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31:11 <Steven> suuuuuuuuuuuuuup... rickrolling this scenario
32:09 <CWheezy> hmmmm?
33:30 <Steven> 3 players with perception modifiers of +15
33:36 <Steven> means no traps have hit us.
33:40 <Steven> no surprise rounds
34:05 <Steven> and 3 of us have ACs of 25+
34:41 <CWheezy> you don't really need a great perception for traps
34:49 <CWheezy> just if you want to take time for it
34:54 <CWheezy> it does help though, ha
39:58 <Adrian> yo yo yo guys
42:05 <Maestro> Heya
42:15 <Goya> 0/
19:43 <Blasticka> hey everyone. good moning/afternoon 
19:48 <Blasticka> *morning
29:16 <CWheezy> hello
29:23 <Maestro> O/
29:32 <Brunius> Wroth: How do I muneez
29:39 <Wrothmonk> muneez?
29:43 <Brunius> ISK
29:46 <Brunius> How do I ISK
29:53 <Wrothmonk> sell shit.
29:59 <Wrothmonk> or do missions
30:18 <Wrothmonk> the latter is less efficient but more fun.
30:23 <Wrothmonk> in some cases.
30:29 <Brunius> L2s get very little money...
30:36 <Maestro> EVE?
30:39 <Wrothmonk> yes.
30:47 <Maestro> Best of luck.
30:50 <Maestro> Steep learning curve.
30:56 <Maestro> Very unforgiving of death
30:59 <Wrothmonk> oh hell yeah.
31:02 <Brunius> I've already died several times
31:07 <Brunius> Not too worried about that
31:08 <Wrothmonk> but so far I have kept up.
31:22 <Maestro> But insanely fun when you have been prescribed Vicoden
31:28 <Wrothmonk> only died around 3 times. All stupid mistakes with autopilot.
31:31 <Maestro> Flying through space is pretty fun
31:58 <Wrothmonk> and thats with 2 months of play time.
32:08 <Brunius> Where you been going?
33:16 <Wrothmonk> Nowhere special. Just a few times where I forgot to set it to fly the safe path when turning on autopilot.
33:32 <Wrothmonk> Been staying in hisec though.
33:37 <Brunius> Heh
33:51 <Brunius> I've been playing about a month, jumped into lowsec operations with a couple of corps
34:12 <Brunius> First corp died a quiet death, so I switched to an AU corp and we've been flying frigate fleets through Amarr FW
34:24 <Wrothmonk> My corp is planning on doing that within the next few months.
34:52 <Wrothmonk> its fairly new which I consider a plus. Easier to gain good rep and ranking by my reckoning.
35:33 <Maestro> I can't afford to get back into EVE right now. Gonna be an unemployed student
35:42 <Maestro> Besides, Final Fantasy 14 is coming out soon
42:03 <Maestro> What's everyone up to?
42:17 <Wrothmonk> Building rockets in KSP.
42:17 <Brunius> Trying to get my SC3000 disk working
45:13 <Brunius> And wondering what I can get for 14k and 3k gp (seperately)
45:15 <CWheezy> hoping for a pick up game ha
45:29 <CWheezy> you can get a lot of things
45:31 <CWheezy> what do you need
45:48 <CWheezy> and or what are you
45:50 <Brunius> Hmm, what's my sword at
45:55 <Brunius> !item Merciful
45:55 <diebot> Brunius, EROEME [strong divination] CL:12 none 180350gp, 4lb
45:56 <diebot> Eroeme is a lawful-aligned intelligent +2 mithral monstrous humanoid bane greatsword that can resize to fit the hands of its wielder. In the days when Azlant battled the serpentfolk empire, five lesser replicas of Savith's legendary magical sword were crafted for her closest allies. One of these weapons was Eroeme, made for the cyclops general
45:56 <diebot> Aveshai with the specific purpose of slaying the serpentfolk and their agents wherever they might be found on or beneath Golarion. The sword's knowledge and experience was invaluable to General Aveshai as he faced the serpentfolk in Ilmurea, and its disappearance (along with the general) somewhere beneath the Mwangi jungles was a blow to Azlanti
45:56 <diebot> morale. Source: AP 42
46:00 <Brunius> Well that didn't work
46:58 <Brunius> Huh, my sword is only at +2
47:42 <CWheezy> that's a pretty great sword
51:20 <Brunius> I could upgrade it to +4...
51:50 <Wrothmonk> I'm debating if I should attempt to make a level 10 character for mekkis' game.
51:51 <CWheezy> a +4 sword is nice
52:01 <CWheezy> can just anyone apply or what
52:07 <Wrothmonk> I believe so.
52:11 <CWheezy> hmmm
52:15 <CWheezy> maybe I will whip up a wizard
52:22 <CWheezy> hwhip up
56:32 <Brunius> Thank you, Windows
56:37 <Wrothmonk> ?
56:42 <Brunius> I totally needed this upgrade to my MOUSE DRIVERS
57:04 <Brunius> Hmm, now I just have to pick a 3000gp item
58:23 <Brunius> Now the mouse driver update is prompting me to cclick a button
58:27 <Brunius> having just disabled my mouse
00:01 <Brunius> !item snapleaf
00:01 <diebot> Brunius, SNAPLEAF [faint transmutation] CL:5 none 750gp, 0lb
00:01 <diebot> This crystalline carving looks like a hand-sized tree leaf. It is usually worn around the neck on a strap so it is within easy reach, but can be affixed to a belt or clothing just like a badge. Activating a snapleaf is an immediate action and gives the bearer the benefits of feather fall and invisibility. The duration of the two effects work
00:01 <diebot> independently; ending one early does not affect the other. The item cannot be activated to provide just one of these two effects; they are always activated simultaneously. Source: Ultimate Equipment
02:08 <Brunius> ...now it can't find the mouse it disabled
11:04 <Brunius> And as is typical of windows problems, a restart fixes everything
31:36 <Steven> yo
31:52 <Wrothmonk> hello.
31:56 <Brunius> Steven: Upgrading a sword from +2 to +4 is 12k, right?
32:25 <Steven> go check the formula
34:36 <Brunius> What formula
34:57 <Steven> the formula for upgrading weapons
35:08 <Brunius> There's a formula for upgrading weapons?
35:18 <CWheezy> it isn;t 12k
35:26 <CWheezy> it is 14 k to go to +3
36:28 <Brunius> Oh that's right, weapons are twice the square
36:42 <Brunius> It's armour that's the straight square
36:53 <CWheezy> yes
38:35 <Steven> its 24k to go from +2 to +4
45:03 <CWheezy> sweet, done my wizard
45:08 <CWheezy> I guess I wll bother mekkis
46:10 <Steven> have fun with that?
46:31 <Maestro> ...?
46:35 <Maestro> What the…?
46:46 <Maestro> What in tarnation are you talking about?
47:26 <CWheezy> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewcamp.php5?v=40
47:49 <Maestro> ...?
48:40 <CWheezy> some thing he is doing
48:55 <CWheezy> apparently he wants op characters in arena battles
50:43 <Maestro> o.O?
50:47 <Maestro> That's weird
51:08 <Maestro> I just wanna be a little bit badass
58:28 <Steven> so... that thing is all about creating characters that are OP?
00:17 <Wrothmonk> I guess.
01:36 <CWheezy> who knows
04:35 <Steven> so... characters on par with the power level of my normal characters?
05:14 <Maestro> ?
28:07 <Wrothmonk> Do fighters have to meet the prerequisites for the bonus feats they recieve?
29:16 <Steven> yes
29:47 <Mekkis> Steven, you should run something so I can get my cheesed-up character OPed through abuse of rules
30:12 <CWheezy> mekkis, can I join your thing
30:17 <CWheezy> campaign
31:17 <Mekkis> sure
32:27 <Steven> im not running anything
33:09 <Mekkis> you told me that I needed to cheese out a character. Part of this involves playing something like Masks of the Living God
33:51 <Steven> i spent all day friday, saturday, and sunday GMing
34:10 <Steven> im taking a break for a day or two
34:23 <Mekkis> doesn't have to be tonight
36:07 <Mekkis> Data Used 97% (1996 MB)
36:29 <Steven> when i feel like GMing ill run something
36:38 <Steven> prolly be next week sometime
37:09 * Mekkis just realised that his limit is 2048MB, not 2000MB
38:43 <Steven> hmmmm.... thinking of making a crazy janky character
39:40 <Brunius> Are you sure, Mekkis?
40:02 <Mekkis> Plan Data Limit = 2048MB
40:02 <Mekkis> Data Used 97% (1996 MB)
40:35 <Blasticka> my dwarven monk is almost done
42:51 <Blasticka> has anyone seen our new players Mist, and adrian today?
44:02 <Mekkis> Adrian is online
46:03 <Blasticka> alright cool. well, if we get enough interest in first steps I'll spend some more time getting prepped this evening.
46:45 <Maestro> First steps? When?
47:56 <Maestro> Room for one more?
53:57 <Steven> ill play some first steps, but i dont want to play anything
54:00 <Steven> er....
54:01 <Steven> GM
54:50 <Brunius> All GM'd out from Paizocon?
55:11 <Brunius> Oh, this bro was hanging out near my computer on sunday
55:11 <Brunius> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8duqyp3rzxrnwyq/2013-07-07%2011.35.00.jpg
55:23 <Brunius> I posted it in another IRC channel and all the Americans freaked the hell out
55:28 <Wrothmonk> AGH!
55:38 <Wrothmonk> that must have been horrible.
55:44 <Brunius> Meh
55:58 <Brunius> My whole life these bros have chillaxed around my house
56:11 <Brunius> There was a baby one on the dishwasher the same day
56:15 <Wrothmonk> ...
56:27 <Brunius> They both got moved outside
56:37 <Wrothmonk> http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/27722791.jpg
56:54 <Wrothmonk> thats how I feel about you guys sometimes :P
57:55 <Wrothmonk> Anyway, I wouldn't mind playing first steps with my gunslinger and future myrmidarch.
58:10 <CWheezy> what is that?
58:40 <Wrothmonk> ?
58:54 <CWheezy> the spider
59:05 <Brunius> A huntsman?
59:16 <Wrothmonk> bloody massive. thats what it is.
59:29 <Brunius> That was only the size of my hand...
59:53 <Wrothmonk> Do I need to link that meme again?
00:02 <Wrothmonk> "only"
00:35 <Brunius> It's not like he was chilling in the shower
00:37 <Brunius> Or near my bed
00:43 <Brunius> Both of which have happened before
00:50 <Wrothmonk> Damnit man, I need to sleep!
01:17 <CWheezy> its just a spider
01:20 <Brunius> Those spiders live in the US too, man
01:29 <CWheezy> it just wants to eat some bugs or a small bird or something
01:36 <Brunius> It's not like it's an Australia-only phenomenon
01:58 <Brunius> That particular species or genus or whatever apparently eats household pests such as cockroaches
02:38 <Maestro> So wait… is somebody putting together first steps?
02:52 <Wrothmonk> later on yes
03:23 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, run something I haven't played for me
03:27 <Mekkis> please
06:46 <Maestro> When is later on?
06:51 <Maestro> It's 1 AM over here
09:13 <Wrothmonk> any particular level range?
10:09 <Wrothmonk> and you really need to update the scenarios you have run.
13:31 <Maestro> First Steps is the scenario you're actually allowed to do over and over again, right?
13:36 <Wrothmonk> yes
13:36 <Maestro> Just as long as it's always with a new characger
13:41 <Wrothmonk> ^
13:46 <Maestro> ^_^" Just checking
31:53 <Steven> soooo... what up
34:38 <Maestro> The inevitability of it all
34:55 <Maestro> Our own mortality crushing down upon us
35:08 <Wrothmonk> thats not up, thats depressing and down.
35:17 <Maestro> Oh. 
35:18 <Maestro> Right.
35:32 <Maestro> Rockstar energy drinks taste like sour Double Bubble
39:31 <Steven> there applied some GM credit, new character, level 3
39:43 <Steven> character number 19
40:47 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, my "games played" is accurate.
41:16 <Wrothmonk> so you don't care if you have already gmed it.
41:39 <Mekkis> there are two games I've GMed without playing: Veteran's Vault and Darkest Vengeance
41:54 <Avatar> you should play the latter mekkis I hear it's good
41:56 <Mekkis> and First Steps I and II, but they don't really count...
42:17 <Mekkis> would you run it for me, Avatar?
42:24 <Avatar> no
42:26 <Avatar> you would metagame
42:44 <Mekkis> then why do you say I should play it?
42:56 <Avatar> paradox !
43:02 * Steven mind blown
43:17 <Maestro> o.O?
43:35 <Wrothmonk> No, its the shrodinger's cat of wanting you to play something.
43:54 <Mekkis> I killed two PCs last time I ran Veteran's Vault
45:12 <Steven> I'll play veterans Vault.
46:38 <Avatar> I've only run a scenario cold once
46:52 <Avatar> wait, not run cold
46:54 <Avatar> without playing it first
47:52 <Mekkis> fort save or die. Fun fun fun
48:22 <Wrothmonk> How about the night march of kalkamedes?
48:29 <Mekkis> playing that tomorrow
49:49 <Mekkis> how about Devil We Know III!
53:39 <Wrothmonk> hrm... Can I apply that without having done pt 2?
54:19 <Steven> yup
55:43 <Wrothmonk> Alright. Could you please send the scenario steven, as I have no money.
55:54 <Steven> say what?
57:44 <Blasticka> not even 3.99?
57:52 <Blasticka> that's like a cheeseburger
58:25 <Brunius|M> It is here
58:41 <Wrothmonk> I'm still leaching off my parents, what do you expect?
59:01 <Blasticka> chicken wings. I expect chicken wings and a mt. dew.
59:05 <Wrothmonk> but nvm. I'll figure it out.
59:10 <Mekkis> Brunius, how long until you graduate?
59:32 <Brunius> From High School? About 16 months
04:34 <Steven> buying gear for my new char
12:32 <Maestro> I'm crashing. G'night
13:14 <Steven> oh man, i ran into a dude at paizocon
13:34 <Steven> who tried to convince me that illusion spells do Non Lethal damage
14:43 <Steven> because they dont say they dont...
16:11 <Avatar> it's true
16:18 <Avatar> they don't say they don't
16:43 <Steven> yup...
17:39 <Steven> he also tried to convince me that he could silent image a Medusa into existance and have people make fort saves or be turned to stone... where they would just stop moving but not actually be paralyzed
18:03 <Wrothmonk> How much damage did he claim the spells to do?
18:10 <Steven> and im like..... uh... no.
18:26 <Steven> whatever damage the regular condition would make, only non lethaly
18:44 <Steven> so if you get hit by an illusionary dagger... 1d4+str in non lethal
18:57 <Steven> cause... you know... the spell doesnt say it doesnt do that.
19:37 <Steven> the whole conversation he kept referencing d&d2
19:57 <Steven> and im like, this is PFS... anything from another version is nonaplicable 
20:22 <Steven> Also made a teenager cry at my table when i mission failed him.
20:37 <Steven> fell onto the floor put his head against the table and cried
22:11 <Brunius> Huh.
22:47 <Brunius> Missions are srs bznz
22:50 <Brunius> (Apparently)
23:01 <Steven> fo sho
26:43 <Avatar> you should have shown him why that wouldn't work
26:51 <Avatar> draw a picture of a medusa and show it to him
27:02 <Avatar> see if he turns to stone and stops moving
27:14 <Wrothmonk> if he does, put it on the internet.
27:15 <Avatar> make sure it is badly drawn
27:30 <Wrothmonk> immediately.
27:53 <Blasticka> putting things on the internet makes them true. because 90percent of people will believe it.
28:42 <Blasticka> and if 90 percent of this room believed that, I have some magic beans to sell that look like m&m's
28:49 <Blasticka> :-D
29:42 <Steven> need to find one more feat
30:04 <Steven> power attack
30:56 <Wrothmonk> Are they the giant stalk kind or the kind that turns you into a crazed demon?
31:01 <Wrothmonk> :P
32:29 <Wrothmonk> Well, I need to get to bed, goodnight everyone.
34:32 <Steven> so.... this character is now finished
35:07 <Steven> !throw 1d20+4; 2#1d20+5
35:07 <diebot> Steven, 1d20+4: [1d20=3] 7; 2#1d20+5: [1d20=17] 22, [1d20=16] 21
35:22 <Steven> !throw 2d6+4
35:22 <diebot> Steven, 2d6+4: [2d6=1,6] 11
35:31 <Steven> yup... good enough
35:39 <Steven> thats unbuffed too
40:06 <Blasticka> nice
46:08 <Adrian> hey all
51:25 <Adrian> Thinking about how far ahead to schedule a game. Wanna do it before I have to fly to PAX Aus for work.
58:17 <Blasticka> well, pick a day that works, tell avatar in a pm, and he'll put it on the site
58:23 <Blasticka> then we try to get enough people signed up
58:42 <Blasticka> usually it's at least 7 days in advance
01:06 <Adrian> It would have to be next Tuesday at the latest, I'm flying out on Wednesday.
03:38 <Blasticka> lets see, so we want to get it on the site today.
03:44 <Blasticka> do you know how to private message?
04:05 <Adrian> Yeah I'm already talking. :)
04:12 <Blasticka> cool. enjoy!
04:58 <Adrian> I take it there's interest for First Steps?
36:50 <Blasticka> Mist want's to play, but doesn't have a character finished and I've not seen her today
37:09 <Blasticka> I would play with Drohgnor if we needed players, but I've also been talking about GM'ing so whatever is needed
37:24 <Blasticka> I've played part one and 3 before but not part 2
37:37 <Blasticka> so if I played part one again I'd have to mostly be a mute dwarf lol
37:43 <Blasticka> to not ruin it for everyone
38:14 <Brunius> Dwarves are meant to be gruff and antisocial anyway aren't they?
39:09 <Blasticka> yes. and poor droggy has such a horrid charisma and intelligence
39:22 <Blasticka> not too smart. not too pretty. very good with a shiny sword
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12:24 <Mekkis> yes: there's the local VC
12:27 <Mekkis> and there's Brock
12:37 <Mekkis> Or, you can just complain on the forums
18:04 * Steven waves lazily just getting up after some awesome sleep
22:50 <kapow> mafia style over rope
22:54 <Mekkis> Mytiazair: Owner of the Universal Rope Factory, Almas. "Because 1sp per day beats slavery".
22:58 <kapow> come to lynch the new competition
23:58 <Mekkis> "Ropes for all occasions!" "Amaze your enemies! Tie them up! String them up too! Then watch them dance!"
25:49 <Mekkis> hmmm... p167 of the CRB sort of reminds me of Deceased
27:45 <kapow> so mekkis for tsar I am taking favoured enemy in this order
27:51 <kapow> undead, evil outsider, dragon
27:56 <kapow> +3,2,1
28:08 <kapow> can you think of a better choice?
28:13 <kapow> other than mudmen :/
28:54 <Mekkis> isn't it +6/+4/+2?
29:12 <Mekkis> I'd go evil outsider, dragon, undead
29:28 <Mekkis> undead don't normally have that many HP
29:30 <Mekkis> actually
29:39 <Mekkis> swap dragon and undead
29:49 <Mekkis> you can use &instant enemy on the dragon
29:50 <diebot> INSTANT ENEMY enchantment ([]) ranger 3 1 swift action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature that is not your favored enemy. Comp: V, S Duration: 1 minute/level Save: none SR:no
29:50 <diebot> With this spell you designate the target as your favored enemy for the remainder of its duration. Select one of your favored enemy types. For the duration of the spell, you treat the target as if it were that type of favored enemy for all purposes.
30:25 <Mekkis> really, dragon's a bad choice at all
30:35 <kapow> I only can have 1 3rd level per day on my ranger
30:35 <Mekkis> you're not really going to come up against two of them
30:40 <kapow> but that is a good idea
30:51 <kapow> day we're going to fight the dragon just prep it
30:55 <kapow> instead of reduce animal
31:26 <kapow> I put undead 1st because of what I think is going to be in tsar once we finally get in there
31:41 <kapow> plus we have fought a giant undead t-rex before too
31:54 <kapow> lich's count as undead too right?
32:11 <Mekkis> I still don't believe that the interior of Tsar exists
32:51 <Mekkis> (and I think that the adventure layout is not particularly good0
32:53 <kapow> We went to hell last fortnight
33:00 <kapow> was fun ^_^
33:05 <kapow> got franks monk back
33:30 <Mekkis> I signed up for "Slumbering Tsar, doing a bunch of stuff in an underground city" not "Faffing around in the wilderness outside"
34:09 <Mekkis> it felt almost exactly like grinding for XP
34:45 <Mekkis> as in no plot advancement.
36:57 <kapow> to me it felt like an introduction to the world. less a little grinding for xp but it feels like it's giving us information a little anyway.
37:08 <kapow> about the back story of tsar so we know a little when we go in
37:18 <kapow> instead of just being like we know all the things about this place lets go in
38:05 <Mekkis> sure, but it gets old after six months
38:41 <kapow> a little but in saying that, it does have a fair bit to do with the other party members.
38:47 <kapow> everyone else is that terrified of the dragon
39:29 <Mekkis> "a little"
40:01 <Mekkis> it's still really grindy
41:22 <kapow> Owen is new and doesn't know too much but has cottoned on quickly and how is useful
41:31 <kapow> Lance is just useful but worries alot
41:49 <kapow> David knows what's up but is a cleric and clearly attached to his character
41:56 <Avatar> are owen and lance and david players or characters
41:59 <kapow> which makes him not want to loose it so a little scared
42:06 <Mekkis> lose*
42:06 <kapow> players
42:11 <kapow> lose
42:18 <kapow> los
42:25 <kapow> sole
42:30 <Mekkis> lse
42:38 <Mekkis> just keep removing os
42:39 <kapow> soel
42:52 <kapow> igloo
43:16 <Mekkis> the advantage of not playing PFS is to be able to have a more plot-focussed adventure
43:33 <kapow> yeah i am looking forward to running my campaign
43:36 <kapow> and i enjoy wotw
43:39 <kapow> it ha nice plot
44:12 <kapow> we are a bit slow sometimes for my liking but it's good we just don't play it often enough
44:25 <Mekkis> for WotW, yeah
45:17 <kapow> admittedly the entire time i was killing dwarves i was like, "Am I really doing this? Holy crap I did it and it may help."
45:36 <Mekkis> heh
45:40 <kapow> and the xp at the end was nice ^_^
45:50 <Mekkis> you know how it is: You DO need to take risks
45:57 <Mekkis> you just need to manage them
46:17 <kapow> well way i see it is if we don't do anything nothing happens in response and game freezes
46:25 <kapow> may as well do something see what happens and respond to that
46:31 <Mekkis> the game's not freezing
46:39 <Mekkis> I have a calendar
46:41 <kapow> not wotw specifically
46:42 <Mekkis> Stuff is happening
46:46 <kapow> games in general
47:01 <Mekkis> the bugbears are amassing to the north
47:57 <Mekkis> A raven has flown to Daveryn with news...
48:10 <Mekkis> ...
48:53 <Mekkis> There's a bunch of suspicion about with regards to the slaughter of the dwarves
56:48 <kapow> excellent the more saps to destroy :D
58:33 <kapow> I do kind of wish i had enough levels of ranger to get 4th level spells
00:17 <Mekkis> yeah
00:31 <Mekkis> why don't you /wish/ for it?
00:37 <kapow> :P
00:50 <kapow> We're going to witness the bad end of some wishes shortly
00:55 <kapow> hopefully this wednesday
01:14 <Mekkis> I get to play PFS this wednesday
01:57 <Mekkis> maybe I'll run MoFF on Thursday
02:45 <kapow> woot :D
02:47 <kapow> MoFF?
02:59 <Mekkis> Master of Fallen Fortress
03:16 <kapow> do it i haven't played it yet
03:19 <Mekkis> there are enough low-level players here to justify it
03:37 <kapow> I'll be playing the shadow lodge scenario next wednesday not this
03:42 <kapow> then running it the fortnight after
03:55 <kapow> I ran way of the kirin last week so i have to decide who is going to get that boon
04:31 <kapow> thinking it's going to go to peter in prep for bonekeep
04:38 <kapow> get the extra attribute
05:12 <Mekkis> you SHOULD have done that earlier
06:03 <kapow> why?
06:16 <Mekkis> because it's cheating.
06:41 <Mekkis> If you didn't elect who the credit went to when you filled out the reporting sheet, it didn't go to anyone.
06:43 <kapow> we didn't have sheets or anything there cause flood didn't print them because i didn't remind him i have no printer XP
06:54 <kapow> sheets haven't been filled out yet
06:59 <kapow> cause we didn't have them there
07:01 <Mekkis> (And you're free to rerun it for credit later)
07:11 <Mekkis> chronicle sheets were, right?
07:17 <kapow> no
07:21 <Mekkis> and a slip of paper was passed around with details
07:37 <kapow> we had none printed to give out cause daniel was meant to and we forgot
08:06 <Mekkis> the details of the characters was passed around was it not?
08:22 <kapow> to the best of my knowledge yes
08:27 <Mekkis> (that's known as a reporting sheet, even if it isn't all official-looking)
10:02 <kapow> thing is i may want to apply it to a new character when it reaches the appropriate level so it would remain away anyway
10:41 <Mekkis> thing is, you're required to assign credit immediately, not a week (or a month) after GMing it.
10:56 <kapow> *shrugs*
36:15 <Maestro> DM: You come to a fork in the road
36:26 <Maestro> Me: I pick it up just in case I need it later
36:36 <Maestro> DM: *facepalm*
44:51 <Blasticka> that's so bad maestro
45:01 <Blasticka> those ones are so fun though
55:19 <Maestro> :P
56:02 <Maestro> I just think it's wicked cool that my summoner's Eidolon has Dr.
56:08 <Maestro> DR*
58:53 <Maestro> Test
59:26 <Maestro> x-x my connection to au.austnet.org is being wonky for some reason...
01:45 <HTT-Bird> o.o
02:26 <Maestro> Damnit… I swear I had just thought of a brilliant concept for a sci-fi novel...
02:35 <Maestro> But I can't remember it now.
03:02 <HTT-Bird> aww.
03:41 * HTT-Bird is racking his brain, trying to figure out what sort of wedge is being driven between objective realism and subjective believability
04:01 <HTT-Bird> because I have a character on my hands that seems to be caught in "one or the other" mode
04:59 <CWheezy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOQkBEnw0Ag
05:05 <diebot> CWheezy, Baby Spider Nest!
05:06 <CWheezy> now for something totally different
05:16 <Maestro> Precisely what is the cause of this dissonance?
05:20 <CWheezy> !roll 2d10
05:21 <dicebot> CWheezy, 2d10: [2d10=2,9] 11
06:25 <HTT-Bird> either they behave in what to me is an objectively realistic way for that character, and wind up being very difficult for others to empathize with/believe as a 'realistic' character, or they behave in a way that's believable to others, but doesn't make sense rationally for that character
07:25 <Maestro> Perhaps there is another perspective you could take when considering that character's deeper motives and ambitions.
07:57 <Maestro> Or perhaps someone can detour that character via manipulation
08:41 <Maestro> i.e. "You'll get that thing you need when you complete this task I have"
09:28 <HTT-Bird> Maestro: we're talking an 'archmanipulator' character here (i.e. they are stubborn/resolute/indomitable as all get out, and will get to their destination by hook or by crook)
09:55 <HTT-Bird> (very much a character that prefers to impose their will vs letting things happen to them)
10:05 <Maestro> Well then… kill him and make an easier character :P
11:07 <HTT-Bird> the problem with *that* is I'm still not sure how to make a character that operates at a high capability level without also imparting that 'wants to impose their will on everything in sight' aspect
12:04 <Maestro> Well now we're just too vague for me to even make landfall. I'm not even sure if you're writing a novel or a Pathfinder character's back-story
13:21 <HTT-Bird> well, it's a problem that seems to be generalized.  I'm trying to figure out what went awry when I created an RP char many moons ago to yield a result that was so atrociously RP-breaking
14:34 <HTT-Bird> and it seems to have repeated itself when I created other strong characters, irrespective of the system or setting
19:00 <Maestro> Huh
19:03 <Maestro> Well you have me stumped
33:19 <HTT-Bird> it seem that to me, in order for a character to be 'strong'/'capable of performing w/e their schtick is well' they first need to be indomitable and self-optimizing (i.e. they learn from their mistakes and those of others quite readily)
34:26 <HTT-Bird> *seems
35:49 <HTT-Bird> as to motivations...best way I can put it is that they have an insatiable need to improve their surroundings for a certain definition of 'improve'
43:40 <Maestro> Sounds like you yourself have a pretty strict world view, at least in terms of what constitutes a driven character
43:51 <Maestro> Not everyone is Batman :P
09:44 <Maestro> I might be, though.
09:50 <Maestro> At least, that's what it says on my resume 
27:21 <HTT-Bird> Maestro, I do indeed
27:32 <HTT-Bird> have a strict worldview of what constitutes a driven character
27:49 <HTT-Bird> I suspect that's because I am either at 110% or 0% myself
37:46 <Maestro> I am very much the same way, but I try not to limit my world view to the scope that there must only exist people like me.
37:53 <Maestro> Some heroes are born of circumstance, not destiny.
39:58 * Maestro has a PFS game in 20 minutes <3
40:22 <Yiroep> Orly?
40:26 <Yiroep> Scenario?
40:52 <CWheezy> I'm jelly
42:13 <Yiroep> I mean to say: What scenario is it?
44:40 <HTT-Bird> Maestro: and I generally think of neither circumstance nor destiny, but action
44:48 <HTT-Bird> they are actors in the world vs reactors
45:38 <Maestro> Assault on the Kingdom of the Impossible
45:55 <CWheezy> Oh, I have gm'd that one
45:57 <CWheezy> but not played it
46:19 <Yiroep> Oh, that one is funny. :p
46:22 <Yiroep> I enjoyed it.
48:12 <Maestro> haven't played it yet ^_^
49:00 <CWheezy> that was the first game I ever gm'd
50:40 <Yiroep> Hrm, I wonder what the first thing I GMed was...
51:38 <CWheezy> hopefully in a couple hours there will be a pick up game
52:38 <HTT-Bird> speaking of things...*has a picture of a halfling riding a spider*
52:43 <Yiroep> Oh, Crypt of the Everflame was the first one I GMed.
52:44 <HTT-Bird> (in his head, that is)
53:35 <Yiroep> First death as a GM was my 5th game. Two crits in the same full attack. Ouch.
53:49 <Yiroep> Death of a player when I was GMing*
53:54 <HTT-Bird> *nods*
57:11 <Maestro> I wonder how wrong it would be to play two PFS games at the same time...
57:24 <Maestro> Is there a circle of hell for that sort of person?
07:09 <Yiroep> LOL
07:13 <HTT-Bird> *rolls eyes* why would there be?
07:20 <Yiroep> I've sort of done it before.
07:36 <Yiroep> I did a real PFS scenario and one of those dinky PFS quests at the same time.
08:00 <Yiroep> PFS quests are like 40 minutes, though.
09:11 <Yiroep> I wouldn't want to do it, personally. I like the full experience of the game.
09:26 <Yiroep> But if it's something I've played before (like first steps) and I can just take my turn...that's fine w/ me.
09:52 <Yiroep> As long as it's not the same character in both I think it's technically legal. :p
27:43 <***> Buffer Playback...
27:43 <***> Playback Complete.
28:22 <Steven> yes
28:52 <Mekkis> Steven, you should run something so I can get my cheesed-up character OPed through abuse of rules
29:17 <CWheezy> mekkis, can I join your thing
29:22 <CWheezy> campaign
30:22 <Mekkis> sure
30:54 <Maestro> Is there any feasible way to report a lousy GM?
31:24 <Maestro> Not anyone in this group, I'm not trolling for crying out loud x-x
31:33 <Steven> im not running anything
32:14 <Mekkis> you told me that I needed to cheese out a character. Part of this involves playing something like Masks of the Living God
32:15 <Avatar> you can report a session you played as being dodgy 
32:27 <Avatar> that's not a whole lot of help 
32:49 <Avatar> what kind of lousiness are you talking about
32:57 <Steven> i spent all day friday, saturday, and sunday GMing
33:15 <Steven> im taking a break for a day or two
33:28 <Mekkis> doesn't have to be tonight
35:11 <Mekkis> Data Used 97% (1996 MB)
35:48 <***> Buffer Playback...
35:48 <***> Playback Complete.
36:13 * Mekkis just realised that his limit is 2048MB, not 2000MB
37:50 <Steven> hmmmm.... thinking of making a crazy janky character
38:48 <Brunius> Are you sure, Mekkis?
39:06 <Mekkis> Plan Data Limit = 2048MB
39:06 <Mekkis> Data Used 97% (1996 MB)
39:43 <Blasticka> my dwarven monk is almost done
41:58 <Blasticka> has anyone seen our new players Mist, and adrian today?
43:06 <Mekkis> Adrian is online
45:09 <Blasticka> alright cool. well, if we get enough interest in first steps I'll spend some more time getting prepped this evening.
45:52 <Maestro> First steps? When?
47:02 <Maestro> Room for one more?
53:03 <Steven> ill play some first steps, but i dont want to play anything
53:08 <Steven> er....
53:08 <Steven> GM
53:57 <Brunius> All GM'd out from Paizocon?
54:18 <Brunius> Oh, this bro was hanging out near my computer on sunday
54:18 <Brunius> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8duqyp3rzxrnwyq/2013-07-07%2011.35.00.jpg
54:31 <Brunius> I posted it in another IRC channel and all the Americans freaked the hell out
54:37 <Wrothmonk> AGH!
54:45 <Wrothmonk> that must have been horrible.
54:51 <Brunius> Meh
55:07 <Brunius> My whole life these bros have chillaxed around my house
55:18 <Brunius> There was a baby one on the dishwasher the same day
55:24 <Wrothmonk> ...
55:35 <Brunius> They both got moved outside
55:44 <Wrothmonk> http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/27722791.jpg
56:01 <Wrothmonk> thats how I feel about you guys sometimes :P
57:02 <Wrothmonk> Anyway, I wouldn't mind playing first steps with my gunslinger and future myrmidarch.
57:16 <CWheezy> what is that?
57:48 <Wrothmonk> ?
58:01 <CWheezy> the spider
58:11 <Brunius> A huntsman?
58:24 <Wrothmonk> bloody massive. thats what it is.
58:36 <Brunius> That was only the size of my hand...
59:00 <Wrothmonk> Do I need to link that meme again?
59:08 <Wrothmonk> "only"
59:41 <Brunius> It's not like he was chilling in the shower
59:43 <Brunius> Or near my bed
59:50 <Brunius> Both of which have happened before
59:57 <Wrothmonk> Damnit man, I need to sleep!
00:23 <CWheezy> its just a spider
00:26 <Brunius> Those spiders live in the US too, man
00:35 <CWheezy> it just wants to eat some bugs or a small bird or something
00:41 <Brunius> It's not like it's an Australia-only phenomenon
01:04 <Brunius> That particular species or genus or whatever apparently eats household pests such as cockroaches
01:43 <Maestro> So wait… is somebody putting together first steps?
01:57 <Wrothmonk> later on yes
02:28 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, run something I haven't played for me
02:32 <Mekkis> please
05:53 <Maestro> When is later on?
06:00 <Maestro> It's 1 AM over here
08:19 <Wrothmonk> any particular level range?
09:15 <Wrothmonk> and you really need to update the scenarios you have run.
12:37 <Maestro> First Steps is the scenario you're actually allowed to do over and over again, right?
12:42 <Wrothmonk> yes
12:42 <Maestro> Just as long as it's always with a new characger
12:49 <Wrothmonk> ^
12:52 <Maestro> ^_^" Just checking
20:41 <Maestro> Sorry for the AFK
20:51 <Maestro> What I mean is I haven't gotten a chronicle sheet for a game I played two weeks ago
20:59 <Maestro> And the DM won't answer my e-mails
34:21 <Steven> ask him in person
39:39 <***> Buffer Playback...
39:39 <***> Playback Complete.
39:52 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, my "games played" is accurate.
40:23 <Wrothmonk> so you don't care if you have already gmed it.
40:45 <Mekkis> there are two games I've GMed without playing: Veteran's Vault and Darkest Vengeance
41:01 <Mekkis> and First Steps I and II, but they don't really count...
41:01 <Avatar> you should play the latter mekkis I hear it's good
41:21 <Mekkis> would you run it for me, Avatar?
41:30 <Avatar> no
41:32 <Avatar> you would metagame
41:48 <Mekkis> then why do you say I should play it?
42:02 <Avatar> paradox !
42:08 * Steven mind blown
42:23 <Maestro> o.O?
42:41 <Wrothmonk> No, its the shrodinger's cat of wanting you to play something.
43:00 <Mekkis> I killed two PCs last time I ran Veteran's Vault
44:18 <Steven> I'll play veterans Vault.
45:44 <Avatar> I've only run a scenario cold once
45:58 <Avatar> wait, not run cold
46:00 <Avatar> without playing it first
46:57 <Mekkis> fort save or die. Fun fun fun
47:28 <Wrothmonk> How about the night march of kalkamedes?
47:35 <Mekkis> playing that tomorrow
48:54 <Mekkis> how about Devil We Know III!
52:44 <Wrothmonk> hrm... Can I apply that without having done pt 2?
53:24 <Steven> yup
54:50 <Wrothmonk> Alright. Could you please send the scenario steven, as I have no money.
55:00 <Steven> say what?
56:51 <Blasticka> not even 3.99?
56:57 <Blasticka> that's like a cheeseburger
57:31 <Brunius|M> It is here
57:47 <Wrothmonk> I'm still leaching off my parents, what do you expect?
58:08 <Blasticka> chicken wings. I expect chicken wings and a mt. dew.
58:11 <Wrothmonk> but nvm. I'll figure it out.
58:15 <Mekkis> Brunius, how long until you graduate?
58:37 <Maestro> These are online PFS games
58:38 <Brunius> From High School? About 16 months
58:45 <Maestro> He lives in… Oklahoma
03:40 <Steven> buying gear for my new char
08:33 <Steven> talk to Joseph Caubo
11:40 <Maestro> I'm crashing. G'night
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12:20 <Steven> oh man, i ran into a dude at paizocon
12:39 <Steven> who tried to convince me that illusion spells do Non Lethal damage
13:49 <Steven> because they dont say they dont...
14:19 * Maestro Googles
28:00 <Maestro> ```Cool cool cool
31:08 <Steven> sup goya how was paizocon for you?
31:52 <Goya> it was nice.  i just wish i woke up early enough for the 8am games ;). sucks being old.
33:22 <Goya> I had a great time though.  Even if I fumbled the boon roll... 
34:21 <Steven> hey happens all the time
34:35 <Steven> I got another wanang boon and some other random shit.
34:39 <Goya> *nods*
35:07 <Goya> i was hoping for a race boon. but i imagine those are rare
35:14 <Steven> only 3 of em this year
35:25 <Steven> wanang, kitsune and suli i think.
35:34 <Steven> i think our group got multiples of each.
35:35 <Maestro> I wish I could get my hands on a Kitsune boon
35:39 <Maestro> But I've never been to a convention
36:11 <Steven> alright, time to go help moscow with their PFS... im going lurk mode followed by random disconnects and reconnects
36:25 <Goya> hehe.  ok.
36:38 <Wrothmonk> Evenin' everyone.
37:13 <Maestro> Have fun
37:21 <Maestro> I wish I could get my hands on a Kitsune race boon v.v
37:35 <Goya> It was my first con in 20 years or more.  Evenin 0/
38:23 <Goya> The boon I got sucks.  I only played 3 games total so I only got one boon..
39:15 <Steven> should have talked to me man, i could have gotten you that extra coin no prob.
39:32 <Steven> alright, steppin away.
39:43 <Goya> Hehe.  No worries I can use the coin next year :)
40:19 <Goya> Ill practice not sleeping beforehand - though its tough when your 40.. ;)
40:46 <Wrothmonk> I find it ironic that mekkis is running a campaign that is meant to be safe for "horribly cheesy characters".
41:18 <Wrothmonk> I should convert my gunslinger/myrimadarch...
41:19 <Goya> heh
42:03 <Goya> What campaign is he running thats safe for cheezy characters?
42:14 <Wrothmonk> Cry even more
42:20 <Wrothmonk> QQ2
42:25 <Goya> ah. heh
13:12 <Maestro> Oh god...
13:23 <Maestro> I think we've diplomacy'd our way past three different combats.
13:33 <Maestro> It's clever (and very lucky) but SOOOO boring
14:30 <Maestro> Someone in my party actually has "Enhance Diplomacy" as a spell
14:40 <Wrothmonk> Yeah, I can never play a diplomatic character well.
14:46 <Wrothmonk> mainly since I like fighting
15:26 <Wrothmonk> and coming up with ways to fight creatively. 
15:59 <Wrothmonk> such as grappling and jumping off a high place, acrobatics to take half fall damage while the grappled enemy cant.
17:37 <Maestro> Seems pretty circumstancial
17:43 <Wrothmonk> Yeah it is
17:48 <Wrothmonk> but it worked rather well.
18:25 <Maestro> Also you could do that better with a maneuver monk Tengu with the Wings alternate racial trait and Irori religion trait that allows you to take any DEX trait (flying) and turns it into a +1 and a class skill.
18:45 <Wrothmonk> Not a bad idea.
18:49 <Maestro> DC15 Fly check to ignore any falling damage
19:40 <Wrothmonk> but dont you still need to have a reliable means of flight to use the fly skill?
22:23 <CWheezy> yes
22:39 <CWheezy> eventually you will probably always be flying
27:23 <CWheezy> any pickup games happening?
28:06 <CWheezy> Maestro: yes diplomacy is very powerful. If you can hit a dc 50 you can change anyon'e mind about anything
28:38 <Maestro> Yup… we did the entire session with only one instance of combat and we were orchestrating our own defeat as part of a ruse.
28:45 <Maestro> Those damn diplomacy roles ;0
32:46 <Maestro> owait
32:50 <Maestro> I JUST LEVELED UP :D
32:53 * Maestro dances
33:16 <Maestro> !throw 1d20+5
33:16 <diebot> Maestro, 1d20+5: [1d20=7] 12
33:26 <Maestro> !throw 1d6+9
33:27 <diebot> Maestro, 1d6+9: [1d6=1] 10
33:37 <Maestro> !throw 2d4_8
33:37 <diebot> Maestro, 2d4_8: [2d4=3,2] 13
33:45 <Maestro> !throw 2d4+8
33:46 <diebot> Maestro, 2d4+8: [2d4=4,2] 14
14:13 <HTT-Bird> o/ again Maestro 
14:26 <Maestro> heyo
15:14 <HTT-Bird> so, I've come to the conclusion that the problems I've been having with strong characters are control-related
16:01 <HTT-Bird> they take charge of situations they're placed in, and generally avoid situations that would put them outside a controlling position
16:50 <HTT-Bird> (i.e. winding up in a situation they subsequently can't control)
16:59 <***> Buffer Playback...
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17:34 <Mekkis> isn't PAX next week?
22:48 <Maestro> I'm back
22:59 <Maestro> The internet here is suspiciously… suspicious.
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26:44 <HTT-Bird> :/
26:51 <HTT-Bird> need me to repost something?
32:59 <HTT-Bird> Maestro, ah.  so basically, its a "how do you create a situation yourself that's believably out-of-control IC for a character?"
35:40 <HTT-Bird> o/ btw Wrothmonk 
37:15 <Wrothmonk> Hello
45:48 <Mekkis> "How did you get the explosives?" "Oh, I signed for them"
04:30 <Adrian> Yeah I'm flying out to Melbs for PAX for work Weds/Thurs (can't remember, will have to check).
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