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15:03 <Watcher> Hello
15:23 <Ampera> who are you
15:25 <Ampera> why are you in my house
15:28 <Ampera> what are you doing
15:32 <Ampera> why are you petting my cats and eating my food
15:59 <Watcher> i am good
16:12 <Watcher> just back from the shoestore
16:19 <Ampera> nice
16:31 <Ampera> if I needed new shoes I would go to a shoestore
16:50 <Watcher> i have less shoe's now than i had before a got to the shoestore
17:12 <Ampera> about to decommission the mac mini I have tt-rss running on, and move it all to my proliant
17:35 <Ampera> It's extra fun because I never set up ssh on this box, so I have to do everything through a capture card and USB switch
20:50 <Ampera> ooo, I'm running Linux 5.9.13 on this box
25:57 <Kuschelpony> wow https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/25-oszilloskop-roehren-telefunken-valvo-tektronix-philips-gec/1722150824-234-4451
25:57 <EEVBot> [Title] - Error Page
26:20 <Kuschelpony> looks like thats pretty interesting for a group buy
27:32 <Kuschelpony> anyone needs TEK spare tubes?
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25:52 <coppice> interesting selection of CRTs there. Everything except the one you need.
27:13 <Kuschelpony> hihi
27:38 <Kuschelpony> i would be interested in perhaps three for some project ideas, but i also see how lots of others could be very interesting for other people
28:09 <Kuschelpony> im myself not a TEK nerd like some (perhaps aksing Ysjoelfir when he is online)
43:59 <Kuschelpony> something inspired by like https://antiqueradio.org/halli505.htm
44:00 <EEVBot> [Title] - Hallicrafters Model 505 (T-54) Television (1948)
59:39 <Kuschelpony> yeah, these were schematics https://www.cool386.com/400tv/400CCTAa.jpg
42:54 <Kuschelpony> thats artwork https://www.zabex.de/site/0083_081.jpg
52:05 <Nothing\> ugh
52:08 <Nothing\> cannabis oil
52:11 <Nothing\> so gross
52:21 <Nothing\> i've gotta start cooking with this stuff or something
52:35 <Nothing\> 10ml of what's essentially weed flavored cooking oil is too much to take at once
52:42 <Nothing\> then i burp the stuff all day
53:37 <Nothing\> not much flavor, but the oiliness is disgusting
54:05 <Nothing\> and for some reason being room temperature makes it even more gross
54:13 <Nothing\> i feel like it would be more pallatable if it were warmer
54:24 <Nothing\> like, body temp or slightly higher
54:29 <steve30> why do you need to cook with it?
54:46 <Nothing\> just so i don't have to eat almost a tablespoon of oil raw
55:02 <steve30> what do you need the oil for?
55:14 <Nothing\> so i can take the cannabis orally instead of smoking it
55:28 <Nothing\> or at least combine the two methods so i can make it stronger to compensate for my tolerance
56:02 <steve30> at risk of sounding repetitive, why do you need cannabis at all?
56:15 <Nothing\> I WAS planning on just letting it go and letting my brain reset back to normal. But i've been making such great progress tapering off of my clonazepam. I wanna try to push my cannabis use until I can at least get off my clonazepam
56:40 <Nothing\> i don't wanna have to quit, wait a month for my brain to reset, then start up again to finish tapering, only to have to quit again.
57:01 <Nothing\> steve30, cuz it's really been helping me to taper off of my one med that's been giving me problems
57:02 <steve30> is cannabis addictive?
57:07 <Nothing\> it is, actually
57:23 <Nothing\> they say it's not physically addictive, but i get some physical symptoms
57:37 <Nothing\> like loss of apetite and stomach upset, possibly due to not eating
58:07 <Nothing\> but loss of apetite's the big one. Then I get more anxious and restless and just ansty in general
58:17 <Nothing\> like my brain's all sped up
58:26 <steve30> how long have you been coming off clonazepam for?
58:35 <Nothing\> and difficulty sleeping
58:45 <Nothing\> ah the kpin i've been on since last february
58:55 <Nothing\> i started it when i was expecting to go to prison for over a year
59:01 * Ampera hugs Nothing\
59:04 <Nothing\> i figured if i go in with a script, it'll make my time easier
59:09 <Ampera> how are you doing?
59:13 <Nothing\> which, it did. even if i didn't do a year
59:23 <Nothing\> hey Ampera i'm doing pretty good. How about you?
59:36 <Ampera> Good, in the car, just had lunch
59:45 <Nothing\> nice. Hot weather there today?
59:59 <Nothing\> i just had my breakfast
00:07 <Nothing\> bottle of methadone and my cannabis oil lol
00:18 <Nothing\> i'll surely grow up big and strong on this diet
00:37 <Nothing\> cuz everyone knows cannabis is perfectly 100% harmless and never did any sort of harm to anyone ever
00:54 * Nothing\ is channeling his inner pro-cannabis activist
01:02 <Nothing\> tbh i always hated those people
01:23 <Nothing\> especially when medicinal marijuana was a thing, before federal legalization
01:33 <Nothing\> they'd use medical marijuana as an excuse to get stoned
01:57 <Ampera> not that hot
02:11 <Nothing\> saying they need it for their anxiety or whatever. I can't speak for others, but personally cannabis makes my anxiety worse. That's the whole reason I quit it in the first place.
02:27 <Ampera> dropping my brother off, then going food shopping
02:36 <Nothing\> Ampera, that's good. It was unbearable most of this week, then it figures I get my portable AC set up and the temperature goes down
02:46 <Nothing\> luckily i didn't bother with the non-portable one
03:04 <Nothing\> i figured with the portable one going upstairs, the cool air would trickle downstairs
03:23 <Nothing\> even so, it's still like 27-28 degrees in the living room, which is like...
03:26 <Nothing\> lemme see here
03:42 <Nothing\> 82.5f
03:44 <steve30> i wonder if cannabis would be any good for my anxiety/other problems, but its still illegal here.
03:56 <steve30> There are /some/ forms you cna get with a prescription, but it looks expensive
03:57 <Nothing\> not too bad, i guess. I used to keep it between 78 and 82 in my room back in the day
04:26 <Nothing\> steve30, they say cbd oil is good for it cuz it's not psychedelic and doesn't get you stoned like THC. But apparently has more medicinal properties.
04:44 <Nothing\> I've heard some real wonder stories about CBD oil being used to treat seizure disorders as a last resort
04:48 <Nothing\> even in toddlers
05:10 <Nothing\> parently exhausted all options, try CBD oil and the seizures miraculously stop.
05:38 <Nothing\> there's even a little girl who has a strain named after her. Charlotte's Web.
06:51 <Nothing\> Cuz she was one of the first toddler patients to use CBD oil to treat seizures but at the time, there were no strains that were rich in CBD cuz with weed, CBD gets converted into THC, so the more THC there is, the less CBD and the strains are always bred for more THC cuz of course people just wanna get stoned off of it.
06:53 <steve30> Nothing\, I've gone a whole month without taking any of my citalopram tablets now.
07:22 <Nothing\> So these guys worked day and night to come up with a hybrid plant that produced as much CBD as possible while producing as little THC as possible for this little girl
07:35 <Nothing\> steve30, that's awesome. I'm assuming
07:46 <Nothing\> i took citalopram for a short while. didn't like it much.
07:59 <Nothing\> i never had any luck with SSRIs/SNRIs or anything like that
08:26 <steve30> I started lowering the dose in January. Got it down to one tablet per week by May so I eventually gave up completely.
08:31 <Nothing\> at best, zoloft just made me eat a bottle with 95 tylenols in it.
08:47 <Nothing\> yeah that's about the timeline i've been following for my clonazepam
08:54 <Nothing\> i started tapering in january.
09:12 <steve30> I could have probably done it quicker if I'd been really enthusiastic.
09:18 <Nothing\> atm i'm at about half of what i started on. Which is really promising. I rarely get tangible benefits when tapering from drugs.
09:37 * steve30 has felt like death warmed up most of this year.
09:38 <Nothing\> steve30, yeah but ime, doing it faster reduces your chances of success
09:50 <Nothing\> cuz you go too fast, then the withdrawal symptoms get too strong
10:03 <Nothing\> and you just snap and take a full dose, or more than you normally would.
10:12 <Nothing\> just cuz you want the suffering to end asap
10:17 <Nothing\> oh man that's weird.
10:37 <Nothing\> i woke up this morning thinking i had a dream about like a 2,000 amp fuse or something really high like that
10:52 <Nothing\> and i could even remember inside it had these sort of fins that connected one side to the other
11:24 <Nothing\> then i realized that wasn't a dream, it really happened. I watched that photonic inductions video he just posted where he popped a kiloamp fuse.
12:01 <Kuschelpony> im happy that the biggest fuse i killed was a 32amp one at 400v
12:02 <Nothing\> it didn't seem to work very well though cuz after he popped it, he was able to pop it a second time cuz some of the fins still remained connected.
12:19 <Nothing\> heh, biggest fuse i popped was what? 250ma?
12:31 <Nothing\> whatever was on the low amp setting for my crappy $20 meter
12:40 <steve30> I've popped a few BS1362 fuses
12:54 <Nothing\> but i had no fuses at all back then, so i bought a whole box of 100 of them from china
13:05 <Nothing\> i've only used 2 since i got that box like 2 years ago lol
13:18 <Nothing\> i think i popped the fuse in my kill-a-watt meter, too.
13:43 <Nothing\> every time i try to set it to amps, watts, watt hours, etc, it the display just shows all 8s
14:22 <Nothing\> i didn't like the kill-a-watt compared to what i've seen from the hopi anyways. I woulda got a hopi if I knew for certain it works on north american plugs
14:36 <Nothing\> like, that it can be plugged into north american mains
14:51 <DHess_US> The kill-a-watt's virtue is low price.
15:11 <Nothing\> DHess_US, i woulda rather paid an extra $40 and got the convenience of a hopi
15:15 <DHess_US> It works fine, although a kill-a-watt only measures forward power.
15:28 <Nothing\> for one thing, only being able to take readings directly from the outlet is a pain in the rear
15:38 <DHess_US> If you hook it up backwards, it shows the same forward reading even though power is flowing backwards.
16:08 <Nothing\> then the display isn't even lighted, so while you've got it in the corner and you're trying to read it in the dark with no illumination you can't see for shit.
16:27 <Nothing\> DHess_US, that's stupid
16:42 <Nothing\> how are you supposed to tell negative from positive flow?
17:05 <DHess_US> You aren't. It might just be an oversight.
17:19 <Nothing\> you'd have to rig up some super haphazard circuit to measure the power/amperage with a meter
17:34 <Nothing\> and i wouldn't imagine measuring current with a meter would be very safe
17:47 <DHess_US> I had an opportunity to make a set of reversed cables to hook one up backwards deliberately.
18:12 <Nothing\> you sure it's not like an analog DC ammeter
18:17 <Nothing\> where they just put a diode on it
18:38 <Nothing\> ugh speaking of one way avenues
18:41 <Nothing\> i've gotta poop, brb
18:42 <DHess_US> Someone in the forums wanted to know if a kill-a-watt could be used to measure power including reverse power from a grid interactive inverter. It can't.
19:17 <steve30> i wouldn't mind a Hopi
19:22 <DHess_US> No Nothing\, it isn't like that. The kill-a-watt measures reactive power correctly, but the sign doesn't get carried forward for true reversed power.
19:57 <DHess_US> It measures total power through the device, and adds forward and reverse power.
34:40 <Kuschelpony> sad to see how people destroy good CRTs by ignorance https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/alte-telefunken-roehren-3-stueck-fuer-sammler-je-5-/1551981829-168-5659
34:41 <EEVBot> [Title] - Error Page
38:26 <Nothing\> DHess_US, ah okay
38:37 <Nothing\> i never really measured PF with it
40:02 <Nothing\> damn cat thinks the screen door's her own personal jungle gym
40:18 <Nothing\> luckily it has a thick screen on it that you can't see shit through
44:33 <Nothing\> interactive breath of wild map
44:41 <Nothing\> oops, wrong window
46:38 <Nothing\> why do i feel like i'm the only person who owns a switch
46:50 <Nothing\> of all my friends, everyone i know, nobody else owns one
48:23 <Nothing\> I guess nobody else has a spare $1,000 to spend on the system, and a few games
48:54 <Nothing\> I put down about $800CAD for my system new and two $80 games. Plus 13% tax.
51:30 <DHess_US> I'm no console peasant.
12:22 <Nothing\> heh i just like it for the games you can't get on PC
12:31 <Nothing\> like breath of wild or mario odyssey
12:54 <Nothing\> the ones on PC cost you like $40 for a game that's normally like $10 on Steam
14:12 <Nothing\> man wtf is wrong with netfilx
14:23 <Nothing\> it was just playing the ad for a show WHILE the show was playing
16:29 <Nothing\> like, you can hear the ad playing as the show itself is trying to play
16:54 <Nothing\> i always hated that ad shit anyways. You just can't leave netflix alone without it making noise. And very loud noise, at that.
17:02 <Nothing\> advertising loud.
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14:27 <Lemon> waddup waddup
15:34 <rust_collector> grill is heating UP
15:53 <Lemon> good good
16:01 <Lemon> I was at a house clearance this morning with the mother
16:05 <Kuschelpony> searching where i placed that ferrit toroid that i had in my hand few minutes ago, wanted to wind one last transformer for today
16:07 <Lemon> we found some neat thingies
16:37 <Lemon> heh, the house surely ate it
16:43 <Lemon> mine eats all sort of things
16:48 <Lemon> especially things you need right now
16:51 <rust_collector> how many transformers are you making?
17:24 <Lemon> look rusty https://imgur.com/a/qGtitLJ
17:25 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
17:34 <Lemon> I need to clean them, but they are in really good shape
17:53 <Lemon> pliers are from "Euco", the demultiplied cutter is a facom one
17:55 <Kuschelpony> two... to try out different circuits for a small DCDC converter
17:57 <Lemon> rest, I cant see
18:03 <Lemon> 5.5 euros for all
18:05 <steve30> I've caught the sun on the back of my legs
18:20 <Kuschelpony> the one was finished before the rainfall, the second waited until past some minutes
19:52 <rust_collector> hmm, how small do you mean? people have different views on sizes of things, lol. is it phone charger-ish or will it run only small trains?
20:30 <Kuschelpony> depends on how small the train ist perhaps yes :)
21:25 <Kuschelpony> looking for 10 to 20W with bipolar output for a small audio amp to run it from a 19v rail
22:21 <rust_collector> ok, that sounds like a nice project
23:41 <Kuschelpony> im not sure how to translate 2Fingerübung" into english, its just a kind of "well i can, and want to play with it to waste time, and i could use it to make another project somewhat easier"
30:46 <Lemon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxsn49wI26Q thats really an impressive machine
30:48 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Best of Waterjet Cutting
30:55 <Lemon> I wonder how much cost this type of hing
30:57 <Lemon> thing
32:19 <rust_collector> wth? is exploding pigs a common thing in germany?
34:48 <Kuschelpony> what do you mean?
35:19 <rust_collector> I am grilling some pork pieces, and one of them went boom, and jumped out of the grill...
36:04 <Kuschelpony> oopsie
37:51 <Lemon> so the machine is around 300-330k USD
37:56 <Lemon> I thoght it'd be more
38:21 <Lemon> thats a dream for somebody that likes to build all sort of things, but I fear you'd use it for everything and lose interest in hand tools
41:39 <rust_collector> $330k is what you would pay for a small island. sounds like an idea
43:10 <rust_collector> I am pretty sure you would lose interest in grinding your way thru metal, but I am also pretty sure I would do a bit of hand tool work before I sat down to program that thing to do anything
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44:04 <rust_collector> BOOM!
44:34 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
45:02 <Nothing\> ffs
45:07 <Ysjoelfir> no
45:21 <Nothing\> you ever use a door right after somebody who's been wearing way too much perfume or body spray or some other smelly shit
45:36 <Kuschelpony> Hello ysol
45:47 <Nothing\> i musta done that like 30 mins ago at the vape shop cuz my hands reek like some 16 year old girl's body spray or something
45:51 <Kuschelpony> i thought about you a few hours ago, lets see if i find the link again
45:52 <Nothing\> i can't get the smell off
45:55 <rust_collector> have you ever noticed a 55 year old woman getting off a train?
46:00 <Nothing\> also hello guys
46:06 <Nothing\> rust_collector, hehe once
46:08 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Kuschelpony :)
46:15 <Ysjoelfir> hi rusty
46:18 <Nothing\> actually, trains aren't as popular here in north america
46:20 <rust_collector> HEY!
46:34 <MrMobodies> Hello
46:37 <Nothing\> although in this part of canada commuter trains are really popular
46:39 <MrMobodies> I am very pleased
46:48 <MrMobodies> I found what I spent all night on
46:52 <Ysjoelfir> hi mr Mopleasy
46:53 <Nothing\> lotsa people use them to commute between toronto and surrounding cities
47:02 <MrMobodies> Firefox 59.0.1 Developer Edition apk
47:09 <rust_collector> I like canadian trains, they are not as careful as the us train guys
47:12 <MrMobodies> I can turn off the things I don't want to see
47:15 <Nothing\> we even have double decker buses here as part of that commuter service
47:22 <MrMobodies> strange how the new editions don't
47:24 <Nothing\> some of their routes use double decker buses instead of trains
47:27 <MrMobodies> disable the auto zoom
47:36 <MrMobodies> and no dimming on keyboard url
47:54 <MrMobodies> and i can install extensions from the mozilla site until 68
48:12 <Nothing\> so, not only has canada committed genocide up until 1998. We have double decker buses and the temperature goes up above 100f on a regular basis (during the summer)
48:24 <Nothing\> goes against everything everyone thought they knew about canada
48:38 <MrMobodies> when typing in the search bar it does cover up the contents, the only thing I don't like
48:39 <rust_collector> maybe everyone in canada, I dunno?
48:42 <Nothing\> especially that genocide thing. That just came out and it's got me really depressed.
48:48 <MrMobodies> but it doesn't drag up suggestions or my search history
48:53 <Kuschelpony> ah hier wars https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/25-oszilloskop-roehren-telefunken-valvo-tektronix-philips-gec/1722150824-234-4451
48:54 <EEVBot> [Title] - Error Page
49:06 <Kuschelpony> für den TEK-Sammler
49:08 <Nothing\> telefunken
49:15 <Nothing\> didn't they make those sorta logic modules
49:22 <Nothing\> back in the 60s or 70s
49:27 <Kuschelpony> that was AEG
49:28 <Ysjoelfir> woah! Und sogar quasi um die Ecke :D
49:29 <MrMobodies> and three starred entry (unremovable) relevant to mozilla
49:35 <MrMobodies> so that's a lot better
49:37 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, you sure? that name doesn't sound familiar
49:41 <Kuschelpony> i do have somewhere the catalogue with them
50:03 <Kuschelpony> Nothing, i think Geamatic was the trade name, but its literally in cubic meters of old book
50:05 <Nothing\> i can look it up. I came across the catalogue once in a wiki article but damned if i remember what the article was about.
50:22 <Kuschelpony> general electric did something similar named NORBits
50:39 <Kuschelpony> Ysjoelfir, von mir aus gerne Sammelkauf :)
50:41 <Nothing\> what i'd like to find is the section of this old motorola databook for the ECL10000 seriese of chips
50:48 <Nothing\> the ones that used emitter coupled logic
50:54 <Kuschelpony> puh thats certainly not in my collection :(
51:03 <Nothing\> the book's like 600 pages and i've yet to figure out where that specific section is
51:19 <Nothing\> my kingdom for a pdf where the page numbers actually correspond to the page numbers in the book
51:21 <Kuschelpony> oh only 600, thats something i mentally scan in an hour
51:21 <Nothing\> lol
51:37 <Kuschelpony> perhaps in half one when i am quick
51:41 <Kuschelpony> no, seriously
51:47 <Nothing\> yeah it's easier when it's a physical book
52:03 <Kuschelpony> i do have liertally cubic meters of physical books from 50s to 90s
52:18 <Nothing\> doubly so when you have a slow computer that takes time to load parts of the pdf as you scan through it
52:19 <Kuschelpony> well, some crap should be sorted out...
52:51 <Kuschelpony> i meant of my book collection, but surely also crap PDFs
52:54 <Nothing\> i remember trying to scan through hundreds of pages on a pdf on a raspberry pi. I gave up after like 5 minutes cuz every time I scrolled it'd have to reload a hand full of pages.
53:34 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/zpdHvYL.png
53:38 <MrMobodies> isn't that a lot better?
53:46 <Nothing\> especially when it came to images, it'd take literally minutes to load if there were full page images near where I stopped scrolling.
53:51 <MrMobodies> it does bring some url's I search but I can remove them easily
54:24 <Nothing\> I was trying to go through material for court. So there were images and stuff as part of the evidence and shit like that. And I couldn't even look at it cuz the Pi was so slow.
54:29 <MrMobodies> but soon they'd be problems with websites when it doesn't support new stuff
54:37 <MrMobodies> ooh going to court?
54:48 <Nothing\> I wound up just making my lawyer's office print it out LIKE THEY GOT PAID TO DO IN THE FIRST DAMN PLACE
54:56 <Nothing\> i swear that lawyer was fucking useless
55:19 <Nothing\> in 2 years of litigation, he met with me ONCE for less than an hour.
55:38 <Nothing\> there was over 400 pages of material. He didn't even read it until the day before court.
56:13 <Nothing\> he was as effective as a fuckin teenager doing a homework project or something.
56:40 <Nothing\> i wound up coming up with my own defense and everything. Which I didn't even need cuz i took a plea bargain instead.
57:05 <Nothing\> the way I saw it, 3 months in jail for certain beat 1-2 years potentially.
57:14 <rust_collector> I still wonder why my german pig blew up
57:22 <Nothing\> german pig?
57:26 <rust_collector> yes
57:32 <Nothing\> deutsch swine?
57:41 <Nothing\> is swine the german word for pig?
57:42 <rust_collector> close to that, yes
57:43 <Nothing\> or wurst?
58:01 <rust_collector> no
58:03 <Nothing\> i keep forgetting what country you're from
58:06 <Nothing\> i wanna say finland
58:08 <rust_collector> norway
58:11 <Nothing\> that's it
58:13 <Nothing\> close
58:24 <Nothing\> they share the same peninsula, don't they?
58:29 <rust_collector> yes, it is just a sweden and a sea away from here
58:38 <Nothing\> ah
58:51 <Nothing\> i couldn't live there, man
58:51 <rust_collector> we do have a border with them up north
59:02 <rust_collector> well, that is fine
59:05 <Nothing\> i don't tolerate cold very well at all. Despite being Canadian.
59:14 <Nothing\> But I'm pretty far south for Canada.
59:17 <rust_collector> it is not very cold down here
59:39 <Nothing\> yeah
59:51 <Nothing\> i'm at about 42.5 degrees north latitude
00:03 <rust_collector> doesn't matter
00:08 <Nothing\> which is the same as southern oregon. Almost the same as california
00:29 <Nothing\> well i'm just saying that cuz most people think canada's way further north.
00:37 <Nothing\> Which really, like 95% of it is lol
00:55 <rust_collector> I am at 59.4
01:03 <Nothing\> jeez
01:12 <Nothing\> see and here we say anything north of 60 is the arctic
01:21 <rust_collector> still close to the southern end
01:29 <Nothing\> you even get a special tax credit from the government for living north of 60
02:03 <Nothing\> cuz something like 90% of canada's population lives within 100km of the border
02:18 <Nothing\> cuz the rest of canada is just uninhabitable arctic tundra
02:44 <Nothing\> and praries in the middle of Canada, like Saskatchewan and Alberta
02:51 <Nothing\> we call those the praries
03:31 <Nothing\> we even have these badlands in Alberta. Looks exactly like something out of Arizona or something. Looks all like a desert and stuff. So cool. I'd love to go there some time.
03:52 <Nothing\> Lotsa fossils around there, too. and not just ammonites, which are a dime a dozen here.
04:23 <Nothing\> We've got the limestone cliffs of the niagara escarptment, so there are lots of ammonites and little fossils like that in them.
04:53 <Nothing\> actually, a bit further north, around Tobermory we've got some of the oldest rocks in the world. Over 4 billion years old.
05:11 <MrMobodies> I am confused
05:12 <Nothing\> I think they're only second oldest next to those ones on the west coast of Australia.
05:25 <MrMobodies> are you the one who was accused of touch some girl last year?
05:25 <Nothing\> MrMobodies, it goes in the vagina. OR so I'm told.
05:32 <Nothing\> haha yeah
05:37 <Nothing\> my brother's ex wife
05:39 <MrMobodies> so that is still going on
05:57 <Nothing\> sorta. I'm still on probation for it. But the court's over and everything.
06:04 <MrMobodies> I'd thought your house arrest would have
06:05 <Nothing\> and I'm only on probation till february.
06:08 <MrMobodies> ooh so that's good
06:18 <MrMobodies> after that you are cleared
06:22 <Nothing\> Yup. Making good progress.
06:23 <MrMobodies> oh next february
06:28 <Nothing\> For the most part, yeah.
06:47 <Nothing\> I still have to stay on the sex offender registry until like 2030 or something :/
07:03 <MrMobodies> sex offender? wow
07:08 <Nothing\> but that basically just consists of letting the cops know where I live once a year and that's it. It's not a public list like the States.
07:11 <MrMobodies> it's not like you go out there
07:19 <MrMobodies> and frequently try to impregnate women
07:22 <MrMobodies> out of random
07:24 <Nothing\> Yeah. But I'm sure after some time I can have that all wiped from my record.
07:41 <Nothing\> MrMobodies, well, i have got an estranged daughter lol
07:49 <Nothing\> she'll be 18 this year :o
08:28 <MrMobodies> the register is suppose to protect people... by putting people like you on there, they'd too many and won't be easy find the real and persistent predators
08:36 <Nothing\> but to be perfectly frank, i haven't actually had sex in 13 years so yeah. I certainly don't go around trying to oggle women. Or impregnate them.
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08:55 <Nothing\> Plus, thanks to being addicted to methadone, my testosterone's lower than an 80 year old lady's.
09:05 <Nothing\> so everything's pretty well dead down there.
09:10 <Nothing\> oh hey WunHungLo
09:15 <MrMobodies> I don't think it is appropriate putting you on there
09:17 <Nothing\> how's it going? :) lol
09:28 <MrMobodies> you were under the influence of drugs (and do things you wouldn't normally do)
09:43 <Nothing\> MrMobodies, it is what it is. I've come to just accept whatever happens cuz tehre's really nothing else i can do about it.
09:58 Quit: WunHungLo ([email protected]) Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
10:02 <Nothing\> but like i said, it's pretty much over by now anyways. Aside from the registry and probation.
10:13 <MrMobodies> did you also show me your tools some days ago
10:23 <MrMobodies> the knipper pliers and breadboard stuff?
10:36 <MrMobodies> oh that was Lemon
10:45 <Nothing\> And atm I'm being made to take a group counselling thing for sex offenders. Which really isn't that bad cuz the probation officer doing it knows we don't want to do it so she sorta just skips through most of it.
10:47 <MrMobodies> sorry I get confused easy
10:52 <Nothing\> no worries :)
10:58 <rust_collector> Nothing\ this is a place I can almost see from here, if you want to read text and stuff: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/T%C3%B8nsberg
10:59 <EEVBot> [Title] - TÃ¸nsberg - Wikiwand
11:02 <Lemon> might have been me yes :>
11:04 <MrMobodies> skips through it she can see some sense
11:06 <Nothing\> but no that was lemon i believe
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11:16 <MrMobodies> save her energy for the real offender
11:18 <Nothing\> i wasn't here for it, but it sounds like lemon. :)
11:27 <Lemon> speaking of tools, I received my little pick n place tool
11:27 <Nothing\> MrMobodies, yeah no shit.
11:32 <Lemon> and shit, its super good lol
11:38 <Nothing\> I'm pretty much the last person who would offend
11:39 <Lemon> im impressed, for 12 bucks
11:56 <Nothing\> i only groped my brother's ex cuz we were really familiar and i was drunk and on sleeping pills.
12:00 <MrMobodies> pick n place
12:24 <MrMobodies> https://miro.medium.com/max/6934/1*A3xj5khMNePDYUbv2-f29Q.jpeg
12:27 <MrMobodies> oh one of those
12:29 <MrMobodies> interesting
12:36 <Lemon> not exactly :>
12:40 <Nothing\> and i was getting testosterone shots at the time, which rendered my testosterone levels many times higher than normal. Which I figure weakened my resolve to some degree at least.
12:40 <Lemon> wait a sec
13:16 <Lemon> https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/33033535801.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.52226c370BZsAg
13:18 <EEVBot> [Title] - Pro'sKit – stylo d'aspiration antistatique MS B126, mandrin à vide électrique puissant, pour puces SMT IC, pièces électroniques, dispositif d'absorption d'objectif | AliExpress
13:21 <Nothing\> I mean, I'm not saying I'm blame free by any means. I did it. It's my mistake. I've learned from it. But there were mitigating factors which I think I wouldn't have done it otherwise.
13:50 <Nothing\> like the testosterone and the recreational drugs mixed with booze
13:56 <Nothing\> that's always a recipe for trouble.
14:07 <MrMobodies> drugs
14:11 <MrMobodies> I stay away from them
14:16 <MrMobodies> even medication when I can
14:21 <MrMobodies> I don't even want my jab
14:28 <Nothing\> yeah it took me a long time to figure out it's better to stay away from them.
14:30 <MrMobodies> I am scared of needles and the implicatons
14:54 <MrMobodies> when addiction is brought into it that when there are demons
14:54 <Nothing\> well, I guess part of me always knew. But I was in denial for the longest time cuz I put said drugs on a pedestal
14:57 <Lemon> thats funny, everybody things of needles when talking about drugs like heroin etc
15:09 <MrMobodies> that reposses you and control you through urges and desires
15:13 <Nothing\> yeah i only ever used needles a few times
15:20 <Nothing\> and only ever with opiates like once or twice
15:20 <Lemon> I probably snorted/smoked/ate/drank all kind of drugs you can find here and more, yet I never injected myself anything
15:30 <Nothing\> when I did heroin, I snorted it.
15:36 <Lemon> yep, same
15:42 <Lemon> as 95% of people I knew
15:43 <MrMobodies> oh have you seen a film
15:47 <MrMobodies> in 1997
15:49 <Lemon> it was quite uncommon here
15:53 <Lemon> requiem for a dream I guess
15:54 <Lemon> xd
15:56 <Nothing\> But I only did it a few times cuz it's impossible to tell how much is in it. And I'm super anal about how big my doses are.
15:59 <MrMobodies> I found it a bit sickening this film
16:07 <Nothing\> I almost overdosed the first time I did heroin actually.
16:20 <Lemon> by snorting it ?
16:24 <Nothing\> I did a small line. Waited maybe 10 mins. Didn't feel anything.
16:26 <Nothing\> lol yeah
16:29 <MrMobodies> Trainspotting
16:36 <Nothing\> so I started preparing another line
16:39 <MrMobodies> that had drugs in there
16:45 <Lemon> hmmm well if you call puking like fuck overdosing, which is kinda true then yeah I can understand
17:02 <Nothing\> by the time i prepared it, it had been 15 minutes since i snorted my first line. So it was only just now starting to kick in.
17:03 <Lemon> but I doubt you could die from snorting
17:11 <Nothing\> And I was nodding super hard.
17:20 <Nothing\> Lemon, you can die from just eating the stuff.
17:38 <Lemon> well eating stuff is more potent so I believe it yeah
17:39 <MrMobodies> if I had someone say a friend doing that I wouldn't know what to do to help
17:42 <Lemon> but snorting, hmmmmm
17:53 <MrMobodies> without them getting in trouble with the law
17:55 <Nothing\> it may be harder or less likely. But it's still possible. I mean you're still putting the same drug into your body. It's just the route of administration that's different.
18:01 <MrMobodies> there's no help for them
18:06 <Lemon> ho there is
18:10 <MrMobodies> apart from jail if they are repeat offenders
18:12 <Lemon> gladly we have subutex/methadone
18:17 <Nothing\> But anyways, by the time I was ready to snort the second line, I was nodding so hard I was basically comatose.
18:21 <Lemon> without it, I'd still be in the streets
18:25 <MrMobodies> they only thing and I could get in trouble if it went wrong
18:27 <Lemon> now im a "normal" human being
18:33 <MrMobodies> kidnap them lock them in a room and
18:39 <Nothing\> So if I did that second line, which was the same size as the first, I most certainly would have overdosed.
18:41 <MrMobodies> and cook and feed them
18:50 <MrMobodies> and encourage them to live a different life
18:54 <Lemon> the human body is quite strong
18:55 <MrMobodies> but that'd be too ideal
19:01 <Lemon> but injecting, yeah its easy to od
19:01 <rust_collector> cook and feed them to who?
19:04 <Nothing\> Lemon, oh i know man. Methadone's been a literal lifesaver for me.
19:10 <Lemon> thats actually where most peep do it
19:16 <MrMobodies> how do it save you life
19:21 <MrMobodies> the mehtadone ?
19:24 <Nothing\> except now I'm more addicted to opioids than I was using recreational opioids.
19:32 <Lemon> it replaces opioids addiction
19:41 <Lemon> by a controlled, medication thing you can buy
19:48 <Nothing\> cuz when I first got on methadone, it sorta went to my head how easy it was to get a script for opiates
19:49 <MrMobodies> like how vapour is suppose to replace cigerates
19:55 <Lemon> how much you take daily ?
20:02 <Nothing\> so for the first few weeks i kept increasing my dose more and more and more
20:07 <Nothing\> higher than I really needed.
20:16 <Lemon> yeah we probably all did
20:23 <Lemon> I managed to lower it tho
20:25 <MrMobodies> you know I have addictions too... that I find hard to break but nothing like that or serious
20:29 <Nothing\> But I eventually caught myself and stopped what I was doing. So I'm on 80mg now.
20:30 <Lemon> its been hmmm 3.5 years I think
20:35 <MrMobodies> I like things to be in a certain way
20:38 <Nothing\> But I probably woulda been fine on 40mg or so.
20:39 <MrMobodies> I have a routine
20:43 <Lemon> well heroin is easy to stop with methadone
20:48 <Lemon> cocaine, thats another story
20:58 <MrMobodies> cocaine being different?
20:59 <Nothing\> yeah, heroin's super easy compared to methadone
21:11 <Lemon> yeah theres no susbstitution for cocaine
21:15 <Nothing\> MrMobodies, yeah, cocaine doesn't have any real physical withdrawals to it.
21:17 <Lemon> like methadone/subutex for opioids
21:23 <Lemon> hhhhheeehh
21:26 <Lemon> I wouldnt say that
21:34 <Lemon> its just super hard to stop
21:39 <Lemon> as theres virtually no meds to replace it
21:41 <MrMobodies> is that what some cultures use on celebrations?
21:50 <MrMobodies> when they are worshipping their god
21:52 <Nothing\> I mean, you'll probably feel physical symptoms. But not as severe as a drug which actually causes physical dependence like a benzodiazepine or opioids.
21:56 <Lemon> not really
22:07 <Nothing\> with cocaine, the hard part is the cravings.
22:08 <Lemon> dimetyltryptamines, or other shady stuff
22:11 <Nothing\> Like cigarettes.
22:14 <Lemon> yeah
22:17 <MrMobodies> oh I know some take small amounts when worhsipping
22:26 <Lemon> benzo are probably the worst yes
22:28 <MrMobodies> can't remember what countries they were now
22:31 <Lemon> you can die from withdrawals
22:33 <Nothing\> You don't get physical withdrawal from nicotine, but holy shit do you ever get massive cravings for it.
22:58 <MrMobodies> I have massive craving for a Mc Chicken sandwich
22:58 <Lemon> the only drugs where withdrawals can kill you are benzos and alchohol
22:59 <rust_collector> MrMobodies are you talking about tribes who chew leaves and stuff?
23:04 <MrMobodies> and chocolate milshake
23:08 <MrMobodies> oh yes
23:12 <Lemon> yeah ayahuasca I guess
23:17 <Lemon> whatever is it spelt
23:22 <MrMobodies> I hear they smoke drugs too during their celebrations
23:30 <rust_collector> as you should
23:31 <MrMobodies> and incense
23:33 <Lemon> I only smoked dmt once
23:39 <Nothing\> with nicotine, I always tell people it's like having somebody in your head and every minute or two he's like "hey man, you have a cigarette yet? Go have a cigarette! You Need cigarette! You're gonna freak out and have a panic attack if you don't have a cigarette soon!"
23:41 <Nothing\> and so on
23:46 <MrMobodies> I remember an article from 2004
23:54 <MrMobodies> I think it was about then
23:57 <Nothing\> i've never had a cocaine habit tbh but that's what i imagine it's like for cocaine, too
23:59 <MrMobodies> a drug called GBL
24:00 <Lemon> it was quite intense, like a strong rush mescaline trip, but after 10 minutes it was totally done
24:10 <Nothing\> MrMobodies, ahaha i used gbl
24:19 <Lemon> bleurg
24:20 <Nothing\> did you melt your keyboard with it too?
24:20 <Lemon> I never liked it
24:27 <MrMobodies> actually it was from 2013 and still uo
24:28 <MrMobodies> https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/pictured-girl-ravaged-by-party-drug-930617
24:30 <EEVBot> [Title] - Pictured: Girl ravaged by party drug GBL - Manchester Evening News
24:31 <Nothing\> cuz everyone i know who used gbl melted their keyboard with it
24:52 <Lemon> thats what you use to make GHB
24:56 <Lemon> "rape drug"
25:03 <Nothing\> Lemon, you don't even need to make ghb from it
25:11 <Lemon> its basically alcool/mdma effects, with a bonus coma if you take too much
25:12 <Nothing\> it's metabolized directly into ghb in your body
25:14 <Lemon> ho I know
25:15 <MrMobodies> I hope you don't end up looking like that
25:19 <Nothing\> with no harmful metabolites
25:20 <Lemon> but its easier to take
25:23 <MrMobodies> that would be one incentive for you to stop
25:30 <Nothing\> Lemon, yeah and probably to store and transport
25:32 <Lemon> yeye we were taking gbl directly too
25:37 <Lemon> I actually never saw ghb
25:45 <Lemon> it taste horrible tho
25:50 <Lemon> I didnt like it tbh
25:55 <Lemon> shady stuff
25:58 <MrMobodies> she fell over a lot
26:03 <Lemon> isnt it a rim cleaner ?
26:12 <MrMobodies> broke all her teeth in one article I was reading
26:19 <MrMobodies> and damaged her skin
26:21 <Nothing\> i put 2ml of gbl in a plastic water bottle full of orange juice to take to work. And even just that 2ml was enough to soften the bottle to the point where it was like a ziplock bag.
26:26 <Lemon> I never ended up in such a state
26:35 <Lemon> and god knows I abused from strong ass shit
26:44 <Nothing\> I decided it was best not to take the gbl since if the plastic was soft, that meant some plastic dissolved into the gbl.
26:49 <Lemon> ha, we were drinking a cap of it
26:51 <Lemon> pure xd
27:09 <Lemon> but I think its a rim cleaner
27:11 <Lemon> I forgot
27:12 <MrMobodies> is there any other kind of addiction that doesn't involve drugs that you do?
27:13 <Nothing\> i always diluted my gbl, at least 1:25 with orange juice
27:15 <Lemon> what the hell seriously
27:19 <Nothing\> Lemon, it cleans many things
27:28 <Lemon> well its been 5 weeks I stopped cigarettes
27:28 <MrMobodies> apart from gambling that's horrible
27:31 <Lemon> im pretty happy
27:35 <Nothing\> fuel injectors, circuit boards, rims, metals, etc
27:38 <Lemon> so besides buying stuff online, I think im fine
27:45 <Nothing\> plus it's a fine industrial solvent
27:47 <Lemon> and methadone, yeah
27:52 <Lemon> cant really stop that
28:02 <Nothing\> did you ever use 1,4-butanediol?
28:11 <Lemon> it got a street name ?
28:13 <Nothing\> that's another of those drugs that gets metabolized into ghb
28:19 <Nothing\> not that i'm aware of
28:24 <Lemon> then no I doubt it
28:24 <Nothing\> 1,4-bdo
28:37 <Lemon> shadiest stuff was various obscure RCs
28:45 <Nothing\> heh, gbl i used to just call jebble
28:50 <Nothing\> Lemon, ah yeah
28:52 <Lemon> that fucked up my left kidney
28:54 <Nothing\> i've done those
29:00 <Nothing\> let's see what've i done
29:07 <Lemon> oof
29:11 <Lemon> easier to say what I havent lol
29:18 <Lemon> I never did meth
29:22 <Lemon> its non existant here
29:26 <Nothing\> excluding cannabinoids, 5-meo-dipt, dipt, 5-meo-dmt, 2ci, 2ce
29:29 <Lemon> hmmmmm
29:30 <Nothing\> off the top of my head
29:41 * Ysjoelfir never did anything at all
29:46 <Lemon> thats good !
29:51 <Lemon> well you probably did alcool :>
29:52 <Ysjoelfir> i know
29:55 <Nothing\> then cannabinoids, i think like jwh-018, jwh-210, and who the hell else knows
30:05 <Ysjoelfir> yep, but I was refering to illegal drugs
30:10 <Nothing\> you use an actual spice mix and you might as well not know what you've done
30:12 <Lemon> akb-48, sts 135, forgot the rest
30:13 <Ysjoelfir> but never smoked, so....
30:20 <Lemon> bath salts
30:21 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, these drugs are illegal here now
30:26 <Nothing\> they've been scheduled
30:31 <Lemon> funny thing, it was not legal nor illegal
30:35 <Lemon> when I was buying them
30:35 <Nothing\> i never did bath salts cuz i don't like speedy drugs
30:41 <Lemon> delivered to my door, lol
30:42 <Nothing\> but i DID buy etizolam
30:44 <Lemon> how dumb that was
30:47 <Nothing\> if you ever tried that
30:53 <Lemon> diclazepam yes
30:58 <Lemon> pff to be honest
31:07 <Lemon> I tried so many things over the course of 7-8 years
31:16 <Lemon> besides meth
31:28 <Lemon> theres surely super obscure stuff I didnt do
31:35 <Nothing\> Lemon, i frequented a couple of "harm reduction" chats and i'd known literally thousands of users over the course of 20 years and i've only known of 1 major case where people got involved with the feds
31:56 <Lemon> ha yes, we have a french one too
32:05 <Lemon> doesnt surprise me
32:10 <Lemon> they changed moleculres every month
32:10 <Nothing\> Lemon, back in the early 00's there were RC distributors who operated in the grey and black market. Selling drugs to teenagers and what not.
32:19 <Lemon> yeah ?
32:23 <Lemon> it was in like, hmmm
32:30 <Lemon> 2013 for us I think
32:36 <Nothing\> And a couple of my friends were subpoenaed and forced to testafy against the distributors before a grand jury
32:40 <Lemon> akb-48 was one of the first we got
32:48 <Nothing\> it was part of a sting operation called "operation web tryp"
32:48 <Nothing\> lol
32:49 <Lemon> the it was uf-akb-48
32:55 <Lemon> then ur-blabla-blabla 48
33:03 <Nothing\> oh yeah i tried that am2201 or whatever too
33:06 <Nothing\> i didn't care for that
33:07 <Lemon> at the end it was so strong you needed to dilute it in water
33:10 <Lemon> fuck this
33:12 <Nothing\> had an uncomfortable body feel
33:15 <Lemon> we all started to piss blood a nyways
33:26 <Nothing\> but honestly if i could get those cannabinoids again, i would.
33:26 <Lemon> yeah it was too strong, we all stopped
33:34 <Lemon> the first good ones maybe
33:37 <Lemon> but I stopped drugs
33:39 <Lemon> so no actually
33:44 <Nothing\> it was thanks to those drugs that i realized i was putting cannabis on a pedestal
33:46 <Lemon> im happy I did
33:47 <rust_collector> I never had any interest in weird drugs. i just don't see the point, I guess
34:07 <Nothing\> that was making weed out to be a way better thning than it was. Mainly because it was always in such short supply.
34:14 <Lemon> well it was mostly to forget about how miserable I felt about myself
34:17 <Lemon> and still feel, tho
34:25 <Lemon> my life never got harder than when I quitted drugs
34:28 * Ysjoelfir agrees with rust_collector
34:44 <rust_collector> well, that probably works well...
34:46 <Nothing\> But once I had basically an unlimited supply to stuff that made me feel like i was on weed i was able to view my weed habit more subjectively
35:00 <Lemon> and much cheaper, too
35:05 <Lemon> it was dirt cheap at first
35:21 <Lemon> I remember the first time, we were smoking all day, 1 gram would last the 3 of us like a week
35:26 <Lemon> and the end, it would last me a day
35:30 <Nothing\> Lemon, yeah it's funny. You hear all of these stories about people who quit drugs and magically their lives get back on track and everything gets back to normal and blah blah blah
35:38 <Lemon> yeah no lol
35:42 <Lemon> reality struck hard
35:52 <Lemon> I went from extrovert to agoraphob
35:53 <Lemon> e
36:07 <Lemon> depression was always present but faded by drugs
36:20 <Lemon> stress levels increased exponentially
36:22 <Lemon> anxiety too
36:36 <Lemon> but I feel good in my little lab, talking on that IRC chat
36:43 <Nothing\> Lemon, doubly so when it comes to religion. When I accepted god into my life, the biggest reality bitch slap was in realizing that having God will make things even HARDER in a way. In that I have to work to get the results I want. Rather than just sit on my ass doing whatever I want.
36:43 <Lemon> with all those good peeps y'all are
37:14 <Lemon> on another subject
37:17 <Nothing\> meanwhile you hear all of these stories about people who find God and suddenly everything in their life falls into place and their lives are perfect and everything gets better blah blah blah.
37:23 <Lemon> because lets stop talking about drugs and depression lol
37:36 <Nothing\> I'll be honest, life's actually been a LOT harder since I've found God.
37:36 <Lemon> https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1005002566654745.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000060.1.7b7a3456D1f9hR&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreThisSeller&scm=1007.13339.169870.0&scm_id=1007.13339.169870.0&scm-url=1007.13339.169870.0&pvid=d9aac3d7-be7d-4a29-b2dd-f06a1697d88e&_t=gps-id:pcDetailBottomMoreThisSeller,scm-url:1007.13339.169870.0,pvid:d9aac3d7-be7d-4a29-b2dd-f06a1697d88e,tpp_buckets:668%230%23131923%2349_668%230%23131923%2349_668%23888%233325%2310
37:36 <Lemon> 233325%2310_668%232846%238111%231996_668%235811%2327181%2350_668%232717%237558%23137_668%231000022185%231000066059%230_668%233468%2315613%23455_668%232846%238111%231996_668%235811%2327181%2350_668%232717%237558%23137_668%233164%239976%23391_668%233468%2315613%23455
37:41 <Nothing\> I'll be honest, life's actually been a LOT harder since I've found God.
37:47 <Nothing\> But not necessarily in a bad way
37:53 <Lemon> I agree yeah
37:58 <Lemon> I received this thing today
38:03 <Lemon> and I really recommend it
38:05 <Nothing\> I mean yeah it's been hard, but I've had good results because of the hard work I've put in.
38:07 <Lemon> it works super good
38:15 <Ysjoelfir> what is it
38:16 <Nothing\> but yeah i agree
38:21 <Nothing\> subject change is in order
38:34 <Nothing\> you can only talk about this shit so long before it gets to you.
38:41 * rust_collector is eating his german pig
38:47 <Nothing\> especially if you're dealing with it yourself.
38:55 * Ysjoelfir already ate his german chick
38:56 <Nothing\> rust_collector ist zeiftig
39:12 <rust_collector> I am?
39:22 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir its a little handheld pick n place thing
39:24 <Nothing\> i dunno, your diet seems to be
39:25 <Nothing\> lol
39:30 <Lemon> to lift large ics, for example
39:34 <Lemon> when tweezers cant
39:47 <Lemon> or various things, it can lift pretty heavy things for what it is
40:00 <Lemon> I bought it mostly for fun, but shit its super good
40:19 <Nothing\> man, i played this game a while back and i'd love to play it again but i can't remember what it was even called.
41:48 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir you saw the tools I got in a house clearance this morning ?
41:59 <Lemon> https://imgur.com/a/qGtitLJ
42:00 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
42:08 <Nothing\> it seemed like a bit of an older game. Maybe late 90's or 00's. fps style but not an actual shooter. You more built structures on other planets and you'd have to like process materials into something and then move what you processed into this big square and once you processed everything you needed and had it in this square, you could move on to the next planet. Or area, or whatever it was.
42:09 <Lemon> I need to clean them, but they are in quite good shape
42:18 <Lemon> 5 euros for all 4
42:24 <Ysjoelfir> nice
42:49 <Nothing\> and you could control various vehicles and drones and stuff to do other jobs
42:52 <Lemon> the demultiplied front cutter is a facom, it looks strong af
43:04 <Lemon> the scissor thing looks to be for metal sheets
43:37 <Lemon> pliers are from Euco
44:00 <Nothing\> man i have like, at least 3 folders with PC games in them
44:14 <Nothing\> nevermind my emulation stuff. Which I rarely even bother with these days.
45:00 <Nothing\> i don't get why it was so easy to emulate stuff like the playstation and gamecube. But we've still yet to come up with a good, reliable PS2 or PS3 emulator.
45:04 <rust_collector> I wonder if I still have my heap of dos games somewhere
45:13 <Nothing\> Meanwhile we're up to PS5 by now.
45:26 <Nothing\> rust_collector, I only have a few dos games in a folder
46:07 <Nothing\> I had to get this one game called Life and Death where you're a doctor working in a hospital and you have to make diagnoses and stuff.
46:17 <rust_collector> I used to chat with an older guy, who worked as a tester for some game company, just after the war, or so. so he sent loads of games
46:36 <Nothing\> But the meat and potatoes of the game is every so often you get a patient with appendicitis. So you get to try and perform an appendectomy.
46:51 <Nothing\> Most of the time I'd just end up carving my name into them.
47:10 <Nothing\> Which is funny because I think there's a doctor who actually did that during a surgery a few years ago.
47:31 <Nothing\> then there's life and death 2 where you get to perform some sort of brain surgery.
48:06 <Nothing\> But it's funny cuz you can do the exam before hand and part of it is poking them with a sharp needle and you can poke them in the eye with it.
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48:22 <Nothing\> Which of course, gets you a mild reprimand from your superior.
48:32 <Nothing\> just like carving your name into their brain does.
49:01 <Nothing\> I never played a lot of DOS games and the good ones I remember are damn near unplayable these days.
49:02 <DHess_US> Nothing\, the increase in processing resources increases quadratically, so including the processing for the previous generation only takes 25% of the available processing resources. Where this falls apart is things like memory.
49:37 <Nothing\> I got this pack with x-wing, Tie Fighter, and X-Wing Vs Tie Fighter on Steam. Damned if the game's even playable.
50:09 <Nothing\> There's no speed control for the mouse. So you NEED a flight stick. Which I'm not about to spend $200 on a flight stick so I can play a couple of games.
50:23 <Nothing\> Though now that I think of it. KSP with a flight stick would be totally awesome.
50:39 <DHess_US> The more recent console generations are more difficult to emulate or include because they relied more on hardware which cannot be integrated into a new chip, like special memory.
50:42 <Nothing\> DHess_US, that's interesting
50:57 <Nothing\> Sorta reminds me of the inverse square law in a way
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52:02 <Nothing\> Heh I still remember the first time I saw emulation. My older brother was playing Super Offroad and I thought it was the most amazing thing in the world.
52:35 <DHess_US> There might also be less incentive for Sony or whoever to spend the resources to develop and include emulation when their console is established and there is less competition.
52:59 <Nothing\> Heh I was thinking last night, with how muhc I absolutely LOVED video games as a kid. If I had even a fraction of a fraction of the games I have right now. I'd probably die of overstimulation lol.
53:22 <Nothing\> DHess_US, maybe for a virtual console sorta deal.
53:43 <DHess_US> They only do that for specific games.
54:09 <DHess_US> The games are essentially edited and then recompiled to run on the new or remote system.
54:12 <Nothing\> I thought they made the VC for games in general
54:25 <DHess_US> Yes, but the games are modified to run on it.
54:26 <Nothing\> then just ported over the ROM or whatever when they wanted to release one.
54:34 <Nothing\> right.
56:05 <Nothing\> ah man, there's nothing greater than using a fresh coil in your ecig after using a month old coil and getting that stale, ass-taste in it with every puff.
56:18 <Nothing\> just a fresh coil in general is wonderful
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01:53 <Nothing\> i should play ksp
01:59 <Nothing\> except i always end up doing the same thing
02:19 <rust_collector> try to do something else?
02:21 <Nothing\> i play until i get to the mun and then that's it. Cuz that's as much as I know how to do in it.
02:50 <Nothing\> yeah i've been wanting to learn to build space stations or at least how to do rendevouses
02:57 <Nothing\> rendevii?
03:08 <Nothing\> rendevouzes?
03:15 <rust_collector> ask the french guy
03:22 <Nothing\> i'm supposed to know french
03:28 <Nothing\> i took it for 9 years in school
03:29 <rust_collector> well...
03:33 <Nothing\> just like every canadian lol
03:56 <Nothing\> but unless you're quebecois, you're not gonna be able to form coherent sentences.
04:02 <rust_collector> tu manges blahblah
04:12 <Nothing\> truth be told, I learned more french from bilingual lables
04:38 <Nothing\> prechauffet four a 400 degrees
04:48 <Nothing\> etc
05:23 <Nothing\> i had a dream in french once, except all I could say was "je ne parle pas francais maintenant" which means "I don't speak french right now" lol
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10:06 <Nothing\> man these banana strawberry bars are good
10:26 <Nothing\> fucking expensive though. It's like $5 for a box of 5 of them at just 1oz each
10:32 <Nothing\> i could eat a whole box in one sitting
16:49 <rust_collector> I found a bag of "cheese balls"
23:28 <rust_collector> I wonder... there is an old concentration camp near here, that has my name. Maybe I should go and say I own it or something, and see what happens
23:49 <Ysjoelfir> that could be interesting, try that
26:58 <rust_collector> it is used as a not very secure prison now. you can pretty much just walk out of the place.
27:51 <Ysjoelfir> You have some more of those "low security" prisons, don't you? I once watched a documentary about those, and it was told that they were very successfull in rehabilitating the inmates
28:26 <rust_collector> sure,
29:18 <rust_collector> but even the pretty high security ones try to rehab people, because most of them will be let out at some time
31:46 <rust_collector> a couple years ago, we rented prison space in holland-land somewhere. There was a lot of crap about that in the news, because it was unfair...
43:49 <rust_collector> so, if you need an education, just get put in prison... free education, food, and house.
44:08 <Ysjoelfir> hehe :D
44:13 <rust_collector> even cheaper than the free education we are supposed to have here
44:50 <Ysjoelfir> IIRC, in that documentation the conclusion was, that 10 times less people in rustyland get criminal again after leaving jail compared to every other land
44:57 <Ysjoelfir> which I found to be pretty impressive
45:40 <rust_collector> eeh, I don't know. I guess that makes sense, for normal people who do something.
47:45 <Ysjoelfir> yeah. I am not sure about "high" criminals though. I doubt that eg. Anders Breivik will be a "normal" citizen after he is done.
48:11 <rust_collector> well, he will not be let out, so that is ok
48:33 <Ysjoelfir> Oh, he won't? I thought everyone has a chance of release some time?
50:11 <rust_collector> well, we have a max time of 21 years, but there is a... thing.. where you are sentenced to 21 years in "storage" and if there is no good reason why you would have changed, you will just stay inside.
50:40 <rust_collector> forvaring. I guess it pretty much translates to storage
50:44 <Ysjoelfir> aaaah, I see, we have such a thing as well, called "Sicherheitsverwahrung". and our "live long" is... 16 years afaik
50:58 <rust_collector> right
51:00 <Ysjoelfir> sicherheitsverwahrung would translate to safety storage as well
51:38 <rust_collector> so, it does not matter. they should let him out, and save all the money for storing him, and buying him xboxes
52:07 <Ysjoelfir> hahaha :D
52:21 <Ysjoelfir> or just tie him to a pole and forget that he is there.
52:22 <rust_collector> I think he would survive about 3-4 days outside.
53:08 <Ysjoelfir> naaaah. you guys are so peaceful :)
53:20 <rust_collector> yes, we like it quiet
53:57 <Ysjoelfir> :P
54:19 <rust_collector> anyway, I actually think he had a point. I guess he went a bit too far, but yeah
55:24 <Ysjoelfir> you mean because his motive was to protect the land from a..... "mixing" of cultures, which would/will kill the norwegian culture over time?
56:47 <rust_collector> More the part of inbred politics, with politicians kids being indoctrinated with the party idea of how things are, and they go on to places in power
57:35 <Ysjoelfir> ah, that part wasn't really communicated over here, here it was stated that it was only because he hated the immigation politics
57:54 <Ysjoelfir> at least in that documentation I watched
58:09 <rust_collector> well, he did attack the camp of the youth part of the workers party
58:40 <Ysjoelfir> but yes, I can see how that can enrage you, and we have a very simmilar problem here with our political party.
59:27 <rust_collector> it is probably pretty common.
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00:53 <Ysjoelfir> I am realy curious how our government will turn out after the vote later this year. I would immagine that the right wing party will probably get a substantial amount of votes, not because their topics are so great, but because the "normal" parties just don't give a shit about the small people and they just keep on bashing and bashing and bashing onto the right wing people and everyone who even remotely says that he/she can see why people
00:54 <Ysjoelfir> would vote for them.
02:31 <Ysjoelfir> its always a "kick in the face" mentality. like "what do I care what you want, peasant? You are an idiot thinking about the right wing, you are scum and not worth anything, while WE are the real people". no wonder that people feel threatened and thus will definitely NOT vote for a normal party.
02:32 <rust_collector> yep. Look at sweden. They have always wanted to be germans, and they have had to let the outer right side in a bit more lately.
02:47 <Ysjoelfir> oh, did they?
03:49 <rust_collector> yes. the "sd" party, they were pretty much ignored for years, but lately, some politician actually had lunch with their leader, and they talked about things
04:57 <rust_collector> but, as they want to be germans, I guess they have to wait until you do it first. then they will too.
05:03 <Ysjoelfir> interesting. I think our very very left oriented politics could benefit from a few right impulses, shifting it back more towards a middle position.
05:05 <rust_collector> it is weird
05:06 <Ysjoelfir> lol
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07:58 <rust_collector> here... well, we have all the parties, and the miljøpartiet. our green party. they are the only ones who are different. pretty much all their voters are in the larger cities, so that will be fun, if they get something to say. But the rest of the parties... sure, they have their own "important things" but in general, they are all the same
08:54 <rust_collector> so I guess it pretty much does not matter, as they all have to work in the same system anyway, sooooo....meh
09:04 <Ysjoelfir> With the vast amount of big cities you have that could indeed get interesting. :D
09:23 <rust_collector> yes, we have... almost one.
09:41 <Ysjoelfir> That depends how you define "big" :P
10:17 <rust_collector> but translated to norwegian, oslo, torndheim, stavanger, bergen, and tromsø is the big cities
10:21 <Ysjoelfir> imho Stavangar, Bergen and Trondheim are also "big"
10:48 <Ysjoelfir> heh
10:50 <rust_collector> nah. they are ok sized towns, but by our standards, yes
11:32 <rust_collector> oslo is the only one who would be classed as a city, in a different country
11:50 <Ysjoelfir> that is true though.
12:38 <Ysjoelfir> it gets very interesting if you also take into account the size of the cities. the km^2 I mean.
13:14 <rust_collector> I do recommend a walk around trondheim. it is a very compact and nice enough little city
13:57 <rust_collector> walk for an hour, and you have been around most places there
14:19 <Ysjoelfir> maybe we will go to rustyland this year again, as your government allowed visitors as I read today
14:31 <rust_collector> oh, ok
17:13 <rust_collector> so, is it uncle on bike, or family in swedish container this year?
20:21 <rust_collector> I do think a trip on a bike makes sense, if you want to go in some more interesting places, without putting your brakes on fire
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24:01 <Ysjoelfir> :P It would be the Klappfix with Kelly, Gworg and another girlfriend than. if we decide to go there this year, which will probably a pretty spontaneuos decision.
24:20 <Ysjoelfir> but the second Girl, Anika, is more of the "lets drive around" kind, so we would probably end up at the Nordkap
25:05 <rust_collector> ok, that is always a sign of bad weather and thick fog. but yeah, why not, it is not that far away
26:10 <Ysjoelfir> indeed
26:26 <Ysjoelfir> also, she can drive as well, so we will be way more flexible than we would be with only me and Gworg as a driver
27:26 <rust_collector> meh, stick them in the back, and tell them to shut up, you can go from here to there with just fuel stops. i would not recommend that, but you can
27:47 <Ysjoelfir> Nah, we would want to enjoy some nice views as we did last time. so..... :)
28:04 <rust_collector> yes, so keep your eyes open
29:46 <rust_collector> hmm, I did here to tromsø in... 26 hours, and I wasted about an hour picking up christmas gifts, and 45 minutes rest.
30:30 <rust_collector> from there and up, that is... uhm, I guess around
30:32 <rust_collector> uuuh
30:56 <rust_collector> say 12 hours.
32:54 <rust_collector> probably less
33:17 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, roughly the same as from here to denmark. its doable.
39:01 <rust_collector> I guess it is a bit different with a heap of people there
39:29 <MrMobodies> Hello, I just noticed stickyheaders/fixed nav bars remain in Firefox mobile on pinch and zoom and install StickyDucky does nothing
39:35 <MrMobodies> I found this : https://www.androidpolice.com/2015/01/09/chrome-beta-v40-new-zoom-behavior-makes-fixed-headers-scrollable-less-aggravating/
39:36 <EEVBot> [Title] - 403 Forbidden
40:05 <rust_collector> but... if you have time, and it is legal at the time, pop over to finland-land while you are up there
40:54 <Ysjoelfir> And visit Anni and Lauri?
40:58 <rust_collector> maybe ferry to schweden, or go thru Kstan on the way back
41:10 <rust_collector> you could probably do that too, if you want to
41:47 <Ysjoelfir> I don'#t even know where exactly they live xD and I doubt that they would wany some random people coming to visit :P
42:16 <rust_collector> hmm, they did move, but I don't think it is that far away
42:56 <rust_collector> just knock on their door, and ask for directions to the salty liquorice factory
43:07 <Ysjoelfir> uuh, licquorice!
43:26 <Ampera> asbestos
43:36 <Ampera> asbestos is the bestos
43:43 <Ysjoelfir> thats simmilar, but not quite the same
43:45 <rust_collector> that is a bit more to the right
45:19 <rust_collector> I think we should start to use asbestos again. it was a great material
45:33 <rust_collector> just don't snort it
47:40 <Ysjoelfir> true
47:52 <Ysjoelfir> as should we use Tri again. I realy miss that shit
48:09 <rust_collector> tri.... eh?
49:29 <Ysjoelfir> Trichlorethene
49:47 <rust_collector> hmmmm. sounds familiar, but... not sure
49:48 <Ysjoelfir> no wait, in english its called Trichloroethylene according to wiki
50:15 <Ysjoelfir> its a very strong cleaner and degreaser.
50:39 <Ysjoelfir> you can also use it very good for reconditioning rubber rollers eg. in printers.
51:34 <rust_collector> hmmm
54:07 <rust_collector> these days, I can almost not get anything useful at all. even battery acid is getting hard to find
55:29 <rust_collector> which is weird... I can buy unlimited amounts of batteries, and drain those
56:10 <Ysjoelfir> we can't even buy prefilled batteries
56:29 <rust_collector> whaaaat?
56:47 <rust_collector> uhm, so
56:49 <rust_collector> uh
56:52 <rust_collector> what?
57:37 <Ysjoelfir> yep. because of the daaaaangerout acid.
57:54 <Ysjoelfir> we have to buy them empty (or sealed) and buy the acid seperate, which gets harder to do
58:03 <rust_collector> tell them you are not from india, and don't hate your wife.
58:09 <Ysjoelfir> XD
58:31 <rust_collector> that is weeeeird
58:42 <rust_collector> wth is the point of that
59:04 <Ysjoelfir> i dunno?
03:58 <Halcyon> Hey guys
04:39 <rust_collector> hey guy
06:08 <rust_collector> do you australians have any weird rules about buying acid? No, I guess not
07:55 <Halcyon> There would be some limitations I'm sure?
07:59 <Halcyon> I have no idea why?
08:51 <Halcyon> Looks like there are: https://www.nationalsecurity.gov.au/Securityandyourcommunity/ChemicalSecurity/Documents/Code-of-practice.PDF
09:06 <rust_collector> normal stuff like battery acid is getting tricky to buy here, and Ysjoelfir says they can not even buy ready to use car batteries there, but have to get an empty one, then buy acid in some other place
09:26 <rust_collector> which I think is pretty weird
09:39 * Ampera smacks Halcyon with a TLS client certificate
10:01 <Halcyon> Oh yeh it's not that bad here. Not for something like battery acide
10:03 <Halcyon> -e
10:07 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
10:10 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
10:12 <Ampera> how are you doing
10:28 <Halcyon> I'm alright, how are you?
10:28 <MrMobodies> Hello
10:36 <rust_collector> HELLO!
10:40 <Ampera> I'm in full tier server fun
10:44 <MrMobodies> at the moment I very pleased, I was worried for a bit
10:49 <Ampera> moving my ttrss server I set up on an old mac mini to my hypervisor
10:55 <Ampera> to find that ttrss now "requires" docker
11:08 <MrMobodies> turned out the new version of Stickyduck won't work for the old Firefox dev thing i am using
11:09 * Ampera can't read, will not follow that directive
11:14 <MrMobodies> oooh mac to hypervisor
11:34 <MrMobodies> I got the mobile pretty much the way I want
11:35 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/QCbZuwg
11:37 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
11:40 <Ampera> MrMobodies, not as cool as you made it sound, it's just a LAMP stack moving to a BAMP stack
11:42 <MrMobodies> so I see videos in piece
11:47 <MrMobodies> aah
11:54 <MrMobodies> slow overhead?
11:58 <Ampera> huh?
12:10 <MrMobodies> "not as cool as you made out to be?"
12:27 <MrMobodies> aaah sorry
12:31 <MrMobodies> I misread
12:50 <Ampera> no I mean I'm not moving macos into a hypervisor
12:55 <Ampera> it's just moving a database and webroot
12:56 <MrMobodies> moving the ttrss server from the mac mini to the hypervisor
13:02 <Ampera> yeah
13:05 <MrMobodies> is that the 40 core one?
13:10 <Ampera> aye
13:19 <MrMobodies> the HP g7
13:20 <Ampera> it's going on the same widgets hypervisor I use for ZNC
13:22 <Ampera> er
13:26 <Ampera> *hypervisor -> vm
13:55 <MrMobodies> what hypvisor is it?
14:00 <Ampera> It's actually a really smart setup, because I have a centralized SQL server running through a virtual bridge
14:01 <Ampera> bhyve
14:38 <MrMobodies> oh yes I Freebsd
14:38 <Ampera> so I don't have to run multiple databases for different projects, and it makes using mysql integration in different software way more easy
14:48 <Ampera> keeps it in one place, so I can automate backups easier
15:22 <MrMobodies> sounds like a good choice being based on Freebsd
15:45 <MrMobodies> Pfsense has been seems very stable
15:51 <MrMobodies> and rarely lets me down
16:08 <Ampera> pfsense is not quite FreeBSD
16:31 <Ampera> FreeBSD itself has a very smart release model. It has a base system, separate from package management, that is maintained stably similar to Debian
16:37 <MrMobodies> ooh I thought it was run on Freebsd
16:46 <Ampera> but it has an extensive ports collection (makefiles and binary packages) that are kept up to date
16:51 <Ampera> It's more a fork of FreeBSD
17:04 <MrMobodies> aaah so the Freebsd in Pfsense may have differences
17:05 <Ampera> so it doesn't have the same distribution model as FreeBSD (it's similar though)
17:09 <Ampera> aye
17:15 <MrMobodies> the fork
17:27 <MrMobodies> sorry about my choice of words
17:43 <MrMobodies> *doesn't have the same distribution model
17:50 <MrMobodies> I think I understand
18:07 <DHess_US> I just occurred to me that if I am refurbishing and improving this 4.5 digit multimeter, that I should install a better reference.
18:08 <Ampera> nah it'll have differences too, but that's obvious since pfsense is an entire router, and FreeBSD is a generic operating system
18:43 <DHess_US> Also, why are they called "4.5" or "4-1/2" digits? Shouldn't they be "4.3" or "4-1/3" digits?
18:59 <Ampera> Other neat stuff, I formerly had the ttrss server LAN only, because I didn't feel like securing it at the time. Since I'm moving it I thought I'd try out TLS client cert authentication
19:25 <Ampera> so if that all works well, I can expose the server to the web, and don't have to use a VPN to connect to it on my phone when I'm out anymore
19:49 <MrMobodies> this https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/Tiny_Tiny_RSS_English_Interface.png
19:56 <Ampera> yup
19:57 <MrMobodies> the ttrss server
20:04 <Ampera> there's also an Android interface, I can take a screenshot of that
20:19 <MrMobodies> that'd be nice to see
20:33 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/853413458379931648/Screenshot_20210612-192016_Tiny_Tiny_RSS.png
20:53 <MrMobodies> runs android too
21:09 <Ampera> It's just an app, will connect to the website using an API
21:19 <MrMobodies> is that the Chrome browser or some version of it?
21:24 <MrMobodies> in the picture
21:26 <Ampera> Nope, it's its own app
21:38 <Ampera> has its own unique UI
21:50 <MrMobodies> you built it?
22:03 <Ampera> No, it's part of the ttrss project
22:08 <MrMobodies> oooh
22:12 <Ampera> anyone can use it
22:23 <MrMobodies> I tempted to give it a go
22:35 <MrMobodies> I kind of like what I see
22:59 <MrMobodies> I'll prepare something soon to run that and have a play around
22:59 <Ampera> The main benefit (that I can see) is it keeps what you've read synced across devices
23:08 <Ampera> so if I read an article on my desktop, it's marked as read on my phone too
23:24 <Ampera> It's, as mentioned, available as a docker instance, so if that's your thing, go for it
23:41 <Ampera> otherwise, it's just a basic PHP/SQL/HTTPd stack of your choice
23:44 <MrMobodies> sounds handy to sync stuff I want to see
24:07 <MrMobodies> I remember two LAMP servers many years ago
24:23 <MrMobodies> one was called "EasyPHP" and I can't remember the other
24:37 <Ampera> Mine is FreeBSD/Apache/MariaDB/PHP
24:39 <MrMobodies> didn't seem to work as well as manually installing the packages
24:46 <Ampera> FAMP or BAMP stack :P
25:22 * Halcyon bamps Ampera
25:29 <Ampera> Halcyon, at least buy me dinner first
25:34 <Ampera> actually don't, I've been eating all day
25:35 <Halcyon> Alrighty :P
25:41 <Ampera> went out to eat, had a nice full rack of ribs
25:42 <Halcyon> Even better heheh
25:45 <Halcyon> Free bamp
25:52 <Ampera> Halcyon, want to do a call?
26:03 <Halcyon> A little later?
26:06 <Ampera> sure
26:17 <MrMobodies> the last time I used SQL and PHP was a hotel booking tracker at a building company to book the workmen and a GPS tracker
26:29 <MrMobodies> we had a petrol stealer driving the vans
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27:20 <MrMobodies> they overbooked the men to be in three different places at the same time
27:33 <MrMobodies> and they'd be outbursts of arguments between the
28:05 <MrMobodies> so I found an opensource package for hotels
28:33 <MrMobodies> and I syncronhized that but I think the lamp stuff has advantage in that it seems easier to copy
28:39 <MrMobodies> and rename the paths
28:53 <MrMobodies> I think that was 7 years ago
29:05 <Ampera> sounds like a fun time
29:38 <MrMobodies> I tried to make it fun there but
29:52 <MrMobodies> they didn't appreciate or understood anything
29:59 <MrMobodies> and didn't have the time too
30:20 <MrMobodies> it was like a busy call center
30:36 <MrMobodies> there was only 2 and sometimes 3 people there at a tme
30:56 <MrMobodies> and they'd be dedicate to other things but instead they had pick up the phones all day long
31:01 <MrMobodies> to angry customers
31:13 <MrMobodies> and the councils who demand things
32:05 <MrMobodies> they talked to me about modern technology... but they wanted replace my audio setup with a tiny analogue FM radio
32:12 <MrMobodies> "like everybody else down the street"
32:31 <MrMobodies> we had one of those and the air conditioning next door caused reception issues
33:07 <MrMobodies> the company was in a lot debt
33:19 <MrMobodies> because the council kept on paying them later than agreed
33:45 <MrMobodies> but I am pleased I am gone from there don't need the stress
34:42 <MrMobodies> in 2019 before I moved I met the owner somewhere who apologized and thanked me for my cabling work in his house. Apparently they needed the extra redudant cables we argued about in 2016.
35:16 <MrMobodies> I accused of "massive overkill"
36:06 <Ampera> Sounds like you do a good job, MrMobodies
36:26 <Ampera> I suppose the best professionals are the ones that do their job with thanks replaced with derision
36:33 <MrMobodies> what would you prefer, an overkill or under inadequacies?
36:55 <Ampera> It's the definitive engineering problem, perhaps the problem which defines what an engineer is
36:59 <Ampera> how much is enough
37:06 <MrMobodies> they got a firm out to quote them for three access points. they wanted £850.
37:19 <MrMobodies> I did it for them with the same equipment next to £200
37:28 <MrMobodies> some of it used on ebay paired with good psus
37:46 <Ampera> Honestly, for professional install of AP's, 850GBP is not bad, but 200 is incredible
37:47 <MrMobodies> I ran many cables
37:56 <MrMobodies> I did for them as a friend
38:03 <MrMobodies> I thought I was doing them a massive favour
38:18 <MrMobodies> they had no cabling nothing between the house where it was joined
38:25 <MrMobodies> just a little Sky wifi box
38:35 <MrMobodies> I'll see if I can find a map
39:01 <MrMobodies> 6 tv's 6 ipads, 3 games consoles, 6 phones, 3 sky boxes (ethernet)
40:27 <MrMobodies> they wanted all that to work without no infrastructure to support it apart from the small wifi in the router
42:50 <Ampera> Ah, very good of you to do then.
45:09 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/Fv1TKrl
45:10 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
45:19 <MrMobodies> sorry I was find them
45:24 <rust_collector> I wonder if I should weld some weight to my axe, for more smash-power
46:34 <MrMobodies> do you think that justifies the amount of appliances they have?
46:48 <MrMobodies> two pfsense machines one a backup
47:16 <MrMobodies> they didn't want to pay for online backup so I had something in there house and to monitor stuff
47:23 <Ampera> is this a house?
47:27 <MrMobodies> yes
47:40 <Ampera> wow
47:53 <MrMobodies> they moved into a large house, it was a cottage in 1900's but they added more and more
47:58 <MrMobodies> to it is like three times larger
48:18 <MrMobodies> there are steel lintels everywhere
48:23 <MrMobodies> so phone signals are not great
48:37 <MrMobodies> and I think I made the right decision by giving each room it's own access point
48:53 <MrMobodies> with a centralised Netgear WMS5316 controler
49:07 <MrMobodies> I put them on low power so it joined the nearest one without issue
49:09 <Halcyon> 5 GHz I presume MrMobodies ?
49:09 <Ampera> No this is a pretty good setup
49:19 <MrMobodies> nope I got those ina joblot they were old ap's
49:35 <MrMobodies> Netgear wnap210's I think
49:39 <Halcyon> Oh right
49:59 <MrMobodies> "ahhhh mate it's on overkilll mate,,, aaaah not many people have this"
50:08 <MrMobodies> ohhhhhh, they he speaks you feel sorry for the owner
50:50 <MrMobodies> I brought the Lishin power supplies for the AP'S 10 12v 4.16a for like £40
51:02 <MrMobodies> only one had an issue
51:05 <Ampera> Run into a problem
51:08 <MrMobodies> ah
51:34 <Ampera> I have no clue how to reverse proxy https transparently with squid on pfsense, and afaik, it's not possible
52:00 <Ampera> but if I want to use https client auth, I need transparent forwarding
52:07 <Ampera> so I think my only option at this point is an alternate port
53:17 <MrMobodies> I had issues with that in the past
53:23 <MrMobodies> wiered things would happen
53:33 <MrMobodies> it worked okay at first
54:18 <MrMobodies> I was using VLC to playback radio and what would happen and after restarting it
54:26 <MrMobodies> it would play back stuff from weeks ago
55:01 <MrMobodies> and when scanning from some scanners it would be rejected and I found it was all to do with the transparent proxy
55:07 <MrMobodies> when turning it off no issue
55:11 <Ampera> shouldn't be a major issue with TLS, it's just a minor annoyance
55:18 <MrMobodies> the council had this thing to scan emails and that
55:46 <MrMobodies> and if used a transparent proxy, it was strange, it would just reject it and we get a failed delivery message back
55:58 <MrMobodies> Norton labs something like that
56:34 <MrMobodies> but it nice and quick with caching and that
56:47 <MrMobodies> things would load instantly
57:24 <MrMobodies> and we had a slow 10mbps line at the time which is why I thought it was going to be usefuk
00:19 <MrMobodies> aah reserve proxy, I think I used that for something at warehouse in 2013 to access a phone system, that was on a different network
00:46 <MrMobodies> I was trying to put it behind the pfsense firewall and we had three lines
01:53 <MrMobodies> we had remote workers with phones that used VPN. what I didn't know at the time was that, I needed to add *not rules to prevent the traffic going out of the wrong interfaces.
02:53 <Ampera> mv /usr/home/ampera/ httpd.conf .
02:54 <MrMobodies> I remembered using the reverse proxy, I am not sure if it was squid thought to access and configure the phone system which was an Aavaya that replaced a opensource
02:55 <Ampera> that's an ouch
03:03 <Ampera> spot the problem :P
03:52 <MrMobodies> a glitch somewhere
04:20 <MrMobodies> they had an asterix phone system that seemed a lot better than the Avaya
04:34 <MrMobodies> and it gave them no problems
05:06 <MrMobodies> I think the phones on this Asterix was Polycom
06:11 <Ampera> asterisk is a pain in the ass
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10:05 <Nothing\> you guys hear about this guy with the robotic colon?
10:08 <Nothing\> it's pretty cool
10:16 <Nothing\> he only needs to press a button to poop
11:35 <Nothing\> bah and of course now i'm having trouble finding it
15:32 <MrMobodies> doesn't sound very nice
15:51 <Ampera> might be nicer if you didn't :P
15:52 <MrMobodies> pressing a button to go to toilet with part of your artificial
15:57 <rust_collector> I bet it is much nicer than having no control
16:10 <MrMobodies> so he has more control
16:22 <MrMobodies> than the organ itself
16:54 <Nothing\> my point is. It's amazing the sorts of tech we have
17:06 <Nothing\> like these popcorn, yogurt, berry bars
17:11 <Nothing\> fuckin' delicious
17:41 <Nothing\> but how do they cook the popcorn into it without making it all flat and dead looking, ya know.
17:54 <Nothing\> like as soon as you get popcorn wet, it just shrivels up.
18:21 <Nothing\> either way, these are damn good bars
18:37 <rust_collector> hmm, so that colon guy... if he was gay, and was busy with someone, and he bumped the button, then...
18:47 <Nothing\> banana, strawberry, oats, popped rice
18:54 <MrMobodies> sorry about that I think missed the point... the patient had no choice
19:06 <Nothing\> it happens
19:12 <MrMobodies> but also has an advantage to hold the waste in
19:51 <Nothing\> mmm
20:01 <Nothing\> and i have this box of meringue cookies
20:08 <Nothing\> which are just what they sound like
20:19 <Nothing\> it's just a piece of meringue cooked to a crisp
20:33 <Nothing\> egg white, sugar and vanilla
20:40 <Ampera> what the fuck
20:47 <Nothing\> Ampera, heyo
20:48 * Halcyon presses Ampera's poop button
20:51 <Nothing\> how goes it?
20:59 <Ampera> I have a firewall rule on pfsense to block 81 (port for web config)
21:05 <Ampera> and I can still connect via :81
21:07 <Nothing\> lol Halcyon would that not be the most convenient thing in the world?
21:11 <MrMobodies> I have a log in the fridge
21:12 <Ampera> what the fuck is this
21:29 <Halcyon> Ampera: Do you still have a state open from before?
21:38 <Ampera> no, it's been blocked for the last couple years, through multiple reset
21:39 <Nothing\> i dunno about you guys, but personally my body does the complete opposite of what I want it to do.
21:39 <MrMobodies> I had that problem with some ISP's routers in the past
21:49 <MrMobodies> where port 80 remains open on the wan side
22:16 <Halcyon> Where did you put this rule Ampera?
22:17 <MrMobodies> one of them only needed engineer/engineer and it would let anyone in
22:33 <Halcyon> pfsense defaults to blocking the web GUI from the WAN side
22:40 <MrMobodies> but as not documented from the ISP not many would know
22:52 <Halcyon> In fact, that's the default universally, unless you specifically allow something
22:57 <Ampera> firewall
23:07 <Halcyon> Yes. But which interface?
23:23 <Ampera> WAN
23:27 <Ampera> actually
23:28 <Ampera> all of them
23:36 <Ampera> no
23:36 <Ampera> sorry
23:41 <Ampera> misunderstood the question, on WAN
23:47 <Halcyon> There is an anti-lockout rule which prevents you from locking yourself out of the webGUI
24:00 <Halcyon> But there is no need to put a specific block on the WAN side, it's already blocked.
24:06 <Ampera> it's disabled
24:07 <Ampera> http://100.4.204.103:81
24:10 <Ampera> can you see pfsense
24:30 <Halcyon> Nope, just times out
24:53 <Ampera> is my IP getting looped back somehow?
24:58 <MrMobodies> NOPE
24:58 <Halcyon> Possibly
25:12 <MrMobodies> times out from myside
25:15 <Halcyon> You really don't need to specify any block rules on your WAN side as everything is already blocked by default
25:52 <Ampera> Only other thing I can think, is if pfsense bridged LAN/WAN, and it's that IP on WAN, then connecting to it via LAN would be routed through WAN, but behind the firewall
26:09 <Ampera> alright, so I think that's not a problem
26:18 <Halcyon> Nope
26:22 <MrMobodies> actually it does it on mine too
26:32 <MrMobodies> but I know for a fact it doesn't do it outside
26:37 <Halcyon> The only way anyone could access your pfsense box is if you specifically allowed it
27:44 <DHess_US> Ampera, FreeBSD dropped support for "filtering bridge" at some point.
27:50 <Halcyon> Ooooh new version of pfsense+ is out
27:55 <DHess_US> maybe they added it back later?
28:01 <Ampera> filtering bridge?
28:27 <DHess_US> If you bridge two interfaces, but still want to filter packets, that is a special mode which used to be called "filtering bridge"
28:33 <Ampera> I didn't even know it had one, but it just didn't dawn on me that my WAN would be accessible directly through LAN, and not looped through my ISP
28:36 <DHess_US> m0n0wall supported it and it had special requirements.
28:53 <MrMobodies> blob:https://imgur.com/55606aa9-1837-4025-afef-9867b849f9ad
28:56 <MrMobodies> oops
29:02 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/xpo2SZO.jpg
29:16 <DHess_US> People used the filtering bridge mode because NAT reflection was either not supported or very shaky.
29:25 <MrMobodies> in the past i'd use a mobile sim or proxy
29:25 <MrMobodies> https://www.hidemyass-freeproxy.com/proxy/en-gb/aHR0cHM6Ly83OS43OC4xMzQuODE6ODA
29:28 <MrMobodies> to test stuff
29:49 <DHess_US> NAT reflection is what allows a device on the LAN to access another device on the LAN through the public IP and port.
30:09 <MrMobodies> very handy for the static ips
30:23 <MrMobodies> you see with the way it is I can't bridge them across
30:24 <DHess_US> https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/nat/reflection.html
30:26 <EEVBot> [Title] - Network Address Translation — NAT Reflection | pfSense Documentation
30:40 <MrMobodies> because I have it doing the PPPOE link on the wan interfaces
30:46 <DHess_US> So if you don't have NAT reflection, then you either need filtering bridge, or split DNS.
30:56 <MrMobodies> I never heard of filtering bridge
31:19 <Ampera> No it's fine, there's nothing wrong
31:52 <Ampera> I am eventually going to be getting rid of pfSense in favor of OpenBSD, so this will all be solved later
32:01 <DHess_US> So filtering bridge is supported, https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/bridges/firewall.html
32:03 <EEVBot> [Title] - Bridging — Bridging and firewalling | pfSense Documentation
32:06 <DHess_US> That wasn't always the case for a long time.
32:22 <MrMobodies> oooh I know
32:27 <MrMobodies> when I bridge an interface over
32:35 <DHess_US> MrMobodies, it had a special name because 20 years ago it was tricky to implement.
32:49 <MrMobodies> in interfaces there is also bridge0
32:50 <MrMobodies> https://i.stack.imgur.com/OSzdg.png
32:55 <MrMobodies> I noticed that
33:09 <MrMobodies> and I found I could control traffic inbetween?
33:16 <MrMobodies> is that it
34:23 <MrMobodies> maybe a misunderstood
34:36 <MrMobodies> someone had this problem with their printer printing stuff years ago
34:54 <MrMobodies> when they turned it on, they had a couple of devices and i know one of them had a print queue
35:17 <MrMobodies> so I brought a little machine running pfsense, put two ports in bridge, to find out what connects up to it
37:15 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/gnUqRed
37:16 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
37:29 <MrMobodies> it worked fine
37:53 <MrMobodies> the issue turned out to be interference in their house and the distance between the router downstairs and this printer they had upstairs
38:28 <MrMobodies> and they would end up with print queues where it cuts out frequently
38:45 <MrMobodies> I see what you mean though, Ampera, that could be a problem,
39:09 <MrMobodies> I'll try some experiment see if I can stop GUI from being access from the wan IP internally to the LAN
41:44 <DHess_US> I have some nice pfsense hardware but have been trying to work with OPNsense, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OPNsense
41:45 <EEVBot> [Title] - OPNsense - Wikipedia
42:45 <DHess_US> I have one of these, https://www.pcengines.ch/apu4d4.htm
42:46 <EEVBot> [Title] - PC Engines apu4d4 product file
52:11 <Nothing\> lambo has some business to take care of in 'nam
52:22 <Nothing\> and this time, he's mutton
52:38 <Nothing\> right ON the MUTTON
54:25 <Nothing\> man
54:28 <Nothing\> i should play x-com
54:34 <Nothing\> that was a solid fuckin' game
57:43 <MrMobodies> https://assets.rockpapershotgun.com/images/2020/11/xcom-2-collection-iphone.jpg
57:48 <MrMobodies> graphics look nice
58:15 <Nothing\> especially for a remake/reboot. It was actually better than the original for a change.
58:33 <Nothing\> x-com 2 wasn't as fun
58:38 <Nothing\> but 1 was awesome
58:49 <Nothing\> but some people preferred 2
59:26 <MrMobodies> aaaah worked
00:03 <DHess_US> https://i.redd.it/92o8l8biwnh61.jpg
01:40 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/4bK0fNc
01:41 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
01:54 <MrMobodies> the pinging and accessing the wan ip behind lan interfaces on Pfsense
02:06 <MrMobodies> I have a blocklist for that
02:11 <MrMobodies> for admin ports too
02:21 <MrMobodies> so I'll have to add that and the 32 static ips in
02:40 <MrMobodies> I have 16 static ips per line
02:47 <MrMobodies> to run experiments
02:57 <MrMobodies> and not mess about with port forwarding
09:07 <Nothing\> anyone here speak german?
26:00 <Nothing\> if you were a kentucky, what secrets would you have?
26:30 <Nothing\> like umm
26:33 <Nothing\> lexington
26:37 <Nothing\> and colonels
28:28 <Nothing\> oh snap
28:39 <Nothing\> imma play some mortal kombat 2 on sega genesis
28:46 <Nothing\> had a far better soundtrack imo
29:31 <Nothing\> i love the gritty sound of the genesis/mastersystem's sound chip. Whatever it was.
30:14 <Nothing\> something like the title for road rash is a good example of what i mean.
35:56 <MrMobodies> well that sorted that out
36:11 <MrMobodies> create an interface group, add all the interfaces
36:19 <MrMobodies> go into it in rules
36:51 <MrMobodies> create an alias with the lan/wan ip's (that I don't want being accessed)
37:03 <MrMobodies> and add the ips
37:57 <MrMobodies> actually won't be able to it with the lans like that
38:29 <MrMobodies> oops, that would be another rule port 80 and 443
04:59 <electrohead> o/
05:05 <Halcyon> Yooo
05:11 * Ampera smacks electrohead with a TLS client cert
05:21 * electrohead subnets into pieces
07:31 <Ampera> I have no idea why my client cert auth with Apache isn't working
08:40 <Ampera> I made a CA, signed a cert off it, folded that cert and its key into a p12, imported it into chromium and firefox, and both are rejected by apache
09:01 <Ampera> apache's been configured with the CA cert
09:02 <electrohead> what's the exact error?
09:12 <Ampera> chromium gives ERR_BAD_SSL_CLIENT_AUTH_CERT
09:13 <electrohead> and, this is comical - http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/2106.1/04596.html
09:14 <EEVBot> [Title] - Linux-Kernel Archive: Re: Maintainers / Kernel Summit 2021 planning kick-off
09:40 <Ampera> I've tried openssl s_client to get more detail
09:52 <Ampera> let me give you the output for that...
10:41 <Ampera> it handshakes, TLS server side works fine
10:52 <Ampera> then I get 34374492160:error:1409445C:SSL routines:ssl3_read_bytes:tlsv13 alert certificate required:/usr/src/crypto/openssl/ssl/record/rec_layer_s3.c:1603:SSL alert number 116
11:06 <Ampera> when passing the client cert and key with -cert and -key
11:14 * Halcyon stuffs Ampera's crypto
11:29 * Ampera launches bits of entropy at Halcyon 
11:51 <Halcyon> \o/ *spins*
11:59 <Ampera> keys are ECDSA using the brainpoolP512t1 curve
12:15 <electrohead> the CA and certs - manually created, or in pfsense/whatever you are using as a firewall?
12:18 <Ampera> I wanted to use ed25519, but firefox doesn't support client certs with those keys
12:25 <Ampera> I am using openssl
13:03 <Ampera> like, just command line openssl on a random FreeBSD server
13:09 <electrohead> did you combine the cert and key properly?
13:25 <electrohead> I've already got them backwards, and got errors in the past
13:26 <Ampera> openssl pkcs12 -export -inkey ampera.key -in ampera.crt -name ampera -out ampera.p12
13:53 <Ampera> is how I combined them
14:49 <Ampera> I /am/ using a letsencrypt cert for the server-side cert, but have set my self-signed CA for client cert auth
14:57 <Ampera> but it makes no sense that they'd have to be off the same CA
15:26 <electrohead> try swapping -inkey and -in
15:28 <Ampera> Also of note, there is no reverse proxy between the client and the server, the port I have is direct to the server
15:36 <electrohead> (for the hell of it)
15:36 <Ampera> that makes no sense
15:42 <Ampera> no I /know/ .key is the key
15:56 <electrohead> no no, I'm saying, swap the arguments around
15:58 <Ampera> .key has "BEGIN EC PRIVATE KEY"
16:02 <Ampera> but why
16:20 <electrohead> just to see if it's generating the p12 improperly?
16:35 <Ampera> pk12util has no problems with it
16:44 <Ampera> it has the right key, cert info
17:16 <Ampera> CN, O, L, ST, and C are all identical between CA and client cert
17:21 <Ampera> (even though they don't need to be)
19:12 <Ampera> setting up ssl logging
23:02 <Ampera> that might be part of the issue
23:07 <Ampera> the ServerName in httpd.conf is wrong
25:06 <electrohead> lol
25:09 <electrohead> that could do it :p
25:21 <electrohead> I was just creating some certs/keys, just to mess around with and test
26:01 <Ampera> [ssl:info] [pid 43255] SSL Library Error: error:1417C0C7:SSL routines:tls_process_client_certificate:peer did not return a certificate -- No CAs known to server for verification?
26:02 <electrohead> let me know if that fixes it, so I know to stop testing a few things :p
26:14 <Ampera> alright, now this seems to be the error at present
26:16 <Ampera> (it did not fix it)
26:21 <electrohead> guh
26:39 <Ampera> I'm wondering if for some dumb reason the ca needs to be in the server's ca store, instead of just configured with apache
27:02 <electrohead> oh, it's not already?
27:13 <electrohead> if it's part of the chain, then it might be looking for that
27:26 <Ampera> part of what chain
27:32 <Ampera> and no, I didn't think it's necessary
27:36 <Ampera> let me see how to do that for freebsd
31:25 <Ampera> welp, it's been added to FreeBSD's cert store for openssl, but still nothing
32:19 <electrohead> shit
51:17 <Ampera> Well, everything is pointing to the client cert not having the full chain, and I can see that myself
51:40 <Ampera> so I think I might just wipe everything and start over, just to make sure I'm not being messy, and then make sure I include the full chain in the .p12
51:47 <Ampera> but for now, I think I'm going to stop working on this
52:00 * T3sl4 fondles electrohead
53:35 <Nothing\> hrm
53:42 <Nothing\> i'm having trouble finding a good game to play
53:49 <Nothing\> other than breath of the wild
53:59 <Nothing\> but you can only play that so much.
56:41 <Nothing\> problem is, i just don't feel like learning to play a new game. And most games worth playing will have something of a learning curve
59:13 <T3sl4> play sudoku :P
02:14 * Ampera plays seppuku with T3sl4 
02:46 * T3sl4 divines the future with Ampera's entrails
12:55 Quit: MRiddickW ([email protected]) Client exited
14:13 * electrohead fondles with T3sl4
14:18 <Halcyon> I might make some Mi Goreng
14:37 <T3sl4> hi guys
14:58 <Halcyon> Hey T3sl4
15:41 <electrohead> hey man
20:13 * Halcyon tickles T3sl4 with a tassel
20:39 <T3sl4> tasselhoff
20:52 <Halcyon> :P
21:00 <Halcyon> I might binge some of The Office
46:30 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - All kids are born with scientific inquisitiveness. Then slowly, year by year, society proceeds to suck it out of almost all of them.
47:31 * Ampera has limeade
50:26 * Halcyon licks Ampera
50:34 * Ampera clicks Halcyon 
50:37 * Ampera clicks Halcyon 
50:40 <Ampera> stupid thing must be broken
50:41 <Halcyon> :P
50:43 * Ampera tosses Halcyon in the bin
51:01 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
52:29 <Halcyon> I'm good, I'm going to make noodles
52:37 * T3sl4 dicks Ampera
53:30 * Ampera is thusly dicked
53:37 <Halcyon> Hehe
55:33 <Ampera> I think I'm gonna go sneeze myself to sleep
55:38 <Ampera> good night you allergens
57:00 <T3sl4> sweet dreams
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09:21 <Kuschelpony> Moin
09:46 <T3sl4> hi there Kuschelpony
10:18 <Kuschelpony> Hello T
10:52 <Kuschelpony> soo, sunday 6am, breakfast is getting warmed, hope you have a nice weekend
10:54 <MrMobodies> https://youtu.be/K9Mk2Aqk9Mw?t=97
10:55 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Fox and cat Standoff
11:14 <MrMobodies> I find seem find that funny
11:20 <MrMobodies> when it does that thing with it's paw
14:32 <coppice> T3sl4: has kicad made some great leap forward? Someone on the forum it talking about it as a competitor to Altium, and I'm wondering if they are delusional, or if things have changed a lot in the last couple of years
15:56 <T3sl4> beats me, i just use the one
17:33 <coppice> T3sl4: A quick google finds a lot people praising it, but some seasoned people complaining it still crashes a lot. The last time I tried it, a couple of years ago, it was very unstable.... not that EDA tools are ever the world's most stable software
17:57 <Kuschelpony> i think i have found a new deisgn challenge, at least a thought filling my brain
18:27 <Kuschelpony> build a primitive fulltube scope
18:28 <coppice> is that a big thought or a small brain?
18:51 <Kuschelpony> a brain that is already 120% stufrfed from other sh...stuff
19:25 <Kuschelpony> looking for distractions and perhaps a project that really ends with something functioning
20:44 <T3sl4> depending on how much bandwidth and functionality you want, you can do that with about 5 to 100+ tubes
21:08 <T3sl4> expect well under 100MHz BW, tek did a lot of work pushing that much :P
21:17 <T3sl4> 5 or 10 should be easy enough though
21:19 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - LBC was holding for a few months there, but there has been a big sell off in the last few days. (Aussie dollarydoos… https://t.co/1WfzU6DGVj
22:21 <coppice> 20MHz seems to be a figure that never taxed people too much. Then it get rapidly harder
22:23 <Kuschelpony> oh well, im ok if it passes 2Mhz so a simple pentode with peaking coil in the anode circuit should do well
23:06 <Kuschelpony> i might save a sacope tube for 5€ from someone really shit, so i am looking for ideas to give it a new life and purpose
23:53 <Kuschelpony> and espically a better life than beeing degraded to a fancy clock
25:22 <coppice> I designed my own 100% tube scope in my early teens (except perhaps for the main rectifier. I can't remember). It was an interesting exercise for a beginner. The tube I used (ex radar I think) really kept the bandwidth down on that design
26:13 <Kuschelpony> oh
26:35 <T3sl4> magnetic?
27:37 <coppice> magnetic really would be bad. it used electrostatic deflection, but it was hard to drive it fast, at least for me
28:10 <Nothing\> i am having many love for eevblog
28:29 <coppice> the radar application doesn't need much bandwidth
29:28 <Nothing\> what's the typical size of an object that would be returned by a radar signal?
29:43 <coppice> actually, I'm just guessing it was designed for radar based on my memory that it was military surplus tube
29:48 <Nothing\> cm? meters? somewher in between?
30:00 <T3sl4> Nothing\: for what kind of radar
30:17 <coppice> Nothing\: that's like asking how long a piece of string is
30:23 <Nothing\> typical militar radar I guess is what I was thinking.
31:29 <T3sl4> i have no idea what's typical for them, it's likely classified
31:32 <coppice> there are many types of military radar. some looking for large objects at great distance. Some looking for the tiny nose of an incoming missile on final approach
32:09 <Halcyon> Your area looks fancy pants T3sl4
32:38 <T3sl4> it does?
32:51 <Halcyon> Pity they had to block the water view with a stupid golf course
33:06 <T3sl4> heh
33:18 <Halcyon> I was just seeing how far your package is away
33:18 <T3sl4> probably just as well, the bluffs are steep
33:28 <coppice> "All kids are born with scientific inquisitiveness. Then slowly, year by year, society proceeds to suck it out of almost all of them." - that's rubbish. a large number of people have absolutely no inquisitiveness for the time they are very small
33:33 <T3sl4> last i saw it's expected mondayish
34:01 <Halcyon> It was in San Fran and cleared customs on Friday midnight so yeh
34:03 <DHess_US> Nothing\, it depends on the wavelength. Smaller wavelengths can detect smaller objects, so for instance x-band at 3 cm can detect small birds which 2 meter radar can't even see.
34:13 <Halcyon> I'm guessing it would have been on a flight over the weekend
34:32 <coppice> DHess_US: Its mostly power and range
34:56 <Nothing\> DHess_US, that makes sense
35:08 <DHess_US> coppice, no, and range has little to do with frequency.
35:24 <T3sl4> you need the wavelength low enough to have any cross section at all, and enough power to see a return above the noise floor
35:36 <Nothing\> each band would probably be used for different purposes
35:42 <coppice> DHess_US: detection is mostly about power and range
36:20 <DHess_US> They are used for different purposes. X-band isn't used for long range because of attenuation effects but also because it would pick up to much small stuff to be useful.
36:41 <DHess_US> birds, rain, snow, etc.
37:48 <Nothing\> one for UAVs, another for jets, another for rockets etc
37:58 <Nothing\> that too
38:07 <Nothing\> different civilian uses
38:18 <DHess_US> Yea, x-band would be good for UAVs, but would still pick up birds.
38:33 <DHess_US> small birds
40:03 <DHess_US> They do use shorter range radar for tracking after detection because the higher resolution allows better target discrimination. You can get a better measurement of size, doppler widening of compressor blades, etc.
40:13 <DHess_US> sorry, shorter wavelength.
40:30 <Nothing\> penguins, pidgeon flocks of elves, witches, etc
40:32 <coppice> Nothing\: Something big, like a high power ground radar, or an AWACS, is trying to see a cross section of a square metre or so at its maximum range. An anti-missile system that has to pick up the tiny nose of a missile on its final approach will be able to detect a finy fraction of a square metre, but only over the last few kilometres. If you get the frequency really high, like 300GHz, the wavelength is so small you can start to image the targe
40:34 <coppice> and actually detect what it is from its outline. There are a huge range of these systems, with different goals
41:30 <Nothing\> coppice, so they use different frequencies depending on how close/far away the target is?
41:58 <DHess_US> They do, but range is more complicated than frequency.
42:20 <coppice> Nothing\: not so much for distance. Its more about the application
42:22 <DHess_US> It is difficult to generate higher power at higher frequency, and there are some atmospheric attenuation issues which wouldn't apply in space.
43:54 <coppice> Nothing\: there's no point in trying to image something 300km away. It will look too small to resolve anyway.
45:04 <coppice> Nothing\: these days a lot of work is in trying to defeat stealth, and using a frequency the stealth designers didn't expect is one of the parameters you can play with
46:16 <Nothing\> i taze so /ece-
47:09 <DHess_US> When I was doing 2 meter transmitter hunting, I could trivially detect passenger aircraft from 100 miles with an angular resolution on the order of a degree with my excellent antenna. I could detect street lamps and trees also from 100s of meters.
47:45 <DHess_US> Probably could have seen the shadow of a person but at that level, clutter would be a problem.
48:13 <coppice> DHess_US: try detecting ships. your biggest problem can be overloading the receiver :)
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48:37 <DHess_US> Used to watch passenger aircraft landing at LAX from the hills of Orange county.
49:37 <DHess_US> You need a good antenna for that. The sidelobes limit performance.
50:11 <coppice> I used to like watching the planes land at the old HK airport, from the top of the Kowloon hills. They passed far below you standing up there, making a very impressive sight
50:25 <DHess_US> Common antennas are designed for maximum gain at a given length and have poor sidelobe performance.
51:23 <coppice> sidelobes are ones of the biggest issues in designing radar antennae. designer love to work the designs that look elegant, but those always seem to suck fo sidelobes, and you end up with something ugly but functional
52:14 <DHess_US> My antenna optimized for gain would have been about 6.5 dB. Optimized for low sidelobes it was about 5.5 dB.
53:21 <coppice> Its 35 years since I last worked in radar research. The increase in compute power must mean most of ideas we had to throw out as impractical are now mainstream
53:23 <DHess_US> I stopped optimizing at that point because the parking lot on a hill I used for an antenna test range had too many trees, and I could distinguish them.
54:22 <coppice> the antenna gain doesn't matter much in a scanning radar
55:11 <DHess_US> They still mostly make pulse systems though. The processing required for an actively scanned array using chirps or spread spectrum still takes a rack full of equipment.
55:47 <coppice> most of the pulsed ones chirp, you know
55:53 <DHess_US> well, a rack full of DSP and ASIC processors.
56:07 <DHess_US> I mean simple FM modulation.
56:49 <coppice> FM radars never needed that much processing. they put compact FM radars in the noses of fighters in teh 1960s
56:52 <DHess_US> I bet the designs which use PAM are still classified. They have processing gain.
57:13 <DHess_US> But they weren't actively scanned arrays. I know that have that now.
57:29 <DHess_US> The LPI radars might be doing that.
58:28 <coppice> I assume transmitting pure noise is the way to go these days. It won't take very big hardware to do that in real time now. The noise based research stuff we did in the 1980s was based on recording, and slowly post processing the data on the ground
59:58 <T3sl4> CDMA eez nutz
59:58 <DHess_US> I just haven't seen much about it. I extracts a heavy toll in maximum power because the amplifiers have to be linear.
00:17 <coppice> pretty much all military radars take LPI fairly seriously
01:26 <DHess_US> The last time I looked they were using either pulse compression or something like a random noise burst.
01:30 <coppice> yeah, the requirement for linear amps imposes a lot of restrictions on the system design
01:57 <coppice> pretty much all pulsed radars use pulse compression
02:30 <coppice> even if they don't need pulse compression to cap the peak power, they get a processing gain from it
05:45 <DHess_US> T3sl4, was looking at upgrading the reference in my 30 year old 4.5 digit multimeter. As it ends up, improving it's zener reference would be surprisingly expensive.
10:05 <T3sl4> heh
14:00 <DHess_US> Bah, trying to find the TC of the resistors they used, and it is listed in a chart in a catalog that I don't have.
17:03 <DHess_US> Arg, I've got every catalog from 1 to 6, and need 7.
18:59 <Halcyon> Mi Goreng definitely needs more chilli. I added about a teaspoon of hot chilli powder. It works well.
20:10 <coppice> Halcyon: bami goreng and nasi goreng are pretty hot when you order then in Indonesia
20:41 <Halcyon> I'm talking about the packet instant noodle type :P
20:52 <Halcyon> I would love to try proper *goreng
21:16 <coppice> its an insult to call those things goreng. where's the fried egg?
21:29 <Halcyon> I thought about it :P
21:45 <Halcyon> I just didn't feel like egg
22:47 <coppice> Halcyon: are there no Indonesian places where you live?
23:00 <Halcyon> There probably are
23:07 <Halcyon> This was just a snack
23:31 <Halcyon> https://www.timeout.com/sydney/restaurants/the-16-best-indonesian-restaurants-in-sydney
23:33 <EEVBot> [Title] - The 16 best Indonesian restaurants in Sydney
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25:55 <Halcyon> Looking at food is making me hungry
26:11 <Halcyon> http://saltnpalm.com.au/documents/salt-and-palm-food-menu.pdf
26:18 <Halcyon> OMG that pork belly on page 8 looks amazing
28:25 <DHess_US> Well, that is an improvement. I need catalog 6, and I have catalogs 1 to 6. Now I have catalogs 1 to 6, and 8.
28:34 <DHess_US> err, need catalog 7
30:40 <MrMobodies> Hello
30:49 <MrMobodies> Something else I am pleased about:
31:01 <MrMobodies> firefox mobile: about:config
31:03 <MrMobodies> layout.css.overscroll-behaviour.enabled
31:23 <Halcyon> What does that do?
31:26 <MrMobodies> You when you scrolling and go over and that annoying bubbly animation thing appears
31:52 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/wUYlEP9.jpg
31:55 <MrMobodies> this nuisance
32:14 <MrMobodies> when I get to the bottom of a page, I know it is as the bottom I don't need reminders of things to tell me
32:27 <MrMobodies> so pleased it's gone
32:49 <MrMobodies> doesn't do it Android 6.0.1 but does it in the later 9 and so on
32:53 <Halcyon> Can't say it ever bothered me
32:59 <MrMobodies> maybe I'd be able to find some setting in android for that
33:10 <MrMobodies> I find it visually annoying
33:40 <MrMobodies> I was at the pub and they said it didn't bother them too
33:47 <MrMobodies> must be something wrong with me
34:00 <MrMobodies> but they notice the spinner stuff getting a lot more
34:07 <MrMobodies> on their phones and tablets
34:29 <MrMobodies> what I'd like to do when typing the address bar, no history or bookmarks
34:35 <MrMobodies> just leave the content alone as I am typing in
34:41 <MrMobodies> no suggestions show up anymore so that's good
34:45 <MrMobodies> and no autofill
35:03 <MrMobodies> I like plain
35:38 <MrMobodies> here is stopped doing it in the Nokia Android 9
35:41 <MrMobodies> strange
35:47 <MrMobodies> the main menu I mean
36:01 <Halcyon> Yeh I don't like predictive text/autofill
36:10 <MrMobodies> I find that visually annoying too
36:22 <MrMobodies> I can spell type quickly
36:36 <MrMobodies> anfd the last thing I want are auto stuff appearing that I find distracting
36:48 <MrMobodies> oh also firefox has this thing
36:54 <MrMobodies> if I select a form or a search box
36:56 <MrMobodies> it zooms in
37:07 <MrMobodies> I found that one and disabled it
38:22 <MrMobodies> it's called autozoom
39:09 <MrMobodies> findhelper.autozoom
39:14 <MrMobodies> formhelper.autozoom
39:24 <MrMobodies> doens't help me, it interferred
39:33 <MrMobodies> I can see what I am typing
40:02 <MrMobodies> isn't that nice
40:40 <MrMobodies> I felt like I was a having a bad week the day before and felt like giving up
40:53 <MrMobodies> so there is some humanity left buried in the about:config with firefox
41:52 <MrMobodies> with the zooming is now as loyal as a dog, no gestures, no moving the page automatically
42:01 <MrMobodies> it does exactly what I want it to do
42:10 <MrMobodies> so it's getting more and more functional
42:38 <MrMobodies> oh and StickyDucky works so Fixedheaders hider and with pinch and zoom
43:00 <MrMobodies> but the 2018 version only seems to work with this release
43:17 <MrMobodies> I am using duckduckgo and it is beautifull!
43:46 <MrMobodies> pinch and zoom into the pictures, something I can't do with a desktop.
44:43 <MrMobodies> and my 4000+ line network blocklist is on there
44:56 <MrMobodies> no suggestions on search all taken care off
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48:12 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/TA6pGmk
48:12 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
48:31 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Footy time! https://t.co/b2YWvlOfmN
48:32 <MrMobodies> doesn't that look nice?
48:45 <Halcyon> I guess?
49:05 <Halcyon> Ewww, Dave likes footy. Such a bogan :P
49:09 <MrMobodies> the reason I set it to 1200 dpi is because I get more space
49:17 <MrMobodies> and I can pinch and zoom into things
49:39 <MrMobodies> I can get to where I want quickly without scrolling too much
50:06 <MrMobodies> oh dear it hanged
50:16 <MrMobodies> but I don't mind
52:57 <Nothing\> man what the hell
53:14 <Nothing\> this sega genesis/master system emulator doesn't come with BIOS files
53:24 <Nothing\> what kind of cheap crap is that
53:44 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Clearly a chem trail. LOL. https://t.co/uxANB6ltux
54:09 <Nothing\> i kept seeing chemtrails once
54:20 <Nothing\> turned out i just had to brush my teeth really bad.-
59:01 <Halcyon> Charming
01:06 <MrMobodies> oh
01:16 <MrMobodies> google no suggestions
01:17 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/me6sjvB.jpg
01:35 <MrMobodies> so pleased to get that network blocklist on there
01:52 <MrMobodies> nice when things start to work for me for a change
04:00 <MrMobodies> it took me three hours to go through the about:config
04:43 <MrMobodies> tonight I'll do it for the Sony, but I did turn off the overscroll behaviour thing
16:58 <MrMobodies> it looks like I am not alone on that one
16:59 <MrMobodies> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/58134744/disable-default-overscroll-behaviour-on-scrollview
17:01 <EEVBot> [Title] - java - Disable default overscroll behaviour on ScrollView - Stack Overflow
17:05 <MrMobodies> oops window stuck
18:04 <MrMobodies> I guess that would be in Android Studio to do with the skin or theme
21:38 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtMZRcGX9lM
21:40 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Instant Spicy Glass Fishballs Noodles
21:43 <Halcyon> That first one looks amazing
33:19 <steve30> hi
33:38 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
37:59 <MrMobodies> I thought they were ice cream at first with the packaging
38:06 <MrMobodies> but it looks nice the sauce
38:14 <MrMobodies> got to go to bed now
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49:27 <Halcyon> electrohead, go to sleep
33:44 <Nothing\> damn
34:00 <Nothing\> just watched this video of this woman who has 2 pet old world porcupines
34:24 <Nothing\> apparently the old world ones haven't got barbs on their quills, but their quills are about as thick as pencils
34:49 <Nothing\> so getting quilled is basically like getting stabbed by dozens of pencils
35:18 <Nothing\> she got quilled in the leg and each quill was like a proper stab wound
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27:37 <T3sl4> hola le mon
34:10 <Lemon> hmmrfff I really want to fix that TTL issue
34:27 <Lemon> using RTL or whatever instead isnt a pleasing solution
34:32 <Lemon> I want to know why its not working properly
36:47 <T3sl4> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
37:07 <Lemon> if I take a nice picture of the breadboard circuit, can you please take a look ?
37:12 <Lemon> I trimmed legs so everything is neat
37:27 <Lemon> its a D flip flop fed by an astable multivibrator, really nothing fancy
37:44 <Lemon> what I dont understand, is Q and not Q have a different voltage, 1.8 and 2.5v
37:48 <Lemon> what can cause that ?
38:22 <T3sl4> can you draw the circuit so i don't have to?
38:31 <Lemon> ok I will try my best
38:42 <T3sl4> steve30 irl https://imgur.com/gallery/xg274mS
38:43 <EEVBot> [Title] - i caught him sleeping like this in his cat tree - Album on Imgur
21:15 <Lemon> ok T3sl4, thats the first time I draw a schematic from a circuit I build, to build it on a breadboard basically I followed the diagram of a d flip flop, so I struggled to draw it, I hope it makes sense ! https://imgur.com/wcFM0xe
21:16 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
21:25 <Lemon> theres some quirks here and there, I hope its readable
22:04 <Lemon> ha shit, its in a wrong orientation
22:18 <Lemon> I didnt draw the multivibrator tho, its working as it should so no issue with it
22:22 <Lemon> I can draw it if needed
22:58 <T3sl4> surely thats a D latch, not ff?
23:28 <T3sl4> theres no pullup on Q, /Q, and the LEDs are backwards?
24:53 <T3sl4> are those all 1.15k, not 10k?
27:52 <Lemon> yes I just saw that leds are backwards, sorry
28:13 <Lemon> no, 11k actually, I also forgot that D: but that doesnt change much I guess
28:30 <Lemon> I mean, it does work as a d flip flop
28:46 <Lemon> maybe I did errors when drawing it ? I reviewed it a couple times
28:50 <Lemon> I think its how I wired it
28:59 <Lemon> something I just noticed, is two resistors going to a base
29:04 <Lemon> so 20k, instead of 10k
29:07 <Lemon> well 22
29:15 <Lemon> I will try to remove that
29:50 <Lemon> ha nvm
29:57 <Lemon> its supposed to be like this
31:16 <T3sl4> yeah it has to be master-slave, you need two RS flip-flops, meaning two feedback loops. you only have that on the rightmost two pair
33:10 <T3sl4> and the input is wired to only flop, i think, there's no inversion so it won't toggle
33:33 <Lemon> but I mean, it does work ? lemme show you a video of it
33:49 <T3sl4> but a D latch will toggle at the propagation delay, you need a full f/f to get a toggle action
34:30 <Lemon> https://drive.google.com/file/d/11lknK1YT9FD5zYTI2JgZBghcZ4uzAVWS/view?usp=sharing its the exact same circuit, legs werent trimmed, thats all
34:31 <EEVBot> [Title] - 302 Moved
34:38 <Lemon> ha so it can still work ?
34:53 <Lemon> what I mean is, even wrong it can blink like this ?
35:04 <Lemon> im lacking the right vocabulary
35:08 <Lemon> im using leds to make it simple
35:28 <T3sl4> ah, your orange wire is on the other side, it'll oscillate then
35:46 <T3sl4> if it blinks, you need an oscope to see it
36:02 <Lemon> ha toggle is the right word ?
36:08 <Lemon> one on, one off, one on
36:09 <Lemon> etc
36:26 <Lemon> issue is, Q and not Q got a different voltage
36:33 <Lemon> like 1.8 and 2.5
36:48 <Lemon> so its not toggling correctly, its like 1,0 1,0 1,0 instead of 1,0,1,0,1,0
37:02 <Lemon> and on top of that, as you can see its not a clear 1 or 0
37:15 <T3sl4> looks like a weird time constant in there
37:28 <T3sl4> but yeah it's a latch not a f/f, it's oscillating
37:34 <Lemon> hmmm
37:42 <Lemon> I did follow a ben eater video
37:45 <T3sl4> you measure an intermediate voltage because the meter and led read the average value, in effect
37:48 <Lemon> and I did the exact same thing
38:18 <Lemon> at first I used like him a cap + resistor with a button to make the clock
38:24 <Lemon> and I had the exact same behavior as him
38:30 <Lemon> so I think I wired everything correctly
38:48 <Lemon> then I linked not Q to data in, and the multivibrator to the clock input instead of the cap/resistor
38:52 <Lemon> and here we are
40:59 <T3sl4> right
41:35 <T3sl4> you have this https://www.electrical4u.com/d-flip-flop-or-d-latch/
41:35 <EEVBot> [Title] - Access denied | www.electrical4u.com used Cloudflare to restrict access
42:26 <T3sl4> https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/sequential/seq_4.html
42:30 <T3sl4> you need this
42:37 <EEVBot> [Title] - D-type Flip Flop Counter or Delay Flip-flop
43:52 <Lemon> hmmmm
44:06 <Lemon> I dontt fully understand, you mean a master-slave d flip flop ?
44:16 <Lemon> because I saw many people using what I have times 4 to make a 4 bit counter
44:26 <Lemon> thats why I dont understand, why I dont have a proper 1 bit counter
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51:56 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
52:03 <Lemon> guten tag !
52:16 <steve30> hi
52:29 <steve30> Who was it who got the Swan Morto knife?
52:52 <Ysjoelfir> the who??
54:45 * T3sl4 hugs steve30
55:34 <rust_collector> the lemon
55:47 <Lemon> me :>
55:50 <steve30> I just popped in to a bit of woodland earlier and couldn't help but notice a large number of discarded durex wrappers.
55:52 <Dude> hey
56:00 <Ampera> yoo Dude bro
56:02 <Ampera> how you doing
56:06 <Dude> hey
56:08 <Dude> doing alright
56:15 <Dude> you?
56:22 <Ampera> stuffing my face with apple turnovers
56:27 <steve30> I went past some Swan-Morton buildings earlier, and couldn't help but think of the Swan-Morto knife.
56:38 * Dude googles apple turnovers
56:38 <Lemon> hoooo neat !
57:10 <Lemon> hmm question, will IPA be ok to clean old tools ?
57:16 <Dude> ah, looks nice
57:26 <Dude> what sort of tools?
57:32 <T3sl4> i'll turn you over, Ampera
57:41 <rust_collector> it will not hurt anything...
57:50 <Dude> T3sl4, you'll likely recognize this
57:52 <Dude> https://www.dropbox.com/s/kqtoaxg8zvh8rq0/Screenshot%202021-06-13%2013.43.50.png?raw=1
58:08 <Dude> is there any specific name for this sort of filter?
58:22 <Lemon> pliers, front cutters...
58:27 <T3sl4> some sort of gyrator thingy?
58:29 <Lemon> I got them at a house clearance yday
58:34 <Lemon> they are greasy/dusty
58:49 <Dude> it's a PWM filter for the DAC in the fluke 5720a calibrator
59:00 <Dude> this specific arrangement
59:13 <Dude> the impedance is rather interesting
59:14 <Dude> hold on
00:11 <Dude> https://www.dropbox.com/s/68tdej0l0hoad2j/Screenshot%202021-06-13%2013.59.55.png?raw=1
00:17 <rust_collector> Lemon just try it, it will not damage metal. if it is not enough, dump them in gasoline, then use the ipa to get that off, lol
00:46 <Dude> the left part is essentially -20dB/dec for the two capacitors at the input
00:49 <Dude> C1 and C2
00:56 <T3sl4> this is the usual version, https://mysite.du.edu/~etuttle/electron/elect66.htm (server crypto is out of date, don't mind it)
00:57 <EEVBot> [Title] - The Gyrator
01:09 <Dude> then the five pole thing takes over in the middle with the steep dropoff
01:24 <Dude> and the linear part on the right is determined by the GBW and Aol of the amplifiers
02:00 <Dude> yeah, but this doesn't behave inductively
02:34 <Lemon> rust_collector aight ima eat my dear kinder bueno and do it
02:35 <Lemon> thanks
02:43 <Lemon> they look to be nice tools
02:54 <Lemon> cutter parts are in good shape, pliers too
03:05 <Lemon> and the little metal saw will be perfect for plastic
03:12 <Lemon> I know its not really meant for that, but it works well
03:16 <Dude> also it's a rather interesting filter, since the impendance isn't that low at lower frequencies
03:18 <rust_collector> yep, they should be fine, after a cleaning and maybe some wrok, if needed
03:30 <Dude> but super low above a certain frequency, which is what you select as the PWM frequency
04:02 <Dude> so it settles reasonably quickly, but attenuates the PWM wiggliness very hard
04:53 <Dude> also the stopband impedance is about -35dBohm with realistic amplifiers
05:20 <Dude> the -100dBohm thing in the sim is just because I cranked the gains and bandwidths super high
05:20 <Lemon> I want to cut some screws with the front cutter, I guess it will be fine
05:42 <rust_collector> the facom thing?
06:36 <Lemon> yeah
06:39 <Lemon> it looks stronk
07:09 <rust_collector> well, it is made to apply a lot of force, so I guess it should have tough jaws
07:09 <Lemon> looks I could easily cut 2mm piano wire with that
07:20 <Lemon> yeah and its demultiplied
07:30 <Lemon> a nice bargain for 1 euro and some cents
07:58 <Lemon> before I got interested in tools, I used to think like many here (idk in other countries) that facom was the summum
08:05 <Lemon> its good, but its far from being the best
08:46 <rust_collector> one time, I looked up the price of a "complete" kit of wrenches and sockets from facom, they were... not cheap, but not tooooooo horrible either. it only made my cry a little bit
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09:16 <Lemon> yeah dont look at full kits
09:26 <Lemon> wrenches are expensive anyway
09:36 <rust_collector> if I want a full kit, yeah, I will look at full kits
09:37 <Lemon> I looked at a nice erm tweezers kit
09:44 <Lemon> it was what, 5-6 tweezers ?
09:51 <Lemon> 300+ euros
10:02 <Lemon> I vomited a bit, just a blurp you know
10:12 <rust_collector> titanium wrenches and sockets are pretty nice, in a way
10:57 <Lemon> yeah they are superb
11:02 <rust_collector> but no, I ended up getting 34 sets of crap in stead, over the years
11:04 <Lemon> I need a set too
11:07 * Ampera licks the Lemon 
11:13 <Lemon> that and flat wrenches too
11:17 <Ampera> mmm pithy
11:20 <Lemon> how you doing ampy :>
11:34 <Ampera> about to get back to dealing with TLS client certs
11:47 <rust_collector> oooh, party time!
11:50 <Lemon> ggood luck !
13:22 <Lemon> theres so many tools on my wanted/needed list
13:28 <Lemon> even if I got the most important ones I think
13:34 <Ampera> you are a tool on my wanted/needed list
13:53 <Lemon> but sometimes the ifixit kits aint cutting it, as you cant go in deep holes with them (insert joke here)
14:00 <Lemon> im a tool ? :(
14:21 <Ampera> a cute tool
18:17 <Lemon> I saw a nice wera kit, with long bits, which looks perfect
18:25 <Lemon> standalone drivers are nice but it takes space
19:09 <rust_collector> but bits take too much space near the screw.
24:24 <Lemon> I dont understand ?
24:48 <Lemon> https://www.amazon.fr/Wera-Assortiment-dembouts-KK-62/dp/B000NI7RRS/ref=sr_1_16?__mk_fr_FR=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=wera+tournevis+kit&qid=1623587078&sr=8-16
24:50 <EEVBot> [Title] -
24:50 <Lemon> it was this
25:28 <rust_collector> the shank on a driver is thin, the shank on a bit driver is not so much. it may or may not be an issue
29:33 <Lemon> the shank is the piece near the thing that connect to the screw ?
29:53 <Lemon> yes ok I see
29:54 <rust_collector> uh, yes, the shaft, if you will
29:56 <Lemon> hmmmm
30:13 <rust_collector> usually not a problem. but it can be, lol
30:23 <Lemon> I mean on those bits
30:29 <rust_collector> if you have long bits, it is not an issue
30:30 <Lemon> I dont see it as an issue ?
30:33 <Lemon> yeah
30:43 <rust_collector> but it is a thing
30:48 <Lemon> thats why I want to replace ifixit kits I have, they are nice but not if you need to go deep
31:35 <Dude> >inb4 screwdriverlets come in and get butthurt "it's not the size of the screwdriver that matters, it's how you use it"
33:24 <Ampera> Well that seems to be the problem, the curve I used for my TLS client cert isn't supported by firefox
33:26 <Ampera> again
33:31 <Ampera> :/
35:31 <Ampera> guess I totally really /have/ to use NIST crap
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27:15 <Ampera> FINALLY
27:20 <Ampera> It works
31:12 <Ampera> in chromium
31:27 <Ampera> firefox is refusing to provide the client cert for some dumb reason
36:44 <Lemon> alright, I cleaned and oiled the linesman plier and the facom cutter
36:53 <Lemon> they are smooth now, but they deserve a sharpenning
36:59 <Lemon> I dont know/have no tools to do that
37:18 <rust_collector> then leave them alone, lol
39:07 <Lemon> yes, I will ask someone
39:18 <Lemon> I tried the cutter on 1-2mm copper wire, its butter lol
39:21 <Lemon> as expected
39:40 <rust_collector> yeah, copper is like snipping chewing gum
40:47 <Lemon> I'll use the pair of pliers as a "I dont care if it dies" pair
41:01 <Lemon> I'll still buy a knipex one later tho
41:08 <Lemon> its useful to have anyway
42:41 <Lemon> I want to try japanese Engineer pliers/cutters
42:53 <Lemon> many peeps says they are super nice, and they are on the cheaper side
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43:34 <rust_collector> but you need a proper hacksaw...
43:57 <Lemon> boarf not really
44:10 <Lemon> im not really doing "big" things
44:17 <Lemon> but I wouldnt spit on a real, good dremel tho
44:24 <Lemon> the parkside I have is meh
44:42 <rust_collector> you don't have to do big things to have good use of a hacksaw.
45:11 <rust_collector> and... a good dremel... where will you find an early 80s dremel that is still in good shape?
46:16 <Lemon> newer ones are bad ?
46:29 <rust_collector> dremel is pretty meh
47:11 <rust_collector> they do work. get a mains powered one
50:07 <Lemon> I'll look around
50:10 <Lemon> ever tried those ? https://www.amazon.fr/Vampire-Pince-Mini-dextraction-vis/dp/B00LMMU2HG/ref=sr_1_16?__mk_fr_FR=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=engineer+plier&qid=1623592121&sr=8-16#customerReviews
50:12 <EEVBot> [Title] -
50:16 <Lemon> or a similar one I mean
50:52 <rust_collector> hmmmm, not that I can remember no
51:16 <Lemon> many times I had an issue with those stupid ass screws tightenned to death
51:28 <Lemon> and you cant always use a hammer/heat/drill to get them out
52:41 <Lemon> and also I will replace my shitty old facom that saw probably 3 decades of abuse with this one https://www.amazon.fr/Knipex-87-250-performances-multimati%C3%A8res/dp/B0001P0CKC/ref=pb_allspark_dp_session_sims_pao_desktop_5/258-0739255-0076462?pd_rd_w=m5hxi&pf_rd_p=9ab4ff8b-d19d-493a-9a73-4e400e0f6604&pf_rd_r=V6M8JWVY9QWPS7J3TXNZ&pd_rd_r=d20e0c80-bfee-417b-98b5-8be331fbb56f&pd_rd_wg=LO1wv&pd_rd_i=B0001P0CKC&psc=1
52:42 <EEVBot> [Title] -
52:48 <Lemon> im too tired of screaming at it
53:08 <Lemon> last time I needed to change the gas tank from my mothers cooker or whatever is it called
53:15 <Lemon> anger was real lol
53:34 <rust_collector> did it involve any fire?
53:49 <rust_collector> but yeah, those are not bad
54:02 <Lemon> nah I just stripped the thing because it wasnt clamping it
54:20 <rust_collector> I don't know how many of those I have wrecked, but I keep buying them, for some reason, lol
54:43 <Ampera> Finally got TLS client cert auth working
54:49 <Ampera> it was just an endless pit of firefox being so fucking picky
55:39 <Ampera> for EC keys, firefox wants /nothing/ but NIST p256, p384, or p521
56:02 <Ampera> but not only that, the certificate /must/ be hashed with SHA of the same byte size
56:17 <rust_collector> there you go
56:19 <Ampera> so if I'm using p384, it's not good enough to use SHA256 or SHA512, instead I /must/ use SHA384
57:03 <Ampera> but, https://rss.amperaa.net:8080/ should be inaccessible to any of you
57:03 <EEVBot> I don't think so.
57:24 <Ampera> I need to buy another 2ld just so I can start breaking the bot again
57:36 <rust_collector> Did Not Connect: Potential Security Issue
57:46 <Ampera> that's the idea
58:47 <Lemon> rust_collector those are the one I was talking about https://www.kiwi-electronics.nl/en-nz12?lang=en
58:49 <EEVBot> [Title] - Precision Parallel Wire Cutter 125mm - NZ-12 - Engineer
59:16 <rust_collector> ok
59:32 <Lemon> they are quite thin, which is neat
59:45 <Lemon> when you need to access something buried in a jungle of wires
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