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04:40 <electrohead> o/
04:53 * Ampera hugs electrohead 
04:59 <Ampera> how are you doing friend?
06:21 <electrohead> tired, come do stuff for me lol
06:38 <Ampera> I'll do you good, son
06:49 <electrohead> lmao
06:55 <electrohead> sup n stuff
07:07 <Ampera> writing a test plan
07:16 <Ampera> well, more of a test outline
08:08 <electrohead> fun stuff
08:18 <K> read that as "wilting a test plan"
08:35 <Ampera> reading up on ACLs, as I need to actually learn how they work one of these days
09:03 <Ampera> also working bit by bit on writing new multitenant configs for like 26 wikis
11:16 <electrohead> sounds fun
11:30 <Ampera> it is
11:41 <Ampera> but I have a lot of projects that all need to be completed, and I keep thinking up ways to add more
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58:28 <electrohead> finish one project, add five more
02:58 <Ampera> at least I'm actually finishing projects
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03:04 <Ampera> for me it used to give up on one project, add five more
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32:34 * Nothing\ sighs
32:55 <Nothing\> much as i'd hate to, i think i may have to bite the proverbial bullet and go to the hospital
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33:04 <Nothing\> this pain is just too fucking unreasonable
33:11 <Nothing\> not to mention unrelenting
33:49 <Nothing\> i've narrowed the cause down to probable colitis, I just don't know what would be causing it in the first place
34:41 <Nothing\> but i mean, i've been in agony almost every day for over a month and have been waiting that month to see my doctor
35:12 <Nothing\> then all they're gonna do is refer me to somebody else, which is gonna take months to get in just for my intake appointment
35:45 <Nothing\> nevermind to schedul a colonoscopy and then wait the several months you have to wait for such a procedure
36:00 <Nothing\> and i'd sooner die than put up with this for that long
36:27 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
36:30 <Nothing\> my only alternative is to go to the hosital and wait 6+ hours to see a doctor and hope they can scope her there
36:38 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera 
36:41 <Nothing\> hey man
36:51 <Ampera> go to a hospital. Either you wait 6 hours where you are now, or you wait 6 hours there
36:56 <Ampera> in the end, you may get what you need
37:03 <Ampera> also, aren't hospitals free there?
37:14 <Nothing\> free doesn't mean good
37:23 <Ampera> I never said good
37:28 <Ampera> I said better than sitting there in pain doing nothing
37:37 <Nothing\> frankly i'm planning on going to a hospital near toronto
38:03 <Nothing\> since if my life ever depended on this hospital here, i'd be genuinely terrified for my safety due to their negligence
40:00 <steve30> Doctors seem to treat people over the internet now here.
40:09 <steve30> Maybe they could do a virtual colonoscopy with a webcam :)
41:03 * Ampera pets the steve30 
41:09 * steve30 purrs
41:35 <Ampera> <3
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35:53 <Halcyon> Morning all
36:05 <Halcyon> Ampera, I got my Nazi cameras
36:20 <Ampera> http://imgur.com/a/oKiUd1P
36:23 <Ampera> I got this
36:30 <Sigyn> nazi cameras?
36:50 <Halcyon> Sigyn, I bought a bunch of Axis CCTV cameras
37:14 <Halcyon> Chicken?
37:24 <Halcyon> Pork? I can't really tell
37:29 <Halcyon> But the spices look good
38:06 <Ampera> the fuck kinda chickens you got down there
38:11 <Ampera> it's ribeye steak
38:38 <Halcyon> Well when it's cooked brown meat with stuff on it, it could be farken anything
38:46 <Halcyon> Oh there you go, mmmm beef
38:58 <Halcyon> I also just woke up, so forgive me
40:32 <Ampera> http://imgur.com/gallery/buCJ9V7
40:46 <Halcyon> Looks yummy
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50:44 <Halcyon> Anyway, I'm going to work. Have a nice day/night everyone
56:51 <DHess_US> Nazi cameras are terrible. They can not see anything.
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05:47 <DHess_US> https://imgur.com/gallery/ZtMkX2p
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30:37 <Nothing\> lolo
30:53 <Nothing\> i think i found the most unlikely remedy for my unrelenting bowel pains
31:00 <Nothing\> benedryl
31:50 <Nothing\> i figured if a cholinergic drug like nicotine causes bowel contractions, and the pain is being caused by excessive contractions, then it would stand to reason an anticholinergic drug would slow them down.
32:12 <Nothing\> and sure enough half an hour after taking a benadryl, i was starting to get better
32:31 <Nothing\> i'm gonna see about getting some scopolamine patches so i can just slap a patch on and forget about it
32:51 <Nothing\> and scopolamine's a much stronger anticholinergic
34:29 <Nothing\> i figured out what's causing all of this pain though finally, i think
35:33 <Nothing\> don't ask how i know, but i'm still passing the ton of laxatives i took back on the weekend. So I figure it's getting hung up because contents move through my GI tract so slowly, and then it all hits my bowels at once and just ramps em into overdrive.
36:12 <Nothing\> the fact that i'm actually regular despite having no laxatives since the weekend also indicates to me that they're still working since i'm NEVER regular naturally
37:15 <Nothing\> but yeah it just amazes me. Who'd have thought, benadryl for bowel cramps
37:19 <Nothing\> works like a charm
37:50 <Nothing\> just makes me sleepy so i'm thinking of trying motion sickness tablets instead since they're the exact same drug, but with a mild stimulant added to counteract the drowsiness
44:20 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
44:38 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera 
44:40 <Ampera> Benadrylling myself to sleep is tempting
44:42 <Nothing\> hey man, how you doing?
44:51 <Ampera> but I'm slightly wary from last time I took any, as I was on it for a week straight
44:57 <Ampera> gave me a splitting headache for a few days
45:19 <Nothing\> that'd be from low bp
45:34 <Nothing\> if you'd have taken a small amount of caffeine with it, it would have likely fixed the problem
45:48 <Ampera> interesting
45:50 <Ampera> I'll keep that in mind
46:28 <Nothing\> see, drugs like benadryl relax smooth muscles, ie muscles we don't have conscious control over like the detrussor muscle and urinary sphincter (in males anyways) and muscles in your arteries, right
46:47 <Nothing\> in general, any sedating drug will do this. But that's just a general rule of thumb, not the standard.
47:16 <Nothing\> but anyways, this relaxation causes the arteries in and around your brain to dilate, which puts pressure on surrounding tissues
47:46 <Nothing\> now you have no pain receptors in your brain itself, but you do have them in the layers surrounding the brain, which is where the headaches of this mechanism usually originate
48:37 <Nothing\> so by taking caffeine, you're essentially "tickling" certain, i believe they're adrenergic receptors but don't quote me on that, but the end effect is a constriction of blood vessels
49:14 <Nothing\> that's why for a lot of headache relief medications, like excedrine, you'll see they put a small amount of caffeine in them
49:40 <Nothing\> or here, we have very weak codeine preperations that are sold over the counter, and they come with 15mg of caffeine per pill
49:41 <Ampera> caffeine is a regular medication I stock
49:47 <Ampera> so that might be an easy fix
49:52 <Nothing\> it really is quite useful for many things
50:03 <Ampera> I typically use it to amplify the effects of aspirin+paracetamol
50:38 <Nothing\> again don't quote me on this as it could be a matter of life and death, but i've heard caffeine can actually work as a brochodilator, as well
50:48 <Nothing\> which off the top of my head, the pharmacology checks out
50:56 <Nothing\> but i've never read anything specifically saying so
51:27 <Nothing\> which is to say, caffeine is like a mild version of albuterol or salbutamol if you've ever had asthma or known anyone with a lung disease
51:46 <Nothing\> it works to open up the lungs in the event of an asthma attack or in cases of COPD
52:38 <Nothing\> incidentally, the drugs also utilize adrenergic receptors to relax the muscles in the alveoli and help them to open up
54:04 <Nothing\> it's weird though because there are some adrenergic drugs, like clonidine, which activate some subtypes of adrenergic receptors, i forget which subtype exactly but i don't think it matters for this coversation. But instead of causing stimulation, it causes sedation.
54:31 <Nothing\> which i'm still not entirely sure how that works. Because it doesn't block the receptors and prevent adrenaline from binding to them, which is what i initially thought.
54:48 <Nothing\> it actually binds to this specific subtype which has these effects
55:04 <Nothing\> it's actually prescribed as a medication to lower blood pressure
06:49 <steve30> I like reading Nothing\'s medical lectures :)
07:02 <Nothing\> i like that you like it
07:06 <steve30> I think I've been using the diphenhydramine a bit too much recently
07:29 <Nothing\> i love nothing more than sharing my love for interesting facts and just knowledge and learning in general with others
07:39 <Nothing\> doubly so when the love is reciprocal
07:51 <Nothing\> steve30, it can cause constipation when used in excess
08:13 <Nothing\> and surprisingly i found that chronic use is associated with cognitive decline in general, and early death in the elderly
08:25 <Nothing\> lemme dig up the paper
08:47 <Nothing\> actually this is a bit of a tangent
09:19 <Nothing\> but now that i think about it, and i could be mistaken, but i believe diphenhydramine was the basis for the discovery of prozac and related SSRI antidepressants
09:33 <Nothing\> but i'll have to look that up to double check it since i read that years ago and could be misremembering
10:23 <Nothing\> actually just looking at the two molecules, it seems diphenhydramine DOES indeed provide a backbone for prozac
10:33 <Nothing\> here's diphenhydramine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Diphenhydramine_2D_skeletal.svg
10:34 <EEVBot> [Title] - File:Diphenhydramine 2D skeletal.svg - Wikipedia
10:47 <Nothing\> and prozac: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoxetine#/media/File:Fluoxetine.svg
10:51 <EEVBot> [Title] - Fluoxetine - Wikipedia
11:25 <steve30> I did read somewhere that prozac came about from diphenhydramine
11:58 <Nothing\> aha so i'm not imagining things
12:37 <steve30> I remember reading about it some years ago when I was taking prozac and was wondering if there were any interactions between the two
12:40 <Nothing\> but man, if you follow the breadcrumb trail re: synthesis of these drugs and where the precursors to the precursors etc come from
13:07 <Nothing\> in other words, where raw initial material for making synthetic drugs comes from
13:13 <Nothing\> in most cases, it's petroleum
13:24 <Nothing\> either petroleum, or some plant
14:19 <Nothing\> steve30, off the top of my head i don't believe there would be. But there is a potentially deadly reaction which case take place between SSRIs like prozac and the DM in cough syrup
14:46 <Nothing\> i doubt it would happen at therapeutic doses of DM, but I knew people who used to abuse it and they got nasty side effects
15:05 <steve30> Well, i took both numerous times and was fine :)
15:21 <Nothing\> i abused it myself even. Well before i knew anything about drugs cuz i was on zoloft and didn't even know it was an SSRI or the risk i was putting myself at
15:47 <Nothing\> steve30, yeah i mean the difference between a therapeutic and recreational dose of DM can be as much as 2 orders of magnitude
15:47 <steve30> Hardly ever used any sleeping pills when I took Venlafaxine though as that made me a bit drowsy itself
16:33 <Nothing\> yeah venflafaxine is along the same lines as things like zoloft or paxil
17:00 <Nothing\> it's not an SSRI though but rather an SNRI, where it block reuptake of norepinphrine instead of serotonin
17:38 <Nothing\> reuptake being the process of your brain cells essentially collecting active neurotransmitters and saving them for later, rather than having to produce more from scratch
18:03 <Nothing\> the idea being if you can prevent reuptake, the neurotransmitters can stay bound for longer
19:30 <Nothing\> i've heard of some new classes of antidepressants they're working on recently, though i can't for the life of me recall the details of the mechanism. I just recall they were wholly novel compared to the standard treatments now.
20:11 <steve30> My chemist always spoke highly of mirtazipine, although i never tried it
20:21 <Nothing\> i've also heard of some serious studies being conducted on using psilocybin (the hallucinogen in magic mushrooms), LSD, ketamine or MDMA (ecstacy) to treat depression
20:42 <Nothing\> which, if there's something to it would be great because such therapies only require a one time dose
20:52 <Nothing\> or at most, several times
21:03 <Nothing\> steve30, yeah my shrink wanted to put me on that
21:05 <steve30> I've heard about something ketamine based
22:06 <Nothing\> but after effexor (venlafaxine) made me have a psychotic break and think there was a small, molevolent man living inside my eyeball who i could see peering out through my pupil and making menacing gestures at me every time i looked in the mirror
22:32 <Nothing\> and that was the last i even took pyschotropic drugs for mental health
22:41 <Nothing\> i realized they just cause me more problems than they help
22:44 <steve30> lol
22:52 <Nothing\> much like everything in the mental health field, tbh
23:04 <steve30> What dose did you have?
23:26 <Nothing\> oh i can't remember, 75mg seems to ring a bell
23:32 <Nothing\> my brother, the dumb shit takes 600mg
23:43 <Nothing\> and abuses it, even though it has no abuse potential
23:52 <Nothing\> but he's convinced it makes him "manic"
24:13 <Nothing\> when in reality his "manic" spells are just times when he gets his clonazepam filled and he's able to abuse it
24:28 <Nothing\> then blames the effects of abuse on his mental illness
24:47 <steve30> Venlafaxine made me quite constipated. I stopped it for a few days and going to the toilet felt amazing :)
24:56 <Nothing\> which i know, because i've done the same thing myself back in the day and we think very much alike. doubly so with us both being active addicts
25:35 <Nothing\> steve30, the other thing i didn't like was all of those SSRIs, SNRIs, SDRIs, SRIs etc they make it very hard to reach sexual climax
25:38 <Nothing\> if not impossible
26:08 <Nothing\> i remember that was one thing i hated about paxil, being a horny teenager
26:49 <steve30> They weren't /that/ bad for me, but yes, they did have sexual side effects
29:24 <Nothing\> heh i've been working on teaching my cat numbers
29:41 <Nothing\> i figure, he's smart enough to open a door, he's smart enough to count to 3
30:24 <Nothing\> so for about a week i'd take 3 identical objects and slowly count them out while showing them to him. And man do cats even have a shit attention span.
30:47 <Nothing\> he's still young though, even little sound gets his attention
32:29 <steve30> meow :)
32:35 <Nothing\> lol no
32:45 <Nothing\> my one cat's mewing her head off right now
32:52 <Nothing\> she's been getting into a bad habit of doing that
33:29 <Nothing\> she's sit there meowing and staring at me like she wants smoething. So I get up and she leads me up stairs then just plops down on the floor just out of arm's reach so i can't even pet her.
34:00 <Nothing\> and if i do go closer to pet her, she just gets up and goes back out of arm's reach.
34:12 <Nothing\> i know she's messing with me
34:23 <Nothing\> it's a cat's MO
35:21 <Nothing\> hrm i think i'll see what the forward voltage is on the diodes in this rectifier i plucked from a microwave
35:56 <Nothing\> i figure i'll just put like a 1k resistor in series with one of the diodes and connect the lot to a 9v battery then measure the forward voltage and current
39:06 <steve30> Cats get pleasure out of annoying humans :p
39:19 <electrohead> o/
40:16 <Nothing\> hey electrohead
40:23 <Nothing\> what's up, butter cup?
41:30 <electrohead> lol
41:31 <electrohead> hey dude
44:07 <Nothing\> oh man i could have hours of fun with this
44:09 <Nothing\> https://pronunciation.club/soundboards/phonics-board/
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44:27 <Nothing\> so much for characterizing the is beefy rectumfrier
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50:44 <Nothing\> oh yeah, i got a GREAT idea the other day
50:58 <Nothing\> but it just occurred to me i should probably make a circuit diagram to demonstrate
51:09 <Nothing\> actualy it's not that complicated i could articulate it easily enough
52:12 <Nothing\> but anyways, i was thinking how flawed thermostats are. How they base when the furnace/AC comes on on nothing more than the temperature on one small part of a wall in the main part of the house. Which really sucks when I'm sleeping in a drafty room in sub-zero conditions.
53:10 <Nothing\> So I came up with a circuit that averages analog values by first summing them with a summing amp, then using a resistive divider to divide by the appropriate amount. And there's my averaging circuit
53:43 <Nothing\> and i could set up a thermostat, even if just a mercury switch in each room and hall way of the house
54:07 <Nothing\> use lora boards for wireless communication to keep the wiring tidy so you don't have 50 foot wires criss-crossing your house
55:07 <Nothing\> then plug the analog value of each temperature into the averaging circuit, before sending it off to a "main" thermostat that actually controls the furnace instead of just monitoring temperatures
56:05 <Nothing\> it sounds ilke a lot more trouble than it is but really it'd just require like $1 worth of electronic parts and several thermostats, depending on how many data points you want to examine
56:20 <Nothing\> what do yu othink guy? great idea? or greatest idea?
57:42 <steve30> Sounds like a good idea
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16:22 <jaymax> Nothing\ I know people that would set up a dozen HW-baseboard loops in one house instead. Your way sounds more practical, but maybe the practical-iest would be to place the thermostat in an area far from heat sources but also not in a high-traffic area.
19:13 <jaymax> That way your environment is naturally averaged out. Also if you have hotwater-baseboard too, I use the louvers on mine to adjust which rooms on the same loop get more/less heat.
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34:46 <Nothing\> omfg
34:49 <Nothing\> no pain!
34:52 <Nothing\> thank the lord
35:00 <Nothing\> and i mean no pain whatsoever
35:07 * T3sl4 suckerpunches Nothing\ in the mug
35:16 <Nothing\> steve30, yeah i thought so
35:58 <Nothing\> steve30, i'd also like to rig up some sort of electrical plug for space heaters that incorporate a temperature sensing element into them, usuasally diodes in the case of space heaters
36:17 <Nothing\> but it makes no sense to me because every space heater on the market has the temp sensor INSIDE THE UNIT
36:28 <Nothing\> where it's going to get incredibly warm compared to outside
36:57 <jaymax> For that problem, I have a DHT11 and a Z-Wave relay.
37:26 <Nothing\> yeah i have a couple of DHT11s, and a more advanced one... what was it.. lemme see
37:57 <jaymax> Granted, I had it with a dehumidifier, and recently moved the relay to a duct fan since I now have heat pumps for dehumidification.
39:59 <Nothing\> hrm i can't find the other chip. guess i've gotta go into my previous orders to find it
41:08 <Nothing\> ah yeah that's right
41:12 <Nothing\> it's the LM35
41:21 <Nothing\> i shoulda known that
44:16 <steve30> Just turn the thermostat in the unit up to maximum
44:31 * steve30 likes the LM35
46:22 <jaymax> BTW Nothing\, this came in last week.... https://maxuel.compy.ca:8443/index.php/s/z6YNaEPemFczkGZ
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46:45 <jaymax> https://maxuel.compy.ca:8443/index.php/s/z6YNaEPemFczkGZ/download if electrohead or Ampera is lurking
47:19 <jaymax> 420 blazin' cells
47:25 <steve30> do they work?
47:30 <jaymax> Yup
47:36 * Ampera pours some gas inside and drops a match
47:56 <jaymax> But I *need* those for cattle prods!
49:54 <jaymax> steve30 my T420 laptop uses the types 55+ and 70+ ... two of which were new-old-stock that I charged up and keep with the laptop now (the old one was wearing out).
50:27 <steve30> My T420 has a 70++
51:16 <arch> T420 owners unite!
51:25 <jaymax> Blazin'
51:26 <arch> actually, any old ThinkPad owners unite!
51:39 * steve30 pets his A31 :)
51:47 <arch> oldest one i have atm is a T61. my T43 died recently; shitty southbridge
52:18 <jaymax> T420; X200; R51; T60-era keyboard accessory.
52:37 <steve30> Oldest I have is a 570
52:48 <steve30> (with broken hinges)
53:32 <arch> T3sl4, i bought a broken GTX275 (219W TDP) for $22 in total. it's got 18x TO-252 MOSFETs and a handful of polymer caps. that makes up the cost fully, and i also get a kickass heatsink lol
53:43 * T3sl4 buh
53:53 <jaymax> First laptop I bought with real money (I did have a $10 Panasonic 486SX back in 2002) was a 600X.
54:02 <arch> gonna make another constant current load, but this time based on this: https://github.com/wigman27/Arduino-Programmable-Constant-Current-Power-Resistance-Load
54:03 <EEVBot> [Title] - GitHub - wigman27/Arduino-Programmable-Constant-Current-Power-Resistance-Load: This is all of the code, datasheets and design files for my instructable
54:12 <T3sl4> ew
54:16 <T3sl4> arduweeny
54:53 <arch> i already made one using a quad op-amp, and it works really neat
54:59 <T3sl4> i know
55:10 <arch> but i want something a bit fancier now
56:29 <arch> actually, the only "issue" with the GTX580 cc load is, the TL431 line regulation kinda suffers, because the Vcc drops from ~5V to 4.5V under load (as the fan activated). that leads to about a 50mA INCREASE in current. not a big deal
56:50 <arch> i think i should have fed the TL431 with a constant current instead
56:57 <T3sl4> uh?
57:11 <arch> hold on, lemme show you the schematic section i'm talking about
58:14 <electrohead> jaymax: ooo, battery goodness
58:39 * T3sl4 batters electrohead with gooness
58:47 <electrohead> me gets gooed
58:47 <arch> https://i.imgur.com/fsV711l.png
58:51 <electrohead> err
58:53 <arch> upper left corner, U2D
58:53 * electrohead gets gooed
59:25 <arch> see that TL431? if the voltage drops from 5V to 4.5V, the output voltage is no longer 2.5V, it's slightly higher
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59:30 <arch> not sure why
59:45 <arch> that contributes to a slight current draw increase, about 50mA or so
59:52 <jaymax> Shit, this reminds me of having lapdesks in the fmaily car as a kid. https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2602054
59:54 <EEVBot> [Title] - Laptop in wooden box project (Lenovo x220 + 10" LCD) by HelDoRe - Thingiverse
59:55 <T3sl4> arch: well there's yer problem, 324 isn't powered
00:05 <arch> oh a wise guy eh?
00:08 * arch pokes T3sl4 in the eyes
00:13 <T3sl4> nyuck nyuck nyuck
00:26 <arch> :D
01:23 <T3sl4> my guess is you have switching noise into the 324 and that's offsetting it
01:35 <T3sl4> also C1 is bad, the 431 is probably oscillating
01:44 <T3sl4> depends on mfg
02:14 <arch> well, i probed directly across TL431 output to gnd, and as the voltage drops from 5V to 4.5V, i saw the output increase slightly
02:23 <T3sl4> actually, that might be a sufficient explanation. maybe it's right on the margin and the lower bias current makes it oscillate
02:24 <arch> i guess i could try removing the cap
02:32 <T3sl4> o
03:00 <T3sl4> no R in series with C6? tsk tsk
03:13 <arch> =(
03:35 <arch> well, C6 says DNP. i didn't fill it
03:39 <T3sl4> oh also, a large resistor from VREF to U2A IN- and R13 nonzero, should give a better "shutdown" condition
04:02 <T3sl4> i'l fill you..!
04:05 * T3sl4 makes electrohead film
05:34 <arch> T3sl4, why would it give a better shutdown condition? due to lower current, meaning lower voltage drop at the U2A +NI pin, and therefore lower output current draw?
05:49 <T3sl4> offsetting it so it's definitely railed negative at 0 ref
06:19 * electrohead rails T3sl4
06:20 <T3sl4> or "0" ref, since it won't ever actually pull to zero
06:40 <arch> true. but the point is to prevent thermal overload and killing the mosfet. it serves its purpose :D
06:41 * T3sl4 accepts electrohead's shaft, but not before feeding him a pineapple
06:42 <Nothing\> hrm i wanna make a perfboard circuit for a 555 astable timer, but i want it to have an adjustable frequency
06:53 <T3sl4> man, those quake death messages were suspicious
07:51 <Nothing\> this generation takes death so lightly. I speculate because we haven't had any real major wars in modern timse
08:22 <Nothing\> sure there's always the middle east but that seems to be mosty guerillas in the forests and stuff
08:28 <Nothing\> paramilitary groups
09:34 <T3sl4> but, this country spends actual millions staving off death a few years
11:08 <Nothing\> just from covid alone
11:23 <Nothing\> your country is leading the world in cases and deaths
11:33 <T3sl4> the duality of man
12:03 <Nothing\> endeed-
12:07 <Nothing\> indeed
12:35 <T3sl4> if only we could convince people to accept euthanasia as readily as they accepted covid
29:09 <Nothing\> i wound
29:11 <Nothing\> would
29:32 <Nothing\> actually i've read a handbook intended for terminally ill patients who are planning to commin suicide as humanely as possible
29:53 <T3sl4> who wants to die in agony right?
30:08 <Nothing\> and the ultimate consensus was to put a large bag over your head, like a trash bag, and just use a helium tank to fill it with helium
30:13 <Nothing\> and just leave the helium running
30:37 <T3sl4> just faint from hypoxia, sure
30:41 <Nothing\> since it's an innert gas, it won't cause the "air hunger" and pain that carbon dioxide causes throug normal hypoxia
31:01 <Nothing\> T3sl4, not just that, but the important this is that your body doesn't realize it's happening
31:35 <Nothing\> like if you tried the same thing with co2, co2 is cornverted to carbbnic acid on contact with the water in mucus membranes and eyes
31:47 <T3sl4> ya
32:06 <Nothing\> plus high co2 levels are what your body uses to alert you that it's low on oxign
32:36 <Nothing\> i've seen videos of mice being euthanized with CO2 and you could tell they were in incredible pain
33:13 <Nothing\> the guy had snakes so to kill his mice before hand he'd just stick em in a container with baking soda + vinegar until they ded
34:38 <T3sl4> imagine what it was like in those fields where an apparent burp of CO2 from a lake killed whole valleys of animals
35:10 <T3sl4> or, i mean, preferably don't imagine, that's terrible :P
35:33 <Nothing\> OH YEAH!!!
35:54 <Nothing\> i forgot, last night i found a torrent with packs of sheet music from all final fantasy games i think 4-12 at least
35:58 <Nothing\> plus others, i'm sure
49:50 <Nothing\> ah sweet
50:24 <Nothing\> i found a few legit ROM/ISO sites on reddit that actually still carry PSP and DS games
51:17 <Nothing\> i case i end up in the hospital, i want to make sure I have plenty of novel/classic DS games
51:22 <Nothing\> *in case
52:24 <Nothing\> though i'd probably steal my mum's tablet from her for news and app notes and stuff
53:36 <Nothing\> heh i was thinking, i should even throw together a "bug out bag" of electronics components, boards, battery clips and so on so i can tinker while i'm in hospital if they have to admit me
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07:14 <arch> hmmm..im troubleshooting a 7A 19V PSU right now, which has a DCM PFC stage, followed by a quasi-resonant controller that switches a flyback. im seeing something very odd
07:51 <arch> under zero load, the voltage is spot on 19V; but as i apply even a tiny load, the PFC voltage wildly fluctuates and the output voltage drops in and out
08:03 <arch> not sure if the PFC controller is busted
11:33 <arch> let me plug in mains and measure the voltage across PFC bulk cap
11:41 <arch> (of course, im using an isolation trafo)
12:02 <arch> butyea, i am using my lab PSU at 60V out, and im seeing the exact same behavior as i was before
15:12 <arch> T3sl4, is it normal for a PFC DCM boost stage to reduce its voltage when there is no load?
15:35 <arch> i would expect the output on the bulk cap to remain more or less the same. could be wrong though
15:51 <arch> bulk cap on the PFC output
16:14 <T3sl4> sure
16:41 <T3sl4> not sure how common it is, but shutting down PFC saves parasite power
16:45 <arch> hmm ok. let me get my isolation trafo, then i hook up this biach and hope it doesn't explode in my face
16:50 <T3sl4> as long as you still have some way to make up output voltage
17:05 <T3sl4> so it still looks like it's doing the 19V
20:10 <arch> aha, i see: "The gate drive is disabled when VSENSE voltage is less than 0.2 V or VAOUT voltage
20:10 <arch> is less than 2.2 V." https://www.infineon.com/dgdl/Infineon-TDA4863-DS-v02_01-en.pdf?fileId=db3a304412b407950112b418016824a7
20:26 <arch> that makes sense then
20:44 <arch> now the problem is...why is it shutting down under load. even a tiny load and the PFC output voltage crashes
20:56 <arch> hold on, lemme hook up to mains for real
26:45 <arch> ok, with mains hooked up and zero load, the vout across PFC bulk cap is ~172V. makes sense, im on 120VAC
28:36 <arch> hmmm...even with gradually increasing current draw, the PFC does NOT increase its output voltage
28:42 <arch> i am starting to think the PFC controller is busted
29:00 <arch> and thus the output voltage 19V crashes after about ~2A
29:32 <arch> let me measure the voltage again to make sure
31:43 <arch> i was wrong: the 19V rail crashes to about 3V out and can supply about 2A at that level. the PFC bulk cap never increases past 172V
32:07 <arch> however, on initial startup, it shoots to around 280V, but quickly comes crashing down to 172V
34:33 <arch> hmm interesting...i got the PFC to stay around 260V if i increase the current draw to about 20mA; anything higher and the vout crashes along with the PFC voltage
34:47 <arch> what does that mean? anyone know?
34:58 <arch> busted PFC controller? or maybe a leaky mosfet?
35:20 <arch> i will try swapping out the PFC mosfet to see if it fixes it
35:39 <arch> all feedback resistors seem to be fine, no burn marks, no bloated caps
38:01 <arch> or actually, let me try two things: i will take out the PFC bulk cap and measure the ESR; and if that looks fine, pop it back in and take out and replace the PFC mosfet
43:29 <Nothing\> i need suggestions for good DS games to get
43:53 <Nothing\> i can't seem to think of any off the top of my head now that i've finally found a safe and reliable source for them again
44:17 <Nothing\> ff3 and 4 of course, but i'm already playnig 4 on pc so a no go
49:50 <arch> bulk cap is fine
50:14 <arch> gonna try replacing mosfet
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03:57 <DHess_US> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baY3SaIhfl0
03:58 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Devs watching QA test the product
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34:17 <Nothing\> arch, well that's a funny sounding DS game
34:19 <Nothing\> :P
34:47 <Nothing\> DHess_US, your posting a youtube link reminded me of one i've been meaning to post here for some time now
35:25 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW2LvQUcwqc
35:25 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Technical Jargon Overload
35:36 <Nothing\> i'm sure some of you have seen this if it was in my recommended feed
36:21 <Nothing\> btw, have you guys noticed an abundance of videos talking about the guns in the game Rust since the shooting on the set of the movie of the same name but probably have nothing to do with the game
36:57 <Nothing\> i half wondered if they were making a movie based on the game
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40:34 <electrohead> T3sl4: Halcyon told me to send you this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W85oD8FEF78
40:35 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Jurassic Park but with a Cat
40:48 <T3sl4> :P
41:18 <electrohead> was sitting here, and out of no where, I get a message with that link, saying "send this to T3sl4"
41:20 <electrohead> so, I did.
41:21 <electrohead> :p
42:35 <Nothing\> ffs
42:51 <Nothing\> i somehow strayed from my credible rom site on to a scam site that's trying to download shit like...
43:15 <Nothing\> 3055 - Chrono Trigger (U)(XenoPhobia)_v0.48.321.70.88.exe
43:24 <Nothing\> CUZ THAT SEEMS LIKE A LEGIT ROM FILE
43:28 * Nothing\ facepalms
43:36 <Nothing\> and yet i wonder how many newbs fall for it
43:51 <Nothing\> i know i would have back when i was computer illiterate
44:17 <Nothing\> hell my mom still tries to read me those fake news articles from ads thinking they're real
44:32 <Nothing\> i finally taught her that when it says "sponsored content" to just ignore it
45:25 <Nothing\> but god knows how many such links she's clicked on. I dunno how safe they are on a tablet but i'd imagine some harbor malware
45:43 <Nothing\> tracking cookies at the very least
48:15 <Nothing\> i'm just glad i found a site to get "fresh" DS ROMs in case i end up in the hospital
48:34 <Nothing\> that way i'd at least have SOMETHING to do while waiting for the doctor
48:41 <Nothing\> or test results
48:43 <Nothing\> or a test
49:11 <Nothing\> or any number of things you end up having to wait for in the hospital. It seems ike 90% of the experience is just waiting
49:18 <Nothing\> either for that stuff or just to be et out
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43:32 <steve31> well, i don't seem to be able to sleep tonihgt
56:00 <Nothing\> i've the opposite problem
56:29 <Nothing\> hell i had a large iced cappuccino from tim hortons with over 200mg of caffeine in it and passed out no more than an hour later for the next 6 hours
56:55 <Nothing\> but on the bright side, i'm no longer in pain
57:00 <Nothing\> thank the Lord
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17:33 <steve31> i think i'll go back to bed
18:14 * T3sl4 drapes a huge duvet over steve31 and Nothing\
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30:47 <Tezzers> Is it goose down?
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51:07 <DHess_US> Almost got hit by a deer tonight. It was a big one to.
52:03 <T3sl4> D'oe
52:54 <DHess_US> I couldn't tell, it was too dark. It ran across my path while I was walking to the grocer.
53:06 <DHess_US> It was as tall as I am, and I'm 6 foot.
53:34 <T3sl4> i once tapped one on the butt, i saw enough of it going over a rise that i could slow down, but not enough to avoid it
54:31 <T3sl4> i assume it limped away, and either recovered because deer are undeservingly tough, that or a coyotee or puma or something found it
55:16 <T3sl4> but with the amount of driving i've done in the last couple years that's going to be very rare indeed, i've spotted far more in the park here than on the road in the last ever
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07:00 * T3sl4 blinks
07:10 <T3sl4> oh, you said almost hit by, not the other way around DHess_US
07:19 <T3sl4> and yeah, that's a biggun
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15:44 <DHess_US> I'd say its head was even with mine. It was a big one.
16:00 <DHess_US> Of course it was very dark. It was in the middle of the neighborhood here.
16:20 <DHess_US> I've seen a few what I would consider small deer around, but never one so large.
16:31 <DHess_US> It was very silent also. Didn't make a sound.
18:31 <DHess_US> I'm in a suburb about 30 minutes west of st. Louis, so single family tract neighborehood. Very much not rural.
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55:51 * Halcyon mews at T3sl4 
56:32 * T3sl4 pets Halcyon
34:52 <K> hello pitches
35:03 <Halcyon> Hello napkin
37:58 <K> napkin? i'm at least a scarf!
46:36 * Ysjoelfir turns K into a towel
49:37 * K fluffs
00:10 * Halcyon washes K in hot water
00:25 <K> mmmmmoist
01:44 <Halcyon> I have a "Moist" shirt I wear around the house
02:21 <+Ysjoelfir> oy Hercion
02:49 <+Ysjoelfir> can I send you a hot-ish pic?
02:58 <Halcyon> You can send me anything
02:59 * Ysjoelfir puts K into the tumbler
04:50 * K burns down the house
18:52 <+Ysjoelfir> noooooo! don
18:54 <+Ysjoelfir> '
18:54 <+Ysjoelfir> t
18:56 <+Ysjoelfir> !
24:10 <K> too late.
26:19 <+Ysjoelfir> dang it
28:21 * T3sl4 licks Ysjoelfir
34:28 <jaymax> devious licks
35:16 <T3sl4> deviant kicks
36:17 <jaymax> divisive nicks
36:38 <T3sl4> https://imgur.com/gallery/QXdTZQm
36:39 <EEVBot> [Title] - Life of Smudge - Day 152 (late) - Album on Imgur
36:45 <T3sl4> purrant kits
37:41 <+Ysjoelfir> I have been licked a lot last night, but still, please continue, T3sl4
37:53 <Halcyon> Hahaha
38:18 <+Ysjoelfir> ;P
38:27 * T3sl4 puts the kitty on Halcyon as a scarf
38:35 <Halcyon> Stupid itchy scarf
21:24 <steve30> hi
35:40 * Ysjoelfir puts headphones onto steve30 and plays Hakan Peker - Atesini Yolla
37:14 <K> nope.
37:24 <+Ysjoelfir> yes!
37:32 <+Ysjoelfir> its a nice song actually
57:26 <Ampera> GOOD MORNING
57:27 <Ampera> >:(
58:48 <+Ysjoelfir> GREAT MID-DAY!!!
59:43 <Ampera> [CITATION NEEDED]
00:46 <+Ysjoelfir> [sic]
02:39 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Should the eYoutubers live hangout tomorrow be on EEVblog or EEVblog2?
38:59 <+Ysjoelfir> EEVBot time electrohead
39:00 <EEVBot> It is currently 2021/11/05 07:39:00 where electrohead resides.
39:09 <+Ysjoelfir> electrohead! get up you lazy bastard!
41:47 * Ampera ejects electrohead from his eletrobed, placing two pieces of electrobread around his electrohead to create an electrosandwich
41:58 <+Ysjoelfir> woah
42:01 <+Ysjoelfir> electroception
42:07 <Ampera> no
42:09 <Ampera> electroconception
42:11 * Ampera fucks electrohead 
48:23 <+Ysjoelfir> so Ampera, you are up for some nice meating?
48:34 <Ampera> context
55:24 <+Ysjoelfir> meating electrohead
55:29 <+Ysjoelfir> as you just did
55:45 <Ampera> I prefer to be meated, I've always been one for the meat
55:50 <Ampera> but you do you
59:12 <+Ysjoelfir> who doesnt like a good meating?
59:30 <Ampera> you
59:59 * steve30 should have some food
00:26 <jaymax> Cool, now that it's assembled, I can get this off my desk. https://maxuel.compy.ca:8443/index.php/s/sX2sLsZzA4cSNy6/download
01:23 * Ysjoelfir takes cover from jaymax 's bomb
01:37 * Ysjoelfir grabs Ampera and steve30 and pulls them behind the cover as well
01:47 <Ampera> jaymax, idk what's up with your site, but it's making me download that image to disk
01:49 <jaymax> Suggestions a minimalistic charger? Maybe modifying this fr 14.4V? https://hackaday.com/2016/01/08/super-cheap-lifepo4-battery-charger/
02:04 <jaymax> drop the download suffix Ampera
02:24 <Ampera> :P you're the one who linked it like that
02:36 <Ampera> there's not enough shrinkwrap
02:38 <jaymax> I cannot please everyone - so blame electrohead for wanting to curl.
02:47 <Ampera> I blame electrohead for a lot of things
03:09 <jaymax> #EasyButton
03:20 <Ampera> you displease me generally by being canadian
03:47 <jaymax> Please send Vermont Maple Syrup and I may defect.
04:00 <Ampera> that may be a worthy sacrifice
04:18 <Ampera> but I'm concerned it may cause a migrant crisis from the north
04:43 <jaymax> (x) Doubt - you know what canuks think of muricans?
05:02 <Ampera> at least their leader isn't famous for doing blackface?
05:34 <jaymax> Virginia just kicked out their governor that did....
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05:49 <Ampera> There's a lot of hubub about that election that I can't be fucked to read into
06:43 <Ampera> iirc a black female republican got elected, and then a bunch of democrats' logic circuits blew a smoky
07:17 <Ampera> because I guess in some homes identity politics is the third knob next to the hot and cold on every tap
08:03 <K> meanwhile - https://www.amazon.com/Accoutrements-11761-Yodelling-Pickle/dp/B0010VS078/ref=pb_allspark_purchase_sims_desktop_1/147-5328048-8938552?psc=1
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08:26 <Ampera> K, that pickle has a toenail
08:56 <K> it does
09:17 <jaymax> CNN had a sane article about where the democrats are going wrong, in an interview with Bill Clinton-era staffer that I fail to remember his name now.
09:45 <jaymax> Wokism is the spoiler alert, or "it's the economy, stupid".
10:27 <jaymax> Carville maybe?
12:21 <Ampera> local election results are dumb
12:26 <Ampera> tl;dr democrats won everything
12:42 <jaymax> "James Carville knows *exacly* why Semocrats lost"... yadda yadda blaise blaise blaise that will casue real harm in 2022 midterms.
13:17 <Ampera> both parties are awful
13:38 <jaymax> The uniparty with fake differences are awful.
13:43 <Ampera> they're both full of rich authoritarian dickheads who eat children for breakfast and rape old people
13:52 <jaymax> ^ that
17:30 <jaymax> If you get back to your de-regulated roots - especially without going back into serfdom in the process, the Vermont Maple syrup will be ever more aromatic on my palate.
18:27 <Ampera> don't worry, we'll make sure to deregulate everything that should probably be regulate, and overegulate things that should be left alone
18:34 <jaymax> But it seems like y'all are speeding past commonwealth status with this shitty central planning, moreso than Canada.
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33:12 <T3sl4> wow, how do you waste 5.6MB on a potato
34:52 <T3sl4> like, i shrink it to 1/5 size and it's still blurry, it's like the jpegging does nothing
34:59 <jaymax> Motorola blobs on their shit camera
35:29 * jaymax j-pegs T3sl4
35:41 <T3sl4> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
36:02 <jaymax> Nice Andy
36:16 * Ampera hugs T3sl4 
36:19 <Ampera> how are you doing T3zz4?
36:23 <T3sl4> Ampera!
36:36 * T3sl4 p1zz4's Ampera
36:42 * Ampera offers T3sl4 a tall steaming tumbler of earl grey
36:46 <Ampera> mmm, pizza
36:49 <Ampera> today is ribeye steak though
37:03 <Ampera> served with koshihikari rice
37:18 <T3sl4> i was just having a night cap, though what i'm drinking would go nicely with tea
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38:11 <T3sl4> though it's not exactly night anymore
38:56 <Ampera> seems like the gerrymander amendment lost in NY
39:16 <T3sl4> :(
39:37 <Ampera> The democrats wanted to reform our districting committee from an "independent" group, to a strictly partisan one
39:48 <Ampera> considering NY has a democratic supermajority, I'm sure you can see how that'd have went
40:07 <T3sl4> ah, yes
45:58 * electrohead gets blamed for things
46:17 <Ampera> damn straight, my homo
47:07 <electrohead> omoh ym, thgiarts nmad
48:48 <Ampera> I think you just summoned cthulu
49:02 <electrohead> lol
49:04 <electrohead> morning o/
49:11 <Ampera> how are you doing electronoddle
49:14 <Ampera> er, electronoodle
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49:20 * electrohead noddles
49:26 * T3sl4 films electrohead for things
49:27 <electrohead> oh shit, he's here, shh
49:33 <Ampera> FUCK, CANADIANS
49:36 <Ampera> RUN JAYMAX RUN
49:37 <electrohead> RUN!
49:39 <T3sl4> if we chat perfectly still he can't see us.
49:47 <Nothing\> ahoy ahoy
49:53 * T3sl4 mount(ies) Ampera
49:57 <Nothing\> i've come to annex your server
49:57 <electrohead> lmao
49:59 <jaymax> Hey dere Nothing\
50:08 <Ampera> Nothing\, how is your ass
50:18 <T3sl4> sore
50:18 <Nothing\> being german, we are wont to annex things, you know
50:19 <T3sl4> i mean nvm
50:30 <Nothing\> Ampera, it comes and goes but the last 2 days have been wonderfully pain free
50:37 <Nothing\> right now i think i'm just working out a poop
50:43 <Nothing\> cuz it's sore atm
50:46 <jaymax> Sorry guys, we don't to cause trouble here - just point us to the nearest Hortons.
50:47 <Nothing\> but still nowhere as bad as it was
51:00 <Nothing\> on the bright side, i think i finally figured out what was causing it
51:10 <Nothing\> excessive lactulose (one of my laxatives
51:22 <Ampera> good thing I always know the one thing to mention that'll make any canadian mad
51:23 <T3sl4> relevant: https://i.imgur.com/UWxPY7L.jpg
51:25 <Ampera> cellular internet prices
51:42 <Nothing\> cuz it's a liquid, and goes through you unchanged besides fermentation, so it produces symptoms almost identical to those of lactose intolerance
51:45 * T3sl4 slaps jaymax with a canadian tire
51:48 <Nothing\> at least at in higher doses
51:49 * jaymax shrugs
51:52 <Ampera> poopin boobs
51:56 <Nothing\> canadian tire's a good hardware store
51:58 <Ampera> reminds me of what if butts had boobs
52:10 <T3sl4> what if boobs were butts?
52:28 <Ampera> that'd make cleveland steamers interesting
52:36 <jaymax> Ampera I pay about US$25 a month for two cell plans.
52:41 <Nothing\> Ampera, lol when i was 5 apparently my brother (11 at the time) showed my a picture from our dad's porn stash of a woman spread eagle and a close up on her genitals
52:43 <K> https://www.amazon.com/Accoutrements-11476-Bacon-Strips-Bandages/dp/B000SSV8AA
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52:45 <jaymax> I'm not angry about that.
52:49 <Ampera> I pay around 320USD/mo for 11
52:52 <Nothing\> and i was heard to say "what's that thing between her boobs?"
52:55 * jaymax shrugs
53:11 <Nothing\> apparently i thought her legs were boobs
53:26 <Ampera> boobs
53:30 <Nothing\> i don't remember that, i just remember being intrigued by what's "inside" a vagine
53:32 <Nothing\> vagina
53:39 <Ampera> virginia
53:42 <K> disapointment
53:49 * Ampera hands K a nice friendly potato
53:49 <Nothing\> like how it's folded up and you can't see anything but a slit, right
53:56 <K> why thank you
53:56 <Nothing\> so i always wondered what was inside that slit
53:59 <jaymax> What did one saggy boob say to the other? "If we don't get support soon, people gonna think we're nuts!"\
54:02 <Ampera> another slit
54:10 <Ampera> it's like the turtles of time
54:16 <Nothing\> and i remember during one riveting game of doctor i finally found out
54:16 <Ampera> inside every slit is another slit
54:22 <Ampera> an infinite vagina of vaginas
54:22 <Nothing\> and i was disappointed it was just a hole
54:27 <Nothing\> i have no idea what i was expecting
54:30 <Nothing\> treasure?
54:33 <K> zoo!
54:35 <jaymax> Narnia>
54:37 <Nothing\> lol yeah
54:37 <jaymax> ?
54:39 <Ampera> most people look with their dicks
54:42 <Nothing\> probably, at that age
54:43 * T3sl4 brings K a zoot suit
54:51 <Nothing\> Ampera, that didn't even occur to me at 5
54:53 <K> oooh, fancy
55:05 <Ampera> if you were 5, what fucking pussy were you touching
55:08 <Nothing\> Ampera, though part of me wishes it did
55:15 <Nothing\> Ampera, neighbor girl's
55:17 <T3sl4> meow
55:21 <Nothing\> ain't you ever heard of playing doctor?
55:38 <Ampera> that sounds like playing felony at five
55:44 <electrohead> lol..
55:47 <Nothing\> it's just something kids do
55:54 <Ampera> that's got to beat 18 and life.
55:57 <Nothing\> they're naturally curious
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56:17 * T3sl4 tentacles arch
56:19 <Ampera> If I had a five year old who decided to start poking around other girl's vaginas, I wouldn't have a five year old for long.
56:24 <Nothing\> and innocent, so they don't have any preconceived taboos or societal weirdnesses put into their heads yet
56:29 <jaymax> Not like a forty-year-ld is plaung with a 5yo...
56:29 * electrohead squids arch
56:32 <Ampera> which is probably why my intent to not have kids is a good thing
56:42 <Nothing\> Ampera, it's okay, i was caught multiple times doing similar things with my male cousin
56:47 <Nothing\> and another boy down the street
56:49 <Ampera> that doesn't make it better
56:52 <Ampera> that makes it worse
56:54 <Nothing\> no, i know
56:58 <Nothing\> that's what i'm saying
57:06 <Nothing\> the fact that i was caught
57:07 <jaymax> Morally, it's a "where the parents at" question. You don't want law in on that.
57:15 <Nothing\> i'm just glad my parents didn't make a big deal of it
57:26 <Nothing\> jaymax, it was the 80's
57:28 <T3sl4> legally i don't think it matters
57:31 <Nothing\> parents didn't supervise kids back then
57:41 <Nothing\> T3sl4, so long as the parent's home, it's fine
57:53 <Nothing\> but here, the law actually states that you can't legally be left alone until you're 16
57:54 <T3sl4> it's the age difference, or any adult inducement or other involvement, that matters
57:55 <Nothing\> fucking 16!
58:07 <Ampera> That's interesting actually, Nothing\
58:11 <jaymax> If 5yo's playing doctor with each other was law, you'd either have jailed kids or jailed parents, or both -- it'd look like N Korea.
58:11 <Nothing\> can't you imagine how fucked up it would be getting daycare for a 15 year old?
58:14 <Nothing\> or a baby sitter
58:15 <Ampera> here we have no law against what age you can or cannot be left alone
58:33 <Nothing\> Ampera, the weird thing is, they start teaching baby sitting courses at 12 years old
58:36 <Nothing\> my daughter did one
58:42 <Ampera> but a neighbor of a friend somewhat recently had the police called on her, because she left her 10, 3, and 4 year old kids home alone
58:54 <Nothing\> i mean, when i was a kid it was perfectly fine for a 12 year old to babysit
59:06 <Nothing\> i accompanied my friend to babysit many a time when he was around that age
59:08 <Ampera> nah, this one's a sad case
59:17 <Ampera> the dad's in prison, and the mom takes any and all hours
59:23 <Ampera> so she basically leaves the 10 year old to run the house
59:34 <Nothing\> yeah, like what's a parent like that supposed to do?
59:42 <Nothing\> especially when no subsidies exist for childcare
59:44 <Ampera> neighbors are fucking prudes though, they heard screaming from the house and decided to just call the cops
59:51 <Nothing\> i mean i'm sure there's SOMETHING through social services
59:52 <Ampera> like, just kids screaming and playing
59:57 <Ampera> nah
59:59 <Nothing\> but it's probably a shithole, cutrate preschool
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