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00:54:53 <Kuschelpony> good sunday
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02:14:01 <T3sl4> mornin Kuschelpony
02:14:14 <Kuschelpony> good evening
02:15:06 <Kuschelpony> hope you are doing well
02:16:16 <T3sl4> yep :)
02:17:30 <Kuschelpony> i found something interesting for the SEPIC friends :)
02:17:33 <Kuschelpony> http://www.diytube.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6408
02:17:34 <EEVBot> [Title] - Not Acceptable!
02:18:31 <T3sl4> hah
02:18:40 <T3sl4> thems some big inductors
02:19:09 <Kuschelpony> hmm, looks like EI30 to me, not what i call huge
02:19:51 <T3sl4> 100s mH?
02:20:04 <Kuschelpony> oh you meant the vaue, i meant the physical size
02:21:56 <T3sl4> maybe even more like EE20, but the tall kind
02:22:53 <Kuschelpony> i did use EI30 or was ist EE30 20 years ago when i had a surplus paket of perhaps exacvtly the same line filter chockes
02:23:08 <Kuschelpony> material N27 so decent for operation upto something 40kHz
02:23:26 <Kuschelpony> totally miss these parted coil formers
02:28:36 <T3sl4> not easy to find, or in more than 2 sections. basically just, 3D print your own these days
02:30:28 <Kuschelpony> i already did a few :) but its a bad shape to get it well
02:30:59 <Kuschelpony> some day in winter lockdown i might print a mold form and try to mold coil formers in epoxy
02:33:38 <Kuschelpony> seeyou back in about an hour, im off for a while
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03:33:01 <Kuschelpony> and back
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04:27:59 <arch> fucking hell, cant get any decent switching controllers for less than $3/pop. wtf
04:28:18 <arch> the same controllers that were going for half the price 2 years ago
04:34:46 <arch> what the fuck. so many popular ICs are out of stock
04:35:06 <arch> i really dont want to have to resort to using ebay to buy chips
04:35:39 <Kuschelpony> yeah
04:42:53 * T3sl4 waves 3842s in front of arch
04:43:17 <arch> it's a good thing i have a good stockpile of 2843 and 3843s, both salvaged and bought
04:43:35 <arch> well over 100 total, although i have only used a handful in my builds lol
04:43:44 <T3sl4> nice
04:44:08 <arch> i also have the 50% duty cycle models, i think those are the 3844 and 2844s
04:44:16 <arch> but not many of those, maybe around 40
04:44:16 <T3sl4> ye
04:44:56 <arch> T3sl4, do you have a guide on biasing the 3843's current sense pin for reduced power dissipation?
04:45:11 <T3sl4> no, why does it need a huide
04:45:23 <Kuschelpony> arch, yes
04:45:43 <arch> because there's a slope comp resistor, not sure if and how that affects anything
04:45:46 <Kuschelpony> 284. extended temperature, 384. commercial temperature
04:46:12 <Kuschelpony> ...2 and ...4 UVLO starting at 16V
04:46:22 <Kuschelpony> ...3 and ....5 starting at 10V
04:46:32 <Kuschelpony> ...2 and ...3 100% durtycycle
04:46:35 <arch> has anyone done a scientific study on if the commercial vs extended temperature chips differ in reliability?
04:46:47 <T3sl4> between slope comp or just biasing it up with an R from vref, easy
04:46:51 <Kuschelpony> ...4 and ...5 50% duty cycle (has flipflop to skip alternating cycles)
04:47:42 <arch> if the price difference is less than 10%, i buy the extended temp range models
04:50:16 <arch> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/uc3843-questions/msg616706/#msg616706
04:50:17 <EEVBot> [Title] - UC3843 questions - Page 1
04:52:24 <arch> i do have some smd current sense trafos as well, so i could use the suggestion you posted above as well
04:57:51 <Kuschelpony> some humor: https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/1638115453214-png.293260/
05:33:20 <Kuschelpony> just smiling about an historic curiosity:
05:33:50 <Kuschelpony> 120 years ago, xray images were really hard work for doctors in rural villages
05:34:09 <Kuschelpony> 10 minutes cranking a large wimshurst machine
05:40:56 <arch> buff doctors
05:41:15 <arch> you don't need a tank on your team if the healer is the tank *taps forehead*
05:41:17 <T3sl4> you'd be cranky
05:42:42 * arch cranks T3sl4
05:42:56 <T3sl4> ooooer
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05:51:31 <watcher> Hello
05:51:58 <rust_collector_> HELLO!
05:52:17 <rust_collector_> heh, banned again
05:59:34 <rust_collector_> https://ibb.co/0h04PSG this made 2 of us think of halcyon....
05:59:35 <EEVBot> [Title] - msg1533281535-111729 — ImgBB
06:00:22 <T3sl4> docking?
06:00:57 <watcher> i dont see way.
06:01:05 <watcher> why
06:14:47 <rust_collector_> why not?
06:14:51 <rust_collector_> but, good night
06:15:00 <watcher> sleep well
06:15:19 <rust_collector_> you too, when you do that
06:15:44 <watcher> rust_collector_ maybe I now halcyon good enough for that joke
06:16:36 <rust_collector_> oh no! you should probably try a light lobotomy, that can help, in some cases
06:16:56 <watcher> i dont have that in house
06:17:09 <T3sl4> i'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than, uh, well now that you mention it
06:17:26 <rust_collector_> but, yes, have fun, and stuff, and good night
06:17:36 <watcher> sleep well
06:17:40 <T3sl4> don't die, etc o/
06:17:53 <rust_collector_> you too, when you do that
06:21:59 <DHess_US> November 3, 2021, San Diego, County Board of Supervisors meeting. Dr Youngblood MD
06:22:07 <DHess_US> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD0nwFHJPuw
06:22:07 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: November 3, 2021, San Diego, County Board of Supervisors meeting. Dr Youngblood MD
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08:56:22 <Nothing\> i was just thinking, i need to get in on some news based RSS feeds
08:56:40 <Nothing\> don't some bit torrent clients double as RSS clients?
08:57:22 <Nothing\> but i mean, every morning i wake up, (try to) take a crap, and read the news on the phone while i do it, i'll just hop on google news, like
08:58:00 <DHess_US> This keeps getting funnier and funnier, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSIvd2PB2pA
08:58:01 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Drex and Rekieta Wind Down Friday
08:58:06 <Nothing\> but 99% of the stuff on there is so depressing. I dunno if it's just because it's google news, or if that's the news in general or what but i'd like to try to tune my intake of news to be less depressing
08:58:32 <Nothing\> i don't even know if RSS is still a thing. I haven't used it in about 15 years.
09:08:12 <Nothing\> i dunno why, i've had this craving to play that old click and point game on NES, Shadowgate
09:08:25 <Nothing\> that game had such an amazing soundtrack
09:09:27 <Nothing\> actually i should DL some midis of the soundtrack. I've got a program called synthesia that shows you sheet music or just what keys to press on a midi keyboard for any instrument track in a midi file so you can learn to play any midi song on the piano, it's really useful.
09:09:42 <Nothing\> i used to have hundreds of midis, all video game music
09:09:54 <Nothing\> but we all know what happened to things i used to have on my computer
09:14:15 <Nothing\> lol i really need to work on my inhibition
09:14:37 <Nothing\> just sat explaining in detail the state i left the toilet in after my adventures last night to my mom just as she's getting ready to eat dinner
09:14:45 <Nothing\> i didn't even think anything of it
09:15:24 <Nothing\> i watch surgeries and graphic medical procedures like debridement of infected wounds and stuff while i eat. It doesn't bug me. I guess I just forget that's not normal lol.
09:16:49 <Nothing\> oh yeah, funny little factoid i found out today
09:17:08 <Nothing\> Trump or his companies, have been involved in a total of 1,450 lawsuits, just as defendants
09:17:22 <Nothing\> another 1600 or so as the plaintiff, i forget the exact figure
09:18:14 <Nothing\> there were even lawsuits in there relating to epstein. Women alleging they were victims of epstein and forced to have sex with trump. Though a lot, if not all of those seemed to have been dismissed or dropped.
09:18:55 <Nothing\> but i guess michael cohen (trump's former attorney) is saying if they indicted him tomorrow, they'd have enough evidence to win. But they're making damn sure they're gonna make this stick.
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09:30:59 <Nothing\> Look Sigmund, look in the sky! The planets are on fire! It is just as you prophesied! The planets of our solar system incinerating! Like flaming globes, Sigmund! Like Flaming globes! AHAHAAHAHA
09:54:00 <jaymax> RSS is very much still a thing Nothing\ - intergrates with YouTube well, and other streaming services support it in some capacity as well. Not to mention all the classic news sites, Substack, etc.
09:54:19 <jaymax> I'm an RSS whore
09:54:35 <Nothing\> interesting. I didn't even think of it applying to YouTube. But yeha I guess you could use it for all social media couldn't you.
09:55:26 <Nothing\> just one more way for them to spam you any time anything happens on your profile. Like Facebook sending you emails and text messages or phone notifications and Lord knows what else if somebody clicks like on a reply to one of your comments
09:55:38 <jaymax> Pretty well. There's a bot for twitter, Twit2RSS if you want to follow schlubs that don't post anywhere else.
09:55:39 <Nothing\> lol
09:56:00 <Nothing\> honestly, the number of times i've been on twitter is in the single digits
09:56:14 <Nothing\> i tried twitch once and uninstalled it almost immediately
09:56:19 <Nothing\> and i'm still not even sure what it is
09:56:27 <Nothing\> livestream/chat?
09:56:36 <Nothing\> video game streaming?
09:56:42 <jaymax> Re: spam you any time .... well, with an RSS client, you collate what you want, so you *cut out* all the peripheral shit.
09:56:49 <Nothing\> i'm just so out of touch with pop culture
09:56:55 <jaymax> No notifications, your control
09:57:02 <Nothing\> that's pretty cool
09:57:18 <Nothing\> it's cool that they're still relevant after so long too
09:57:31 <Nothing\> i mean they've probably been around going well back into the 90s
09:57:39 <Nothing\> rss streams
09:57:54 <jaymax> It's so basic that it's hard to kill. Like IRC servers.
09:57:54 <Nothing\> actually, i could see it being useful for steam too
09:58:03 <Nothing\> keeping up to date with the discussion pages for games
09:58:22 <Nothing\> which are basically forums, but they're called discussions in steam
09:58:46 <Nothing\> hrm i see lots of potential here, jaymax
09:59:24 <Nothing\> keeping up with the eevblog forums, or other EE type feeds
10:00:11 <Nothing\> oh yeah, i should play shadowgate before i forget
10:00:25 <Nothing\> been meaning to play this for like a week but i keep forgetting when i'm on the computer
10:00:26 <jaymax> Most boring secret that stays that way unfortunately, because people are largely drawn to crackrock sites like Facebook.
10:00:48 <jaymax> Don't even notice the alternative.
10:01:53 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - NEW EEVblog Video! EEVblog 1440 - Pentax Film Camera TEARDOWN https://t.co/EKSoHLEJ26
10:02:21 <Nothing\> oh man
10:02:26 <Nothing\> i had the weirdest dream last night
10:02:36 <Nothing\> i was reading a neurology textbook
10:03:15 <Nothing\> which is so weird because i never have dreams about studying or anything like that. But the cool thing is how detailed the pages were. I was even able to recreate a few of the diagrams from it. Which seemed halfway accurate.
10:03:33 <Nothing\> actually i just remembered another, i should go jot it down right quick
10:03:39 <jaymax> I think I was bushcrafting for a bit until I was dropped into the 1940's or some shit.
10:04:18 <jaymax> Probably reflective of how I feel about society these days.
10:08:41 <jaymax> It did tangentially spurr me to take a peek at BTC-USD prices this past year, and the suppositions of futures and options by Grayscale and Bakkt are accurate. They often drive the market down, and those movements are limited to the third and fourth weeks of every month.
10:09:05 <Nothing\> that reminds me
10:09:12 <jaymax> Very rare for the bitcoin market to drop 5% on the first week of the month.
10:09:30 <Nothing\> i read a story in the news about this guy from hamilton, he conned people out of something like $46 million in cryptocurrency
10:09:39 <Nothing\> they didn't say which, but i'm guessing not bitcoin
10:10:01 <Nothing\> was wanted by the FBI and everything
10:10:09 <jaymax> That'd be QuadrigaCX - IIRC he grew up in Nova Scotia.
10:10:27 <jaymax> IIRC his childish videos are still on YouTube.
10:10:28 <Nothing\> huh, yeah i more or less just glanced through the article
10:10:33 <Nothing\> huh
10:14:15 <Nothing\> bah i'm so scatterbrained
10:14:19 <Nothing\> i dunno what to do with myself
10:14:54 <Nothing\> i tried playing comet64 (a zachlike, a puzzle game where you solve puzzles with programming or some other type of algorithm based system)
10:15:25 <Nothing\> and normally i have no problem solving the puzzles. At least no more than your average player. But today I just couldn't even start to tackle the problems.
10:16:22 <Nothing\> like a fairly simple one where you're given a string of number and you basically have to do input mod 4 but without having an explicit modulo operator, just division
10:16:49 <Nothing\> and i know i've done the problem before months ago so i know i'm capable of it, but i just had nothing
10:18:46 <jaymax> Found his (QuadrigaCX founder Gerald Cotten) youtube account. https://www.youtube.com/user/Gerryrulz
10:21:20 <Nothing\> ah right on
10:21:55 <Nothing\> i think i may just play gran turismo 6
10:22:25 <Nothing\> i went to play exapunks but realized i need to read a 21 page piece of documentation just to get started and it's a struggle just for me to read 1 page, nevermind 21
10:22:48 <Nothing\> and if i'm mustering up the energy to read that much at once, it's gonna be something a lot more productive than for a video game
10:25:51 <Nothing\> awesome
10:25:52 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WC0HyxbI90
10:25:52 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: SpaceX Launch The DART Spacecraft to Avenge The Dinosaurs & Other Deep Space Updates
10:26:02 <Nothing\> first ever interplanetary defense mission, in real life
10:44:21 <jaymax> Speaking of RSS, this was in my feed. I'd be concerned except it's already coming out that it's much milder than what we've already seen. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/omicron-variant-canada-travellers-1.6265927?cmp=rss
10:44:21 <EEVBot> [Title] - Canada's first cases of the omicron coronavirus variant confirmed in Ottawa | CBC News
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11:00:07 <Nothing\> hey i just got an idea for a medical device
11:00:58 <Nothing\> a force sensor you can implant in a filling, or maybe something like a small device you attach to the surface of a tooth, that measures how much a patient clenches their teeth in a more quantitative way
11:01:54 <Nothing\> i guess you'd need some sort of driver and memory to log the data but how big can something like that be when you get as bare bones as possible with the packaging while still keeping it hermetically sealed
11:02:04 <steve30> sounds interesting, but would they be able to make it small enough with an antenna?
11:02:12 <steve30> actually, they probably could
11:02:26 <Nothing\> hrm yeah i hadn't considered that
11:02:35 <Nothing\> see initially i was just considering the size of the force sensor
11:03:15 <Nothing\> i dunno, i'm not sure how small such things can be made
11:03:45 <Nothing\> i mean i'd imagine you could just use one of those tiny MCUs like what you usually see under a blob of epoxy
11:04:25 <Nothing\> either that or have an ASIC with a more specific function, but i wouldn't imagine that would cut the size down significantly. Especially not enough to justify the cost of an ASIC
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13:26:19 <Nothing\> cool
13:26:22 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJc-Dkvh4Q8
13:26:23 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Look Mum no wires! These wireless LEDs will blow your mind!
13:26:36 <Nothing\> totally want some of these now too
14:15:12 * steve30 needs to go to the shops this morning
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15:43:57 <Halcyon> OK, so I sort of have internet
15:52:27 <steve30> yay
15:53:23 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - RT @ronscompvids: @eevblog If only there had been some sort of warning sign! https://t.co/Cy4OjyoWex
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17:35:58 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Was talking to a nice maskless checkout lady at the supermarket who said she's been reported to the police (not to… https://t.co/y8LxUXIujx
17:37:35 <steve30> re ^, I don't know what the situation is in australia, but here when masks were law, it was a police matter if someone wasn't wearing one.
17:38:06 <steve30> Some shop managements don't want to deal with it as it is quite likely that the person not wearing a mask is not comitting an offense anyway
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17:55:10 <Halcyon> Stupid fucking NBN!
17:55:26 <steve30> I thought you'd been eaten by the omicronians
17:55:53 <Halcyon> They replaced the line, completely ran a new one from the nearest joint to my house
17:55:59 <Halcyon> But the pit is still full of water
17:56:10 <steve30> hmm
17:56:10 <Halcyon> I can't hold onto VDSL2 sync
17:56:17 <steve30> do you have an LTE modem as a backup?
17:56:26 <Halcyon> Nope I'm using my phone at the moment
17:56:42 <Halcyon> I mean I have a modem, but I don't have a second SIM I can use for data
17:56:45 <Halcyon> I need to look at that
17:57:28 <steve30> i've found my lte modem quite good as a backup
17:57:31 <Halcyon> I was contemplating Starlink as a backup
17:57:54 <Halcyon> 5G plans are quite expensive (for the amount of data you get)
17:57:56 <steve30> that might be a good idea if the price is OK
17:58:23 <Halcyon> The monthly fee is OK, but the initial $800 is a bit of a kick in the balls
17:58:47 <steve30> how much is 5G?
17:59:30 <Halcyon> Just having a look now, on my phone I pay $45/month for 80GB (shaped thereafter)
17:59:51 <Halcyon> But you can't get a second "data share" SIM on the same account as it's a residential plan
18:00:10 <Halcyon> The smallest business plan is $55/month for 40GB
18:01:22 <steve30> I have a data sim which gives 200MB per month for free, then 1p per MB thereafter. Which is OK for backup IRC etc but not really good enough for video
18:01:35 <Halcyon> I'd chew through 200 MB in seconds
18:01:57 <Halcyon> We don't pay for excess data here, but it's shaped to something like 1.5 Mbps
18:02:02 <steve30> I can these days, but its OK for emergency IRC :)
18:06:26 <steve30> anyway, i have to go out in the cold to get food
18:07:29 <Halcyon> What you getting?
18:10:22 * Halcyon smacks Ampera with a soggy copper cable
18:10:37 * Halcyon smacks T3sl4 with the other half that snapped off
18:22:28 <steve30> i was getting food but my bike is out of order so i'm going without
18:22:49 <Halcyon> What's wrong?
18:22:58 <Halcyon> Shall I just order takeout to your house Steve ? :P
18:23:08 <steve30> stuck brake
18:23:21 <steve30> both my bikes need significant work doing on them
18:26:06 <steve30> i hate working on bikes
18:26:30 <steve30> i was trying to do stuff on one last week and literally started smashing the dodgy parts with a hammer out of anger
18:27:02 <Halcyon> No wonder it's stuck
18:27:03 <Halcyon> :P
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18:50:46 <T3sl4> Halcyon!
18:50:58 <Halcyon> \o/
18:51:20 <Halcyon> I'm on 5G now, I got sick of waiting for my internet string to dry out
19:50:51 <K> hello snowmelts
19:53:05 <Halcyon> Hello salt spray
19:53:41 * K stains Halcyons shoes
19:56:32 <Halcyon> :) How are you K?
19:57:39 <K> im foine
19:57:48 <Halcyon> :)
19:57:48 <K> gots me 3rd dose saturday
19:57:53 <Halcyon> Oh noice.
19:57:58 <Halcyon> Extra 5G
19:58:04 <K> was a bit crumpled yesterday, today is fine
19:58:14 <Halcyon> To be expected I suppose
19:58:33 <K> ye, they say moderna has most chance of crumples
19:59:20 <K> first two pfizers didnt have any
19:59:59 <Halcyon> I had the Moderna for my third, had nil reaction
20:00:06 <Halcyon> Same with the first two Pfizers
20:00:08 <Halcyon> Nothing at all
20:00:17 <Halcyon> Maybe they were dud?
20:00:24 <steve30> apparently everyone over 18 will be eligible for jab 3 fom this week
20:00:42 <Halcyon> I'll be due for my 4th (if that's a thing) soon
20:00:54 <Halcyon> But our cases keep dropping which is nice
20:01:30 <Halcyon> We has 150 in the last 24 hours
20:01:30 <K> chances are 4th will be with newer base strain
20:01:57 <steve30> i haven't had a 1st yet so can't be anywhere near due for a 3rd yet
20:02:06 <Halcyon> Get on it Steve
20:02:19 <Halcyon> Although did you see what happened to Fran ?
20:02:28 <steve30> You can have mine.
20:02:38 <Halcyon> Since when are you an anti-vaxxer?
20:02:55 <Halcyon> It ain't going to hurt you, the needle itself is the worst part
20:04:28 <steve30> Since I ceased to have any trust in the medical profession.
20:04:36 <Halcyon> That's silly
20:04:54 <Halcyon> Just because your medical system let you down, doesn't mean you should throw all medicine and science out the window
20:05:05 <Halcyon> If that were the case, the USA would be farked
20:06:42 <Halcyon> Anyway, if anything, this who ordeal has given me faith in our medical system. I have never ever had the flu shot before, but I'll start taking it from next year.
20:06:56 <Halcyon> I'll take anything that will make me stronger.
20:07:10 <steve30> Statistically my chances of being ill with coronavirus are very low. I have been going out of my way to mix with other people over the last 18 months, and my Mum works in a hospital, and I've been fine, so that, combined with us having a crappy medical system, like with other diseases, I'm happy to chance it.
20:07:36 <Halcyon> Why chance it though when there is a simple fix which works most of the time?
20:07:48 <Halcyon> Costs nothing but a bit of time
20:08:00 <Halcyon> And maybe a sore arm and feeling cruddy for 12 hours?
20:08:21 <steve30> I can feel cruddy for 12 hours /without/ having a vaccine
20:08:46 <Halcyon> I'd much rather catch COVID with nil to mild symptoms than to catch it and end up on a ventillator.
20:09:24 <Halcyon> Or worse yet, you could wake up dead
20:09:27 <Halcyon> That would be fucked
20:10:00 <Halcyon> I've managed to avoid ever going to hospital, I don't intend on starting now
20:11:05 <Halcyon> But anyway, you do you
20:12:48 <K> one thing is that if even you do not have symptoms there is a bigger chance you could spread it to other people
20:13:00 <K> all in all it is statistics game
20:13:12 <Halcyon> It's not about the symptoms
20:13:40 <Halcyon> It's about whether you have antibodies or not, and/or what other precautions you take (i.e.: Masks, hand washing etc...)
20:13:50 <Halcyon> Same as any other virus. This one isn't particularly special.
20:14:14 <K> no i meant that vaccine slows down multiplication and spread of virus
20:14:16 <Halcyon> It's the same with the common cold, you are most contagious when you are pre-symtomatic
20:14:40 <K> ok, maybe it is more complicated
20:15:01 <Halcyon> Well your body does that because it learns the vectors from the vaccine. The vaccine itself is very short-lived in the body. After a few weeks or so, it's completely gone. Your immune system does the rest.
20:15:58 <Halcyon> These morons that go on about "long term effects" of vaccines clearly don't understand that they don't just float around your body forever and a day.
20:16:28 <Halcyon> It'
20:16:39 <Halcyon> It's not like lead, it doesn't accumulate or have lasting issues
20:18:06 <K> their arguent is that vaccine puts your body in state that is harmfull to itself in long-term
20:19:19 <K> but that does not work either, because the mechanism of how antibodies/t-cells and stuff is made is same as the body does it
20:20:03 <Halcyon> Your body is exposed to viruses and bacteria every day
20:20:38 <Halcyon> So it's hardly an excuse. Vaccines just expose your body to things that it might not ordinarily come across, or, you want to build immunity to it before you do so.
20:21:07 <K> but there is aluminum it it!
20:21:13 <T3sl4> steve30 still isn't vaccinated? well i guess he's not much of a contaigion risk but that's still pretty fuckin stupid to want to get long-haul symptoms
20:21:16 <K> and mercury!
20:21:49 <Halcyon> K: Adds more flavour :P
20:21:53 * T3sl4 puts mercury on K's aluminum
20:22:04 <K> as long as it is not bismuth
20:22:17 <K> or which one was bad for alu?
20:22:38 <T3sl4> https://imgur.com/gallery/69vTBVC
20:22:38 <EEVBot> [Title] - Rise Little Precious One - GIF on Imgur
20:22:42 <T3sl4> gallium too
20:24:46 <Halcyon> At the end of the day, people should listen to 100's of years of medical science and experts, rather than crackpots on the Facebooks or some random loon on the street.
20:25:19 <Halcyon> I've never understood that: "Oh, science is wrong, but I'll just take these drugs I bought off some nice bloke in a club"
20:25:23 <Halcyon> Yeh well done dickhead.
20:56:20 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - RT @voltagex: OK, this changelog is good. https://t.co/HlYOzDhUmP
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23:25:11 <jaymax> Where's mah colloidal silver?
23:25:40 <K> Ampera drank it all
23:25:53 <Ampera> I did bitch
23:25:57 * Ampera burps fixer on jaymax
23:25:58 <jaymax> Figures
23:26:16 <T3sl4> Ampera: how are you, bitch?
23:26:21 * jaymax gives Ampera a golden shower
23:26:26 <Ampera> I'm great dickhead, how are you
23:26:36 <T3sl4> fantastic :)
23:26:37 <K> hello great dickhead, i am K
23:26:51 <K> (badu-tisshhh)
23:26:57 <T3sl4> oh, K
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