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42:37 <Steven> suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup
42:41 <Steven> wroth how ya doin
42:48 <Wrothmonk> good.
43:33 <Steven> when ya gonna run that scenario?
43:46 <Wrothmonk> Probably the end of this week.
43:59 <Steven> cool cool, need anything?
45:44 <Wrothmonk> Just a sec and I'll see
48:00 <Wrothmonk> I think I'm good, the pdf extractor has done a good job of removing the markings from the maps.
00:54 <Wrothmonk> I find it amazing how they pack 6 hours worth of story into only ~25 pages.
02:22 <Demoyn> People actually talk in here?  I was beginning to think that was a myth!
03:08 <Wrothmonk> XD we have down times
03:36 <Demoyn> So what are the odds of me finding a Eyes of the Ten game in here?
03:51 <Wrothmonk> Eyes of the ten...
03:56 <Wrothmonk> is that a campaign?
04:00 <Demoyn> PFS for level 12s only.
04:04 <Wrothmonk> Ah
04:05 <Wrothmonk> unlikely
04:06 <Demoyn> Four scenarios.
04:10 <Demoyn> Damn.  :(
04:31 <Wrothmonk> Its mostly our GMs who have level 12s.
04:35 <Wrothmonk> me excluded.
04:51 <Steven> I only have 1 level 12 left
05:02 <Steven> the rest have out leveled
05:11 <Demoyn> But none have played EofT?
05:32 <Steven> yeah, my Life Oracle.
05:49 <HTT-Bird> odd question: is a natural 20 still a crit if an attack roll malus is present? (say from being sickened)
05:53 <Demoyn> Looks like we found a DM.  :P)
06:10 <Steven> nope, not GMing it in here.
06:18 <Wrothmonk> a nat 20 is a nat 20 HTT
06:37 <Wrothmonk> now weather or not you confirm on the other hand...
08:16 <HTT-Bird> yeah, our DM decided not to roll with that.  wasn't a huge deal anyway considering it was a DMPC who got that roll
08:32 <Wrothmonk> ah.
15:31 <Maestro> v.v
15:35 <Maestro> I'm playing Pathfinder right now
15:45 <Maestro> So NATURALLY my room-mates need to watch a movie at full volume.
16:02 <Wrothmonk> Murphy's law
17:24 <Maestro> Meh
17:27 <Wrothmonk> although to be honest I kinda find that law somewhat off. Since it mainly applies to low end things such as Maestro's problem, not high end things like meteoroids crashing into the earth and destroying it.
17:42 <Maestro> ...
17:56 <Maestro> Either I'm just high enough to be tricked, or that is the biggest loophole in Murphy's law ever.
18:34 <HTT-Bird> Wrothmonk, we get meteorites all the time
18:39 <Wrothmonk> yes
18:41 <Wrothmonk> that is true
18:44 <HTT-Bird> its just that most of them burn up in the atmosphere :p
18:49 <Wrothmonk> exactly
19:06 <Wrothmonk> they aren't the size of say; russia.
20:01 <Wrothmonk> Oh theres one thing I have always found to be true; whenever you think yo have figured out the universe, it throws something new at you that fucks up half your understanding /at least/
20:36 <Wrothmonk> and a paradox to that is that in itself, that idea is subject to itself.
21:17 <Steven> imagine this...
21:42 <Steven> in an infinite universe somewhere there is a baby that shits skittles that are immediately eaten by an octopus.
22:24 <Wrothmonk> Theres also a world entirely dedicated to re-inacting two girls one cup.
23:06 <Steven> one can only hope...
23:19 <Wrothmonk> damnit, just when I thought I one-upped you!
24:53 <Steven> not gonna happen wroth...
25:06 <Steven> ive years more of perversion experience than you.
25:23 <Wrothmonk> Yeah, point taken
35:43 <Steven> alrighty... spells to take.
36:46 <Wrothmonk> What are you making?
37:38 <Steven> just picking spells for my oracle.
40:08 <Steven> cant decide on what to pick... mostly because im terribly indecisie
42:17 <Steven> cool thing is i get Mass Heal as an 8th level spell rather than a 9th level spell.
42:44 <Steven> thinkin of Euphoric Tranuility
42:58 <Steven> !spell Euphoric Tranquility
43:02 <diebot> Steven, EUPHORIC TRANQUILITY enchantment (compulsion[mind-affecting, emotion]) bard 6, cleric 8, druid 8, sorcerer/wizard 8 1 standard action Range: touch creature touched Comp: V, S, M/DF (a poppy flower) Duration: 1 round/level Save: none and Will partial (see below) SR:yes
43:03 <diebot> A creature under the effect of this enchantment enters a state of euphoria. The target treats all creatures as dear friends and abhors violence, but may rise up to protect itself if violence is perpetrated against it. Until the end of the spell's duration, the creature's speed is halved, and it cannot make attacks or cast spells. If the creature is
43:03 <diebot> attacked, it gets a Will saving throw. If the saving throw succeeds, the creature can make act normally for 1 round. If the saving throw fails, the creature moves half its speed away from the attacker as its next action. Furthermore, if the creature is interacted with, or questioned while under the effects of this spell, it is considered to have an
43:03 <diebot> attitude of Helpful (see the Diplomacy skill, Core Rulebook 94), though any advice or answers it gives may be disjointed or stream of consciousness due to its euphoric state.
51:41 <Steven> banishment for 6th level spell
54:16 <Steven> there we go, honey took 16th level increase into cha, bought a +4 book
59:53 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: TBA || WotW: Sat 20th 1.30pm || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times in the Schedule! | Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
59:53 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Fri Jul  5 23:36:09 2013
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03:24 <Steven> have 40k to spend
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15:41 <Mekkis> !roll 2d10
17:25 <dicebot> Mekkis, 2d10: [2d10=6,7] 13
17:32 <Steven> mebe the lavender and green ellipsoid
17:42 <Steven> absorb 8th level or lower spells shot at me.
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42:54 <Steven> well 40k to spend...
44:07 <Steven> suppose i could upgrade my belt
44:09 <Goya> heh.  *nods*  You gotta learn to follow the rules..
45:00 <Goya> Its not like her game couldnt be scheduled later..
45:17 <Steven> yup, thats what i said when i emailed her tonight.
45:28 <Steven> she got really pissed, and just left.
46:20 <Goya> Hopefully she'll get over it.  It's not the end of the world.
46:54 <Goya> She probably could have been a good sport and join in...
47:09 <Steven> yup.
47:12 <Steven> but she got pissy
47:51 <Goya> My wife would disagree - but thats a female temperment for ya. ;)
48:19 <Steven> yup... she is pissy cause her boyfriend is out of town
48:28 <Goya> hehe
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49:15 <Steven> and so shes hyper sensative
49:51 <Goya> You just happened to be the last straw at that moment
50:19 <Steven> prolly
52:44 <Steven> Revelation: Channel(Eff. Lvl 24) 12d6+2d6 13/day DC32
55:13 <Goya> I suppose i should head out and get some sleep.  
55:36 <Steven> sleep is for the weak~
56:00 <Goya> agreed!  im still going to get some.  ;)
56:07 <Goya> hehe
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14:39 <mim> Hey ho
14:41 <mim> Sup
15:42 <mim> I need some rule-savvy typo-o' person.
15:46 <mim> Anyone around?
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18:48 <Steven> Feats on the chopping block Toughness or Destructive Dispel
20:33 <Steven> thinkin destructive Dispel
21:20 <Steven> cause i can get 4 spell effects, which means 4 chances to stun a creature. DC26
21:36 <Steven> and after the first save the DC is actually 28
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29:47 <Steven> do you mean ho as in prostitute?
35:50 <Steven> also, most rules questions can be answered by checking the forum
47:54 <Mekkis> hah
48:05 <Mekkis> ?broken
48:06 <diebot> Mekkis, Items that have taken damage in excess of half their total hit points gain the broken condition, meaning they are less effective at their designated task. Check conditions broken-weapon, broken-AC, broken-tool, broken-magic, or broken-misc for more details.
48:12 <Mekkis> ?broken-weapon
48:13 <diebot> Mekkis, Any attacks made with the weapon suffer a –2 penalty on attack and damage rolls. They only score a critical hit on a natural 20 and only deal x2 damage on a confirmed critical hit. If the weapon is a firearm, the misfire value also increases by 4 unless the wielder has gun training in that type of firearm, in which case the misfire value
48:13 <diebot> increases by only 2.
57:39 <Wrothmonk> Hey mekkis, what times are convenient for you that I can run devil we know pt 3?
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20:12 <Mekkis> !search proficiency
20:15 <diebot> Mekkis, Wizard Hook,Elven Chain,Ioun Stone opalescent white pyramid,Bracers Of Archery, Greater,Mithral Full Plate Of Speed,Warden Of The Woods,Belt Of Mighty Hurling, Greater,Horn Of Valhalla,Sun Blade,Robe Of Stars
20:30 <Mekkis> !item Ioun Stone opalescent white pyramid
20:31 <diebot> Mekkis, IOUN STONE OPALESCENT WHITE PYRAMID [moderate transmutation] CL:12 none 10000gp, NULLlb
20:31 <diebot> Each stone of this type is keyed to a particular kind of weapon (heavy flail, light crossbow, short sword, and so on) and grants you proficiency with that weapon. Source: Seekers
20:37 <Mekkis> 10000gp?!
21:12 <Blasticka> that seems low
21:39 <Mekkis> Blasticka, you're just saying that because you haven't looked at what else 10000gp could be spent on
22:09 <Blasticka> I was saying that because the number is either low or high, and it seemed low for what it does.
22:21 <Blasticka> I could of course be wrong. but that was my first impression.
22:23 <Mekkis> what's your reasoning?
22:38 <Blasticka> well, normally to use an exotic weapon you have to spend a feat
22:47 <Mekkis> sure...
22:56 <Blasticka> this stone would take the place of that feat and allow you to get something else more useful with your feat.
22:58 <Steven> 10k for a feat if you really need it isnt so bad
23:05 <Blasticka> that to me is worth more than 10k
23:21 <Mekkis> but you generally don't "really need" a weapon proficiency
23:31 <Blasticka> the real thing that is hamstringing my ability to make a good call is, I haven't gained that much gold myself in games yet.
24:06 <Blasticka> so in my gaming experience, 750 gold is a lot. and then you had me make that level 10 monk and gave me 73k and change, I didn't know what to do with it lol
24:17 <Mekkis> and by the time you have 10k disposable gold, if you DID need the weapon proficiency, you'd have it by then
24:40 <Blasticka> unless I had a rope trick. ;-P
24:58 <Blasticka> did you decide to abuse that loophole in a game?
25:25 <Mekkis> which loophole?
25:40 <Mekkis> the robe?
25:48 <Blasticka> the um, rope robe or string or something
25:52 <Blasticka> and the bag of holding
25:53 <Mekkis> yeah
25:54 <Mekkis> nope
26:12 <Mekkis> I already (ab)used the other one
26:47 <Mekkis> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/persp.php5?a=10
28:53 <Blasticka> that's some pretty good writing
28:58 <Mekkis> thanks
29:24 <Mekkis> it was in 3.5, where if two extradimensional spaces overlapped, Bad Things Happened
29:28 <mib_iq9ulz> Anyone around?
29:53 <Mekkis> my pacifist wizard managed to kill an 18HD black dragon, at 4th level.
29:55 * Steven is a crocodile
30:18 <Blasticka> wow
30:20 <mib_iq9ulz> O.o
30:32 <Mekkis> (and himself)
30:35 <Blasticka> I bet the dm was suprised
30:39 <Blasticka> well of course
30:46 <Mekkis> ask Avatar
30:49 <Mekkis> he was the GM
31:17 <Blasticka> and why were level 4 adventerers going up against a black dragon of that size in the first place lol
31:36 <Mekkis> long story
32:41 <Blasticka> How is your internet doing now?
32:48 <Mekkis> it exists
32:51 <Mekkis> more or less
33:31 <Blasticka> a tenuous thread of existence, connecting you to vast hoards of information and entertainment?
36:19 <Mekkis> that's a bit far
39:30 <Steven> yup....
39:37 <Steven> so hows it goin guys?
39:56 <Mekkis> I succeed a season 4 faction goal yesterday
40:01 <Steven> kick ass
40:02 <Mekkis> and failed the faction mission!
40:07 <Steven> that means im lurking
40:13 <Steven> not kick ass
40:16 <Steven> what scenario?
40:31 <Mekkis> Night march of Karmadeus
40:54 <Mekkis> so I got the prestige
41:16 <Steven> thats a fun one.
41:35 <Mekkis> it was great
41:44 <Mekkis> a lot of great roleplayers on the table
41:53 <Steven> We helped a GM figure out how to kill people better...
42:15 <Steven> when he GMs The Waking Rune at GenCon
43:59 <Steven> Also, we won....
44:34 <Steven> during the fight +5 to attack, +6 to Damage, +4 Saves +1 addition reflex, +5 Skills
44:39 <Steven> all from me.
45:09 <Steven> oh and one extra attack per round
45:32 <Blasticka> whaaaat
45:38 <Blasticka> how did you manage that?
45:46 <Steven> level 9
46:06 <Mekkis> is it better than runecarved key?
46:33 <Blasticka> but all those bonuses for everyone in the party? are you like an oracle or a bard?
47:34 <Steven> Its a damn sight harder
47:51 <Mekkis> that wasn't the questions
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48:02 <Steven> you can play it and find out.
49:38 <mib_iq9ulz> Would you like to unlurk?
51:52 <Steven> not particularly
51:53 <Blasticka> I think we chased away all the people that were going to play first steps with me and Adrian
52:02 <Blasticka> or at least they haven't come back yet.
52:54 <Blasticka> maybe we should construct a lure of some kind. you know, a free sword tree or something shiny.
54:54 <Mekkis> for me?
54:58 <Mekkis> to run something for you?
55:00 <Mekkis> hmmm
55:42 <Mekkis> If you get a table in 30 minutes, I'll run something - call it Before the Dawn I, that's a fun scenario
02:09 <Steven> i like lurking
08:21 <Mekkis> Brunius, did you run into the US embassy last night?
24:25 <CWheezy> hey mekkis
24:37 <CWheezy> two things
24:48 <Blasticka> chicken and beef.
24:51 <Blasticka> nuff said
24:54 <Mekkis> .
25:04 <CWheezy> I tried to add a character to your campaign, and it said name already taken?
25:05 <Mekkis> I had pork and goat
25:21 <Blasticka> I love lamb and salmon too.
25:37 <CWheezy> also I would play but sadly I have already played before the dawn
26:54 <Blasticka> sorry mekkis I had to go help the wife prepare dinner so missed your comments. I think I wasted 20 of my 30 minutes chopping bacon and onion! lol
27:57 <Blasticka> hey guys. did I miss anything interesting?
28:05 <Blasticka> allengirl will play, I would play, hmmm. we would need at least one more
28:27 <CWheezy> I could play a pregen if you really need someone
28:32 <CWheezy> but I have already done it
29:53 <Blasticka> well Kira is always good lol
29:58 <Blasticka> she has seen so much battle
30:15 <Steven> tons
31:18 <Blasticka> I'll see if I can get through to mist
31:23 <CWheezy> "good"
31:35 <Mekkis> don't bother
32:03 <Blasticka> so we had elephants walking around? o.O
33:05 <Blasticka> too late now?
34:43 <Steven> yup
35:04 <Mekkis> yeah. I do have work tomorrow
35:13 <Blasticka> did they eat all my peanuts!??? I will get my rifle if they ate all mah peanuts!
35:57 <Blasticka> of course, it's only a red rider bb rifle but I'm a very good shot...
35:58 <Blasticka> well thanks for the thought we'll take a rain check on that one. :-)
36:12 <Steven> yeah
36:18 <Steven> they ate all the peanuts
36:19 <Brunius> No, THEY didn't eat all your peantues...
36:27 <Brunius> I might have had a couple...
36:43 <Steven> damn it brunius.. i was tryin to cover for ya mang
37:08 <Blasticka> Brunius got in trouble yesterday.
37:10 <Brunius> Well I can hardly stand by and watch him shoot elephants for something I did...
37:31 <Blasticka> but he saved the elephants.
38:00 <Blasticka> *enters berserker rage* Brunius!!! MAH PEANUTS!!
38:15 * Brunius runs away to find his longbow
38:27 <Blasticka> *chk chk, ping!* you have been shot in the bum
38:40 <Brunius> :(
38:49 <Blasticka> roll for damage!
39:00 <Blasticka> !roll 1d1-1
39:01 <dicebot> Blasticka, 1d1-1: [1d1=1] 0
39:21 <Blasticka> you take 0 points of non lethal damage
39:42 <Blasticka> you are demoralized. and um, scared. yeah. real scared.
47:08 <Steven> hey mekkis, whats your favorite character in the range of 7-11?
47:34 <Steven> pfs legal of course?
48:33 <sleepyishmist> hi y'all
49:02 <Blasticka> welcome to the hall of character forging!
49:08 <sleepyishmist> lovely!
49:11 <sleepyishmist> where do i begin
49:14 <Mekkis> why are you asking, Steven ?
49:19 <sleepyishmist> also do i need a completely new name
49:25 <sleepyishmist> for the character
49:34 <Steven> just wondering....
49:39 <sleepyishmist> i am completely too accustomed to some variety of 'mist'
49:41 <Blasticka> are you still thinking you want to go with the Sorcerer or wizard?
49:42 <Steven> pick your character wisely...
49:49 <sleepyishmist> yes actually
50:06 <Mekkis> deceased or grolschmir: they're the most fun to roleplay
50:18 <Steven> roll a fort save.
50:18 <sleepyishmist> i am swaying toward the elemental over draconic sorcerer and not sure whether sorcerer on wizard
50:25 <Mekkis> if I had to choose between them, deceased
51:00 <Mekkis> !!throw 1d20+8
51:03 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+8
51:03 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+8: [1d20=20] 28
51:07 <Blasticka> elemental is good for the extra ray, and some of the spells you gain are very good
51:11 <Blasticka> ooh nice roll mekkis
51:13 <Mekkis> I passed :P
51:27 <Steven> you saved....
51:32 <Steven> how much HP do you have?
51:37 <Mekkis> enough
51:42 <Steven> numbers!
51:55 <Mekkis> spellcraft
52:17 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+24
52:17 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+24: [1d20=7] 31
52:43 <Steven> no clue there was no movement or sound.
52:54 <Steven> how much HP you got son?
52:59 <Blasticka> okay. so the first decision we must make is wizard, or sorcerer.
53:09 <Mekkis> enough
53:14 <sleepyishmist> which is good to start with?
53:17 <Mekkis> 124
53:19 <sleepyishmist> and which is funner?
53:24 <Blasticka> Everyone says that in the end, a wizard is more powerful. but a sorcerer is easier to play
53:50 <Blasticka> I've had a lot of fun with my sorcerer, but it's frusturating sometimes early on when your spells are not as useful as you would like
53:59 <Steven> no seriously mekkis, whats the number?
54:07 <sleepyishmist> aw :<
54:16 <Mekkis> what's the effect?
54:27 <Steven> HP damage.
54:34 <Blasticka> like, you have to get to level 6 to get 3rd level spells
54:40 <Mekkis> oh
54:45 <Mekkis> immune to that
54:48 <Steven> deceased only has 55hp?
55:02 <Mekkis> bit outdated that
55:08 <Blasticka> once you hit level 6 you are a bit of a juggernaut if you pick good spells
55:11 <HTT-Bird> Brunius|M, yeah, Freenode got hit by the skr1pt k1dd13s again
55:33 <Mekkis> 85
55:39 <Steven> well good news you saved!
55:47 <Steven> but you might want to get more HP.
56:03 <Mekkis> what do I get?
56:09 <Blasticka> so, for the Gm's and lurkers in the room, should mist pick wizard or sorcerer?
56:15 <Blasticka> I vote sorcere
56:20 <Blasticka> *sorcerer
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59:21 <sleepyishmist> !throw 1d20
59:21 <diebot> sleepyishmist, 1d20: [1d20=3] 3
59:37 <sleepyishmist> !throw 1d20
59:37 <diebot> sleepyishmist, 1d20: [1d20=18] 18
59:41 <sleepyishmist> oh
59:47 <sleepyishmist> well that makes it a little harder
59:56 <sleepyishmist> wanted sorc as even wizard as odd
00:00 <Steven> sorc is nice because they get cool abilities.
00:10 <sleepyishmist> doesn't everyone?
04:58 <Blasticka> *rage wears off*
05:14 * Blasticka stows his rifle away
05:20 <Blasticka> okay you can all come back now
10:44 <CWheezy> all other stats are nothing for you, really
10:50 <Steven> i really hope we dont see a Gm kill a player.
11:07 <Mekkis> and IIRC, there's no published monster with resistance to about five tons of plutonium suddenly coming into being.
11:27 <Blasticka> human wizards get some nice bonus feats and such
11:40 <Blasticka> another good choice can be elf, for the bonus to intelligence and dexterity
11:42 <CWheezy> elven is probably the best overall
11:44 <Steven> though... the ultra conservative Christians probably believe us D&Ders do that regularly
11:47 <CWheezy> because of spell ben
11:50 <Mekkis> elf is fun
11:55 <Blasticka> but there is a minus to your constitituion.
12:03 <CWheezy> so, put all your points there
12:10 <CWheezy> what are you going to use them on, charisma
12:16 <CWheezy> strength?
12:21 <Mekkis> if you play an elvish wizard, Steven will tell you that you don't have enough HP
12:24 <sleepyishmist> wha
12:26 <CWheezy> maybe strength, books are heavy
12:33 <sleepyishmist> ha
12:33 <Mekkis> so /ignore steven and build it anyway!!!
12:44 <CWheezy> most races are fine wizards
12:46 <Steven> yeah... crazy me telling you to get more HPs.
12:52 <Blasticka> well, heres whatcha do. you start with 20 points
13:03 <Steven> never listen to me and my craziness about more HPs
13:07 <Blasticka> if you spend 10 of them, your intelligence will be a 16
13:21 <Blasticka> later on you get to add a plus 2 bonus for free
13:29 <Mekkis> I'm all for putting 13 points at int to bring it to 17
13:48 <Blasticka> you can spend 5 points on dexterity, to make it a 14 if you like, and later it will become a 16
13:58 <CWheezy> next stat is con
14:03 <CWheezy> the cool thing about rays
14:07 <CWheezy> is that your chance to hit goes up
14:10 <CWheezy> as you level
14:11 <Blasticka> and you can minus a few points in wisdom, to allow you to get your con up as high as you can
14:13 <sleepyishmist> whaaaaaa
14:14 <CWheezy> and the ac you have to hit goes down
14:16 <CWheezy> as you level
14:35 <Blasticka> yeah. I know you like to zap things, but scorching ray is pretty cool.
14:42 <Steven> the HPs are important... but only if you wanna listen to me.
14:42 <Mekkis> 14 to dex, 14 to con, 17 to int, and push str to 8 and cha to 9
14:44 <Mekkis> easy
14:53 <Mekkis> 9 14 14 17 10 9
15:01 <Mekkis> umm
15:04 <Mekkis> 8 14 14 17 10 9
15:14 <Mekkis> then add elvish racials to get
15:20 <Mekkis> 8 16 12 19 10 9
15:32 <Blasticka> that's very respectable indeed
15:40 <sleepyishmist> doing
15:43 <Blasticka> 19 intel is fun
15:51 <Blasticka> cause you get so many skill points
15:58 <sleepyishmist> so do i go
16:02 <Blasticka> you can get alllll the knowledge ones
16:05 <sleepyishmist> 17 +2 for tot/mod
16:13 <Blasticka> put a 19 in the big box
16:15 <Mekkis> you put all of them in your totals
16:19 <Mekkis> (all of the above)
16:24 <Mekkis> and it MAY calculate mods
16:25 <Blasticka> and explain in the far right that you have a plus 2 bonus from elf
16:54 <CWheezy> oh geez 2 con
16:57 <CWheezy> 12 con
16:59 <CWheezy> as a wizard
17:02 <CWheezy> bad idea imo
17:10 <Mekkis> it's enough
17:26 <Mekkis> you're starting with 8hp, and there's always toughness
17:30 <Blasticka> hmm. can we shave off any more cha to boost con?
17:35 <CWheezy> yes
18:11 <Mekkis> if a +3 mod to HP per level isn't enough, there's something wrong with your playstyle
18:37 <Steven> or go aasimar, peri-blooded 2 int 2 cha, 9/14/14/17/12/9
18:55 <Mekkis> if you want to spend $10 on books to make it legal
19:06 <CWheezy> or you know that fireballs do a lot of damage and you have a bad reflex save
19:07 <CWheezy> yeah
19:25 <Mekkis> fireballs don't do "a lot of damage"
19:25 <sleepyishmist> i'll try to come back tomorrow after reehearsal but i am sleepy atm
19:28 <sleepyishmist> nini y'all <3
19:36 <sleepyishmist> thanks so much for the help
19:40 <Blasticka> good. remember to click the 4 buttons
19:43 <Mekkis> they do 1d6 per level. You have 1d6+3 HP per level.
19:43 <Steven> yeah fireballs are kinda meh late game.
19:43 <CWheezy> well when you have a d6 hit die they sure do
19:46 <sleepyishmist> mekkis your name reminds me of a meki pentant
19:50 <Blasticka> autofill, calculate, check, save
19:58 <Blasticka> otherwise you might lose your progress
19:59 <Mekkis> what's that?
20:04 <sleepyishmist> (:
20:15 <CWheezy> they actually do quite a bit if you specialize in them, see the blockbuster wizard guide
20:29 <sleepyishmist> wait where do i find save
20:43 <CWheezy> also, most casters I have found are higher level than you in pfs
20:46 <Blasticka> it's a little green button near the top kind of in the middle on the right
20:49 <Mekkis>    A smart character (one with high Intelligence) is curious, knowledge-
20:50 <Mekkis> able, and prone to using big words. A character with a high Intelligence
20:50 <Mekkis> but low Wisdom may be smart but absentminded, or knowledgeable but
20:50 <Mekkis> lacking in common sense. A character with a high Intelligence but a low
20:50 <Mekkis> Charisma may be a know-it-all or a reclusive scholar. A smart character
20:50 <Mekkis> lacking in both Wisdom and Charisma may put her foot in her mouth
20:52 <CWheezy> and they sure do love their fireballs
20:52 <Mekkis> often.
21:06 <Mekkis> CWheezy, sure
21:07 <Mekkis> but...
21:08 <Mekkis> as I was saying
21:22 <Mekkis> you still get 1d6+3 (or 1d6+2) HP per level
21:30 <Mekkis> which is considerably more than the fireball does
21:45 <Mekkis> and if you're worried about fireballs, Resist Energy
22:01 <CWheezy> sorry, I see you are mis understanding
22:09 <CWheezy> I should have said X does a lot of damage
22:16 <CWheezy> where x = a lot of things
22:33 <Blasticka> does x = chicken wings?
22:36 <Mekkis> yes, but as a wizard, you just ensure that Y is in between you and X
22:45 <CWheezy> you think 12 con is fine, sure, whatever
22:51 <Blasticka> it's certainly doing a lot of damage to my waistline
23:22 <CWheezy> what am i going to say? any arguments just make you believe your position more
23:57 <Mekkis> do you seriously believe that a +3 HP mod per level is NOT enough?
24:13 <Mekkis> (other than edge-case builds like melee sorcerers?)
25:48 <Steven> more HP is better than less HP.
25:52 <CWheezy> yes
26:09 <CWheezy> also your is 2
26:18 <CWheezy> 12 con is +1, class is +1
26:47 <Mekkis> I brought up toughness for +1
27:10 <CWheezy> oh ok
27:20 <Mekkis> IF that's the case, then there's something very wrong with the system.
27:36 <Blasticka> with toughness, and a con of 14, my sorcerer is at 19 hp at level 2
27:44 <CWheezy> remember an average level 1 fighter does 2d6 +9
27:55 <Mekkis> haha
27:58 <Mekkis> "average"
28:05 <CWheezy> ????
28:05 <Steven> see ya in.... average... what average?
28:24 <CWheezy> 18 strength and power attack?
28:26 <Mekkis> Show me ONE scenario that has a level 1 fighter doing that much damage
28:55 <Steven> imma go get some icecream
28:57 <Steven> see ya in a bit
29:04 <Blasticka> Drohgnor can do about 2d6+7. 
29:12 <Blasticka> something like that
29:27 <CWheezy> well, pfs is pretty nice
29:31 <Blasticka> I'm honestly not super sure how power attack works which is frusturating.
29:42 <CWheezy> yes, it is annoying
29:52 <CWheezy> -1 to hit, for +2 damage
30:05 <CWheezy> if you are using a two handed weapon, it is -1 for +3
30:15 <Blasticka> yeah greatsword for Droggy
30:18 <CWheezy> every 4 bab your character has, the bonus and penalties double
30:22 <Mekkis> (hint, in PFS, heroic NPCs are built using the elite array: 15 14 13 12 10 8... and thus at first level CANNOT do that)
30:28 <Blasticka> later on it will be a falchion
30:39 <CWheezy> nodachi is actually slighter better
30:41 <CWheezy> if you care
30:59 <CWheezy> so 2d6+7 then?
31:08 <CWheezy> also there are orcs
31:14 <Blasticka> Drohgnor is fun but not may main character.
31:17 <Mekkis> sure
31:19 <CWheezy> so 19 str isn't impossible
31:36 <Ultio> in PFS 20 str is possible
31:46 <Ultio> take 18 and then the racial +2
31:47 <Mekkis> Ultio, we're talking NPCs
31:51 <Ultio> oh
31:52 <Steven> in PFS 23 str is possible first level....
32:04 <CWheezy> so is 27 health
32:09 <CWheezy> and reasonable damage
32:15 <Mekkis> I thought 24 was...
32:45 <Blasticka> hello forever.
32:52 <CWheezy> yes, if you are saying most of the npcs are built terribly with subpar feats I will agree
32:58 <Steven> i should say 23 at character creation.
33:00 <Blasticka> how are you today?
33:21 <CWheezy> I also notice a lot of stat blocks actually do not have power attack factored in
33:23 <CWheezy> for whatever reason
34:08 <Mekkis> So if that's the case, why do you deem it necessary to spend at least a quarter of your ability points into increasing your HP?
34:36 <Steven> damn it icecream....
34:42 <Steven> alright, steppin away, see you guys in a bit.
34:48 <CWheezy> I mean
34:52 <CWheezy> first steps
34:57 <CWheezy> ledford does 1d10 +7
35:03 <Blasticka> hmm. so you are setting forth that it might be better to focus on damage and or armor class and avoidance?
35:06 <CWheezy> average of 12 damage
35:06 <Mekkis> firstly: 2d6+7 won't kill you. Secondly: an orc has a CR bump before you start adding class levels. Thirdly, a d6HD character would generally stay behind
35:28 <CWheezy> that is a lot
35:44 <Mekkis> sure. it is. But it won't kill any character with 12 con
35:45 <CWheezy> blasticka, it is possible to do both, but hard
36:04 <CWheezy> being at negatives is pretty bad imo
36:20 <CWheezy> also a lot of fights I am seeing now there is no "in the back" because it is three dimensiona
36:20 <Blasticka> well Drohgnor is at 2 very big negatives
36:26 <Steven> yeah.... dont want to get up close and personal with a d6 character unless you dumpin major points into con
36:42 <CWheezy> also, fun fact, I have a joke wizard with 5 con
36:46 <Steven> damn it.... icecream.
36:49 <Blasticka> he has 5 cha, and 7 int.
36:50 <Steven> okay leaving now.
36:55 <Blasticka> you okay steven?
37:09 <CWheezy> nah, 20 int, 16 wis, 16 dex
37:13 <CWheezy> 7 str 7 cha
37:17 <CWheezy> favoured class into skills
37:21 <Blasticka> no I'm talking about Drohgnor
37:28 <Blasticka> my fighter. he's a dwarf
37:29 <CWheezy> oh, ha
37:37 <CWheezy> oh tough break, you picked fighter
38:12 <CWheezy> just kidding, fighters can be effective
38:52 <Mekkis> Blasticka, do you know what they say about min/maxed characters?
39:16 <Blasticka> ummmm, they die?
39:25 <Blasticka> he has a lot of hp. 16 at level 1
39:48 <Blasticka> 18 str, 14 dex, 13 wis, 16 con
39:50 <Mekkis> "The difference between a balanced character and a min/maxed one is the reaction when they die."
40:22 <Mekkis> the difference between "That's a pity" and "Glad that's over with"
40:39 <Blasticka> heh. but he's so fun to roleplay
40:54 <Blasticka> DROHGNORRRRR SMAAASH!
42:08 <Mekkis> Darkwhite said it best: Playing a 20 means that you'll blitz all the encounters, until you die a horrible death
42:45 <Mekkis> looking at my PFS characters:
43:21 <Mekkis> None of them have more than 14 con.
43:37 <Mekkis> I've only had one death in over eighty sessions
43:47 <Blasticka> dats cause yer sneaky
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44:50 <Steven> BACK
44:54 <Steven> i has icecream
50:14 <spider21b> hi!
52:22 <Wrothmonk> hello
54:00 <spider21b> how are things?
54:07 <Wrothmonk> good.
29:17 <Steven> great here!
30:40 <Steven> cant decide on a 7th level spell still.... 
30:53 <Steven> think imma just get ressurection
19:51 <Mekkis> Last night I failed my faction mission, but successfully completed my season 4 faction goal!
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53:53 <spider21b> nice
54:48 <Mekkis> now Kalamedes is going on a tour of Varisia, promoting the Pathfinder Society
54:53 <Wrothmonk> Hey mekkis, when would you like me to run devil we know pt 3 so that its convenient for you?
55:21 <Mekkis> next Wednesday evening, my time
55:28 <Mekkis> start around 1800 AEST
58:03 <Wrothmonk> hrm... That may be a problem for me, 3 am in the morning.
01:31 <Wrothmonk> would 10 am sunday your time work?
07:24 <Wrothmonk> If not I will give my best shot to not sleep through the starting time :P
17:10 <spider21b> i am here!
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41:15 <HTT-Bird> o/ Brunius 
41:50 * Brunius hides under the table
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43:19 <Brunius> Whoops, wrong button
43:25 <HTT-Bird> :p
43:37 <Brunius> Turns out Ctrl+W is part channel in x-chat
43:41 <HTT-Bird> go figure.
48:06 <HTT-Bird> so.  I seem to be having trouble with the "improv acting" part of RP...(more or less, my characters come out a bit wooden/robotic at best)
48:22 <HTT-Bird> where should I even start looking for advice?
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16:11 <Mekkis> !roll 2d10
16:12 <dicebot> Mekkis, 2d10: [2d10=6,7] 13
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58:34 <Wrothmonk> Hey mekkis, what times are convenient for you that I can run devil we know pt 3?
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47:26 <Steven> thats freakin wierd, mirc wont let me connect
49:54 <Steven> so tonight was fun...
50:41 <Steven> Did The Waking rune.
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59:25 <Steven> yup....
59:36 <Steven> think im alone in here
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38:40 <Steven> sup goya
39:13 <Goya> Not much - still in hotels...  How go things?
39:48 <Steven> not bad, had a game day today
39:48 <Steven> pissed off a friend.
40:04 <Goya> Local or online?
40:13 <Steven> local
40:20 <Steven> she wanted to schedule a game, told her to send me an email.
40:24 <Steven> she never sent me an email
40:28 <Steven> so i didnt schedule it
40:31 <Goya> hehe.  Sometimes that can't be avoided..
41:19 <Goya> You DO make players cry after all.. ;)
41:34 <Steven> sometimes
41:48 <Steven> but yeah, after i made up the schedule and people signed up
42:04 <Steven> she showed up and was like, hey did you schedule it, and i was like... no.
42:08 <Steven> you didnt send me an email
42:40 <Steven> she said, Well i'll just change the game to the one i want, to which i replied no, leave the schedule how it is
43:00 <Steven> and she just reiterated her point at a louder volume and i was like its not happening.
43:15 <Goya> heh.  *nods*  You gotta learn to follow the rules..
44:05 <Goya> Its not like her game couldnt be scheduled later..
44:23 <Steven> yup, thats what i said when i emailed her tonight.
44:36 <Steven> she got really pissed, and just left.
45:25 <Goya> Hopefully she'll get over it.  It's not the end of the world.
46:00 <Goya> She probably could have been a good sport and join in...
46:15 <Steven> yup.
46:18 <Steven> but she got pissy
46:58 <Goya> My wife would disagree - but thats a female temperment for ya. ;)
47:32 <Steven> yup... she is pissy cause her boyfriend is out of town
47:33 <Goya> hehe
48:20 <Steven> and so shes hyper sensative
48:58 <Goya> You just happened to be the last straw at that moment
49:25 <Steven> prolly
54:20 <Goya> I suppose i should head out and get some sleep.  
54:42 <Steven> sleep is for the weak~
55:06 <Goya> agreed!  im still going to get some.  ;)
55:13 <Goya> hehe
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13:45 <mim> Hey ho
13:46 <mim> Sup
14:50 <mim> I need some rule-savvy typo-o' person.
14:52 <mim> Anyone around?
28:53 <Steven> do you mean ho as in prostitute?
34:55 <Steven> also, most rules questions can be answered by checking the forum
46:59 <Mekkis> hah
47:10 <Mekkis> ?broken
47:11 <diebot> Mekkis, Items that have taken damage in excess of half their total hit points gain the broken condition, meaning they are less effective at their designated task. Check conditions broken-weapon, broken-AC, broken-tool, broken-magic, or broken-misc for more details.
47:18 <Mekkis> ?broken-weapon
47:18 <diebot> Mekkis, Any attacks made with the weapon suffer a –2 penalty on attack and damage rolls. They only score a critical hit on a natural 20 and only deal x2 damage on a confirmed critical hit. If the weapon is a firearm, the misfire value also increases by 4 unless the wielder has gun training in that type of firearm, in which case the misfire value
47:19 <diebot> increases by only 2.
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19:18 <Mekkis> !search proficiency
19:20 <diebot> Mekkis, Wizard Hook,Elven Chain,Ioun Stone opalescent white pyramid,Bracers Of Archery, Greater,Mithral Full Plate Of Speed,Warden Of The Woods,Belt Of Mighty Hurling, Greater,Horn Of Valhalla,Sun Blade,Robe Of Stars
19:35 <Mekkis> !item Ioun Stone opalescent white pyramid
19:36 <diebot> Mekkis, IOUN STONE OPALESCENT WHITE PYRAMID [moderate transmutation] CL:12 none 10000gp, NULLlb
19:36 <diebot> Each stone of this type is keyed to a particular kind of weapon (heavy flail, light crossbow, short sword, and so on) and grants you proficiency with that weapon. Source: Seekers
19:42 <Mekkis> 10000gp?!
20:17 <Blasticka> that seems low
20:44 <Mekkis> Blasticka, you're just saying that because you haven't looked at what else 10000gp could be spent on
21:14 <Blasticka> I was saying that because the number is either low or high, and it seemed low for what it does.
21:27 <Blasticka> I could of course be wrong. but that was my first impression.
21:28 <Mekkis> what's your reasoning?
21:43 <Blasticka> well, normally to use an exotic weapon you have to spend a feat
21:52 <Mekkis> sure...
22:01 <Blasticka> this stone would take the place of that feat and allow you to get something else more useful with your feat.
22:03 <Steven> 10k for a feat if you really need it isnt so bad
22:10 <Blasticka> that to me is worth more than 10k
22:25 <Mekkis> but you generally don't "really need" a weapon proficiency
22:37 <Blasticka> the real thing that is hamstringing my ability to make a good call is, I haven't gained that much gold myself in games yet.
23:12 <Blasticka> so in my gaming experience, 750 gold is a lot. and then you had me make that level 10 monk and gave me 73k and change, I didn't know what to do with it lol
23:22 <Mekkis> and by the time you have 10k disposable gold, if you DID need the weapon proficiency, you'd have it by then
23:46 <Blasticka> unless I had a rope trick. ;-P
24:04 <Blasticka> did you decide to abuse that loophole in a game?
24:31 <Mekkis> which loophole?
24:45 <Mekkis> the robe?
24:55 <Blasticka> the um, rope robe or string or something
24:58 <Mekkis> yeah
24:58 <Blasticka> and the bag of holding
24:59 <Mekkis> nope
25:17 <Mekkis> I already (ab)used the other one
25:52 <Mekkis> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/persp.php5?a=10
27:58 <Blasticka> that's some pretty good writing
28:03 <Mekkis> thanks
28:29 <Mekkis> it was in 3.5, where if two extradimensional spaces overlapped, Bad Things Happened
28:58 <Mekkis> my pacifist wizard managed to kill an 18HD black dragon, at 4th level.
29:25 <Blasticka> wow
29:37 <Mekkis> (and himself)
29:41 <Blasticka> I bet the dm was suprised
29:44 <Blasticka> well of course
29:51 <Mekkis> ask Avatar
29:54 <Mekkis> he was the GM
30:24 <Blasticka> and why were level 4 adventerers going up against a black dragon of that size in the first place lol
30:41 <Mekkis> long story
31:47 <Blasticka> How is your internet doing now?
31:53 <Mekkis> it exists
31:56 <Mekkis> more or less
32:37 <Blasticka> a tenuous thread of existence, connecting you to vast hoards of information and entertainment?
35:24 <Mekkis> that's a bit far
38:36 <Steven> yup....
38:42 <Steven> so hows it goin guys?
39:01 <Mekkis> I succeed a season 4 faction goal yesterday
39:06 <Steven> kick ass
39:07 <Mekkis> and failed the faction mission!
39:26 <Steven> not kick ass
39:27 <Steven> what scenario?
39:36 <Mekkis> Night march of Karmadeus
39:58 <Mekkis> so I got the prestige
40:22 <Steven> thats a fun one.
40:40 <Mekkis> it was great
40:49 <Mekkis> a lot of great roleplayers on the table
40:59 <Steven> We helped a GM figure out how to kill people better...
41:22 <Steven> when he GMs The Waking Rune at GenCon
43:04 <Steven> Also, we won....
43:40 <Steven> during the fight +5 to attack, +6 to Damage, +4 Saves +1 addition reflex, +5 Skills
43:46 <Steven> all from me.
44:14 <Steven> oh and one extra attack per round
44:38 <Blasticka> whaaaat
44:44 <Blasticka> how did you manage that?
44:53 <Steven> level 9
45:10 <Mekkis> is it better than runecarved key?
45:40 <Blasticka> but all those bonuses for everyone in the party? are you like an oracle or a bard?
46:40 <Steven> Its a damn sight harder
46:56 <Mekkis> that wasn't the questions
47:08 <Steven> you can play it and find out.
50:59 <Blasticka> I think we chased away all the people that were going to play first steps with me and Adrian
51:11 <Blasticka> or at least they haven't come back yet.
52:00 <Blasticka> maybe we should construct a lure of some kind. you know, a free sword tree or something shiny.
53:59 <Mekkis> for me?
54:03 <Mekkis> to run something for you?
54:05 <Mekkis> hmmm
54:46 <Mekkis> If you get a table in 30 minutes, I'll run something - call it Before the Dawn I, that's a fun scenario
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07:26 <Mekkis> Brunius, did you run into the US embassy last night?
23:30 <CWheezy> hey mekkis
23:43 <CWheezy> two things
23:53 <Blasticka> chicken and beef.
23:56 <Blasticka> nuff said
23:59 <Mekkis> .
24:10 <CWheezy> I tried to add a character to your campaign, and it said name already taken?
24:10 <Mekkis> I had pork and goat
24:29 <Blasticka> I love lamb and salmon too.
24:42 <CWheezy> also I would play but sadly I have already played before the dawn
25:59 <Blasticka> sorry mekkis I had to go help the wife prepare dinner so missed your comments. I think I wasted 20 of my 30 minutes chopping bacon and onion! lol
27:12 <Blasticka> allengirl will play, I would play, hmmm. we would need at least one more
27:34 <CWheezy> I could play a pregen if you really need someone
27:38 <CWheezy> but I have already done it
29:02 <Blasticka> well Kira is always good lol
29:04 <Blasticka> she has seen so much battle
30:25 <Blasticka> I'll see if I can get through to mist
30:28 <CWheezy> "good"
30:40 <Mekkis> don't bother
32:11 <Blasticka> too late now?
34:09 <Mekkis> yeah. I do have work tomorrow
35:03 <Blasticka> well thanks for the thought we'll take a rain check on that one. :-)
36:14 <Blasticka> Brunius got in trouble yesterday.
36:36 <Blasticka> but he saved the elephants.
46:13 <Steven> hey mekkis, whats your favorite character in the range of 7-11?
46:39 <Steven> pfs legal of course?
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47:38 <sleepyishmist> hi y'all
48:08 <Blasticka> welcome to the hall of character forging!
48:14 <sleepyishmist> lovely!
48:17 <sleepyishmist> where do i begin
48:19 <Mekkis> why are you asking, Steven ?
48:26 <sleepyishmist> also do i need a completely new name
48:31 <sleepyishmist> for the character
48:39 <Steven> just wondering....
48:47 <sleepyishmist> i am completely too accustomed to some variety of 'mist'
48:48 <Blasticka> are you still thinking you want to go with the Sorcerer or wizard?
48:48 <Steven> pick your character wisely...
48:57 <sleepyishmist> yes actually
49:11 <Mekkis> deceased or grolschmir: they're the most fun to roleplay
49:23 <Steven> roll a fort save.
49:24 <sleepyishmist> i am swaying toward the elemental over draconic sorcerer and not sure whether sorcerer on wizard
49:30 <Mekkis> if I had to choose between them, deceased
50:05 <Mekkis> !!throw 1d20+8
50:08 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+8
50:09 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+8: [1d20=20] 28
50:12 <Blasticka> elemental is good for the extra ray, and some of the spells you gain are very good
50:16 <Blasticka> ooh nice roll mekkis
50:18 <Mekkis> I passed :P
50:33 <Steven> you saved....
50:37 <Steven> how much HP do you have?
50:42 <Mekkis> enough
50:48 <Steven> numbers!
50:57 <Mekkis> spellcraft
51:22 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+24
51:23 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20+24: [1d20=7] 31
51:48 <Steven> no clue there was no movement or sound.
52:00 <Steven> how much HP you got son?
52:05 <Blasticka> okay. so the first decision we must make is wizard, or sorcerer.
52:11 <Mekkis> enough
52:19 <sleepyishmist> which is good to start with?
52:22 <Mekkis> 124
52:24 <sleepyishmist> and which is funner?
52:31 <Blasticka> Everyone says that in the end, a wizard is more powerful. but a sorcerer is easier to play
52:57 <Blasticka> I've had a lot of fun with my sorcerer, but it's frusturating sometimes early on when your spells are not as useful as you would like
53:04 <Steven> no seriously mekkis, whats the number?
53:13 <sleepyishmist> aw :<
53:21 <Mekkis> what's the effect?
53:36 <Steven> HP damage.
53:39 <Blasticka> like, you have to get to level 6 to get 3rd level spells
53:45 <Mekkis> oh
53:50 <Mekkis> immune to that
53:54 <Steven> deceased only has 55hp?
54:06 <Mekkis> bit outdated that
54:14 <Blasticka> once you hit level 6 you are a bit of a juggernaut if you pick good spells
54:38 <Mekkis> 85
54:45 <Steven> well good news you saved!
54:52 <Steven> but you might want to get more HP.
55:08 <Mekkis> what do I get?
55:14 <Blasticka> so, for the Gm's and lurkers in the room, should mist pick wizard or sorcerer?
55:23 <Blasticka> I vote sorcere
55:25 <Blasticka> *sorcerer
58:26 <sleepyishmist> !throw 1d20
58:27 <diebot> sleepyishmist, 1d20: [1d20=3] 3
58:46 <sleepyishmist> !throw 1d20
58:47 <diebot> sleepyishmist, 1d20: [1d20=18] 18
58:47 <sleepyishmist> oh
58:54 <sleepyishmist> well that makes it a little harder
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00:05 <CWheezy> wizard gets pretty cool abilities
00:10 <CWheezy> like insanely high initiative
00:17 <Steven> only some of them...
00:29 <sleepyishmist> !throw 5d20
00:30 <diebot> sleepyishmist, 5d20: [5d20=4,11,16,9,1] 41
00:40 <CWheezy> oh the best bloodline for sorc is arcane
00:54 <Mekkis> what? why?
00:59 <CWheezy> regardless of what you choose, you will be a full caster
01:14 <Blasticka> I like the spells that come with elemental
01:15 <Steven> sorcs get really nice abilities and have the always fun robe of arcane heritage
01:38 <CWheezy> bloodline arcana is insanely good
01:45 <CWheezy> also, arcane bond is super good
02:10 <CWheezy> also metamagic adept is super good
02:17 <CWheezy> just so many things are good haha
02:40 <Mekkis> Steven's trying to convince me that my character should be more broken
03:10 <Mekkis> I wonder how his oracle would deal with my PFS-legal 10th-level wizard...
03:25 <CWheezy> whoever would go first would probably win
03:44 <CWheezy> if oracle goes first he can avoid wall of force
03:58 <Steven> not more broken, just more HPs
04:01 <Blasticka> I think I would disagree on the arcana thing
04:20 <Blasticka> but I haven't been playing pfs for that long
04:22 <CWheezy> you think some shitty ray for 16+3 is better or what
04:26 <CWheezy> 1d6
04:57 <Blasticka> I'm focusing on the bonus spells. the spells for arcana don't appeal to my playstyle
05:17 <Blasticka> I like to blow stuff up and set it on fire.
05:22 <Blasticka> hence. fire elemental bloodline
05:28 <Mekkis> I went fey
05:34 <CWheezy> you know that fire is the most common resistance right
05:35 <Blasticka> Mist, it's all about what you want to do.
05:45 <sleepyishmist> uhm
05:46 <Mekkis> mist, go wizard :)
05:53 <Mekkis> there are never enough of them
05:55 <sleepyishmist> zap things do damage don't die
05:57 <CWheezy> I will give you
06:04 <CWheezy> !roll 1d20
06:04 <dicebot> CWheezy, 1d20: [1d20=16] 16
06:16 <CWheezy> 16 points if you know what is the least common resistance
06:26 <Blasticka> acid
06:27 <Mekkis> force
06:43 <CWheezy> force isn't an element
06:47 <Blasticka> are we talking elemental or all damages?
06:51 <sleepyishmist> explosion
06:57 <Mekkis> Smite (alignment)
07:02 <CWheezy> elemental
07:07 <CWheezy> acid is wrong btw
07:22 <CWheezy> well
07:26 <CWheezy> resist
07:39 <CWheezy> the least common resistance is sonic
07:41 <Mekkis> Major creation for "A sphere, total volume 9 cubic feet, of a single element with a density between that of gold and platinum"
07:54 <Blasticka> and sonic is an element? in what universe
07:56 <Blasticka> lol
08:06 <CWheezy> it is just the least common resistance
08:16 <Blasticka> but you said elemental
08:22 <sleepyishmist> i think i will do wizard
08:26 <Blasticka> wizard it is!
08:28 <sleepyishmist> would it be a witch then
08:30 <CWheezy> I said elemental after, then corrected myself
08:31 <sleepyishmist> ?_?
08:37 <Mekkis> no, just a female wizard
08:38 <Blasticka> so you need a lot of intelligence
08:46 <CWheezy> your first guess was still incorrect
08:48 <sleepyishmist> gotcha
08:53 <Mekkis> CWheezy, if sonic is an element, so is force
08:55 <Blasticka> certain races have bonuses to intelligence
09:06 <sleepyishmist> uhm what is difference between character and player 
09:13 <Mekkis> the character is what you play
09:15 <Blasticka> dexterity can also be important if you do ranged touch spells like rays
09:15 <sleepyishmist> because both same in this type of thing
09:16 <Mekkis> the player is you
09:23 <sleepyishmist> herp
09:28 <sleepyishmist> it's 5am give me a break
09:28 <Mekkis> so if your GM kills the player, he's a murderer
09:36 <CWheezy> as a wizard, your main stat is int
09:38 <Mekkis> if the GM kills the character, he's an arsehole
09:40 <CWheezy> your 2nd stat is con
09:49 <CWheezy> all other stats are nothing for you, really
09:55 <Steven> i really hope we dont see a Gm kill a player.
10:12 <Mekkis> and IIRC, there's no published monster with resistance to about five tons of plutonium suddenly coming into being.
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10:35 <Blasticka> human wizards get some nice bonus feats and such
10:46 <Blasticka> another good choice can be elf, for the bonus to intelligence and dexterity
10:48 <CWheezy> elven is probably the best overall
10:49 <Steven> though... the ultra conservative Christians probably believe us D&Ders do that regularly
10:53 <CWheezy> because of spell ben
10:55 <Mekkis> elf is fun
11:00 <Blasticka> but there is a minus to your constitituion.
11:09 <CWheezy> so, put all your points there
11:15 <CWheezy> what are you going to use them on, charisma
11:22 <CWheezy> strength?
11:26 <Mekkis> if you play an elvish wizard, Steven will tell you that you don't have enough HP
11:29 <sleepyishmist> wha
11:32 <CWheezy> maybe strength, books are heavy
11:38 <Mekkis> so /ignore steven and build it anyway!!!
11:38 <sleepyishmist> ha
11:51 <CWheezy> most races are fine wizards
11:52 <Steven> yeah... crazy me telling you to get more HPs.
11:58 <Blasticka> well, heres whatcha do. you start with 20 points
12:08 <Steven> never listen to me and my craziness about more HPs
12:12 <Blasticka> if you spend 10 of them, your intelligence will be a 16
12:27 <Blasticka> later on you get to add a plus 2 bonus for free
12:33 <Mekkis> I'm all for putting 13 points at int to bring it to 17
12:55 <Blasticka> you can spend 5 points on dexterity, to make it a 14 if you like, and later it will become a 16
13:05 <CWheezy> next stat is con
13:09 <CWheezy> the cool thing about rays
13:13 <CWheezy> is that your chance to hit goes up
13:15 <CWheezy> as you level
13:16 <Blasticka> and you can minus a few points in wisdom, to allow you to get your con up as high as you can
13:18 <sleepyishmist> whaaaaaa
13:19 <CWheezy> and the ac you have to hit goes down
13:21 <CWheezy> as you level
13:41 <Blasticka> yeah. I know you like to zap things, but scorching ray is pretty cool.
13:47 <Mekkis> 14 to dex, 14 to con, 17 to int, and push str to 8 and cha to 9
13:48 <Steven> the HPs are important... but only if you wanna listen to me.
13:49 <Mekkis> easy
13:58 <Mekkis> 9 14 14 17 10 9
14:06 <Mekkis> umm
14:09 <Mekkis> 8 14 14 17 10 9
14:18 <Mekkis> then add elvish racials to get
14:24 <Mekkis> 8 16 12 19 10 9
14:38 <Blasticka> that's very respectable indeed
14:47 <sleepyishmist> doing
14:49 <Blasticka> 19 intel is fun
14:58 <Blasticka> cause you get so many skill points
15:05 <sleepyishmist> so do i go
15:08 <Blasticka> you can get alllll the knowledge ones
15:10 <sleepyishmist> 17 +2 for tot/mod
15:19 <Mekkis> you put all of them in your totals
15:20 <Blasticka> put a 19 in the big box
15:23 <Mekkis> (all of the above)
15:29 <Mekkis> and it MAY calculate mods
15:31 <Blasticka> and explain in the far right that you have a plus 2 bonus from elf
16:00 <CWheezy> oh geez 2 con
16:02 <CWheezy> 12 con
16:04 <CWheezy> as a wizard
16:07 <CWheezy> bad idea imo
16:15 <Mekkis> it's enough
16:31 <Mekkis> you're starting with 8hp, and there's always toughness
16:36 <Blasticka> hmm. can we shave off any more cha to boost con?
16:40 <CWheezy> yes
17:16 <Mekkis> if a +3 mod to HP per level isn't enough, there's something wrong with your playstyle
17:43 <Steven> or go aasimar, peri-blooded 2 int 2 cha, 9/14/14/17/12/9
17:59 <Mekkis> if you want to spend $10 on books to make it legal
18:14 <CWheezy> or you know that fireballs do a lot of damage and you have a bad reflex save
18:15 <CWheezy> yeah
18:30 <Mekkis> fireballs don't do "a lot of damage"
18:31 <sleepyishmist> i'll try to come back tomorrow after reehearsal but i am sleepy atm
18:33 <sleepyishmist> nini y'all <3
18:41 <sleepyishmist> thanks so much for the help
18:47 <Blasticka> good. remember to click the 4 buttons
18:47 <Mekkis> they do 1d6 per level. You have 1d6+3 HP per level.
18:49 <Steven> yeah fireballs are kinda meh late game.
18:49 <CWheezy> well when you have a d6 hit die they sure do
18:52 <sleepyishmist> mekkis your name reminds me of a meki pentant
18:57 <Blasticka> autofill, calculate, check, save
19:03 <Mekkis> what's that?
19:04 <Blasticka> otherwise you might lose your progress
19:09 <sleepyishmist> (:
19:22 <CWheezy> they actually do quite a bit if you specialize in them, see the blockbuster wizard guide
19:34 <sleepyishmist> wait where do i find save
19:49 <CWheezy> also, most casters I have found are higher level than you in pfs
19:52 <Blasticka> it's a little green button near the top kind of in the middle on the right
19:54 <Mekkis>    A smart character (one with high Intelligence) is curious, knowledge-
19:54 <Mekkis> able, and prone to using big words. A character with a high Intelligence
19:54 <Mekkis> but low Wisdom may be smart but absentminded, or knowledgeable but
19:54 <Mekkis> lacking in common sense. A character with a high Intelligence but a low
19:54 <Mekkis> Charisma may be a know-it-all or a reclusive scholar. A smart character
19:54 <Mekkis> lacking in both Wisdom and Charisma may put her foot in her mouth
19:54 <Mekkis> often.
19:57 <CWheezy> and they sure do love their fireballs
20:07 <Mekkis> CWheezy, sure
20:09 <Mekkis> but...
20:12 <Mekkis> as I was saying
20:26 <Mekkis> you still get 1d6+3 (or 1d6+2) HP per level
20:35 <Mekkis> which is considerably more than the fireball does
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20:49 <Mekkis> and if you're worried about fireballs, Resist Energy
21:09 <CWheezy> sorry, I see you are mis understanding
21:16 <CWheezy> I should have said X does a lot of damage
21:22 <CWheezy> where x = a lot of things
21:40 <Blasticka> does x = chicken wings?
21:41 <Mekkis> yes, but as a wizard, you just ensure that Y is in between you and X
21:50 <CWheezy> you think 12 con is fine, sure, whatever
21:56 <Blasticka> it's certainly doing a lot of damage to my waistline
22:28 <CWheezy> what am i going to say? any arguments just make you believe your position more
23:02 <Mekkis> do you seriously believe that a +3 HP mod per level is NOT enough?
23:18 <Mekkis> (other than edge-case builds like melee sorcerers?)
24:54 <Steven> more HP is better than less HP.
24:57 <CWheezy> yes
25:14 <CWheezy> also your is 2
25:24 <CWheezy> 12 con is +1, class is +1
25:52 <Mekkis> I brought up toughness for +1
26:16 <CWheezy> oh ok
26:25 <Mekkis> IF that's the case, then there's something very wrong with the system.
26:42 <Blasticka> with toughness, and a con of 14, my sorcerer is at 19 hp at level 2
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26:49 <CWheezy> remember an average level 1 fighter does 2d6 +9
27:00 <Mekkis> haha
27:03 <Mekkis> "average"
27:11 <CWheezy> ????
27:11 <Steven> see ya in.... average... what average?
27:30 <CWheezy> 18 strength and power attack?
27:31 <Mekkis> Show me ONE scenario that has a level 1 fighter doing that much damage
28:00 <Steven> imma go get some icecream
28:03 <Steven> see ya in a bit
28:09 <Blasticka> Drohgnor can do about 2d6+7. 
28:17 <Blasticka> something like that
28:32 <CWheezy> well, pfs is pretty nice
28:36 <Blasticka> I'm honestly not super sure how power attack works which is frusturating.
28:47 <CWheezy> yes, it is annoying
29:00 <CWheezy> -1 to hit, for +2 damage
29:11 <CWheezy> if you are using a two handed weapon, it is -1 for +3
29:20 <Blasticka> yeah greatsword for Droggy
29:24 <CWheezy> every 4 bab your character has, the bonus and penalties double
29:27 <Mekkis> (hint, in PFS, heroic NPCs are built using the elite array: 15 14 13 12 10 8... and thus at first level CANNOT do that)
29:33 <Blasticka> later on it will be a falchion
29:45 <CWheezy> nodachi is actually slighter better
29:46 <CWheezy> if you care
30:05 <CWheezy> so 2d6+7 then?
30:13 <CWheezy> also there are orcs
30:19 <Blasticka> Drohgnor is fun but not may main character.
30:21 <mim> It's just that those 1-2 rounds take half an hour each.
30:21 <Mekkis> sure
30:24 <CWheezy> so 19 str isn't impossible
30:42 <Ultio> in PFS 20 str is possible
30:51 <Mekkis> Ultio, we're talking NPCs
30:52 <Ultio> take 18 and then the racial +2
30:57 <Steven> at high level you'll be lucky if a persons turn takes less than 10 minutes.
31:04 <Ultio> oh
31:05 <Steven> in PFS 23 str is possible first level....
31:10 <CWheezy> so is 27 health
31:14 <CWheezy> and reasonable damage
31:18 <HTT-Bird> so, would an outsized spider be a legal mount in PFS play? (for a halfling I reckon ;)
31:20 <Mekkis> I thought 24 was...
31:51 <CWheezy> is it on the mount list
31:57 <CWheezy> yes, if you are saying most of the npcs are built terribly with subpar feats I will agree
32:04 <Steven> i should say 23 at character creation.
32:18 <mim> Hilarious side note: Our two clerics took 2~ hours to question their gods earlier, right? This was in one session. People started complaining when I took more than 12 minutes with my 10 round Time Stop decision making as a Control-based wizard, lol.
32:26 <CWheezy> I also notice a lot of stat blocks actually do not have power attack factored in
32:29 <CWheezy> for whatever reason
33:03 <Steven> my high level life oracle is simple, i just keep track of what damage people take
33:13 <Mekkis> So if that's the case, why do you deem it necessary to spend at least a quarter of your ability points into increasing your HP?
33:25 <Steven> most of my time is spent calculating optimal position to channel from.
33:41 <Steven> damn it icecream....
33:48 <Steven> alright, steppin away, see you guys in a bit.
33:54 <CWheezy> I mean
33:57 <CWheezy> first steps
34:02 <CWheezy> ledford does 1d10 +7
34:08 <Blasticka> hmm. so you are setting forth that it might be better to focus on damage and or armor class and avoidance?
34:11 <Mekkis> firstly: 2d6+7 won't kill you. Secondly: an orc has a CR bump before you start adding class levels. Thirdly, a d6HD character would generally stay behind
34:11 <CWheezy> average of 12 damage
34:33 <CWheezy> that is a lot
34:35 <mim> As a control wizard, I need to read up on what we're fighting, what they're weak to, compare it to what I have prepared, decide on what order I cast the spells, what I summon to counter what we're fighting, where I place the summons, who I polymorph into what type of creature to counter what type of enemy, give out orders, buff everyone even further using -
34:49 <Mekkis> sure. it is. But it won't kill any character with 12 con
34:50 <CWheezy> blasticka, it is possible to do both, but hard
34:54 <mim> - diviner abilities and much more, including wand usage, item usage, scouting and so forth.
35:10 <CWheezy> being at negatives is pretty bad imo
35:23 <mim> It's fun, but people get impatient when I go first every single round no matter what.
35:26 <CWheezy> also a lot of fights I am seeing now there is no "in the back" because it is three dimensiona
35:26 <Blasticka> well Drohgnor is at 2 very big negatives
35:31 <Steven> yeah.... dont want to get up close and personal with a d6 character unless you dumpin major points into con
35:47 <CWheezy> also, fun fact, I have a joke wizard with 5 con
35:53 <Steven> damn it.... icecream.
35:54 <Blasticka> he has 5 cha, and 7 int.
35:56 <Steven> okay leaving now.
35:59 <CWheezy> why not just cast like
36:01 <Blasticka> you okay steven?
36:02 <CWheezy> prismatic wall
36:15 <CWheezy> or forcecage
36:15 <CWheezy> nah, 20 int, 16 wis, 16 dex
36:19 <CWheezy> 7 str 7 cha
36:23 <CWheezy> favoured class into skills
36:26 <Blasticka> no I'm talking about Drohgnor
36:27 <mim> I could do that, but that's boring.
36:28 <CWheezy> or maze maybe
36:36 <Blasticka> my fighter. he's a dwarf
36:37 <CWheezy> oh, ha
36:39 <CWheezy> well you know everything is weak to pris wall
36:42 <CWheezy> why research
36:42 <CWheezy> oh tough break, you picked fighter
37:08 <mim> Researching is fun. I'm a wizard.
37:17 <CWheezy> just kidding, fighters can be effective
37:21 <mim> If I wanted to have 3 good spells of every level I'd go sorcerer and be done with it.
37:57 <Mekkis> Blasticka, do you know what they say about min/maxed characters?
38:22 <Blasticka> ummmm, they die?
38:30 <Blasticka> he has a lot of hp. 16 at level 1
38:54 <Blasticka> 18 str, 14 dex, 13 wis, 16 con
38:55 <Mekkis> "The difference between a balanced character and a min/maxed one is the reaction when they die."
39:09 <HTT-Bird> CWheezy, there's no "mount notes" for it in its bestiary listing (btw, I use the hypertext reference for most of my pokings-at instead of having to try to dig through the PDF SRD)
39:27 <Mekkis> the difference between "That's a pity" and "Glad that's over with"
39:45 <Blasticka> heh. but he's so fun to roleplay
39:59 <Blasticka> DROHGNORRRRR SMAAASH!
41:12 <Mekkis> Darkwhite said it best: Playing a 20 means that you'll blitz all the encounters, until you die a horrible death
41:49 <Mekkis> looking at my PFS characters:
42:26 <Mekkis> None of them have more than 14 con.
42:42 <Mekkis> I've only had one death in over eighty sessions
42:53 <Blasticka> dats cause yer sneaky
43:05 <Mekkis> how so?
43:41 <Maestro> Am I missing anything?
43:52 <HTT-Bird> the Archives of Nethys mount/pet list has ordinary-sized spiders on it, but just says "spider" and doesn't bring up the idea of one riding around on the back of a giant spider
44:04 <Mekkis> Granted, the one death was of a paladin with 10 con and favoured class into skills...
44:08 <Mekkis> at level 1
44:15 <HTT-Bird> Maestro, halflings on spiderback?
44:31 <Steven> that is because its not on any of the available mount lists
44:56 <Maestro> Bird: Damn, you guessed the plot of the movie script I was going to write
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45:33 <Mekkis> Granted, the one death was of a paladin with 10 con and favoured class into skills...
45:36 <Mekkis> at level 1
46:05 <HTT-Bird> If I could play paired chars (i.e. two chars that are played together, joined at the hip as it were), I'd be thinking of a Halfling/Naga or a Halfling/Drider pair
46:25 <Maestro> I'd inhale the teamwork feats
46:43 <Maestro> I keep trying to get my fiancé to do a couple of fighters with insane teamwork feats
47:00 <HTT-Bird> yeah, teamwork feats would make sense for such a pairing
47:53 <Maestro> He's all like "No, I'm not done playing my half-elf Knifemaster rogue, he's really awesome"
47:59 <Maestro> And I'm like "He's stupid and I hate him"
48:00 <HTT-Bird> haha.
48:04 <mim> So, pondering over class choices again.
48:26 <Maestro> And he's like "Shut up you're just mad 'cause your stupid Tengu Monk got killed in a one hit critical by a yeti wielding a cooking pot!"
48:30 <Maestro> And then we have sex.
48:37 <Blasticka> I got snickers bars.
48:52 <Mekkis> I have the frozen mars bars
48:52 <Blasticka> my sorcerer ceybur would have drowned
48:53 <Steven> i got Milky Way icecream bar thing
48:55 <Steven> pretty awesome
48:56 <HTT-Bird> I think my problem is that I like to play characters that hover around the boundaries of what's remotely reasonable
49:00 <Brunius> There's a couple of local guys that play brothers
49:01 <Steven> thats a beautiful story...
49:01 <Mekkis> the mars is better
49:03 <Mekkis> :)
49:04 <Blasticka> if not for Kira and Steven saving the day
49:07 <Maestro> XD
49:22 <mim> 20 Magus (Kensai) / 2 Fighter (Yakuza Buzi) / 8 Oracle / 10 Mystic Theurge,   or   20 Magus (Kensai) / 3 Fighter (Yakuza Buzi) / 7 Cleric / 10 Mystic Theurge.
49:36 <HTT-Bird> for instance, if I was going to do a Paladin...expect a jaded cynic
49:44 <Blasticka> that was a crazy adventure. darn mermen knocking over our rowboats
49:46 <Steven> but back to a halfling riding a giant spider
49:54 <Steven> the only way to do it would be a druid.
49:56 <Mekkis> inthe fang of the hydra?
50:01 <mim> So cleric or oracle?
50:20 <Blasticka> yeah. and then the captain stole the treasure and the key, escaped in a rowboat, and took the other oars.
50:22 <Maestro> I think your definition of reasonable is pretty pigeonholed. 
50:23 <Steven> hows your cha?
50:31 <Blasticka> our ranger shot him in the face but he got away.
50:35 <Steven> hows your wis
50:36 <mim> It will be 30 Charisma or 30 Wisdom.
50:39 <Brunius> Steven: I blame magic kids too
50:39 <CWheezy> it is not your problem if your characters are strong
50:51 <Steven> whatcha talkin bout brunius?
50:53 <CWheezy> the devs have every opportunity to change things
51:11 <mim> So it mainly comes down to the character flavor in spell casting. What sounds better with what I presented, Cleric or Oracle? :P
51:44 <Steven> neither, the character itself is so grossly overleveled i've no clue what it does...
51:58 <mim> It's technically 20.
52:15 <Steven> and im technically a meat sack...
52:58 <Steven> but really... a snap shot of the character doesnt help us determine what levels you should take.
53:12 <Steven> look at the abilities and judge it from your play preference.
53:13 <mim> Hold on
53:37 <Steven> if you like domains pick cleric, if you like a mystery play Oracle.
55:03 <mim> Yeah. It just comes down to whether I want Charisma or Wisdom.
55:22 <mim> Hnngh, oh well. Sorry for interrupting your banter. <3 I'll leave you guys be now.
55:41 <Steven> you dont have to leave
56:24 <Steven> its just we cant help you with your character from the small set of information you gave us, and really we have no idea of your playstyle so we cant really reccomend you take X Feats and pick up specific classes
57:04 <Steven> like if mekkis came in and was like yo steve, whatcha think about XXXX i could give an opinion because ive played with him enough to know what type of things he might find interesting
57:47 <HTT-Bird> why is my brain stuck on playing a paladin?
57:53 <mim> Yeah, I understand. <3 No worries.
57:54 <HTT-Bird> *blinks*
58:18 <Steven> because you're a LG tool!
58:34 <HTT-Bird> LG?
58:41 <Brunius> Lawful Good
58:47 <HTT-Bird> haha XP
58:59 <Brunius> My two highest level characters are both Lawful Good divine casters of Abadar :S
59:21 <HTT-Bird> I could bring my 'axis-folded neutral' alignment over
00:27 <Ultio> Hello everybody! 
00:35 <Ultio> <-New guy trying to get into some PFS
01:01 <Steven> mekkis can help ya, im busy being super lazy.
01:08 <Mekkis> hey hey
01:27 <Ultio> haha yeah I just saw the site and thought I would check it out
02:57 <Steven> lets see, i have a NG, a N, and a CN for my level 12+ characters
03:04 <Steven> we usually pretty friendly
03:18 <HTT-Bird> but that is a serious mind-screw.  'the law plays dice' is not something that is readily acceptable, I reckon
04:00 <Ultio> That's good to know! How often/ what times are games ran usually?
04:31 <HTT-Bird> although an AFN char in a position with legal authority would be good...
04:58 <HTT-Bird> in my hands, I could also see it causing a lot of vitriol to fly my way
05:26 <Steven> i have no clue what bird is talkin abut
05:49 <Wrothmonk> Good, I'm not the only one.
05:54 <HTT-Bird> the idea that there is no such thing as "order vs chaos" any longer
06:30 <HTT-Bird> entropy itself develops the appearance of order, and orderly intents can lead to chaotic results
06:54 <Blasticka> well it depends on the gms and the players really
06:55 <HTT-Bird> but, I think that is far too postmodern a philosophy for a PF char to hold ;P
07:08 <Blasticka> when Avatar is here he often schedules weekly games on Friday and saturday
07:34 <Blasticka> sometimes you can snag a pickup game if you stay logged into mibbit chat and ask often enough
08:30 <Ultio> Ahh, yeah I work Friday nights and every other saturday.. I was hoping playing online would open up more options
08:50 <Blasticka> we actually have a few new players who just joined up that are interested in some games
09:00 <Blasticka> and I have been asked to GM the first steps for them
09:10 <Ultio> that would be awesome
09:11 <Blasticka> so that's a little more flexible since my schedule is fairly open
09:35 <Blasticka> my reccomendation to you is to roll up a new character, get registered, and cross your fingers until we get enough players lined up on the same day lol
09:38 <Steven> i think probably nobody will care.
09:40 <Ultio> i am filling out my character sheet now. 
09:54 <Blasticka> it's a little hit or miss here but everyone is friendly and mostly fun.
09:54 <Ultio> i am registered on the site but it wont let me change my password...
10:02 <HTT-Bird> because everyone's showed up to bash the Big Bad anyway :P
10:12 <Blasticka> *whispers* but if they start arguing about an obscure rule, stay out of it. :-P
10:26 <Ultio> and im not sure how to register on here. havnt used IRC very much
10:39 <Ultio> haha i like to argue about obscure rules!
10:53 <Blasticka> well. on irc is not what I meant
11:04 <Ultio> yeah i knw
11:05 <Blasticka> I meant on the www.pfrpg.com site
11:28 <Ultio> yeah i did register on there, but it wont let me change my password
11:33 <Steven> alright.... SLEEP peace out
11:48 <Blasticka> and then again on Paizo once your character is mostly complete so you can get a number for your character sheets and chronicle sheets
12:12 <Ultio> I already have all of that
12:34 <Ultio> dont have chronicle sheets. what are those
12:44 <Blasticka> those are given out after adventures
13:01 <Ultio> but i have a character and a PFS number, but havnt played with him yet..
13:05 <Ultio> ohh ok
13:08 <Blasticka> they tell you how much gold you earned, experience, prestige/fame for special missions, and what items you are now allowed to buy with that gold if you so choose.
13:31 <Ultio> yeah i got one on monday night, but i had to play a premade...
14:04 <Blasticka> if you want to get some help with refining your character, you can link the sheet in chat and we'll take a look
14:16 <Blasticka> you are allowed to change anything and everything up until you level to 2
14:23 <Blasticka> so that's 3 games
14:30 <Blasticka> even class and race
14:55 <Ultio> yeah. I made a Human Druid with Racial heritage - Aasimar. I want to be strong Shapeshifter/Strong pet
15:26 <Ultio> Aasimar, so i can give my pet celestial template 
15:32 <Blasticka> I don't know much about druids but I'm sure mekkis can help you out if he's still here
15:41 <Mekkis> ....
15:48 <Blasticka> I'm like, a fledgling player being turned into a noob gm
15:49 <Mekkis> yeah
15:52 <Mekkis> that'll work
16:36 <Ultio> i will link my character once i am done filling it out
16:52 <Ultio> i did some stuff that doesnt make sense at level one but I have a plan
17:59 <Blasticka> that's cool. as long as you have fun that's the main point.
18:06 <Blasticka> but mekkis has given me some real solid advice
18:19 <Ultio> for sure
18:56 <Ultio> yeah i have only been playing pathfinder for just short a year and that was all 1 campaign. my first PFS game was monday
19:41 <Ultio> and I was playing way of the wicked (evil campaign) so im not very sure on how to play a non evil character...
21:28 <Mekkis> heh
21:32 <Ultio> here is what I have so far. I am not done filling it out so there are some things still missing    http://www.pfrpg.com.au/charsheet.php5?id=791
21:36 <Mekkis> I'm running Way of the Wicked at the moment
22:12 <Ultio> I had a lvl 9 Grave Knight Antipaladin  (CR+2)
22:15 <Ultio> have*
25:37 <Mekkis> how balanced is it?
25:59 <Ultio> oh he is broken
26:07 <Mekkis> hmm
26:17 <Ultio>  I am pretty much untouchable
27:49 <Ultio> http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=495018
32:08 <Steven> stupid phone.
33:32 <Blasticka> weren't you going to sleep steven?
33:57 <HTT-Bird> also: thoughts on the idea of making it so 'crit fail with a weapon no longer auto-breaks it?'
34:15 <Steven> i was, then the phone rang.
34:16 <HTT-Bird> (either an extra chance roll, or some sort of 'durability' value)
34:21 <Steven> causing me to get up, and stub my toe
34:42 <Steven> ill be back to being tired in about 10-15
36:24 <Ultio> afk for a bit
36:45 <Blasticka> quick! ask him a question.
37:08 <Blasticka> ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm how many pieces of cheese can an average chiuwahwa thingy eat before it explodes?
37:16 <Mekkis> 3
37:40 <Blasticka> mekkis, I was asking steven!
37:42 <Steven> i'm agreeing with mekkis, 3
37:52 <Blasticka> these must be big slices...
37:53 <Steven> it seems a good number
38:05 <Steven> there are no small slices of cheese in my house.
38:08 <Steven> go big or go home.
38:35 <Steven> first yawn....
39:06 <Blasticka> don't think about mt. dew. it will keep you up.
39:21 <Blasticka> residual caffeine you know.
39:28 <Steven> ugh.... this fight is bullshit....
39:32 <Steven> we got super lucky...
39:47 <Blasticka> the new scenario?
40:31 <Steven> so.... lets see what should i run tomorrow.....
40:56 <Blasticka> a chicken wing adventure!
41:02 <Blasticka> where I get to eat them all.
41:12 <Steven> how about the 'Shank Shack'
41:19 <Steven> so we can introduce newer people to PFS
41:47 <Steven> SECOND YAWN!
41:55 <Steven> if we get three in a minute i go to sleep.
41:57 <Steven> so anyways
42:04 <Steven> last year at Pax Prime in seattle
42:36 <Steven> the people 'unfortunate'  enough to volunteer
42:53 <Mekkis> Steven, did you get a wayang?
43:04 <Mekkis> I'm still chasing one down
43:22 <Blasticka> so what, it's a big shack with rogues that sneak attack you to death or something?
43:31 <Mekkis> nah
43:36 <Steven> were given mini scenarios and what not to run, which really included rediculously stupid fights
43:39 <Mekkis> just a Stinking cloud
43:52 <Steven> tables were 6 players
44:15 <Steven> several of them were a fight with 3 goblins, where you happen upon them while they are taking a nap
44:35 <Steven> or in the middle of a giant open space
45:04 <Blasticka> so wouldn't you just slit the throats of the goblins while they slept?
45:05 <Steven> or you fight two Goblins and a goblin dog in a field
45:13 <Steven> just.... horrible scenarios
45:42 <Steven> and they were originally told to run them as written, then mike brock came along and was like, hey Run them however the hell you want so long as people were having fun
45:57 <Steven> so the most infamous one
46:06 <Steven> 'The Shank Shack'
46:40 <Steven> takes place in tall grass where you happen upon a shack in the middle of a marsh
46:47 <Mekkis> BURN IT DOWN!
46:51 <Steven> when you arrive you see a naked man tied to a tree like he is hugging it
46:59 <Mekkis> burn him too
47:04 <Steven> with a small sign that says "The Huggin Tree"
47:12 <Mekkis> burn it too
47:42 <Blasticka> I ate mah snickers.
47:43 <Steven> and thats when you see a tall redneck looking fellow dressed in overalls step out of the house
47:55 <Blasticka> dun dun ddduuuuunnnn!
47:57 <Steven> pick up a cleaver and start hackin at the body
48:13 <Blasticka> that could be... bad.
48:44 <Mekkis> so you pull out a longsword and say "Can I help you there?"
49:04 <Steven> after a round of this he turns to the party and says "You got a purty mouf..." steps backwards into the Tall grass and stealths with a +20 or some shit
49:06 <CWheezy> 3 goblins napping???
49:19 <Steven> roll initative
49:20 <CWheezy> the deadliest encounter
49:58 <Steven> the grass gives concealment at 5ft and total concealment at 10ft
50:04 <Steven> the guy is a large sized creature with 10ft reach
50:32 <Steven> so every round or two... you just picked someone
50:36 <CWheezy> ok I cast wall of force
51:03 <Blasticka> and you were not allowed to burn the grass down?
51:19 <Blasticka> I would set fire to that crap
51:33 <Blasticka> *agrees with mekkis*
51:35 <Steven> a 31 to hit your AC.... Okay... you all are searching around you when all of a sudden you notice the cleric that was standing next to you is missing and in the dirt is their holy symbol.
52:36 <Steven> it was like 2d6+9 vs first level characters
52:57 <CWheezy> oh so a level 1 fighter with power attack
53:01 <CWheezy> reach is cool too though
53:43 <Steven> oh sorry.
53:59 <Steven> my bad, wrong stats
54:04 <Steven> that was the other scenario
54:11 <Mekkis> so you have total concealment
54:37 <Steven> 1d8+4+2d6 3 attacks.
54:40 <Steven> +grab
55:13 <CWheezy> how can he see things outside of his reach
55:15 <Steven> so, 3d8+13+6d6, grabs you 5ft steps back.  and he isnt effected by the concealment
55:18 <CWheezy> in his reach range
55:22 <Steven> sorry +12
55:39 <CWheezy> oh he just has
55:45 <Steven> so first day they do about 17 tables
55:47 <CWheezy> not affected by concealment 
55:49 <Steven> each
56:01 <Steven> and they are like wow that was pretty good first day
56:36 <Mekkis> and the players are having fun?
56:48 <Steven> second day, they had 100s of people lined up to come and play the games when they opened the doors.
56:51 <CWheezy> how was he not affected by the concealment
57:14 <Steven> because they all went out and told their friends about the "Shank Shack"
57:22 <CWheezy> lol
57:38 <Steven> they didnt get to leave their tables for like 26 hours.
58:12 <Steven> because every time they finished a table, a new one sat down.
59:31 <Steven> also, it decided to start raining.
00:12 <Steven> and some thunder
01:31 <Blasticka> dun dun dun
01:41 <Steven> cant sleep now!
01:46 <Steven> it might lightning!
03:27 <Steven> meh... that was the third yawn in a minute...
03:34 <Blasticka> get your thunder buddy
03:35 <Steven> suppose i should do some sleeping today right?
03:43 <Blasticka> it would be healthy for ya
03:51 <Steven> an hour or two mebe
04:16 <Steven> oh at paizocon, i got a rune giant
04:20 <Steven> its fuckin awesome lookin!
05:02 <Blasticka> mekkis, i don't think I've asked you really. not about Drohgnor.
05:04 <Steven> http://paizo.com/image/content/Blog/20120323-RuneGiant.jpg
05:14 <Blasticka> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/charsheet.php5?id=763
05:38 <Blasticka> that is a big sword
05:51 <Steven> it looks pretty amazing.
05:58 <Blasticka> what changes would you make to his ability scores if any?
05:58 <Steven> gargantuan
06:31 <CWheezy> a friend of mine
06:32 <Steven> i would correctly apply Power attack
06:40 <CWheezy> sorry, a friend's wife
06:47 <Mekkis> !find Drohgnor
06:48 <CWheezy> thought that his pants were his skin colour
06:49 <dicebot> Mekkis, http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=763
07:06 <Mekkis> Blasticka, GMs care about that link
07:10 <Mekkis> not the sheet
07:13 <CWheezy> and she looked under his kilt and exclaimed "He is not wearing any underwear!"
07:26 <Steven> power attack with a 2 handed weapon would be -1 hit for +3 damage
07:49 * Steven doesnt care about one of the ther.
09:04 <Mekkis> is killer and reactionary the same category?
09:06 <Steven> man you are screwed you ever fail a save vs cha poison
09:10 <Steven> they are.
09:23 <Mekkis> that's an issue
09:52 <Blasticka> same category meaning combat traits? yes they are
10:14 <Steven> can only have one trait from any one category
10:16 <Blasticka> I wasn't aware you couldn't choose 2 from the same list. I'll check into the other ones
12:14 <Steven> you should pick up a ranged weapon
13:20 <Steven> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/gabble.php5?a=10
14:05 <Steven> some good things you might want to pick up.
14:17 <Steven> dont have to get all of them
14:23 <Steven> but it wouldnt hurt to pick up a few of them.
14:49 <Blasticka> I think I'll go with caretaker
14:54 <Blasticka> for the heal skill
15:03 <Mekkis> don't get all of them
15:11 <Blasticka> and it would fit with my character
15:17 <Mekkis> part of it's incorrect
15:49 <Blasticka> I only have 416 gold
15:50 <Steven> yeah like the cost of lesser resto pot
15:58 <Blasticka> i won't be getting all of anything
17:01 <Steven> least get some rope mang
17:52 <Steven> a ranged weapon and a way to deal with swarms
19:37 <Blasticka> I could get an acid flask or something. and those air crystals look good I bought some for ceybur too.
25:47 <Mekkis> wand of CLW
26:43 <Blasticka> I think he spent his prestige on one of those
26:50 <Blasticka> as per the advice of our gm
27:17 <Blasticka> getting a glaive, and I have no idea what ranged weapon to pick
27:35 <Blasticka> wish I could afford composite longbow
29:24 <Blasticka> but you think the ability scores are okay?
29:35 <Mekkis> I don't
29:50 <Mekkis> I think they're disgusting
30:01 <Blasticka> lol
30:17 <Blasticka> what would you have done differently?
31:06 <Mekkis> the int would be double digits
31:16 <Mekkis> the cha would be at least 8
31:29 <Blasticka> so take the con down some then?
31:39 <Mekkis> take the str down one
32:18 <Mekkis> Quoting my the-VC two and a half years ago:
32:20 <Mekkis> This sort of thing encourages players to create more rounded characters, so I kind of approve (even though it is nasty). There are too many Pathfinder Society characters out there with no business being members of the Pathfinder Society. There are only so many grunt fighter bodyguards needed at the PF Society. Explorers are needed. Characters who can investigate, spy and make friends are needed.
33:03 <Mekkis> s/the/then/
33:40 <Blasticka> in my opinion ceybur is a much better character, and I have more fun playing him. but for roleplay, Drohgnor is a lot of fun.
33:56 <Blasticka> I'm just trying to fix him up a bit so he survives longer
34:24 <Blasticka> so if the cha is going to be 8 I need to leave it at 10
34:45 <Blasticka> if I don't get my dump stat of int my wisdom or con would have to go down too.
34:51 <Mekkis> keep in mind that you'll be stuck playing an antisocial retarded idiot for 300 hours, if you're sticking with him
35:07 <Blasticka> would you say hitpoints more important, or will save?
35:07 <Ultio> haha
35:13 <Mekkis> keep in mind that you'll be forcing others do need to play with an antisocial retarded idiot for 300 hours too.
35:38 <Blasticka> aww but he's funny.
35:44 <Blasticka> let me try to do some math I hate this part
35:47 <Mekkis> he's funny to you, the first time
36:05 <Mekkis> you aren't the first person to make an antisocial retarded idiot.
37:50 <Mekkis> and after playing with antisocial retarded idiots for 300 hours, it gets annoying, until you realise that failing to render aid is not PVP
38:16 <Mekkis> and then you get fraggede
39:16 <Blasticka> heh. okay check that one
39:21 <Blasticka> and see if it is better
39:37 <Blasticka> I'm pretty sure I did the math right
40:13 <Blasticka> !find Drohgnor
40:15 <dicebot> Blasticka, http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=763
41:21 <Mekkis> better
41:32 <Mekkis> you should fix the damages
41:56 <Blasticka> oh right I lost strength
42:04 <Steven> i think you should go to 16con.  you're a front liner who will be doing a goodly amount of damage
42:08 <Steven> you're going to get targeted
43:14 <Steven> alright, sleepin... the thunder and lightning stopped
44:33 <Mekkis> core rulebook
44:38 <Mekkis> read chapter 6
44:42 <Mekkis> and chapter 8
45:05 <Mekkis> and I'm going to sleep
45:19 <Blasticka> next pay we are going to get the pdf's for core rulebook and bestiary. I'll try to find them online
45:30 <Blasticka> take it easy mekkis thanks for the help
46:20 <Blasticka> I just don't know how to find 3 more points for con to go up 2 without dumping int or cha. 
53:25 <Mekkis> I argue that 14 con is sufficient at this level
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51:39 <Steven> suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup peeps
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