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41:47 <electrohead> woah, I didn't know the teensy 4.1 had 10/100 ethernet
42:08 <rust_collector> 10% internet?
43:57 <electrohead> done deal. I'm using the teensy 4.1 for my external antenna switching box
44:06 <electrohead> nice amount of GPIO's
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48:53 <Nothing\> were there server problems last night, i think it was?
49:10 <electrohead> alright, I'm bitching already - PJRC is out of stock, of the 4.1, whereas I can find them on ebay
49:12 <Nothing\> it was either last night or the night before, I wasn't able to connect for some reason.
49:24 <electrohead> of course I found them on ebay for a higher price, ffs
49:31 * electrohead strangles Nothing\
49:42 <electrohead> sorry, was pissed for a moment, lmfao
49:43 <Nothing\> i hate finding nice things on ebay because they reject my CC/Debit card
49:49 * Nothing\ hugs electrohead <3
49:52 <electrohead> :P
49:55 * electrohead hugs Nothing\
49:56 <Nothing\> i know that just means you love me lol
50:00 <electrohead> lol
50:26 <Nothing\> my first choice for electronic components is aliexpress, which i wish i'd stop doing
50:40 <Nothing\> i'm pretty sure like 80% of the chips i got on there are counterfeit
51:04 <Nothing\> i mean, i don't think TI's logo is a picture of the united states with TI written on it
51:25 <electrohead> heh
51:32 <electrohead> I never bought anything on that site
51:33 <Nothing\> which is the logo on my 74hc595s
51:39 <Nothing\> chips are dirt cheap
51:52 <Nothing\> a lot of the jelly bean chips i got for like $1 or $2 for a pack of 10
52:20 <Nothing\> the only exception was a 7400 series ALU and a comparator in the same series
52:44 <Nothing\> i wound up paying like $20 for a pack of 5 or 10 of those, but i think that's cuz they're popular chips for breadboard computers
52:55 <Nothing\> even if the ALU is a bit derpy
53:25 <electrohead> I'd rather get a correct part
53:42 <Nothing\> well, for the ALU i think when the time comes, i'll just build my own
53:43 <electrohead> and not some wong hung lo part that was bodged from the start
53:46 <electrohead> lol
54:03 <electrohead> and, I said fuck it, and bought the teensy 4.1 with ethernet shield for $40 on ebay
54:05 <Nothing\> i think the counterfeit chips are more defects from the factory line
54:15 <Nothing\> shield for what?
54:19 <Nothing\> arduino?
54:43 <Nothing\> oh
54:45 <Nothing\> teensy 4.1
54:46 <rust_collector> teensy, he said?
54:54 <Nothing\> i've never heard of those, so it didn't click at first
55:17 <Nothing\> i just recently bought a single board computer with a 65c816 for the CPU
55:30 <Nothing\> which is a 16 bit version of the 6502 and the CPU they used in the SNES
55:45 <Nothing\> it also has a nifty 6502 emulation mode so i can use it as a 6502 if i want
56:14 <rust_collector> did they block the internet up there in canaderp? only justines approved pages get thru?
56:36 <Nothing\> rust_collector, i dunno, i've been having a lot of DNS issues lately for some reason
56:49 <Nothing\> and i'm on one of the biggest ISPs, Rogers
57:07 <Nothing\> they're like the canadian comcast, only not as negligent
57:16 <rust_collector> ok, I will try harder. Don't worry, we will shut them down sooner or later
57:33 <Nothing\> in that they're a cable monopoly, which i never understood how monopolistic cable companies get by those laws
58:02 <Nothing\> i mean, yeah there are other businesses, but they all just lease the main company's equipment, so there's basically no difference
58:29 <Nothing\> except the 3rd party companies will probably be more expensive, using the same equipment they'll have to make a profit somehow
58:45 <Nothing\> i see the same thing with DSL ISPs more frequently
59:00 <rust_collector> well, they would get a much better deal than you, so...
59:20 <Nothing\> yeah i was just thinking, they would probably get some sort of volume type deal like manufacturers do
59:34 <Nothing\> argh what are those laws called regarding monopolies
59:44 <Nothing\> it's pissing me off, i can't think of the name for the life of me
59:48 <electrohead> "rub my nipples" laws?
59:48 <Nothing\> non something
00:06 <electrohead> lol, south park reference :P
00:10 <electrohead> https://www.ebay.com/itm/224328599295?hash=item343b06c6ff:g:vEsAAOSwqPhgD2IO
00:12 <EEVBot> [Title] - 2-pack Waterproof IP68 Ethernet RJ45 jack to RJ45,Connector-High quality | eBay
00:14 <electrohead> I may get these
00:19 <Nothing\> lol
00:40 <Nothing\> when i type "monopoly non..." into google it just suggests "monopoly monocle"
00:54 <Nothing\> i hate it when google acts like a child with brain damage
01:38 <Nothing\> ANTITRUST!
01:44 <Nothing\> that's the word i was looking for!
01:48 <Nothing\> D'OH
02:13 <Nothing\> i kept thinking non-disclosure or something but that's not even related
02:45 <Nothing\> ugh it's bloody hot out today
02:54 <Nothing\> think i might get the AC up and running this weekend
03:01 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
03:13 <Nothing\> once my meds kick in and i don't feel like i'm on the verge of dying, or wanting to die
03:20 * Nothing\ tackle hugs Ampera
03:25 <Nothing\> heya buddy, how ya doing?
03:25 <Ampera> I guess that answers the next question for me...
03:30 <electrohead> lol
03:32 <Ampera> apathetic with rage
03:35 <Nothing\> heh i'm doing alright
03:46 <Nothing\> ah man i hate it when emotions get to that point Ampera
03:52 <Nothing\> any negative emotions
04:04 <Nothing\> actually, you ever cry from happiness? now there's a confusing experience
04:08 <Ampera> not sure if apathy is an emotion, or negative
04:22 <Nothing\> i'd say it's an emotional state
04:23 <Ampera> No I've never been happy enough for that
04:33 <Ampera> happiness is a rare emotion
04:35 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeah neither did i until i got engaged
04:43 <Nothing\> that was the first time i ever cried from happiness
04:57 <Nothing\> then the classic other two moments, wedding, birth of child
05:13 <Nothing\> actually the birth of my daughter i was more trying not to pass out than anything
06:27 <Nothing\> anyone who tells you childbirth is a beautiful process is full of shit and needs to have a long sit on the throne, cuz there's nothing remotely beautiful about watching the woman you love excrete all manner of fluid, blood, shit, piss, etc, from her nether regions as her vagina's torn open to her asshole
06:39 <Nothing\> at one point they literally just put a bucket under her to catch everything
07:17 <electrohead> sooo anywho
07:20 <electrohead> https://www.ebay.com/itm/121100493562?epid=1539993666&hash=item1c3226e2fa:g:~-IAAMXQkN1RyuqH
07:23 <EEVBot> [Title] - Power over Ethernet Passive PoE Adapter Injector + Splitter Kit 5v 12v 24v 48v 636391129084 | eBay
07:26 <Nothing\> and i was exaggerating a bit about the tearing. she woulda tore, but they cut her instead. From her vag to her ass.
07:27 <electrohead> anyone with PoE knowledge?
07:32 <Nothing\> but yeah, what electrohead said lol
07:41 <Nothing\> electrohead, sorry man, i barely know what it is
07:48 <Nothing\> i know what it stands for, that's it
07:49 <Nothing\> lol
07:50 <electrohead> lol
08:17 <Nothing\> lol whenever i see the acronym PoS i always think of piece of shit
08:21 <Nothing\> instead of point of sale
08:22 <electrohead> I'm more wondering if what I linked, I could use two of them, one to inject power, then use the other to remove the power from the ethernet line
08:27 <Ampera> electrohead, no, because even the people who made the various PoE standards don't even know all of them
09:04 <Nothing\> there's a PoE standard now?
09:20 <Ampera> lol
09:59 <Ampera> wikipedia has at least 4
10:01 <electrohead> lol
10:02 <Ampera> but there are more than that
10:07 <Nothing\> lol wow
10:14 <Ampera> PoE is nothing new though
10:19 <electrohead> actually, never mind, I figured out what I was after
10:47 <Nothing\> heh i remember back around 2003 or so, everyone was all excited about this new form of internet they were working on that would go through the power lines
11:07 <Nothing\> i'm just thinking how the hell that would work without your signal to noise ratio being through the roof
11:24 <Nothing\> being that close to the power lines, everything would capacitively couple
11:49 <electrohead> https://www.ebay.com/itm/124314140361?hash=item1cf1b33ec9:g:DNwAAOSwEOhfRztR
11:51 <Nothing\> hell, even just being in my room, i can measure about 500mvac of noise coming off of my body
11:51 <EEVBot> [Title] - Passive PoE Injector Splitter 5-52VDC for IP Camera, VoIP, Network Devices (W) | eBay
12:10 <Nothing\> anywhere from 300mvac to about 700mvac just from the walls
12:14 <electrohead> grabbing that, then going to tear it apart, verify what pins the power is on, then may have to modify either that, or the ethernet kit for the teensy
12:57 <Nothing\> heh or i remember when firewire was gonna be the next big thing
13:10 <Nothing\> i had a friend who was so excited about firewire
13:23 <electrohead> firewire is a security nightmare
13:31 <Nothing\> i think what they're doing with USB is good, though
13:43 <Nothing\> electrohead, i didn't consider security
13:55 <Nothing\> what sorts of security problems would be entailed with usb/firewire?
14:18 <Nothing\> i can only think of somehow gaining access to passwords on encrypted drives
14:24 <Nothing\> or the encrypted media itself
14:34 <Ampera> Firewire has DMA iirc
14:40 <Nothing\> wtf
14:44 <Nothing\> why?
14:58 <Nothing\> that should be optional
15:05 <Ampera> same reason thunderbolt has DMA
15:17 <Ampera> means you can do things that aren't CPU bound
15:38 <Ampera> one of the big disadvantages for truly high bandwidth stuff on USB is there's no DMA, so everything has to be pushed by the CPU
15:44 <Nothing\> yeah i'm a bit fuzzy on dma. I just know it's something to do with security.
15:51 <Ampera> direct memory access
15:55 <Nothing\> oh okay
15:58 <Ampera> meaning it can write and read the memory directly, without the CPU
16:02 <Nothing\> that makes a bit more sense now
16:06 <Nothing\> i'm thinking of dmca
16:11 <Ampera> which is a problem, since that's not easy to secure
16:13 <Ampera> what?
16:23 <Nothing\> DMA's on my list of things to learn about
16:32 <Ampera> congrats you already did :P
16:39 <Ampera> it's just a concept
16:42 <Nothing\> well, the implementation
17:00 <Nothing\> how they use de/multiplexers to have pages of memory
17:02 <Ampera> It's tricky, because it all ends up boiling down to two unique schools of thought in security
17:03 <Nothing\> stuff like that
17:11 <Ampera> if physical access == access, or if it does not
17:35 <Nothing\> it seems these days that there's little reason to access memory directly
17:41 <Ampera> memory management is its own unique concept
17:46 <Nothing\> like you could do more damage than good if you're not careful
17:49 <Ampera> and is about as complicated as you have time for
17:57 <Nothing\> like screwing with your registry, but worse
18:01 <Ampera> there is plenty of reason to access memory directly
18:12 <Ampera> registry is a windowsism, it's just a database
18:15 <Nothing\> although i guess any changes you make to RAM just get changed back on reboot, don't they.
18:20 <Ampera> no
18:26 <Nothing\> really
18:37 <Nothing\> i figured as long as you didn't screw with the ROM you were fine
18:39 <Ampera> if you have direct memory access, you can feasibly write to disk
18:42 <Ampera> or do whatever you want really
18:55 <Ampera> no clue if firewire/PCIe DMA schemes obey memory protection
18:57 <Nothing\> ah, so i guess that includes ROM
19:04 <Ampera> what ROM
19:11 <Nothing\> i dunno what ROM a computer would use these days other than BIOS
19:16 <Ampera> there really is no such thing as ROM on a modern computer
19:20 <Ampera> not even EFI/BIOS
19:25 <Nothing\> yeah they use that EFI thing now
19:38 <Nothing\> which i've gotta say, this is the first computer i had that's had EFI and i love it
19:47 <Ampera> It has its benefits and detriments.
19:54 <Ampera> It's particularly nice when you have an EFI shell on ROM
19:57 <Nothing\> speaking of IO
20:05 <Nothing\> i've gotta go make some output of my own
20:06 <Nothing\> brb
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25:36 <Ampera> food incoming
26:01 <Ampera> got a 50% off coupon from Uber Eats, so I bought a bunch of shit from Five Guys
26:57 <Nothing\> holy shit
27:11 <Nothing\> even dr fauci's starting to think now that COVID escaped that lab in Wuhan
27:38 <Nothing\> apparently in that lab, they were doing experiments with SARS-COV-1 to try and make it transmissible between humans
27:49 <Ampera> I heard supposedly he was told way early on that it might have, and decided to ignore it
27:56 <Nothing\> and other experiments they say could have produced sars-cov
27:57 <Nothing\> 2
28:09 <Nothing\> Ampera, a lot of people ignored it
28:19 <Nothing\> that's why i just figured it was another conspiracy theory
28:23 <Ampera> a lot of people were lambasted for believing it
28:29 <Nothing\> it would make sense though
28:52 <Nothing\> cuz if you remember, for the first month or so of the pandemic, china was imprisoning any doctors who so much as talked about it
29:06 <Nothing\> even if they diagnosed somebody with it, or treated somebody for it, they'd get thrown in prison
29:29 <Ampera> My hunch was that wet market + "traditional" medicine involving wild animals + time = pandemic
29:35 <Nothing\> the government was trying REALLY hard to keep it under the table. And you've gotta wonder what motives they'd have for it
29:48 <Nothing\> i mean, i can see patriotism and saving face being part of it, for sure.
29:55 <Nothing\> but not if they're going to lengths THAT extreme
30:29 <Nothing\> Ampera, i figured it just came from a bush meat market. like ebola.
31:05 <Nothing\> the current theory is that it jumped from bats to some intermediate animal, and then from that animal to us
31:22 <Ampera> honestly, I think the only takeaway I have is that people need to stop treating people they disagree with like garbage
31:42 <Ampera> cause it fuels situations where the wrong answer becomes the only right one to have
32:57 <Nothing\> brb i'm calling the cops on my neighbours
33:05 <Ampera> have fun
33:21 <Nothing\> i'm pretty sure they're running a puppy mill, and now they've got their dogs outside in 90+ degree weather and no water
33:34 <Nothing\> not even any dishes
40:35 <Nothing\> well that was a waste of time
40:42 <Nothing\> if that was a child they'd be here in a minute
40:51 <Nothing\> fucking hypocrites
41:03 <Nothing\> or one of their k-9 units
44:06 <Ampera> lol yeah right
44:18 <Ampera> cops don't care about kids
44:21 <Nothing\> i actually knew some kids who were on 911
44:46 <Nothing\> when i was growing up, their dad was a cop and their dog was a k-9 who died on duty so they did a segment about it.
45:18 <Nothing\> you probably don't even know what rescue 911 is, do you lol
45:27 <Ampera> I don't even watch TV
45:27 <Nothing\> i have to keep reminding myself how old you are
45:43 <Ampera> no i just don't watch TV
45:54 <Nothing\> lol yeah it was an old tv show in the 90's hosted by william shatner about emergencies where 911 saved the day
46:06 <Nothing\> it was basically a big advert for 911 when it was a relatively new thing
46:30 <Nothing\> it was a pretty good show, actually.
46:58 <Nothing\> of course being a kid, i always made fun of the segments. Like the wheelchair man who wheeled himself into a pool to save somebody who was drowning.
47:18 <Nothing\> i'd always make "wheely wheely wheely" sound effects when he was wheeling his way into the pool lol
48:15 <Nothing\> really though, what a lot of non-swimmers don't realize is you don't even need to swim to keep your head above water
48:29 <Ampera> dead bodies float good
48:39 <Nothing\> if you hold a lungfull of water your head stays above water just fine. you might sink to your ears but you can still breathe
49:06 <Nothing\> Ampera, well that's more down to the microbes that decompose the body creating pockets of gas within the abdominal cavity
49:17 <Nothing\> which is why dead whales explode, if you've never heard of or seen that
49:29 <Nothing\> they'll literally explode like a crate of TNT
49:30 <Ampera> fresh corpses still float
49:37 <Nothing\> do they?
49:45 <Ampera> if you've ever been to an underwater morgue
49:59 <Nothing\> i've heard of incidinces where people would encase a body in cement and the cement fills up with gas and floats to the surface
50:06 <Nothing\> i haven't
50:12 <Ampera> that's a shame
50:19 <Ampera> more fun than an aquarium
50:25 <Nothing\> there's a death museum in germany called the mutter museum i'd love to go see
50:47 <Ampera> of course it's in Germany
50:47 <Nothing\> they have a youtube channel but i don't watch the videos cuz they're only like 2 or 3 minutes long and i just don't see the point in watching such a short video
50:52 <Nothing\> lol yeah
50:53 <Ampera> fuck I hate germans
50:57 <Nothing\> hey man
51:00 <Ampera> absolute trash people
51:01 <Nothing\> i'm german
51:11 <Ampera> that explains a lot
51:14 <Nothing\> well, first generation canadian. But my Mom's German.
51:33 <Nothing\> yeah, my grandfather actually fought for germany in the war
51:42 <Nothing\> i still don't know if it was by choice or not though
51:53 <Ampera> I'm german too
52:01 <rust_collector> then I am also german, someone many generations ago was german
52:09 <Nothing\> i heard it wasn't, but at the same time, he volunteered for a kamikaze sub program that never got off the ground before the war ended
52:55 <Nothing\> it's weird though, my grandfather was born in czecheslovakia and my grandmother in yugoslavia but somehow i'm canadian
53:04 <Nothing\> and my grandfather's sister is hungarian
53:10 <Nothing\> or was
53:14 <rust_collector> what is weird about that?
53:25 <Nothing\> because somehow i'm german
53:34 <Nothing\> despite that mishmash
53:37 <rust_collector> no, you are canadian?
53:50 <Nothing\> well i'm canadian now, but i mean my ancestry is german
53:59 <Nothing\> although i'd bet dollars to donuts i've got slavic in my
54:14 <Nothing\> my grandfather looked slavic and both grandparents came from slavic countries
54:20 <Nothing\> so it would make a lot of sense
54:24 <Ampera> my fuckload of food is here
54:28 <Nothing\> nice
54:31 <Nothing\> what kinda food?
54:37 <Nothing\> enthic wise
54:37 <Ampera> edible food
54:45 <rust_collector> I just had 2 burgers.
54:55 <Nothing\> i just had 1 burger a couple of hours ago
54:59 <Ampera> ethnically gay
55:05 <Nothing\> a cheap little fast eddie's burger
55:13 <Nothing\> which is a local joint that sells cheap burgers
55:23 <Nothing\> back in the 90's they used to sell burgers for 30 cents
55:36 <Nothing\> or 69 cents for a cheese burger
55:49 <Nothing\> now it's like $3
55:52 <Nothing\> :/
56:11 <Nothing\> i was telling my mom in another 20 years it'll cost $30 for a happy meal
56:14 <Ampera> the burgers I bought were 10 bucks each
56:17 <Ampera> USD bucks too
56:24 <Nothing\> jeez
56:46 <Ampera> it's 40 bucks worth of food, but I had a 50% off coupon
57:10 <Nothing\> most expensive meal i ever had was at this restaurant called The Keg. I got a shrimp cocktail which was shrimp topped with garlic butter, wine sauce and several kinds of cheese
57:44 <Nothing\> and surf and turf for the main course, filet minon for the meat and a nice fat lobster tail drowning in wine sauce
58:01 <Nothing\> plus about 5 beers, which brought the bill up to like $110
58:06 <Nothing\> and a $20 tip
58:54 <Nothing\> but yeah, like over half of the bill was just beer lol
59:17 <Ampera> I spent over a hundred bucks easy just paying for four people at olive garden
59:45 <Nothing\> yeah dude, fast food and especially take out is so expensive
00:05 <Nothing\> when i was a kid you used to be able to get a meal at macdonald's for a family of 4 for like $10
00:35 <Nothing\> i remember a pack of dumaurier cigarettes were less than $5
00:40 <Nothing\> now they're $13 last i heard
01:16 <Nothing\> and actually, the government's going to increase taxes on luxury items like cigarettes and ecigs soon
01:30 <Nothing\> so the price is gonna go up again
01:46 <Nothing\> they're trying to make up for the deficits from covid
01:51 <Ampera> poor tax
02:05 <Nothing\> well at least they're taxing luxury items
02:15 <Nothing\> although apparently the price of all goods is going up soon
02:34 <Nothing\> even the price of gas is supposed to go up another 30 or 40 cents per liter
02:42 <Nothing\> which in american terms is... lemme math
03:22 <Ampera> 120-160 cents per gallon
03:49 <Nothing\> yeah
04:02 <Nothing\> i was gonna say, it's just over a dollar a gallon USD
04:12 <Nothing\> as it is, our gas is over $1.30 a liter
04:29 <Nothing\> which is like $4.25
04:36 <Nothing\> per gal
04:50 <Nothing\> i'm glad i don't drive
05:02 <Nothing\> but i remember telling myself that 15 years ago when gas prices started going up
05:07 <Ampera> our gas is in the low 3$/gal range
05:12 <Ampera> and people are already starting to get upset
05:22 <Nothing\> yeah for some reason cost of living is so much less for you guys
05:33 <Ampera> one of the main reasons that, as soon as I have the cash, I'm buying a diesel truck
05:35 <Nothing\> sans medical
05:50 <Ampera> cause you can stockpile diesel, where stockpiling gas is way more dangerous
05:51 <Nothing\> diesel engines are more efficient, too
05:54 <Nothing\> they last a lot longer
06:04 <Nothing\> by hundreds of thousands of miles
06:18 <Nothing\> cuz the diesel itself acts as a lubricant
06:24 <Nothing\> at least that's part of the reason
06:55 <Nothing\> doubly so if you get an asian car
07:05 <Ampera> I'd buy a diesel now, but they're way more expensive than gas
07:12 <Nothing\> ime, toyotas have great potential to surpass a million
07:31 <Nothing\> the fuel may be more expensive, but upkeep is cheaper in the long run
08:20 <Nothing\> and i dunno about the States, but here the difference in price between diesel and petrol is only a few cents
08:32 <Nothing\> it's really not a huge difference at all
09:00 <Ampera> Diesel tends to be a bit more, but you also tend to get more mileage from it
09:24 <Nothing\> i was wanting to mention mileage, but i wasn't completely sure about it
09:29 <Ampera> still doesn't change the problem that Diesel trucks are almost always heavy duty ones that cost twice as much as a medium duty
09:49 <Nothing\> well, you don't necessarily need to get a truck if you're looking at diesel
09:59 <Nothing\> i know toyota at least has diesel cars
10:06 <Nothing\> my old neighbour used to have one
10:40 <Nothing\> ugh, massive heartburn
10:49 <Nothing\> think i'll have a spoonful of sodium bicarb
12:27 <Nothing\> man i wish i knew why i've been so anhedonic lately
12:40 <Nothing\> it's so... blah
12:48 <Nothing\> empty and unfulfilling
13:20 <Ampera> I have regular (basically daily) heartburn
13:29 <Ampera> so I eat calcium carbonate tabs like they're tic tacs
13:44 <Nothing\> Ampera, try nexium. It's been hands down the best long term treatment i've found for it
14:04 <Nothing\> heh i just take a half a teaspon of baking soda
14:26 <Ampera> hell no
14:34 <Ampera> because I know the moment I take a PPI I'm on it for life
14:40 <Nothing\> it's great cuz i'll feel the pressure building for a few minutes, then i'll suddenly have a belch like i've been drinking cola and i can feel the co2 in it cuz it burns my nose and my eyes
14:41 <Ampera> and I'd rather be on calcium carbonate for life
14:57 <Nothing\> but the co2s from the bicarb reacting with the hydrochloride in my stomach
15:15 <Nothing\> so it's just so satisfying to belch out this cloud of reactant byproducts
15:15 <Ampera> Calcium carbonate is better for large amounts, as instead of sodium, you get a small amount of calcium as a nutrient
15:21 <Ampera> which is good for me, since I no longer drink milk
15:35 <Nothing\> yeah, with my high BP i probably should be eating literally grams of sodium at a time
15:49 <Nothing\> *shouldn't
16:07 <Nothing\> it's funny cuz my heart rate's inhumanly low
16:18 <Nothing\> my resting heart rate is only 45 beats per minute lol
16:40 <Nothing\> i think cuz i take so many meds that are like, they slow my body down
16:54 <Nothing\> or certain aspects of my physiology at the very least
17:33 <Nothing\> i got one of those O2 pulse/oximeters a while ago, it's a pretty neat little gadget
17:41 <Nothing\> was only like $5 on aliexpress
18:44 <Nothing\> actually there's a story i remember from this youtube hosted by a cardiologist where he was on an international flight and one of the passengers had some sort of heart problem, so him and another doctor who was onboad were working on the guy
19:37 <Nothing\> and the cardiologist actually had a little ECG gadget he was given to evaluate as a kickstarter. So he actually wound up using that to help diagnose the passenger's issue
19:56 <Nothing\> i thought that'd make for a great review if nothing else lol
20:24 <Ampera> mmm hot dog
20:33 <Nothing\> i've never beeen a huge fan of hot dogs
20:42 <Ampera> these are hebrew nationals
20:43 <Ampera> best hot dogs
20:57 <Ampera> the problem with hot dogs is there are good ones and there are shit ones
21:05 <Ampera> and there are a lot of nasty, greasy, disgusting hot dogs
21:15 <Nothing\> though i lived off of them for quite a while cuz you could get a pack of a dozen chicken dogs for $1, and a loaf of bread for $3 and you'd be set for 1/3 of your meals for the week
21:39 <Nothing\> i really don't care what's in food. So long as it tastes good and doesn't make me physically ill
21:44 <Ampera> only 40% plastic by weight
21:54 <Ampera> likewise
21:58 <Ampera> but I'm talking about quality
22:01 <Ampera> there's always nicer food
22:27 <Nothing\> i saw a youtube video the other day where a guy took some tuna from a can and looked at it under a microscope and there threads of plastic in it
22:41 <Nothing\> which to me, seems suspect since when you eat something, it doesn't go into your muscles
22:59 <Ampera> you're not a fish
23:11 <Nothing\> like, if i ate a chunk of copper, it's not like it'd go right into one of my biceps
23:14 <Ampera> but it could have easily been from manufacturing
23:17 <Ampera> if you ate a chunk of copper you'd die
23:36 <Ampera> copper isn't lead, but it's still poisonous if you eat enough of it
23:44 <Nothing\> i'm not sure elemental copper has the bioavailability to absorbed orally
23:46 <Ampera> it can be an issue if you have copper cookware
23:52 <Nothing\> but a copper salt would definitely do it
24:06 <Nothing\> that reminds me, apparently copper sulfate is a common additive to cat foods
24:08 <Ampera> that's the issue with cookware
24:12 <Nothing\> which i found absolutely apalling
24:18 <Ampera> how so
24:23 <Ampera> they eat it, they don't keel over
24:24 <Ampera> who cares
24:31 <Nothing\> since copper sulfate is a known toxin (actual toxin) and irritant
25:00 <Nothing\> there's a buncha other shit in cat food i would never put in my body, too
25:20 <Ampera> the dose makes the poison though
25:26 <Nothing\> it's incredible the sorta garbage that ends up as the gold standard for some sources of nutrients in pet foods
25:31 <Nothing\> that it does
25:44 <Nothing\> but chronic exposure can cause toxic effects as well
25:44 <Ampera> sure, rhubarb leaves are poisonous, but if you ate some you probably wouldn't notice it
25:53 <Nothing\> i didn't know that about rhubarb
26:05 <Ampera> you have to eat a lot of them, but rhubarb leaves can be poisonous
26:13 <Nothing\> are they in the nightshade family, too?
26:26 <Nothing\> like tomatos and eggplants
26:32 <Nothing\> datura, belladonna
26:41 <Ampera> no
26:44 <Nothing\> ah
27:05 <Nothing\> when i used drugs more recklessly, datura was the one drug i would never EVER touch
27:36 <Nothing\> that stuff scared the shit out of me just from the stories i heard. And it didn't sound enjoyable at all since half the time you don't even realize you're on anything.
28:04 <Nothing\> frankly you'd be lucky if you came out of it and weren't in a psych ward
28:14 <Nothing\> and of course it lasts 2-3 days
28:33 <Nothing\> believe it or not, nutmeg actually CAN get you high
29:13 <Nothing\> there's a drug in it called myristicin that's similar to ecstasy or something like that. But i always thought that was kinda funny.
29:47 <Nothing\> cuz that's like something you tell a newb. Smoke some nutmeg and you'll get high. Then low and behold there's actually some truth to the myth.
31:06 <Nothing\> but i mean, you have to eat like 3 or 4 table spoons of fresh nutmeg. And of course the stuff lasts a good 3 days or so and isn't enjoyable at all. But boys will be boys.
31:47 <T3sl4> oh hey Nothing\
31:49 <T3sl4> *hugs*
32:10 <Nothing\> heya T3sl4
32:16 * Nothing\ tackle hugs T3sl4 
32:21 <Nothing\> how you been, buddy?
32:34 <T3sl4> good
32:47 <Nothing\> that's good to hear
33:28 <Nothing\> i've been really bored and anhedonic lately for reasons that are behyond me. But otherwise I've been good.
33:48 <Nothing\> anhedonic meaning i lack the ability to derive pleasure from activities
34:15 <T3sl4> that sucks
34:20 <T3sl4> but at least you're here :)
34:59 <Nothing\> yeah it's a real shitty state to be in. Usually it's combined with depression and/or anxiety but thankfully this time it's just anhedonia on its own. Nothing else. So I'm at least grateful for that.
35:06 <Nothing\> yeah exactly
35:35 <Nothing\> and i'm not completely unable to derive pleasure from things. It's just a lot harder than it would normally be.
37:10 <Nothing\> usually i take these sorts of moods as an opportunity to study because i figure if I'm already bored, I might as well make good use of the time. And if nothing's gonna entertain me, why not do things that are productive, but not usually entertaining. It's not like I'm missing out on anything.
37:57 <Nothing\> Actually for some reason i've been really fixated on the question of why the fish/scales of a fish turn a goldish brown color when it dies or rots
38:25 <Nothing\> or what metal it is in fish scales that makes them silvery
38:32 <Nothing\> metal(s)
40:00 <Nothing\> i saw this video the other day of a fish that was literally fucked up, it had something wrong with it where it had a hole going clean through its head where its eyes would be and you could see right through its head. And of course the skin all around it was that goldish brown color i mentioned. So I've been wondering about it since then.
41:22 <Nothing\> it's sad cuz the whole thing about fish living with holes in their heads didn't surprise or interest me cuz when i was a child we had gold fish who all cannabilized eachother until all that was left was literally half a goldfish with all of its entrails hanging out the back. So I already knew fish could survive severe injuries.
44:10 * Nothing\ twiddles his thumbs
44:25 * Ampera twiddles Nothing\'s thumbs
44:42 <Nothing\> nested thumb twiddling
44:57 <Nothing\> or recursive?
45:20 <Nothing\> is there any difference between something nested and something recursive?
47:04 <Ampera> Nested is a set within itself, recursive is a seat which repeats
47:10 <Ampera> *seat -> set
47:30 <Ampera> er, set within a set
47:40 <Nothing\> ah i gotcha
48:00 <Nothing\> so nesting can be recursive, but only if it's self-referential
48:40 * T3sl4 twiddles Ampera
49:09 <T3sl4> Nothing\: no metals, it's layers of keratin, pigments or whatever with shiny optical effects
49:14 <Nothing\> in prison, pedos were called diddlers
49:28 <Nothing\> T3sl4, oh like a thin layer film sorta deal?
49:30 <T3sl4> likely brown is some combination of oxidation and bacterial decomposition
49:44 <Nothing\> yeah i was thinking oxidation
49:44 <T3sl4> i'd diddle Ampera too, but he's over 18 :(
49:59 <T3sl4> also, was that that picture of a sunfish?
50:06 <Nothing\> i think the american prison term for pedos better
50:09 <Nothing\> chomo
50:15 <Nothing\> it just rolls off the tongue better
50:27 <Nothing\> short of child molester
52:19 <Nothing\> here we go
52:20 <Nothing\> https://i.ibb.co/P4gBy6Z/20210605-144655.jpg
52:23 <Nothing\> my pride and joy
52:57 <Nothing\> you know, i could conceivably make an nes or SNES out of this if I had a derelict console for ROM parts
53:09 <Nothing\> and the picture processing unit
04:42 <Nothing\> how come some interfaces have multiple ground pins?
05:04 <Nothing\> Like, I've heard some versions of IDE had a ground pin every other pin on the connector
08:24 <Lemon> hey T3sl4, I decided to get some kits of components that I dont have (I have already resistors, electrolytic caps (under 50v, enough for what I do), ceramic caps, transistors, trimpots and a few others
08:33 <Lemon> I wanted to ask you, are those https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001213159293.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.70883c00BsdJTO&mp=1 used a lot ?
08:34 <EEVBot> [Title] - 460PCS/BOX 63V 100V 24 Value Correction capacitor package kit Polypropylene Safety Plastic Film Capacitor Kit 105 823 Set Free|Capacitors| - AliExpress
08:44 <Nothing\> Lemon, nice
09:11 <Nothing\> it's always such a pain trying to get every value in even just E3 values from 0 to 1M
09:39 <Lemon> well I once bought a big pack of yageo/vishay and other brand names, from 0 to 10M
09:46 <Lemon> theres like 150+ different values
09:52 <Ampera> Роял
10:19 <Lemon> I know those chinese packs aint good quality
10:25 * Ampera kisses Lemon 
10:26 <Lemon> but it will be for prototyping, learning purposes etc
10:28 <Ampera> how you doing
10:30 <Nothing\> i never even tried with caps or inductors, caps i got a basic kit from elegoo when i started. Otherwise I just buy them as I need values. Or mix and match what I have. and for inductors, I just look for the highest value possible with the lowest resistance.
10:40 <Lemon> hello ampy im ok and you ? :>
10:41 <T3sl4> seems alright Lemon
10:58 <Lemon> yeah but what I wanted to know
11:01 <Ampera> ungodly tired
11:03 <Lemon> are those type of caps used a lot ?
11:08 <Nothing\> Lemon, yeah i got an actual pack of E3 value resistors from like 10ohm to 1Mohm which has served me nicely
11:17 <Lemon> I know ceramic/lytics are vastly used
11:18 <T3sl4> sure why not?
11:25 <Lemon> idk thats why im asking :>
11:33 <Lemon> I dont want to buy kits I wont or rarely use
11:39 <T3sl4> ceramic chips are used because they're small and SMT
11:41 <Nothing\> but other values i use a lot like 100, 220, 470, 1k and 10k i had to buy extra, larger packs since 20 wasn't enough resistors
11:55 <Nothing\> so i bought packs of 100 metal film ones in those values
12:17 <Nothing\> except 220 looks almost identical to 10k in metal film thanks to my partial colorblindness
12:37 <Lemon> yeah im not reading them either
12:42 <Lemon> fuck that
13:13 <Nothing\> i know one of these days i'm gonna end up putting a 220 ohm resistor on the base of a BJT connected to a 9v rail
13:42 <Nothing\> i sorta did that once. I'd been working with MOSFETs all night so I was into the habit of just using pull resistors
14:17 <Nothing\> then i had to make something with BJTs, had a brain fart and forgot to put any current limiting resistors on the bases at 9v and fried em all lol
14:31 <Nothing\> that was the only real time i've ever let out the magic smoke
14:53 <Nothing\> except when i first got my hands on some 555s i did something to screw up 3 of them
15:04 <Kuschelpony> Nothing: about the ground pins
15:08 <Nothing\> mis-wiring monostable circuits somehow
15:13 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, go on
15:15 <Kuschelpony> think about it as return lines
15:24 <Nothing\> oh okay
15:29 <Nothing\> so it provides more bandwidth?
15:33 <Kuschelpony> and a single "gound" works only well for very slow signals
15:46 <Kuschelpony> not directly more bandwith but crosstalk issues
16:06 <Kuschelpony> if you have some fast switching lines, you need minimum inductivity
16:41 <Kuschelpony> every signla line needs its most closed return loine as a pair, where the curent from one line can find its way back in closest neighbourhood
17:55 <Nothing\> So what's the advantage over using ground rails over just say, a gap with the same dimensions as a ground pin?
18:15 <Nothing\> a sort of sacrificial coupling
18:22 <Nothing\> i uess
18:33 <Kuschelpony> hmm, cant exactly understand what you mean
19:19 <Nothing\> yeah, between talking to you and looking for my ecig, i lost my train of thoughts lol
19:24 <Kuschelpony> think that way: the best thing is a ground plane, where the current that flows through a signal line can fit its exact mirror image in the ground plane
19:30 <Nothing\> i really wish i had a lanyard for this damn thing
19:31 <Kuschelpony> and "mirror" is physically real
19:59 <Nothing\> huh now that's an interesting concept
20:01 <Kuschelpony> ok, the very best thing is a differential pair, but here we are talking about the best way of single ended signals
20:10 <Kuschelpony> yep
20:27 <Nothing\> now that's one thing i've been sorta studying lately, or a while back anyways was differential pairs
20:37 <Kuschelpony> and any slit cross the groundplane that interrupts the current builds an antenna
20:43 <Nothing\> i was learning about motorola's ECL Logic chips. You ever hear of those?
20:54 <Nothing\> where they used differential pairs for logic gates
21:10 <Kuschelpony> yep, with diff pairs, and espicalyl if they are twisted, both currents are perfectly mated to each other and cancel out
21:17 <Kuschelpony> sure i know them
21:43 <Nothing\> does the twisting mitigate inductive coupling?
22:06 <Nothing\> i always thought to do that you had to loop the wire back on itself, and THEN twist
22:38 <Nothing\> i'm just thinking twisted pairs in a phone system
22:38 <Kuschelpony> what was used for example on the PATA cables was a frankenstein thing, where they took the benefits of wire pairs with mated currents, to the concept of signle ended lines (because they could not add a groundplane under the cable)
22:46 <Kuschelpony> hmm
22:57 <Kuschelpony> twisting minimizes inductivity of the wire pair at all
23:06 <Nothing\> ahh i see
23:18 <Kuschelpony> even if there would be nothing around where it could couple to,m it still does less "brakling" of the fast waves
23:19 * Ampera sneezes a few times
23:27 <Nothing\> yeah i just got into the habit of twisting any power cords when i was playing with inductive circuits
23:34 <Kuschelpony> hihi
23:42 <Nothing\> like trying to get an RLC to ring. Which i've yet to do :/
23:56 <Kuschelpony> i do it all the time to twist wire pairs, it never hurts (if you pick the right wires)
24:00 <Nothing\> cuz my 100mh inductors also have like 400 ohms of resistance :/
24:16 <Kuschelpony> first of all leave the R out and get as much L and C as realistic
24:20 * T3sl4 hides his copper chloride
25:12 <T3sl4> Nothing\: you need C < L / R^2
25:20 <Kuschelpony> my slowest LC circuit i made of curiousity was from an microwave oven transformer secondary and a small bank of bipolar elkos
25:34 <Kuschelpony> think about a resonance at around 150mHz
26:02 <Kuschelpony> i very miss schooldays
26:05 <Nothing\> copper sulphate's a cool copper salt
26:18 <Nothing\> one of the reasons i wanted to get into chemistry was so i could make copper sulphate
26:19 <Kuschelpony> espically a nice deep blue one
26:39 <Nothing\> i've also always wanted to see cerenkov radiation with my own eyes
26:43 <Nothing\> that is, not on video
27:04 <Nothing\> just the deep glow of a reactor underwater. No criticality accidents.
27:11 <Kuschelpony> mmh, thats a thing i prefer to stay very far away...
27:30 <Nothing\> yeah i watched a video about a criticality accident the other day
27:47 <Nothing\> normally i'm fine with medical stuff, but this guy got so messed up, i couldn't finish the video.
28:09 <Kuschelpony> ouch, well i do know lots of these things in text form and prefer to not watch videos...
28:25 <T3sl4> if it was the latest from the uh
28:28 <Nothing\> skin falling off, intestines sloughing off, lung tissue sloughing off. Basically no hair or skin left anywhere on his body
28:28 <T3sl4> what's his name
28:38 <Nothing\> and those were the less nasty effects
28:52 <Nothing\> yeah it was a new video
28:56 <T3sl4> oh that was probably the incident in japan
28:58 <Nothing\> i forget the channel
29:00 <Nothing\> yup
29:05 <Nothing\> japan, 98 i believe
29:16 <Kuschelpony> btw: if you want to know the name of someone who got very very lucky in an radiation accident, Anatoli Bugovski
29:17 <Nothing\> the video had a title like "the most radioactive man alive"
29:19 <T3sl4> repro facility, too much stuff in a tank
29:25 <Nothing\> which is a bit of a misnomer but whatever
29:44 <Nothing\> yeah they mixed the uranyl hexafluoride in buckets
29:54 <Nothing\> then just dumped it into a tank
30:30 <Nothing\> cuz they were behind schedule and cutting corners to increase productivity so they could meet their next shipment date
30:42 <Kuschelpony> if i remember right,m the japanese accidents of the 2000s were that they used homestore buckets instead of the designed measuring cups
30:51 <Nothing\> which always seems to be the case with industrial/chemical accidents
31:06 <Kuschelpony> but the tank critically was an american 1960s thing
31:21 <Kuschelpony> but to be honest, i prefer electronic engineering rather than nuclear disasters
31:27 <Nothing\> i watch this one channel that goes over various industrial accidents from the United States Chemical Safety Board. It's really good if you like that sorta stuff.
32:05 <Nothing\> and it's the actual USCSB's channel. So it's not exaggerated or turned into masturbatory material for gore-philes
32:15 <Nothing\> you know the sorts of channels i mean
32:54 <Kuschelpony> i dont know... perhaps because i never watch any videos at all
32:54 <Nothing\> where they focus more on the gore and horror and have creepy music and stupid shit like that
33:09 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, on youtube that's mostly for the best
33:21 <Nothing\> but there are some genuinely great educational channels on youtube
33:29 <Kuschelpony> i have already seen lots of (luckily non-gory) accidents at university in person, sometimes repairing the equipment later...
33:51 <Nothing\> man i've always regretted not getting into academia
33:59 <Nothing\> are you student or faculty?
34:09 <Kuschelpony> nothing, my brain generally cant "digest" videos where i am (hope thats translated rtight) "force fed" with something in external set speed
34:24 <Kuschelpony> im related to faculty, never went into academia itself
35:03 <Nothing\> Kuschelpony, ah i know exactly what you mean. I have that problem when it comes to reading vs watching something. I prefer to read stuff because then i can take the information in at my own pace and stop to take notes or something if need be
35:18 <Kuschelpony> absolutely right
35:25 <Nothing\> even though i seem to learn better in a visual style. Being shown first, then trying it myself.
36:04 <Kuschelpony> im even that special, that i do not read sequential, but 2digest" whole pages in a kind of paralell input where my brain builds networks between drawings and text passages
36:16 <Kuschelpony> mmh, i cant learn at all...
36:37 <Kuschelpony> i can only "wick up" the theory and the functional description
36:51 <Nothing\> yeah i have ADD (not ADHD) so reading anything is almost physically painful for me
37:05 <Kuschelpony> then i just have the feeling how i should do it and with the first clumsy practical experience the mental model improves
37:15 <Kuschelpony> oh that must be shit
37:20 <Nothing\> i have to constantly bring my attention back to what i'm doing, dozens of times over the course of less than an hour
37:23 <Kuschelpony> i have Aspergers, different bucket of shit
37:26 <Nothing\> literally every minute or two
38:08 <Nothing\> ah, i always wondered if i was on the spectrum, but i yearn for human interaction too much, i think.
38:24 <Kuschelpony> thats usual but not absolutely
38:39 <Nothing\> cuz i live a rather reclusive life. So there are times where I wish I had a clique of friends i was close with, or a soulmate, or something. Ya know?
39:08 <Kuschelpony> i do have a strong desire for human interaction, just need it in a specific calm setting and without the pressure to process mimic and gestic interaction or voice subleties
39:09 <Nothing\> but tbh i enjoy reclusiveness more than not
39:22 <Kuschelpony> mmh
39:37 <Nothing\> but there are still times where i wish i had a social life
39:47 <Kuschelpony> i do like my house in a silent village with forests just right around to relax in nature
39:53 <Nothing\> but if i think about it realistically, i know i'd never be able to keep up any sort of social life.
40:01 <Kuschelpony> but i also want to go out for some action
40:03 <Nothing\> or gf/so
40:16 <Nothing\> yeah like i miss the social interactions
40:28 <Nothing\> like ragging on a shitting movie together with someone
40:37 <Kuschelpony> mmh, i tried but never understood females... perhaps im closer to gay, just can say i go much better with most males
40:52 <Nothing\> maybe you're bi?
40:58 <Kuschelpony> hih, no for me its more like a going swimming or on a mountain tour
41:08 <Nothing\> bi with tendencies towards the homosexual end of the spectrum
41:17 <Kuschelpony> and well, there is also the very specific kinky nice of beeing a showpony
41:27 <Nothing\> or just uncertainty because you've never really explored that end of the spectrum before in terms of actions.
41:35 <Kuschelpony> mybe noit bi but more like queer
41:44 <Nothing\> right
41:45 <Kuschelpony> i often call me a colorful butterfly
42:38 <Nothing\> i'd say you probably need to experiment in that regard. But I'd imagine it'd be hard to find somebody to safely experiment with that doesn't just want to take advantage of what's essentially a virgin. I mean, you know how guys are when it comes to virgins.
43:14 <Kuschelpony> the past some 10 years my interest about electronics has considerably dropped, but i still do it for doing useful stuff with my brain capacity and to DIY some individual stuff
43:31 <Nothing\> At least in the west. A virgin is considered like, the holy grail of women to sleep with. So I'd imagine the same logic applies to gay men "initiating" men who are curious
43:41 <Kuschelpony> uhm... just to say... im perhaps already 25 years past of that what you worry here...
44:04 <Nothing\> well then. That saves us some trouble lol.
44:54 <Nothing\> hrm i just got this urge to play this spiderman game i used to have on the megadrive/genesis
45:08 <Kuschelpony> but its right, those upto about 30 in age are very desired, the older ones either are expected to have married or they are dropped as uninteresting
45:28 <Nothing\> spiderman vs the kingpin
45:45 <Kuschelpony> oh interesting
45:57 <Nothing\> heh by the time i was 30 i'd already been married, had a kid and divorced
46:05 <Nothing\> actually, i did all of that before i was even 25
46:13 <Kuschelpony> i do not much more than minesweeper in between, but had in the past enjoyed the classic jump n run games as well
46:30 <Nothing\> if you like minesweeper, you should check out globesweeper
46:35 <Kuschelpony> well im almost 44 and dedicated to be single
46:36 <Nothing\> it's a 3d version of minesweeper
46:44 <Nothing\> that is, the boards are 3d
46:54 <Kuschelpony> oh ok
47:16 <Nothing\> you can have a sphere with hex/pentagonal pieces, one with triangular pieces and your classic block with squares
47:31 <Nothing\> and you can have absolutely massive boards
47:40 <Nothing\> like, ones that can take hours to complete
47:48 <Nothing\> which really sucks when you make a little mistake lol
48:17 <Nothing\> it's funny how many people have played mine sweeper, but have no idea how to actually play it
48:26 <Nothing\> simply because it came with windows
48:52 <Nothing\> they need to bring back the classics, jezz ball, ski free, hover
48:55 <Kuschelpony> hmm, no idea about windows...
48:59 <Nothing\> ESPECIALLY HOVER
49:11 <Nothing\> always been a linux man?
49:20 <Kuschelpony> i usually solve the 30*16 boqard with 99 mines in around 2:20
49:27 <Nothing\> nice
49:31 <Nothing\> what is that? medium?
49:33 <Nothing\> or custom?
49:42 <Nothing\> no, medium has 90 mines doesn't it
49:49 <Nothing\> i'm not sure of the dimensions
49:52 <Kuschelpony> started with Win3.11 extreme tuning :) diud use a while NT and then decided to not start with XP and instead set up Ubuntu
50:06 <Kuschelpony> thats the default "maxi" in lunux minesweeper
50:15 <Nothing\> ah i see
50:38 <Nothing\> linux has never served my gaming needs well enough to be good as a primary OS
51:29 <Nothing\> but for a time, all of my electronics had been seized by police and i wasn't allowed to use any. So I found having a Pi 3 was perfect to fill that niche
51:48 <Nothing\> (smacked my brother's ex on the ass while i was drunk and she charged my with sexual assault"
51:48 <Kuschelpony> im not into gaming, but have a strong preference for small and efficient software that just runs well, and espically absolutely no licensing and remote activating shit
51:52 <Nothing\> ")
52:04 <Kuschelpony> oh ok
52:11 <Kuschelpony> i dont even have a secondary OS...
52:23 <Nothing\> so the cops raided my place and stole all of my electronics looking for messages between us and any other evidence of sexual deviance
52:54 <Nothing\> so i wound up using raspbian for a couple of years while i dealt with that
53:18 <Nothing\> and man, pi 3bs suck so bad at video
53:35 <Nothing\> i couldn't even stream youtube from it. but thankfully my tv could stream youtube.
54:18 <Nothing\> but like, i've always tried linux now and then over the years. Just to see what's changed or to give it a try and various other reasons
54:37 <Nothing\> since the days thta redhat 7 was released
54:50 <Nothing\> which before getting my pi, had been the last time i used linux lol
55:20 <Kuschelpony> i just arted into Ubuntu, and when some issues came with that changed to Xubuntu
55:32 <Kuschelpony> that just runs
55:39 <Kuschelpony> also here on that laptop right now
55:54 <Lemon> should I get a kit of tantalum caps ?
55:57 <Nothing\> the pi wasn't a total waste though. There's an amazing 8051/52 simulator for linux that I wish so much I could use on windows. Or they had a Windows port.
56:04 <Lemon> or I can use another type instead of those
56:13 <Nothing\> Every so often I boot up my pi just for the sake of playing with that
56:29 <Nothing\> i tried ubuntu but the IDE... what's it called...
56:32 <Nothing\> unity
56:36 <Nothing\> it just felt so horrible
56:42 <Nothing\> like something steve jobs would make
56:48 <Kuschelpony> yeah... that was the second reaon i stopped Ubuntu
56:49 <rust_collector> the ide, eh?
56:54 <Nothing\> or rather, something that a steve jobs fanboy would make
56:59 <Kuschelpony> the Deskopt
57:06 <Nothing\> rust_collector, whatever you call them
57:11 <rust_collector> mmhmm
57:17 <Nothing\> i mean, windows 3.1 was an ide for dos
57:29 <Kuschelpony> as said, try XUbuntu, its more of a clean and minimalistic appoach
57:33 <Kuschelpony> like Win NT
58:16 <Kuschelpony> best thing is, in Win3.1 and 3.11 you could replace the desktop with entirely different programs, like i used the Silverwolf Desktop
58:21 <Nothing\> right now the only reason i'd get linux is so i can code c++ cuz for some reason none of my IDEs can find my compiler
58:29 <Nothing\> which was meng or mingw or something
58:33 <Nothing\> i forget it's been years
58:45 <rust_collector> i used blackbox on windows 7. that was interesting, and confusing
59:01 <Nothing\> codeblocks couldn't find any damn compiler i installed
59:06 <Nothing\> rust_collector, i see the mistake i made now
59:11 <Nothing\> i said ide when i meant gui
59:12 <rust_collector> hah
59:19 <Nothing\> brain fart lol
59:25 * electrohead hands vim to Nothing\ as an IDE
59:41 <Nothing\> lol i never did learn VIM or EMACS
59:58 <Nothing\> notepad++ was always good enough for me on windows
59:58 <rust_collector> regualt vi is good anough
00:12 <electrohead> vim is nice, it's minimal, and efficient
00:20 <electrohead> regular vi? nah, lol
00:25 <Nothing\> or on raspbian, i forget what i used but it was a nice gui based text editor
00:28 <electrohead> if I have to use it, then I use it
00:44 <electrohead> for a GUI based editor, I purchased a license for sublime
00:49 <electrohead> it's really good
00:55 <rust_collector> ok, use the busybox vi? or ed? alll the options
01:04 <Nothing\> oh hey
01:19 <Nothing\> do you guys know of a good engineering and/or graphing calculator for windows?
01:26 <Nothing\> engineering/scientific
01:29 <rust_collector> no
01:34 <Nothing\> i know, right?
01:51 <Nothing\> i mean, it comes with a nice graphing calculator now that can give desmos a run for its money
02:24 <Nothing\> but i want something with the functionality of an actual hand held calculator
02:32 <Nothing\> like a TI Nspire
03:07 <electrohead> https://github.com/xxczaki/awesome-calculators#windows
03:09 <EEVBot> [Title] - GitHub - xxczaki/awesome-calculators: 😎 A curated list of resources related to calculators!
03:14 <Nothing\> ooh nice
03:15 <Nothing\> thanks
03:25 <rust_collector> I don't really get the idea of making your computer do all the things. just get a calculator, to calculate?
03:35 <Nothing\> i've always found github's layout to be a bit confusing so i tend to ignore it if i can
03:44 <electrohead> it's not hard at all :p
04:07 <Nothing\> it's just weird that to download a zip of all of the contents you have to click the button that says "download code" or something like that
04:17 <Nothing\> no, it's pretty straight forward once you get used to it
05:00 <Nothing\> but at first it confused me cuz i felt like it was trying to get me to download the source code for whatever it was
05:03 <rust_collector> well, you can be weird, and open each file, and copy and paste...
05:05 <electrohead> it's weird you have to click on download, to download something?
05:08 <electrohead> lol..
05:22 <Nothing\> not so much download, just the "code" part threw my off
05:23 <electrohead> or better yet, just clone the repo from CLI
05:34 <Nothing\> itoris
05:39 <electrohead> lol
05:46 <Nothing\> come on, you know you thought it at one point
05:55 <electrohead> there's a windows version of the git utilities, btw
06:20 <Nothing\> it's like that guy on stardew valley, clint
06:23 <electrohead> https://git-scm.com/download/win
06:24 <EEVBot> [Title] - Git - Downloading Package
06:31 <electrohead> that's for you windows fan boys :p
06:32 <Nothing\> i always do the same thing to his name. If you ever played that game.
06:38 <Nothing\> which you probably haven't
06:38 <electrohead> nah, I haven't
06:43 <Nothing\> heh, called it
06:50 <Nothing\> i feel like a minority here
07:10 <Nothing\> next i'll find out i'm the only one here who owns a nintendo switch
07:31 <electrohead> I still want to get a switch, just to hack
07:39 <electrohead> I have the original Wii
07:41 <Nothing\> dude, word of advice
07:45 <Nothing\> if you get a switch
07:53 <Nothing\> GET BREATH OF WILD
07:55 <Nothing\> GET IT
08:17 <Nothing\> seriously, it's hands down the best game i've ever played in my entire life. And I don't say that lightly at all.
08:21 <electrohead> I've heard of that, not my cup of tea
08:35 <Nothing\> that's too bad
08:48 <Nothing\> mario's pretty awesome too
08:54 <Nothing\> mario odyssey
09:20 <Nothing\> although they have a bunch of 2d/2.5d/3d mario games they've made since then, too
09:37 <Nothing\> made or rereleased from the wii u
10:04 <Nothing\> cuz let's face it, the Wii U was the Windows ME of Nintendo
10:26 <electrohead> lol
10:33 <electrohead> any mario game I'll play
10:49 <Nothing\> well, mario odyssey is another amazing game
11:09 <Nothing\> it's got the classic star/moon/sun/whatever hunting mechanic, right
11:24 <Nothing\> but the areas are a bit more open ended
11:37 <Nothing\> and there are i think 900 of these things to collect through the whole game
11:51 <Nothing\> so there's a ton of end-game content
12:09 <Nothing\> i've put almost just as much money into mario as i have into zelda
12:53 * T3sl4 drops a korok poop on Nothing\'s head
13:26 <Nothing\> the switch also has this mario game called mario 35, or something like that. Which is like a VS mode of Super Mario Bros 1. I haven't plaed it much, but it's like tetris where you can do stuff and add enemies to somebody's screen and stuff like that until there's one guy left standing.
13:40 <Nothing\> lol T3sl4 it does look more like poop, doesn't it
13:46 <T3sl4> it's canon, too
13:50 <Nothing\> and that would explain the smell the're always talking about
13:53 <Nothing\> haha really?
14:14 <Nothing\> T3sl4, i started a new game in breath of wild lol
14:22 <T3sl4> when you get the last one and bring it to whatsisname, he gives you a really big one that has a...coiled appearance
15:33 <Nothing\> i didn't even finish my original game. I got into the end game content so I could get the bike. But it gets kinda lame when you're just stuck trying to do a shrine and you can't really explore or do anything fun
16:09 <Nothing\> lol you mean people have actually collected all of the korok seeds? And that the game actually expected some people to do this?
16:18 <T3sl4> just learn bomb jumps, you can skip like half the shrines that way lol
16:28 <T3sl4> there's a completion meter on the map my dude
16:40 <T3sl4> the 100% speedrun takes literally 21 hours or something
16:42 <Nothing\> it's not that i need to skip them, it's that i need hearts so i have no choice
16:48 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) Connection closed
16:56 <Nothing\> lol my first run took 350 hours to get to ganon
17:01 <Nothing\> but i really took my time
17:10 <T3sl4> the fastest speedrun takes like 28 minutes to get to ganon
17:29 <T3sl4> both are pretty insane, for obvious reasons
17:32 <Nothing\> i was afraid if i got to the end, that'd be it and i'd have to start a new game and i wouldn't have access to any of my other end game stuff
17:53 <Nothing\> yeah i read that you can pretty much go straight to ganon after the first 4 shrines
18:58 <T3sl4> you know the gorgeous opening cutscene when you leave the start area?
19:08 <T3sl4> they even have a way to skip that, clip through the wall. lol
19:13 <Nothing\> yup, i've actually got a poster of it in my room
19:21 <Nothing\> damn
19:33 <Nothing\> yeah i can only imagine the stuff they've found in this game
20:04 <Nothing\> i like to keep my glitch interests to simpler games just cuz the glitches are simpler. Plus I like to learn about how they work from a CS point of view
20:26 <Nothing\> so it's easier to understand a glitch on the SNES and NES as opposed to the switch
20:51 <Nothing\> not to mention, glitches on more modern systems seem to be a lot harder to implement
20:59 <T3sl4> RGMEx is a nice channel yeah
21:08 <Nothing\> i'll be damned if i can do half of the glitch jumps in mario odyssey
21:16 <Nothing\> hell, even the regular jumps are hard
22:19 <Nothing\> T3sl4, oh retro game mechanics explained
22:25 <Nothing\> yeah, i friggin LOVE this channel
22:44 <Nothing\> it's taught me so much about the basics of how the 8/16 bit systems worked
23:32 <Nothing\> also T3sl4 if you're familiar with 6502 at all
23:34 <Nothing\> https://gist.github.com/1wErt3r/4048722
23:54 <Nothing\> there's a complete and comprehensively detailed disassembly of super mario bros on the NES
23:56 <EEVBot> [Title] - A Comprehensive Super Mario Bros. Disassembly · GitHub
24:17 <Nothing\> i've learned a lot of 6502 assembly just studying the code and referencing it to the documentation
26:17 <DHess_US> 6502 isn't very complicated. PIC assembly is very similar.
28:14 <Nothing\> really/
28:22 <Nothing\> i've always wanted to learn PIC
28:38 <Nothing\> actually DHess_US i've noticed a lot of assembly languages from the 80's are very similar
28:48 <DHess_US> The similarity just comes from being accumulator based ISAs.
29:03 <Nothing\> they may have different mnemonics, but the basic architecture is the same
29:19 <Nothing\> yeah i guess that makes sense
29:42 <Nothing\> plus i'm sure a regular CPU would be very different from a vector processor
29:45 <Nothing\> or a math processor
30:02 <Nothing\> heh a math co-processor
30:07 <Nothing\> what was up with those anyways
30:22 <DHess_US> PIC has been around almost as long as 6502. AVR is much like Z80 because they both have a bank of general purpose registers.
30:57 <T3sl4> eh, more like a... narrow 68k? that had general registers didn't it
31:01 <Nothing\> DHess_US, htat's interesting cuz for desktop based stuff, i prefer the 6502
31:31 <DHess_US> T3sl4, or that. The 8080 was accumulator based but Z80 extended the instruction set to be more like 68k.
31:41 <T3sl4> Z80 is kinda mixed between GP, accumulator oriented arithmetic, and crufty special cases like x86 went on to commit
31:55 <DHess_US> x86 copied what Z80 did.
31:59 <Nothing\> actually there's an outstanding emulator for the 8086 i'd be remiss if i didn't mention it
32:11 <Nothing\> you guys ever heard of or played with emu8086?
32:27 <DHess_US> I don't think so
32:40 <Nothing\> it's not free, but can be torrented easily enough
33:14 <Nothing\> but it's a full emulation of an 8086 with simulations for hardware like LEDs and 7 segment displays and stuff
33:26 <Nothing\> or you even program your own IO devices
33:43 <T3sl4> there's also https://www.ioccc.org/2013/cable3/hint.html
33:44 <EEVBot> [Title] - Largest small system emulator
34:10 <Nothing\> i really can't do it justice with my gushing, but if you low level, old school programming is your thing, emu8086 is right up your alley
34:31 <Nothing\> T3sl4, ooh interesting
34:42 <DHess_US> 6502 programmers would be comfortable with PIC. 8080/Z80 programmers would be more comfortable with AVR.
35:07 <Nothing\> https://emu8086-microprocessor-emulator.en.softonic.com/download
35:08 <EEVBot> [Title] - Download EMU8086 - MICROPROCESSOR EMULATOR - latest version
35:11 <DHess_US> I tend to ignore 68k because Motorola were assholes.
35:15 <Nothing\> that's right, emu8086 has a 30 day free trial
35:32 <Nothing\> DHess_US, yeah i've never done anything with the 68k
35:48 <T3sl4> i recall hearing that, for much of its history, 68k was expensive and/or unavailable?
35:50 <Nothing\> i have an emulator, easy68k but i've yet to do anything with it
36:10 <Nothing\> T3sl4, that's probably a big reason why the 6502 was so popular
36:10 <DHess_US> Motorola products were chronically short on availability, so they got ignored or designed out of a lot of products.
36:37 <Nothing\> had the same functionality as the 68k, but no red tape and probably crazy cheap by comparison
36:38 <DHess_US> I still have a pair of 68HC I/O expanders that showed up months too late causing us to switch to PIC.
36:41 <T3sl4> the 6502 itself was a significant undercut to the 6800, to which it is, or nearly, binary compatible IIRC
37:02 <Nothing\> T3sl4, enough to warrant a lawsuit
37:24 <Nothing\> okay i should really go pee and have a smoke. I haven't smoked at all yet today
37:52 <DHess_US> Was the lawsuit over instructions or patents? It might not have been until later that the courts ruled that you can't copyright an ISA.
38:27 <DHess_US> MIPS learned from that and deliberately included a couple instruction which could only be duplicated by violating their patents.
39:09 <DHess_US> Which was a good move for MIPS, but bad for the MIPS market, so they got all of nothing for it.
41:43 <T3sl4> MIPS always enjoyed a modest popularity, it seems
42:20 <DHess_US> Right, but their shenanigans contributed to their losing the workstation market.
42:48 <DHess_US> Most processors can survive in the embedded market, which is what happened.
43:45 <T3sl4> SGI workstations were probably a big win, but bigger for SGI than MIPS, that can't be many units
44:08 <T3sl4> hm, what was the biggest production order before PS/N64?
46:28 <DHess_US> Printers?
46:39 <DHess_US> Well, print engines?
46:51 <DHess_US> 29K survived in print engines for a long time.
47:16 <DHess_US> Didn't some car ECUs use MIPS? PowerPC is popular there for some reason.
48:06 <T3sl4> ah, probably
48:53 <DHess_US> We probably would have used AVR instead of PIC if AVR had been available at the time.
49:33 <DHess_US> But Microchip was one of the first "cheap" EEPROM/FLASH microcontrollers.
49:44 <DHess_US> 16C84
50:06 <DHess_US> Motorola had the 68HC811 ... but getting parts out of them was futile.
50:27 <T3sl4> heh, i have a tube of a few 16C71, 72 and 73s
50:40 <T3sl4> the 71s are OTP but the others are windowed CERDIP
50:45 <DHess_US> I have some of the 8 pin ceramic EPROM PICs.
50:59 <DHess_US> Somewhere
51:05 <T3sl4> 97-98 date codes, not terrifically old as those things go
51:16 <DHess_US> But everything got replaced with the 16C84 when it became available.
51:30 <T3sl4> cute
51:51 <DHess_US> plastic package and electrically erasable and cheaper.
55:29 <Nothing\> holy crap it's hot out today
55:53 <Nothing\> curses to anyone who says canada's cold and snowy
56:57 <Nothing\> 92 degrees
56:59 <Nothing\> not too bad
57:19 <Nothing\> i guess it IS june now. Hard as it is to believe
57:35 <Nothing\> may seemede to go by so fast
00:00 <Nothing\> reckon it's about time to crack out the ol' air con when i feel like it
00:06 <DHess_US> There was a good movie about Canadian weather.
00:18 <Nothing\> was it called strange brew?
00:26 <Nothing\> that's probably the best canadian movie ever
00:42 <DHess_US> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0337721/
00:44 <Nothing\> bob and doug mackenzie. Classic
00:45 <EEVBot> [Title] - The Snow Walker (2003) - IMDb
00:47 <T3sl4> getting sweaty here too
00:52 <Nothing\> oh it's a true story
01:25 <Nothing\> huh this actually looks kinda good DHess_US
01:40 <Nothing\> even though it's not anything that'd be up my alley, so to speak.
01:49 <DHess_US> It is a great movie.
02:01 <DHess_US> It was very well executed.
02:24 <Nothing\> -i don't even watch movies anymore as it is. Usually
02:44 <Nothing\> Of course I make exceptions
03:54 <Nothing\> i was just tihnking i should spread flyers around the neighbourhood for an event where we all just leave our houses for 60 seconds for no reason in particular.
04:20 <Nothing\> you can chat with neighbours, you can look at the clouds, smell the fresh air, whatever.
04:54 <Nothing\> but it'd be the entire neighbourhood for 60 seconds. Or more if they feel like it.
05:19 <Nothing\> or maybe wait until after covid for that lol
06:43 <DHess_US> Taking apart a Tektronix TM503 mainframe. Besides the capacitors, I need to decide what parts should be preemptively replaced.
07:54 <Nothing\> If there's anything power related, i'd say that
08:54 <DHess_US> No reason to change the power transistors, but I will check them. At the least I would order spares for the transistors, bridge rectifier, and rectifier diodes.
09:17 <DHess_US> I might change the rectifier diodes for quieter ones.
09:19 <Nothing\> ah yeah, i was just talking about the passives
09:41 <DHess_US> It has 3 big electrolytic capacitors.
09:54 <Nothing\> semiconductors SHOULD be fine. Assuming it's been run properly throughout it's life.
10:18 <DHess_US> The bridge rectifiers are known to fail.
10:27 <Nothing\> i did not know that
10:40 <Nothing\> i'd always heard it was the caps to look out for
10:42 <DHess_US> Just in general, but not necessarily on this instrument.
10:58 <Nothing\> what era are you talking about? like 4007s? or older?
11:11 <DHess_US> The DM502 I just refurbished had a bridge rectifier which was half open, and all open by the time I removed it.
11:21 <DHess_US> 70s
11:28 <Nothing\> ah okay
11:42 <DHess_US> So I refurbished both of my DM502s
12:16 <DHess_US> https://ibb.co/xz31PNp https://ibb.co/nnyHRyJ
12:17 <EEVBot> [Title] - DM502-Repaired — ImgBB
12:21 <Nothing\> well, 1N400X diodes date back to 1963
12:27 <Nothing\> surprisingly enough
12:29 <DHess_US> Added TVS diodes across the regulated supplies also.
12:58 <DHess_US> Replaced the TI edge wipe socket which holds the regulator with collet pins.
13:14 <Nothing\> it's funny how old these electronics i'm always playing around with really are
13:29 <Nothing\> i might think "oh this was probably made around the '80s"
13:45 <DHess_US> These are 1979 and 1974
13:51 <Nothing\> then find out it's closer the the 70's or 60's. Depending what it is.
14:24 <DHess_US> My oldest test instrument that I use is probably my 250DA ESI impedance bridge
14:32 <Nothing\> lol this 6502 i have doesn't even have a date code on it
14:37 <DHess_US> But I just got a DE-5000
14:40 <Nothing\> which i find highly suspect
14:44 <DHess_US> Check underneath
14:50 <Nothing\> hrm lemme see
14:51 <Nothing\> brb
16:15 <Nothing\> lol
16:23 <Nothing\> the date code says 3438
16:35 <Nothing\> methinks this is a phony
16:40 <Nothing\> i'll take a pic
18:42 <Nothing\> https://ibb.co/RDKXwKG
18:43 <EEVBot> [Title] - 20210605-171711 — ImgBB
18:50 <Nothing\> see, it's a really plain looking chip
19:05 <Nothing\> with what's clearly an incorrect date code
19:37 <Nothing\> and no, there was nothing at all underneath it
20:56 <Nothing\> like, the other NMOS 6502 I have has a more stylized MOS logo and actually has a datecode which makes sense
21:08 <Nothing\> and none of it's anywhere it is on this chip
22:08 <Nothing\> but without intensive testing i couldn't possibly do at this point in my life, it'll be impossible to know.
23:52 <Nothing\> that's the problem with suspected counterfeited chips on aliexpress. It takes a long time just to test a batch of 10 chips
24:08 <Nothing\> nevermind the hundreds of chips i have in my collection
25:00 <DHess_US> <Nothing\> with what's clearly an incorrect date code
25:02 <DHess_US> No.
25:12 <DHess_US> That is the date code, but you have to check the datasheet to decode it.
25:30 <DHess_US> Not all date codes are week/year
27:51 <Nothing\> oh, i didn't knw that
28:03 <Nothing\> that's interesting. Thanks for letting me know
30:14 <T3sl4> don't know that i've seen a 4-digit code that wasn't the usual kind tho, usually if they do something different it's 3 or 2 chars and alphanumeric coded
30:28 <T3sl4> or if 3 digits, they just omit the decade
31:46 <DHess_US> National used a lot of 4 digit date codes with alphanumerics.
32:31 <T3sl4> ah
32:42 <DHess_US> Here is a national 308 marked 835C
33:00 <Nothing\> here's a really neat programming based game i found
33:02 <Nothing\> https://microcorruption.com/
33:53 <Nothing\> you use assembly language to hack these locks with MCUs in them
34:15 <Nothing\> and try to figure out the password
34:16 <T3sl4> protip: masterlock likes MSP430s
34:29 <Nothing\> no shit?
34:39 <Nothing\> i guess that's why they went with it for this game
34:55 <Nothing\> but thanks, i was strugggling to remember what MCU it used
35:25 <Nothing\> i wonder if that means that this is basically a guide for hacking masterlocks lol
35:46 <Nothing\> if it's based somewhat in reality, the similarities probably go further
38:08 <T3sl4> it actually does? lol
38:39 <Nothing\> does what?
39:05 <T3sl4> use msp
39:19 <Nothing\> yeah, the game's based on the MSP430 lol
39:28 <Nothing\> i was surprised you figured that out so fast
39:38 <Nothing\> but apparently you didn't
41:46 <T3sl4> i mean i've seen the design files for at least one of their boards, and i don't think it's any secret to anyone who's opened one up :)
42:33 <Nothing\> ah, see, i've never torn one down before. Or looked at circuit diagrams
42:56 <Nothing\> heh, no sanding off the name of the chip?
43:44 <Nothing\> i never got that. Is your design really THAT ground breaking that you need to go to those lengths to hide it?
45:52 <Nothing\> hrm i wanna play binding of isaac but i have no idea which version to play
45:59 <Nothing\> there are like 4 or 5 different versions
49:15 <Nothing\> repentance, afterbirth+, afterbirth, rebirth complete bundle, regular binding of isaac, wrath of lamb, afterbirth+ bundle
49:33 <Nothing\> what the hell one am i supposed to buy
50:16 <electrohead> https://old.reddit.com/r/oddlysatisfying/comments/nsz9dp/video_time_warp_edits/
50:18 <EEVBot> [Title] - Too Many Requests
50:20 <electrohead> this is fucking neat
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53:12 <Nothing\> electrohead, that musta taken a LONG time to make
53:49 <electrohead> yeah man
53:56 <electrohead> the dude did a really good job, too
53:57 <Nothing\> what i'd like to see is somebody doing a video like that without a computer
54:16 <Nothing\> oh it was outstanding the amount of work he put into it
54:34 <T3sl4> electrohead, and vice versa
57:29 <Nothing\> T3sl4, are you a soccer?
57:40 <T3sl4> que?
57:46 <Nothing\> a soccer
57:56 <Nothing\> you know, the sport where they kick the ball around
58:03 <Nothing\> football
58:40 <T3sl4> i've checked my balls, but my balls aren't checkered
59:05 <Nothing\> that's a good start, but i need to know for sure if you're a soccer
59:08 <DHess_US> In this power supply, they put 0.02uF capacitors across the diodes for the center-tapped full wave.
59:14 <Nothing\> things could depend on it
59:17 <Nothing\> actual THINGS
59:34 <DHess_US> I wonder how old this thing is ...
59:43 <Nothing\> bad idea: peeing in a fan
00:06 <Nothing\> worse idea: pooping in a fan
00:43 <electrohead> lol...
00:43 <DHess_US> 1976 I think
01:22 <Nothing\> worst idea: vomiting in a fan
01:43 <Nothing\> actually worst idea would probably be giving birth in a fan lol
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33:07 <Nothing\> quick question
33:35 <Nothing\> with a board that has socketed QFPs like this: https://ibb.co/QnMsVKF
33:35 <EEVBot> [Title] - 20210605-144655 — ImgBB
33:55 <Nothing\> how would you go about removing the chips. Just out of curiosity?
34:24 <Nothing\> obviously you'd need some sort of tool. Like for removing DIP chips from sockets
35:12 <T3sl4> Nothing\: PLCCs
35:21 <T3sl4> right, you need a hook shaped chip puller
35:36 <T3sl4> can probably manage with a carefully formed paperclip
35:48 <Nothing\> okay so that's not a qfp then?
36:09 <T3sl4> quad flat pins
36:21 <Nothing\> i don't deal with SMT much so i'm fuzzy on the different types of chips and so on
36:35 <T3sl4> QFN is quad flat nolead
36:48 <T3sl4> PLCC is the four sided version of SOJ, small outline j-lead
36:56 <Nothing\> frankly i'm still amazed at how tiny they can make passives
36:57 <T3sl4> i don't know that PLCC stands for anything?
37:14 <T3sl4> oh right, "plastic-leaded chip carrier" of course
37:24 <Nothing\> at least caps and resistors. There's not a whole lot you can do to miniaturize inductors is there?
37:34 <T3sl4> as opposed to the ceramic leadless LCC
38:00 <T3sl4> you can get inductors and ferrite beads in whatever small chip you like, they're just not rated for much
38:13 <Nothing\> yeah that's what i mean
38:27 <Nothing\> we need something like super inductors
38:48 <Nothing\> a tech that does for inductors what super caps did for capacitors
39:40 <T3sl4> let's see, DK stocks 0201s up to 470nH, rated for 50mA and 16.5 ohms
40:19 <rust_collector> dead kennedys have the bestest inductors
40:29 <T3sl4> terribly low Q lol
40:48 <T3sl4> everyone knows the best components come from cambodia
40:56 <Nothing\> rust_collector, holiday in cambodia?
40:56 <rust_collector> yeees
41:00 <Nothing\> lol
41:09 <rust_collector> they come on the police truck
41:20 <Nothing\> you'll work better with a gun in your back for a bowl of rice a day
41:25 <Nothing\> *harder
41:46 * Ampera places a gun to Nothing\'s back, threatens to shoot if he doesn't hug
42:01 * Nothing\ happy hugs Ampera 
42:03 <Nothing\> :D
42:14 <Ampera> how are you doing Nothing\
42:29 <Nothing\> a tad warm, but not bad
42:50 <Nothing\> actually, pretty good. Come to think of it
43:05 <Nothing\> aside from not being able to amuse myself in any way
43:12 * Ampera pours ice water all over Nothing\ 
43:20 <T3sl4> 01005s they have up to 56nH it seems, also with a max Q around 10 heh
43:34 <Nothing\> lol i would be so pissed off if anyone poured ice water on me
43:36 <T3sl4> basically useless below some 100s MHz
43:48 * Ampera simply pours ice on Nothing\ 
43:51 * T3sl4 ALS challenges Ampera
45:01 * Ampera skips to T3sl4's lou gehrig
45:17 <Nothing\> being on methadone, i'm super sensitive to sudden changes in temperature. Especially cold. I tried going swimming with my nieces once a few years ago at an indoor pool and it felt so cold that when I jumped in, it did that thing where it sucks the breath out of you. Ifyou've ever dove into icy water before
46:07 <Nothing\> it literally felt like i was doing to drown and/or hyperventilate to death because i had no control of my breath but i was in the water.
46:49 * rust_collector throws warm ice on Nothing\ 
47:16 <Nothing\> and the water wasn't even that cold. Like I said it was a normal indoor poor. Everyone else was enjoying and had no problem with the temperature of the pool.
47:27 <Nothing\> warm ice is cool
47:39 <Nothing\> i wanna buy a box of diapers just to get some
47:48 <Nothing\> cuz they put it in diapers
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03:33 <Halcyon> Mornnnnning
09:22 * electrohead pokes Halcyon
09:24 <electrohead> https://old.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/nswz1r/he_is_going_to_be_a_great_magician/
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09:25 <electrohead> lmfao
10:37 <Halcyon> :D
14:07 <electrohead> that's great, I have to do that to people, now
14:10 <electrohead> xD
22:36 * T3sl4 sweats on electrohead
23:43 <T3sl4> went for a bit of a walk, now for a beer
23:50 <Halcyon> Nice
24:53 * T3sl4 flicks some of his gamer juice on Halcyon too
25:03 <Halcyon> Is that what you call your beer?
25:46 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aDgH-_G4h0
25:47 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Southpark World of Warcraft Cartman bathroom
26:24 <T3sl4> my sweat
26:38 <Halcyon> Oh even better :P
28:30 <Halcyon> I'm going to post your package very soon T3sl4, just need to get dressed and go out
28:51 <T3sl4> yay
31:41 <electrohead> lol
31:50 * electrohead puts a stamp on his crotch as well
32:01 <Halcyon> electrohead, I still have to box yours up, its going to be a little tricky :P I need to find a suitable box.
32:42 <electrohead> :P
33:12 <Halcyon> I vacuum sealed the sauce bottles in case of spillage :P
34:30 <electrohead> you can vacuum seal my sauce anytime you want lol
34:45 * T3sl4 wraps electrohead in skin tight pvc
34:51 <Halcyon> Bahahaha. Promises promises :P
39:25 <electrohead> xD
39:33 * electrohead throws IPA's at T3sl4
39:56 * T3sl4 throws ketones at electrohead
47:44 Quit: coppice ([email protected]) Quit: Konversation terminated!
01:23 <steve30> hi Halcyon
01:28 <Halcyon> Heya Steve
01:32 <Halcyon> How's it going?
03:18 <steve30> ok
03:24 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
03:29 <Halcyon> Yeeee Ampera
03:29 <Ampera> how are you doing big guy?\
03:50 <Halcyon> Not too bad. Although not looking forward to tomorrow. I have to be up at 0100 for work
04:02 <Halcyon> How's you?
04:17 <Ampera> not bad
04:18 <Ampera> check signal
04:32 <Halcyon> I think that meat is about done :P
04:45 <Halcyon> Does your dad like it charcoal?
05:06 <Ampera> No he particularly doesn't
05:19 <Halcyon> How long before that umbrella catches fire? :P
05:21 <Ampera> he actually kinda just stood there gawping at it, not knowing what to do, until I went out and told him to close the lid :P
05:30 <Halcyon> S-M-R-T
05:30 <Ampera> he actually moved it away was his first though
05:40 <Halcyon> It looks a little blackend :P
05:47 <Ampera> umbrella's fine
05:54 <Ampera> it's not actually
06:04 <Ampera> Halcyon, have time for a call?
06:30 <Halcyon> I was just going to step out to the post office, I can call you for a bit in about 5-6 minutes?
06:40 <Ampera> every time you pop in you're popping out :P
06:43 <Ampera> sure
06:52 <Halcyon> I'm a busy boy :)
07:05 <Ampera> busy busy busy...
07:42 <T3sl4> post my junk, bitch~
08:17 * Ampera slaps a stamp on T3sl4's balls
08:29 <T3sl4> no, that was electrohead
08:44 <T3sl4> wait
09:02 * T3sl4 shakes it with electrohead, the stamp shaking duo
26:03 <electrohead> lol
26:20 <electrohead> now why do I need to be a part of this?
30:58 * Halcyon fondles electrohead 
34:36 * Ampera fondles Halcyon 
34:43 <Ampera> you know I'm fondle of you
38:08 * T3sl4 spindles Ampera
38:41 * Ampera gives T3sl4 a bucket of R12
38:58 * T3sl4 gives Ampera a bucket of r34
39:17 <Halcyon> :D
39:23 * Ampera gives T3sl4 a bucket of lit M80's
39:43 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
39:55 <T3sl4> why are you doing, Halcyon?
40:02 <Ampera> when are you doing, Halcyon?
41:22 <T3sl4> what are you, Ampera?
41:32 <Ampera> I am god.
41:40 <Ampera> I am your best nightmare.
41:45 <Ampera> I am your worst dream
41:58 <Ampera> I am insanity incarnate
42:04 <Ampera> I am hungry
42:49 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOnKCcjP8Qs
42:50 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Megadeth - Sweating Bullets
43:00 <T3sl4> i can subdue but never tame you
43:11 <Ampera> https://youtube.com/watch?v=EY8bXdSa0Bo&list=OLAK5uy_kmfGQucdh99YTLuBe3zmvEQP6g8qtN-jY
43:12 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Hail To The Masters
43:26 <Ampera> one of my favorite groups
43:56 <T3sl4> i didn't know you could grow cellphones in cloning tubes
44:39 <Ampera> T3sl4, did you see the group which one the eurovision song contest?
44:43 <Ampera> they were pretty good
44:48 <T3sl4> homovision? ew
45:04 <Ampera> I knew you were homophonic!
45:11 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mL6Cmkg2_A
45:12 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Måneskin - Zitti E Buoni - Italy 🇮🇹 - Official Music Video - Eurovision 2021
45:47 <T3sl4> this derdian seems like a bit folkier and classical version of manowar, or dragonforce with about 1/4th as many notes and half the tempo
46:05 <Ampera> I like them
46:23 <T3sl4> more metal than i was expecting to see from you, but a welcome one
46:23 <Ampera> They're italian too
46:44 <T3sl4> interesting, i was going to guess celtic influence
46:49 <T3sl4> well, maybe that's what they're going after, idk
47:11 <Ampera> Google, in its infinite wisdom, suggested them as I was listening to Heavenly
48:01 <T3sl4> speaking of hailing to things, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46MALEk-7cE
48:02 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Megadeth - Duke Nukem Theme (HD)
48:04 <Ampera> That Maneskin song that won the ESC is metaly too
49:14 <T3sl4> may also be of interest, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n63UbX5kzAc
49:16 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: BLIND GUARDIAN - The Bard's Song (OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO)
50:14 Join: Ysjoelfir_ ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
50:18 <Ampera> Always bet on duke
50:42 <T3sl4> and yeah they've got some good rock going there
51:04 <Ampera> My favorite of the competition was Ukraine's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7-dxzp6Jvs
51:05 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Go_A - SHUM - Ukraine 🇺🇦 - Official Music Video - Eurovision 2021
51:09 <Ampera> but that's just because I'm weird
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51:11 Nick: Ysjoelfir_ is now known as Ysjoelfir
52:37 * T3sl4 d-d-d-drops Ampera like a fish
52:48 <Ampera> Thankfully not the only one, I think they got particularly high scores on the public vote
53:40 <T3sl4> it's a neat combination of styles
54:21 <T3sl4> and she can definitely sing well, even if they're fixing it up in post idk
54:38 <Ampera> It's sort of a style of singing, very hard to pull off live
54:52 <Ampera> she did very good in the semi-final, but was a bit rough in the final
55:19 <T3sl4> aw
55:20 <Ampera> T3sl4, did I ever link you Blonde Redhead?
55:24 <Ampera> they're also one of my favorites
55:28 <T3sl4> maybe?
55:44 <Ampera> https://youtube.com/watch?v=hpE5HSjllsc&list=OLAK5uy_nZcHgI3Y_gbRfr_Zg1yBIt19H3RNwS78o
55:45 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Misery Is a Butterfly
56:08 <T3sl4> oh yeah, i remember
56:19 <Ampera> also if you want to watch the eurovision song contest, I can either give it to you, or you can just youtube-dl it if you have a VPN or proxy with a Canadian or EU endpoint
56:52 <Ampera> the EBU puts it up on youtube in full each year, but geo blocked
57:27 <T3sl4> i wonder if any of their [blonde rh] tunes are in karaoke, i know a few people who could absolutely kill it
57:43 <Ampera> While I am my own ears, I can at least hit those notes
57:44 <T3sl4> although maybe not in exactly the same octave, she has a really high voice lol
58:00 <Ampera> I use it to try to exercise my voice (matching the singing)
58:24 <Ampera> My falsetto is /really/ high, I've been trying to articulate and control it
58:50 <Ampera> She has a sort of voice that's actually kinda easy to emulate with my falsetto, moreso than other female singers.
58:52 <T3sl4> there's a technique to go even higher but i don't understand it and never got more than squeaks beyond my falsetto
58:59 * Halcyon licks Ampera
59:10 <T3sl4> yeah she's using falsetto i'm sure, very airy sound
59:32 <Ampera> The highest I've ever gone with my falsetto is Frankie Valli. I haven't tried recently, lest the people I live with wonder which of our cats is dying, but I can match his falsetto in range at least
59:48 * Ampera hugs Halcyon with a sausage
59:58 <Ampera> smoked beer bratwurst, of course
00:03 <T3sl4> i should listen to like, begees sometimes, i can actually hit that as i recall, it's already in falsetto
00:10 * T3sl4 batters Ampera with a beer bottle
00:24 <Ampera> beegees is easy
00:35 <T3sl4> yeah if you're doing this, you should do that no problem
00:49 <Ampera> My main issue isn't range, it's fine control and tone
01:04 <Ampera> I'm getting better at control and hitting notes (I think), but it's also very situational
01:05 <T3sl4> just takes practice :)
01:13 <Ampera> sometimes my voice can go right up there, sometimes I can barely do anything
01:29 <T3sl4> and endurance, since i practice so little my range tanks after a few songs
01:38 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_siJRgDlddY
01:39 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Nutshell
01:44 <T3sl4> you should like this
01:45 <Ampera> I push my voice hard, so my endurance can be taxed.
01:56 <Ampera> listening
02:11 <Ampera> For me it's not as much endurance, more that the longer I sing, the more my voice changes and fluctuates
02:29 <Ampera> One of my favorite songs to practice with was Supertramp's Goodbye Stranger
03:21 <Halcyon> Mmmm bratwurst
03:22 <Ampera> https://youtube.com/watch?v=m_npTC0Rvgg&list=OLAK5uy_lsvdSQOVibXSfKJfjfO6xJCjPNrf6JQlM
03:22 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Space Song
03:22 <Halcyon> With mustard?
03:25 <Ampera> This is another one of my favorites
03:28 <Ampera> Halcyon, whole grain, of course
03:33 <Halcyon> Of course
03:51 <Halcyon> Alternatively, finnish Sinappi
03:53 <Ampera> When I get my truck I'll take a trip down to the german butcher's and get some of their real bratwurst
04:30 <Ampera> T3sl4, It's alright. With me and music I sometimes love a song on the first listen, and sometimes it takes a few listens for me to love it.
05:10 <T3sl4> not an instant hit then?
05:26 <Ampera> No I can't say it is.
05:33 <T3sl4> AIC has such lovely harmony, one of the gems of grunge
13:15 * T3sl4 swats at Ampera with a block of bleu cheese
13:46 * Ampera places some CAT6 on it
13:50 <Ampera> now you have cord on bleu
14:14 <T3sl4> :)
14:36 <Halcyon> Fuck you and your dad jokes :P
14:45 <Ampera> no u
15:14 <Halcyon> OK then :P
15:27 * T3sl4 entices steve30 with the chicken not-kiev
17:17 <T3sl4> sirens, oh boy, someone did something bad outside
18:38 <Halcyon> It could be the firies/ambos?
18:50 <T3sl4> is that short for fire fairies?
18:55 <Halcyon> Sure :P
19:11 * T3sl4 ponders this
19:32 <T3sl4> but yeah one or more was probably coming from the hospital down the street
20:13 <Ampera> maybe someone slipped, fell, and beat the shit out of someone
22:17 <T3sl4> and sparked a fire
22:39 <Halcyon> I find it strange that your fire brigade is also your ambulance/paramedics.
24:23 <T3sl4> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ they have paramedic training at least
24:44 <T3sl4> but it's even stranger that we get charged a literal arm and a leg for ambulance rides, or anything else health related
24:48 <T3sl4> so, par for the course
25:07 <Halcyon> Our fire brigade put out fires, deal with hazmat or cut people out of cars
25:21 <Halcyon> They don't attend medical emergencies
26:36 <T3sl4> also, a firework nearby
26:45 <T3sl4> so, probably just the latter thing
27:08 <T3sl4> it's only june, but shrug
32:06 <Halcyon> What are the fireworks for?
32:59 <T3sl4> absolutely nothing say it again
33:04 <T3sl4> wait
33:30 <Halcyon> I just put a big huntsman spider outside
33:34 <Halcyon> He was trapped inside
33:54 <Halcyon> Legspan was probably about 10 cm
33:55 <Ampera> Firefighters are not the main paramedic service, we have actual ambulances with paramedics in them
34:05 <Halcyon> Oh right
34:07 <T3sl4> aw, poor guy
34:11 <T3sl4> or girl more likely
34:13 <Ampera> the point is that firefighters (and often even police officers) have paramedic training, so they can also respond to medical emergencies
34:31 <Ampera> since, usually when something is on fire, someone is also on fire, or smoked out
34:38 <electrohead> NO YOURE A TOWEL
34:39 <Halcyon> Yeh sure, we get medical training as well, but we aren't the first combat agency to anything medical
34:41 <electrohead> I mean
34:43 <Halcyon> Unless it's a self-harm job
34:43 <electrohead> hey
35:00 <Ampera> sometimes areas only have a fire department, them even often being community centers, so in those cases, they have to play double duty
35:00 <Halcyon> Hey electrohead
35:05 * T3sl4 sticks a sparkler up electrohead
35:09 * electrohead ignites
35:13 <electrohead> lol, hey guys :P
35:13 <Halcyon> Heheh
35:21 <Halcyon> You two are weird
35:37 <T3sl4> cool story, i once made my own sparklers, using potassium chlorate and charcoal as fuel, and coarse magnalium as the sparks
35:43 <electrohead> oooo
35:46 <T3sl4> it was... intensely incendiary
35:46 <electrohead> how'd it turn out?
35:46 <Halcyon> How did they go?
35:48 <Halcyon> Hahah
35:52 <electrohead> Halcyon: you're weird as well :P
35:55 <electrohead> but in the good way
36:07 <Halcyon> Did you have your explosion containment canister ?
36:09 <T3sl4> bright white sparks falling to the ground, if you got in their way they'd likely burrow into your flesh :P
36:23 <Halcyon> Sorry, pie dish
36:32 <T3sl4> nah, i just did it over the sidewalk
36:45 <Halcyon> You 'Mericans and your words
36:46 <Halcyon> :P
37:07 <T3sl4> the civilian concrete strip between houses and streets :P
37:15 <Halcyon> I know, I just find it amusing.
37:19 <Halcyon> We call it a "footpath"
37:20 <T3sl4> on a separate occasion, i lit off a barium nitrate magnalium blend, which burned so fucking hot it actually melted a green spot on the sidewalk :D
37:40 <T3sl4> i think i titled the youtube video "alien abduction"
38:19 <electrohead> did you dance around it?
38:24 <Halcyon> Oh T3sl4, it's confirmed, I'm going turn the leftover beef and stout stew into pies tonight for dinner
38:28 <Halcyon> They are going to turn out awesome
38:40 <DHess_US> magnalium?
39:14 <T3sl4> 50/50 aluminum magnesium alloy, intermetallic that's easy to grind
39:35 <DHess_US> I became an expert at making maroons.
39:35 * Ampera grinds on T3sl4 
39:39 <T3sl4> owo
39:43 * Halcyon videotapes
39:53 <T3sl4> ah yep here it is, it didn't even degrade that badly over the years with yt reencodes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed1k4RLlMOQ
39:54 * electrohead archives
39:54 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Alien Abduction
40:07 <DHess_US> You know how maroons don't scale up? Well, I found that they scale fine to 8 cubic inches.
40:13 <T3sl4> DHess_US: what a maroon
40:22 <Halcyon> Gees. Haha left a few scorch marks on the sidewalk there
40:43 <DHess_US> maroon is a type of firecracker. It uses a cardboard form wrapped with string and glue.
41:00 <Halcyon> Yes, that was rather ferocious
41:04 <DHess_US> You know the big mortar shells which go bang? Those use maroons.
41:33 * Halcyon checks out the rest of T3sl4's videos
41:41 <Halcyon> You have a lovely voice
41:50 <T3sl4> i seem to recall having more videos than that, maybe i removed them
41:53 <T3sl4> or maybe they did idk
42:08 <DHess_US> If you build a maroon with wire instead of string, then it becomes a grenade.
42:10 <T3sl4> for those about to pyrotech, we salute you
42:48 <Halcyon> Do I sense a little Canadian accent in there?
43:01 <T3sl4> i doubt it? just south wisconsin
43:10 <T3sl4> not even in da yoopers ya der hey
43:25 <T3sl4> you get more of that around mid state, or the UP or minnesota
43:33 <Halcyon> That's close enough to Canadia
43:43 <T3sl4> i mean, globally speaking, yes :P
44:07 <T3sl4> oh btw, the "abduction" one seems to fade or pulsate a bit, because the mix has a dynamic to it. if it were packed into a tube, it would whistle at the resonant frequency of the container
44:15 <Halcyon> You're quite well spoken, it's a lot less grating than other American accents I've heard
44:18 <T3sl4> that's what propels whistle rockets
44:24 <T3sl4> thanks :P
44:42 <DHess_US> Whistle rockets use either picric or gallic acid.
44:49 <Halcyon> It's just the way you said the word "about" was a mix between USA and Canada to my ears
44:50 <T3sl4> yeah, that works better
45:04 <T3sl4> main problem is i have zero production values, zero scripting or rehersal, and almost zero videos, considering how old the acct is :P
45:22 <Halcyon> Oh who cares? Do you think Dave has strayed far from zero production values.
45:33 <DHess_US> They used to all use picric acid, but picric acid by itself is an explosive. Countries use picric acid to fill bombs when they run out of TNT.
45:39 <Halcyon> Years ago I offered to professionally record and edit his videos for him and he had nil interest
45:40 <T3sl4> i mean, he has more cameras and actually edits his videos
45:48 <T3sl4> most of those were straight off the canon's CF card ;)
46:01 <Halcyon> Well, Clive just uses his phone
46:04 <Halcyon> It works well
46:22 <T3sl4> my last few vids are phone based, phones are pretty good these days
46:31 <T3sl4> certainly higher res than the 480p my canon did
46:40 <T3sl4> that thing was pretty great for 2003 tho
46:48 <Halcyon> It's amazing the kind of quality and resolution they can pack into such a tiny camera these days
47:19 <T3sl4> i inherited a galaxy s7, its camera is pretty good, but its fisheye correction is... a bit strange
47:28 <Halcyon> It's actually kind of scary. We use similar camera modules at work for surveillance type work. You would never spot them, especially at a distance.
47:36 <T3sl4> and like all modern cameras it seems, it has more pixels than optical resolution, and it tries to fill in the gaps, badly
47:47 <T3sl4> you get that up-close painted look that JPEG does nothing to improve
48:03 <T3sl4> yeah spy cams are HD easily
48:19 <T3sl4> except all the police and site footage that's still recorded to VHS apparently
48:30 <Halcyon> Even some of the lockpick cameras that are small enough to fit into a doorlock, they are 720P at least
48:36 <Halcyon> Hahahah
48:57 <Halcyon> When I first started, all the cells and custody areas used timelapse VHS
49:02 <Halcyon> It was horrendous
49:12 <Halcyon> Thankfully now it's all Axis IP cameras
55:56 <electrohead> T3sl4: your voice is sexier than my voice
56:04 * electrohead throws things
56:11 <T3sl4> i'm guessing that doesn't say much
56:11 <Halcyon> You're still sexy electrohead
57:25 * T3sl4 admires electrohead's stamp
58:23 <DHess_US> Lol, reading diode datasheet and it features "high forward voltage drop" That is a feature?
58:40 <DHess_US> https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/80/UF3001-G_Thru._UF3008-G_RevA-1481682.pdf
58:50 <electrohead> Halcyon: awe thanks, lol
59:05 <T3sl4> lovely typo
59:11 <electrohead> heh
59:22 <T3sl4> it's about as meaningful as anything else they put in the front matter, tbf
59:43 <DHess_US> "Comchip Technology" - Chinese company?
00:10 <electrohead> probably, lol
00:30 <T3sl4> far as i know
00:35 <electrohead> oh, so I finally got around to taking the casio te-2400 register apart, the old one that died from the beer store
00:43 <electrohead> I need to show you guys something
01:11 <T3sl4> taipei, not so bad
01:57 * Halcyon sits on electrohead all romantic-like
02:00 <Halcyon> *lap
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02:08 <Halcyon> Dammit, fucked that up
02:10 <T3sl4> romantic-lap?
02:20 <Halcyon> His lap
02:22 <Halcyon> Don't worry
02:45 <electrohead> lol
02:50 <T3sl4> are you sure you haven't had a wine bottle yet? :P
03:02 <electrohead> whose lap is more romantic, mine or T3sl4's? lol
03:06 <T3sl4> because on that note, i finished the bottle of raspberry wine i picked up lately
03:37 <Halcyon> I've tapped into a glass or two :P
03:44 <electrohead> "a glass or two"
03:45 <Halcyon> Yours electrohead
03:47 <electrohead> lol
03:52 <T3sl4> :(
03:52 <electrohead> awe, shucks
03:59 <Halcyon> You're like the forbidden fruit
04:08 <Halcyon> Where as I reckon liquor up T3sl4 and he's anyones
04:09 * electrohead sits on T3sl4's lap to give him some romantics
04:21 <electrohead> so, here y'all go - https://0xznc01.pw:2600/public/IMG_20210605_134854.jpg
04:24 <electrohead> >.<
04:32 <T3sl4> we're sitting stamp to stamp :3
04:37 <Halcyon> What am I looking at?
04:45 <Halcyon> A fuse link?
04:47 <T3sl4> yeah, that's a good one
05:02 <electrohead> I really don't know why someone soldered that wire, there
05:21 <T3sl4> this is a tape machine? not a computer? thefuck does it need all that logic and bus for
05:30 <electrohead> it's a register
05:48 <electrohead> https://cashregisterstore.com/te2400.html
06:02 <T3sl4> wait where did i get tape from, wtf
06:19 * T3sl4 blames Halcyon
06:26 <electrohead> lol
06:30 <Halcyon> Ohhh is this your old register?
06:34 <electrohead> yeah mate
06:42 <electrohead> it's in pieces right now, back in my lab
06:44 <electrohead> :D
06:50 <Halcyon> Yeh why the fuck would anyone do that?!
07:03 <electrohead> it's completely fucked
07:13 <electrohead> I still have yet to look at the power supply
07:20 <electrohead> actually, should go do that now
07:30 <Halcyon> Can you live stream on Discord?
07:58 <electrohead> eh, I don't have anything set up right now to live stream
08:23 <Halcyon> I was going to say, install Discord on your phone, but you don't use Google servicew
08:26 <Halcyon> *services
08:31 <electrohead> is that possible?
08:42 <Halcyon> What do you mean? Of course it's possible
10:20 <electrohead> lol, well, I've already tried certain apps in the past, and they wouldn't run because of the lack of google services
10:30 Join: alfbaz ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
10:41 <electrohead> shhh, he's here
10:51 <T3sl4> what do you run? lineage supports play store
10:55 <T3sl4> or, vice versa as the case may be
10:56 <alfbaz> lol
11:03 <Halcyon> Heya alfbaz, how's the shed going?
11:27 <alfbaz> the shed's at a stand still
11:30 * T3sl4 noogies alfbaz
11:39 <Halcyon> Aw why?
12:03 <electrohead> I don't have anything google installed on my phone, T3sl4
12:04 <alfbaz> This plastering has got the better of me
12:31 <T3sl4> can maybe still get the package and sideload it idk
12:34 <Halcyon> alfbaz, invite some people over to get plastered and we'll finish it off :P
12:54 <alfbaz> plus lots of night overtime shifts
13:12 <electrohead> I'm only seeing it on the play store
13:21 <alfbaz> ooh I like that idea Halcyon
13:22 <electrohead> and I don't trust the third party apk download sites
13:44 <Halcyon> I'd come down south, it's been a while since I was in Wollongong
13:47 <T3sl4> they don't have a direct download?
13:56 <Halcyon> electrohead, want me to fetch it for you?
14:34 <electrohead> T3sl4: doesn't look like it :/
14:38 <electrohead> Halcyon: that's up to you, lol
15:18 <Halcyon> Will you actually use it if I do
15:40 <electrohead> if it works, yes
15:42 <electrohead> lol
15:49 <Halcyon> OK... let me work out how...
16:15 <alfbaz> Halcyon, us southerners don't mind you northerners so long as you're not north of that border way up there :P
16:55 <electrohead> adb shell pm list packages
16:58 <electrohead> adb shell pm path com.example.etc
17:05 <electrohead> and then - adb pull <file>
17:39 <Halcyon> Gah, I don't have adb installed
17:40 <Halcyon> Standby
17:48 <electrohead> if it's too much, it's all good
17:49 <alfbaz> what pkg uze talkin about
17:55 <Halcyon> Discord
18:23 <alfbaz> what, that's a thing now?
18:31 <Halcyon> What do you mean?
18:33 <T3sl4> that's been a thing for a while
18:51 <alfbaz> I thought cool kids didn't like it
19:03 <electrohead> lol
19:26 <T3sl4> wat? it's the only thing the cool kids use!
19:32 <Halcyon> electrohead was going to pull apart a power supply and I asked him to live stream it, and Discord was the only way I knew how easily?
19:38 <Halcyon> Unless you can think of something else?
19:45 <alfbaz> I'm so not cool
20:42 <alfbaz> I guess everyone could get on signal
20:47 <Halcyon> electrohead, how do I upgrade the pacman repo thingo without updating the actual software?
21:03 <Halcyon> I fear if I do pacman -Syyu it's going to fuck my NVIDIA drivers again
21:24 <electrohead> I only have a raspberry pi 3 B+ connected to the monitor in the lab, and I'm afraid to update that right now, as everthing would break, guh
21:54 <electrohead> Halcyon: did we put the graphic drivers and such in the IgnorePackage directive, in the pacman.conf file?
22:00 <Halcyon> *shrug*
22:03 <Halcyon> I forget
22:50 <electrohead> view the /etc/pacman.conf file, and look
23:09 <electrohead> IgnorePkg is the name, sorry
23:09 <Halcyon> Doesn't look like it
23:30 <Halcyon> Yeh it's commented out and there is nothing in there
23:47 <electrohead> what you could do is a partial update, where the database gets updated; normally this is frowned upon, but if you want, you could do so
23:55 <electrohead> sudo pacman -Sy
23:55 <Halcyon> But wasn't there some kind of incompatibility with the driver and the latest Linux kernel?
24:03 <electrohead> I think so
24:06 <Halcyon> Yeh
24:27 <electrohead> but, after that pacman command, you could then install adb
24:40 <Halcyon> Yep that worked
25:09 <Halcyon> adb: error while loading shared libraries: libprotobuf.so.27: cannot open shared object file: No such file or director
25:11 <Halcyon> FFS
25:43 <electrohead> sudo pacman -S protobuf
25:57 <electrohead> before you do that, actually
26:01 <electrohead> be careful
26:05 <Halcyon> error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
26:05 <Halcyon> :: installing protobuf (3.16.0-1) breaks dependency 'protobuf=3.15.6' required by python-protobuf
26:38 <electrohead> yeah, you'd have to update everything but your kernel and graphics drivers
26:47 <Halcyon> Fuck that
27:01 <Halcyon> Can't you do Youtube live or something?
27:25 <electrohead> lol, I have nothing set up to stream, at *all*
27:39 <Halcyon> Well stream to me bitch, on Signal
27:48 <electrohead> I do have a canon rebel T6
28:00 <Halcyon> How would that help?
29:12 <alfbaz> He could T6 the A9 through the X11 via flapnoid 3.11
29:30 <electrohead> lmfao
29:39 <alfbaz> :P
29:53 <electrohead> would have to get the video feed from the DSLR to a computer in the back room
30:12 <electrohead> can't use the r.pi, but I do have three headless servers back there, two aren't used much currently
30:21 <electrohead> thanks, you gave me another project to work on
31:06 <T3sl4> you say that, alfbaz, but i have no fucking clue if that's actually a thing or not
31:36 * alfbaz tickles T3sl4's scrotum :P
31:45 * steve30 returns wearing lycra shorts
31:50 <T3sl4> mmm, taint'd love
32:00 <alfbaz> lol
32:17 * T3sl4 hugs steve30 
32:28 <alfbaz> steve30, the lycra aint gonna help
33:09 <steve30> well, Halcyon always seems to like it
33:21 <alfbaz> no doubt :P
34:18 <Nothing\> i was just thinking about how kids think weird things
34:55 <Nothing\> like when I was a kid, I thought The Simpsons were actually a species of yellow skinned hominid creatures who were all called simpsons
35:04 <Nothing\> i musta been 6 or 7
35:26 <Nothing\> i didn't realize it was a surname. Or THEIR surname.
35:53 <T3sl4> i mean, they are pretty alien
35:53 <steve30> i never watch the simpsons when i was little. I was aware of them, but i didn't really know what it was about
36:09 <Nothing\> i wonder why kids' brains are so weird. It has to come down to more than mere lack of experience.
36:48 <Nothing\> T3sl4, exactly. they were just so freakish looking. I genuinely didn't realize they were humans until I watched it for a couple of years.
36:52 <T3sl4> eh, one or another pattern of thought is as likely as another to form
37:09 <T3sl4> it takes reinforcement over time to develop correct thought patterns
37:34 <Nothing\> i loved the simpsons, I started watching I think around 6 or 7 but it coulda been sooner for all I know.
37:57 <steve30> i didn't start watching the simpsons till 2013
38:19 <T3sl4> i'm sorry to hear that
38:58 <Nothing\> I just know between the ages of 5 and 15 during 1990 to 2000 I watched probably every episode of the first 7 or 8 seasons 20-50 times a piece on syndication since it was on syndication pretty much from when I got home from school until either bed time or the 8pm night time line-up
39:54 <Nothing\> it'd be on at 3:30, 4:00, 5:00, 5:30, 6:00, sometimes 6:30, 7:00 and sometimes 7:30
40:09 <T3sl4> i watched it a pretty good amout, yeah
40:12 <steve30> its on at 6pm daily here
40:12 <Nothing\> so that was basically all i watched after school for almost 10 years
40:44 <Nothing\> yeah i was watching like 3-4 episodes every week day
41:00 <Nothing\> was never on syndication during the weekend for some reason thoug.
41:17 <steve30> Halcyon, https://i.redd.it/1r5qd1bf1p271.png
41:44 <Nothing\> I MIGHT catch it on FOX once in a blue moon on a saturday. But aside from the new episodes Sunday nights, it was rare to come by The Simpsons on the weekends
42:00 <T3sl4> gotta love capitalism
42:12 <steve30> it tends to be on on weekends here
43:19 <Nothing\> i wonder how many different shows filled that 8-10pm Sunday night slot with The Simpsons since it started airing on sunday evenings, which I'm not sure when that was
43:25 <Nothing\> but just think of them all
43:49 <Nothing\> and that was like, THE time slot on FOX
44:50 <Halcyon> Sorry I'm back
45:11 <Nothing\> no need for apologies
45:19 * Halcyon licks electrohead 
45:31 <electrohead> lol.. I was literally about to post a URL
45:33 <electrohead> https://github.com/pikvm/ustreamer
45:39 <electrohead> I've come across this before in the past
46:19 <electrohead> so, I found a decent solution to get a video feed streamed
46:22 <Halcyon> \o/
46:41 <electrohead> I just need a decent way to mount my DSLR camera somewhere, in the back
46:51 <Halcyon> You don't have a tripod?
46:58 <Halcyon> Apart from yourself of course
47:40 * alfbaz throughs a leg over
47:48 <Halcyon> Hehe
48:02 <alfbaz> throws :P
48:30 <alfbaz> I have an excuse, I just woke up
48:46 * Halcyon coffees alfbaz 
49:04 * alfbaz gets up to make one
50:40 <alfbaz> you wrote that and my brain literally went, Yeah!
51:01 <electrohead> I do, and have a few adapters, but don't have the correct adapter for how I want to mount it
51:02 <Halcyon> Hehehe, I bought more beans myself today
51:07 <electrohead> could always rig something up, though
51:08 <electrohead> that said
51:09 <T3sl4> think the only time i've streamed, i managed to use VLC to do it
51:10 <electrohead> https://www.ebay.com/itm/402357649262?hash=item5dae627f6e:g:iREAAOSwspZfMbAz
51:39 <Halcyon> electrohead, can we try a video call on Signal desktop just for shits and giggles?
51:43 <electrohead> I've heard a lot about those, and this following page was the inpiration to buy two of them - https://mtlynch.io/tinypilot/
52:24 <electrohead> the only 'computer' that has a monitor in the back room, is the r.pi on my table
52:32 <electrohead> the other servers/computers are headless
52:36 <Halcyon> Heh
52:41 <Halcyon> I meant on your phone
52:51 <electrohead> ahh, yeah I guess
52:54 <electrohead> lol
53:24 <alfbaz> electroheadless
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55:15 <Nothing> cool, OpenTTD is on Steam now
55:36 <Nothing> that's transport tycoon deluxe
55:37 <Nothing> and it's free
55:52 <Nothing> i never did learn to play that. Much as I wanted to.
57:08 Quit: Nothing\ (~Shmendrick@cpe9050ca20a183-cm9050ca20a180.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
58:04 <T3sl4> Nothing\ went off the rails
58:40 <alfbaz> hey, anybody here have an intel fpga account? I downloaded the worng vers of quartus and I'm trying to log on again to d/l the correct version but pressing "Sign In" does nothing. It's not the first time their sites gone wierd on me
59:31 <T3sl4> try clearing your site cookies/cache?
59:50 <alfbaz> yeah tried that and different browers
59:55 <alfbaz> brwosers
00:01 <T3sl4> bowsers
00:12 <alfbaz> a fuck you now what I mean :P
00:45 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/qxWFUE0.gif
01:21 * alfbaz quivers
02:11 <alfbaz> know FFS I'm having a bad day
02:57 Nick: Nothing is now known as Nothing\
03:02 <Nothing\> there we are
03:45 <Nothing\> you know, i wouldn't mind trying my hand at programming an FPGA
03:54 <T3sl4> it's okay, i'm making fun of the typo not you :P
04:05 <Halcyon> I saw electrohead's crotch on video
04:06 <Halcyon> :P
04:10 <Halcyon> Jealous ? :P
04:11 <T3sl4> you're welcome to laugh with it or take it personally, i can't help that i guess :P
04:12 <alfbaz> I think today would be a bad day to do any vhdl :P
04:21 <Nothing\> but i probably shouldn't buy an fpga devboard right after this other devboard i just got
04:41 <Nothing\> but yeah some sort of vhdl emulator or ide or something ya know
04:48 <Nothing\> i'd love to play with something like that
05:04 <Nothing\> where you can program a virtual fpga
05:42 <alfbaz> T3sl4, LOL I've learnt not to take myself, or much else too seriously these days
06:06 <T3sl4> :)
06:09 <Nothing\> actually there's a game i found a while back called MHRD where you use a hardware description language to solve various puzzles based on boolean logic
06:15 <Nothing\> like make an X gate
06:19 <Nothing\> or make an ALU
06:35 <Nothing\> make an ALU with an 8 bit bus
06:36 <Nothing\> etc
06:55 <Nothing\> it's pretty fun, and doesn't cost too much on steam, as i recall
07:11 <Nothing\> lol i think i have like 20 different programming games on steam
08:04 <Nothing\> remember back in the day when they had "hacking" games where the hacking was more like a minigame reminiscent of a hacking GUI you'd see in a movie
08:05 <Halcyon> Why you having a bad day alfbaz ?
08:18 <alfbaz> now that's something, putting the word fun and hdl in the same sentence
08:46 <Nothing\> alfbaz, i genuinely think learning VHDL would be fun
09:00 <Nothing\> i've never tried my hand at an HDL
09:04 <alfbaz> Halcyon on my last nightshift shift tonight and only getting 3 to 4 hours sleep
09:31 <alfbaz> ... and shit's breaking everywhere at work
09:37 <Halcyon> Ah
09:57 <alfbaz> I leave the best of me at work, which is a shame
10:10 <Nothing\> actually some sort of FPGA sim/emulator would be nice to play with
10:44 <Nothing\> but I guess you could probably get a dev board for a relatively decent price these days, huh
10:59 <Nothing\> like, $80-$100 for an entry level board?
11:06 <Nothing\> i'm just guessing
11:38 <alfbaz> Nothing\, good, go and see if you can d/l quatus II 13.1 web edition, let me know how you go :P
11:59 <Nothing\> the company that sells my 65C816 SBC also sells some FPGA SBCs or devboards or something. I'm not exactly sure what they are.
12:04 <Nothing\> But I should look into it.
12:11 <Nothing\> quatus you say
12:25 <Nothing\> well, atm i'm in no state to be learning anything
12:38 <Nothing\> and likely won't be for the next couple of days.
12:44 <alfbaz> quartus, but I joke. I'm having a hard time downloading it
12:49 <Nothing\> but we'll see what happens
12:55 <Nothing\> ah lol
13:41 <alfbaz> I dug up an old altium nanoboard 3000 with an altera chip on it
13:57 <alfbaz> and wanna play with it
14:00 <Nothing\> nice
14:05 <Nothing\> have at it, dude
14:39 <alfbaz> I actually picked it up off of somebody on the forum
14:41 <Nothing\> there's nothing i hate worse than finding something I wanna play with then watching as it collects dust on my desk for month after month after month
15:23 <alfbaz> I forgot I had it until the missus asked If I should throw it away :O
15:50 <Nothing\> i have a few logic chips i got that i did that with. I usually like to make a demo circuit with the chips before i file them away just to make sure they work and to learn a bit about how they work and such.
16:14 <Nothing\> but sometimes i just can't be bothered and they just end up sitting on my desk, collecting dust.
16:38 * Halcyon hugs alfbaz 
16:40 <Nothing\> lol alfbaz
17:01 <alfbaz> I cut my teeth with xilinx so I'm a little pissed this board is altera
17:05 <Nothing\> you ever try getting your wife interented in electronics?
17:42 <Nothing\> or at least giving her the jist of how they work
18:05 <alfbaz> she is surprisingly tolerant of my long winded explanations when she asks me what I'm doing
18:13 <Nothing\> my exwife was never very willing to learn about anything I experimented with
18:27 <Nothing\> alfbaz, that's awesome man.
18:52 <Nothing\> if there's one thing that makes me feel low, it's when i'm giving a long-winded explanation to somebody who doesn't care about it
19:25 <alfbaz> I asked her if she was willing to let me teach her coding and she said yes! but that was 2 years ago :c
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20:07 <alfbaz> especially when that person is my boss at work :o
20:17 <Nothing\> i love science and am absolutely passionate about it and spreading it. So if I get a chance to, I'll spread interesting science facts to everyone, young and old. But nothing makes me feel worse than knowing somebody I'm explaining something to just doesn't care.
20:38 <Nothing\> i know it sounds silly, but i guess it almost feels like a personal insult of sorts. But not exactly.
20:42 <alfbaz> lol, that's everyon I know
20:57 <Nothing\> alfbaz, teach her QB64
21:08 <Nothing\> it's a 64 bit port of QBasic
21:31 <alfbaz> Oh yeah, I nearly forgot all about basic
21:34 <Nothing\> lots of extra stuff added for modernmachines
21:46 <Nothing\> alfbaz, ah it's just like riding a bike lol
22:14 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://i.imgur.com/Gc6BwRB
22:20 <Nothing\> the knowledge is still there. You just need something to jar it loose.
22:22 <Lemon> this is so early
22:31 <Nothing\> Have you ever considered getting kicked in the head by a cow?
23:21 <alfbaz> My brother and I wrote a whole game using basic on a C64 back in the day... can't find the code for it anywhere, probably on a floppy disk somewhere
23:33 <Lemon> heh a fathers friend almost died due to a cow
23:42 <Lemon> it was a young one
23:43 <Nothing\> seriously though, I'm sure once you start getting into it, it'll all come back to you. The only thing you have to worry about is the syntax, since it seemed to be different for every version of basic on the market.
23:50 <alfbaz> holy cow man
24:36 <Nothing\> alfbaz, heh i tried coding on a c64 once, too. But once I got to line 40, I wasn't sure what to do. So my programs were always limited to 40 lines or less lol
24:45 <Halcyon> T3sl4, love it
24:51 <Nothing\> cuz i had nobody to help teach me or anything
25:11 <Nothing\> was too young to read or care about reading the manual
25:32 <alfbaz> Nothing\, same here. Back then there was no internet for the masses so it was books
25:39 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W0Pa6805lY
26:06 <Nothing\> it's a shame i didn't get any subscriptions to those magazines that had BASIC programs in them you could type into your computer from the magazine. You llearn a good bit of a language that way.
26:28 <T3sl4> oh that was cool, the YT page crashed just as he brought up the power cord
27:08 <T3sl4> Halcyon: also, i know someone who, growing up, thought that that would...work
27:09 <Nothing\> alfbaz, i was fortunate that i was born in 85, so the internet was JUST starting to come into popularity as I was getting old enough to explore computers more in depth
27:17 <T3sl4> suspect he'll get a kick out of that ;)
27:35 <Nothing\> but again, my learning sources for computers were almost non-exisant and i had no clue how to use the internet
28:46 <alfbaz> most of my digital source came on floppies taped to the front of popular magazines
29:26 <Halcyon> T3sl4, tell me he grew up?
29:39 <Nothing\> i had a brother who was 6 years my elder, so he got a whole... whatever you call those disk holders full of floppies with c64 games on them.
29:51 <T3sl4> Halcyon: yes, it was a long time ago :P
29:55 <Halcyon> :P
29:56 <Nothing\> you know, the ones you put floppies in and had a lock and key to it
30:08 <Nothing\> to store them
30:28 <alfbaz> Yeah I had a heap of those containers
30:36 <T3sl4> 5-1/4" floppies
30:39 <T3sl4> floppy floppies
30:42 <T3sl4> not save icons
30:54 <Halcyon> Who 3D printed the save icon?
30:55 <Halcyon> :P
31:37 <Nothing\> nowadays you can just back up all of your floppies to a thumb drive and run them from a virtual drive
31:55 <Nothing\> seemingly regardless of platform
32:13 <steve30> On the subject of 3d printed stuff, there were some 3d printed VLCs in the road earlier
32:14 <alfbaz> 5-1/4 was it for the c64 wasnt until I upgraded to an amiga that I got hard floppies
32:22 <alfbaz> :P
32:57 * steve30 pets his 40 track single sided 5.25" drive
33:02 <Nothing\> yup, 5.25 on c64
33:08 <alfbaz> VLC?
33:24 <Nothing\> i could never rememember if it was 5.5in or 3.5in or 3.25in or 5.25in
33:57 <alfbaz> Nothing\ big and small was how I remebered them :P
34:21 <Nothing\> alfbaz, imagine if you came across an 8in floppy
34:23 <Nothing\> lol
34:26 <Nothing\> "super"
34:41 <steve30> my old college teacher said he has some 8" floppy stuff
35:00 <Nothing\> i've never seen an 8in drive or disk
35:05 <Nothing\> lol i almost typed dinks
35:15 <alfbaz> lol, I remeber john holmes had an 8" floppy
35:20 <Halcyon> I have both drive and disks at work Nothing\
35:41 <Nothing\> Halcyon, right on. For what pupose?
35:42 <T3sl4> eight inch dicksks
35:46 <steve30> Do criminals tend to use floppies much these days?
35:56 <Halcyon> Nothing\, nothing, it's in a display case
35:58 <Nothing\> T3sl4, 8 inch floppy dicks
36:03 <T3sl4> ^
36:29 <Nothing\> steve30, nah, they just download the car directly off the internet these days
36:42 <Nothing\> no need to copy that floppy
36:49 <T3sl4> Halcyon, morbid curiosity, has image quality gone up over time in your, erm, line of work? (resolution, sharpness, format)?
36:53 <steve30> I'm now reminded of the time someone was selling an "Intel floppy dick controller" on ebay
36:58 <Halcyon> T3sl4, yep.
37:04 <T3sl4> i'm guessing it tracks everyday cameras
37:04 <Nothing\> lol steve30
37:12 <Halcyon> So much so we can actually get fingerprints from digital images now
37:25 <T3sl4> makes sense
37:38 <Halcyon> And its been tested in court. It works well.
37:49 <Nothing\> lol when i poke my ankle it leaves an impression in my skin that stays for several minutes
37:55 <Nothing\> it's like poking memory foam
38:06 <T3sl4> Nothing\: almost the opposite of dermographia
38:27 <Nothing\> T3sl4, peripheral edema
38:38 <T3sl4> that would do
38:50 <Halcyon> T3sl4, we also have software that can "identify" cameras and images based on individual CCD/CMOS characteristics
38:51 <Nothing\> likely caused by beetus, exacerbated by sedentary lifestyle
39:07 <T3sl4> huh
39:12 <Nothing\> but i just had an hour long walk, so that should get them lymphoids pumpin'
39:35 <T3sl4> Nothing\: as i recall there's no lymph circulation by itself, it's pumped by muscles, so that would matter
39:48 <steve30> Halcyon, that sounds quite feasable. In fact I'm surprised no one on Youtube has complained about my DSLR's dead pixels :)
39:51 <T3sl4> keep the blood flowing too, don't want to lose a toe
39:53 <Nothing\> figures, after beating diabetes a few years ago, i wound up getting it again lol
40:02 <Nothing\> i got diagnosed again a few weeks ago
40:19 <Nothing\> T3sl4, is it really? huh
40:39 <Nothing\> yeah come to think of it, i'm not entirely familiar with the mechanics of lymph circulation
41:00 <Nothing\> but it doesn't seem nearly as strong as cardiovascular circulation
41:55 <Nothing\> like how lymphatic fluids build up if you leave an extremity in a low position for a prolonged period of time is in the case of people getting swollen legs from setting all day.
42:24 <Halcyon> My cardiovascular system is perhaps too strong, I've got high blood pressure
42:32 <Nothing\> or how it distributes more evenly throughout body tissue in astronauts so they get a more puffy appearance than under 1G
42:37 <Halcyon> Probably should look at that
43:11 <Nothing\> Halcyon, beta blockers would probably be prescribed. Which honestly as far as medications go, are super benign.
43:56 <Halcyon> Probably
44:17 <Halcyon> I should go see a doctor, it has been creeping up for years. I have a family history of it too
44:21 <Nothing\> i take one for my anxiety, propranolol and aside from an inhumanly low heart rate when i'm on it that dips below 45, i have no side effects.
44:31 <Nothing\> even from the low heart rate.
44:46 <steve30> I've used beta blockers for anxiety before.
44:59 <Nothing\> steve30, what was your experience?
45:26 <Nothing\> ime, it was effective at first, but quickly lost its effectiveness. Especially once clonazepam was prescribed.
45:28 <steve30> It kinda-sorta helped with the physical symptoms of anxiety
45:35 <Nothing\> yeah exactly
45:39 <Nothing\> it's hard to say really
45:49 <Nothing\> you have to not be thinking about it at the time
46:04 <Nothing\> which makes it difficult to gauge the efficacy
46:10 <Halcyon> I'd be in the pre-hypertensive category
46:17 <Nothing\> at least subjectively
46:47 <Nothing\> Halcyon, one thing you might want to bring up with your doctor is the possibility of taking psyllium fiber on a daily basis
46:58 <Nothing\> it does wonders to lower bad cholesterol
47:08 <Nothing\> not to mention, it keeps you regular
47:08 <Halcyon> My cholesterol levels are good
47:22 <Nothing\> ah, mine are shite
47:23 <Halcyon> My LDL levels are low
47:36 <T3sl4> just don't eat sandwiches of em ;)
47:48 <Halcyon> I eat a lot of eggs so my HDL is normal to high
48:27 <Halcyon> Plus food here (even takeaway) isn't generally laden with extreme amounts of bad fat
48:29 <steve30> i've pretty much given up on medical treatments. I started the process of stopping my anti-depressants 6 months ago, and haven't had one at all for about a month.
48:34 <Nothing\> one thing i try to do is if i eat food with visible grease on it, i'll blot the grease off with a napkin or tissue
48:42 <Halcyon> Even McDonalds here is pretty reasonable (I wouldn't eat it every day however)
48:43 <Nothing\> cuz you think about it, that grease is pure fat
49:06 <Nothing\> and every 14 grams of that grease you remove from your food is 1 hour less of exercise
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49:24 <Nothing\> low to moderate level exercise
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49:45 <Kuschelpony> good morning you all
49:48 <steve30> i think i'll go to bed soon
49:53 <steve30> o/
49:58 <Nothing\> it takes half an hour of moderate level exercise to burn an ounce of fat according to these physics lectures i watched once.
50:09 * T3sl4 gives steve30 a coffere-scented duvet
50:17 <Nothing\> something like playing basketball or football
50:24 <Nothing\> (european football)
50:33 * electrohead waves at steve30
50:43 <T3sl4> i think of it this way, an ounce of grease is two ounces of carbs i don't have to eat :P
51:10 <Nothing\> there ya go
51:17 <T3sl4> not to an extreme of course, but it just means i eat less food when it's rich
51:36 <T3sl4> or i eat less often, but that i think is the real gotcha that many people fall to
51:38 <Nothing\> ugh i just remembered the video on LA Beast where he drank a gallon of canola oil
51:41 <Nothing\> ughh
52:06 <Nothing\> he was literally leaking from his anus for the next couple of days and ruined his shorts
52:12 <T3sl4> fatty diarrhea, nothx
52:19 <Nothing\> his ass just kept leaking canola oil uncontrollably
52:25 <Nothing\> lol yeah
52:29 <steve30> lol
52:38 <T3sl4> i wonder if that actually shocks cholesterol out of your body because it's being dragged out of you
52:45 <Nothing\> at least his body didn't absorb all of thta fat and those calories
53:07 <Nothing\> T3sl4, you think there's a sort of osmotic effect going on?
53:22 <Nothing\> i thought osmosis didn't apply to oils because they're not polar
53:35 <T3sl4> depends, i know the body is very efficient at recovering cholesterol (major component of bile)
53:45 <Nothing\> but then i always just assumed osmosis was down to partial charges
53:54 <Nothing\> in terms of the mechanism
53:58 <T3sl4> it's simply the inverse of washing something with soap, soap emulsifies fats making them suspend in water
54:21 <T3sl4> an excess of oil would suspend water and surfactants (bile) in it, and the rapid movement drains it away
54:43 <Nothing\> so then technically, one could wash their hands with vomit
54:44 <T3sl4> osmosis works for anything but isn't needed here i don't think
54:44 <Nothing\> lol
54:55 <Nothing\> ah, i didn't know that
54:55 <T3sl4> if you're having bilious vomit i guess
55:11 <Nothing\> love the term bilious
55:16 <Nothing\> very victorian
55:43 <Nothing\> though probably dates back many hundreds or thousands of years prior
55:59 <T3sl4> or eggs, like if i'm whisking eggs or pancakes, the bowl gets pretty darn clean on its own just from rinsing and wiping
56:34 <T3sl4> there's usually a bit of oil left though that needs a proper soaping, otherwise i suppose you could get away with putting it back in the cupboard
56:42 <Nothing\> cuz the lecithin forms an emulsion with any fats present
57:04 <T3sl4> ye
57:17 <Nothing\> emulsions are cool
58:26 <Nothing\> i've always liked the idea of micelles and self assembling structurse like phospholipid bilayers etc
58:41 <Nothing\> mycele? sp?
58:47 <T3sl4> they're kinda helpful
58:52 <T3sl4> micelle
59:01 <Nothing\> looks like michelle
59:17 <Nothing\> but yeah, i don't think we'd be in a very good way without them lol
00:09 <Nothing\> although, our bones don't have them. So it's not like you'd just fall into a pile of mush. You'd still have bones.
00:28 <Nothing\> and probably some other connective tissues
01:49 <T3sl4> well, you can wash away the cellular contents, you're left with ICM, and yes all that stuff
02:07 <T3sl4> i wonder how hollow bones are after that, marrow must not have much connective tissue in it
02:14 <T3sl4> or the ICM is really low density?
03:02 <Nothing\> it's weird to think that everything we are, who we are, all of our experiences, our memories, our perceptions, our entire life, self and your being as a whole is nothing more than some electrical signals sent by chemicals
03:28 <T3sl4> huh, i guess it's "extracellular" more commonly
03:42 <Nothing\> T3sl4, it would depend on the type of animal and where the bone came from
03:55 <T3sl4> well, it takes a lot of molecules to make a me, that can encode an awful lot of information
03:59 <Nothing\> like some have a lattice type structure
04:20 <T3sl4> i mean marrow in mammalian long bones
04:56 <Nothing\> i believe marrow itself is considered a connective tissue
05:20 <Nothing\> i know blood is considered a connective tissue, oddly enough. So I'd imagine marrow would fall into that category as well.
05:34 <Nothing\> being the progenitor of a connective tissue.
06:22 <Nothing\> i mean, my statement about marrow being a connective tissue is just speculation. So I'd encourage you to look deeper.
06:53 <T3sl4> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_marrow
06:54 <Nothing\> but i know with fairly high certainty that blood is a connective tissue
06:55 <EEVBot> [Title] - Bone marrow - Wikipedia
06:59 <Nothing\> which is weird
07:13 <T3sl4> oh, i guess it's mostly everywhere else, long bones yes but more in the spongy sites in other major bones
07:24 <Nothing\> it doesn't even seem like the word tissue would apply to blood
07:59 <Nothing\> huh
08:10 <Nothing\> man, you ever see a bone marrow transplant?
08:18 <Nothing\> that gives me the willies
08:34 <T3sl4> it doesn't sound pleasant
08:50 <Nothing\> I'm usually fine watching medical videos. But watching a guy get a spike stuck through his hip bone was just... ICK!
08:59 <Nothing\> it gives me the horribles
10:06 <Nothing\> and the only anesthetic he got was lidocaine where they'd advance the lidocaine needle until it his the bone, THEN start injecting.
10:25 <Nothing\> actually T3sl4 one thing you might find interesting is intra-asseous infusion
10:57 <T3sl4> wouldn't that be rectal
11:46 <Nothing\> in children, if they can't establish an IV line, they'll do intraosseous where they drill into the leg bone and stick a catheter in the leg bone just like in an IV
11:54 <Nothing\> T3sl4, nah that's just intrarectal
12:11 <Nothing\> osseous means bone. Like ossification
12:19 <T3sl4> check what you wrote :P
12:26 <Nothing\> hrm
12:41 <Nothing\> tata
12:43 <Nothing\> haha
12:49 <Nothing\> intra-asseous
12:55 <T3sl4> assification
12:59 <Nothing\> that's a great freudian slip if ever there was one
13:16 <Nothing\> hey
13:18 <Nothing\> T3sl4,
13:26 <Nothing\> what'd the urologist tell his patient?
13:33 <T3sl4> what?
13:37 <Nothing\> urine trouble
13:55 <T3sl4> what did the doctor say to the man whose head got stuck up his ass?
13:59 <T3sl4> rectum damn near killed him
14:10 <Nothing\> lol
14:19 <Nothing\> i always wondered what the set up to that joke was
14:43 <Nothing\> i always heard it was like a punchline without a setup. So the punchline IS the joke
16:32 <T3sl4> i'm not sure what a more common setup is, but that works
16:42 <Nothing\> the first time i heard it was watching Beverly Hills Ninja. That Chris Farley movie where he's a white ninja and hijinks ensue
17:01 <Nothing\> actually, i think either that, or that movie with matthew parrey was his last one
17:21 <Nothing\> T3sl4, it's the best i've ever heard
17:36 <Nothing\> i've only ever heard the punchline lol
25:05 <Nothing\> oh cool, one of the games on my Steam Wishlist is on sale for $2. I love it when that happens.
25:30 <Nothing\> not even sure what game this is, but for $2, I can't lose.
25:54 <T3sl4> https://frinkiac.com/caption/S12E09/1242658
25:55 <EEVBot> [Title] - Frinkiac - Simpsons Meme & GIF Generator
27:28 <Halcyon> Heh
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27:56 <alfbaz> finally, intel let me in. Turns out unless you select usa as you region from the drop down the sign in screen does jack! I hope it's a different HR team hiring the the fpga guys and the web design huys
28:00 <alfbaz> guys
28:27 <Halcyon> What's wrong with just an FTP site?
28:39 <Nothing\> Charge. Never heard of this game.
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28:57 <T3sl4> Halcyon: not enough trackers
29:02 <Nothing\> But it's about electricity puzzles, and insanely cheap. So I can't go wrong.
29:03 <Halcyon> True
29:04 <Nothing\> right?
29:15 <alfbaz> Couldn't tell you anything about that Halcyon. As far as their website goes there seems to only be the one spot to d/l
29:27 <Halcyon> Dell is just as bad
29:41 <Nothing\> dude
29:46 <Nothing\> you're getting a Dell!
29:46 <Halcyon> I went looking for firmware the other day, you think that it would be listed under their support page? Nope.
29:56 <Nothing\> I'm so sorry! :(
29:58 <Halcyon> Nah we use them at work (unfortunately)
30:14 <Halcyon> It wasn't my choice. Some numpty decided they were a good idea
30:16 <Nothing\> should have been the appendix to Dell's catch phrase
30:17 <Halcyon> I use Lenovo at home
30:30 <Halcyon> (Thinkpad)
30:49 <Nothing\> imo the bottom of the barrel was compaq
30:50 <Halcyon> Sorry, I should clarify, our "corporate SOE" is based on Acer hardware
30:54 <Halcyon> We had to "fight" for Dell
31:00 <Nothing\> they were such a bitch to repair
31:13 <Nothing\> you had to take them half way apart just to access the HDD
31:39 <Halcyon> Our desktops are HP Z-series workstations, which are WAAAAAAY overpriced in my opinion
32:24 <alfbaz> Z as in mobo chipset?
32:54 <Halcyon> HP Z840 I think
34:21 <Halcyon> I think when new they were something like $13k per machine
35:11 <alfbaz> looking now. Seems they've halved in proce for top of the line in the series
35:18 <alfbaz> price
35:22 <Halcyon> Yeh the new Z8's are out
35:35 <Halcyon> Our ones are still in warranty so they aren't getting replaced anytime soon
36:01 <Halcyon> Meanwhile, my Thinkpad P1 Gen2 performs almost as well at my desktop at work
36:12 <Halcyon> At half the price
37:55 <alfbaz> hey you're into server type stuff, is there any benifit to be had going super multicore for a single user or am I better off just going for an ultra speedy gamimg machine for cad/3d work?
38:10 <Halcyon> For a desktop machine?
38:13 <alfbaz> yeah
38:28 <Halcyon> For gaming, you generally want GPU grunt
38:41 <Nothing\> what they need to do
38:41 <Halcyon> Probably the same for CAD (I don't use CAD)
38:44 <Nothing\> is make a care
38:49 <Nothing\> *car
38:54 <Nothing\> that's also a solar panel
39:03 <Nothing\> BOOM world energy problems solved
39:33 <Halcyon> Also, depends on the OS... I assume Windows?
39:36 <alfbaz> Funnily enough the main cad package I use doesn;t take advantage of the gpu
40:17 <Halcyon> Personally, if I could buy my laptop with an AMD GPU, I would have, as much as it pains me to say that
40:34 <Halcyon> But if you're using Windows, Intel or AMD with an NVIDIA or AMD GPU will do fine
40:41 <Nothing\> car's powered by solar cell, regenerative braking charges batteries which are used in the infrastructure through inductive coupling and boom
40:46 <Nothing\> no more energy problem
40:57 <Nothing\> see, anyone can do an elon musk
41:06 <Nothing\> or "musk" as i call it
41:13 <alfbaz> I like my lappy a lot but for serious work I couldn't go woth a multi monitor desktop
41:26 <alfbaz> without
41:47 <Halcyon> I use my laptop with a dock and just connect it to a single 4K monitor
41:56 <Halcyon> Before that, I used to use 2x HD monitors
42:25 <Halcyon> The ultimate question is, how much do you want to spend?
42:35 <Nothing\> i just have a desktop that connects to a TV
42:56 <Nothing\> though the TV probably doesn't do the 1660TI i have in it justice
43:00 <alfbaz> I'd have to do a comparison with my needed programs running and thats a hard thing to do
43:11 <Nothing\> i know i'm not getting the greatest framerate, for one
43:35 <Halcyon> There are a lot of variables involved. You really need to research your workflow and see what works best
43:49 <Halcyon> For example, on my Windows 7 machine, I find my stuff works better with HT turned off
44:00 <Nothing\> and somebody said something about the colorspace. But it's low priority stuff for my atm.
44:00 <Halcyon> As I don't need that pre-emptive, multiple core stuff
44:02 <alfbaz> budget would be around 5k but it would have to be future proof as far as practicable
44:19 <Nothing\> i spent $2k on my computer a few months ago
44:27 <Halcyon> Do you need portability alfbaz ?
44:30 <Halcyon> Or just a desktop?
44:49 <Nothing\> wish there was a m00 script for hexchat
44:54 <Halcyon> M00 ?
45:24 <Nothing\> yeah it was an old mircscript that would post your computer's specs to the channel
45:30 <alfbaz> No not at the moment so a desktop would be fine. Laptops would be ok for reviewing but not for designing... I think
45:57 <Halcyon> alfbaz, we could talk offline. I have wholesaler accounts so I can get a lot of stuff for cheaper.
45:59 <Nothing\> it really streamlined pissing contests lol
46:53 <Nothing\> sorry i feel like i've gone and interrupted something i wasn't meant to be part of here
47:01 <Halcyon> Not at all Nothing\
47:31 <alfbaz> Halcyon, If you can give me a month or two I woould like to talk, need to spend money on the shed at the moment :P
47:33 <Nothing\> good stuff
47:49 <Nothing\> i still need to find a damn game to play or something to keep my occupied
48:21 <Halcyon> alfbaz, no probs, hit me up whenever you like. I can spec something up for you. Happy to give you mates rates. My company doesn't make profit off hardware.
48:43 <Nothing\> not easy when i have 30gb free and not very much money disposable cash left.
48:50 <alfbaz> Excellent Halcyon, very much appreciated
48:52 <Halcyon> We normally add 15% to the cost of hardware, but I normally sell what I know, rather than what I can flogg
49:12 <Halcyon> Nothing\, can I send you some hard drives?
49:22 <Nothing\> lol why?
49:26 <Halcyon> Why not?
49:31 <Halcyon> I have drives, you need space
49:41 <Nothing\> oh for that lol
49:49 <Nothing\> there isn't any room for an HDD in this computer
50:00 <Nothing\> for some reason they neglected to include a drive bay in it
50:00 <alfbaz> Halcyon, I'm kind of glad I'm not up to speed on what you flogg :P
50:11 <Halcyon> :P
50:16 <Nothing\> all there is is a tiny box that my SSD is mounted in
50:24 <Halcyon> Wouldn't want to make you jealous
50:34 <alfbaz> LMFAO
50:47 <Halcyon> But seriously, aside from my day job, I run a networking company
50:53 <Nothing\> when i stuck the HDD from my old computer in this one, i wound up cramming it in the little nook inside the box the SSD's mounted on
51:05 <Halcyon> I sell my networking/cyber skills as opposed to actual hardware
51:13 <Halcyon> I am not interested in being a retail store (as such)
51:15 <Nothing\> which was originally full of wires, but now i've just got the wires going all over
51:33 <alfbaz> Halcyon, ahh that explains your desire for a shack
51:36 <Nothing\> this case looks nice, but it's utterly useless
51:47 <Halcyon> My house is my shack :P
51:52 <Halcyon> No wife you see
51:53 <Halcyon> Hahaha
51:56 <alfbaz> :p
52:14 <Halcyon> Being gay has its advantages
52:16 <Nothing\> the expansion ports of the mobo are blocked by the PSU, there are no drive bays. Only room for a single SSD
52:28 <alfbaz> why do you think mine is allowing the spend on myine
52:34 <Halcyon> Nothing\, what about an NVMe drive on an PCIe card?
52:44 <Halcyon> alfbaz, no idea?
53:26 <Nothing\> Halcyon, lol there have been times where i've genuinely wished i was gay just for the stereotypical advantages. Like having nice products for my skin and hair and having a clean apartment and stuff like that. You know what I mean.
53:37 <Nothing\> The sort of stuff that straight guys think gay guys get
53:39 <Halcyon> You could have that?
53:46 <Halcyon> Just fucking do it :P
53:50 <Nothing\> yeah but i'm not gay
53:54 <Halcyon> So?
53:58 <Nothing\> i can't do it if i'm not gay
54:04 <Halcyon> You can still look after your skin and have nice things
54:09 <Halcyon> Bullshit
54:17 <Halcyon> You are just making excuses
54:25 <Nothing\> lol sorry i was kinda pulling your leg there
54:34 <Halcyon> :P
54:38 <Nothing\> but i was serious about the first bit
54:39 <Halcyon> Asshole
54:50 <Nothing\> i really did wish i was gay for that same reason
54:58 <Halcyon> Oh honestly, being gay is the best thing about me. I love it so much.
55:09 <Halcyon> It helps that I have a brain too
55:53 <Nothing\> it's not so much that i can't get those things. It's that I'm cursed with mental quirks and issues which make getting these things more difficult. So I feel like if I were gay, I have more the type of personality I wish I had.
56:09 <Halcyon> What is stopping you?
56:12 <Nothing\> clean, sensitive, sociable, stuff like that
56:19 <Halcyon> You don't have to sleep with guys to achieve what you want
56:23 <Nothing\> Halcyon, it's just not in my personality i guess
56:30 <Nothing\> i mean, sure i can change things
56:36 <Halcyon> So? MAKE it part of your personality
56:41 <Nothing\> but it just reverts back in a couple of weeks. you know what i mean.
56:45 <Nothing\> changing is easy.
56:49 <Halcyon> If you want something, then grab it
56:51 <Nothing\> staying changed is hard as hell.
57:04 <Halcyon> I don't know what you mean?
57:26 <Nothing\> Halcyon, do you smoke or have any sort of addictions?
57:31 <Halcyon> Nope
57:35 <Nothing\> hrm
57:40 <Nothing\> well what i mean is
57:55 <Nothing\> it's easy to make the initial change and start acting the way you want, right
58:00 <Halcyon> Sure
58:04 <alfbaz> Isn't that clean thing just a stereotype, I know a few gays' that can be hardly be considered tidy freaks
58:06 <Nothing\> but it's REALLY difficult to keep that up
58:16 <Nothing\> and it gets harder and harder as time goes by
58:31 <Halcyon> alfbaz, yeh pretty much. Some gays are just incapable of looking after themselves
58:48 <Halcyon> Nothing\, it becomes difficult because you make it difficult
58:56 <Halcyon> And the longer it goes on, the harder it gets
59:09 <Nothing\> i feel like if my personality was different, it would be more nurturing for the sorts of qualities I wish I'd have.
59:12 <Halcyon> I mean, I'm not perfect, but I have rules I set myself in life
59:15 <alfbaz> You should see our mates place. He and his partner are practically pigs :P
59:47 <Halcyon> For example, one big rule I live by is: Everything has a home and if it doesn't then it goes in the bin
59:47 <Nothing\> for me, it boils down to a lack of motivation
00:06 <Halcyon> The motivation I have is that I like to invite people over all the time and entertain
00:17 <Nothing\> heh Halcyon everything would be in the bin except my furniture if that was the case
00:18 <Halcyon> I want things to be tidy and smell good (including me)
00:28 <alfbaz> Yeah one of my fav rules but it conflicts with my hoarding gene :P
00:42 <Nothing\> i have horrible hoarding tendencies
00:55 <Halcyon> You can hoard, as long as it's organised :P You should see my vintage tech collection. Everything has it's own labelled box.
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01:35 <alfbaz> LOL, when ever I hear labels I hear Sheldon :P
01:38 <Nothing\> broken zip tie "oh I could use it to tie something up. Or melt the ends together closed
01:51 <Halcyon> Yeh... no... that's crap Nothing\
01:58 <Halcyon> That shit goes in the bin
02:13 <Nothing\> Halcyon, i think organization is differentiated from hoarding by categorization
02:48 <Nothing\> Halcyon, yeah i've never actually done THAT but it's an example of the sort of mindset I have sometimes. Ya know?
02:51 <Halcyon> I have no box for "used cable ties"
02:56 <Halcyon> That shouldn't exist
03:23 <Nothing\> lol
03:37 <Halcyon> Aside from my storage/server room, I'm a minimalist
03:44 <alfbaz> One box wouldn;t be enough as cable ties come in different sizes :P
03:44 <Nothing\> yeah it's like my brain goes to these crazy lengths to rationalize keeping garbage
03:48 <Halcyon> I don't like clutter in my kitchen or living rooms
05:21 <Halcyon> Also alfbaz, I'm still curious about this comment: <alfbaz> why do you think mine is allowing the spend on myine
05:25 <Halcyon> Explain
05:38 <Nothing\> like i have boxes of PCBs. What do they do? I have no clue. Why do I have them? brain says i could reverse engineer them and learn some stuff. Realistically they're probably just gonna collect dust for the next 20 years
05:58 <Halcyon> Then toss them Nothing\ and fill the box with something more useful ?
06:15 <Nothing\> i probably should
06:42 <Nothing\> or my brain feels like there might be a bit of really useful kit on one of those boards.
06:52 <Halcyon> Treat storage like a commodity
06:53 <Nothing\> But again, that's just the rationalizing
06:55 <Halcyon> Assign a value to it
07:05 <Halcyon> If it's worth fuck all, then do something better with it
07:18 <Nothing\> i watched a video about that today
07:46 <Nothing\> how people sorta turn daily activities into games, or at least add game mechanics to their every day activities to make them less tedious
08:01 <Nothing\> which I think would be awesome if it was done the right way
08:05 <Halcyon> Sure, if that's what works for you
08:08 <Halcyon> I don't play games
08:18 <alfbaz> Halcyon, we were talking about shacks and you said your whole house was one cause you didn't have a missus. I then meant to say Why do you think My missus is allowing me to spend money on my outside one, so I can get this shit out of the house
08:20 <Nothing\> Halcyon, i think it works basically like a skinner box
08:23 <Halcyon> I just do what "has" to be done
08:40 <Halcyon> alfbaz, makes sense :P
08:44 <Nothing\> you do something good in life, you get rewarded with a token that makes you happy
08:56 <Nothing\> the more good you do, the more happiness you get
09:02 <alfbaz> + she gets another room to decorate :P
09:03 <Halcyon> I just like tidiness and uniformity
09:07 <Halcyon> That's what makes me happy
09:33 <Nothing\> i'm the complete opposite
09:44 <Nothing\> i'm a total pig
09:51 <Halcyon> Even my spice jars have the same size label and font
09:56 <Nothing\> if I didn't share my place with my mom, it would probably be in ruins
09:59 <Halcyon> It would bug me if they were different
10:15 <Nothing\> but thankfully we have her hoardes of books lining the walls to keep my electronics at bay lol
10:33 <Nothing\> seriously, there are 7 book cases down here
10:43 <Halcyon> Do they ever get read?
10:49 <Nothing\> including stephen king's entire collection
10:56 <Nothing\> Halcyon, somehow, yeah
11:03 <Halcyon> Well that's fine then
11:08 <Nothing\> my mom reads or has read them all
11:19 <Halcyon> I like that
11:29 <Halcyon> I wish I had a library, like in Myst
11:29 <Nothing\> yeah she's huge on reading
11:39 <Nothing\> i wish i had myst
11:51 <Nothing\> theres' probably a GOG version somewhere
12:01 <Halcyon> I can send you the orginal ISO ?
12:06 <Nothing\> or something on steam
12:25 <Nothing\> i appreciate the gesture, but that's quite alright. Thanks.
12:34 <Halcyon> Suit yourself
12:39 <Nothing\> I'll probably end up either pirating it or downloading it on steam
13:02 <Halcyon> I wish I lived on a real Myst island
13:39 <alfbaz> I think I found a trigger that causes my missus to ask me annoying questions... It's the sound of fingers typing on a keyboard :P
14:02 <Nothing\> here are, myst, masterpiece edition and just like i called it, it's from GoG
14:03 <Halcyon> alfbaz, let me guess... "What are you doing? Why haven't you taken the bins out?"
14:48 <alfbaz> even worse, she want's to tell me all about shit dickheads down the road did or are saying
14:55 <Halcyon> Who cares?
15:03 <alfbaz> not me
15:14 <Halcyon> Let dickheads be dickheads, as long as they don't impact you
17:02 <Halcyon> My sister used to live in Koonawarra. I used to give her shit and say it's basically Dap-do (Dapto)
17:53 <alfbaz> Not dickheads per se merely ppl, you know generic ppl, dickheads :P
18:02 <Halcyon> Copy
18:59 <alfbaz> I now live in Bezerkeley (Berkeley)
19:09 <Halcyon> Hahahah
19:14 <Halcyon> Nice one
20:18 <Halcyon> Just up the road
20:34 <Halcyon> And I meant to say Kanahooka, not Koonawarra
20:35 <alfbaz> serene one minute, berserk the next
20:41 <Halcyon> Always get those two confused
21:27 <alfbaz> yeah that and they're next to each other (Koonawarra and Kanahooka)
21:41 <Halcyon> She lives in Coota (Cootamundra) now
22:59 <alfbaz> wow that's far from the ocean, I don't think I could cope without seeing it every day
23:19 <Halcyon> I live in the bush myself. I love the serenity
24:13 <Halcyon> https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/76620439/hows-the-serenity-so-much-serenity.jpg
29:33 <alfbaz> costanza "Serenity now!"
29:41 <Halcyon> Hehehe
29:55 <Halcyon> Never really got into Seinfeld
30:01 <Halcyon> I mean I've seen it... but meh
30:07 <Halcyon> I was more of a Will & Grace guy
31:41 <alfbaz> Took me ages to get into it, wasn't until one of my brothers gave me a vhs video with a bunch of taped episodes Tha got me hooked. Come to think of it that was my first binge watching experience
32:38 <Lemon> hmmm I found this seller that seems to sell lots of old stock components
32:42 <Lemon> and he sells this https://www.ebay.fr/itm/372308132599?hash=item56af4b42f7:g:lI8AAOSwcMJgn2Bm
32:44 <EEVBot> [Title] - 3PCS nouveau LT1001A MOT 9126+ CAN-3 | eBay
36:25 <alfbaz> Damn it, you got me excited for a minute. Saw LT and a bunc of zero's for 7 bucks and thought they where lt1007's for a second
51:21 <alfbaz> gotta help with dinner, I'll catch you all later
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10:40 <Lemon> I mean, lt1001ach for 11 bucks delivered
10:42 <Lemon> 3 of them
10:50 <Lemon> according to the seller they are "refurbished"
10:55 <Lemon> I think he means old stock
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18:43 <Halcyon> T3sl4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtNm9Q-MwkA
18:45 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Overrun by cute birds! Kookaburras and a magpie.
18:51 <Halcyon> Outdoor birbs, inside
19:10 <T3sl4> inviting that much wildlife can't be a good idea
19:47 <Halcyon> They are so cute though
20:01 <T3sl4> humans are weird
20:12 <Halcyon> But.... birrrrrbs
20:51 * T3sl4 poops white gunk on Halcyon's head
21:35 <Halcyon> I get enough of that from Jerry
21:58 <T3sl4> hah
22:38 <Halcyon> Bird are the best though. Like dogs.
23:07 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/x7R26u1.gifv
23:08 <EEVBot> [Title] - Dog spots a deer
23:30 <Halcyon> Nawwwwww
23:45 <Halcyon> Look how happy
25:51 <T3sl4> i love how you can literally see it go from thinking "oh no what is that" to "is weird doggo? can sniff fren?"
30:58 <Halcyon> Hahaha yep
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15:39 <T3sl4> EEVBot: shut up
15:40 <EEVBot> T3sl4: nega-tory, ghost rider!
16:21 <Halcyon> I'm going to bed
27:21 <T3sl4> cheers :P
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45:12 <Lemon> can somebody take a look at 7:11 ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTu3LwpF6XI
45:13 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Making logic gates from transistors
45:20 <Lemon> on the right, the OR gate
45:33 <Lemon> why is he using 3 resistors ? I dont get it
45:41 <Lemon> why not just two ?
45:45 <Lemon> or even one ? for the led
50:12 * T3sl4 squeezes a few Lemons together
51:09 <T3sl4> you need base current limiting resistors, and a current limiting resistor for the LED
51:51 <T3sl4> it was covered at the beginning of the video it looks like
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33:24 <Lemon> hooo ok !
33:27 <Lemon> seems I missed it then
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23:58 <Reg7805> hello everyone
24:28 <Reg7805> does anybody have k8200 3d printer?
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59:27 <Reg7805> hello
02:20 <Ampera> hello
02:33 <Reg7805> way someone is here
02:46 <Reg7805> how you doing?
02:58 <Ampera> not sure how, I think I just figure it out somehow
03:41 <Reg7805> do you know about 3d printers?
03:50 <Ampera> a bit
04:16 <Reg7805> i have an valleman k8200 3d printer
04:26 <Ampera> good for you
04:26 <Reg7805> but missing the hot end assembly
05:17 <Reg7805> read about 3d3 v6
05:30 <Reg7805> but for the printer
05:45 <Reg7805> its bit confusing,
07:32 <Reg7805> i would like to put on new hot end assembly and proablly extruder becuase of the missing hot end assembly
07:51 <Reg7805> do you know anything about this?
08:28 <Ampera> nope
08:32 <Reg7805> or IRC chat where i can ask this kind of stuff
08:39 <Ampera> do I look like google to you?
09:57 <Reg7805> im just having hard time finding information about this pirtucular printer becuase a lot stuff is wiped from the internet
10:21 <Reg7805> dead links everywere
12:26 <rust_collector> so, what do you need to know about it?
17:24 <Reg7805> i really think i need compelete guide on ateempting to replace my hotend assembly and extruder for k8200 becuase i have never i had 3d printer before
17:59 <rust_collector> did you find the assembly manual for your printer?
19:07 <rust_collector> I think you can use almost any parts you can find for 3d printers, you just have to adjust the settings in software.
19:18 <rust_collector> http://www.k8200.eu/downloads/0/assembly/assembly_manual_k8200_uk.pdf
19:22 <Reg7805> yes i did i have been reading on it, the problem is the hot end assembly is very expensive
20:22 <Reg7805> and read on the internet hot end assembly is not very good anyways
20:33 <rust_collector> yes, so it is a velleman. but I bet you can use whatever cheap chinese parts you want to, as long as you can make them bolt in place, and they are at the same voltage and power level
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22:56 <Reg7805> ok, i haved in mind to use copy of the 3d3 v6 with titan extruder
23:26 <Reg7805> with 1.75mm filament on 12V
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32:10 <rust_collector> I do not know much about the details of those things, but they are pretty basic machines. as long as the software allows you to adjust things, so the machine believes it has the original parts, it should be fine. But try to find the power rating also, as I don't know how much more power the control board can supply?
32:47 <Kuschelpony> good evening
32:55 <rust_collector> hey Kuschelpony
33:11 <Kuschelpony> Hello rustcollector
34:00 <Reg7805> well i think i will repalce it with cheap copy 3d3 v6 hotend assembly and keep the original extuder for now, so i can get it up and running
34:28 <Reg7805> just trying to figure out now if the 3d3 v6 takes 3mm filament
35:20 <Reg7805> i beleive the software is open source so i should be fine.
41:49 <Kuschelpony> i have to ask you all to excuse me how i posted the past days much too much about my personal issues
42:13 <Kuschelpony> now i have found the explanation, its called "Autistic Regression"
42:39 <Kuschelpony> i try to focus purely on tech issues here and be silent otherwise
42:43 <Kuschelpony> thanks for reading
43:32 <rust_collector> meh, we all have our issues, if you need to say something about it, then just do it.
45:29 <Kuschelpony> i already did the past week or so
47:24 <rust_collector> and everyone is still alive.
51:26 <Kuschelpony> just to say i do not have suicide wishes, my mind is rational enough to say then i would finally hav no more chance for a fulfiling life
52:34 <rust_collector> that seems to be correct
14:45 * electrohead yawns and waves
27:56 <Ampera> caffeine is so good
28:13 * Ampera passes around some black tea
32:11 * electrohead sips on a monster
32:18 <electrohead> err, energy drink
32:27 <electrohead> I got it for free, lol
32:36 <Ampera> I've never had an energy drink
32:40 <Ampera> I don't think I'll change that any time soon
32:50 <Ampera> I pretty much only drink water, and occasionally tea
32:54 <Ampera> and if I'm out to eat, soda
33:18 <coppice> I mostly drink water, usually with a little tea dissolved in it
33:20 <Ampera> I think my abundant consumption of water is why my teeth haven't fallen out yet
34:18 <coppice> that, and not upsetting people bigger than you
34:51 * electrohead pollutes coppice's tea with milk and sugar
35:04 <coppice> that's nasty
35:06 <Ampera> honey > sugar
35:08 <electrohead> :P
35:37 <electrohead> I've never did the milk thing with tea, but do know that some weird folk out yonder, do that
36:30 <coppice> electrohead: a mark of the truly uncultured is adding milk to Earl Grey
37:33 <electrohead> Ew
37:55 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) Connection closed
38:07 <coppice> would those people add milk to lemon tea?
39:58 <electrohead> no idea, my man
40:01 <electrohead> lol
44:47 <Ampera> coppice, I feel personally attacked
45:17 <Ampera> I usually put milk in black teas
55:46 <damian> lol
55:48 <damian> milk to lemon tea
55:59 <coppice> Ampera: this is a perfectly reasonable personal choice, if its ordinary black tea. putting milk in Earl Grey is like putting milk in lemon tea
56:22 <damian> the only time you should never add milk to tea is if you have lemon in it
57:38 <coppice> This is a truly weird brew https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuenyeung
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