:21 <Yuugi> It's not a problem with the idea of a caller, but the personality of an abusive and bad player.
43:53 <Longshot> Usually there *is* a caller, there is just no title for it and it changes depending on the day or even the room we're in
44:22 <Longshot> Or you know, the dm just listens to the conversation they're having and pays attention, and when they make a decision he says "ok, so you're gonna do that, then?"
44:34 <Goya> It's not really 'formalized' - but someone generally relays the consensus of the party.  Same idea - less structure. 
47:24 <Goya> The mapping/point-caller stuff might work great - but you should definitely allow for a lot of room for the party to be 'organic' - since that's where most of the fun comes from.
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09:09 <Longshot> http://dungeonsmaster.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/tbbt-03.jpg
09:33 <Longshot> my favorite tv show mixed with pathfinder muah ha ha
18:03 <Goya> Hah!  That's good. 
38:48 <Avatar> that is not a good tv show
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39:21 <Longshot> it's a GREAT tv show
39:35 <Longshot> so, yes, you're right, it's not just good :D
39:38 <Goya> I enjoy it...
40:20 <Longshot> It's the best sitcom on american tv right now in my opinion.
40:32 <Goya> Probably. But - that's not saying TOO much. 
40:45 <Longshot> And tied for best drama: Walking Dead and Breaking Bad
41:11 <Goya> What about Game of Thrones?
41:21 <Longshot> And that one.
41:31 <Longshot> But mostly Walking Dead and Breaking Bad.
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42:20 <Longshot> I mean, chemistry teacher that starts cooking meth to support his autistic kid because he has a terminal illness. What a character concept.
42:58 <Goya> I've only seen the first 1-2 episodes. But - what I saw was decent. 
42:58 <Longshot> And I really like how anyone who dies in walking dead goes zombie, not just people who are bit or something.
44:17 <Goya> I think I got to episode 2 of Walking Dead too... But - that's not saying much - I've never seen Firefly - despite having the series on the shelf in shrinkwrap.. 
45:31 <Goya> I don't watch much TV.. 
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47:18 <Goya> Pointlessly clicking on the internet takes up most of my free time. *sighs* 
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05:45 <Steven> hey hey hey
05:52 <Steven> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1069133_10201498731379505_2016411906_n.jpg
06:05 <Steven> my niece.
08:05 <Steven> my brother's fiance finally got tired of being a storage facility and shoved The baby out.
08:29 <Avatar> are you really going to be the guy that posts baby pohtos
08:31 <Avatar> photos*
08:48 <Steven> yes, i am going to be the guy who posts a baby photo.
08:53 <Steven> DEAL WITH IT BITCH!
09:10 <Avatar> cmon
09:58 <Mekkis> Steven, I need to know if you can continue to commit to WotW.
35:14 <Steven> just looked at my schedule, im gonna drop from the game.
55:32 <Brunius> Okay
55:36 <Brunius> So I've now driven a car.
55:46 <Brunius> Commence ridicule.
56:04 <Mekkis> was it an automatic?
57:00 <Steven> brunius, did you crash into anything?
57:05 <Brunius> Manual
57:10 <Brunius> Didn't crash into anything
57:22 <Steven> then sounds like you did it right.  good job.
57:31 <Mekkis> how many times did you stall?
57:38 <Brunius> 5-6, I think
57:46 <Mekkis> heh
57:57 <Brunius> so that's what once every 6 minutes?
58:02 <Brunius> 45 minute lesson
58:15 <Avatar> I can drive a manual 
58:35 <Avatar> not really, I got an auto license in qld and then I moved to vic and they gave me a manual one
58:43 <Brunius> hah
58:57 <Steven> I drove an automatic today.  i felt like i was being lazy
59:13 <Avatar> I got lessons for a manual and kind of sucked at it, so I said forget it I want to drive
01:28 <Mekkis> my left leg twitches when I drive an auto
02:25 <Mekkis> I propose we ridicule Brunius for stalling once every six minutes
02:33 <Mekkis> and driving too far under the speed limit
04:45 <Steven> nah, im good.
06:15 <Mekkis> steven just isn't a team player.
07:43 <Steven> yes i am, im just not on your team.
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58:30 <Longshot> how'd the wotw go?
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26:28 <Ash> hello?
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28:36 <Longshot> he sure stayed a while
31:00 <Avatar> is anyone out there?
31:21 <Mekkis> yes
31:34 <Longshot> i is.
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24:08 <Steven> alright im back
24:11 <Steven> what have i missed?
26:55 <Steven> so about what i figured i missed
42:17 <Yuugi> Nothing?
42:27 <Yuugi> Oh yeah
42:39 <Yuugi> There was an argument about how I plan to run my game.
48:17 <Steven> kick em in the tits.
48:26 <Steven> thats probably the correct course of action
50:17 <Yuugi> >_>
50:38 <Yuugi> To be fair, you'd probably dislike the way I'd run it too.
51:03 <Yuugi> Since out of everyone I've talked to maybe only one person agrees with me. Or is at least willing to try it.
52:38 <CWheezy> are you running wizards only
52:40 <CWheezy> no items
52:43 <CWheezy> final destination?
52:50 <Yuugi> XD
53:00 <Yuugi> I'm running Moldvay Basic D&D
53:44 <Yuugi> So the basic gist of it is that you roll your stats, in order, and you have to keep them (though there are a couple of adjustments permitted depending on your class)
53:56 <Yuugi> Dwarf, Elf, and Halfling are classes.
53:56 <CWheezy> that really sucks btw
54:06 <Yuugi> You have to roll your HP (minimum 1)
54:08 <CWheezy> sounds like dungeon crawl classic
54:28 <CWheezy> for the wizard they cast spells, and have a mutation chance or whatever right
54:34 <CWheezy> start at level 0?
54:35 <Yuugi> Oh
54:38 <Yuugi> Noooo
54:42 <CWheezy> ok nvm
54:42 <Yuugi> DCC is a different thing
54:45 <Yuugi> Based on 3e
54:49 <Yuugi> And OGL d20
54:59 <Yuugi> But warped to be old-schoolish
55:02 <CWheezy> well it has the same things you just said haha
55:07 <Yuugi> This is actual rules published in 1981
55:10 <CWheezy> with dwarf elf and halfling classes
55:13 <Yuugi> Yeah
55:25 <Yuugi> They probably took inspiration from some of this stuff
55:27 <CWheezy> rolling for stats super sucks because getting owned blows
55:33 <Yuugi> Anyway
55:41 <Yuugi> I'll continue. You also have to roll for GP
55:45 <Yuugi> Everyone rolls the same
55:56 <Brunius> I've got a book marked copyright 1980, TSR
56:00 <Yuugi> And one player gets designated the mapper
56:05 <Brunius> Are you using the blue advanced rules?
56:11 <Yuugi> Because no maps are provided and the players have to make their own...
56:16 <Yuugi> Brunius: Not yet.
56:26 <Yuugi> THe module is for levels 1-3
56:32 <Brunius> Ah right
56:36 <Yuugi> The blue book is for level 4-14
56:38 <Brunius> Advanced brings it up to what 14?
56:43 <Yuugi> Yeah.
56:49 <Yuugi> I mean, if your character survives
56:53 <Brunius> hehe
56:55 <Yuugi> I may run an Expert adventure
56:57 <Yuugi> For them
57:15 <Yuugi> Anyway, yeah, players have to map out the dungeon as they explore...
58:25 <Yuugi> And, um, there's also a designed player to be a caller who'll relay the party's decision to me in summary.
58:33 <Yuugi> Oh yeah
58:37 <CWheezy> well
58:41 <Yuugi> And lower AC is better
58:44 <CWheezy> you will learn about old games
58:48 <CWheezy> yeah I knew that part
58:51 <Brunius> -5 is best?
59:01 <Yuugi> I think so
59:04 <Mekkis> depends on THAC0
59:17 <Yuugi> Basic doesn't have THAC0 or BAB.
59:21 <Brunius> THAC0 is from AD&D
59:45 <Yuugi> It's simply a table of values based on your level in Basic.
59:46 <Mekkis> incorrect. THAC0 was in the basic monster manual.
00:03 <CWheezy> mostly why things have changed since then
00:11 <Yuugi> . . . there is no basic monster manual? o.o
00:46 <Yuugi> Basic is a 64 page book with all the monsters and spells in the same book.
02:03 <Yuugi> CWheezy: Also, I am doing this because I'm curious as to why things changed so much. My view of D&D seems to be aligned a lot more to this old style of dungeon crawling than heavy RP, long-winded campaigns.
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03:41 <Yuugi> Hi Wrothmonk!
03:46 <Wrothmonk> Hello
04:40 <Yuugi> As you are a potential player, your opinion matters most. How do you feel about certain players being designated mapper (drawing out the dungeon maps) and caller (relaying the party's decisions in summary to the DM)?
05:34 <Mekkis> Yuugi, how much experience have you GMing?
05:57 <Yuugi> I've got some experience, but with less tactical strategy RPGs.
06:14 <Mekkis> any with D&D?
06:34 <Yuugi> I did the Pathfinder Beginner Box
06:38 <Yuugi> Online.
06:46 <Yuugi> That's about it.
07:45 <Yuugi> I wanted to run some 4e stuff, but by the time I found some players 4e had sort of morphed into something else from what I liked.
08:09 <Yuugi> How come?
09:07 <Mekkis> I suppose what I'm getting at is that you're asking for a lot of trust from your players - trust that the time spent learning a new system would be worth it, trust that your idea of pushing player communication through a single player would work...
10:28 <Mekkis> I mean, if you were using a system that players are familiar with, you'd be demanding a lot less investment on the part of the players. If you did the standard channels of communication, it's more familiar to the players - and to the GM.
10:41 <Yuugi> The new system is a leap of faith, I agree.
11:02 <Yuugi> However, the communication thing isn't really that big of a shift I think.
11:14 <Yuugi> Have you ever played Shadowrun?
11:22 <Mekkis> I don't really feel comfortable investing $5 and at least six hours in learning a new system that I probably won't play again.
11:29 <Mekkis> no, I haven't
11:43 <Yuugi> You don't have to invest money. I can help you create a character even if you don't have the rulebook.
12:00 <Yuugi> There is also a free retro-clone, if everyone doesn't feel comfortable without a book and doesn't want to pay.
12:01 <Mekkis> Especially - and please don't take this the wrong way - if I don't know how good the GM is.
13:31 <Yuugi> Well, it's harder to describe if you haven't played Shadowrun...
14:30 <Wrothmonk> I could probably find a free copy of the full rulebook myself
14:38 <Wrothmonk> although that is questionably legal at best.
14:53 <Mekkis> it's the six hours that are more the point
15:04 <Yuugi> Yeah, I'm maybe thinking we should switch to Labyrinth Lord.
15:15 <Wrothmonk> I doubt it would take that long
15:20 <Wrothmonk> as familiar with rpgs as you are
15:22 <Mekkis> Devil's advocate and everything, but why not 3.5?
15:33 <Yuugi> Because the module would have to be converted.
15:46 <Yuugi> B1 In Search of the Unknown was written FOR the Basic D&D rules.
15:57 <Yuugi> Also, because I want to try out older editions.
16:38 <Mekkis> you'll find that there's a reason they made a new edition.
17:05 <Yuugi> Yeah, because their statistics showed people buy core books a lot more than supplemental material.
17:42 <Mekkis> that's not what WOTC found
18:01 * Yuugi shrugs.
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18:22 <Yuugi> If you want to back out I won't hold it against you, Mekkis.
18:31 <Yuugi> No need to try and sway me to do something different.
19:39 <Mekkis> no harm in trying anyway
19:55 <Mekkis> but that's the reason I am backing out, in case you were wondering
20:10 <Yuugi> I will eventually end up at 3.5, but I'd like to go in chronological order. Maybe when I reach it you'll reconsider.
20:35 <Mekkis> on a completely unrelated note, do we have players for PFS now?
20:51 <CWheezy> as long as it is not first steps
20:55 <CWheezy> also 6 players sucks
20:56 <Mekkis> it won't be
21:03 <Wrothmonk> I can play
21:17 <Mekkis> I've run First Steps three or four times, and that's enough
21:23 <Yuugi> (6 players would be a breeze if you had a caller :P)
21:35 <Wrothmonk> I still have yet to play pt 3 once.
21:55 <Mekkis> are you tier 3-7 yet?
22:08 <Wrothmonk> I have a level 3
22:10 <Mekkis> or am I going to continue getting RSI running 1-5s :P
22:11 <CWheezy> part 3 is great
22:18 <CWheezy> because it shows how terrible of a person drendle dreng is
22:23 <Mekkis> except for the GODDAMN swamp bit
22:31 <Mekkis> aka
22:57 <Mekkis> "make 10 acrobatics checks, for each one you fail, make a reflex save, for each one you fail, make a fortitude save"
23:14 <Wrothmonk> oh wait, maybed I have.
23:25 <Wrothmonk> since I remember a swamp like that.
23:28 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, you really need to remember what scenarios you've played
23:40 <Wrothmonk> paizo needs to remember!
23:45 <Yuugi> Don't you guys keep chronicle sheets?
23:50 <Mekkis> I do
23:54 <Mekkis> not sure about the others
24:00 <Yuugi> >_>
24:00 <Mekkis> they SHOULD
24:04 <Wrothmonk> I do.
24:06 <Yuugi> Yeah, you really should.
24:16 <Wrothmonk> I dont look at them after I update the character though
24:19 <Avatar> yeah that swamp bit is terribly shit
24:34 <Avatar> I think there is some sort of take 10 trick to it
24:38 <Avatar> but it's still shit
24:45 <Yuugi> Well, you could at least make a .txt file and list all the sheets you have so you can check at a glance. Or something.
25:01 <Wrothmonk> thats what paizo is for
25:11 <Wrothmonk> but apparently thats un-reliable
25:26 <Brunius> It relies on the GM uploading it
25:28 <Mekkis> ultimately it IS the player's responsibility
25:38 <Mekkis> don't try and shift the blame
25:44 <Avatar> what are you guys talking about
25:53 <Yuugi> Chronicle Sheets
25:53 * Wrothmonk grumbles
26:14 <Avatar> players are supposed to maintain their own chronicles
26:23 <Avatar> what does it rely on the GM for
26:24 <Wrothmonk> and sometimes computers lose stuff.
26:25 <Mekkis> Avatar, the fact that you shouldn't blame the GM, your computer, or Paizo for playing a scenario you've already played.
26:46 <Avatar> how can you blame the GM, your computer or paizo
27:06 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk is!
27:21 <Mekkis> <Wrothmonk> thats what paizo is for
27:21 <Mekkis> <Wrothmonk> but apparently thats un-reliable
27:21 <Avatar> no backups wrothmonk?
27:42 <Avatar> I've kept most of the ones I've sent out if you need them
27:50 <Wrothmonk> ya know what
27:55 <Mekkis> according to http://www.pfrpg.com.au/pfs.php5?id=242
27:55 <Wrothmonk> I'm sick of that kind of shit
28:02 <Mekkis> you've played it!
28:14 <Mekkis> I suggest a printer!
28:16 <Avatar> sick of what
28:26 <Wrothmonk> the last 15 minutes of conversation
28:33 <Wrothmonk> that kind of shit
28:54 <Mekkis> do you want me to continue it?
28:57 <Wrothmonk> You wouldn't believe the number of times I have had that some sort of shit happen to me.
29:09 <Mekkis> your computer stuffing up?
29:11 <Avatar> I'm happy to resend you your sheets
29:21 <Avatar> give me the character names 
29:29 <Wrothmonk> where people claim I cannot come up with a legitimate reason for me not being to blame.
29:39 <Wrothmonk> when I have given completely legitimate ones.
30:01 <Wrothmonk> This is the bloody last straw for me.
30:08 <CWheezy> your reason was that you don't look at your chronicles
30:13 <CWheezy> I think?
30:19 <Wrothmonk> god
30:21 <Wrothmonk> fucking
30:22 <Wrothmonk> damnit
30:31 <Mekkis> Avatar, can you give me any tips for running Frostfur?
30:43 <Wrothmonk> fuck this I cant talk to people who cant fucking read a goddamn irc message.
30:46 <Maestro> Sorry, I was AFK, still getting situated. What's going on?\
30:54 <Wrothmonk> Me, leaving
30:57 <Avatar> I ran frostfur years ago
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31:09 <CWheezy> 22:24	<Wrothmonk>: I dont look at them after I update the character though
31:17 <CWheezy> hmmm, I guess he got mad when I said what he said
31:25 <Mekkis> and I had so much more ammo to throw at him, but I restrained myself
31:38 <CWheezy> personal responsibility is hard
31:49 <Avatar> do you need the maps or anything
32:13 <Mekkis> let me start by putting more cash into the Paizo vending machine
32:13 <Maestro> I'm not interrupting a game am I?
32:19 <Mekkis> then I'll get back to you, Avatar :)
32:30 <Mekkis> my VL wants me to run it on Wednesday
32:39 <Mekkis> Anyone want me to run it cold, here&now?
33:52 <CWheezy> what one
33:53 <Maestro> ….?
33:56 <Yuugi> I might join, but it's a little late for me...
33:57 <Mekkis> Frostfur
34:09 <Maestro> Bless you
35:02 <CWheezy> frostur?
35:07 <Yuugi> If you had started an hour earlier I'd have joined :(
35:07 <CWheezy> ???
35:13 <CWheezy> I know of the frostfur captives
35:18 <CWheezy> but that is 1-5
35:23 <CWheezy> I thought you had a 3-7
35:24 <Yuugi> Yes
35:27 <CWheezy> or was that someone else
35:32 <Mekkis> CWheezy, I do have 3-7s
35:45 <Mekkis> but I wasn't sure if we had players who were of that tier
35:54 * Maestro has a couple of level 1s and a level 4, if he ends up invited to anything
36:00 <CWheezy> I have characters of every tier!
36:06 <Yuugi> O.o
36:14 <CWheezy> eight, actually
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37:24 <Avatar> Maestro: you're always invited
37:37 <Maestro> Well don't make me blush :3
37:45 <Yuugi> lol
38:00 <Avatar> cause it's you ;)
38:04 <Maestro> I'll go put the kettle on. I just woke up from a nap
38:17 <Maestro> Went hiking and swimming today and I needed some rest
38:36 <Mekkis> I'm assuming Avatar isn't playing, but could you confirm, Avatar?
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38:53 <Mekkis> hello dicebot, is Ballig in?
38:54 ChanOP gives channel half-operator status to dicebot
41:13 * Maestro brings a warm cup of tea for dicebot
41:28 <Maestro> Combat Assistant or roll20?
42:29 <Mekkis> ca
42:33 <Avatar> yeah I'm not keen on playing unless you're running rivalry's end
44:11 <Maestro> …and some bok choy for the rabbit.
44:16 <Maestro> Back
44:20 <Maestro> Again, I guess
48:12 <Yuugi> Oh, Maestro did you still want to be in my game?
49:09 <Maestro> I was gonna pass, I've got too many moving pieces in life to do more than PFS right now.
49:16 <Maestro> Getting married and moving into the city
50:00 <Mekkis> the first thing I did when I moved into a new city was find a games store.
50:29 <Avatar> the internet is my games store
50:30 <Maestro> I've already found the games store there.
50:41 <Maestro> But the folks there are quite off-putting.
50:44 <Mekkis> ... and start playing PFS
51:03 <Maestro> I'm with Avatar.
51:18 <Maestro> We have developed this tool to bend reality to our will, including when and where the games store is open for play
51:19 <CWheezy> the first thing I would do would move my stuff into my place
51:31 <Maestro> It's called the Internet
51:39 <Maestro> And it will kick your ass.
51:39 <Mekkis> that's because he doesn't think there's anything wrong with someone sleeping with someone else's wife :)
51:51 <Mekkis> Maestro, the internet is MY bitch.
54:06 <Maestro> ^_^
54:13 <Maestro> I'm so weird.
54:32 <Steven> I have the ability to make the games store open and close when i like.
55:16 <Yuugi> Oh, right, Maestro was getting married.
56:18 <Maestro> I forget sometimes, too
56:27 <Maestro> Hence, I have yet to get an appointment with the courthouse x-x
56:36 <Yuugi> lol
56:43 <Yuugi> Just don't forget on the day of and you'll be fine.
58:42 <Mekkis> The games store I go to closes while I'm there!
59:10 <Mekkis> it's great - after it's "closed", it's a "private function", so we break out the beer!
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59:24 <Mekkis> it's a Ballig!
59:36 <Maestro> Roll for initiative!
59:40 <Mekkis> @init
59:41 <diebot> Mekkis, initiative: [1d20=1] 5
59:43 <Mekkis> :(
00:02 <Mekkis> how many players do we actually have?
00:05 <CWheezy> @init
00:10 <Mekkis> ?!save
00:11 dicebot has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
00:11 <diebot> Mekkis, Saves a roll against a nick. eg. !save init: 1d20+3 initiative. Saved rolls can be viewed at http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/savedcommands.yaml.sorted 
00:12 <CWheezy> :'(
00:16 <CWheezy> lol what did I do
00:48 <diebot> You killed dicebot. But don't worry, he was useless anyway.
01:10 <Maestro> XD
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01:23 <Maestro> Congratulations, human, you have killed the correct cyborg.
01:28 <Maestro> Now enter my van...
01:31 <Mekkis> Balls is having connection issues
01:55 <Maestro> I believe those comments are more appropriate for his doctor, don't you?
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02:04 <CWheezy> @init
02:08 ChanOP gives channel half-operator status to dicebot
02:13 <CWheezy> !init
02:17 <CWheezy> oh well
02:26 <CWheezy> I can play if it is something I can play
02:37 <Mekkis> CWheezy, you need to tell diebot what @init from your nick means
02:44 <Mekkis> by typing something like:
02:53 <Mekkis> !save init: 1d20+4 initiative
02:54 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+4 initiative saved as @init
03:00 <CWheezy> ah ok
03:13 <CWheezy> !save init 1d20 +9 initiative
03:23 <CWheezy> oh no
03:24 <CWheezy> my :
03:29 <Mekkis> and your space!
03:38 <CWheezy> I give up, too hard
03:49 <Mekkis> copy exactly what I typed
03:58 <Mekkis> and just change the 4 to a 9
04:04 <Maestro> !throw 1d20
04:05 <diebot> Maestro, 1d20: [1d20=8] 8
04:08 <Maestro> Thank you, diebot
04:11 <Maestro> Always there for me.
04:14 * Maestro feeds a scooby snack to
05:53 <CWheezy> its too hard
06:08 <Mekkis> some people just can't follow directions
06:59 * Mekkis sighs as $35 goes to Paizo
09:02 <Steven> money well spent mekkis
09:23 <Mekkis> to you any money that goes to Paizo is well spent :P
09:49 <Mekkis> Steven, could you extract the maps for Godsmouth Heresy for me? I have the print edition.
09:51 <CWheezy> I would pay for a rebalance
10:06 <Mekkis> a rebalance?
10:20 <Steven> but mekkis that means i have to do stuff.
10:30 <Mekkis> THE HORROR!
10:35 <Steven> and we know my stance on doing stuff.
10:41 * Maestro watches the money fly away to Paizo
10:58 <Yuugi> What was that money for?
11:34 <CWheezy> yeah
11:41 <CWheezy> so it is less caster finder
12:33 <Maestro> That's tier 1-2, right?
13:01 <CWheezy> hmmm, I have not played that one
13:23 <Steven> alright, its extracting now.
13:54 <Maestro> Nor have I
14:21 <Mekkis> Godsmouth Heresy is a level 1 module
14:25 <Mekkis> 3xp and all that jazz
14:49 <Maestro> Oh wow
15:40 <Maestro> When is go time?
15:48 <Steven> you want any of the pictures or anything?
15:58 <Mekkis> just the maps, I think
16:02 <Mekkis> the *map*
16:05 <Mekkis> I guess
16:30 <Mekkis> anyone here know wine?
17:00 <Mekkis> as in, if there's a half-full bottle of Cabernet Sauvignon on the bench, will it be drinkable in three weeks' time?
17:07 <Steven> i know i detest the taste and the migraines it immediately gives me.
17:35 <Mekkis> why is this channel so goddamned uncultured?!
17:44 <Maestro> The worst case scenario is that it goes bad.
17:50 <Maestro> In which case you end up with vinegar
18:03 <Steven> im not uncultured. i just dont like wine.
18:03 <Mekkis> my flatmate left it here
18:07 <Mekkis> then fled to Europe
18:17 <Steven> I'm rather fond of scotch
18:19 <Maestro> …so pour it out and throw it away?
18:21 <Mekkis> she'll be back in three weeks
18:33 <Mekkis> I want to know if I should just drink it
18:42 <Maestro> Did she put a stopper on it and tuck it anywhere?
18:51 <Mekkis> screw top
19:07 <Maestro> Hmm
19:08 <Mekkis> Steven, what type of scotch?
19:11 <Maestro> 50/50
19:52 <Brunius> After consulting with the resident wine expert (ie my mother)
19:57 <Brunius> I recommend drinking it
20:13 <Mekkis> thanks Brunius! looks like this isn't a den of uncultured rogues!
20:45 <Brunius> I think it's still uncultured rogues
20:53 <Brunius> Just uncultured rogues with connections
21:09 <Maestro> Or rather, uncultured rogues, plus one guy has a mom.
21:24 <Steven> i usually just have a dram or two of glenlivet 12
21:56 <Steven> sending you link mekkis
22:09 <Maestro> So what are we using tonight?
22:50 <Steven> got it?
23:30 <Maestro> I've got so many valid characters I'll choose based on party composition.
23:55 <Steven> whatcha got?
24:14 <Maestro> Oracle, gunslinger, alchemist...
24:17 <Steven> ive got a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 17
24:57 <Maestro> Oh no, I just meant for what he's going to play tonight.
25:03 <Maestro> As far as level 1's go
25:10 <Maestro> C'mon, man, I'm still new :P
25:20 <Maestro> I've got three lvl 1s and 1 level 4
26:03 <Steven> i sadly dont think i saved that inquisitor i used for first steps the other day.
26:49 <Maestro> o.O? Draw it back up.
27:37 <Maestro> I'm leaning towards playing my gunslinger ATM
28:33 <Mekkis> I need someone to run a 1-2 that I haven't played for my 2
28:35 <Steven> ya hear that mekkis.... you get to kill a gunslinger
28:51 <Mekkis> before or during the scenario?
29:13 <Maestro> I've also been contemplating rolling up a new monk.
29:22 <Maestro> I've got the biggest love/hate relationship with monks.
29:30 <Mekkis> Maestro, why don't you run something for me?
29:39 <Maestro> I've never run anything before
29:51 <Maestro> I'm still pretty green.
30:07 <Mekkis> no time like the present
30:12 <Maestro> I figured I'd try to at least get a character to level 7 before I try to be in charge of things.
30:28 <Mekkis> I started when I had a character at 4
33:22 <Maestro> At the end of the day I still feel like I want to have more experience under my belt before I take that leap.
33:34 <Maestro> I've been thinking of starting once I get settled after the move.
33:45 <Steven> sorry back.
34:04 <Steven> i was talking to my brother about what kind of scotch we are gonna get to celebrate his daughters birth.
34:37 <Steven> he wants a glen moray 12 and im trying to talk him into a dalmore 12
35:15 <Mekkis> Avatar, stay tuned: I plan on running Feast of Sigils sometime next month - maybe the 10th
36:08 <Maestro> lol, I think if it's his kid he gets to choose :P
36:36 <Steven> FALSE MAESTRO!
36:38 <Mekkis> laphroig
36:40 <Steven> he got the choose the cigars.
36:44 <Maestro> o.O?
36:49 <Maestro> XD
37:02 <CWheezy> if it is 1-2 I only have a wizard rogue bard sorc and others
37:11 <CWheezy> a raw cavalier and stuff as well
38:04 <Steven> if we had more money to throw away, we would buy a Glenlivet XXV
38:22 <Steven> but 400 bucks for a bottle is... well insane.
39:06 <Steven> anyways.
39:10 <Steven> whats goin on guys
39:28 <Steven> gonna run you's a game?
40:19 <Steven> my moms moving got put on hold till next week or the week after since susan dropped the baby.  so... im free to dick around tomorrow.
41:05 <Steven> think imma make an oracle of bacon.
41:24 <Yuugi> mmm, bacon
42:28 <Maestro> Mmm...
42:29 <Maestro> bacon.
42:55 <Steven> i want some bacon.
43:02 <Steven> think imma have a BLT for dinner.
43:14 <Yuugi> That sounds so good D:
43:22 <Steven> except...
43:23 <Yuugi> I want some.
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43:33 <poundpuppy30> hey folks
43:38 <Steven> im going to put two servings of bacon on it.
43:38 <Yuugi> Hi
44:18 <Maestro> Hey!
44:22 <Maestro> How've you been?
44:59 <Steven> sup Puppy, we are talking about bacon.
45:35 <poundpuppy30> running fs2 if anyone care to come join https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/ccb557926c3e3d3df075907d3f62ad81bb4d0e1f?authuser=0&hl=en
46:02 <Maestro> Can't.
46:09 <Maestro> ALL of my 1st level characters have played it.
46:12 <poundpuppy30> https://app.roll20.net/join/158147/OFScCA
46:21 <poundpuppy30> so make another one lol
46:22 <Steven> meh..... i dunno if i wanna do first steps again.
46:27 <Mekkis> what is it with so many people playing First Steps
46:27 <Maestro> It's like eating pizza every day for a month
46:29 <Maestro> I'm tired.
46:39 <Maestro> Mekkis: They're phasing it out, I hear
46:45 <Maestro> Too many people grinding it for free XP
46:57 <poundpuppy30> i go tme 3 new ones other day but need to make tables for it
48:09 <Steven> i will be back in like 5 minutes, im going to cook some bacon.
48:19 <Steven> BLT INC!
48:37 <Maestro> x-x
50:36 <poundpuppy30> ive a few spots open if anyone cares to come, we start in 30 minutes
50:40 <poundpuppy30> so later
50:48 <poundpuppy30> https://app.roll20.net/join/158147/OFScCA
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51:00 <Steven> room mate heard me ritualistically chanting bacon bacon bacon
51:03 <Steven> and he came out of his room
51:16 <Steven> "Dude, i ate all the bacon.  I will go get more."
51:34 <Yuugi> haha
51:39 <Yuugi> Awesome roommate
51:58 <Steven> yeah, they are pretty cool
52:32 <Maestro> Cool roommate
52:39 <Maestro> I've been having awful luck with roommates lately.
52:54 <Maestro> They did all of the eating and none of the buying
53:05 <Mekkis> I've been having great luck
53:24 <Steven> yeah, we dont really have that problem at all.  We just do the community thing.
53:39 <Mekkis> they went to Europe for three weeks leaving me with a fully stocked fridge, half a bottle of red wine, and a freezer that's literally packed.
53:39 <Steven> luckily all of our "Mine only' foods are pretty exclusive
53:43 <Maestro> That's always the greatest method-- when everyone contributes.
54:08 <Steven> like mine is cheese-itz, and they hate cheese itz
54:42 <Steven> hers is tapioca pudding, which i just absolutely fucking hate.
55:39 <Steven> and his is basically salads, which im not a big fan of salads.
55:48 <Steven> well not his salads.
56:02 <Steven> he uses iceberg lettuce, which.... right up there with tapioca pudding
56:33 <Maestro> So… I hear we're playing Godsmouth Heresy.
56:38 <Maestro> Who's running again?
56:54 <Steven> 1
56:55 <Steven> 2
56:55 <Steven> 3
56:57 <Steven>  not it
57:43 <Maestro> lol maybe that's why Mekkis was so keen on recruiting ^^"
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59:05 <Mekkis> I thought we only had two players
01:40 <Maestro> Oh, I thought we had more lurking.
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01:56 <Maestro> Players aren't hard to find.
02:07 <Maestro> Especially if your'e running for lvl 1 characters
02:12 <CWheezy> how long is the module?
02:20 <CWheezy> I would have played it if we started two hours ago I think
02:23 <Mekkis> too long to justify running now
02:29 <CWheezy> yeah
03:05 <Mekkis> unless it's for a table of very experienced players
06:19 <Steven> think its time for some skyrim
07:28 <Steven> !rand Magic Melee Stealth
07:28 <dicebot> Steven, random: Magic
07:35 <Steven> looks like im makin a mage in skyrim
09:18 <Mekkis> why not all three?
09:33 <Steven> eventually it will be, but gotta start somewhere
09:50 <Mekkis> why not archery?
10:05 <Steven> thats stealth, headshottin all day
10:29 <Mekkis> how many random mods have you added to your skyrim?
10:32 <Maestro> Ah, I see
10:42 <Steven> no mods
11:00 <Maestro> Sorry we couldn't run the game, guys.
12:25 <Steven> hmmm.... gotta pick me a race
12:38 <CWheezy> nord
12:42 <CWheezy> skyrim belongs to the nords
13:02 <Steven> yeah, totes gonna go emire
13:05 <Steven> empire
14:07 <Steven> goin high elf
16:35 <Maestro> Damn
16:45 <Maestro> There's a game going on tomorrow, but I'm 1 XP away from being in-tier x-x
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17:46 <Yuugi> So, I did a test run on roll20 for having a player do mapping and it works very well.
18:26 <Maestro> roll20 is pretty slick
18:37 <CWheezy> yeah it is nice
21:28 <Yuugi> Player's have the brush option to whiteboard stuff.
21:35 <Yuugi> So that's one thing solved.
22:15 <Yuugi> Now I just have to figure out how to do the caller thing.
24:19 <Yuugi> Man, I wish I wasn't going on vacation :(
24:37 <Maestro> I will start running sessions as well once I'm done with the move.
24:55 <Maestro> Right now I can't be spending money on scenarios and modules.
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48:59 <Steven> note to self... dont fuck with the glowy wispy lady
00:28 <Mekkis> Avatar, what's your opinion of &Rime Spell
00:44 <diebot> RIME SPELL [Metamagic] Creatures damaged by your spells with the cold descriptor become entangled.
00:45 <diebot> Benefit:  The frost of your cold spell clings to the target, impeding it for a short time. A rime spell causes creatures that takes cold damage from the spell to become entangled for a number of rounds equal to the original level of the spell. This feat only affects spells with the cold descriptor. A rime spell uses up a spell slot one level
00:45 <diebot> higher than the spell's actual level. Source: UM
01:26 <Avatar> I don't like metamagic feats
01:41 <CWheezy> in terms of power or gameplay
01:48 <Mekkis> I was more talking from a GM's perspective
01:56 <Mekkis> it seems to be effectively Entangle, no save
02:07 <Mekkis> ?entangled
02:08 <diebot> Mekkis, The character is ensnared. Being entangled impedes movement, but does not entirely prevent it unless the bonds are anchored to an immobile object or tethered by an opposing force. An entangled creature moves at half speed, cannot run or charge, and takes a 2 penalty on all attack rolls and a 4 penalty to Dexterity. An entangled character
02:08 <diebot> who attempts to cast a spell must make a concentration check (DC 15 + spell level) or lose the spell.
02:10 <CWheezy> well it is for spells
02:24 <CWheezy> so if it is super amazing then of course a caster gets it
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10:47 <Mekkis> it feels rather overpowered
15:01 <CWheezy> yep
15:28 <CWheezy> although tbh the list of things metamagic does to you, entangle is one of the lesser ones
18:54 <Mekkis> no. save.
19:54 <Avatar> isn't that only if you use it with a spell that has no save
20:02 <Mekkis> nope
20:10 <Avatar> why not
20:24 <CWheezy> you say no save like the wizard doesn't already have a lot of no saves
20:25 <Mekkis> as long as they take cold damage, they're entangled
20:27 <Avatar> surely if you save on the spell then you save on the feat as well
20:40 <Mekkis> CWheezy, like what?
20:44 <CWheezy> summon monster
21:17 <Mekkis> sure, but it's not fully directly offensive
21:20 <Avatar> I guess with a ray attack or a reflex half spell it still works
21:29 <Avatar> if the ray hits
21:31 <CWheezy> at least with entangled, you can still attack
21:37 <CWheezy> they could be using dazing spell
21:40 <CWheezy> no save, oh you lose now
21:42 <Mekkis> that has a save
21:48 <Mekkis> !feat dazing spell
21:50 <diebot> Mekkis, DAZING SPELL [Metamagic] You can daze creatures with the power of your spells.
21:50 <diebot> Benefit:  You can modify a spell to daze a creature damaged by the spell. When a creature takes damage from this spell, they become dazed for a number of rounds equal to the original level of the spell. If the spell allows a saving throw, a successful save negates the daze effect. If the spell does not allow a save, the target can make a Will
21:50 <diebot> save to negate the daze effect. If the spell effect also causes the creature to become dazed, the duration of this metamagic effect is added to the duration of the spell. A dazing spell uses up a spell slot three levels higher than the spell's actual level. Spells that do not inflict damage do not benefit from this feat. Source: APG
22:00 <CWheezy> oh yeah
22:03 <CWheezy> nvm
22:08 <CWheezy> well, it makes fireball from save or damage
22:10 <CWheezy> to save or die
22:44 <CWheezy> being entangled for many monsters is not the biggest deal
22:57 <Mekkis> can't charge. That's a big thing
23:02 <Mekkis> penalties to AC too.
23:18 <CWheezy> you can still fly
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23:38 <CWheezy> and can still five foot step I think
23:43 <Mekkis> nope
23:52 <Mekkis> you can't 5' step if your movement is impeded
24:22 <CWheezy> You can only take a 5-foot-step if your movement isn't hampered by difficult terrain or darkness
24:28 <CWheezy> it isn't difficult terrain
24:43 <CWheezy> so yes, you still can
25:02 <CWheezy> ill omen is no save
25:09 <CWheezy> get a wand if ill omen
25:13 <CWheezy> improved familiar
25:20 <CWheezy> oh the bad guy has to roll his save or die twice
25:55 <CWheezy> maze is no save but you don't deal with that in pfs, ha
26:46 <CWheezy> glitterdust is no save for the anti invis
27:48 <CWheezy> I am not saying it is bad
27:55 <CWheezy> I am just saying that it is par for the course relaly
27:57 <CWheezy> relly
28:00 <CWheezy> spelling
28:16 <Avatar> yeah cwheezy is right, only can't take 5ft steps in difficult terrain or darkness
28:37 <Avatar> put that on the list of things to remember
30:29 <Mekkis> I will
30:49 <Avatar> good
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32:36 <Mekkis> Avatar, I intend to run Feast of Sigils next month
32:52 <Mekkis> Most likely on the 10th, but I'll know for certain this Thursday
33:10 <Mekkis> hopefully that'll push Buck over to 12th
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48:26 <Steven> i have now finished my feasting on pig flesh and the watching of movies
49:30 <Mekkis> how's skyrim going?
50:08 <Steven> i only played a little bit of it, then the bacon arrived and we cooked BLTs and watched a movie
52:14 <Steven> so mek whatcha think bout m14?
57:29 <Avatar> what's a BLT
03:46 <Mekkis> underwhelming
04:06 <Steven> Bacon Lettuce and Tomato Sandwich
04:41 <Mekkis> I'm making pilaf
04:45 <Mekkis> should be about done
09:34 <Steven> I'm less than enthused about m14, glad i didnt play at the shop.
10:32 <Mekkis> pilaf should be done in the next ten minutes or so
11:54 <Maestro> What's going on?
12:12 <Mekkis> we're talking about food
12:40 <Mekkis> I think I'll have a nice glass of Bin 444 with my dish
13:33 <Maestro> Ah
15:41 <Avatar> Mekkis: did you work out a new date for wotw
16:07 <Avatar> are you still sticking with the 24th since steven seems to be out
16:37 <Mekkis> August 3 is what /topic says. Let's try that
20:49 <Mekkis> Could you use Antimagic Field on your familiar with Share Spells?
28:24 <Avatar> the topic says the 24th but the site still has the 3rd because I wasn't able to change it yet
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29:06 <Mekkis> no problem
29:17 <Mekkis> Are you interested in playing Feast of Sigils, Avatar?
29:24 <Avatar> yeah
29:40 <Mekkis> cool
29:43 <Maestro> Feast of Sigils?
30:18 <Mekkis> yeah, one of the high level season 4s
30:47 <Maestro> Ah
31:14 <Mekkis> I've signed up to GM it at Paizocon, so it'd be good to have a initial runthrough of it
31:27 <Maestro> I wish we could attend Paizocon
31:40 <Maestro> It sucks because it's just a few hours' drive.
31:44 <Maestro> But we just don't have the money or the time;
32:05 <Mekkis> you should attend PaizoConOz
32:08 <Steven> you could always relocate.
32:26 <Mekkis> it's just a few hours' flight (if you can find a Concorde still in commission)
34:12 <Maestro> I hear it's the conventions that give you the really unique rewards.
35:38 <Avatar> I wouldn't say those rewards are worth travelling for
35:53 <Avatar> if you're going, it's for the crazy amount of xp you can earn in such a short time
36:23 <Avatar> ironhelix reckons there are daily games going on online now though
36:29 <Maestro> Just about
37:08 <Avatar> did you guys hear they are running year of the shadow lodge online
37:57 <Maestro> Already signed up for it
38:21 <Avatar> during an australian-friendly timeslot too
38:49 <Mekkis> The reason I go to cons is to have fun, rather than XP or boons.
39:31 <Steven> the reason i go to cons is to meet new people... and mercilessly kill their characters.
41:03 <Avatar> that is a lie mekkis
41:08 <Avatar> you go to get xp also
41:45 <Mekkis> Avatar, last con I GMed four out of seven slots, and received XP for none of them.
41:56 <Avatar> that's because you were GMing
42:09 <Mekkis> if I wanted XP, I wouldn't have GMed.
42:15 <Avatar> we're talking about playing
42:45 <Mekkis> no. We're talking about attending.
43:55 <Avatar> Maestro: are you keen on GMing?
44:22 <Maestro> In the future, yes.
44:34 <Avatar> next month?
44:42 <Avatar> how far are we talking
44:54 <Maestro> I want to finish moving. So I was thinking September.
45:11 <Avatar> when is paizocon mekkis
45:24 <Maestro> I thought it'd already happened.
45:50 <Mekkis> August 30-sep 1
46:09 <Maestro> Ah
46:12 <Maestro> Yeah that's right when we're moving.
46:17 <Maestro> Or just before it.
52:28 <Maestro> I can't wait to get to level 5
52:57 <Mekkis> Maestro, then run some stuff and apply the credit!
53:08 <Maestro> That, too, will start happening.
53:25 <Maestro> Once we move and get situated I'll practice with roll20 and probably link up with IronHelixx
56:02 <Avatar> then teach me how to use roll20
56:11 <Avatar> I can't figure out map alignment
59:12 <Maestro> Map alignment?
02:08 <Maestro> Go to the map layer, right-click and under EDIT choose to flip horizontal or vertical
03:17 <Maestro> Where can I find pure images of the maps of scenarios?
03:27 <Brunius> the scenario pdf
05:36 <Maestro> Therein lies another issue
05:49 <Maestro> No money to sink into Paizo right now
06:22 <Mekkis> It's a cup of coffee. Or a Big Mac
07:26 <Maestro> Where do you spend $10 on a cup of coffee?
08:52 <Maestro> Huh, this stuff is pretty easy to pick up..
09:13 <Mekkis> where do you spend $10 on a PFS scenario?
09:18 <Mekkis> last I checked they were $4
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11:18 <Maestro> I was looking at the modules
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27:27 <Mekkis> ok. Bought a printer.
28:53 <Maestro> I still need to get ink for mine...
29:57 <Mekkis> Solution! Laser printer. Don't worry about ink ever again!
30:04 <Mekkis> (instead worry about toner)
30:48 <Maestro> lol
31:02 <Maestro> Well I figure I'll need a printer for school work
32:01 <Mekkis> and for PFS!
34:34 <Maestro> Meh, not since most of it's online :P
34:50 <Maestro> Although the scanner can come in handy if I ever have to hand-jam a PFD
34:54 <Maestro> A chronicle
34:56 <Maestro> PDF*
35:08 <Brunius> hand-jam?
35:31 <Maestro> Um.
35:35 <Maestro> Scribble stuff on with a pen/pencil
35:44 <Maestro> …manually annotate.
36:00 <Steven> i should probably write up my state of the region report.
36:32 <Maestro> Don't even know what that is
36:36 <Maestro> This is why I can't be a GM
36:43 <Maestro> I'll mess something up.
36:58 <Brunius> That's a VL thing, I think
37:01 <Brunius> I've never heard of it
37:10 <Maestro> VL?
37:27 <Maestro> I know people give themselves ranks like venture-captain, etc.
37:34 <Brunius> Venture Lieutenant
37:38 <Maestro> Sure.
37:45 <Steven> people dont give themselves those ranks.
37:47 <Maestro> Doesn't really tell me anything.
37:48 <Mekkis> actually, other people give people those ranks
37:56 <Maestro> I generally don't salute people anymore
38:12 <Mekkis> I'm a VC :)
38:13 <Steven> i think i'd smack someone if they salute'd me.
38:36 <Maestro> Is there a wiki somewhere?
38:40 <Mekkis> yes
38:42 <Maestro> Mayhaps these things are clearly defined.
39:07 <Maestro> Paizo, particularly their website, are a honeycombed maze of rules and restrictions and half-assed erratas.
39:25 <Maestro> Hence my constant lack of self confidence when making decisions.
39:35 <Steven> mmmmmmm half-assed Erratas 
39:40 <Maestro> I never know where there's some forum post that says my stuff ain't legal.
39:46 <Maestro> That hasn't been active since 2011
39:57 <Maestro> But some guy named Mark posted on it, so that makes it law.
40:05 <Maestro> Holy crap.
40:38 <Avatar> maybe decline of glory
40:38 <Maestro> Sorry, I was just making my point that it's hard to take the leap to become a GM in such a rule-heavy game when the rules are so miasmic and high-maintenance
40:45 <Brunius> forum rulings are only 100% legal if both player and GM have read it, right?
40:53 <Maestro> lol
41:18 <Maestro> I wonder what kind of character I'd nurture as a GM-baby
41:27 <Avatar> if a player has a copy of the ruling at the table, it's as good as the rulebook
41:30 <Maestro> Someone who needs the help getting through those first hard levels.
41:45 <Avatar> most GMs will usually just trust the player unless they've got a good reason not to
42:21 <Steven> no brunius.  forum rulings are legal if either of the people see it.  if you think it might be objected you should print off the forum post and take it with you.
42:24 <Maestro> It's kind-of goofy to give XP to characters for GMing
42:35 <Maestro> That's just one less adventure that character can go on
42:38 <Brunius> Can you tell me where it says that, Steven?
42:50 <Steven> only about a dozen places.
42:56 <Maestro> I thought Brunius was being sarcastic
43:06 <Mekkis> My VL says otherwise, and he's closer to Brunius than Steven is
43:40 <Avatar> Maestro: another character can play that adventure
44:22 <Maestro> Sure, I could use it to give new credit for scenarios I've already run...
44:53 <Avatar> who is keen to play on friday night
45:00 <Mekkis> Maestro, you don't HAVE to...
45:03 <Brunius> What level?
45:07 <Avatar> any level
45:14 <Avatar> it's the timeslot I'm looking at
45:18 <Brunius> If my level 8 can play, maybe
45:26 <Steven> if a campaign coordinator has stated something on the forum.  like X works like Y in case Z, then that is a legal way that it interacts.  If you have problems with a person who says it doesnt work like that you point them in the direction of the forum post.
45:40 <Maestro> Friday I have to go be oriented at the university I'm to start attending. I hope you guys have lots of fun, though
45:54 <Mekkis> Friday is MagicNight
46:34 <Steven> if they refuse to run it like that because they dont like it or whatever, you report that person to the local VL, if you dont have a VL you report it to the VC, if you dont have a VC you send Mike Brock an email.  I suggest you be polite to whomever you contact.
47:05 <Avatar> does that actually work
47:11 <Brunius> Is it actually worth it
47:15 <Avatar> or do they just tell you to stop playing with that GM
47:21 <Brunius> Ultimately, who cares
47:32 <Brunius> It's a game, we're here to have fun, not argue over the technicalities of the rules
47:53 <Avatar> depends if something comes out of it
48:00 <Avatar> like if people die because you couldn't use x ability
48:27 <Steven> I've had a person do it.  I contacted the party that was refusing to follow the rules.  Told the person how the interaction worked and if they had any questions to please let me know and i'd be more than happy to go over it with them.
49:07 <Steven> they contacted me and told me i was wrong.  i linked forum posts, and broke it down to them step by step how it worked.
49:51 <Mekkis> true, but you don't receive much in ongoing feedback
50:05 <Mekkis> sometimes the issue goes into the Black Hole of Paizo
50:08 <Steven> they told me i was full of shit, i forwarded the matter to my VC.  He backed what i linked.  
50:52 <Maestro> I still need to send an e-mail to someone about that chronicle sheet I never got.
51:18 <Maestro> Grr, just grinds my gears when people agree to do a job and then do it halfway
51:19 <Steven> We informed the player that if he continued to have problems with the GM to let us know, but if he had problems it would likely be easier to just find a new GM.
51:40 <Steven> what game maestro?
52:00 <Steven> and who was GMing?
52:29 <Maestro> Last week of June, it was through the roll20 PFS group
52:51 <Maestro> The coordinator was Jacob Savage who just straight up says he hasn't gotten it from the DM and can't do anything.
53:03 <Steven> message the GM and inform him you have yet to receive a chronicle sheet.
53:11 <Mekkis> has it been reported on Paizo?
53:13 <Maestro> I did.
53:25 <Maestro> I messaged the GM but I have yet to contact Paizo. Not sure who to contact.
53:32 <Maestro> I tried to go through the coordinator.
53:37 <Maestro> But I'm kinda tired of waiting.
53:41 <Mekkis> I meant check your play history on Paizo.com
53:47 <Maestro> It's not reported
53:54 <Maestro> Under my character.
54:01 <Mekkis> report ityourself :P
54:09 <Maestro> lol I probably could.
54:09 <Steven> do not report it yourself.
54:20 <Mekkis> why? That's what they said to do on the forums
54:26 <Maestro> I don't have the GM's full name, he only gave first name, last initial.
54:39 <Mekkis> did he give PFS number?
54:47 <Maestro> I'd have to check my notes.
54:55 <Maestro> But it'd be kind of strange for the GM to give his PFS number
55:17 <Steven> contact Joseph Caubo
55:41 <Steven> http://paizo.com/people/JosephCaubo
55:44 <Mekkis> YAY. Darkwhite finally reported Conquest
56:43 <Steven> [email protected]
56:54 <Maestro> I see.
57:02 <Maestro> I'll gather my notes first, so I don't waste time.
57:20 <Mekkis> who is my VC?
57:37 <Mekkis> I suppose Al Rigg is closer than Stephen White
57:56 <Steven> pick one?
58:02 <Maestro> No wait, I have the GM's full name
58:15 <Mekkis> cyberstalk him
58:22 <Steven> dont cyberstalk him.
58:24 <Maestro> So I have the date, the name of the GM, the name of the coordinator… anything else I need?
58:34 <Mekkis> his linkedin profile
58:39 <Maestro> I'm an adult, you don't need to advise me not to stalk someone :P
59:11 * Steven points at mekkis.
59:38 <Mekkis> if you didn't want me to look up all the information about you, why the fuck did you put it all over your facebook?
01:22 <Maestro> lol
01:48 <Maestro> That Onion news story about the government giving Mark Zuckerberg the highest CIA medal a civilian can get.
01:58 <Mekkis> link?
02:05 <Maestro> Don't have it.
02:11 <Maestro> Saw it years ago, before I deployed
05:33 <Maestro> But yeah, I'll message that guy.
05:59 <Steven> damn right you will!
06:00 <Maestro> It's not a super huge issue for me, I'd just hate to not be able to justify 1 XP because of the very first adventure I played online
06:12 <Mekkis> what was the scenario?
06:18 <Maestro> God's Market Gamble
06:25 <Steven> thats a fun one.
06:34 <Mekkis> if run well
06:40 <Maestro> I remember it being fun
06:44 <Mekkis> I keep confusing it with Song of the Sea Witch
06:44 <Maestro> Well...
06:55 <Maestro> Actually it was a little trudgy
07:12 <Maestro> Because it was an investigative kind-of thing and a lot of the players were not invested.
07:15 <Mekkis> I really liked the market scene there
07:32 <Maestro> Basically I kept having to push the characters out of the tavern and into the quest.
07:39 <Mekkis> http://www.reverbnation.com/artist/artist_videos/603938#
25:06 <Avatar> golden serpent might be a goer for a 5-9
34:04 <Maestro> So what's the actual definition of a venture-captain?
34:18 <Maestro> What's their job?
39:35 <Avatar> they help organise events and support people running games
40:21 <Maestro> Huh
41:33 <Avatar> huh
58:55 <Maestro> E-mail sent
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