// #eevblog — 2021-11-02
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00:03:25 <Kuschelpony> lol of the day: "How to build a subwoofer and stay married."
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00:07:23 <DHess_US> watcher, the module implements cold junction compensation. For the meter to use the simple banana plug adapter, it must have cold junction compensation built in, and since it is not built into the adapter, it is not as accurate.
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00:11:26 <electrohead> https://www.engadget.com/fisher-price-working-chatter-telephone-040026739.html
00:11:28 <EEVBot> [Title] - Fisher-Price made a working Chatter telephone for adults | Engadget
00:11:29 <electrohead> o.o
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03:27:51 <TheDude> electrohead, what do?
03:27:52 <TheDude> https://pastebin.com/5eEfYvxy
03:27:53 <EEVBot> [Title] - root@gpib-host:~# apt-get install linux-image-rpi2-rpfvReading package lists.. - Pastebin.com
03:28:25 <TheDude> it appears that the repository no longer has the files that I believe I need
03:28:51 <electrohead> hey man
03:28:53 * electrohead looks
03:30:12 <electrohead> is this the same install as before, or did you switch distros/versions/etc?
03:30:50 <TheDude> fresh installation
03:30:59 <TheDude> raspbian wheezy
03:31:36 <TheDude> http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian/images/raspbian-2015-05-07/
03:31:37 <EEVBot> [Title] - Index of /raspbian/images/raspbian-2015-05-07
03:31:38 <TheDude> this one
03:31:59 <TheDude> this is the latest version before linux kernel 4.x
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05:29:50 <DHess_US> https://img.pr0gramm.com/2021/10/31/019303aec9ce0176.png
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06:20:12 <TheDude> DHess_US, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDCeQjoVIAYXjC6?format=jpg&name=large
06:40:13 <DHess_US> TheDude, why link that?
06:40:20 <DHess_US> What am I missing?
06:41:10 <TheDude> the fact that he told them that they also need to transparently show where the money will be spent, if they can back up their statement about the amount of money needed
06:41:27 <DHess_US> I'll pass that back to where I got the link.
06:41:38 <DHess_US> I thought maybe there was something of more significance.
06:41:46 <TheDude> nah, that was it
06:41:59 <TheDude> the second tweet was missing, I thought it would be relevant to you
06:42:08 <DHess_US> sure sure
06:42:13 <DHess_US> already linked it back
06:42:16 <Ampera> mass hunger is rarely a supply problem, it's usually a political problem
06:42:42 <Ampera> and of all thing the UN is good at, they're best at being a political problem themselves
06:43:44 <TheDude> yeah, hunger is just the consequence of political unrest in impoverished countries
06:44:05 <TheDude> corruption and hunger usually run hand in hand
06:44:09 <Ampera> It's not universal, but impoverished nations also tend to be politically unstable nations
06:44:36 <Ampera> no money means no food, no food means no rest, no rest means no stability, no stability means no money
06:45:03 <Ampera> the 20 GOTO HELL line of the nation state
06:45:13 <DHess_US> It is almost as if politics destroys economics ...
06:45:17 <TheDude> and it means that shady cunts will take advantage of that for their own benefit
06:45:29 <Ampera> don't worry, economics is there to destroy politics in turm
06:45:30 <Ampera> er, turn
06:45:40 <TheDude> and then you have areas controlled by warlords
06:45:57 <TheDude> and the general population suffering
06:46:14 <Ampera> and areas controlled by people who think it's their religion to make sure people who listen to music don't deserve capitation.
06:47:07 <TheDude> I imagine you're talking about the recent news of some taliban nutjobs crashing a wedding with automatic guns, aye?
06:47:23 <Ampera> the taliban cutting people's heads off isn't particularly recent
06:47:35 <Ampera> it's just that we're not making money off shooting them anymore
06:47:53 <Ampera> well, at least for now, we've sort of reset the situation to rinse and repeat when we feel like it
06:47:53 <TheDude> nah, there was a recent story, not a week old about them shooting up a bunch of people because they had music at a wedding
06:48:28 <Ampera> puts the day the music died to shame
06:52:11 <DHess_US> Ampera, the problem with economics destroying politics is that the enforcers are war, famine, pestilence, and plague, also known as nature's population control.
06:55:33 <DHess_US> <voidead> lol you have to respect the man for not giving up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8G6NPHTHxgo
06:55:34 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Smashed 240sx Drives to Last Drift Event
07:17:05 <TheDude> uhm
07:17:21 <TheDude> i'm trying to install tcl8.6-dev package
07:17:35 <TheDude> but I can't find it in the repository
07:18:02 <DHess_US> Hmm, not everyday that Linus Torvalds tells you personally to ignore him because he doesn't know what he is talking about.
07:18:06 <TheDude> how would I go about finding the package on the interwebs that is compatible with my build?
07:19:05 <DHess_US> Should print it and frame it, https://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=203767&curpostid=203842
07:19:07 <EEVBot> [Title] - Real World Technologies - Forums - Thread: M1 Max as a renderer
07:25:08 <T3sl4> Ampera: https://i.imgur.com/lBNYTPn.jpg
07:33:37 <Ampera> I don't
07:35:26 <TheDude> uhm
07:36:01 <TheDude> a backport is using software designed for an older OS on a newer OS, aye?
07:36:03 <TheDude> not vice versa?
07:39:01 <Ampera> no, a backport is software designed for a newer OS used on an older OS
07:39:05 <Ampera> as in you're porting it /back/
07:39:24 <TheDude> okay, that is actually what I need
07:39:36 <TheDude> so apparently I need tcl8.6
07:39:48 <TheDude> but the repository for debian wheezy only has up to 8.5
07:40:09 <Ampera> ask jspiros
07:40:21 <Ampera> seriously, he's one of the most experienced people I know with debianoids
07:40:48 <TheDude> yeah, I recall bothering him tirelessly in the past regarding linux stuff
07:50:02 <TheDude> welp, I've given up
07:50:11 <TheDude> :(
07:50:29 <TheDude> linux-gpib won't work with the newest OS
07:50:54 <TheDude> and I can't seem to be able to build it with the old OS, as describes in TiN's guide
07:50:57 <TheDude> :(
07:51:04 <Ampera> why doesn't work on newest?
07:51:08 <Ampera> fill me in
07:51:31 <TheDude> I manage to build and install everything just fine
07:51:46 <TheDude> but then it throws me timeouts when I try to use it
07:51:51 <TheDude> https://xdevs.com/guide/agilent_gpib_rpi/
07:51:54 <EEVBot> [Title] - xDevs.com | Setting up and using Agilent 82357B GPIB USB pod in RPi Linux
07:52:04 <TheDude> "Issue shows as return of TIMEO error after any command/operation with GPIB."
07:52:10 <TheDude> this is exactly what I experience
07:52:44 <Ampera> use a newer OS with an older kernel
07:52:57 <TheDude> oh?
07:53:03 <Ampera> kernels are a lot easier to transplant
07:53:23 <Ampera> debian probably even makes it easy by allowing you to forward port older packages
07:53:41 <TheDude> I'll try that then
07:53:48 <TheDude> except this is going to be a job for another day
07:53:53 <Ampera> this is an occasionally irritating thing with Linux, as the kernel APIs are very unstable
07:54:04 <TheDude> long day tomorrow
07:54:13 <Ampera> you may also look for an alternate implementation for FreeBSD, as FreeBSD has helped me in the past with old and obscure drivers
07:54:22 <Ampera> it has a more forgiving API
07:54:47 <TheDude> uh... you really kinda need to know what you're doing if you change literally anything
07:54:49 <TheDude> and I don't
07:55:22 <TheDude> think of your grandma using a computer to send emails
07:55:34 <TheDude> that's about the level of proficiency I have with unix OSes
08:12:21 <TheDude> welp, cheers
08:12:25 <TheDude> heading to bed now
08:12:30 <TheDude> \o
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09:05:47 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtLTmg2vCzY
09:05:48 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Listening In: JFK Calls about Furniture (July 25, 1963)
09:08:04 <Nothing\> man, he was the last good president they had
09:08:20 <Nothing\> and of course, the last one they successfully killed
09:08:31 <Nothing\> why couldn't that grenade have taken out dubya
09:08:33 <Nothing\> or that bullet have killed reagan
09:08:55 <Nothing\> or wasn't there someone else in there too? frankly i'm REALLY surprised nobody had a go at Trump
09:09:02 * Ampera executes Nothing\
09:09:08 <Nothing\> or that nobody's tried to have a go at him since
09:09:15 <Nothing\> hey Ampera
09:09:27 <Ampera> hi Nothing\, how are you doing
09:09:39 <Nothing\> eh shitty
09:09:42 <Nothing\> literally
09:09:46 <Ampera> good to hear
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09:09:50 <Nothing\> i mean, i've cleaned myself out, ileum to anus
09:09:54 <Nothing\> but i'm still cramping
09:10:17 <Nothing\> thank god for methadone, it has a fortunate effect of stopping GI muscle contractions, hence why it makes you constipated
09:10:27 <Nothing\> but it also has the benefit of relieving cramps of this nature
09:10:42 <Nothing\> also
09:10:47 * Nothing\ tackle hugs Ampera
09:11:12 <Ampera> ok
09:11:21 <Nothing\> lol i really need to make a script that just takes a line from a plaintext file of say, 10 variations of hugs for you and posts it in here as an action
09:11:22 * Ampera gives Nothing\ a pat on the head, and a punch in the gut
09:11:31 <Nothing\> that'd make life a lot easier
09:11:33 <Ampera> you don't really need to do that
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09:11:40 <Ampera> I do not deserve affection
09:11:49 <Nothing\> everyone deserves affection imo
09:11:59 <Nothing\> and i do mean absolutely everyone
09:12:00 <Ampera> I am an inferior and broken person and the fact that I have any friends is a sad reflection upon the low standards of people in this world.
09:12:40 <Nothing\> i mean sure there are some genuinely fucked up people who would probably happily play with my insides rather than have affection
09:13:05 <Nothing\> and but that's complicated cuz you've gotta think, nobody ends up like that on purpose
09:13:28 <Nothing\> but at the same time... they're fucked up so bad they can't even be near anyone
09:13:42 <Nothing\> it's a tricky situation
09:13:59 <Nothing\> the bible says "love your enemies" and i tried that for a bit and it doesn't work
09:14:10 <Nothing\> actually jesus said love your enemies, and HE couldn't even follow that
09:14:48 <Nothing\> since later on he trashed a bunch of merchant stands that were set up in the temple at jerusalem while screaming at them and cursing them and calling them hypocrites for defiling the temple in such a way
09:15:01 <Nothing\> whenever i hear "what would jesus do" i just think of that
09:15:48 <Nothing\> that's not to say there weren't some genuinely good bits of wisdom from jesus in the bible, but it's definitely contradictory
09:16:14 <Nothing\> or how people say god is love and all of that and the bible teaches that, but half of psalms are about asking god to kill your enemies for you
09:16:58 <Nothing\> i just don't get it
09:17:13 <Nothing\> but i do know, that's why christianity isn't for me
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09:56:05 <Nothing\> holy crap
09:56:45 <Nothing\> elon musk told the UN if they can prove they can do it, he'll donate $6 BILLION to end world hunger
09:57:38 <Nothing\> cuz the guy running the world hunger thing in the UN was saying how just a small percent of his, or jeff bezos' or any other billionaire's money could end world hunger, so musk called him out on it
09:58:11 <Nothing\> and knowing mob mentality, you know he won't be the only billionaire to donate the money if they get a good plan
09:58:41 <Nothing\> we very well could either end or put a severe dent in world hunger in the next couple decades.
09:59:11 <Nothing\> although i think there are more pressing issues, like sanitation and toilets and potable water
10:00:27 <Nothing\> all the food in the world isn't gonna help you if the only water you have to drink is a creek running off from a river being used to dump industrial waste, dead bodies (funeral pyres), and people in the slums who drink from said creek are even shitting into it
10:00:43 <Nothing\> at least that's what i saw in any of the videos of indian slums i looked up
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10:21:33 <DHess_US> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDCeQjoVIAYXjC6?format=jpg&name=large
10:22:05 <T3sl4> are you still on about that?
10:22:27 <DHess_US> Nothing\, mentioned it, so I linked it.
10:22:41 <T3sl4> i see
10:22:58 <T3sl4> and it goes without saying that Nothing\ is on about something, so nvm
10:22:59 <DHess_US> I'm on this now, since you asked, https://twitter.com/search?q=rittenhouse%20juror
10:24:03 <T3sl4> well, "peers", what do you expect
10:24:41 <Nothing\> i'm just grinding for rare drops in ffiv
10:26:08 <Nothing\> i worked out that each of these drops has a 1 in 4000 chance, and that's with an already rare encounter, but thankfully there's an item that makes you automatically encounter the rarest enemy in the area. But I see these poor bastards trying to do it without and think to myself "how on earth do these people have so much time and patience?"
10:26:20 <T3sl4> why do that, you could be grinding over here ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
10:26:39 <Nothing\> i tried that method with an item with a 1 in 20 drop rate and gave up after 50 fruitless encounters
10:26:43 <Nothing\> lol T3sl4
10:27:42 <Nothing\> oh hey
10:27:48 <Nothing\> i found this really awesome site last night
10:27:50 <Nothing\> https://aurorasaurus.org/
10:27:51 <EEVBot> [Title] - Aurorasaurus - Reporting Auroras from the Ground Up
10:28:26 <Nothing\> ever since NOAA's POES satellite went defunct, i've always had so much trouble finding a proper map like this
10:28:40 <Nothing\> at best i can find a 30 minute forecast model from OVATION PRIME
10:28:54 <Nothing\> which is an awesome name for a satellite
10:29:22 <Nothing\> that's like what winnie the pooh or jim john bill is after
10:29:37 <Nothing\> i know it's kim jong un but i've yet to find a way to americanize the name un
10:29:57 <Nothing\> so i just refer to his father, jim john bill
10:30:22 <Nothing\> er jim bill john?
10:30:29 <Nothing\> i forget, i always confuse myself with their names
10:42:44 <Nothing\> i was just thinking, i should ask my PO if they ever re-opened the section of toronto south detention center that i was in. They shut it down last march due to covid and they'd keep saying "a few more weeks, a few more weeks" but as of the end of my sentence, which is still considered served, it was STILL shut down. And that was the end of August.
10:43:20 <Nothing\> I know a lot of courts are basically turning a blind eye to most crimes, even indictable offenses
10:43:53 <Nothing\> like i was reading in the news, over the last year 80% of breach of probation cases have been let off
10:44:02 <Nothing\> and aronud 50% of assault charges
10:44:31 <Nothing\> even the guy who beat my brother and his roommate within an inch of their lives only got a few months and was released because of covid
10:45:21 <Nothing\> plus any time served between arrest and trial counts for something like 2.5 days because of the conditions, ie 24/7 lockdown, mandatory 2 week period in the hole for isolation when you first arrive to ANY prison
10:45:36 <Nothing\> so even if you were transferred from another prison, you still have to spend 2 weeks in the hole
10:46:12 <Nothing\> and it's been well established that even 2 weeks in ad seg is enough to cause permanent brain damage and mental illness
10:47:00 <Nothing\> frankly i don't even know why the hole is even still a thing or why it hasn't been determined to be unconstitutional, here, in the US, or any other western state that still uses it
10:47:08 <Nothing\> or i should say developed nation
10:47:21 <Nothing\> i guess the west isn't the only place that's developed
10:47:32 <Nothing\> man Ampera
10:47:35 <Nothing\> you need to make me a friend
10:48:13 <Nothing\> one of those smart bots that learns as it reads the chat and responds to the chat or certain key words said in the chat based on what it's learned
10:48:31 <Nothing\> which (wink wink nudge nudge) i hear eggdrops are great for
10:48:44 <Nothing\> i'm telling you, once you go eggy you'll wonder how you ever did without
10:48:57 <Nothing\> i've never heard a single bad thing about it
10:49:24 <Nothing\> here i'll even get you started: https://www.eggheads.org/downloads
10:49:26 <EEVBot> [Title] - Eggheads
10:50:46 <Nothing\> either that or you could distribute a script to users of the channel that automatically blocks everything i say until someone else speaks if i ever say more than 5 lines in a row
10:53:05 <T3sl4> i mean, i talk to myself often enough, but i don't do it in chat
10:54:03 <T3sl4> it's almost like... compulsion is probably too strong a word, but whatever it is, you seem to find it necessary enough to do it?
10:55:59 <T3sl4> there's probably some psychology thing at work? or then again maybe not, i mean it's only a disorder if it's actually, well, disordered, affecting you or others negatively
10:56:22 <T3sl4> but eh i know little about psychology, i'm certainly not about to diagnose it :P
10:56:27 * T3sl4 shrugs, hugs Nothing\ all the same
11:02:48 <Nothing\> T3sl4, there is a phenomenon called pressured speech whihc seems to fit the bill, aside from the speech bit
11:02:59 <Nothing\> but it's quite common in people who are bipolar, which i am
11:03:12 <Nothing\> and it's exactly what i do, only in speech form
11:03:35 <T3sl4> hmm, ah
11:03:46 <Nothing\> you basically just articulate anything and everything that comes to mind
11:04:03 <Nothing\> the best thing i can equate it to is when you get drunk and chatty
11:04:11 <T3sl4> you don't type particularly fast, but maybe the speed isn't such an important part, or adjusts to the medium
11:04:19 <Nothing\> it's the same sort of feeling, but yeah it's almost like a compulsion
11:04:45 <Nothing\> like to the point where i'll be in the middle of playing a video game or something, and i'll have to stop and come in here to share a thought if it happens
11:05:10 <Nothing\> sometimes i'll just exit the chat for all your sake cuz i know i'm getting out of hand
11:05:28 <Nothing\> cuz it's not even like i can just minimize and forget about it
11:05:57 <T3sl4> ahh
11:06:07 <Nothing\> T3sl4, yeha i think i average maybe 80 or 90wpm, depending on my train of thoughts. But I often edit what I type as well. Sometimes multiple times.
11:06:19 <T3sl4> heh, does playing games tend to take your mind off it, aside from exceptions like that it would seem
11:06:34 <Nothing\> man, i cant even count how man times i've spent literally over an hour just writing a reply to a comment on youtube
11:06:47 <Nothing\> like half of it's the actual writing, the other half is fact checking, citations and editing
11:07:06 <Nothing\> all for something that's probably only going to be read by 1 or 2 poeple if i'm lucky
11:07:33 <Nothing\> though it does make for a nice little exercise in... i'm not sure what you'd call it
11:07:37 <Nothing\> journalism?
11:07:40 <Nothing\> writing?
11:07:41 <Nothing\> research?
11:07:45 <Nothing\> all of the above?
11:08:13 <T3sl4> i suspect overly long comments tend to be deprioritized as well
11:08:13 <Nothing\> T3sl4, sometimes playing games can take my mind off of it and sometimes it doesn't. It depends on how strong the compulsion is.
11:08:32 <Nothing\> but the strength of the compulsion seems to be tied to my mood. That is, the better I'm feeling, the chattier i get.
11:08:51 <Nothing\> which is why i sometimes don't come in here for weeks at a time cuz i just feel like crap and don't even want to talk to people
11:09:21 <T3sl4> yeah, sounds kinda bipolar
11:09:32 <Nothing\> yup
11:09:40 <Nothing\> it runs heavily in my family and i was diagnosed years ago
11:09:58 <T3sl4> or similar cycles of shame/anxiety/adhd/...
11:10:01 <Nothing\> but i figure my diagnoses don't really matter aside from being able to easily summarize to people what's rong with me
11:10:10 <Nothing\> i absolutely refuse to take SSRIs or the like
11:10:28 <Nothing\> T3sl4, yup, actually ADD/ADHD and bipolar pretty much go hand in hand
11:10:32 <Nothing\> along with drug addiction
11:10:58 <T3sl4> yeah, quite predisposed to self medication
11:11:19 <Nothing\> i forget where, but i read that people who are ADD/ADHD as a child are more likely to have drug issues and be diagnosed as bipolar later on, maybe late teens to twenties or so
11:11:25 <Nothing\> yeah that too
11:11:45 <Nothing\> you have to wonder if it's the actual add/bipolar that causes the higher incidences of drug addiction
11:12:07 <Nothing\> or if it's just the "fun" of dealing with mental illness and the societal burden that comes with it
11:12:34 <T3sl4> would imagine there's some component of, inadequate coping strategies found during formative years, including dosing
11:13:28 <Nothing\> not to mention, in all honesty the actual presciption drugs they give for anxiety and depression, at least in the case myself and roughly 90% of everyone else i've known who's taken such meds, the meds tend to cause worse problems than the drugs they're abusing
11:13:59 <Nothing\> T3sl4, yes that's a big part of it in my case anyways is a lack of healthy coping strategies
11:14:20 <Nothing\> for me, staying fucked up 24/7 is my coping strategy. even though i know it's a terrible one.
11:14:28 <Nothing\> and i do mean 24/7
11:14:58 <Nothing\> i've been high literally for years and years on end without stop, save maybe for the odd break here and there
11:15:54 <Nothing\> i mean, with tolerance i don't feel high. But i'm still under the influence of a recreational drug 24/7. Whether it's the methadone, weed or my clonazepam. and funnily enough i have prescriptions for all 3 drugs.
11:16:28 <T3sl4> take a bath
11:16:30 <T3sl4> your brain, that is :P
11:16:45 <Nothing\> i've actually found clonazepam to be the most damaging. It's made me many times more emotionally unstable in just the 1 year it's been that i've been taking it. Not to mention it causes amnesia worse than what you get from a night of binge drinking.
11:16:59 <Nothing\> T3sl4, so you're saying i need to be brainwashed?
11:17:16 <T3sl4> heh maybe, but probably not :P
11:17:20 <Nothing\> have a cerebral scrub
11:17:24 <T3sl4> just marinate in them things
11:17:24 <Nothing\> wash away what i know
11:17:29 <Nothing\> it's an overrated frontal lobe
11:17:33 <Nothing\> (guitar riff)
11:17:42 <Nothing\> sorry, it ties in to an old NOFX song
11:17:43 <T3sl4> bottle in front of me, etc
11:18:06 <Nothing\> man
11:18:18 <Nothing\> i should dl that album and listen to it while i play warcraft 3
11:18:23 <Nothing\> just like i used to do when i was 16
11:18:59 <Nothing\> except back then i would also quaff bottles of cough syrup and spend my time lying on the floor in the dark next to a puke bucket listening to LPs of pink floyd
11:19:07 <Nothing\> pretty sure my mum knew what was going on lol
11:19:53 <Nothing\> lol every time i did it, i'd throw the empty bottle under our deck and when it came time to sell the house, there were literally hundreds of discarded cough syrup bottles under there.
11:20:12 <T3sl4> what a strange raccoon
11:20:15 <Nothing\> hahahaha
11:20:23 <Nothing\> a raccoon with a checkered past
11:20:30 <Nothing\> and nothing to lose
11:20:56 <Nothing\> wait, even though i've never seen it, i feel like i just described the racoon in that something something galaxy movie
11:21:04 <T3sl4> guardians of the
11:21:05 <Nothing\> jeez i feel old when i say things like that
11:21:08 <Nothing\> yes, thank you
11:21:20 <Nothing\> truth is, i just don't give a damn about modern movies
11:21:23 <T3sl4> maybe you were genetically modified to look human instead
11:21:56 <Nothing\> or really movies in general. I'll watch one every so often but for the most part i don't even watch tv shows (or streaming) or movies anymore
11:22:10 <Nothing\> T3sl4, i almost feel like a non-human trapped in a human body somehow
11:22:18 <Nothing\> but according to douglas adams, this is normal
11:22:33 <Nothing\> the feeling of being a special one in a million person or however it is he put it
11:22:58 <T3sl4> if you're one in a million, you have seven thousand twins
11:23:43 <Nothing\> lol yeah that's like those cans of lysol or what have you that say things like "kills UP TO 99% of household germs"
11:24:03 <Nothing\> then you think the size of a typical bacterial colony is what? dozens of millions of cells?
11:24:24 <T3sl4> depends. is that on an individual basis, or by strain?
11:24:25 <Nothing\> even killing 99% of them still leaves a shitton
11:24:29 <T3sl4> i always figured by strain tbh
11:24:38 <Nothing\> it's gotta be
11:25:10 <T3sl4> oh yeah, i actually saw pine-sol recommended by name the other day, it was in an article reporting on that random weird infection a few people got
11:25:21 <T3sl4> turns out it was in air freshener charges
11:25:27 <Nothing\> actually i was reading about how one of the types of covid vaccines work, the dna variety. which i couldn't tell you who uses it but anyways.
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11:25:52 <Nothing\> apparently the way it works is it introduces covid DNA to your immune system by transporting it in a harmless virus
11:26:02 <T3sl4> so i guess the stuff actually works pretty well. not bad for basically a natural product
11:26:17 <Nothing\> it almost sounds like how they do genetic engineering. Only without actually incorporating the dna into our own genes.
11:26:57 <Nothing\> oh that's weird
11:27:11 <Nothing\> so was there like a pathogen getting into the recharge packs or something
11:27:17 <T3sl4> well yeah, it's all genetics. you introduce some genetic material, and the cell does something with it. if there's no reproductive genes (namely, coding for copying the RNA/DNA, and the capsid proteins), it doesn't make any viruses and a subsequent infection
11:27:19 <Nothing\> or was it a chemical they were having a reaction to
11:28:02 <T3sl4> if it just makes one stupid thing, like the spike proteins, well those just go out and do whatever they do, namely a very short trip up to the cell surface receptors they normally bind to, and the immune cells waltz by and "wots all dis den", and you know the rest
11:28:24 <T3sl4> the RNA nanolipid ones are doing the same thing, just without the viral vector
11:28:27 <Nothing\> i just find it amazing how far along vaccination technology's come in just what? 150 years of actual scientific study.
11:28:43 <T3sl4> just 50, or 20, or 10, or 5 even
11:28:43 <Nothing\> we've come a long way from blowing ground up smallpox scabs up peoples noses
11:29:15 <Nothing\> yeah the last 20, things have taken off at an amazing rate as it finally catches up to developing computer technology
11:29:27 <Nothing\> ori should say, as computer tech catches up with biology
11:29:44 <Nothing\> we already had the know-how. Just not the machines to do it for us.
11:29:57 <Nothing\> the human genome project's a great example of this
11:30:32 <Nothing\> i really hope we have the same sort of progress with this human connectome project. You hear about that one?
11:30:42 <Nothing\> you've probably heard of it, but aren't familiar with the name if you have.
11:30:42 <T3sl4> ya
11:30:49 <Nothing\> there ya go
11:31:03 <Nothing\> you just saved me and the rest of the channel a wall of text hah
11:32:16 <Nothing\> so this excerpt i quickly grabbed says the following:
11:32:19 <Nothing\> The estimated cost for generating that initial 'draft' human genome sequence is ~$300 million worldwide, of which NIH provided roughly 50-60%.
11:32:33 <Nothing\> which is actually a lot less than i expected
11:33:20 <Nothing\> and nature claims that a modern sequencing costs just $600
11:33:35 <Nothing\> with a $100 sequencing "just around the corner"
11:33:40 <Nothing\> whatever that means
11:35:02 <Nothing\> but from what i understand, when they say they "sequence" a genome, they're not talking about sequencing the entire thing start to finish. But rather just key parts of it. Though I could be mistaken about that.
11:35:13 <T3sl4> or a fair number of markers (more than the old school gel electrophoresis method they've used forever in forensics), enough to do reasonably confident familial and genetic testing
11:35:35 <T3sl4> as in the cheap testing services, but part of that cheap is sharing your DNA
11:35:48 <T3sl4> yeah, that
11:36:17 <Nothing\> man i should really learn more about biology. For some reason it's always been one of my least learned about sciences.
11:36:34 <Nothing\> my one cousin actually has a PhD in some field in biology
11:37:12 <Nothing\> so when I was helping to take some old electronics of my deceased uncles' off of my aunt's hands, I couldn't help but notice my cousin's old textbooks from when she was in school
11:37:27 <Nothing\> so i had to ask about striking a deal with her for them.
11:38:19 <Nothing\> In the end, I wound up getting them all for free. Though I recently offered her financial compensation because it feels weird taking probably thousands in textbooks off of her hands that she could have at least sold as used copies.
11:39:09 <Nothing\> and it's not just stuff about advanced biology. She's got books from her whole, it looks like at least her pre-grad days on biology and chemistry
11:39:16 <T3sl4> pfft, textbooks depreciate approx. 99% the day they're sold
11:39:28 <Nothing\> yeah i realize that
11:39:49 <Nothing\> and yet, if you buy a used textbook, it's still like 50% of its original value
11:40:20 <Nothing\> i felt bad having to pirate The Art of Electronics. But the 3rd edition is like $160 or something like thta
11:40:24 <T3sl4> if it's still relevant to the course, it's worth something
11:40:32 <Nothing\> and it's just a reference book. Not even a textbook.
11:40:59 <Nothing\> and i'd be surprised if the art of electronics was on any syllabus
11:41:04 <Nothing\> except maybe at harvard
11:41:11 <Nothing\> (that's where the authors work)
11:41:44 <Nothing\> man i've always regretted not getting into academia
11:41:59 <Nothing\> you know, i dropped out mid-way through grade 9
11:42:02 <T3sl4> i remember seeing AoE2 at beloit college
11:42:10 <Nothing\> i only ever earned 1 credit
11:42:23 <T3sl4> but that's a more general physics dept, not engineering as such
11:43:00 <Nothing\> T3sl4, yeah i've seen copies of it floating around on amazon much cheaper thand 3rd edition but I'd feel wrong reading an older edition. I'd constantly be thinking to myself "okay what am I missing out on?"
11:43:32 <T3sl4> they're written quite differently, intended that each remains useful
11:44:03 <Nothing\> plus i remember Dave saying how the internet's lousy with bootleg copies of it
11:44:08 <Nothing\> like, physical copies
11:44:50 <Nothing\> and with me being on a fixed income, my natural instinct is to look for the cheapest possible deal or alternative
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11:47:16 * T3sl4 drools on arch
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11:54:43 <Nothing\> huh, 2 chinese companies claim to have reached primacy on their super computers
11:55:03 <Nothing\> https://phys.org/news/2021-10-chinese-teams-primacy-quantum.html
11:55:14 <Nothing\> although i take everything posted on physorg a chunk of salt
11:55:37 <Nothing\> i used to be a huge fan of the site until i realized they care more about neat sounding articles than science
11:56:14 <Nothing\> and whatever happened to i fucking love science
11:56:33 <Nothing\> it seems like since i stopped following them on facebook 3 years ago they just disappeared off the face of the planet
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12:25:22 <Nothing\> T3sl4, even as we speak i'm lamenting that i'm unable to reply to a question on the q&a board on gamefaqs.com that were posted 13 years ago lol
12:26:10 <Nothing\> btw my channel broke 100 subs recently
12:27:06 <Nothing\> i dunno what happened but suddenly the views on my most popular video doubled in a matter of like a week, going from ~125k to 250k views, as did my number of subs going up to a whopping ~120 people
12:27:48 <T3sl4> wow
12:28:19 <Nothing\> it's just funny/sad that the next most popular video on my channel besides the clip from the 80's version of Dune is the only one i can't monetize
12:29:06 <Nothing\> the next most popular video is one of me after the dentist when he gave me a bit too much lidocaine and my mouth was actually paralyzed from it instead of just made numb
12:29:21 <Nothing\> and that got i think like 3,000 views
12:33:36 <Nothing\> lol i've almost maxed out all of my characters in ffiv
12:34:42 <Nothing\> I did a few hours of level grinding at first, and somehow ever since then i've been 10-15 levels ahead of what's suggested in these guides i'm going off of
12:35:40 <arch> hi
12:35:49 <Nothing\> hihihi
12:35:59 <Nothing\> how ya doing frond?
12:37:32 <Nothing\> interesting: https://ledoux.itch.io/bitsy
12:37:34 <EEVBot> [Title] - Bitsy Game Maker by Adam Le Doux
12:38:00 <Nothing\> i just looked and there are tons of these little game maker applets online
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12:57:13 <Nothing\> grr
12:57:39 <Nothing\> i can't find this vape cartridge i bought on saturday
12:57:50 <Nothing\> tore the house apart looking for it
12:58:03 <Nothing\> that pisses me off cuz that was supposed to be a nice treat to myself
12:59:03 <Nothing\> and i know i didn't already smoke it cuz i save all of my old cartridges cuz there's still some leftover in them. It's just not easy or convenient to get to so I save them for a rainy day.
12:59:25 <Nothing\> So if I had already smoked it, it should be among the spent cartridges
12:59:39 <Nothing\> unless...
12:59:46 <Nothing\> hrm maybe i left it in the car
12:59:53 <Nothing\> it's a long shot but i'm gonna check
13:00:19 <Nothing\> pisses me off cuz these things cost $50 a cartridge
13:06:36 <DHess_US> https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/qkd4nr/pov_youre_being_initiated_in_the_us_marine_corp/
13:06:37 <EEVBot> [Title] - Reddit - Dive into anything
13:44:00 <Nothing\> hrm i found this interesting... not really a zachlike game but i guess it's like if somebody optimized minecraft for building logic circuits, but without the redstone fuss
13:44:49 <Nothing\> https://store.steampowered.com/app/1054340/Logic_World/
13:44:51 <EEVBot> [Title] - Logic World on Steam
13:45:13 <Nothing\> definitely needs to be polished, but it has some great potential
13:46:19 <Nothing\> The only thing is, when I'm playing a game like this I just can't help but think "why don't you just download Logisim or use some other program to actually design real digital circuits?
13:46:33 <Nothing\> "
13:47:18 <Nothing\> which is basically the advice I beat everyone over the head with when they talk about how much they love redstone in minecraft
13:48:24 <Nothing\> link em to logisim and explain that they could be using it to design a computer within as little as a year or two and they're sold
14:00:40 <Nothing\> i wonder what the highest resolution you could get drawing in milk chocolate as a medium
14:01:25 <Nothing\> like, how small of a line, or detail or feature can you include while still having it make some meaningful if miniscule contribution to the overall work
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16:32:57 <steve30> hmm, youtube seems to have removed the 'Discussion' tab from channel pages
16:33:07 <steve30> well, i think that's what it was called
18:22:59 <Ysjoelfir> Morningses
18:29:07 <steve30> hi
19:31:03 <K> hello adapters
19:31:04 <EEVBot> Hello, K!
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20:03:28 <Halcyon> Evening probe
20:03:34 <Halcyon> Hey everyone else
20:04:03 <DogWomble> aInsert appropriate greeting here
20:04:29 <Ysjoelfir> mornings J
20:04:32 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Hercion
20:04:35 <Halcyon> :D
20:04:41 <Ysjoelfir> Hello Doggy
20:04:47 <DogWomble> hey Ysjoelfir
20:04:56 <Halcyon> Hello D-Style
20:05:54 <Halcyon> (That's you DogWomble)
20:08:14 <DogWomble> DogWomble, the D-Style D-Generation D-Generate
20:08:25 <Halcyon> :P
20:08:28 <Ysjoelfir> oh, new album from Skáld. Must.... Listen... now!
20:08:28 <Halcyon> Accurate
20:08:39 <Halcyon> What's a Skald?
20:09:25 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HugzyoCY6Us&list=PLA5-v_NPl-3Uafj4aOG3yRH0gxb8s159-&index=4
20:09:26 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: SKÁLD - Flúga
20:11:01 <Halcyon> Ohhh Viking band :P
20:11:03 <Halcyon> I like
20:11:47 <Halcyon> Old mate on the violin would be hot if he shaved :P
20:16:17 <Ysjoelfir> I like it as well, a lot.
20:16:34 <Ysjoelfir> and the violin guy..... nah. he looks good, but not what I would call hot
20:18:59 <Halcyon> Yeh because he has a beard :P
20:19:04 <Halcyon> He'd be hot without
20:20:17 <Ysjoelfir> strangely enough I would agree with that, I would very very rarely consider a guy with a beard being hot. well, maybe because I am not gay, I dunno. But I do think that several guys with beards look VERY good.
20:20:34 <Ysjoelfir> just not... hot-good
20:23:07 <Halcyon> Indeed
20:23:11 <Halcyon> And you don't need to be gay
20:23:32 <Ysjoelfir> I know
20:23:43 <DHess_US> I can think of a couple examples.
20:23:56 <Halcyon> You could just be ambi-sexual like T3sl4
20:24:01 <Ysjoelfir> People always wonder why I say that I think this or that guy is hot, despite not being gay.
20:24:02 <Halcyon> He doesn't give two shits
20:24:03 <Halcyon> :P
20:24:15 <Halcyon> Because it's normal Ysjoelfir ?
20:24:23 <Halcyon> I can appreciate when a woman is attractive
20:24:30 <Halcyon> Doesn't mean I want to sleep with her
20:24:32 <DHess_US> Or I could be homophobic but still appreciate how good a beard can look on some men.
20:24:34 <Ysjoelfir> IIIIIII know that. but many people don't
20:24:44 <Halcyon> Many people are stupid
20:25:55 <steve30> hi
20:26:11 <Ysjoelfir> hi steve :)
20:26:28 <steve30> today i'm feeling slightly better than yesterday
20:28:33 <DHess_US> Both Ian and Othais come to mind, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3A7okQlHP8
20:28:34 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Ian Can't Othais: 001
20:28:57 <DHess_US> Ian doesn't do a full beard though.
20:41:48 <Halcyon> What was wrong yesterday Steve?
20:42:28 <steve30> just illness
20:42:50 <steve30> anyway, i've got to pop out soon
20:45:44 <Halcyon> Is it the COVIDs Steve?
20:46:11 <steve30> nope
20:47:32 <Halcyon> Good stuff
20:51:37 <DogWomble> any jackbox fans lurking away in here?
20:54:34 <Ysjoelfir> jack in da bocks?
21:00:04 * T3sl4 waves at Halcyon
21:04:06 * Ysjoelfir waves ambi-sexually at T3sl4
21:04:16 <T3sl4> ohhh my
21:06:06 <K> with both hands?
21:06:23 <T3sl4> that's a sinister plot, K
21:12:06 <Halcyon> Herro T3sl4
21:51:57 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
21:53:18 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
21:53:23 <Halcyon> Come and tuck me in
21:53:33 <Ampera> nah
21:53:42 <Ampera> I don't want to catch your cooties
21:53:49 <Halcyon> Pfft, it's only the gay
21:54:09 <T3sl4> if you won't do it i will
21:54:19 <T3sl4> give Ampera cooties i mean
21:54:21 <Halcyon> I'll even little spoon for you T3sl4
22:07:54 <Ampera> I managed to fix notifications on my phone
22:08:12 <Ampera> I found a well hidden menu that shows all the things samsung disables for power saving
22:10:20 <K> no tity fications
22:11:02 * Ampera force feeds potates to K
22:11:43 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - LOL The media ran blanket coverage that this Hertz thing was a done deal. https://t.co/Krqr0hAqnc
22:12:33 <K> yaaassssss
22:12:48 <K> glorious potats
22:14:14 <steve30> Anyone know why my Windows XP boxes are unreliable at capturing DV video over Firewire?
22:14:20 <steve30> Windows 2000 and Linux seem fine.
22:14:42 <Ampera> same software on XP as on 2k?
22:15:12 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - I do wonder if you can add 100,000 qty of Tesla's to your web shopping cart order?...
22:16:10 <K> do drivers differ?
22:16:30 <Ampera> not much, some drivers between 2k/XP/2k3 are even compatible
22:16:32 <Ampera> if not all
22:16:40 <Ampera> my guess would be the hardware
22:16:50 <K> i mean - for steve
22:17:18 <steve30> same software
22:17:24 <steve30> don't know about drivers
22:17:27 <Ampera> have you tried more than one controller?
22:19:37 <steve30> no, as i don't have many. Its just that on the thinkpad, its fine on 2000, but slightly unreliable on XP. On my old desktop PC its fine on Linux but barely works at all on XP.
22:19:52 * steve30 will have to do some trial and error
22:20:11 <Ampera> Interesting
22:20:21 <Ampera> what SP of XP are you running
22:20:45 <Ampera> maybe later in life kernel patches broke something for some reason
22:21:52 <steve30> sp3
22:37:40 * steve30 needs coffee
22:38:13 <K> but does coffee need steve?
22:49:35 <steve30> yes
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