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35:04 <arch> morning you weirdos
35:15 * T3sl4 weirds arch
35:15 <arch> hope everyone had a nice thanksgiving
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38:04 <T3sl4> good foods were had
38:08 <arch> back to work =( no more holidays until christmas
39:15 <Sigyn> Same although I might use some vacation days before then since I've got more than will roll over
39:57 <arch> i probably have a handful of days left, will use them up before christmas
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41:25 <rust_collector_> lalalalalalaa. time to rotate the ram sticks
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51:38 <arch> for mosfet switching, since average current draw = charge x freq; average power dissipation for a gate drive resistor is current^2 x r?
59:33 <Dude> well, yeah
00:19 <Dude> but it makes more sense to just calculate the total gate charge and use that combined with the switching frequency
00:34 <Dude> also don't forget that the same charge goes through that resistor twice
13:24 <T3sl4> arch: charge * voltage * freq
13:55 <arch> doh
15:09 <arch> Dude, are you related to TheDude?
16:52 Join: Nothing\ (~Shmendrick@cpe9050ca20a183-cm9050ca20a180.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) to #eevblog
17:14 <Nothing\> man, i'm thinking i should seriously pursue this idea i have for a medical device
17:16 * T3sl4 sticks a moist finger in Nothing\'s ear
17:51 <Nothing\> but i've never designed a device, much less have any idea how to properly design a medical device, or set up the manufacturing, or have anywhere close to the amount of money to cover the overhead
17:59 <Nothing\> oohhohohooo T3sl4 you know what i like
18:01 * arch sticks a moist tentacle in T3sl4's nostril
18:40 <T3sl4> owo
18:45 <Nothing\> but i've got an idea for a force sensor you attach to a tooth to give a more quantitative measure of jaw clenching
19:08 <Nothing\> and also 24/7 monitoring so you can check for patterns like any particular time of day, or see just how bad it gets at night
19:24 <Nothing\> or likewise for tooth grinding
19:53 <Nothing\> i did some rough estimates and figure i can make one a bit larger than one of those little nubby things they use for braces
20:08 <Nothing\> that includes the force sensor, MCU, and coil
20:14 <Dude> arch, yes, it's me, him
20:14 <Nothing\> and package
20:17 Nick: Dude is now known as TheDude
20:44 <Nothing\> i figure maybe 5mm^2 and 3mm deep
20:46 <arch> you are sus
20:51 <Nothing\> that doesn't seem too big for a tooth, does it?
21:17 <Nothing\> i mean it'd probably be uncomfortable at first, but any change to the feeling of a tooth is for some reason
21:33 <Nothing\> it's like your brain has a built-in tooth-defect-seeking circuit for tongue
22:15 <Nothing\> oh yeah speaking of tiny coils
22:20 <Nothing\> you guys see these wireless LEDs?
22:26 <Nothing\> they're sooooo friggin cool
22:32 * T3sl4 teste coils Nothing\
22:37 <Nothing\> probably gonna be sold out by the time i get around to ordering them though
22:45 <Nothing\> they look like tiny gems
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36:33 <Nothing\> hahaha
36:36 <Nothing\> oh man that's funny
36:56 <Nothing\> my mom just pwned me in youtube criticism of EE videos
38:17 <Nothing\> i showed her a video of those wireless LEDs and in it the guy was measuring how far from the primary coil they work, and he noted that it got more distance than the datasheet said. I didn't think anything of it other than that LEDs can light up on nanoamps of current, so it's not surprising
38:37 <Nothing\> but then my mum pointed out he was using a stainless steel ruler and wouldn't that skew the results
39:35 <Nothing\> and i was thinking yeah it totally would skew the results, the ruler would warp the magnetic field coming off of the primary. I'd imagine something like if you stuck a magnet on a paperclip and the paperclip becomes magnetic, extending the field further than if you just had the magnet
39:54 <Nothing\> i just thought it was neat that my mum of all people caught that
40:13 <T3sl4> i'd expect to make that rather worse, it did rather well i guess
42:14 <Nothing\> you'd be amazed how little power an LED can light up on so long as you've got enough voltage for the forward voltage
42:24 <T3sl4> well, yeah
42:39 <Nothing\> like, i noticed playing around once if i put my body in series with a white LED and a 9v battery, the led still lights up
42:43 <T3sl4> for a resonant coil, depends on q factor and tuning
42:47 <Nothing\> not terribly bright at all, but enough to see
43:02 <Nothing\> T3sl4, yeah ime those types of coils seem to have a lot of resistance
43:26 <Nothing\> i've got similar ones, though i'm not sure if they're ferrite core or just a plastic bobbin
43:47 <Nothing\> but the resistance is something like 400ohms. Though that's on a 100mH coil
45:09 <Nothing\> it's funny, the first circuit i ever saw in diagram form, in circuitmod was an RLC circuit with a switch to "charge" it up with a dc source then disconnect the source and you could watch it resonate.
45:40 <Nothing\> that was one of the things that initially made me fall in love with electronics, and i remember i'd always wanted to recreate that circuit, but do you think i could? lol
46:22 <Nothing\> in the art of electronics one of them said, most of EE is trying to get things to oscillate when they're not, or to stop oscillating when they are
47:27 <Nothing\> but yeah, the problem i've always come across is the Q factor's always too high. I want to use the largest value inductor possible, but ironically it seems the larger the inductor, the lower my q factor because the resistance ends up being higher
47:54 <Nothing\> hrm maybe i could soak the lot in some sort of semi-cryogenic liquid
48:18 <Nothing\> i wonder if tetrafluoroethane is conductive
48:48 <Nothing\> actually, probably is with the high difference in electronegativity between fluorine and carbon
49:03 <Nothing\> also, they have mario kart themed hotwheels tracks now
49:13 <Nothing\> i was born in the wrong damn era :(
52:15 * Nothing\ goes back to item grinding in FFIV
52:37 <T3sl4> it's nonionic
57:51 <Nothing\> well covalent bonds can still have partial charges if the difference in electronegativity is large enough
58:03 <Nothing\> water's a prime example of this, as i'm sure you know
58:12 <T3sl4> it would have to dissolve something
58:28 <T3sl4> water ionizes, weakly by itself but easily with salts
58:37 <Nothing\> that's true isn't it
58:57 <Nothing\> it's all full of OH- and H3O+
59:28 <Nothing\> i forget what OH- is called but i know H3O+ is called hydronium
59:36 <T3sl4> hydroxyl
00:03 <Nothing\> yeah i guess so
00:06 <Nothing\> or hydroxide
00:17 <T3sl4> wait, yl is the radical
00:19 <Nothing\> i thought there was another name for it in the ionic form but i guess not
00:22 <T3sl4> ide/ate is the ion, yes
00:34 <Nothing\> it's okay i just knew that cuz i googled it lol
00:50 <Nothing\> i'd have probably said hydroxyl too
01:27 <Nothing\> eaouitoehsnidaoesihaoseisdoaeiao
01:35 <Nothing\> man this farming crap in ffiv is getting ridiculous
01:35 <T3sl4> neat fact, when naming molecules (systematically), -yl can be used to declare a free bond that something else later will stick to
02:02 <Nothing\> like i'm so unlucky that i'm having to kill 2-3 times more monsters than i should statistically have to in order to get these drops
02:22 <Nothing\> and not just for like a run or two, but for the entire damn time i've been farming, and for multiple items
02:37 <Nothing\> you know, i'm beginning to think the figures in this guide i read weren't entirely accurate
02:51 <Nothing\> T3sl4, that is neat
03:10 <Nothing\> lol i actually had a nerd dream the other night where i was reading a neurology textbook
03:38 <Nothing\> it was cool though because when i woke up, i could still remember the diagrams on the 2 pages i was looking at almost exactly
03:53 <Nothing\> i quickly jotted them down, then some more came to me as i was doing that
03:56 <T3sl4> dreams are nice, sometimes
04:26 <Nothing\> i've always liked dreams. I almost never have nightmares and even then, what someone would consider a nightmare doesn't usually bother me
04:48 <Nothing\> the only ones that do are nightmares where i'm either back in prison or i've been arrested and know i'm going back to prison
05:10 <Nothing\> cuz i used to have dreams about that a lot before my arrest, but i'd always know it was a dream so i was fine with it
05:41 <Nothing\> then when i actually DID get arrested, i was woken up after just 2 hours of sleep and all groggy and half asleep, so i was trying so hard to convince myself it was just another bad dream
06:26 <Nothing\> so now any time i have a dream about prison i just wake up so incredibly grateful that it was just a dream
07:09 <Nothing\> actually i had another dream like that last night, except it carried over into reality where when i woke up, i was convinced i was in a jail cell at first until i turned on the light and looked around my room and got my bearings
07:20 <Nothing\> man, i forgot about that. that was bloody unpleasant.
07:29 * Nothing\ shudders
07:44 <T3sl4> oof
07:53 <Nothing\> you'd think after having such dreams so often though, it'd become a trigger for lucidity
08:21 <T3sl4> one of the weirder ones i've had recently, as in the last some years, i thought i was still working at the, place i was once employed
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08:53 <Nothing\> when my ex left me, i had dreams about getting back together with her a lot, and eventually it got to the point where when i'd have such a dream i'd just be like "wait a minute... there's no way this could ever happen in real life" then do a quick dream check to make sure and become lucid
09:30 <T3sl4> though it looked different, like it had a whole reception area instead of front offices, and it had an expansive warehouse / shop floor in back
09:57 <T3sl4> and there was this weird tension between hiding from the boss because he thought i didn't work there anymore, but, i guess i was still getting paid?
10:02 <Nothing\> T3sl4, i get that a lot in my dreams. Dreaming about settings from my distant past. Like my school, or the neighbourhood i grew up in, or old friends, old love interests or girl friends from when i was a kid. stuff like that.
10:30 <T3sl4> but also the parking lot was, i think a place i went to school at, or maybe some random mall
10:33 <Nothing\> oh yeah, cities i used to hang out in or live in too, but yeah they'd always be different somehow
10:44 <Nothing\> but strangely enough, the differences were always the same from dream to dream
11:09 <Nothing\> and eventually it was like my brain had constructed this whole alternate version of this region
11:24 <T3sl4> the frankenstein way dreams stitch together various memories, it's neat
11:36 <Nothing\> oh yeah i love that
11:44 <Nothing\> or when you have a dream that carries over into another dream
11:54 <Nothing\> or a continuation of another dream if you woke up in the middle of it
12:33 <Nothing\> one thing i've always found so curious is how our minds seem to go to great lengths to convince us that we're dreaming
12:36 <T3sl4> there's just a couple dreams i've had, that recur often enough that it almost starts to seem real
12:38 <Nothing\> almost like it's a necessity
13:25 <T3sl4> imagine that going just a little bit farther, and also in waking experience, well you've probably been there on drugs heh, and some people don't need to imagine, the brain is weird man
13:55 <Nothing\> and it's like your mind is always two steps ahead of you. Like you just start to question things, and then something happens to make you stop wondering if you're in a dream and just accept the fact that your dead grandmother's violently hoisting you by your testicles.
14:59 <Nothing\> T3sl4, there were times on drugs where i had visions that i was genuinely convinced if i entertained them anymore than i did, i'd leave reality all together and possibly never return lol
15:38 <Nothing\> but that stuff had really strong visions and created a sense of detachment from the physical world. In other words, the perfect escape.
15:41 <Nothing\> too perfect
15:42 <T3sl4> it literally is two steps ahead of you. most of conscious experience and memory is constructed of whole cloth, after the fact
16:07 <T3sl4> that sounds lovely
16:24 <Nothing\> T3sl4, one really neat thing i noticed about dreams is when i'm flying, generally while lucid, if i fly far enough it's almost like my brain can't keep up with it and stops creating new scenery
16:25 <T3sl4> and i mean that in the sense of, a superposition of both serious and sacrastic tones
16:34 <T3sl4> lol
16:47 <Nothing\> and the scenery just becomes something simple and repetitive like a forest, or a desert, or an ocean
17:27 <Nothing\> but i never liked flying in dreams cuz i know even though falling won't cause any physical damage to my body, i'll still feel it as though it were real, so i fear it just the same
17:47 <T3sl4> hm, i'm not sure that i've ever tried that. most times when i'm flying it's like, "learning" to fly from just kinda jumping but willing it into altitude, or there's this weird tension about flying near but being very careful to avoid power lines, or aerial views of houses and such
17:57 <Nothing\> that's why i've always treated this world as though it's real, even though i haven't believed this world is real since i was in kindergarten
18:49 <Nothing\> heh i remember i used to have so much trouble flying in dreams, mainly because of the fear of falling i think. But I figured out somehow that to fly, instead of moving myself through the world, i moved the world around myself.
19:12 <T3sl4> i was probably "better" at it, in a since, because i took pilot lessons as a teen
19:24 <T3sl4> wasn't very good at it unfortunately, but it was a cool experience
19:28 <Nothing\> which i think i may have stolen from some sci-fi show or story or something. It sounds familiar. I mean I know that's how the ship in Futurama works according to Prof. Farnsworth.
19:38 <Nothing\> it moves the universe around it instead of moving it through the universe
19:49 <Nothing\> but i think that idea came from an older sci-fi story or something
19:59 <Nothing\> T3sl4, oh you lucky bastard
20:25 <Nothing\> i've always wanted to get my pilot silence but it's so expensive
20:30 <Nothing\> license
20:36 <Nothing\> stupid spellcheck
20:44 <Nothing\> i dunno why, i can never spell license right
20:56 <Nothing\> i think cuz i confuse the american and british spellings and inevitably combine the two
22:00 <Nothing\> actually, T3sl4 going back to the topic of ferritic metals and inductors
22:31 <Nothing\> i always wondered if using a ferritic metal as the wire in an inductor would affect its inductance, and how
22:41 <T3sl4> yes, and worse
22:48 <Nothing\> i figured as much
23:17 <T3sl4> because, magnetic field runs around the wire not along it, so it doesn't matter for the bulk inductance
23:20 <Nothing\> the first inductor i tried to make i used this steel wire that i think was meant for utility rather than for electronics. But it did not make a very good inductor at all
23:33 <Nothing\> plus it was super hard to wind cuz it was solid core and like 18 gauge
23:47 <T3sl4> and skin effect in the wire depends on mu and is worse (thinner) at high mu so iron is a particularly poor choice for inductors
24:36 <Nothing\> T3sl4, right, i get the geometry of the flux around the wire and how it sorta adds up with each winding, but that's about the extent of what i understand of the geometry of magnetic fields in inductors
24:56 <Nothing\> and i'm vaguely familiar with the skin effect
25:18 <Nothing\> insofar as i know it gets worse with high voltage and/or frequency?
25:58 <Nothing\> oh yeah random topic change
26:11 <Nothing\> i was watching this video about artificial, lab grown meat yesterday
26:28 <Nothing\> apparently they need to use 50 liters of fetal bovine serum just to make 1 burger
26:47 <T3sl4> mmm, that's a lot of veal
27:11 <Nothing\> yeah, they said a single calf fetus yields maybe 150ml of FBS
27:34 <Nothing\> and worse still, they don't just slaughter the fetus and let it bleed it
27:56 <Nothing\> no no, they bleed it out as slowly as possible, because the longer it's kept alive the more FBS they can get from it and the higher the quality
28:10 <Nothing\> in other words, the more the cow suffers, the better it is
28:12 <Nothing\> just like veal!
28:17 <Nothing\> only times 300
29:01 <Nothing\> but yeah, i guess that's one of the big hurdles in making sheet meat, as i like to call it
29:08 <Nothing\> i forget where i read the term sheet meat, but i like it
29:24 <Nothing\> much more convenient than artificial lab grown meat
30:27 <T3sl4> hm, sounds like it's basically plasma. i wonder how different it really is
31:15 <Nothing\> nah it's a lot more than just plasma
31:53 <Nothing\> i mean the main solute is plasma, surely. But it contains a whole cocktail of various enzymes and nutrients and things of that nature that are essential for cell development and maintenance
32:28 <Nothing\> my cousin's actually a biotech PhD. I should tell her to make a synthetic FBS.
32:43 <Nothing\> actually, I think there ARE synthetic alternatives, now that i think about it.
33:19 <Nothing\> but they're much more costly, and less effective, which of course makes them more costly since you inevitably have to use more. Or so I would imagine.
34:12 <T3sl4> "i used the cow to make the cow"
35:33 <Nothing\> so meta
35:43 <Nothing\> lol 2nd gen cow meat
35:48 <Nothing\> oh hey
35:53 <Nothing\> is that what beyond meat is?
36:09 <T3sl4> i never meta meat i didn't like
38:38 <T3sl4> at least the veg sourced things aren't too bad these days, the introduction of leghemoglobin improves the flavor/texture notably
41:47 <Nothing\> interesting
42:03 <Nothing\> i don't think i've ever had a veggie burger, but honestly i just like tofu on its own
42:35 <T3sl4> tofu is very bland, but does an ok job
42:36 <Nothing\> i used to buy 1lb blocks of the firm stuff and just slice it and fry it up in a pan
42:42 <Nothing\> just a bit of oil
42:54 <Nothing\> i like the flavor, it's got a vaguely woody flavor
43:06 <Nothing\> same with soy milk, i like the woody flavor of soy milk
43:15 <T3sl4> very subtle, hard to use
43:22 <T3sl4> like chicken flavor
43:25 <Nothing\> but yeah, i've never liked strong tasting things in the first place. I always prefer bland foods.
43:26 <T3sl4> even harder tbh
43:29 <Nothing\> so it's right up my alley
44:12 <T3sl4> ah, so a classic british boiled dinner is right up your alley
44:15 <Nothing\> though i don't mind some heavily spiced foods if it's done right
44:24 <Nothing\> like biryani, with raisins, and cashews.... mmmm
44:37 <Nothing\> man i haven't had a good biryani since i moved out of waterloo
44:46 <Nothing\> this city just isn't diverse enough
44:52 <Nothing\> or classy
45:05 <Nothing\> in fact, it's quite the shithole
45:47 <Nothing\> it's ironic too, i was pointing out to my mum the other day that all of the huge century homes downtown used to be owned by the richest and most elite of the city
46:17 <Nothing\> and now they're all divided up into 10+ apartments each and crammed full of the poorest, most destitute members of the community
46:34 <Nothing\> even the churches are being sold off for housing now. Can you believe that?
47:21 <Nothing\> and the landlords are charging like $2,000 each for 2 bedroom apartments
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47:47 <Nothing\> but i mean, they have no choice because even for a run down piece of crap house, you'd be looking at about $800k to buy it
48:30 <Nothing\> just the average price of a home in toronto is over a million now
48:41 <Nothing\> it's to the point where the middle class can't even afford to buy houses
49:33 <Nothing\> lol meanwhile disability only gives you about $1,100 to cover your rent, food, bills and everything else
49:37 <Nothing\> because that's realistic
50:00 <Nothing\> welfare's worse. They only give about $600. Which I can't even fathom how you can live on that.
50:16 <Nothing\> like, you literally couldn't have any housing. That's the only way it could work
50:45 <Nothing\> and the last time the raised the rate, at least for disability was back over 10 years ago, and that was just a pitiful 1% increase
50:46 <T3sl4> can't collect welfare without an address *govt points at head*
51:03 <Nothing\> i think it's gone up by 1% a total of maybe 2 or 3 times in the last 15 years i've been on it
51:15 <Nothing\> T3sl4, that's true too
51:40 <Nothing\> although these days it's all direct deposit. Even the benefits you get are all electronic now. Where before they'd send you a card each month
51:46 <Nothing\> or rather a slip of paper
52:20 <Nothing\> so really the only point of the mail is to get your statement that says what you got and what it's meant to go towards
52:28 <T3sl4> whatever's left after your bank overdraft fees anyway amirite
52:36 <Nothing\> yeah no shit
52:49 <Nothing\> not just overdraft, but just the transaction fees alone
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53:19 <Nothing\> i pay $8 for my account as it is, which allows me 10 transactions on my chequing and 2 on my savings
53:25 <Nothing\> and then it's 50 cents per after that
53:39 <Nothing\> or i think $2 for my savings account, or something ridiculous like that
54:04 <T3sl4> we usually have free checking down here, but i imagine it varies between banks
54:39 <Nothing\> and 10's usually enough for the month, i figure i'm not gonna spend money more than once every 3 days. But once in a while i'll go overboard buying stuff on steam, or aliexpress
55:04 <Nothing\> aliexpress is especially bad because you can buy like 5 items from the same store, but they all count as separate transactions
56:04 <Nothing\> T3sl4, we have some banks that have free accounts. But they're usually with banks that have no centralized location you can do your business at. They might have a kiosk at the grocery store and an ATM, but no actual banks or tellers or anything.
56:22 <T3sl4> huh
56:47 <Nothing\> yeah it's pretty inconvenient actually if you ever need the help of a human
57:13 <Nothing\> plus i defrauded that bank out of several hundred dollars, so they're a no-go
57:48 <T3sl4> hows that work
57:59 <Nothing\> though i think being that was 15 yeras ago, the statute of limitations probably at least doesn't allow them to prosecute. But i don't think they'd want to do business with me after that.
58:42 <Nothing\> well, back in the day you could make deposits in the ATMs by sticking your money in an envelope provided at the ATM and then telling the machine how much money was in it
59:01 <Nothing\> so i just did that, but with empty envelopes
59:19 <T3sl4> lol
59:21 <Nothing\> i'd say there was $900 so it wouldn't hold the money, then withdraw it immediately
59:38 <Nothing\> i did that with a bunch of banks, back when i was still doing pills
59:43 <Nothing\> hydromorphone
00:38 <Nothing\> which actually, i heard they're doing this new thing up here other than methadone or suboxone now where they prescribe patients large amounts of hydromorphone that they're allowed to take home and use however they want
00:46 <Nothing\> ie snort it, shoot it, smoke it, swallow it
01:08 <Nothing\> which for a pill, which isn't designed or meant to be consumed in any way other than orally, is just asking for trouble
01:33 <Nothing\> i don't know how any physician can in good conscience prescribe pills that they know their patient is snorting or especially injecting
01:45 <Nothing\> injecting pills puts you at risk for soooo many severe problems
02:10 <Nothing\> it's just as bad as any other street drug on account of how much other additives they put in the pill, which definitely aren't meant to go in your veins
02:31 <T3sl4> pillers contain fillers
02:36 <Nothing\> exactly
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02:47 <Nothing\> and with good cause
03:15 <Nothing\> doses of pure drugs, even ones that aren't terribly potent, are very small
03:20 <Nothing\> in terms of volume
03:28 <T3sl4> i suppose the body would clear stearates pretty well, starch not sure, other things no idea
03:42 <Nothing\> but you get something like fentanyl, and a dose is literally the size of a few grains of salt
03:46 <Nothing\> salt, not rice
04:47 <Nothing\> T3sl4, i just know that IVing things like that puts you at risk of damage to your heart, lungs, spinal cord, causes scarring of the veins, destroys valves in the veins, and other fun things i'm sure
05:21 <Nothing\> not to mention pills aren't sterile, so you've got the whole risk of infection thing going on. And since it's going into your blood i'd imagine sepsis wouldn't be too hard to contract
05:24 <T3sl4> blood is meant to stay inside you, and not have things added to it
05:38 <Nothing\> exactly
05:52 <Nothing\> i always get the willies any time i have an IV line put in me for a similar reason
06:00 <Nothing\> which is, nothing is meant to be inside my veins
06:31 <Nothing\> plus for some reason they always place the IV in the worst possible spot
06:56 <Nothing\> always in the crux of my elbow, so every time i move my arm i can feel it pulling and tugging and moving inside my vein
07:17 <Nothing\> you'd think they'd go for the top of the hand. I don't see any reason why not to use the top of the hand.
07:43 <T3sl4> that said, being able to but cannulae, stents etc deep inside the circulatory system is pretty freaking tricky/clever
07:54 <Nothing\> a vein's a vein, so long as it's big enough to accomodate the rate of infusion
08:42 <Nothing\> T3sl4, oh i know, i was actually just talking about this with my mum the other day. How cool it is that they can place a stent just running something up through your groin
08:54 <Nothing\> altohugh if i had to have that done, i'd have the willies times a million
09:00 <Nothing\> they'd HAVE to sedate me
09:11 <Nothing\> there's no way i'd be able to consciously let somebody do that to me
09:38 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm51ihfi1p4
09:38 <Nothing\> like, it's not a matter of will power. i just think i would instinctively just not let it happen. fight them off or whatever.
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09:43 <Nothing\> lol exactly
10:01 <Nothing\> it's like when my balls were swollen and i had to have an examination
10:35 <Nothing\> every time the poor doctor tried to feel them, my hands would immediately zip down there and tear her hands away from my balls because i absolutely cannot stand anyone at all touching them. Not even myself.
10:57 <Nothing\> i wound up having to put my hands behind my head so they were physically restrained from doing that
12:31 <T3sl4> kinky
13:34 <Nothing\> lol i'd be lying if i said i didn't have half a stock
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17:12 <Nothing\> speaking of halcyon
17:17 <Nothing\> i need to ask him something
17:31 <Nothing\> now that i know he's a cop, i HAVE to know if he has a mustache or not.
17:42 <Nothing\> Cuz i'd bet dollars to donuts (no pun intended) that he has.
18:01 <T3sl4> well i mean
18:03 <T3sl4> that, and he's gay, so
18:30 <Nothing\> i didn't know that
18:53 <Nothing\> LGBTIetc folk seem a lot more rare outside of my old drug chats
19:30 <Nothing\> i dunno what it was about those places, but there seemed to be at least 1 non-straight for every 10-20 straights
19:48 <T3sl4> just more open i'd guess
20:15 <T3sl4> or even, that sounds less than average, most people just have no reason to tell you their personal details
20:33 <Nothing\> it could be, or i was thinking maybe just having a different sexual identity than the majority would inevitably put more stress on a person than they would otherwise experience
21:07 <Nothing\> especially for the ones that are more misunderstood, like intersex, which i didn't even know is a hermaphrodite
21:16 <Nothing\> when i hear intersex i think transexual
21:25 <Nothing\> or transexual in the process of changing
21:27 <T3sl4> T and I, different things
21:47 <Nothing\> yeah i know this now. I watched an interesting interview with an intersex person the other day
21:55 <T3sl4> i suppose fluid counts as intergender, but yeh different things :P
22:09 <Nothing\> actually i think you'd like this channel. they do interviews with all sorts of interesting people. Lots of really good anecdotes.
22:37 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/c/LADbible/videos
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22:56 <Nothing\> i can't speak for their other content, but the interviews are outstanding. I couldn't stop watching them.
24:14 <Nothing\> especially because the topics are so varied. From an ex gangster who was shot in face twice, to an intersex guy, to a woman with tourettes, well i can't even do it justice you'll just have to see for yourself.
24:39 <Nothing\> suffice it to say, i haven't found content on youtube this good in quite some time
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35:22 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
35:36 * Ampera slaps Nothing\ for using the verboten initialism
35:57 <Ampera> also Halcyon does not have a mustache.
36:05 <Ampera> He hates hair and tries to have as little as possible.
39:37 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera 
39:40 <Nothing\> heya buddy
39:48 <Nothing\> and that's disappointing
40:09 <Ampera> I think he'd look particularly terrifying with one.
41:16 <Ampera> I'd say think of a typical Australian. Not Dundee, but just a very average shape, average looking Australian
41:21 <Ampera> he somehow manages to fit exactly inside that mold.
51:33 <T3sl4> that's not Ampera, THIS is am pera.
51:38 * T3sl4 brandishes a spoon
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20:05 <steve30> Nothing\, gays do have something of a reputation for drugs and alcohol addiction
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21:17 <Nothing\> steve30, not just gays ime
21:41 <Nothing\> i can't speak from actual statistics, though but it wouldn't surprise me at all if it were the norm
22:09 <Nothing\> especially with lesser known sexual orientations
22:11 <steve30> I used to go to an LGBT community group and there I encountered several heavy drinkers and several recovered alcoholics
22:16 <Nothing\> or less accepted ones
22:28 <Nothing\> huh
22:48 <steve30> Don't know whether any of them did any other drugs
22:51 <Nothing\> you know, i'm starting to resign myself to the fact that given a long enough time line, every recovering addict will relapse eventually
23:03 <Ampera> it depressedly amazes me that homosexuality is invariably bound to the notion of being a raving exhibitionist misanthrope
23:24 <Nothing\> i honestly can't think of a single recovered addict i've known who stayed recovered
23:41 <Nothing\> even my dad, stayed sober for over 20 years and still relapsed and wound up drinking just as heavy as ever
23:41 <Ampera> That's what scares me the most about gender dysphoria.
23:44 <Ampera> It feels like an addiction.
24:03 <Nothing\> really? in what way?
24:07 <Ampera> and that I must see it through, because for whatever reason, I will never truly be able to stop myself no matter how hard I try.
24:19 <Nothing\> i guess it has similar neural mechanisms
24:41 <Ampera> In a sense of having urges and feelings that I find myself unable to not act upon and experience.
24:56 <Nothing\> that is you're normally unhappy, and you do things which cause your brain to release dopamine and serotonin and other "happy chemicals" and it leaves you wanting more, so you repeat the behavior
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25:00 <Halcyon> Stupid internet
25:03 <Nothing\> hey Halcyon
25:08 <Nothing\> we were just talking about you
25:09 <Halcyon> Hey
25:11 <Nothing\> well not just
25:13 <Halcyon> Oh?
25:15 <Nothing\> but not too long ago
25:26 <Nothing\> yeah lol i was wondering if you had a mustache, being a cop and all lol
25:34 * steve30 fires some pronouns at Ampera 
25:36 <Ampera> I told you he hates hair.
25:38 <Halcyon> Nope, I hate facial hair
25:42 <Halcyon> ^
25:44 <Ampera> You hate any kinda hair
25:50 <Ampera> you barely even want it on your head
25:50 <Nothing\> lol yeah that was the consensus
25:53 * steve30 needs a hair cut
26:09 <Nothing\> Halcyon, i can see that. facial hair feels really uncomfortable even when you get used to it
26:10 <Halcyon> I like head hair and maybe some short, clippered body hair
26:11 <Halcyon> But that's about it
26:41 <Nothing\> although i never really got used to having facial hair. I more just learned how to tame it. But even then you can still feel it there which in itself is not a comfortable feeling.
26:42 <Ampera> Nothing\, in essence, it's because I feel like I must chase impossible goals in an attempt to feel normal
26:54 <Ampera> which, in mind, is one possible definition for addiction.
27:16 <Ampera> Doing something over and over again, no matter how much it hurts you, to simply stop feeling bad for just a moment, even though it never truly works
27:24 <Ampera> and you'll never know if you can break the cycle or see it through
27:48 <Ampera> As soon as it's convenient I'm getting my facial hair lasered off.
27:51 <Ampera> I'm sick of dealing with it
28:05 <Nothing\> Ampera, not at all. See I have the same problem of assigning myself unrealistically ambitious goals and i thought the same way, i thought there was something wrong with that. That I was needlessly stressing myself out by expecting too much of myself, right.
28:24 <Halcyon> What about your butt hair Ampera?
28:38 * steve30 doesn't like facial hair
28:47 <Nothing\> But the way I see it, there's nothing wrong or abnormal with it. It's just the normal human drive to want to do well in whatever you do. Whether it's life in general, or something more specific
28:59 <Ampera> That's not it though. I'm not assigning unrealistically ambitious goals, provided that the goal of wanting to simply feel okay and not be in constant anguish isn't unrealistic.
29:00 <Nothing\> it's just human to expect too much of yourself
29:18 <Ampera> Beyond any other sub-goal or motive, that is the one, core, primary goal.
29:35 <Nothing\> but more than that, it's a positive thing in my opinion because it motivates me to try and do things which i might not otherwise try on account of thinking it impossible
29:39 <Ampera> and I honestly don't know if the cause is invented, innate, or can even be helped.
29:49 <Nothing\> and sometimes i surprise myself and end up achieving more than i thought i could.
30:09 <Nothing\> as long as you're not too hard on yourself when you inevitably fail. And you will fail.
30:09 <Ampera> I don't expect much of myself though. I am content with living nearly any life, so long as I can simply feel okay enough doing it.
30:29 <Ampera> for me it's night after night of having to shift between feeling great, okay, and awful, with no way to calm it all down.
30:33 <Nothing\> But you have to just keep in mind that failure is not just a part of life. But it's one of the best opportunities we have to learn and to grow as a person.
31:08 <Ampera> Honestly, I consider failure, in this case, to be a synonym for death.
31:24 <Ampera> That's perhaps the only reason I still try, because so long as I am alive, I can say I have not yet failed.
31:24 <Nothing\> well Ampera if i were in your shoes, i think the first thing i'd look at is why exactly such a drive bothers you.
31:39 <Ampera> The drive doesn't bother me, its consequences does.
31:40 <Nothing\> what it is about it that causes you to see it as a negative thing.
31:48 * Halcyon hugs Ampera
31:54 * Ampera stabs Halcyon with a love sausage
31:54 <Nothing\> ah what consequences are those?
32:09 <Halcyon> :D
32:14 <Halcyon> YAY tomorrow is Summer
32:21 <Halcyon> Although you wouldn't know it, it's cold and shit
32:35 <Nothing\> Halcyon, really? that's weird
32:47 <Nothing\> summer/winter for us starts on the 20th/21st
32:52 <Ampera> The primary consequence is existing in a state of indecisive mental limbo. Regardless of how hard I try, I'm incapable of understanding or feeling confident in a path that will lead to the best outcome for more than a few days.
32:57 <Nothing\> on the solstice
33:33 <Ampera> Either I live a horrible, empty life, living a daily pain of having to restrain my personal feelings or instincts as they continue to bubble out and hurt me
33:51 <Nothing\> Halcyon, come to think of it i think i do remember seeing something about the beginning of summer being around the 1st of december on one of those international calendars that has every conceivable holiday listed
34:04 <Halcyon> It's just easier to do it by month
34:08 <Halcyon> Summer is Dec-Feb
34:14 <Ampera> Or I simply accept the prescribed treatment for those desires, in hopes that I have enough life left to live by the time it's all said and done.
35:19 <Nothing\> Halcyon, lol here they've got the start of the seasons down to the second
36:18 * Halcyon seasons Ampera
36:27 <Nothing\> Ampera, don't forget, nothing in life is permanent. Not even who you are.
36:28 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
36:35 <Halcyon> Meh
36:43 <Ampera> Nothing\, that doesn't change much.
36:45 <Halcyon> My internet string is wet, therefore broken again
36:57 <Halcyon> I'm using my mobile
36:57 <Ampera> internet pasta
37:01 <Nothing\> for all you know, you could feel completely different about this say 5, 10, 15 years down the road. Hell it might not even be something you consider anymore at that point.
37:02 <Halcyon> Pretty much
37:26 <Ampera> Nothing\, I've held onto that notion throughout this, but it doesn't make the decisions for me.
37:33 <Halcyon> Apparently crews at up the road this morning at the pit. Hopefully draining it from all the water and shit that's in there
37:45 <Nothing\> that's one thing i tell myself when i feel shitty, is nothing lasts forever, not the good times, and not the bad ones either. So it's just a matter of time until things get better.
37:47 <Ampera> I can exist in a comfortable present, content that, at least until the next day, there is nothing I have to do
37:51 <Ampera> but I only have so many days
37:55 <Nothing\> at least in regards to situations i have no control over
38:39 <Nothing\> but that's the tricky thingtoo is learning to let go of those situations you have no control over. And to recognize them so you can be proactive when it would be helpful.
38:46 <Ampera> That's the thing though, I have control over this situation.
38:50 <Ampera> That's the entire problem.
38:55 <Nothing\> ah
39:09 <Nothing\> that would indeed be much more frustrating
40:05 <Ampera> I am an indecisive person in general, partially out of a respect for not what is permanent in life, but what should be respected as permanent.
40:50 <Ampera> Few single days are drastic, but I am already at a point where there are repercussions of my actions that would be insanely difficult to reverse.
41:23 <Ampera> What more, I am nervous of not being able to make a decision and stick with it. I've made up my mind so many times only for a shift in emotion to destroy that resolution.
41:43 <Ampera> Just like driving, it's insanely dangerous to change your mind mid-intersection.
47:33 * Halcyon finger bangs Ampera
47:43 <Ampera> you are weird
47:44 <Ampera> wanna call?
48:06 <Halcyon> I'm about to go out, I can do a short one in about 5 minutes?
48:13 <Ampera> alright
49:29 <Halcyon> Make that 10, I have to do my hair
49:37 <Halcyon> I'll call you shortlu
49:38 <Halcyon> y
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55:29 * Ampera murders Halcyon with an axe and discards the body underneath the floorboards of a bar in Zurich.
55:38 <Halcyon> \o/
55:43 <Halcyon> I'd love to haunt a bar
09:20 <Halcyon> BRB
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21:52 <steve30> The ghost will just arrest you for murder
25:35 <Nothing\> hasn't there been an actual trial in which a ghost was called as a witness?
25:39 <Nothing\> i feel like that was a thing
26:33 <Nothing\> i guess so
26:34 <Nothing\> https://www.huffpost.com/entry/how-a-ghosts-evidence-con_b_9252062
26:35 <EEVBot> [Title] - How a Ghost's Evidence Convicted a Murderer | HuffPost Latest News
26:43 <steve30> wouldn't surprise me in a place like america
26:43 <Nothing\> also i just ate the most nauseating chocolate ever
27:06 <Nothing\> it was supposed to be caramel black chocolate, which i'm not a fan of either but i'll tolerate them
27:32 <Nothing\> cannabis, of course. They're selling em for $1 each as a special but i just like the taste, usually.
27:51 <Nothing\> but usually they have this white chocolate candy cane stuff it's so tasty
28:08 <Nothing\> like i said it doesn't even affect me but i eat it anyway cuz it's so tasty
28:12 <Nothing\> but this stuff was just sickly
28:22 <Nothing\> it was more like a brandy chocolate than caramel
28:35 <Nothing\> which, i never understood the allure of brandy chocolates myself
29:44 <Nothing\> lol i remember as a kid going to my great aunt's house, i'd always accidentally eat her brandy chocolates mistaking them for tasty chocolates.
30:05 <Nothing\> in fact, i'm certain that was my first taste of booze.
30:33 <Nothing\> i also remember my great uncle offering me some beer once when i was maybe 5 or 6 and i took one whiff and said no thank you lol
30:52 <Nothing\> he brewed wine though and always used to have this i dunno what it was but it was tasty
31:13 <steve30> I grey up drinking my Dad's homebrew beer (granted, only small amounts), but ti've always liked beer
31:16 <Nothing\> it was like half fermented or something, real weak in terms of alcohol, but also very sweet
31:21 <Nothing\> and somewhat bubbly
32:11 <Nothing\> i've never liked it myself. I thought maybe it was just because I drank the wrong kinds but it doesn't matter if it's a cheap lager, or a fine ale, or anything in between. I just never found a beer I actually liked the taste of. Or wine for that matter.
32:29 <Nothing\> which is weird because i'm german and scottish
32:43 <Nothing\> at least scottish afaik, who the hell knows with my grandmother
32:55 <Nothing\> she always told stories and rumours
33:09 <Nothing\> though my surname apparently originates to some park in england
33:52 <Nothing\> and come to think of it, i just assume i'm scottish on my grandmother's side because her surname is that of a sect of a famous scottish clan
34:27 <Nothing\> and i can still taste those chocolates D:
34:32 <Nothing\> never getting those things again
35:39 <Nothing\> can't get enough of these candy cane white chocolate ones though. it's a shame they don't sell them regularly.
35:54 <Nothing\> they got some eggnog chocolates in the other day too but that just sounded sickly sweet.
36:34 <Nothing\> i'll never understand for the life of me how anyone can drink rum in eggnog
36:41 <Nothing\> or any dairy based alcohol for that matter
37:06 <Nothing\> i had this banana liqueur once and the stuff had me wanting to throw up after my first glass
37:31 <Nothing\> it had about the same consistency and fat content as eggnog as i recall.
38:53 <Nothing\> i'm so glad i don't drink anymore. Those hangovers weren't even close to being worth it imo. Although being younger i never gave that any thought until the day after.
49:07 <steve30> don't think i've ever had a hangover
49:20 <steve30> though i don't drink alcohol exessively
52:34 * Halcyon offers steve30 a cocktail
00:21 <Nothing\> ah i always drank to excess, at first because i didn't know any better then because i just wanted to get messed up when i was older. Actually it was probably both when I was younger. Then when I learned how to pace myself I just didn't bother. I was never one to think ahead that far :/
01:14 <Nothing\> i'm lucky i dodged that bullet actually, cuz my dad grandfather and brother are all alcoholics
01:56 <Nothing\> i didn't see what it did to my dad or grandfather, but i've been seeing what it's been doing to my brother and it's really sad to see. Almost like watching a degenerative disease play out.
02:29 <Nothing\> they just progressively get worse and worse. They might have good days once in a while, but in general it's a downward trend.
02:46 <Nothing\> and a pretty ugly one, even compared to most illicit drugs.
02:56 <Nothing\> at least in terms of the physical effects.
05:16 <steve30> Halcyon, did I tell you that Marks & Spencer are now doing pronoun badges for staff?
05:38 <Halcyon> No?
05:51 <Halcyon> Meh, if it makes people happy, knock themselves out
06:09 <steve30> They are. I've not seen anyone wear one, although I tend not to look at people's name badges
10:48 <Nothing\> yeah i realized the other day i never look at nametags or badges when i'm dealing with people in a store. Even when i'm a repeat customer and they know me on a first name basis. It doesn't occur to me to check their nametag for some time.
11:13 <Nothing\> But it's better than getting into the even more awkward situation of them being on a first name basis with you. And you not even knowing their name.
11:32 <Nothing\> by that point I just feel like it's too late to ask.
13:08 <Halcyon> I just refer to people by name. The whole pronoun thing (to a degree) is stupid
13:19 <Ampera> I have no name.
13:34 Nick: Ampera is now known as ______
13:38 <______> no name
13:41 <Halcyon> Your pronoun is dickhead
13:50 <______> actually this is a really good nick
13:55 <______> I think I might keep it
14:10 <Nothing\> what i'd like to do is buy one of those titles of nobility
14:13 <Halcyon> It's about the length of it :P
14:24 <Nothing\> i've always wanted one from The Principality of Sealand
14:34 <Nothing\> even though it's a crock of shit, it's a novel crock of shit lol
14:42 <Halcyon> Hah
15:00 <Nothing\> but they're only like 35gbp as opposed to what? like 100 or more for one from The UK
16:51 <Nothing\> or I remember the Universal Church of Life has some interesting titles available when you become ordained as a minister through them. Which, the process is free. But the paperwork isn't.
17:21 <Nothing\> i just remember they had one that was "Doctor of Space and Time"
18:56 <Halcyon> Hah that's pretty neat
19:04 <Halcyon> I thought about doing an actual Doctorate, but fuck it
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22:22 <______> yeah but if you do that, people would have to actually pronounce your last name
22:24 <______> nevermind spell it.
23:27 <Halcyon> I have to choose between two subjects for my final and they both sound boring as fuck
23:33 <Halcyon> https://www.handbook.unsw.edu.au/postgraduate/courses/2022/ZEIT8036
23:36 <EEVBot> [Title] - Handbook
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23:43 <EEVBot> [Title] - Handbook
24:15 <______> I'd pick the first one
24:32 <______> as that's basically ground 0 for every single security breach ever
24:32 <Halcyon> Yeh I was leaning towards that too
24:55 <Nothing\> yeah that first one sounds pretty interesting
25:07 <Nothing\> like some kevin mitnick, social engineering type stuff
25:19 <steve30> both sound boring to me
25:22 <Halcyon> Arr fuck and they aren't offering it next semester
25:24 <Halcyon> Grrr
25:27 <Halcyon> Steve: They are
25:38 <Nothing\> and yeah, from what i understand don't most security breaches occur as a result of human error?
25:40 <Nothing\> most, if not all
26:16 <Nothing\> so it definitely seems the more practical of the two
26:33 <Halcyon> I'm going to have to do software security lifecycle
26:35 <Halcyon> *yawn*
28:29 <Nothing\> canberra, they've got that radio antenna that's connected to one of the voyager crafts don't they?
28:43 <Halcyon> Yeh, at Tidbinbilla
28:45 <______> they've got a load of cunts that's what they got
28:54 <Nothing\> i forget which one. Actually didn't they lose contact with one of the Voyagers not long ago?
28:55 <Halcyon> It's part of the deep space network
28:59 <______> deep shit network
29:05 <Nothing\> ah yeah that sounds familiar now
29:46 <Halcyon> https://www.cdscc.nasa.gov/
29:47 <EEVBot> [Title] - Canberra Deep Space Communication Complex - NASA's Deep Space Network
29:57 <Nothing\> right on
30:11 <______> cuntberra deep shit congregation cockfight
30:21 <Nothing\> wonder how much the cows help with the gain
30:26 <Halcyon> You can see what you are currently tracking at: https://eyes.nasa.gov/dsn/dsn.html
30:27 <EEVBot> [Title] - DSN Now
30:46 <Nothing\> oh that's cool
30:51 <Halcyon> One of them if Voyager 2 as a whopping 159 bits per second
30:52 <Nothing\> i like me real time data
30:58 <Halcyon> *at a
31:12 <______> 159bps beats Bell 101
31:49 <Nothing\> hrm
32:26 <Nothing\> it's only showing me juno, but it's still neat
32:33 <Nothing\> trying to figure out how to switch craft
32:36 <Halcyon> Next to Canberra?
32:50 <Halcyon> You click the antenna
33:11 <Nothing\> ahh
33:11 <Nothing\> yeah
33:16 <Nothing\> i just found that lol
34:03 <Halcyon> I wonder why they selected 8.4 GHz for VGR
34:44 <Halcyon> I mean it was the 70's... a lot has changed since then, probably not a bad frequency to use
34:50 <Nothing\> almost 1.5 lightdays away
36:03 <Halcyon> I think from memory it only has about a year or two left before the whole thing is shut down
36:10 <Nothing\> i wonder why none of the ones in madrid are operating
36:21 <Nothing\> and if that has anything to do with the la palma volcano eruption
36:26 <Halcyon> Wrong side of the planet?
36:28 <Halcyon> Oh maybe
36:29 <Nothing\> yeah
36:32 <Nothing\> that was my first guess
36:46 <Nothing\> i dunno how far la palma is from madrid
36:51 <Nothing\> or how much ash it put out
37:20 <Halcyon> It's pretty amazing, that the on-board RTGs are still putting out about 50% of their rated capacity after all this time
37:47 <Nothing\> wow
38:54 <Halcyon> I mean we're talking a few hundred watts, but it's pretty damn amazing what you can do on that kind of power with such old technology
39:01 <Nothing\> you'd think knowing the half life of whatever isotope they used they'd be able to predict its power output decay over time pretty accurately
39:34 <Halcyon> Yeh well that's basically what they did, but I'd imagine they'd also be getting telemetry to give them a live reading too
39:37 <Nothing\> but then i guess it depends on more than just that.
40:05 <Nothing\> oh for sure that just seems a common sense thing
40:28 <Nothing\> but you never know. Space/weight was at a premium.
42:56 <______> this reminded of a recording I once found on youtube that was a christmas special during world war 2, of the German army hooking together a load of SSB transmitters around the fronts to sing christmas hymns
43:18 <______> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQscfKLn5GI
43:19 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Rare Recordings #1 - German Christmas Broadcast of 1942 (Christmas Special)
43:50 <______> had found it, though I'm not sure if it's the same one, it seems similar, but I remember the radios being a lot more crunchy and feedbacky
46:28 <Halcyon> Sounds spooky
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46:50 <______> it takes a lot for me to get scared anymore
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47:07 <______> my emotions kinda broke like that. Nightmares are genuinely pleasant for me
47:21 <Halcyon> I had a scary one yesterday
47:39 <Halcyon> I dreamt that my boss who resigned a few weeks ago, recinded his resignation (again)
49:52 <______> Perhaps the strangest and most emotional dream I've ever had, is one where I dreamed that the entire world was just one big simulation, and I was in stasis in some other, higher world
50:13 <______> and for a moment, I could see as supposed family I had in that world trying desperately to get me out of stasis, but they couldn't for some reason
50:51 <______> and even though I could not tell you anything about them or that world, I felt an immense feeling of sorrow and longing to be returned to them, and to this day I can still recall that same feeling.
51:17 <______> I drift in and out of sanity and reality so much it seems almost possible
51:41 <______> but it also seems like a desperate attempt at escape of my broken mind
56:26 <Halcyon> I feel like a nap
01:03 <Halcyon> I should probably mow the lawns
01:06 <Halcyon> But I can't be bothered
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38:47 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C02lvgmm4DQ
38:48 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Seinfeld- George starts smoking
38:54 <Nothing\> one of the best scenes from seinfeld ever
41:39 <Halcyon> I'm going to go have a little napo
41:39 <Halcyon> nap
41:42 <Halcyon> Back later
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18:38 <steve30> \o/
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19:04 <Halcyon> Argh fuck
19:20 <Halcyon> I spent all this time putting in a switch for my servers and such, only to realise it's not POE
19:24 <Halcyon> Farken
23:34 <steve30> I got an email from paypal telling me to Celebrate Giving Tuesday with PayPal
23:43 <steve30> I suppose they want me to give them money
25:54 <Halcyon> YAY! Free money
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30:39 <Halcyon> Shhh he's here
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36:56 <Halcyon> Why are short patch cables so damn expensive
30:54 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Kinda hard to test the new solar generation CT when there is no sun https://t.co/t3Lolm6wng
40:12 <K> hello socks
40:24 <T3sl4> klog!
40:24 <steve30> hi
40:34 <steve30> i've put some chips on
40:45 <Halcyon> Mittens
40:55 * T3sl4 pets Halcyon
40:59 <Halcyon> :)
41:21 <K> why ppl be hatin on that xmas cartoon?
43:01 <T3sl4> idunno, i guess it sucks?
46:02 <K> but it not out yer
46:14 <K> yaerrr!
48:24 <Halcyon> I'ma downloading new South Park
53:01 <K> illegalyyyyy?!?!?!111111
53:18 <Halcyon> There is no such thing as "illegal downloading" in Australia
53:32 <Halcyon> Only uploading/distribution/selling infringing copies etc...
53:55 <K> i.e. if you found a link to it, you can download w/o worries?
54:04 <Halcyon> Correct
56:29 <K> makes sense
57:32 <Halcyon> Mere downloading isn't in breach of the Copyright Act (which is a civil suit anyway)
57:48 <Halcyon> It's not a criminal matter
57:55 <T3sl4> makes more sense anyway, go after the distributor, like any other offense
58:03 <Halcyon> That's right
58:36 <Halcyon> Which is what happened with the whole Dallas Buyers Club lawsuit. They went after those uploading the movie on Bittorrent
58:58 <Halcyon> I downloaded the movie, just because I could, not that I've ever watched it
59:08 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://i.imgur.com/Iu899m9.jpg
59:52 <Halcyon> Hahah I like it
06:54 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uEmX5XClPY
06:54 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: The cheap Chinese bulb that won't turn off
06:58 <Halcyon> Oldie but a goodie
07:30 <T3sl4> leakage
07:51 <Halcyon> Yessum
08:01 <Halcyon> Pretty amazing though
08:20 <T3sl4> related problem, with a lamp dimmer
09:00 <T3sl4> often the lamp(s) blink rather than glow, depends on the controller type
09:59 <T3sl4> put in a normal (incandescent) to bleed off the leakage, stops the passive glow / blinking
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