// #eevblog — 2021-06-02
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00:06:48 <Nero_> well, fixed it
00:06:58 <Nero_> apparently (as usual with these things) it was user error
00:07:06 <Nero_> and I set the resistor to be a jumper which fucked with the nets
00:07:33 <Ysjoelfir> lol. Then my hint with the jumper wasn't that far off :P
00:09:26 <DHess_US> https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-57314928
00:09:27 <EEVBot> [Title] - Watch: Drone crashes into erupting Icelandic volcano - BBC News
00:10:57 <Ysjoelfir> that looks nearly planned
00:11:08 <Ysjoelfir> that thing flew right into that
00:14:22 <Nero_> hahah
00:14:39 <Nero_> indeed Ysjoelfir. your comment did trigger something in the back of my mind that decided to go check for that
00:19:45 <Lemon> I really want to try a super expensive soldering station once, just to see how big of a difference it is with my humble ts100
00:22:10 <DHess_US> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPUL2SQ77uQ
00:22:12 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Perfect peel at the 11foot8+8 bridge
00:23:34 <electrohead> heh
00:23:41 <DHess_US> He didn't even stop.
00:23:44 <electrohead> best part about that one - dude keeps going
00:23:49 <electrohead> love it.
00:24:07 * Ampera hugs electrohead
00:24:10 <electrohead> he probably thought "tis but a scratch, 'fuck it'"
00:24:17 * electrohead counter hugs Ampera
00:24:18 <Ampera> how are you doing electrohead
00:24:22 Mode: (by electrohead) -o electrohead
00:24:26 <electrohead> good, mate
00:24:36 <electrohead> updates are finally done
00:24:41 <Ampera> 3 hours 30 minutes until I am finally done with work
00:24:56 <Ampera> here are the list of things I have done today so far: I made a few icons for a tool
00:25:02 <electrohead> lol
00:25:16 <Nero_> I learnt an important lesson about brand-new chips
00:25:16 <Ampera> I'm also doing research into how I can discontinue my use of firefox on the desktop
00:25:33 <Nero_> the datasheet misses information
00:29:38 <DHess_US> Reminds me of Tom Clancy's Sun of All Fears where they hire a contract trucker to carry the nuclear bomb to Colorado, and one of the terrorists want to follow him. "Why bother? What will you do if it goes off? Fill in the hole in the road?"
00:30:13 <DHess_US> Why should he stop? It isn't like he can do anything useful.
00:30:57 <DHess_US> Lemon, the only ways to improve soldering iron performance are better thermal conductivity between the heater and tip, and greater thermal capacity, which means more tip mass.
00:31:33 <DHess_US> Those RF soldering irons like the Metcal where the tip is the heater probably have the biggest improvement.
00:31:45 <Lemon> well yes I know that, but im just curious on how much of a difference it will be, as a 1k+ euros station probably cost that much for a reason
00:31:54 <Lemon> ha yes I did try a metcal tho !
00:32:07 <Lemon> it was great, but not a super big difference either
00:32:13 <DHess_US> They can't perform much better unless they are RF like the Metcal.
00:32:25 <Lemon> I guess the biggest difference will be on the long term
00:32:33 <Lemon> that ts100 isnt made to solder for 2 hours straight
00:32:41 <DHess_US> They might be more reliable.
00:32:46 <Lemon> well I remember once when I did my decade box, it didnt heat at all
00:32:59 <DHess_US> Eh, the old Weller Magnestats like I use can run for 24/7 for years without problems.
00:33:14 <Lemon> but I mean, for 50 bucks that ts100 works so well...
00:33:28 <Lemon> I keep telling myself "maybe I should get something better" but its not reasonnable
00:33:48 <Lemon> it heats super fast, like what, 10 seconds from dead cold ? direct heating stuff etc
00:33:56 <Lemon> you can tune it
00:34:12 <DHess_US> I have two of these, https://stevenjohnson.com/soldering/stations.htm
00:34:13 <EEVBot> [Title] - Soldering Stations
00:34:14 <Lemon> only thing is a big offset in temperature vs display, I will fix that once I get my thermometer
00:34:47 <DHess_US> One of them is that Weller WTCPK Military Soldering Kit as shown.
00:35:07 <Lemon> ho yes those are neat !
00:35:34 <DHess_US> Can still buy parts. The heaters break occasionally, and the thermostat switch can fail.
00:36:31 <Lemon> yeah I read that weller is good for that aspect, they stock parts for everything
00:39:19 <Lemon> hmmm theres some melted plastic on one of my iron tip (mistakes were made)
00:39:24 <Lemon> IPA can fix that ?
00:39:31 <Lemon> thats the first time I bought some
00:39:41 <Ysjoelfir> heat it up and wipe it off, way easyer
00:39:45 <Lemon> and I dont know if it can harm anything
00:39:54 <Lemon> yeah I did, but some is left on it
00:40:06 <Ysjoelfir> then don't care about that, it will burn away soon
00:40:52 <Lemon> well, it was mostly to try IPA on it, and see if it would make it shiny :>
00:41:45 <DHess_US> Should always tin the soldering iron tip before shutting it down to protect it.
00:41:59 <DHess_US> Only wipe it to clean it just before you use it to solder.
00:42:07 <Lemon> yeah thats also what I did
00:42:15 <Lemon> but you know, its not only on the tip :>
00:42:30 <Lemon> well anyway, I cant damage it with IPA, r ight ?
00:43:26 <DHess_US> IPA is fine
00:44:03 <Lemon> good
00:44:20 <Lemon> ho and another note, the little aneng ac11 (which is a "socket tester") is really neat
00:44:30 <Lemon> im quite impressed for the price
00:46:34 <DHess_US> Weller used to sell blocks of ammonia chloride for cleaning tips, https://www.amazon.com/SRA-Sal-Ammoniac-Tinning-Block/dp/B01I4QFZPG/
00:46:35 <EEVBot> [Title] - Sorry! Something went wrong!
00:48:27 <DHess_US> Or maybe it was Kester.
00:48:50 <DHess_US> Was Kester. That is the one I have, https://www.ebay.com/itm/Kester-SAL-Ammoniac-Tinning-Block-NEW-READ-8-oz-Box-/293205745993?_ul=IN
00:48:53 <EEVBot> [Title] - Kester SAL Ammoniac Tinning Block NEW READ 8 oz. Box | eBay
00:49:48 <Lemon> I guess those "tin refresher" you can buy on aliexpress/ebay are the same kind, maybe not ammonia
00:53:17 <DHess_US> Those are different.
00:55:41 <K> ersa sells tip restoring paste as well
00:56:34 <K> worked quite nice after collegue burnt some pvc isolation with plated tip
00:59:27 * Ampera starts a magnesium fire
00:59:38 <Ampera> mmm, shiny lights
01:01:15 * hsn throws flafel to Ampera
01:01:39 <hsn> Hey Ysjoelfir thanks
01:01:47 * Ampera mid-air oms the thrown falafel
01:04:07 <K> falafel burns in magnesium
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01:16:25 <Ysjoelfir> you're welcome hsn
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02:18:38 <DHess_US> Picked up one of these at a Memorial day sale. Astonishingly, it properly enumerates the USB port that it is charging from. https://www.milwaukeetool.com/Products/Batteries-and-Chargers/M12-Batteries-and-Chargers/48-59-1201
02:18:39 <EEVBot> [Title] - M12™ Charger and Portable Power Source
02:21:09 <DHess_US> Of course it will take 2 days to charge the smallest battery if you plug it into a USB port that doesn't support charging, but at least it won't blow up your computer.
02:22:12 <T3sl4> mmm, falafel
02:22:21 <T3sl4> i picked up some mix the other day
02:25:44 <DHess_US> My next project I think, and as a bonus, I found a mistake in the design several years ago so I can fix it. https://ibb.co/q9zFcCg
02:25:45 <EEVBot> [Title] - DM501-A-2-All — ImgBB
02:26:43 <DHess_US> That is, I found a bug in the integrating ADC made by Siliconix which they fixed in a later version but never acknowledged.
02:27:37 <DHess_US> The problem is that I need to find the best precision low input bias current operational amplifier to fix it. Suggestions? It can't be a chopper.
02:30:17 <DHess_US> The original fix used an AD542.
02:36:09 <T3sl4> opa192?
02:36:33 <T3sl4> can maybe find something a little cheaper without the RRIO
02:39:53 <DHess_US> Huh, that is a really good part. I don't think it existed last time I looked at this.
02:39:59 <DHess_US> Awfully noisy though.
02:40:33 <hsn> Hey rust_collector
02:40:53 <hsn> Be carful of too much gaming
02:40:54 <hsn> https://youtube.com/shorts/53b1IFBD8mk?feature=share
02:41:03 <DHess_US> My default choice will be the LT1012 which has like 1/3rd the noise.
02:41:47 <hsn> RRIO = rail to rail input and output?
02:41:59 <DHess_US> The AD542 had even worse noise than the OPA192.
02:42:04 <Kuschelpony> hsn yes
02:42:07 <DHess_US> But not by muchj.
02:43:26 <DHess_US> T3sl4, I wonder if TI is fudging those CMRR specifications. That is awfully high for a CMOS part whether trimmed or not.
02:46:10 <T3sl4> heh, dunno
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03:28:29 <Lemon> kinder pingui + orangina
03:28:33 <Lemon> livin the dream
03:51:01 <electrohead> o/
03:54:55 <Ampera> hi electrohead
03:54:58 <Ampera> how are you doing
03:55:45 * T3sl4 hugs Ampera
03:55:52 * Ampera polishes T3sl4
03:56:00 * T3sl4 germans electrohead
03:56:21 <Ampera> you better czech that math
03:56:31 <electrohead> I already have a lot of german in me :p
04:35:32 <hsn> https://youtube.com/shorts/ViZnVnN_ivk?feature=share
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04:40:45 <DHess_US> T3sl4, I found a severe problem with the OPA192, lack of availability.
04:41:05 <T3sl4> i have plenty in an envelope :P
04:41:24 <T3sl4> baggie i should say
04:41:27 <T3sl4> actually, how many did i have left from that project hmm
04:44:51 <T3sl4> i used OPA4171 and 4191 on that, of which i have 11 and 2 respectively
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04:51:57 <T3sl4> you can guess why i needed 191 instad of all 171 :P
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04:54:56 <DHess_US> Weird, I can't find the OPA192 in TI's selection guides.
04:55:22 <Nothing\> welp, after 5-10 mins of staring at the computer trying to figure out what to do, i decided to come in here as it's my default "i dunno what to do" thing to do
04:55:31 <DHess_US> Was looking to see if they had other candidates, but all I found was that they confuse nanoamps and picoamps on the OP-07.
04:55:50 <T3sl4> wait, did i mean opa191? lol
04:56:03 <Nothing\> T3sl4, i called my grandfather opa
04:56:24 <Nothing\> also <3
04:56:28 * Nothing\ hugs T3sl4
04:56:32 <T3sl4> <3
04:56:55 <DHess_US> <DHess_US> The original fix used an AD542.
04:56:55 <DHess_US> <T3sl4> opa192?
04:57:15 <Nothing\> maybe i should make an nmos flip flop
04:57:23 <Nothing\> from discreet transistors
04:57:38 <T3sl4> no it was 171 192 i used before, sorry
04:59:51 <Nothing\> hey i just realized something
05:00:12 <Nothing\> when luke was going to the toshi station in a new hope to get those power converters
05:00:20 <Nothing\> he was just getting some SMPSs
05:00:55 <T3sl4> yep
05:00:58 <Nothing\> you know how there were always jokes that he was picking up a group of strippers called "the power converters"
05:07:21 <Nothing\> my cat's being insubordinate
05:07:35 <Nothing\> he went pee, so i told him to go cut me a switch
05:07:40 <Nothing\> and he refuses to do that
05:07:55 <Nothing\> he just stares at me blank eyed pretending not to understand me
05:08:17 <Nothing\> i keep telling him that just means more switches for him to cut and be flogged with
05:10:10 <hsn> Anyone wants sandistanian variant?
05:10:11 <hsn> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0882401021002278
05:10:12 <EEVBot> [Title] - ScienceDirect
05:11:00 <Ysjoelfir> no thanks, keep that for yourself please :P
05:11:37 <Ysjoelfir> I wonder, is rust_collector here?
05:13:20 <DHess_US> T3sl4, same part but the 191 is lower power and even higher noise
05:13:50 <T3sl4> ah
05:16:07 <DHess_US> I don't know why they don't show up in the TI selection guides.
05:29:05 <Lemon> hmmm I'm quite tempted by this lot https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001621582322.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.62fd3c00r3fogo&mp=1
05:29:07 <EEVBot> [Title] - 500gram/lot Mixed Electrolytic capacitor Sale For DIY lover Repair electronic component package Read before Order|Capacitors| - AliExpress
05:29:22 <Lemon> its mostly nichicon NOS caps
05:29:47 <Ysjoelfir> I highly doubt that
05:29:57 <Lemon> it is ! check the reviews
05:30:10 <Lemon> ha you mean
05:30:12 <Lemon> fake nichicons ?
05:30:30 <Ysjoelfir> yes. or real ones, but used and "polished" to make them look like new
05:30:40 <Lemon> hmmm
05:31:21 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1JlYZQG3lI
05:31:21 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Why There are Now So Many Shortages (It's Not COVID)
05:31:59 <Lemon> ho Ysjoelfir I remember one day you linked me a website selling lots of components, do you remember which one it was ?
05:34:05 <Nothing\> man, i was just reflecting on how fast internet speeds have become
05:34:24 <Nothing\> i remember 15 years ago 1gbps down was like a pipe dream
05:34:40 <T3sl4> Lemon: you mean digikey? :P
05:34:41 <Nothing\> now i can get 300mbps for like $80
05:34:56 <Lemon> nahhh :> it was a website selling NOS lots
05:35:17 <Nothing\> heh i almost bought some packs of 2n7000s and bs250s cuz i couldn't find any anywhere
05:35:19 <Lemon> but tbh im quite tempted by those lots of electrolytics, people seem to be happy, esr/cap test good
05:35:28 <Lemon> ofc you also need to test leakage etc
05:35:50 <Nothing\> all i could find was less than 20 of each and i wanted to build ICs with discrete components
05:35:57 <Nothing\> like a D flip flop from transistors
05:36:22 <Lemon> hmm yeah no I wont risk getting those you know what
05:36:28 <Nothing\> came clos te ordering them, then i found a bag with about 100 of each type of FET in it
05:36:28 <Lemon> thats not serious
05:36:53 <Nothing\> it is if you only have a dozen or two fets and wanna do it with CMOS
05:37:01 <Halcyon> Morning guys
05:37:07 <Nothing\> horning Halcyon
05:37:19 <Nothing\> Halcyon, you know there's a medications that has your namesake
05:37:30 <Lemon> besides electrolytics
05:37:41 <Lemon> what about metal films, or polyester ?
05:37:43 <Nothing\> oh, it's called halcion
05:37:46 <Lemon> is it risky to buy NOS lots ?
05:37:51 <Halcyon> Oh really?
05:37:55 <Halcyon> What do they do?
05:38:01 <Nothing\> Lemon, in what manner? like, legally?
05:38:13 <Lemon> from ebay/aliexpress sellers
05:38:14 * T3sl4 hugs Halcyon
05:38:26 <Halcyon> Heya T3sl4
05:38:40 <Nothing\> Lemon, i knew people who used to buy boxes upon boxes of chargers for whipped cream dispensors
05:38:44 <Nothing\> you should be alright
05:38:46 <T3sl4> Lemon: it's ebay/ali, doesn't matter what it is
05:39:04 <Nothing\> i also knew people who used to buy dried poppy pods from ebay to make opium tea from them
05:39:13 <Lemon> no but I meant, we know that electrolytics can be dodgy (they age badly)
05:39:15 <Nothing\> cuz they were legal to buy/sell for floral arrangements
05:39:28 <Lemon> so I was asking, for the other components like film caps, polyester caps, etc
05:39:28 <Nothing\> so they'd buy like 500 dried opium pods
05:39:36 <Lemon> are those "safe" to buy like that ? do they age well ?
05:40:01 <Nothing\> Lemon, ah lol figured i'd go right to drugs
05:40:15 <Lemon> yeah I think we misunderstood xd
05:40:30 <Nothing\> dave's got a video about the diffent caps and their pros and cons, it may help if you want a link.
05:40:46 <Lemon> I just want to build a parts box (I already have stuff, but complete it) and I wonder if it isnt better to buy NOS components, rather than new chinese kits
05:41:04 <T3sl4> film and ceramic are stable over time but how do you know what you're getting until you test it
05:41:17 <Nothing\> oh i'm thinknig nos=nitrous oxide
05:41:27 <Nothing\> nah man
05:41:30 <Nothing\> you want tantalums
05:41:43 <Nothing\> those things'll last forever and never ever pose a fire hazard
05:41:52 <Lemon> tantalums ?
05:41:58 <Nothing\> lol i was just kidding
05:42:04 <Lemon> arent those ending their life shorting themselves ?
05:42:07 <Nothing\> but yeah, tantalum capacitors
05:42:14 <Nothing\> yup-
05:42:18 <T3sl4> mmm, thermite
05:42:35 <Nothing\> they have a tendency to burst into flames spontaneously
05:43:02 <Lemon> I guess I will just buy chinese kits for prototyping
05:43:09 <Lemon> and order single parts to build the thing
05:43:14 <Nothing\> chinesium isn't ALL bad
05:43:24 <Lemon> nah I know but its not super good either
05:43:35 <Nothing\> honestly if i hadn't read up on them, i never would have suspected my parts were counterfeit
05:43:58 <Nothing\> mind you i never did any testing or anything on the parts i got
05:44:24 <Nothing\> that's always the sort of comment you see on aliexpress
05:44:48 <Nothing\> "package arrived. Good shipping time. Have yet to test chips"
05:46:53 <Nothing\> guess i'll go have a smoke
05:50:20 <Nothing\> ALL HAIL THE DARK LORD OF THE TWIN MOONS
05:50:33 * T3sl4 moons Nothing\
05:50:56 <Nothing\> T3sl4, MAKE PURCHASE OF THE MERCHANDISE
05:51:37 <Nothing\> ALL ANIMALS CAN SCREAM
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05:54:26 <Lemon> yeah guess I'll live with chinese packs
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05:59:21 <rust_collector> mooooorning?
06:00:16 <Lemon> hi rusty
06:00:22 <rust_collector> HEY!
06:00:23 <Lemon> what have you bought today ?
06:00:41 <rust_collector> I bought 15 liters of diesel
06:00:59 <Lemon> what ?? what are you going to do with that much ?
06:01:03 * T3sl4 sprinkles moist salts on rust_collector
06:01:12 <rust_collector> I am going to burn it
06:02:23 <rust_collector> I did get a small package from china.
06:03:14 <Lemon> hoooo me too, a couple actually !
06:03:18 <Lemon> what was yours ?
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06:03:39 <rust_collector> yellow, with a white label, black text
06:05:17 <rust_collector> ok, it is a few 10k trim pots. so that was really exciting
06:05:56 <Lemon> heh those are useful
06:06:23 <Lemon> I got the lot of kontakt 60/61, 1l IPA bottle, some flux and various things to go with it
06:06:27 <Lemon> annnnd
06:06:41 <Lemon> dupont female to banana male cables
06:06:51 <Lemon> and the little aneng c-11 socket tester
06:06:57 <Lemon> im quite impressed by this thing, really
06:07:07 <Lemon> it feels well made, and it was dirt cheap
06:07:25 <Lemon> I will use it in my flat, im doubtful about the electrical installation there
06:07:58 <rust_collector> today, I had a chat with an italian. he had a load of chilli powder. 17 tons of loose powder
06:08:17 <rust_collector> well, that is a start, I guess
06:08:45 <Lemon> heh thats indeed a lot of chilli powder
06:08:59 <Lemon> and I also ordered one of those silicone heat resistant mats, on aliexpress
06:09:06 <Lemon> so I can stop destroying my poor desk
06:09:17 <rust_collector> I did not think they shipped it in bulk. maybe big bags or something
06:09:52 <rust_collector> ohyes. just wait, you will end up with a plastic cover for your sofa
06:11:19 <Lemon> no way ! I never understood people doing this
06:11:34 <Lemon> whats the point of getting a comfy sofa, if its to sit on a cold plastic bag
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06:13:01 <Ysjoelfir> oy! mr. rc!
06:13:12 <TheDude> hello
06:13:23 <Ysjoelfir> hi dude
06:13:41 <TheDude> I'm somewhat frustrated
06:13:43 <Ysjoelfir> mr. rust, what you think about that? https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vF3wobFeX4PM64r-PaMzREQXSRbLz7oa/view?usp=sharing
06:13:44 <EEVBot> [Title] - 302 Moved
06:13:45 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1swdvspzgTQoNUVAouyA2ZzI_AcCO-vg2/view?usp=sharing
06:13:46 <EEVBot> [Title] - 302 Moved
06:13:54 <rust_collector> uh uh uh wait pasta
06:14:01 <TheDude> trying to get small program running on an EFM32 microcontroller
06:14:29 <TheDude> the supplied manufacturer bare metal libraries are top shelf dogshit
06:14:41 <TheDude> insanely bloated, downright fucking horrendous
06:15:05 <TheDude> files with thousands of lines of code with gorillions of useless, retarded macros
06:15:33 <TheDude> and to top it all off, they have massive universal files which cover all of the different variants through the use of preprocessor commands
06:15:47 <TheDude> the frustration is immeasurable
06:20:28 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir that looks blyatiful.
06:21:15 <rust_collector> what are the little coloured circles with a minus inside?
06:21:15 <Ysjoelfir> thedude, thats the joy of programming!
06:21:28 <TheDude> no, that's not the joy of anything
06:21:41 <rust_collector> right. so it is programming
06:21:51 <Ysjoelfir> rusty, the colored circles are testpoints. don't have to populate them, but might be usefull for troubleshooting
06:21:58 <rust_collector> oh, ok
06:22:08 <TheDude> I just want some manufacturer supplied header files which have the registers with their respective addresses in there
06:22:33 <TheDude> and have structures with various different things in there
06:22:36 <TheDude> no more, no less
06:22:44 <rust_collector> hahaha, no sane person would give you their address
06:22:56 <TheDude> so when I'm reading through the user manual, I can type things into my code and it does that
06:23:33 <TheDude> reeee
06:24:04 <TheDude> Ysjoelfir, what is that circuit?
06:24:37 <rust_collector> it causes fungal infections on grains
06:24:44 <rust_collector> I mean. uhm.
06:25:13 <rust_collector> it is a little power supply thing
06:25:32 <TheDude> neat
06:26:00 <rust_collector> yes, it is pretty pretty
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06:38:48 <Ampera> New motherboard is trying its hardest to be difficult
06:39:04 <Ampera> Tried different CPUs in different sockets, with different memory
06:40:46 * T3sl4 mmmms some burritos
06:41:08 * T3sl4 splats chipotles in adobo at Halcyon
06:48:11 <Ampera> Well that's solved that
06:48:19 <Ampera> probably needs a BIOS update to support Westmere CPUs
06:48:29 <Ampera> thankfully that board came with a working Nehalem CPU, so I can do that
06:49:54 <Ampera> that's nice of them
06:50:02 <Ampera> the BIOS flash is DOS based, but they don't give you the DOS boot disk :P
06:53:23 <T3sl4> would be neat if my mobo had an update for the FX CPUs
06:53:43 <Ampera> T3sl4, what board is it
06:53:56 <Ampera> is it just a really early AM3 one?
06:54:00 <T3sl4> same socket, dunno if they're actually electrically compatible
06:54:25 <Ampera> same socket as?
06:54:45 <Ampera> physically, AMD used the same socket from 939 up to AM3 (was there an AM3+?)
06:55:15 <T3sl4> think its the M4A88T-C EVO
06:55:32 <T3sl4> -V*
06:56:13 <Ampera> Looks like it's just a very early AM3 board
07:02:13 <coppice_> was AM3 when you used DDR2 and AM3+ when you used DDR3.... or was that with AM2?
07:03:52 <T3sl4> this is DDR3 so must be that
07:04:20 <Ampera> The whacky thing you're thinking of is what happened with Phenom II's
07:04:38 <Ampera> Phenom II's had both a DDR3 and DDR2 controller onboard, and could work on either AM2(usually AM2+) motherboards, or AM3
07:04:53 <Ampera> Not all Phenom II's could do this, I believe all the x6's were AM3 only
07:05:14 <DHess_US> Well, this is bad. This multimeter is not reading right, and the power supply is fine. :(
07:05:50 <DHess_US> Apera, at least some of the x6 Phenom IIs could work in AM2+ sockets.
07:05:57 <Ampera> They could?
07:06:12 <DHess_US> Might have been only the first ones. I know they can because my AM2+ Phenom MB can use the x6 CPUs.
07:06:20 <DHess_US> And it is DRR2.
07:06:27 <Ampera> The point to be made is that it was messy to say the least
07:06:49 <DHess_US> Eh, just swap CPU in. The only problem is that low power modes are not supported.
07:06:56 <Ampera> huh, you're right
07:07:09 <DHess_US> I only know because I considered doing it.
07:07:18 <T3sl4> fun thing about computers is, messiness is abstracted away by drivers
07:08:15 <coppice_> I love the consistency in the memory world, where you can get 2 DIMMs with identical part numbers from a major maker like Kingston, and the boards are totally different. They might be functionally identical, but surely there should be some minor difference in the part number?
07:08:59 <DHess_US> https://www.cpu-upgrade.com/mb-ASUS/M3A78-T.html
07:09:00 <EEVBot> [Title] - Access denied
07:10:06 <T3sl4> huh, it just skips over my model CPU
07:13:18 <DHess_US> This says they all supported DDR2 which means they must have worked in AM2+, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Phenom_microprocessors#%22Thuban%22_(E0,_45_nm,_Hexa-core)
07:13:20 <EEVBot> [Title] - List of AMD Phenom microprocessors - Wikipedia
07:13:51 <DHess_US> And there was no model after the Phenom II X6 1100T which was supported.
07:14:59 <DHess_US> And comparing it to the 940 I had, my MB didn't support Turbo Core which was only in the later processors, because there was no BIOS update.
07:16:15 <DHess_US> Oh, that makes sense. The later Thuban chips which supported Torbo Core were hex core chips with two cores disabled
07:18:13 <Ampera> Because I recall scouting a new CPU for an old AM2+ board
07:18:30 <Ampera> and I recall, for whatever reason, not being able to put an X6 in it
07:19:44 <DHess_US> Not all AM2+ boards could use an x6, but mine was one of the first am2+ boards and it could.
07:19:54 <DHess_US> Jsut without Turbo Boost.
07:20:07 <DHess_US> But there was no limitation of the socket or RAM.
07:23:19 <Ampera> it's possible it was a TDP thing, as that board may have only had a 4 pin CPU connector
07:23:28 <Ampera> so maybe that's where I'm conflating this
07:23:40 <Ampera> in other news, I flashed the BIOS finally, so let's see if it works as I had configured it before
07:26:46 <DHess_US> Could be. The board I have supported 140 watt CPUs.
07:43:09 <Ampera> Interesting, this Broadcom SAS controller has an LSI op rom
07:43:42 <Ysjoelfir> gn8 all
07:43:54 * T3sl4 tucks Ysjoelfir under a duvet
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08:49:24 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/315713347368648705/849418767515648090/20210601_184540.jpg
09:10:45 <T3sl4> thats pretty metal https://i.redd.it/b7dpygxr7o271.jpg
09:20:07 <Ampera> I ended up taking the ATA card out of my PBX and sticking it in here. The machine I was using as a PBX had unending stability problems, so I may eventually retry it all here
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10:22:40 <DHess_US> T3sl4, found the problem with the multimeter.
10:24:29 <DHess_US> Input bias current of the CMOS input buffer is suppose to be 2 picoamps. I measure it at 214 nanoamps. Across the 560k input resistor, that makes 120 microvolts of input offset voltage which cannot be corrected.
10:24:58 <MrMobodies> Hello
10:25:04 <Ampera> Goodbye
10:25:08 <MrMobodies> oh
10:25:16 <MrMobodies> does this page appear okay at the top?
10:25:16 <MrMobodies> https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1202464
10:25:18 <EEVBot> [Title] -
10:25:33 <MrMobodies> I have tried many different browsers (think it might have been an extension of something)
10:26:18 <MrMobodies> but it strangely it doesn't work anymore on Palemoon
10:26:56 <DHess_US> Completely fails without javascript enabled.
10:28:21 <MrMobodies> let me check maybe
10:28:41 <MrMobodies> I'll check out later
10:28:42 <MrMobodies> anyway
10:28:46 <MrMobodies> Chrome 91
10:28:48 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/N4sKlYI.jpg
10:29:02 <MrMobodies> all extensions switched off
10:29:09 <DHess_US> It looked acceptable with javascript turned on.
10:29:13 <DHess_US> NOthing like that.
10:30:16 <Ampera> are you on Windows 7?
10:31:07 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/IIiQg9T.jpg
10:31:09 <MrMobodies> firefox 88
10:31:14 <DHess_US> T3sl4, could order a replacement LD120 from China for less than $10.
10:31:16 <MrMobodies> yes tell you what I'll do it from a windows 10
10:31:48 <T3sl4> DHess_US: there you go
10:32:30 <DHess_US> T3sl4, maybe. LIkelyhood of bad chip is high, but unlike most people I can test it.
10:33:26 <Ampera> Unlike most people, I am technically considered a brick
10:33:52 * T3sl4 smothers Ampera in mortar
10:33:54 <Ampera> I am a prime example of the phrase, "You can't brick a brick"
10:34:08 <Ampera> It is completely untrue, of course
10:34:12 <Ampera> all one needs to brick a brick is another brick
10:34:26 <T3sl4> yuo see ivan
10:34:30 <Ampera> but that is why I am a prime example of it
10:34:30 <T3sl4> brick wins all
10:36:04 <DHess_US> T3sl4, there may be an alternative. The design gives access to the measure/zero signal which controls the input multiplexor and the buffer output is exposed. So in theory I could add an external low leakage SPDT switch, and precision low input bias current buffer to replace the internal ones.
10:36:30 <T3sl4> just add a jfet follower ;)
10:36:50 <DHess_US> The input multiplexor is the part which is leaking.
10:36:55 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - RT @historicalpixes: Electricity warning sign from the 1970s https://t.co/BbHmi3ALUY
10:37:44 <DHess_US> It isn't an uncommon failure if the input is overloaded. The only protection is the external 560k series resistor and the clamp diodes inside the IC.
10:37:55 <T3sl4> yikes
10:38:03 <T3sl4> no bootstrap ESD
10:38:14 <DHess_US> I might add external low leakage diodes, but it is too late for that.
10:38:42 <DHess_US> And even if I bought a new one, the buffer still has horrible CMRR.
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10:39:33 <DHess_US> The version which fixed it lacks the internal CMOS buffer and you have to use your own external buffer with the internal multiplexor.
10:39:46 <DHess_US> So I could buy that one and add my own buffer.
10:40:03 <DHess_US> I think the pinouts are compatible.
10:41:49 <DHess_US> hehe, Siliconix didn't write any application notes for using the fixed version.
10:42:28 <DHess_US> They must have decided to discontinue it before it was released.
10:43:38 <DHess_US> Hmm, I have an idea ...
10:43:47 <DHess_US> I could use this bad one by adding an external buffer ...
10:46:43 <MrMobodies> Yes, not program but resource related
10:46:45 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/paFlFuL.jpg
10:47:13 <MrMobodies> looks like I'd have to clone that Windows 10 enterprise across and get some keys
10:47:19 <MrMobodies> now I got it the way I want
10:47:37 <MrMobodies> now when I see something like that i know it is going to that
10:48:54 <MrMobodies> I thought the browser was independent but no
10:53:46 <MrMobodies> yep works fine with the other one
10:53:47 <MrMobodies> Interesting... Ampera? how did you know?
10:53:55 <Ampera> know what
10:53:58 <Ampera> oh
10:54:01 <Ampera> that it was Windows 7?
10:54:04 <MrMobodies> yes
10:54:18 <Ampera> Windows 7 is no longer supported, unexpected things can happen
10:54:19 <MrMobodies> I have many of them windows 10 7 all over the place
10:54:28 <MrMobodies> I see so rather than cut off windows 7 users
10:54:34 <Ampera> it was the most immediate option
10:54:51 <MrMobodies> just let it break down in places
10:55:21 <Ampera> MrMobodies, did you see my newest server?
10:55:28 <MrMobodies> another 40 core?
10:55:35 <Ampera> no, this one 12
10:55:35 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/315713347368648705/849418767515648090/20210601_184540.jpg
10:56:23 <Ampera> dual X5650's in a supermicro board
10:56:38 <MrMobodies> that's the same as my G6
10:56:43 <MrMobodies> I like the cooling on the fans
10:57:01 <Ampera> dual SAS controllers, 8 and 16 lanes. Dual 10GbE, 20GB of RAM, and a 4 port Digium ATA
10:57:02 <MrMobodies> no non standard fittings and easy to replace
10:57:14 <Ampera> oh yeah it was cheap too
10:57:15 <MrMobodies> 10gbe locelly
10:57:18 <MrMobodies> 4 port Digium ATA?
10:57:24 <MrMobodies> oh onboard Sata controllers
10:57:26 <Ampera> yep, used to be in my PBX
10:57:29 <Ampera> no
10:57:33 <Ampera> Analog Telephone Adapter
10:58:08 <MrMobodies> aah handy
10:58:13 <Ampera> three FXS and one FSO
10:58:15 <MrMobodies> Nuvton controller?
10:58:17 <Ampera> (FXO
10:58:23 <Ampera> I can't type today
10:58:26 <MrMobodies> aaah
10:58:37 <Ampera> not sure what that is, I think it's the IPMI management thingy
10:59:27 <MrMobodies> just notice the handy work on the fans (tie wraps)
10:59:49 <Ampera> yep, way cheaper than a real cooler
10:59:58 <Ampera> the funniest thing
11:00:04 <Ampera> the PSU is the most expensive component in this machine
11:00:10 <MrMobodies> that's what I'd do if I couldn't get bolts fitted
11:00:20 <MrMobodies> but great idea
11:00:24 <MrMobodies> Seasonic
11:00:29 <MrMobodies> I don't hear them breaking down much
11:00:32 <Ampera> fully modular 750W
11:00:49 <Ampera> I needed something with dual CPU power connectors on it
11:00:49 <MrMobodies> Looks solid
11:01:19 <Ampera> I also (kinda) cable managed this box, so it's cleaner than most of my machines usually look
11:01:30 <Ampera> I had plenty of zip ties, so why not
11:02:33 <MrMobodies> https://pcper.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/ea50-15-inside.jpg
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11:02:55 <Ampera> yep, looks like a power supply
11:03:02 <MrMobodies> Thick heatsinks
11:03:18 <Ampera> what I like about it is that it switches voltages automatically
11:03:23 <MrMobodies> bet that don't give off much heat like the psu's 10 years ago or so
11:03:31 <Ampera> so I don't have to worry about it being on the 240v or 120v setting when I go test it
11:04:47 <MrMobodies> https://pcper.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/5ada-16-inside.jpg
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11:04:52 <MrMobodies> now that looks quality to me
11:05:23 <Ampera> While I am no great arbiter of component quality by looking at it, I buy Seasonic for its reputation primarily.
11:05:46 <MrMobodies> 0.35a fan
11:05:49 <Ampera> I've had a policy for the past couple years that, unless I absolutely can't, every power supply I buy is a Seasonic
11:06:16 <MrMobodies> My favourite one use to be Enermax until they started going down hill
11:06:51 <MrMobodies> I have quite a few Seasonic 12v 3a psu's that I also use and none of them failed
11:07:04 <MrMobodies> I can open them up and repair them
11:07:40 <MrMobodies> it seems the unheard of stuff (that I don't hear much of seems well built and have a good reputation)
11:08:16 <MrMobodies> https://pcper.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/2c43-18-inside.jpg
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11:08:20 <MrMobodies> components look well laid out
11:08:32 <Ampera> that's a nice looking coil at the top right
11:08:36 <MrMobodies> and not too much of white glue some use to go mad on
11:08:57 <MrMobodies> reminds me of something out of plumbing
11:09:02 <MrMobodies> with the copper pipes
11:09:31 <Ampera> electrolytics look to be nippon chemi-con, which I recall being a good brand
11:10:10 <MrMobodies> I see them in a lot of things United Chemicon
11:10:43 <MrMobodies> I do remember they had a bad time MCZ series in the past (Netgear used them)
11:11:01 <Ampera> something amusing, while looking through the hosts on my DHCP server, I found my watch
11:11:02 <MrMobodies> about 20 years ago
11:11:07 <MrMobodies> oh lovelly
11:11:12 <MrMobodies> pfsense?
11:11:25 <Ampera> it just reminds me that I am living in the future where my wristwatch connects to the internet
11:11:26 <MrMobodies> of a snmp monitor
11:11:31 <Ampera> pfsense
11:11:44 <MrMobodies> I remembered one someone was taking up a lot of rubbish
11:11:52 <MrMobodies> and they put their iphone and it went missing
11:12:02 <MrMobodies> the router stated the signal in %
11:12:09 <MrMobodies> so we brought back about 15 bags
11:12:12 <MrMobodies> and found it in one
11:12:21 <MrMobodies> the signal % went up
11:12:25 <MrMobodies> on te 15th bag
11:12:28 <MrMobodies> it was a building company
11:12:38 <MrMobodies> it has rubble in it
11:12:57 <MrMobodies> I think it was DIR 655 A1 I picked up down the bootsale
11:13:14 <MrMobodies> and seems to have 3 aerials in the back
11:13:26 <MrMobodies> got it for nothing it was raining and they were packing up
11:13:28 <MrMobodies> 2014
11:13:43 <MrMobodies> I don't think you are going to have any problems with that power supply
11:14:18 <MrMobodies> I brought some phone stands
11:14:22 <MrMobodies> with a built in charger
11:14:23 <Ampera> that's the idea
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11:15:30 <Ampera> I think I will make some noodles
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11:15:40 <MrMobodies> noodles with sauice?
11:16:00 <MrMobodies> I brought them because I was worried about tools scratching them
11:16:05 <MrMobodies> when they are on the table
11:17:52 <Ampera> these are indomie noodles
11:18:01 <Ampera> onion chicken flavor, one I haven't tried yet
11:18:34 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/UXq5irZ
11:18:35 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
11:18:42 <MrMobodies> onion flavour my favourite
11:19:15 <Ampera> oh those are nice
11:19:28 <Ampera> I had a dock like that with my OnePlus 8 Pro
11:19:33 <MrMobodies> I could open phones on them and work on them at the angle
11:19:33 <Ampera> I still have the dock, but not the phone
11:19:34 <MrMobodies> ooh
11:19:46 <Ampera> it was a dock that was supposed to charge the phone wirelessly at around 30W
11:20:16 <MrMobodies> https://cdn.pocket-lint.com/r/s/1200x630/assets/images/151750-phones-review-oneplus-8-pro-review-image1-pscaojoll0.jpg
11:20:18 <MrMobodies> nice phone
11:20:25 <MrMobodies> 30 watts that's a lot
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11:20:32 <MrMobodies> compared to these ones
11:20:39 <MrMobodies> the metals do 10w and the anker 15w
11:22:00 <Ampera> my phone now is the Note 20 Ultra 512GB
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11:24:26 <MrMobodies> three cameras
11:24:49 <Ampera> four actually
11:24:53 <Ampera> one was an IR camera they disabled
11:25:01 <MrMobodies> so does it use all four when taking photos?
11:25:03 <Ampera> er, if you mean the Oneplus 8 Pro
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11:25:08 <Ampera> idk which phone youmean
11:25:10 <MrMobodies> non the samsung
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11:25:32 <Ampera> yeah then the samsung has three, four if you count the camera inside the screen
11:25:33 <MrMobodies> https://www.notebookcheck.net/uploads/tx_nbc2/4_3_Teaser_Samsung_Galaxy_Note20_Ultra_5G_SM-N986B_MysticWhite.jpg
11:25:41 <MrMobodies> aah
11:26:01 <Ampera> One camera is a 108mpixel main shooter, another is a 12MP ultrawide camera, and the other is a 12MP telephoto camera with a 5x optical zoom
11:26:24 <MrMobodies> I see so they are for different shooting modes
11:26:50 <Ampera> pretty much
11:27:17 <Ampera> video is also nice, the camera can do 4k60 and 8k24
11:28:09 <MrMobodies> 12g of ram
11:28:19 <MrMobodies> that's ample
11:30:35 <MrMobodies> how much did that cost you
11:30:43 <Ampera> too much
11:30:45 <MrMobodies> in the UK the 512gb £1200
11:30:45 <Ampera> way way too much
11:30:55 <Ampera> I think I paid 1600USD
11:31:19 <Ampera> was one of the first things I bought with my money, and I can learnedly say, if I were to be given the same choice again, I would not have spent that money
11:31:54 <Ampera> much of what I was hoping for out of this phone has failed to materialize, besides a nicer screen
11:32:06 <MrMobodies> materialize?
11:32:12 <MrMobodies> it doesn't do the things you want?
11:32:15 <MrMobodies> or expect?
11:32:53 <Ampera> some of the features weren't as useful or even as functional as I wanted
11:33:09 <Ampera> MST on Samsung Pay doesn't work 90% of the time in 90% of places I've tried
11:33:19 <Ampera> the camera's zoom is nicer, but the camera app itself sucks
11:33:25 <MrMobodies> aah still in development
11:33:29 <Ampera> nope
11:33:33 <Ampera> shitty forever
11:33:34 <MrMobodies> aah I use Opencamera on my J5
11:33:41 <MrMobodies> that had a horrible camera program
11:33:41 <Ampera> no good
11:33:51 <Ampera> samsung doesn't expose all the cameras to apps, nor all the controls
11:33:55 <Ampera> so you have to use the default app
11:34:25 <MrMobodies> this J5 had a higher resolution camera and a screen than advertised
11:34:38 <MrMobodies> after I rooted it
11:34:46 <MrMobodies> and used the dpi tool
11:35:02 <MrMobodies> so it looks like Samsung put better parts in and lock them down sometimes
11:35:27 <MrMobodies> but I see to control the features you need the Samsung tooks
11:35:31 <MrMobodies> *tools
11:35:52 <MrMobodies> oh you have to use their own app
11:35:59 <Ampera> That's the other thing
11:36:04 <Ampera> bootloader is locked, and I can't root the phone
11:36:11 <Ampera> which I could have totally done on the 8 Pro
11:36:20 <Ampera> That being said, there are some advantages. I now have more storage and an SD card slot
11:36:27 <MrMobodies> now I wonder, is it deliberate or just unintentional when they do that?
11:36:38 <Ampera> the video recording kicks the 8 Pro's ass by a country mile
11:36:49 <MrMobodies> ohh good movie recordings
11:37:20 <Ampera> The 8 Pro had quite bad black crush, whereas the Samsung screen has perfect colors
11:37:47 <Ampera> while the Samsung screen can either do 120hz or 1440p (otherwise running at 1080p and 60hz respectively), it's a much brighter, and much more vivid screen
11:38:01 <Ampera> the form factor is nicer, the screen has less curve, so you get more usable area
11:38:27 <Ampera> I also now have working eSIM, whereas the 8 Pro did not (though the 8 Pro did have dual SIM)
11:38:28 <MrMobodies> I have noticed that with the Sony (also given to me) it makes tapping less responsive at the ends
11:38:35 <MrMobodies> with the curve
11:39:00 <Ampera> I don't really care about the curve. It looks nice, but I wouldn't miss it if it were gone
11:39:02 <MrMobodies> https://blog-cms.airalo.com/content/images/2020/11/esim.jpg
11:39:05 <MrMobodies> that's small
11:39:27 <Ampera> eSIMs are embedded SIM cards if you didn't know
11:39:28 <MrMobodies> I wouldn't want the curve as it seems to affect the touch/tap input on
11:39:33 <Ampera> so the SIM is inside the phone
11:39:40 <MrMobodies> soldered?
11:39:43 <Ampera> yep
11:39:50 <MrMobodies> oh
11:40:42 <Ampera> Since it's a Note, it also has a stylus, which is actually really useful for taking pictures, since you can use it as a remote for the camera
11:41:09 <Ampera> MrMobodies, I don't know if you ever saw this picture: https://amperaa.net/cdn/projects/20200920_211121alt.png
11:41:10 <EEVBot> I don't think so.
11:41:17 <Ampera> (big picture, might take a little while to download)
11:42:31 <MrMobodies> what is it
11:42:37 <MrMobodies> Stars in the sky at night?
11:42:57 <Ampera> It's a long exposure photo I took with the Note 20 Ultra
11:43:35 <MrMobodies> ooh the pen
11:43:40 <MrMobodies> you could write on something
11:43:48 <MrMobodies> and it'd use bluetooth or something
11:44:04 <Ampera> The pen was quite useful for taking that photo, since I could use it to make it take the picture without me having to touch the phone
11:44:37 <MrMobodies> that's handy
11:44:43 <MrMobodies> a camera in a pen
11:45:03 <MrMobodies> Things have moved on rapidly since the last decade
11:45:08 <Ampera> wha?
11:45:13 <Ampera> no, the pen just controls the camera
11:45:14 <MrMobodies> there was a pen called a Magicomm
11:45:18 <MrMobodies> oohh sorry
11:45:22 <Ampera> it has a button on it, and if you press the button it takes the picture
11:45:24 <Ampera> that being said...
11:45:25 <MrMobodies> Camera controls on the pen
11:45:40 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obTrhupnqYY
11:45:41 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: 2 Minute Spycam Pen Review
11:45:43 <MrMobodies> that always useful for camera contols
11:45:55 <Ampera> Ashens did a review of a pen with an actual camera in it over 12 years ago
11:47:13 <MrMobodies> I know of a pen that was used for insurance company called a Magicom (it didn't take pictures) but just copied the writing using a sensor
11:47:22 <MrMobodies> made by Maxwell I think
11:47:35 <MrMobodies> and they made something for it to work with a Blackberry phone
11:48:09 <MrMobodies> https://www.magicomm.co.uk/the-state-of-the-art-magicomm-g303-digital-pen-is-proudly-unveiled/
11:48:12 <EEVBot> [Title] - The 'state of the art' Magicomm G303 digital pen is proudly unveiled - Magicomm | Forms data capture solutions | Any forms - Anywhere - Any how
11:48:15 <MrMobodies> Oh they still make them
11:48:33 <MrMobodies> but it didn't do anything fancy just copied the writing and sent it off
11:48:45 <MrMobodies> through the phone to the insurance company
11:49:02 <Ampera> Anyways, it's late and I must be getting to bed.
11:49:04 <Ampera> Good night, MrMobodies
11:49:10 <MrMobodies> night
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12:43:13 <MrMobodies> That video with the spy pen I recognised that voice
12:43:34 <MrMobodies> from a recent video reviewing cheap camerad
12:43:35 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK3tBQraDA0
12:43:36 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: I bought 4 cameras from Wish and got what I deserved | Ashens
12:43:38 <MrMobodies> Aashens
12:44:09 <MrMobodies> I don't often remember names too good
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