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00:01 <Yuugi> "Oh, the Wizard moved 2 squares away and the Fighter is beside me now"
00:03 <HTT-Bird> Maestro, exactly.
00:06 <Yuugi> "ATTACK THE FIGHTER"
00:08 <Yuugi> hurhur
00:16 <Raeso> Name; Wrothmonk, Char; Raeso; PFS #58171-7, email: [email protected]
00:16 <Maestro> Yeah
00:20 Raeso is now known as Wrothmonk
00:22 <Maestro> Most people will make that decision.
00:31 <Yuugi> Well, I guess I'm not most people?
00:37 <Wrothmonk> !throw 1d20+7 dayjob
00:37 <diebot> Wrothmonk, dayjob: [1d20=13] 20
00:40 <Maestro> Because now the option is A: Attack the Fighter or B: Pursue the Mage, get attacked by the fighter with his AoO
00:46 <Maestro> Just like with concealment.
00:52 <Maestro> A: Attack the fighter and maybe hit him.
01:06 <HTT-Bird> B: chase the mage, get stabbed in the arse by the fighter
01:10 <Maestro> B: Attack the Mage and maybe hit him, but also roll again, because now you have 2 chances to miss him.
01:19 <Yuugi> You all assume that the fighter is going to hit.
01:25 <Yuugi> Again, it's a roll that can also fail
01:31 <Maestro> We're not assuming he'll hit.
01:35 <Yuugi> Yes you are.
01:36 <Maestro> We're assuming it's better that he never tried.
01:42 <Yuugi> You're assuming teh AoO of the Fighter
01:44 <Yuugi> will hit the goblin
01:44 <HTT-Bird> Yuugi, even if he doesn't land the AoO, its something else that can go wrong for the goblin
01:45 <Maestro> OH.
01:50 <Maestro> We're not assuming the fighter will hit.
01:55 <Mutare> Char- Mutare Figura; PFS-#94712-1; email [email protected]; 
01:55 <HTT-Bird> so...why take the risk?
01:55 <Yuugi> Hm...
01:57 <Maestro> We're saying that it calculates into most people's decisions.
02:07 <Yuugi> Well, for me, it makes things more interesting.
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02:11 <Maestro> MOST people think about that before deciding whether to chase the mage
02:11 <HTT-Bird> yeah.
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02:40 <Maestro> Otherwise it's just lazy GMing
02:44 <Maestro> :P
02:46 <HTT-Bird> I'd be like "jump the mage, make the fighter come over to the mage, then jump the fighter" ;)
02:58 <HTT-Bird> but that's me drawing parallels to Eve
03:00 <Sipton> sorry back again
03:07 <Sipton> so... did we find the guy?
03:19 <Wrothmonk> nope
03:19 <HTT-Bird> grab the squishy valuable target and use it to bait the enemy fighters over to you
03:28 <Maestro> brb
03:28 <HTT-Bird> then drop the hammer on their entire war band
03:32 <Yuugi> lol
03:37 <Sipton> a 22 didnt find his trail?
03:48 <Ultio> lost it in the woods
03:56 <Archimedes> Apparently this one is designed to make 1st level characters feel fucking stupid
03:58 <Sipton> it should be easier to track in the woods.
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04:20 <longshot> it has +10 DC in the woods
04:22 <Ultio> Prolly like a druids ability to not be found unless on purpose
04:26 <longshot> because of its race
04:32 <Archimedes> Racists
04:32 <HTT-Bird> "I'M TACKLED, HELP ME!" "I'll SAVE YOU!!!!" "PLEASE!"...."OH SH** WE'RE ALL DOOMED!!!!"
04:46 <Wrothmonk> well I gtg eat
04:49 <Wrothmonk> GG
04:53 <Wrothmonk> I did all the work :P
04:55 <Archimedes> GG
04:58 <Archimedes> lol
05:01 <Archimedes> I did all the blind
05:02 <Wrothmonk> you guys suck for getting blind.
05:04 <HTT-Bird> if you don't mind me telling an Eve story, I can give an example of that that happened recently
05:09 <Ultio> Blind ftw
05:11 <Ultio> haha
05:15 <Wrothmonk> and to think I died with a gunslinger last time
05:24 <longshot> dayjob archimedes?
05:26 <Wrothmonk> but then again we had the zombie to deal with and it was the first combat for us
05:28 <Yuugi> I suppose I'm just a little bit different. And go ahead.
05:33 <Archimedes> I wish I knew how to get ahold of chronicles that unlock the other races that are available.
05:35 <Archimedes> Oh right.
05:43 <Archimedes> !throw 1d20+9 Craft(Alchemy)
05:43 <diebot> Archimedes, Craft(Alchemy): [1d20=12] 21
05:44 <longshot> OH RIGHT
05:45 <Wrothmonk> I'm not sure if there are any,
05:53 <longshot> who was the one who got paralyzed by the ghoul?
05:56 <Ultio> you have to go to conventions
06:09 <Ultio> i didnt get paralyzed
06:17 <Yuugi> Eve is that MMO right?
06:25 <longshot> someone did
06:28 <longshot> at the very beginning
06:28 <HTT-Bird> yeah, internet spaceships are srs bsns ;)
06:31 <longshot> was it archimedes?
06:37 <HTT-Bird> but yeah.  a few days back, I was on my main, scouting
06:42 <Archimedes> I remember being blinded.
06:46 <longshot> because whoever got paralzed also contracted ghoul rot 
07:10 <HTT-Bird> started off with the 'next door neighbors' so to speak and was heading down from there, when we noticed they were trying to slip a hauler out through their main (static) exit
07:11 <Ultio> I didnt take any damage until the room with the 6 kobolds
07:20 <Archimedes> there's no such thing as ghoul rot
07:33 <longshot> well, whatever the disease is that turns you into a ghoul
07:35 <longshot> you have it
07:38 <HTT-Bird> we decided to let the hauler and his scouting buddy pass, they had 1 other friend sitting at their base, just chillin' you know?
07:39 <Archimedes> I do?
07:44 <Archimedes> I thought it was a frog
07:45 <longshot> yup
07:51 <longshot> So you have to paid to get cured of it.
07:53 <longshot> It's a pain.
08:04 <Archimedes> Does it cost more than the adventure gives me?
08:05 <HTT-Bird> what we then did is stuck a couple of ships on their main exit, and me on the other side, and waited for the hauler to come back.
08:20 <longshot> I'm not sure. Sipton do you know how much it costs?
08:26 <Ultio> what its from the frog?
08:31 <Archimedes> How the fuck is this quest designed for level 1 characters?
08:43 <longshot> Yeah, it sucks
08:52 <longshot> Very difficult
08:52 <HTT-Bird> caught the hauler and his scout on entry with our initial party (1 damage dealer, 1 crowd control, and me as a 'picket' on the other side)
09:06 <HTT-Bird> but we also had 2 other damage dealers formed up and waiting in our home system
09:15 <Archimedes> Do I even get a fort save?
09:16 <longshot> It would have been way easier if you hadn't gone through the back way
09:29 <longshot> Uh yeah do another fort save
09:38 <HTT-Bird> so when the hauler's buddy came over to try to deal with the little blockade we had going, we just dropped the other two damage dealers in and wiped his rump across the floor
09:54 <Archimedes> Would my character have known about this?
10:00 <longshot> If you had gone through the front then you could have taken out 4 of those kobolds first, then only dealt with the other four and the caster by themselves
10:01 <Archimedes> !throw 1d20+2 fort
10:01 <diebot> Archimedes, fort: [1d20=5] 7
10:08 <Archimedes> Well fuck I guess I just died.
10:11 <longshot> yeah that fails
10:16 <longshot> Maybe not.
10:25 <longshot> I think you can also use prestige to get rid of diseases.
10:29 <Archimedes> This has to be the most annoying adventure ever.
10:48 <Yiroep> What adventure?
10:56 <Archimedes> First Steps 2
11:04 <Yiroep> Ah.
11:19 <Archimedes> I spent the entire adventure blind and now I get to pay to cure a disease I didn't know I had.
11:32 <longshot> you essentially have to buy a remove disease potion. or pay to have some caster cast it on you.
11:40 <Yiroep> Yeah, that one can be rough. Last time I GMed it I downed 3/5 of the people and 1 was paralyzed.
11:43 <Yiroep> They made it through, though.
11:51 <Archimedes> Wow.
11:59 <Archimedes> That adventure shouldn't be allowed anymore. 
12:03 <longshot> So you have to pay to have a healer cast a level 3 spell on you
12:13 <Archimedes> How on earth do you have an introductory adventure with a reputation of taking people down
12:16 <longshot> ultio i need your info
12:39 <longshot> its that frog, man
12:48 <longshot> causes blind, +5 on all its attacks
12:51 <Archimedes> You said it was a ghoul
12:54 <HTT-Bird> got it all Yuugi?
12:58 <longshot> THREE attacks on a full action
13:02 <Ultio> I wrote it
13:02 <Archimedes> I wish you'd at least decide what monster hit me. x-x
13:02 <longshot> no the frog was inside
13:09 <Yuugi> Yeah, cool story?
13:10 <longshot> the ghoul was outside, first encounter
13:12 <Ultio> uner Mutare thought..
13:13 <Steven> !throw 14d6
13:13 <diebot> Steven, 14d6: [14d6=3,6,5,5,3,5,5,3,6,1,4,5,4,3] 58
13:15 <Ultio> Sec
13:16 <Yuugi> It sounds like you taught that guy a lesson
13:28 <HTT-Bird> yeah, we had him quaking in his boots for the rest of the day
13:38 <Yiroep> I've also had groups curbstomp it.
13:41 <Yiroep> It all depends on rolls.
14:01 <Sipton> Actually, it would have been way easier if the NPC behaved according to his Moral, which is to gather his possessions while color spraying anyone who gets near, then  escape down the well instead of grabbing the kobolds in the other room which are on the verge of mutiny.
14:03 <longshot> I found it ultio
14:07 <Yiroep> Funny you say it shouldn't be allowed though....in a month, it won't be!
14:08 <Ultio> Character- Mutare Figura; PFS-#94712-1; email [email protected]
14:21 <longshot> Oh I didn't see the down the well part
14:27 <longshot> i just saw escape
14:38 <longshot> and he didn't really gather them, just opened the door to the room they were in
14:47 <longshot> and then they saw you beating up on the rest of the kobolds
15:01 <longshot> do you have a dayjob ultio?
15:03 <Sipton> its cool, it was just a much harder fight then it was supposed to be.  Went from a CR 3 to a CR4 fight.
15:26 <Sipton> Which a CR3 fight is supposed to be 'Hard' for our APL
15:28 <Ultio> but that fight wasnt the worst one
15:44 <longshot> it's the one that made you lose the katana though
15:52 <Ultio> yeah
16:02 <Ultio> stupid katana
16:10 <Archimedes> Fiasco
16:14 <Sipton> yeah, because we were too busy fighting an extra 4 kobolds to do damage to him.
16:27 Archimedes is now known as Maestro
16:33 <Ultio> ok well i am off to bed
16:39 <Ultio> see you guys
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16:52 <Sipton> its okay, the boon is only rarely gotten anyways because it takes a pretty crazy perception check to find.
17:15 <Sipton> i'd have to roll a nat 20 to find the paper.
17:15 <longshot> did you want to count this steven or nah?
17:19 <Maestro> !throw 4d6+16+4d6
17:19 <diebot> Maestro, 4d6+16+4d6: [4d6=1,4,3,6; 4d6=1,5,4,4] 44
17:20 Sipton is now known as Steven
17:34 <Steven> hmmmm.... let me go see if any of my guys can have it applied to them.
18:01 <longshot> will you report this for me as well again since paizo's website hates me?
18:25 <Steven> suppose i could do that
18:26 <Yuugi> !throw 2d10
18:26 <diebot> Yuugi, 2d10: [2d10=5,2] 7
18:31 <longshot> you da best
18:36 <Yuugi> 52! is the correct answer.
19:01 <Steven> my rolls on initative were stupid good
19:08 <Steven> and then my rolls on everything else just... ugh
19:25 <longshot> yeah thats definitely another reason it felt so hard
19:32 <longshot> you were all rolling crap and i was rolling gold
20:26 <Steven> alright, give me the info
21:13 <longshot> my number is 90353-4, theirs are 58171-7, 85556-4, and 94712-1
21:55 <HTT-Bird> !throw (4d6+3)*4d6
22:04 Brunius|M has quit (Connection closed)
22:10 <HTT-Bird> !throw (4d6+3)*(4d6)
22:17 <HTT-Bird> *blinks*
22:46 <Maestro> So how to people unlock those cool races like Oread and Kitsune?
22:56 <Yuugi> !throw 4d6x4d6
22:56 <diebot> Yuugi, 4d6x4d6: [4d6=4,2,6,6; 4d6=5,1,2,4] 30
23:02 <Yuugi> Gotta use an "x"
23:07 <Steven> boons
23:22 <HTT-Bird> !throw (4d6+3)x(4d6)
23:35 <HTT-Bird> !throw (4d6+3)x4d6
23:41 <HTT-Bird> !throw 4d6+3x4d6
23:41 <diebot> HTT-Bird, 4d6+3x4d6: [4d6=2,2,1,3; 4d6=4,6,5,6] 32
23:49 <Yuugi> hm
23:54 <HTT-Bird> !throw (4d6+3)x3
24:00 <HTT-Bird> apparently diebot can't handle ()
24:37 <HTT-Bird> which is unfortunate, because then you have to distribute out the modifiers on critted modified weapons, which is annoying
24:42 <longshot> that roc should have also had AC 19 i think instead of 12...
24:44 <Maestro> I was wondering if anyone knew specifically which adventures.
24:44 <HTT-Bird> but o/ all
25:03 <Steven> not on adventures
25:10 <Steven> convention boons and what not
25:13 <longshot> +5 natural armor and +4 DEx
25:16 <Wrothmonk> animal companions are basically glass cannons to the core.
25:25 <Maestro> Ah
25:35 <Maestro> Well shoot, I guess I'll have to try the convention next year.
25:37 <longshot> so unless it was getting a minus 7 from somewhere...
28:27 <Wrothmonk> how does the roc have 5 natural armor at first level?
28:31 <Yuugi> byes
29:12 * Maestro goes AFK to cook dinner
32:15 * Maestro is making orange chicken stir fry
32:45 <longshot> just does
32:59 <longshot> according to d20's animal companion page at least
46:41 Maestro has quit (Client exited)
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50:39 <Steven> !throw 14d6
50:40 <diebot> Steven, 14d6: [14d6=2,5,4,3,5,5,4,3,3,1,3,3,2,5] 48
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01:05 <Maestro> in-laws… *grumble*
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36:23 * Maestro lurks.
39:26 * Yuugi pokes Maestro
39:49 * Maestro explodes! Make a reflex save!
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00:38 <Steven> yo
00:52 <Steven> before anyone says anything, i will absolutely not be playing tonight
01:50 <Yuugi> Was there a game tonight?
02:49 <Steven> the last couple of nights i've been roped into extra games, im way to tired to play righ tnow.
03:26 <Maestro> lol
03:31 <Maestro> WE'RE DOING FIRST STEPS 3
03:45 <Steven> fuck that, no im not.
03:50 <Maestro> STEVEN
03:54 <Steven> i'm gonna watch a movie and go to sleep
03:55 <Maestro> WE'RE DOING RISE OF THE RUNELORDS
04:01 <Maestro> O.O all of it O.O
04:03 * Steven shrugs
04:10 <Yuugi> lolwut
04:15 <Yuugi> All in one night?
04:15 <Steven> I'm already GMing a campaign f that
04:16 <Maestro> Thanks for playing with us lately, Steven ^_^
04:19 <Yuugi> IMPOSSIBIRU
04:34 <Yuugi> Also
04:46 <Yuugi> I think I may be the only one in the world who has the view on RPGs that I do.
04:50 <Yuugi> It's so lonely :(
05:13 <Steven> would you like to see my 'care face'?
06:03 <Steven> see now he is debating on if im being a smart ass or not.
07:02 <Yuugi> Actually, I'm debating if you're secretly a Care Bear and you were offering to give me a Care Bear Stare.
22:21 <Steven> my burrito was delicious
22:28 <Steven> now... time to find something to watch.
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35:44 Maestro has quit (Client exited)
38:54 <Steven> so hows everyone doin tonight anyways?
43:58 Tallen has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
58:35 <Maestro> Mostly happy faces.
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20:21 <Maestro> Damn internet
21:53 <Steven> yo
45:16 <Maestro> Yo
47:56 <Avatar> sup
48:47 <Avatar> what did longshot say his availability is like
06:05 <Brunius> How do you get on 60 minutes
06:08 <Brunius> or Today Tonight
06:10 <Brunius> or whatever it is
07:45 <Avatar> start drama
08:17 <Mekkis> who wants a game tonight?
09:29 <Avatar> pass
13:05 <Maestro> Interested.
15:01 <Avatar> maestro what's your availability
15:10 <Maestro> Define?
15:16 <Mekkis> when are you available
15:33 <Maestro> What day?
16:46 <Avatar> days/times
16:54 <Avatar> in general, not specific dates
17:09 <Maestro> Virtually completely open.
17:18 <Maestro> Until classes start in September.
17:29 <Avatar> don't you sleep
17:42 <Avatar> can we wake you
17:58 <Maestro> Yeah, I stay up for PFS
18:08 <Maestro> I'm typically an insomniac anyway
18:12 <Avatar> what about, in about 15 hours from now
18:17 <Avatar> but not actually tomorrow
18:23 <Avatar> like just that time of day
18:50 <Maestro> Typically that time of day is… 5PM. Perfect timing.
19:03 <Maestro> Not tomorrow actually, though, because I have a party to go to
19:12 <Avatar> yeah not tomorrow
19:18 <Maestro> Those sort of life inconsistencies may occur.
19:30 <Avatar> that's why I say in general
19:31 <Maestro> Otherwise I have a very flexible lifestyle.
19:44 <Avatar> everyone has a life despite what they say
19:48 <Maestro> Untile basically the end of September.
20:10 <Maestro> Seriously, I've spent my entire summer doing this.
20:25 <Avatar> and even still you just said not tomorrow
20:41 <Avatar> you're a textbook example
20:42 <Maestro> I troll for PFS, I smoke insane amounts of weed and I spend the entire day climbing the mountains of the Pacific NorthWest while waiting for PFS games.
21:09 <Avatar> sounds like you should be a GM
21:12 <Maestro> I can't give you a six month heads-up of my life's unplanned events :P
21:29 <Maestro> My fiancé came home and said "Hey we're going to a party tomorrow"
21:31 <Avatar> we can refresh your availability after 6 months
21:51 <Avatar> tell your fiancè to come play some sweet PFS
34:53 <Steven> yeah some sweet sweet pfs
42:29 <Mekkis> What are good 6th level enchantment spells
42:40 <Mekkis> yeah
45:00 <Avatar> I really hate enchantment
45:07 <Avatar> playing a witch makes you hate it
45:14 <Avatar> what class
45:14 <Mekkis> I need to play my really broken character for PFS once or twice
45:21 <Avatar> which one
45:22 <Mekkis> Mytiazair
45:24 <Avatar> badum ching!
45:26 <Mekkis> umm
45:31 <Mekkis> the one Steven made me make
45:34 <Avatar> what's that, wizard
45:40 <Mekkis> arcane trickster
45:49 <Avatar> is that wizard spell list
46:00 <Mekkis> I just realised that he knows seven level 6 spells, but none of them fit in his enchantment-only slot
46:01 <Mekkis> yeah
46:35 <Avatar> surely you'd appreciate a good suggestion
46:42 <Avatar> mass suggestion
58:20 <Mekkis> hmmm
58:24 <Mekkis> !spell mass suggestion
58:27 <diebot> Mekkis, SUGGESTION enchantment (compulsion[language-dependent, mind-affecting]) bard 2, sorcerer/wizard 3, witch 3 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one living creature Comp: V, M (a snake's tongue and a honeycomb) Duration: 1 hour/level or until completed Save: Will negates SR:yes
58:27 <diebot> You influence the actions of the target creature by suggesting a course of activity (limited to a sentence or two). The suggestion must be worded in such a manner as to make the activity sound reasonable. Asking the creature to do some obviously harmful act automatically negates the effect of the spell. The suggested course of activity can continue
58:27 <diebot> for the entire duration. If the suggested activity can be completed in a shorter time, the spell ends when the subject finishes what it was asked to do. You can instead specify conditions that will trigger a special activity during the duration. If the condition is not met before the spell duration expires, the activity is not performed. A very
58:27 <diebot> reasonable suggestion causes the save to be made with a penalty (such as -1 or -2).
04:01 <Avatar> !spell suggestion, mass
04:02 <diebot> Avatar, SUGGESTION, MASS enchantment (compulsion[language-dependent, mind-affecting]) bard 5, sorcerer/wizard 6, witch 6 1 standard action Range: medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level) one creature/level, no two of which can be more than 30 ft. apart Comp: V, M (a snake's tongue and a honeycomb) Duration: 1 hour/level or until completed Save: Will
04:02 <diebot> negates SR:yes
04:02 <diebot> This spell functions like suggestion, except that it can affect more creatures. The same suggestion applies to all these creatures.
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32:33 <Mekkis> looks good
33:10 <CWheezy> suggestion is an extremely good spell btw
52:08 <CWheezy> any pick up games today?
53:21 <Avatar> mekkis was offering one earlier
53:35 <Avatar> what levels do you have CWheezy
53:46 <CWheezy> 1-9
53:59 <CWheezy> 1 1 2 3 4 6 6 9
54:28 <Avatar> do you GM?
54:43 <CWheezy> yeah locally
54:49 <Avatar> why not online
55:00 <CWheezy> I would rather play
55:08 <Avatar> yeah so would I
55:09 <CWheezy> locally I do it because there is no one else
55:34 <Avatar> I'll come GM locally and you GM a bit online
55:37 <CWheezy> if online the answer is I wont be able to play, then I am ok not playing online
55:49 <CWheezy> oh yeah, where do you live
55:53 <Avatar> australia
56:01 <Avatar> course you can play
56:25 <CWheezy> oh
56:26 <CWheezy> ok
56:29 <Avatar> I'll schedule a game once I find out longshot's availability again
56:46 <Avatar> most likely saturday morning UTC+10
56:56 <Avatar> friday night for you americano
56:56 <Avatar> s
58:10 <Steven> tonight i got to hit 7 demons with Waves of Ecstasy
58:19 <Steven> all but one of them failed.
58:25 <CWheezy> you are only about 13000 kilometers away from me avatar!
58:44 <CWheezy> I will book your flight for you
58:46 <Steven> and so my party murdered them while they were stunned.
58:56 <Avatar> what is waves of ecstasy
58:57 <CWheezy> yeah wizards get good spells
59:04 <CWheezy> save or die
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59:13 <Avatar> sounds like a level 9 spell
59:14 <Steven> 30ft cone
59:15 <CWheezy> big aoe of save or be stunned
59:20 <CWheezy> level 7 I think
59:27 <Steven> if you fail you are stunned for a round then staggard for duration
59:39 <CWheezy> at that level, that might as well be dead
59:50 <Steven> if you succeed you are staggered for a round then act normally
00:15 <CWheezy> although by the name, you would think that you would enjoy the effects more
01:02 <Steven> its a nice AOE cause even if you hit innocents it doesnt do any damage.
02:06 <Steven> it doesnt hurt that i can do this even when threatened because theres no way i can fail my concentration check
02:51 <Steven> unless they have disruption.... then i cant roll a 3 or less
05:31 <Avatar> sounds like you have a munchkin character
06:08 <CWheezy> nope, just a wizard
06:15 <CWheezy> I think
06:28 <Avatar> <Steven> it doesnt hurt that i can do this even when threatened because theres no way i can fail my concentration check
06:31 <Avatar> cmon
06:36 <CWheezy> yes
06:41 <CWheezy> concentration checks do not scale
06:43 <CWheezy> with int bonus
06:53 <CWheezy> er
07:00 <CWheezy> they don't get much harder as you level
07:09 <CWheezy> they stay the same difficulty
07:15 <Avatar> that doesn't matter
07:18 <Steven> +2 per level of the spell.  oh man... so difficult.
07:24 <CWheezy> ????
07:31 <CWheezy> so what, he has a bunch of int, and comabt casting
07:34 <CWheezy> how is that munchkin
07:40 <Avatar> is that it
07:47 <CWheezy> what else would it be
07:54 <Avatar> I don't know, anything else that adds to it
07:55 <Steven> no combat casting, im level 16
08:02 <CWheezy> yeah, level 16
08:12 <CWheezy> bonus from his stat is probably like, +8 by then
08:17 <CWheezy> +8 or +10
08:42 <CWheezy> tough to fail a concentration check
09:01 <Steven> oh, my friend melissa has a new max damage she got tonight
09:06 <CWheezy> it is why disuptive is a sad feat
09:26 <CWheezy> you think that +4 would be really good, but actually it for most of the spells the wizard will cast there is no chance of failure still
09:28 <Steven> she did 686 damage
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45:36 <Maestro> Hello, folks
45:41 <Ballig> sup
45:51 <Maestro> NM
45:58 <Maestro> About to go grain the horses so I'll be AFK
46:07 <Maestro> I just wanted to lurk and linger and see what the other players are up to.
52:57 <Mekkis> moin moin
53:05 <Mekkis> how is work treating you Ballig?
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15:18 <poundpuppy30> fs2 starting up https://app.roll20.net/editor/
17:19 <Maestro> First Steps 2?
17:19 <poundpuppy30> steven!!! come play fs2
17:22 <Maestro> I just played that last night x-x
17:33 <poundpuppy30> so make a new person and play it again
17:35 <poundpuppy30> lol
17:40 <Maestro> x=x
17:43 <Maestro> I might. Which is sad.
17:50 <poundpuppy30> steven?
17:54 <Maestro> Because that scenario pissed me off hugely last night x-
18:25 <Maestro> BTW that's not a proper link
18:30 <Maestro> Or maybe it is
18:50 <Maestro> Nope.
19:18 <Maestro> What I mean to say is, it doesn't lead to a specific table
19:30 <poundpuppy30> https://app.roll20.net/join/158147/OFScCA
19:34 <poundpuppy30> try that
19:41 <Maestro> Yup
20:02 <Yiroep> :p
20:16 <Maestro> I'm assuming I'm allowed to join, then :P
22:20 <Wrothmonk> bleh, I'd prefer to do pt 3 if you can manage that
22:27 <Wrothmonk> pt 2 is shit
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55:09 <Steven> suuuuuup
55:21 <Steven> people said my name.
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36:55 <Maestro> You there Steven?
37:03 <Steven> yup
40:45 <Maestro> They were calling you because they were throwing up FS II again
40:53 <Maestro> And wanted to know if you were in.
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17:09 <Mr_Malikowski> hello?
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24:07 <HTT-Bird> o/ Wrothmonk and Goya
24:16 <Wrothmonk> Hello
24:22 <HTT-Bird> how's it going?
24:27 <Wrothmonk> good
24:37 <HTT-Bird> ah.  not too bad over here
24:40 <Wrothmonk> wishing I got more money from FS so I could acrtually upgrade my armor.
25:37 <Goya> o/
25:44 <HTT-Bird> FS?
25:50 <Wrothmonk> first steps
25:55 <HTT-Bird> ah.
26:18 <Wrothmonk> its not that I dont have the money to purchase the armor, its just that I need to get muleback cords to be able to carry the stuff.
26:30 <HTT-Bird> that reminds me that my Eve main needs to go space truckin' tomorrow mornin'
27:37 <Goya> Heh
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48:03 <Maestro> Back
48:12 <Maestro> Was cleaning up dishes after pizza
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09:01 <HTT-Bird> apparently there's yet another moon orbiting Neptune :P
19:27 <HTT-Bird> Goya, yep.  gotta cash in the ancient artifacts he's been hoarding ;)
19:51 <HTT-Bird> then buy a ship I think, albeit just a cheap one ;)
22:10 <Maestro> Didn't they start naming the moons of Pluto?
22:35 <HTT-Bird> Maestro, yes, they did
23:00 <Maestro> So what's everyone up to?
23:02 <HTT-Bird> be glad that you can at least pronounce all the names around our cosmic back yard
23:18 <HTT-Bird> not much, really, listening to some electronica (SaucyMiso's show on Eve-Radio)
24:00 <HTT-Bird> Maestro, did you ever get my reference to the Postcard from Poitot btw?
24:26 <Maestro> I seem to be missing entirely what it is you're trying to communicate to me x-x
25:14 <HTT-Bird> oh.  it was in response to your line about the GM  sending my (still at the concept stage) halfling werewolf paladin out to outer space on a Spelljammer that runs only on the magic of dinosaurs
26:14 <Maestro> …send me a postcard.
26:16 <Maestro> With goats on it.
26:18 <Maestro> ^_^"
26:27 <Maestro> I missed it the first time.
27:10 <HTT-Bird> haha
27:26 <Maestro> Either that or I DID miss it and I'm mis-associating an Agatha Christie reference.
27:45 <HTT-Bird> you did miss it.  its an Eve Online reference to an ingame commemorative item
28:44 <HTT-Bird> as to why you'd want to send a postcard from there? it's the only named system in Syndicate (everything else in that region gets gobbledygook for names by comparison...)
29:18 <HTT-Bird> http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Syndicate/Poitot
29:47 <Maestro> ^_^
29:56 <Maestro> I haven't played EVE since before my last deployment.
30:29 <Maestro> So it's been a couple of years.
30:33 <HTT-Bird> ah.
34:11 <Goya> I'm a little late - but I think Poitot is *probably* a nod to Agatha Christie.. 
35:40 <HTT-Bird> could be, Syndicate's a rather shady place after all ;)
36:15 <HTT-Bird> plenty of blood spilled there too, always been a hotbed of combat for as long as I've been playing Eve
36:28 <Maestro> He was referencing Eve
36:35 <Maestro> I got confused and thought he was trying to spell Poirot
36:58 <Goya> *nods* I know - I figure CCP probably meant it as a not to Poirot. 
37:02 <Maestro> Oh.
37:03 <Goya> *nod
37:04 <Maestro> That makes sense.
38:14 <Goya> I just wish CCP would stop dicking around with DUST - and get to work on WoD. 
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38:57 <HTT-Bird> yeah, from what I read about WoD in the FanFest coverage on TMDC, it seems like it's going to have a lot of promise
39:19 <Goya> Five years (or more) and we have some concept art - and not much more. DUST came out of nowhere - and gets finished spit-spot. 
39:43 <HTT-Bird> yeah, the way I see it is that DUST is sort of a stepping stone to WoD
40:16 <Goya> I hope not.. Dust kinda sucks... =/  MY opinion.  I thought the Incarna bit was a stepping stone - but that didn't go very far... 
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40:34 <Goya> Backlash sorta doomed Incarna though. 
41:24 <HTT-Bird> o/ Yuugi 
41:34 <Goya> o/
41:40 <HTT-Bird> Goya, yeah.  a lot of the problem is that Eve has a lot of nasty spots that still need fixing
41:48 <HTT-Bird> POSes, corp roles (and corp mgmt in general)
41:52 <Goya> Like - combat. =P 
41:52 <HTT-Bird> sov
42:07 <HTT-Bird> how so? not active enough, or too active?
42:38 <Goya> Not active enough.  Mind you - you can get a complex 'build' - but for a standard cruiser - it's less engaging than WoW. 
43:29 <Goya> If you have the skill ranks and the ship (time and PLEX) - you will *almost* always win. 
43:31 <HTT-Bird> Goya, ah.  you'd probably be best off working with frig/AF/inty stuff then
43:45 <HTT-Bird> that's where it really gets twitchier/more active
44:06 <HTT-Bird> the general rule is that the bigger it is, the more it starts becoming like a chesspiece
44:07 <Yuugi> Hita
44:08 <Goya> True. I prefer the Drake/Tengu. Probably the most OP cruisers out there. 
44:09 <Yuugi> Er
44:11 <Yuugi> Hiya
44:19 <Goya> Cheers
44:24 <HTT-Bird> Goya, haha.  Drake got a bit of a nerfbat to the teeth lately
44:30 <Goya> Doh.. 
44:41 <HTT-Bird> actually, it was heavy missiles that took the brunt of it
44:57 <Goya> About time.  A cheap cruiser shouldn't be able to fight anoms THAT well.. 
45:22 <HTT-Bird> yeah, HMLs had traits of both long-range and short-range weapon systems
45:56 <HTT-Bird> and now they're a pure LR system
45:58 <HTT-Bird> more or less
46:05 <HTT-Bird> with HAMs filling the SR gap
46:09 <Goya> Indeed. And shields on Drake were superior to armor tanking (for anoms and whatnot at least). 
46:44 <HTT-Bird> only reason I fly a Drake for PvE is because neither active shields nor active armor are completely suitable for WH grav/ladar PvE
47:09 <HTT-Bird> (being a W-spacer, we use a totally different setup for the anoms themselves)
47:30 <Goya> *nods* I spent most of my time in a WH myself. 
47:39 <Maestro> I'm back
47:43 <Goya> wb'
47:50 <Maestro> Sorry, was having a conversation IRL, which is a weird thing nowadays
48:23 <HTT-Bird> Goya, what class?
48:46 * HTT-Bird is in a C2 with HS and C4 statics, but we rely on our static C4 for most of our PvE needs
49:36 <HTT-Bird> the best 'haha' moment I saw btw was when I was in a C5 downchain gassing in a Venture with a corpmate, and saw a Drake on scan, probing around with cores
49:47 <HTT-Bird> then, we saw a Caldari Battlecruiser wreck
49:56 <HTT-Bird> ...silly fool warped his Drake into a C5 radar site
50:13 <Goya> We were usually C2. We tried to escalate - but that didn't work out so well..  Corp kinda fell apart after that fiasco.. 
50:54 <HTT-Bird> Goya, what statics?
50:57 <Goya> Heh.  I kinda miss the scouting/scanning. 
50:58 <HTT-Bird> or did you stick to diving?
51:19 <Goya> I just puttered around.  I wasn't concerned with any of the stats or whatnot - so I can't say off-hand.. 
51:23 <HTT-Bird> ah.
51:46 <Goya> I did whatever needed to be done - scanning, mining, etc.
51:57 <HTT-Bird> ah.
52:00 <HTT-Bird> http://evewho.com/pilot/Tarunik+Raqalth%27Qui <-- my main
53:22 <Goya> There's nothing here for my character - but - here he was/is: http://evewho.com/pilot/Goya+DelNoche
56:05 <HTT-Bird> heheheh.  seems like you were a pretty purebred bear
56:32 <Goya> *nods* Indeed. Looks like you're a darn good pilot. ;) 
57:58 <HTT-Bird> yeah, part of that's who I fly with.  KAIRS/N0MEX are a very cerebral bunch occupying a rather unusual niche (aggressive, opportunistic PvP in low class WHs)
58:24 <Goya> They're like the russians. ;) 
58:30 <HTT-Bird> haha
58:54 <Goya> Russian corp evicted us from WH space at one point (with extreme prejudice). 
59:05 <HTT-Bird> ah.
59:14 * HTT-Bird has been on both the offensive and defensive side of that stuff
59:31 <Goya> All part of the game - and what makes it fun. 
01:08 <HTT-Bird> yeah
02:11 <HTT-Bird> being part of history in one's own little way...is interesting in its own right ;)
02:37 <HTT-Bird> http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=17075557
09:29 <Maestro> Sorry I was reading… something.
09:35 <Maestro> Did I miss ANYTHING related to Pathfinder?
09:46 <Maestro> Because… that is the addiction that I come here to feed.
10:43 <Yuugi> I might run a PF game...
11:12 <Goya> Doh.. A bit late for me. =( 
11:26 <Goya> I did have a PF question though.. 
13:23 <Maestro> Yuugi: Consider me available.
13:29 <Goya> Looking for a ranged (non-zen archer or ranger archer). Would I be better off with Cleric and channel smite + guided hand (WIS) bonus to start (and drop DEX) - or go for Inquisitor WITH DEX?  Gunslinger looks too expensive.. 
13:53 <Maestro> Interesting question.
14:04 <Maestro> Gunslinger isn't as expensive as you'd believe if you take full advantage of his abilities.
14:06 <Yuugi> Maestro: I'm a little strict with my games though.
14:16 <Goya> I missed the FS2 game earlier by about 20min. *sniffs* 
14:19 <Maestro> Your Day Job roll could eventually come to pay for all ammunition used.
14:26 <Goya> Hrm... 
14:39 <Maestro> Yuugi: I'm not even sure what you mean by that.
15:02 <Maestro> Also, it only costs 300gp to turn your weapon into a masterwork weapon.
15:12 <Goya> True.. 
15:24 <Maestro> With Craft(Alchemy) all ammunition is at 10% cost
15:40 <Maestro> Gunslingers, I believe, are the only ones with this special discount.
15:43 <Yuugi> Maestro: I'll probably do stuff that isn't popular, like limit rulebooks and stuff.
15:52 <Maestro> Although I think Alchemists gets something with alchemy...
16:05 <Maestro> Yuugi: I'm sorry, I thought we were discussing Pathfinder Society play
16:06 <Goya> Hrm.. Maybe Pistolero then.. 
16:20 <Yuugi> There /is/ Pathfinder beyond the PFS
16:38 <Yuugi> Of course, I could also run PFS (although I only have Season 0)
16:48 <Goya> True. But PFS lends itself well to short 'sessions'. 
17:51 <HTT-Bird> yeah, you need *something*  to serve as an inter-session framework in D&D/PF/...
17:53 <HTT-Bird> it seems
17:54 <Maestro> I stick to PFS because it's the most consistent way to get sessions actually going.
18:01 <Goya> I'd love to play a long (non-PFS) RotRL campaign or something. BUT - I tend to have a fairly small 'window of opportunity' (between work, family, et al). 
18:09 <HTT-Bird> whether it be something like PFS, or a MUDish, or w/e
18:12 <HTT-Bird> Goya, RotRL?
18:30 <Maestro> Are there any really good MUDs still going?
18:31 <Goya> Rise of the Runelords (Sorry - RotR I guess). 
18:38 <Maestro> I guess Google could tell me that.
18:39 <Goya> Or Carrion Crown, etc. 
18:40 <Yuugi> . . . you misunderstand, I didn't mean a campaign. There /are/ modules. They are longer than PFS scenarios, but they aren't as long as campaigns.
18:53 <Goya> *nods* 
19:19 <Maestro> (Personally I am glad you spelled it out instead of using the abbreviations. With the explosion of gaming culture I can't keep up with all the acronyms)
19:30 <Yuugi> lol
19:55 <Goya> MUDD: http://armageddon.org/   Looks promising.  Too timid to play though.  HEAVY RP - permadeth, etc. Looks intersting though. 
20:40 <HTT-Bird> Maestro, haha.  
22:41 <HTT-Bird> my concern is 1) MUD mechanics can be clunky, or at least that's what I've been told
23:06 <HTT-Bird> 2) in open-ended RP, I tend to be stubborn enough to tee off other players
23:16 <Goya> Hehe. 
23:58 <HTT-Bird> its basically that I don't give ground OOCly when playing a char that's supposed to be strong ICly
24:46 <Goya> Hehe. That's part of HC RP MUDDs though. =) 
24:48 <HTT-Bird> so people wind up interpreting that as godmodding-type behavior, whereas I see it as "wait a minute here, are you even trying to convince me that your char should be winning the battle?"
25:07 <Maestro> I'm the worst tabletop player for one solid, awful reason.
25:12 <Maestro> I LOVE fully IC characters
25:22 <Maestro> And I WISH I could do it myself.
25:33 <Maestro> But it feels like skinny dipping and I'm always waiting for everyone else to go first.
25:40 <HTT-Bird> Maestro, me too.  D&D's tendency to front-load optimization is :/
25:50 <Maestro> I think that's what kills it for me.
26:12 <Maestro> The optimize-or-die mentality ruins the feel for roleplay
26:31 <Goya> I make characters with low CHA so I don't need to fully RP. ;) 
26:48 <Maestro> Rather than worrying what my character would be thinking I'm like "OH CHRIST I ONLY HAVE ONE ACTION NEXT TURN TO BE USEFUL"
26:58 <HTT-Bird> you can have optimization in a roleplay/immersion-heavy environment, but that optimization needs to be in and of itself IC
27:14 <Yuugi> I must be the weird guy
27:16 <Goya> My zen archer has a (voluntary) vow of silence. =P 
27:19 <Yuugi> Because I prefer less heavy RP
27:42 <HTT-Bird> one of the running RPs I've had going in Eve actually centers around the study (training) plans for an alt of mine
27:55 <Maestro> I think if the evening condenses down into nothing but a bunch of calculated rolls then you've kinda made the magic go away :P
28:10 <Maestro> When I mean heavy RP I don't mean wasting time with distractions.
28:15 <Yuugi> . . . if you just want to roll dice you can play Yahtzee.
28:17 <Maestro> Pursue the goal.
28:23 <Yuugi> Oh
28:26 <Maestro> There's probably an urgent reason to complete the mission anyway
28:28 <Yuugi> I guess so
28:52 <Maestro> If anything it's NOT "in character" to waste time roleplaying at the tavern when you just got a letter asking to be met immediately in the next town over.
28:57 <HTT-Bird> yeah
29:04 <Maestro> FACTION QUESTS
29:07 <Maestro> X_X
29:10 <Yuugi> eh
29:13 <Maestro> lol
29:17 <Yuugi> Faction Quests are kind of...
29:24 <Yuugi> I personally don't really like them. :(
30:10 <Maestro> I hope I haven't made an ass of myself ^_^"
30:25 <Yuugi> Naw, it's okay.
30:54 <Yuugi> I just don't like the PFS Factions. I understand their use, but I don't like them.
31:21 <HTT-Bird> yeah, I'm not that hot on the idea either
31:30 <HTT-Bird> it boils down the politics...too simply for my taste
31:35 <Yuugi> The only faction that ever made sense to me was the Grade Lodge.
31:43 <Yuugi> Because, it's basically the Pathfinder Society.
31:54 <Yuugi> The rest of them are all... decidedly not
32:05 <Yuugi> AND it creates inter-party political drama too.
32:29 <Goya> Which could be the whole point.
32:37 <Yuugi> Of what?
32:51 <Goya> inter-party drama (faction missions).  
32:56 <Yuugi> >_>
33:01 <Goya> makes it awkward among strangers though. 
33:19 <Yuugi> Yeah, I think it just creates distractions from the missions. For no real good reason.
35:12 * HTT-Bird finds that trying to impart a nuanced/detailed political view to fantasy chars may not be the best idea, perhaps
35:35 <Yuugi> Actually, it works very well in other games. Such as L5R
35:54 <Yuugi> With each Clan being it's own political faction.
36:35 <HTT-Bird> I mean, as in chars trying to get IC legal-scholar-y
36:58 <Yuugi> Oh, eh.
37:05 <HTT-Bird> can easily wind up so far past what the lore defines that you find yourself in no-mans-land wishing for a chance to argue in front of a judge
38:47 <Yuugi> I've been reading a bunch of modules lately, and in my mind's eye D&D/Pathfinder works best with a smaller worldview.
38:53 <HTT-Bird> Yuugi, yep
39:04 <HTT-Bird> we're running into economics problems in our MUD/1e combo
39:14 <HTT-Bird> where the D&D 'wish economy' starts to break down
39:27 <Yuugi> "Kill the monsters - Steal the treasure - Stab your buddies"
39:45 <HTT-Bird> haha
39:46 <Yuugi> That's all you need for a fun game of D&D
39:49 * Yuugi is serious.
40:07 <Yuugi> I also prefer it if the characters are a bunch of losers who decide to become heroes (without really knowing what it means in reality)
40:19 <Yuugi> Rather than starting off as being heroic.
41:16 <HTT-Bird> yeah, I have problems in some RP contexts with chars just becoming overpowering from an RP standpoint...i.e. they don't get fazed by much of anything, and can't be disposed of
41:24 <HTT-Bird> instead of the godmodder's invincible cockroach
41:50 <HTT-Bird> think of it like dealing with an infinitely respawning cockroach that just doesn't take 'no' for an answer
42:15 <Yuugi> I'd dislike that immensely.
42:37 <HTT-Bird> yeah, I've gotten a fair bit of vitriol thrown at me for the char in question
42:44 <Yuugi> If the game is properly balanced there shouldn't be anything like that.
43:00 <HTT-Bird> yeah, I agree.  game imbalance and story/gameplay splits don't help
43:33 <Yuugi> It doesn't have to be equally balanced, mind you, but within the game's rules I don't believe it's possible to become invincible.
44:34 <HTT-Bird> what can happen though is that even though your char isn't invincible (mechanically or otherwise), you can raise the work factor high enough for attackers that they won't bother
44:56 <Yuugi> What do you mean?
45:11 <HTT-Bird> defense in depth, for one
45:20 <Maestro> Make yourself a more inconvenient target than the next guy in your party
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45:32 <HTT-Bird> yeah, p. much
45:34 <poorman1112> ddddddddddd n ddddddd
45:36 <poorman1112> dynamiteeeeeeeeeeeee
45:39 <poorman1112> y d n ddddddddddd
45:42 <Maestro> The easiest way to do this is with concealment.
45:45 * dicebot sets ban on poorman1112!*@*
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45:47 <Maestro> EVERYONE hates rolling percentiles.
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46:05 <HTT-Bird> erm, dicebot?
46:13 <Maestro> He's our mathematical god.
46:17 <Maestro> At least I think it's a he...
46:19 <HTT-Bird> no, I mean, him quitting
46:26 <Maestro> Oh yeah.
46:29 <Maestro> That part was weird.
46:42 <HTT-Bird> did the spammer drag dicebot down with him? :/
46:59 <HTT-Bird> but yeah, concealment is just one way that that principle can be applied
47:02 <Maestro> Strange.
47:07 <Yuugi> . . .
47:09 <Maestro> !throw 1
47:12 <Maestro> Yup, he's gone
47:16 <Yuugi> I actually have a strange love affair with d10s
47:16 <Maestro> !roll 1
47:27 <Maestro> d10s?
47:31 <Yuugi> Which is why I want to try out Ars Magica one day.
47:33 <Maestro> Is it… is it the shape that turns you on?
47:35 <HTT-Bird> 2 d10s = percentile roll
47:36 <Yuugi> d% = d10
47:39 <Yuugi> Yes
47:50 <Yuugi> One d10 is the tens digit, and the other is the ones digit.
47:53 <Maestro> OH, right.
47:55 <HTT-Bird> (unless you're in a VTT, which will handle 1d100 automagically)
47:56 * Maestro shoots himself.
48:00 <Yuugi> :P
48:22 * Yuugi shrugs.
48:36 <Yuugi> I don't really see how it works anyway... you guys confuse me.
49:00 <Yuugi> Why would an enemy suddenly not want to attack a concealed person just because the GM might not like d10s?
49:05 <Yuugi> That sounds like sloppy GMing.
49:07 <HTT-Bird> a really good example of the 'defense in depth'/'work factor' thing would be someone who wanted to try kicking Tarunik out of his home?
49:22 <Maestro> I was just throwing it out there that concealment is a little nuisance that makes it just that much more inconvenient for someone to target YOU specifically.
49:29 <HTT-Bird> *.
49:35 <Yuugi> True
50:00 <HTT-Bird> because...that'd be a *holy macaroni!* level of work to go through to carry out a personal vendetta
50:17 <Yuugi> >_>
50:25 <HTT-Bird> and something that I doubt any RPer, even in a setting as hardcore as Eve, would want to go through
50:40 * Yuugi rubs his forehead.
50:51 <HTT-Bird> (not that non-RPers would want to do it either.  grinding 30 towers with subcaps?  that's going to make your head fall off man)
51:07 <Maestro> Yuugi: Because everyone values their precious actions and their rolls.
51:14 <Yuugi> I don't really think I'd consider them players then. >_>
51:16 <Maestro> And everybody hates wasting an attack.
51:37 <HTT-Bird> Maestro, yeah, it becomes a time/effort sink
51:40 <Yuugi> Well, yeah, rolling badly on attacks sucks for everyone, but that's why dice are used.
51:49 <Maestro> We're not discussing the more beautiful side of roleplaying, that's the down-and-dirty tactics Pathfinder breeds in player.s
51:50 <Yuugi> For the "fairness" that randomness brings.
52:19 <HTT-Bird> kind of like the orc whacking the guy with the field plate vs the squishy mage standing next to him
52:21 <Maestro> I'm not sure you're seeing my point.
52:51 <HTT-Bird> Yuugi, yeah...the idea is that the enemy is spending time trying to do something not-terribly-productive, instead of doing something productive
52:57 <HTT-Bird> you're driving up their opportunity costs
53:09 <Yuugi> HTT-Bird: How does that Orc know who is the fighter and who is the mage?
53:29 <Yuugi> I mean, the armor is a slight giveaway, but before combat he could just as easily be a monk or something.
54:24 <Yuugi> Especially if the Orc has an Int of 9 or something.
54:29 <HTT-Bird> :P
54:47 <HTT-Bird> my last example wasn't the greatest, but the point holds
54:52 <Maestro> Let's say Goblin A is being attacked by Fighter and Wizard. Wizard is in melee because he just finished shocking the hell out of Goblin, so goblin wants to take a bite out of him. Then Wizard casts Blink on himself the next turn. Sure, Goblin still wants to bite the hell out of that Wizard, but that Fighter is right there, and that Goblin is still being controlled by the Human GM, and the Human GM, subconsciously, does not want to have to dig out
54:52 <Maestro> another macro or change his habits, and is more likely to just go after the Fighter, who is right there.
54:55 <Yuugi> Playing really smart tactics doesn't seem to be "in-character" for this example, yeah.
56:20 <Yuugi> See, I'd simply ask "Is the Fighter fighting something else?" > If yes, then the Goblin will go hunting for the Wizard. BECAUSE SCREW THAT. > If no, then the Goblin will most likely engage the Fighter because he doesn't want a tank on his ass if he's searching for the Wizard.
56:36 <Yuugi> Also probably would take into account the creature's ability scores, again.
56:42 <Maestro> That's all we were saying. 
56:58 <Maestro> It wasn't really a matter of roleplaying, just how people can think creatively to adjust their AC without worrying about just the score.
57:07 <Yuugi> Yeah, and it just sounds like a matter of lazy or bad GMing to me.
57:13 <Maestro> i.e. not being aimed at is even better than not being hit.
57:35 <Yuugi> Maestro: Best defense against attack is to not be there?
57:42 <HTT-Bird> Yuugi, exactly
57:47 * Yuugi shrugs.
57:54 <Maestro> Or, rather, to have someone else be more convenient :P
57:57 <HTT-Bird> yeah
58:08 <Yuugi> See, this "convenience" thing I don't think I understand. Oh well.
58:12 <Maestro> It's along the lines of, "I don't have to out-run the bear, I just have to out-run you!"
58:20 <HTT-Bird> make it so the potential attacker goes 'screw this, I'm going to go find someone else to pick on'
58:29 <Maestro> Exactly
58:35 <Yuugi> It makes it sound like a video game where the AI tactics lock onto the closest PC...
58:39 <Maestro> Getting hit is what Barbarians are for.
58:44 <Yuugi> It's just silly.
58:52 <Yuugi> Nobody really fights like that.
58:56 <Maestro> You'd be surprised how much humans will mimic those tactics without realizing.
59:02 <Maestro> All people have behavior patterns.
59:06 <Yuugi> "Oh, the Wizard moved 2 squares away and the Fighter is beside me now"
59:08 <HTT-Bird> Maestro, exactly.
59:10 <Yuugi> "ATTACK THE FIGHTER"
59:12 <Yuugi> hurhur
59:21 <Maestro> Yeah
59:27 <Maestro> Most people will make that decision.
59:35 <Yuugi> Well, I guess I'm not most people?
59:44 <Maestro> Because now the option is A: Attack the Fighter or B: Pursue the Mage, get attacked by the fighter with his AoO
59:50 <Maestro> Just like with concealment.
59:56 <Maestro> A: Attack the fighter and maybe hit him.
00:10 <HTT-Bird> B: chase the mage, get stabbed in the arse by the fighter
00:15 <Maestro> B: Attack the Mage and maybe hit him, but also roll again, because now you have 2 chances to miss him.
00:23 <Yuugi> You all assume that the fighter is going to hit.
00:30 <Yuugi> Again, it's a roll that can also fail
00:35 <Maestro> We're not assuming he'll hit.
00:39 <Yuugi> Yes you are.
00:40 <Maestro> We're assuming it's better that he never tried.
00:46 <Yuugi> You're assuming teh AoO of the Fighter
00:49 <Yuugi> will hit the goblin
00:49 <HTT-Bird> Yuugi, even if he doesn't land the AoO, its something else that can go wrong for the goblin
00:50 <Maestro> OH.
00:55 <Maestro> We're not assuming the fighter will hit.
00:59 <HTT-Bird> so...why take the risk?
01:00 <Yuugi> Hm...
01:02 <Maestro> We're saying that it calculates into most people's decisions.
01:11 <Yuugi> Well, for me, it makes things more interesting.
01:15 <Maestro> MOST people think about that before deciding whether to chase the mage
01:15 <HTT-Bird> yeah.
01:44 <Maestro> Otherwise it's just lazy GMing
01:48 <Maestro> :P
01:51 <HTT-Bird> I'd be like "jump the mage, make the fighter come over to the mage, then jump the fighter" ;)
02:03 <HTT-Bird> but that's me drawing parallels to Eve
02:24 <HTT-Bird> grab the squishy valuable target and use it to bait the enemy fighters over to you
02:32 <Maestro> brb
02:33 <HTT-Bird> then drop the hammer on their entire war band
02:37 <Yuugi> lol
03:37 <HTT-Bird> "I'M TACKLED, HELP ME!" "I'll SAVE YOU!!!!" "PLEASE!"...."OH SH** WE'RE ALL DOOMED!!!!"
04:09 <HTT-Bird> if you don't mind me telling an Eve story, I can give an example of that that happened recently
04:32 <Yuugi> I suppose I'm just a little bit different. And go ahead.
05:21 <Yuugi> Eve is that MMO right?
05:32 <HTT-Bird> yeah, internet spaceships are srs bsns ;)
05:42 <HTT-Bird> but yeah.  a few days back, I was on my main, scouting
06:15 <HTT-Bird> started off with the 'next door neighbors' so to speak and was heading down from there, when we noticed they were trying to slip a hauler out through their main (static) exit
06:43 <HTT-Bird> we decided to let the hauler and his scouting buddy pass, they had 1 other friend sitting at their base, just chillin' you know?
07:10 <HTT-Bird> what we then did is stuck a couple of ships on their main exit, and me on the other side, and waited for the hauler to come back.
07:57 <HTT-Bird> caught the hauler and his scout on entry with our initial party (1 damage dealer, 1 crowd control, and me as a 'picket' on the other side)
08:11 <HTT-Bird> but we also had 2 other damage dealers formed up and waiting in our home system
08:42 <HTT-Bird> so when the hauler's buddy came over to try to deal with the little blockade we had going, we just dropped the other two damage dealers in and wiped his rump across the floor
11:59 <HTT-Bird> got it all Yuugi?
12:13 <Yuugi> Yeah, cool story?
12:17 <Steven> !throw 14d6
12:18 <diebot> Steven, 14d6: [14d6=3,6,5,5,3,5,5,3,6,1,4,5,4,3] 58
12:21 <Yuugi> It sounds like you taught that guy a lesson
12:33 <HTT-Bird> yeah, we had him quaking in his boots for the rest of the day
16:23 <Maestro> !throw 4d6+16+4d6
16:24 <diebot> Maestro, 4d6+16+4d6: [4d6=1,4,3,6; 4d6=1,5,4,4] 44
17:30 <Yuugi> !throw 2d10
17:31 <diebot> Yuugi, 2d10: [2d10=5,2] 7
17:40 <Yuugi> 52! is the correct answer.
20:59 <HTT-Bird> !throw (4d6+3)*4d6
21:15 <HTT-Bird> !throw (4d6+3)*(4d6)
21:21 <HTT-Bird> *blinks*
22:00 <Yuugi> !throw 4d6x4d6
22:01 <diebot> Yuugi, 4d6x4d6: [4d6=4,2,6,6; 4d6=5,1,2,4] 30
22:07 <Yuugi> Gotta use an "x"
22:27 <HTT-Bird> !throw (4d6+3)x(4d6)
22:40 <HTT-Bird> !throw (4d6+3)x4d6
22:45 <HTT-Bird> !throw 4d6+3x4d6
22:46 <diebot> HTT-Bird, 4d6+3x4d6: [4d6=2,2,1,3; 4d6=4,6,5,6] 32
22:53 <Yuugi> hm
22:58 <HTT-Bird> !throw (4d6+3)x3
23:05 <HTT-Bird> apparently diebot can't handle ()
23:42 <HTT-Bird> which is unfortunate, because then you have to distribute out the modifiers on critted modified weapons, which is annoying
23:48 <HTT-Bird> but o/ all
27:36 <Yuugi> byes
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28:17 * Maestro goes AFK to cook dinner
31:19 * Maestro is making orange chicken stir fry
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49:44 <Steven> !throw 14d6
49:44 <diebot> Steven, 14d6: [14d6=2,5,4,3,5,5,4,3,3,1,3,3,2,5] 48
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59:42 <Steven> yo
59:56 <Steven> before anyone says anything, i will absolutely not be playing tonight
00:55 <Yuugi> Was there a game tonight?
01:54 <Steven> the last couple of nights i've been roped into extra games, im way to tired to play righ tnow.
02:30 <Maestro> lol
02:36 <Maestro> WE'RE DOING FIRST STEPS 3
02:50 <Steven> fuck that, no im not.
02:55 <Maestro> STEVEN
02:58 <Steven> i'm gonna watch a movie and go to sleep
03:00 <Maestro> WE'RE DOING RISE OF THE RUNELORDS
03:06 <Maestro> O.O all of it O.O
03:08 * Steven shrugs
03:15 <Yuugi> lolwut
03:19 <Yuugi> All in one night?
03:20 <Steven> I'm already GMing a campaign f that
03:20 <Maestro> Thanks for playing with us lately, Steven ^_^
03:24 <Yuugi> IMPOSSIBIRU
03:39 <Yuugi> Also
03:51 <Yuugi> I think I may be the only one in the world who has the view on RPGs that I do.
03:55 <Yuugi> It's so lonely :(
04:17 <Steven> would you like to see my 'care face'?
05:08 <Steven> see now he is debating on if im being a smart ass or not.
06:07 <Yuugi> Actually, I'm debating if you're secretly a Care Bear and you were offering to give me a Care Bear Stare.
21:25 <Steven> my burrito was delicious
21:32 <Steven> now... time to find something to watch.
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37:58 <Steven> so hows everyone doin tonight anyways?
57:39 <Maestro> Mostly happy faces.
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19:26 <Maestro> Damn internet
20:57 <Steven> yo
44:21 <Maestro> Yo
47:01 <Avatar> sup
47:52 <Avatar> what did longshot say his availability is like
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05:10 <Brunius> How do you get on 60 minutes
05:12 <Brunius> or Today Tonight
05:14 <Brunius> or whatever it is
06:50 <Avatar> start drama
07:21 <Mekkis> who wants a game tonight?
08:34 <Avatar> pass
12:09 <Maestro> Interested.
14:05 <Avatar> maestro what's your availability
14:14 <Maestro> Define?
14:20 <Mekkis> when are you available
14:38 <Maestro> What day?
15:50 <Avatar> days/times
15:58 <Avatar> in general, not specific dates
16:14 <Maestro> Virtually completely open.
16:22 <Maestro> Until classes start in September.
16:34 <Avatar> don't you sleep
16:47 <Avatar> can we wake you
17:02 <Maestro> Yeah, I stay up for PFS
17:12 <Maestro> I'm typically an insomniac anyway
17:17 <Avatar> what about, in about 15 hours from now
17:22 <Avatar> but not actually tomorrow
17:27 <Avatar> like just that time of day
17:54 <Maestro> Typically that time of day is… 5PM. Perfect timing.
18:07 <Maestro> Not tomorrow actually, though, because I have a party to go to
18:17 <Avatar> yeah not tomorrow
18:22 <Maestro> Those sort of life inconsistencies may occur.
18:34 <Avatar> that's why I say in general
18:36 <Maestro> Otherwise I have a very flexible lifestyle.
18:49 <Avatar> everyone has a life despite what they say
18:53 <Maestro> Untile basically the end of September.
19:14 <Maestro> Seriously, I've spent my entire summer doing this.
19:29 <Avatar> and even still you just said not tomorrow
19:45 <Avatar> you're a textbook example
19:47 <Maestro> I troll for PFS, I smoke insane amounts of weed and I spend the entire day climbing the mountains of the Pacific NorthWest while waiting for PFS games.
20:13 <Avatar> sounds like you should be a GM
20:16 <Maestro> I can't give you a six month heads-up of my life's unplanned events :P
20:34 <Maestro> My fiancé came home and said "Hey we're going to a party tomorrow"
20:36 <Avatar> we can refresh your availability after 6 months
20:55 <Avatar> tell your fiancè to come play some sweet PFS
33:57 <Steven> yeah some sweet sweet pfs
41:34 <Mekkis> What are good 6th level enchantment spells
41:44 <Mekkis> yeah
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44:05 <Avatar> I really hate enchantment
44:12 <Avatar> playing a witch makes you hate it
44:19 <Mekkis> I need to play my really broken character for PFS once or twice
44:19 <Avatar> what class
44:25 <Avatar> which one
44:26 <Mekkis> Mytiazair
44:29 <Avatar> badum ching!
44:30 <Mekkis> umm
44:35 <Mekkis> the one Steven made me make
44:38 <Avatar> what's that, wizard
44:45 <Mekkis> arcane trickster
44:53 <Avatar> is that wizard spell list
45:05 <Mekkis> I just realised that he knows seven level 6 spells, but none of them fit in his enchantment-only slot
45:05 <Mekkis> yeah
45:39 <Avatar> surely you'd appreciate a good suggestion
45:46 <Avatar> mass suggestion
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57:24 <Mekkis> hmmm
57:28 <Mekkis> !spell mass suggestion
57:31 <diebot> Mekkis, SUGGESTION enchantment (compulsion[language-dependent, mind-affecting]) bard 2, sorcerer/wizard 3, witch 3 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one living creature Comp: V, M (a snake's tongue and a honeycomb) Duration: 1 hour/level or until completed Save: Will negates SR:yes
57:31 <diebot> You influence the actions of the target creature by suggesting a course of activity (limited to a sentence or two). The suggestion must be worded in such a manner as to make the activity sound reasonable. Asking the creature to do some obviously harmful act automatically negates the effect of the spell. The suggested course of activity can continue
57:31 <diebot> for the entire duration. If the suggested activity can be completed in a shorter time, the spell ends when the subject finishes what it was asked to do. You can instead specify conditions that will trigger a special activity during the duration. If the condition is not met before the spell duration expires, the activity is not performed. A very
57:31 <diebot> reasonable suggestion causes the save to be made with a penalty (such as -1 or -2).
03:06 <Avatar> !spell suggestion, mass
03:06 <diebot> Avatar, SUGGESTION, MASS enchantment (compulsion[language-dependent, mind-affecting]) bard 5, sorcerer/wizard 6, witch 6 1 standard action Range: medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level) one creature/level, no two of which can be more than 30 ft. apart Comp: V, M (a snake's tongue and a honeycomb) Duration: 1 hour/level or until completed Save: Will
03:07 <diebot> negates SR:yes
03:07 <diebot> This spell functions like suggestion, except that it can affect more creatures. The same suggestion applies to all these creatures.
31:37 <Mekkis> looks good
32:15 <CWheezy> suggestion is an extremely good spell btw
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51:13 <CWheezy> any pick up games today?
52:25 <Avatar> mekkis was offering one earlier
52:39 <Avatar> what levels do you have CWheezy
52:51 <CWheezy> 1-9
53:03 <CWheezy> 1 1 2 3 4 6 6 9
53:33 <Avatar> do you GM?
53:48 <CWheezy> yeah locally
53:54 <Avatar> why not online
54:05 <CWheezy> I would rather play
54:12 <Avatar> yeah so would I
54:14 <CWheezy> locally I do it because there is no one else
54:38 <Avatar> I'll come GM locally and you GM a bit online
54:41 <CWheezy> if online the answer is I wont be able to play, then I am ok not playing online
54:53 <CWheezy> oh yeah, where do you live
54:58 <Avatar> australia
55:06 <Avatar> course you can play
55:29 <CWheezy> oh
55:30 <CWheezy> ok
55:34 <Avatar> I'll schedule a game once I find out longshot's availability again
55:51 <Avatar> most likely saturday morning UTC+10
56:00 <Avatar> friday night for you americano
56:01 <Avatar> s
57:15 <Steven> tonight i got to hit 7 demons with Waves of Ecstasy
57:24 <Steven> all but one of them failed.
57:29 <CWheezy> you are only about 13000 kilometers away from me avatar!
57:48 <CWheezy> I will book your flight for you
57:50 <Steven> and so my party murdered them while they were stunned.
58:01 <Avatar> what is waves of ecstasy
58:01 <CWheezy> yeah wizards get good spells
58:08 <CWheezy> save or die
58:17 <Avatar> sounds like a level 9 spell
58:18 <Steven> 30ft cone
58:19 <CWheezy> big aoe of save or be stunned
58:24 <CWheezy> level 7 I think
58:32 <Steven> if you fail you are stunned for a round then staggard for duration
58:43 <CWheezy> at that level, that might as well be dead
58:54 <Steven> if you succeed you are staggered for a round then act normally
59:20 <CWheezy> although by the name, you would think that you would enjoy the effects more
00:06 <Steven> its a nice AOE cause even if you hit innocents it doesnt do any damage.
01:10 <Steven> it doesnt hurt that i can do this even when threatened because theres no way i can fail my concentration check
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01:55 <Steven> unless they have disruption.... then i cant roll a 3 or less
04:36 <Avatar> sounds like you have a munchkin character
05:13 <CWheezy> nope, just a wizard
05:20 <CWheezy> I think
05:33 <Avatar> <Steven> it doesnt hurt that i can do this even when threatened because theres no way i can fail my concentration check
05:36 <Avatar> cmon
05:41 <CWheezy> yes
05:45 <CWheezy> concentration checks do not scale
05:48 <CWheezy> with int bonus
05:58 <CWheezy> er
06:04 <CWheezy> they don't get much harder as you level
06:13 <CWheezy> they stay the same difficulty
06:19 <Avatar> that doesn't matter
06:22 <Steven> +2 per level of the spell.  oh man... so difficult.
06:28 <CWheezy> ????
06:35 <CWheezy> so what, he has a bunch of int, and comabt casting
06:38 <CWheezy> how is that munchkin
06:45 <Avatar> is that it
06:51 <CWheezy> what else would it be
06:59 <Avatar> I don't know, anything else that adds to it
06:59 <Steven> no combat casting, im level 16
07:06 <CWheezy> yeah, level 16
07:16 <CWheezy> bonus from his stat is probably like, +8 by then
07:22 <CWheezy> +8 or +10
07:47 <CWheezy> tough to fail a concentration check
08:05 <Steven> oh, my friend melissa has a new max damage she got tonight
08:11 <CWheezy> it is why disuptive is a sad feat
08:31 <CWheezy> you think that +4 would be really good, but actually it for most of the spells the wizard will cast there is no chance of failure still
08:32 <Steven> she did 686 damage
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26:42 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20
26:43 <diebot> Mekkis, 1d20: [1d20=19] 19
35:22 <Mekkis> !spell cloak of dreams
35:23 <diebot> Mekkis, CLOAK OF DREAMS enchantment (compulsion[mind-affecting]) bard 5, sorcerer/wizard 6, witch 6 1 round Range: 5 ft.  Comp: V, S, M (a rose petal and a drop of perfume) Duration: 1 round/level (D) Save: Will negates SR:yes
35:23 <diebot> You are surrounded by a soporific aroma that causes living creatures that begin their turn or end their movement within 5 feet of you to fall asleep for 1 minute. Creatures must save each time they begin their turn or end their movement within the cloak of dreams, even if they have previously saved against the effect. Sleeping creatures are
35:23 <diebot> helpless but can be awakened with a standard action or after being wounded. Creatures with the scent special quality have a -4 penalty on their saves.
35:26 <Mekkis> die, bot
35:33 <Mekkis> Die, bot
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35:49 <Mekkis> !spell cloak of dreams
35:50 <diebot> Mekkis, CLOAK OF DREAMS enchantment (compulsion[mind-affecting]) bard 5, sorcerer/wizard 6, witch 6 1 round Range: 5 ft.  Comp: V, S, M (a rose petal and a drop of perfume) Duration: 1 round/level (D) Save: Will negates SR:yesSource: APG
35:50 <diebot> You are surrounded by a soporific aroma that causes living creatures that begin their turn or end their movement within 5 feet of you to fall asleep for 1 minute. Creatures must save each time they begin their turn or end their movement within the cloak of dreams, even if they have previously saved against the effect. Sleeping creatures are
35:50 <diebot> helpless but can be awakened with a standard action or after being wounded. Creatures with the scent special quality have a -4 penalty on their saves.
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57:37 <Maestro> That's all we were saying. 
57:54 <Maestro> It wasn't really a matter of roleplaying, just how people can think creatively to adjust their AC without worrying about just the score.
58:02 <Yuugi> Yeah, and it just sounds like a matter of lazy or bad GMing to me.
58:09 <Maestro> i.e. not being aimed at is even better than not being hit.
58:31 <Yuugi> Maestro: Best defense against attack is to not be there?
58:37 <HTT-Bird> Yuugi, exactly
58:43 * Yuugi shrugs.
58:49 <Maestro> Or, rather, to have someone else be more convenient :P
58:52 <HTT-Bird> yeah
59:04 <Yuugi> See, this "convenience" thing I don't think I understand. Oh well.
59:07 <Maestro> It's along the lines of, "I don't have to out-run the bear, I just have to out-run you!"
59:15 <HTT-Bird> make it so the potential attacker goes 'screw this, I'm going to go find someone else to pick on'
59:25 <Maestro> Exactly
59:31 <Yuugi> It makes it sound like a video game where the AI tactics lock onto the closest PC...
59:35 <Maestro> Getting hit is what Barbarians are for.
59:39 <Yuugi> It's just silly.
59:48 <Yuugi> Nobody really fights like that.
59:51 <Maestro> You'd be surprised how much humans will mimic those tactics without realizing.
59:57 <Maestro> All people have behavior patterns.
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