// #eevblog — 2021-06-08
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00:47:52 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUq0NVO0Q2M
00:47:53 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: What Happened To Photonicinduction
01:02:11 <Ampera> The king is back.
01:08:07 <Lemon> no, I'm back
01:08:16 * Ampera squeezes the Lemon
01:08:20 <Ampera> how are you doing?
01:08:46 <Lemon> heh im ok, playing with logic gates
01:08:47 <Lemon> and you ?
01:08:53 <Ampera> I am so fucking tired
01:09:25 <Ampera> about to take my second 100mg caffeine pill of the day, after having drunk maybe 32oz or so of black tea
01:10:45 <Lemon> does it help ?
01:10:50 <Lemon> it never did anything for me
01:10:58 <Ampera> tea or caffeine pills
01:11:00 <Lemon> speed, on the other hand..
01:11:07 <Ampera> haha goddamit
01:11:08 <Lemon> why spend on coke when theres speed heh
01:11:40 <Ampera> I enjoy having skin, so speed's out for me
01:14:44 <Lemon> skin ? whats the link
01:14:53 <Lemon> you wont lose your skin with speed :o
01:15:12 <Lemon> might not be good for your heart tho
01:16:07 <Ampera> people tend to fuck themselves up bad on meth binges
01:16:14 <Ampera> not that I've ever been on one, or known someone who had been
01:17:09 <Lemon> hmmm speed is more a mix of amphetamines and god knows what
01:17:24 <Lemon> you wont scratch yourself with it, well never seen anybody doing so, nor did I
01:17:37 <Lemon> with opioids you do, but not a shitton, depends on the person
01:17:45 <Lemon> for meth it doesnt exist here
01:17:52 <Ampera> again, wouldn't know one, I do not believe in drugs
01:18:02 <Lemon> problem about amphetamines is mostly teeth grinding
01:18:18 <Lemon> yeah its not a good thing, its been a couple years I didnt take anything :>
01:18:20 <Lemon> im a clean lemon
01:18:27 <Ampera> stay clean
01:19:36 <Lemon> now im taking test gear
01:19:38 <Lemon> even worse
01:49:16 <Lemon> ok thats it, im buying better breadboards
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01:53:47 <K> better breadbords for brighter future!
01:55:23 <Lemon> yeah thats just too annoying
01:55:25 <electrohead> o/
01:55:27 <Kuschelpony> hmm?
01:55:30 <Lemon> hello !
01:55:37 <Lemon> farnell got twin industries ones
01:55:42 <Lemon> 53 euros for 4 of them
01:59:18 * Ampera hugs electrohead
01:59:23 <Lemon> hmm for logic gates right now im using 2n2222
01:59:25 <Ampera> how are you doing friend?
01:59:29 <Lemon> what are the similar ones I can use ?
01:59:33 <Lemon> because I have only 25 of them
02:00:48 <K> 2n2222 are classic
02:01:06 * electrohead hugs Ampera
02:01:08 <electrohead> I'm alright, you?
02:01:15 <Ampera> in misery
02:01:23 <Ampera> I am fucking maxed out on caffeine and am still dead
02:01:26 <K> 2n2907 are complementary to 2n2222
02:01:56 <Lemon> 2n3904 would work too ?
02:03:44 <electrohead> lol
02:04:40 <K> http://www.learningaboutelectronics.com/Articles/2N3904-vs-2N2222.php
02:04:41 <EEVBot> [Title] - 2N3904 vs 2N2222
02:05:00 <K> lower power than 2n2222
02:05:23 <Lemon> but for 5 volt logic, it will be fine right ?
02:05:38 <K> either should be fine i'd guess
02:05:46 <Lemon> nothing unexpected will happen if I mix both ?
02:05:55 <Lemon> lets say I make a nand gate with both
02:05:55 <K> hm, don't think so
02:05:59 <Lemon> ok good thanks
02:06:52 <Lemon> I need to find the good resistor for the base too, im using some 470 ohms because thats what I had on hands
02:12:57 <Lemon> for the 2n2222, Ic is 800ma
02:13:07 <Lemon> I can use them at like 200ma and be fine ?
02:13:12 <Lemon> to not make them overheat
02:14:24 <Kuschelpony> yep
02:14:31 <Kuschelpony> 200mA is about good
02:14:46 <Kuschelpony> they are somewhat similar to the european BC337 btw
02:15:09 <Kuschelpony> its just your logic gates will drawe lots of current and expect the collector resistors to ghet hot
02:15:14 <Lemon> ive been using 430R resistors in fact
02:15:39 <Lemon> well what I want to do, is use one type of resistor accross the whole circuit
02:15:46 <Lemon> so I can order lets say 100 or 200 of the same type
02:15:47 <Kuschelpony> if you dont need speed past some kHz i would suggest with coillector currently more like single mA
02:15:49 <Lemon> thats easier
02:15:58 <Lemon> its enough ?
02:16:03 <Kuschelpony> hmm, unusual optimization requirement
02:16:12 * electrohead optimizes Kuschelpony
02:16:29 <electrohead> has anyone in here used the teensy 4.1?
02:16:31 <Lemon> well I want to build a little something (no idea yet) with only logic gates, mostly to learn and for fun
02:16:35 <Kuschelpony> i would worry that you get meaningfuil logic loevels if the collector load resistor is the same as the base rssistor to the next transistors
02:16:43 <Lemon> so technically, no need to use different resistors, as they will all be 2n2222 ?
02:17:17 <Kuschelpony> to be honerst, i would certainly use two different values, one around 1k for the collector load, and one around 10k or a bit more for the base
02:17:44 <Kuschelpony> no, i explicitly worry about getting useful logic levels if using only one value
02:17:52 <Lemon> hmmm
02:18:17 <Kuschelpony> think like, the collector resitot has to supply considerably more current than the attached bases of the following transistors need
02:18:36 <Lemon> when I was making NOR gates, I'd stick a 430R resistor from emitter to ground
02:18:41 <Lemon> collector I mean
02:18:57 <Kuschelpony> otherwise your logic levels will be somethoing like 1,8V for high level with the next transistors somewhat random between well conducting and less well conducting
02:19:05 <Kuschelpony> hmm
02:19:19 <Kuschelpony> perrhaps you post schematiscs in the forum (and i still have not signed up there)
02:19:20 <Lemon> I was using leds at the output to visualize it
02:20:01 <Lemon> well right now I have a d-latch on the breadboard
02:20:06 <Lemon> I will measure some stuff to see
02:20:17 <Kuschelpony> ok, i am happy to help but i feel not well to make advice without discussing actual schematics, but what you describe seems to be failrly well the R-T-Logic
02:20:26 <Lemon> I used 430R for base/collector
02:20:52 <Kuschelpony> it will work if you have only few transistors, but might get randmolmy surprises when chaining more
02:21:45 <Kuschelpony> thats the moment, if you would live around germany, where i would fill a letter with resistors for you to try
02:22:05 <Lemon> hmmm yes I see some 1.9v High
02:22:19 <Kuschelpony> yep
02:22:22 <Lemon> ho thats very kind, I have a shitton of different values
02:22:26 <Lemon> but not a lot of each, like 20
02:22:28 <Kuschelpony> as i alread estimated 1,8 above :)
02:22:37 <Lemon> so for the future thats why I wanted to buy a load of the one I needed :>
02:22:41 <Lemon> yes bang on :P
02:22:54 <Kuschelpony> hihi
02:23:14 <Kuschelpony> just a minor mental estimation of simple gates, with one transistor driving two or three otrhers
02:23:55 <Lemon> ok ! so lets change that to have real high levels
02:24:16 <Lemon> so you advise much higher resistors for the base
02:24:26 <Kuschelpony> as said, i would take something 1k on the collector, and 10k to the bases
02:24:32 <Kuschelpony> certainly!
02:24:56 <Lemon> lets try !
02:25:19 <Kuschelpony> i think i say it thais way, currently your gates are simple enought to work, but you will get randome unlogical surprises when you connect more
02:25:57 <Kuschelpony> i could also offer some 100s of LSTTL and perhaps even plain TTL chips i have in an unsorted bucket
02:26:22 <Kuschelpony> but i understand how you want to learn from the single transistors
02:28:38 <Lemon> ok for some reasons my 10k disappeared, I'll have to find them, I'll use 11k5, I guess it will work :>
02:28:52 <Kuschelpony> yep
02:28:58 <Lemon> ho thats also very nice of you, I have a big box full of ics from my father, and its mostly logic chips :>
02:28:59 <Kuschelpony> goes well with a wide range of values
02:29:03 <Lemon> but yes I want to learn with transistors
02:29:20 <Kuschelpony> i got that bucket some years ago from an university cleanup
02:29:47 <Lemon> but when you say collector resistor
02:29:56 <Lemon> you mean for example in NAND gates ?
02:30:11 <Lemon> when collector is linked to ground ?
02:30:13 <Kuschelpony> primarily thought to keep them and perhaps sort by type, as espically the non-LS TTL might get interesting for some people doing repair work where in special situations no new types work
02:30:37 <Lemon> yeah I tried to sort them, it was hard lol
02:30:41 <Kuschelpony> hmm, i meant the load resistor from NPN collector to plus, or from PNP collector to Ground
02:30:43 <Lemon> my father liked to throw shit in a box
02:30:47 <Kuschelpony> hihi
02:31:31 <Kuschelpony> and i either have just found the most shitty quartet of 13cm midwoofers in my collection, or for some reasons they all totally lost magnet strenght
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02:33:04 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
02:33:10 <Kuschelpony> evening
02:33:18 <Ysjoelfir> well, ok, I agree on that
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02:35:16 * electrohead rubs on Ysjoelfir for good luck and runs
02:36:23 <Ysjoelfir> o.o where did he go?
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02:47:46 * electrohead re-appears
02:48:26 <Ysjoelfir> :O
02:48:53 * Ysjoelfir rubs electrohead because.... reasons
02:49:00 <Lord_of_nothing_> oh Mr. Kuschel is not here
02:49:12 <electrohead> Lord_of_nothing_: he just left
02:49:12 <Lemon> hello Ysjoelfir :>
02:49:16 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: lol
02:49:29 <Lemon> im finally decided for 4 twin industries board, 53 euros delivered on farnell, its not too bad !
02:49:35 <Ysjoelfir> Without Mr., Lord_of_nothing_. Kuschelpony prefers to be named gender neutral. :)
02:49:37 <Lemon> ive been playing with logic gates and those boards are pos
02:49:49 <Ysjoelfir> indeed they are, Lemon
02:50:10 <Lemon> im bending every fucking wire/components
02:50:15 <Lemon> im spending more time on that than learning
02:50:17 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, are you willing to drive far to meet your friends? mrs. spouse and I consider moving more north in germanistan
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02:51:39 <Lemon> you mean, even farther from me ? :>
02:52:03 <Ampera> hey at least you guys can drive to meet up
02:52:13 <Ysjoelfir> yes
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02:52:27 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera. well... get a amphibic car! :D
02:52:29 <Ampera> unless I get an amphibious car, there's no hope for me
02:52:34 Quit: antineuron ([email protected]) Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
02:52:43 <Lemon> well I'd need to fix my car first, but why not one day yes :>
02:53:12 <Ampera> I need to get a vehicle first
02:53:20 <Lemon> ok Kuschelpony ive switched base resistors for 11k ones
02:53:25 <Ampera> As soon as I get my license, I'm buying a truck
02:53:37 <Ampera> so long as I can get a manageable insurance rate
02:53:39 <Lemon> but I have the same emitter/collector voltage for 2.5v or 1.9 depending on which transistors
02:54:31 <Lemon> ha but, I guess I have 2.5 because thats two transistors on 5v vcc ?
02:54:35 <Lemon> hmmm
02:54:50 <Kuschelpony> hmm, that really asks for schematiucs
02:55:01 <electrohead> so, a person in the electronics channel on the libera network recommended the ATTINY87-SU to me. I'm looking around on the arrow website, and was wondering if anyone in here would know of another microcontroller to stock up, on?
02:55:01 <Lemon> hermmmmm
02:55:48 <Kuschelpony> sorry but my skills in polishing my glass sphere to see your circuit without electronics is limited :)
02:55:54 <electrohead> lol
02:56:40 <Lemon> hmmm nvm I have indeed around 4.4v from base to vcc :>
02:56:44 <Lemon> which should be normal right ?
02:56:50 <Lemon> about schematics
02:56:51 <Lemon> hmmm
02:56:59 <Lemon> I can take a picture of the breadboard ? :P
02:57:07 <Kuschelpony> i meant im going slowly out of how well i can guess your circuit
02:57:22 <Kuschelpony> betetr you draw on a sheet of paper and make a phot of that
02:57:40 <Lemon> oof
02:57:45 <Lemon> I fear it wont be as good XD
02:58:25 <Lemon> well basically, its this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peCh_859q7Q
02:58:26 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: D latch
02:58:28 <Lemon> a d-latch
02:58:41 <Kuschelpony> doesnt matter for me :) but i do not want to push you, i just try to understand where you can improve your circuit
02:58:43 <Lemon> so two nor gates, and a not
02:58:53 <Kuschelpony> sorry but i will not watch videos
02:59:00 <Kuschelpony> my brain cant handle that
02:59:07 <Lemon> ho nono
02:59:10 <Ysjoelfir> electrohead, I personally have a few of the Mega48/88/168. those are cheap (the cheapest?) megas and very very general purpose useable
02:59:11 <Lemon> no need to watch it
02:59:14 <Lemon> wait
02:59:36 <Lemon> at 6:20
02:59:41 <Lemon> you have a "schematic" if I can say
02:59:45 <Lemon> just pause on that :>
03:00:01 <Lemon> thats exactly what I've laid down
03:00:36 <Kuschelpony> please excuse that i still not be inclined to download and look in a video editor scrolled to that second
03:00:48 <Lemon> https://imgur.com/WQXQCAn
03:00:49 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
03:00:57 <Kuschelpony> im the one who happily reads dozens of pages of texts and drawings
03:00:58 <Lemon> ok wait I'll do a screenshot then
03:02:06 <Lemon> https://imgur.com/dba3rWp
03:02:07 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
03:02:11 <Lemon> heres the diagram
03:02:15 <Lemon> not really a schematic
03:02:22 <Lemon> I just used basic logic gates schematics to make it
03:02:31 <Lemon> but I think everything is fine
03:02:43 <Lemon> as long as I have a high voltage from base to vcc, its alright ?
03:02:50 <Lemon> from collector to emitter its a different story
03:02:57 <Lemon> from what I understand, if my vcc is 5v
03:03:02 <Lemon> and theres 2 transistors in my gate
03:03:08 <Lemon> they will both have 2.5v ?
03:03:14 <Lemon> in a nor gate for example
03:03:38 <Kuschelpony> hmm every transistor should be either clear on or off, which means one time about 0,1V across C-E and one time most of the supply
03:03:59 <Kuschelpony> and base voltage is always measured relative to emmitter
03:04:56 <Lemon> hmmmm
03:06:24 <Lemon> I have 2.7v on C-E from the ones in NOR gates
03:06:27 <Lemon> or 0
03:06:34 <Lemon> thats far from the full supply
03:07:19 <Lemon> 1.9V for the one in the NOT gate
03:07:23 <Lemon> is that normal ?
03:07:30 <Lemon> I mean, everything works
03:07:34 <Lemon> but as you said it might be a problem
03:08:54 <Kuschelpony> hmm , i need to check this in detail later
03:08:56 <Lemon> ok lets make it simple
03:09:00 <Lemon> I will build a AND gate
03:09:04 <Lemon> two transistors, etc
03:09:07 <Lemon> lets do it and measure
03:09:39 <Kuschelpony> i would suggest you build the more conventional NPN only R-T-Logic
03:10:07 <Kuschelpony> that means NPN transistors in series and paralell to ground, with collector resistor to plus
03:10:29 <Kuschelpony> transistors in paralell for NOR, transistors in series for NAND
03:11:11 <Lemon> yes thats what im doing
03:11:43 <Lemon> https://i.stack.imgur.com/PBwRx.png
03:11:46 <Lemon> this for example
03:12:24 <DHess_US> I wouldn't use TTL logic levels at all. Use injection logic.
03:12:39 <Lemon> why that ?
03:12:43 <DHess_US> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_injection_logic
03:12:45 <EEVBot> [Title] - Integrated injection logic - Wikipedia
03:12:49 <Lemon> that seems to be the simpliest thing to learn no ?
03:13:04 <Kuschelpony> place the outpout between R3 and the collector of T2
03:13:46 <Kuschelpony> DHess, i am not sure if i can generalize, by my experiments with discrete I2L were very random, perhaps with binned transistors this might work
03:14:05 <DHess_US> Kuschelpony, you have to use emitter degeneration to get good results with discrete parts.
03:14:34 <Kuschelpony> might be an idea
03:14:42 <DHess_US> That means adding series resistors to the emitters to lower the difference between the base-emitter voltages.
03:15:05 <Kuschelpony> maybe i try just for fun, but i am already 30 years past that phase
03:15:12 <Kuschelpony> i fully know
03:15:33 <Kuschelpony> perhaps, we should together make suggestions for lemon
03:15:47 <DHess_US> I'd like to design a desktop digital clock using all discrete parts that way.
03:16:02 <Lemon> well keep in mind that Im really on the beginner side
03:16:05 <Lemon> learning logic gates
03:16:13 <Lemon> im not trying to do the most optimized shit ever
03:17:40 <Kuschelpony> i DO have a clock with 5 rings of 60 leds built in CMOS on breadboards
03:17:50 <Kuschelpony> never made a PCB for 25 years...
03:18:03 <Kuschelpony> Lemon, no worries
03:18:18 <Kuschelpony> its not about optimized shit, its about reliable circuits that we discuss
03:19:26 <DHess_US> I would want to do 7 segment decoding, although maybe not with logic.
03:19:46 <DHess_US> There are other structures that can be used for decoding like that.
03:20:22 <Kuschelpony> hihi, most of the mare logic, but not all binary electronic
03:20:23 <DHess_US> You can make a ROM using transistors for instance.
03:20:30 <Kuschelpony> right
03:20:41 <Kuschelpony> or ferrite cores and threading wires :)
03:21:59 <DHess_US> Example of a transistor decoder, https://ibb.co/QpLsJRP
03:21:59 <Kuschelpony> one of my dreams would be that clock in fluidic, but i do not see it realistic to build that in the next 10 years
03:22:00 <EEVBot> [Title] - 1 — ImgBB
03:25:08 <electrohead> so, I'm buying some ATTINY167-XU and ATTINY87-SU today
03:25:26 <electrohead> have never used anything from the attiny line of micro's, yet
03:25:30 <electrohead> will be soon, though :p
03:25:55 <Kuschelpony> often i wish i could finally start programming
03:26:12 <Kuschelpony> still completely stuck in logic gates
03:27:24 * electrohead unsticks Kuschelpony
03:28:46 <Kuschelpony> to explain, im that kind of aspie who can dig just right into a square meter sheet with hundreds of transistzors, but my brain blocks when reading programming languages
03:36:54 <electrohead> what's the last programming language you tried to get into?
03:39:30 <Kuschelpony> the only one i can do a bit from the 90s is BASIC and some Assembler, but i fail any combvination of C Javascript or Python that i last looked at
03:41:06 <electrohead> you were able to do some assembly, yet python is hard you think?
03:41:09 <electrohead> lol
03:41:19 <electrohead> python isn't that bad, to be honest
03:42:22 <Kuschelpony> its too high-level
03:42:45 <Kuschelpony> assembler, espically the 68k.assembler is much more close to the level of gates i am thinkling in
03:43:36 <electrohead> ahh, fair enough
03:43:48 <electrohead> well, you could always challenge yourself, then
03:43:50 <electrohead> :p
03:44:00 <Kuschelpony> uhm, i think i could have done when i was young
03:44:12 <electrohead> how old are you, now?
03:44:21 <Kuschelpony> but the past ten years my brain has already filled up
03:44:26 <Kuschelpony> soon 44
03:44:30 <Kuschelpony> in a few weeks
03:44:50 <Kuschelpony> also, electronics hgenberally has lost interest
03:45:05 <electrohead> ahh, you're not that old
03:45:07 <electrohead> :p
03:45:12 <Kuschelpony> i do it today more for time-wasting
03:45:40 <Kuschelpony> well... if the majority of events you want to attend are U35 or TNG, you are made to feel too old
03:47:41 <electrohead> what's that?
03:49:06 <Kuschelpony> Under35 and TheNextGeneration (which defines as under 29)
03:49:52 <Kuschelpony> its about fursuiting, kink, and other recreational activity, but it feels like that past some age someone has to stop this and be happoy with a marriage
03:51:12 <T3sl4> the madlad's back! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUq0NVO0Q2M
03:51:12 <electrohead> I'll be 35 in 10 days, and I'm single and happy
03:51:13 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: What Happened To Photonicinduction
03:51:57 <Kuschelpony> i also single, becasue i am wired for this, but i am hionest to say i am non longer happy with that kind of beein cut off
03:52:14 <coppice> electrohead: no you are not. people who are genuinely happy don't point this out
03:58:54 <electrohead> lol
04:04:41 <Kuschelpony> good night
04:06:10 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) Connection closed
04:06:37 <Ysjoelfir> huh
04:06:44 <Ysjoelfir> its just 8 oO
04:09:06 <electrohead> I hate websites that don't allow you to paste passwords into the forms..
04:10:07 <electrohead> all of my passwords are generated via "openssl rand -base64 <length>"
04:10:57 <Ysjoelfir> same, except that I use Nordpass with a length of 12 to 16 characters
04:16:24 <electrohead> ok, so now I can paste into the second field when changing my password
04:16:35 <electrohead> but.. I changed my password already, because I couldn't log in
04:16:45 <electrohead> it said "password accepted, please log in"
04:16:55 <electrohead> I try to log in.. "Invalid credentials"
04:16:57 <electrohead> o.O
04:17:00 <electrohead> this is arrow.com
04:18:34 <electrohead> heh, their live support page is broken, as well
04:18:41 <electrohead> fuck it, I'm not buying shit from them, now
04:18:48 * electrohead walks away from the frustration
04:19:59 <Ysjoelfir> Oh, I kind of assumed that as I had EXACTLY that same problem recently. and I decided to do the same
04:21:33 <electrohead> oh really?
04:22:17 <Ysjoelfir> yep
04:23:20 <Lord_of_nothing_> Does anyone here life in Italy?
04:24:58 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: who do you go through, for parts?
04:25:11 <electrohead> I'm about to try mouser and/or digikey
04:28:25 <Lemon> he uses digikey I think
04:28:36 <Lemon> as I dont have a tva number I cant order on it and use DDP
04:28:38 <Lemon> :(
04:28:57 <Lemon> but screw that im ordering 4 of those twin industries breadboards on farnell
04:29:04 <Lemon> im too tired of the shitty ass ones I have
04:30:58 <electrohead> I haven't used farnell yet
04:31:02 <electrohead> how are they, overall?
04:31:22 <Lemon> no idea, it will be the first time :>
04:31:26 <Lemon> but I guess they are fine
04:31:36 <Lemon> never saw anybody complaining
04:31:40 <Lemon> same for digikey, mouser etc
04:31:49 <Lemon> about digikey and mouser, take care about custom fees
04:31:59 <Lemon> digikey use incoterm, if you have a tva number (duty pre-paid)
04:40:53 <Ysjoelfir> electrohead, exactly those two, in inverse order. and arrow before as well
04:41:08 <Lemon> https://fr.farnell.com/twin-industries/tw-mp-10/kit-jumper-wire-mach-pin-10pcs/dp/2213351
04:41:16 <Lemon> those jumpers looks super nice, but damn the price
04:41:21 <Ysjoelfir> I would never use farnell, mainly because their website is shit and slow and I just hate browsing there
04:41:24 <Lemon> I tend to prefer jumper to quickly make something
04:41:40 <Lemon> ho I was thinking about this Ysjoelfir but it seems better than usual
04:41:45 <Lemon> maybe they changed something
04:41:52 <Lemon> but digikey is better for sure yeah
04:42:14 <Lemon> do you have an idea of what they use to terminate those jumpers ?
04:42:21 <Lemon> maybe I could buy it and make them myself
04:42:28 <Lemon> they look much better than the chinese ones
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04:44:15 <Lemon> ho ! and I found a deal, https://www.leboncoin.fr/commerces_marches/1994355655.htm and https://www.leboncoin.fr/equipements_industriels/1994352956.htm?ac=206978287
04:44:23 <Lemon> im very tempted
04:44:46 <Lemon> maybe not by the probes one
04:51:49 <Halcyon> A quick good morning to you all before I have to go to work
04:52:04 * electrohead gropes Halcyon
04:52:08 <Halcyon> \o/
04:52:11 <Halcyon> You at work electrohead ?
04:52:18 <electrohead> nah, I'm off today
04:52:28 <Halcyon> \o/ \o/
04:52:33 <electrohead> | |
04:52:35 <Halcyon> Keen for a phone call in about 10?
04:52:47 <electrohead> you messed up the stick dude bodies, lol
04:52:51 <electrohead> yeah sure
04:52:52 <Halcyon> Hehehe yeh, my bad :P
04:53:00 <Halcyon> Alright, I'll call you when I get in the car
04:53:06 <electrohead> ok cool :P
04:53:13 <Ysjoelfir> but no telephone sex!
04:53:25 <Halcyon> I'm not making any promises Ysjoelfir :P
04:55:00 <electrohead> lol
04:55:40 <rust_collector> booing. mornings?
04:55:58 <Lemon> yo rusty
04:56:35 <rust_collector> yo wassaaaa wildone?
04:57:00 <rust_collector> heh, moms ex used to say that
04:57:08 <Lemon> waaassaaaaaa
04:57:13 <Lemon> I remember the add lol
04:57:24 <Lemon> one of the first videos downloaded online
04:58:37 <electrohead> https://unimplementedtrap.com/sb181-74ls181-logic-operator
04:59:22 <Lemon> no more logic for today please
04:59:26 <Lemon> im done lol
05:02:09 <electrohead> lol
05:02:11 <electrohead> https://www.zdnet.com/article/stack-overflow-sold-to-europes-prosus-for-1-8bn/
05:02:21 <electrohead> that sucks :/
05:05:18 <Ysjoelfir> already read that a few days before. and I agree
05:05:38 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, I looked at those links. the leads look a bit crusty, don't they>?
05:05:55 <Lemon> some looks dirty yeah
05:06:16 <Lemon> I will ask prior, if I get them !
05:06:28 <Lemon> but if in almost 50 leads, theres 2-3 that are dead
05:06:32 <Lemon> its still a good deal I think
05:09:56 <Lemon> how much cost a decent 30 meters roll of solid core 22awg (0.34mm2 ?) wire, to have an idea ?
05:13:46 <Lemon> I want to buy this kind of wire to make my own wanted lengh of jumper on breadboards
05:15:05 <Lemon> I guess I'll go for those chinese kits
05:15:40 <Lemon> https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/32914268375.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.c91d47c7kb6oO1&algo_pvid=55e2a30a-5b8f-44c9-93a6-ec7cf66ee265&algo_expid=55e2a30a-5b8f-44c9-93a6-ec7cf66ee265-3&btsid=2100bde716230933257393029e74db&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
05:15:42 <Lemon> like this
05:24:47 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir btw where did you learn about twin industries boards ?
05:29:46 <rust_collector> internet
05:30:54 <Ysjoelfir> exactly
05:31:43 <rust_collector> did anyone in germany make breadboards?
05:31:46 <Ysjoelfir> IIRC at the eevblog forums
05:32:07 <Lemon> are connections on those very soft ?
05:32:16 <Lemon> like, no more bent component legs
05:32:44 <Lemon> well anyway if you say they are good, I believe you, I'll order 4 and call it a day
05:32:49 <Lemon> im too tired of this shit
05:33:13 <Lemon> I spend half of my time fiddling with bent legs, impossible to insert components etc
05:33:19 <rust_collector> buy lead stiffening spacers, if you keep bending them
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05:34:40 <Lemon> oof, weird mix with coca cola
05:35:46 <rust_collector> cold coffee with bubbles is pretty horrible. well, warm coffee too
05:41:28 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, they are... "smooth but stiff". they hold well and reliable, but you can insert stuff very easy.
05:41:44 <Lemon> perfect ! lets go then !
05:41:53 <rust_collector> go go go
05:41:58 <Ysjoelfir> rusty, when do you upload the next boring 12.75 video? I enjoy watching you drive :D
05:42:04 <Lemon> mine are mega stiff to the point its impossible to insert a jumper without bending it
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05:43:28 <rust_collector> uhm. well, I am going to shit town for the rest of the week... so if you have any special area you don't want to see...
05:49:02 <Lemon> ho wow, free next day delivery
05:49:10 <Lemon> well I guess it will be wednesday
05:49:15 <Lemon> still super nice
05:50:13 <Lemon> out of the 5 chinese breadboards I have, 2 are decent, not stiff but good connection, but they cant connect to each others (tabs are misplaced) so they will do till I get new ones
05:52:35 <Ysjoelfir> rusty, erm... no idea. Just make some nice music and go to places :D
05:53:17 <rust_collector> make.... music.... uuuh, are you thinking about someone else, maybe?
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05:55:20 <Lemon> hmmmm I was thinking of something
05:55:33 <rust_collector> nooooo noooo!1! stop!
05:55:40 <Lemon> to make a little "computer" only with transistor, I need a clock, can it be from an astable multivibrator ?
05:55:54 <Lemon> when I say a computer thats a big word
05:56:12 <Lemon> lets say something that count up to 4 by light leds next to each others and repeat
05:56:15 <rust_collector> well, it does give a sort of clock-ish hmmhmm
05:56:17 <Lemon> (that would already be hard to do)
05:56:18 <Ysjoelfir> Just switch on the radio :P Thats "making" music in my mind.
05:56:53 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, yes, that should make a clock. but you could also use just a crystal
05:57:12 <Lemon> hmmm but I kinda wanted to do it only with transistors :>
05:58:27 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir that would make my piece of art not available for my cuban and north korean fans... I dunno? well, maybe I can find some interstonk free musak
05:59:28 <Ysjoelfir> nah, without music is fine as well
06:11:47 <rust_collector> so... I have been looking at your drawings for a couple days now...
06:13:03 <rust_collector> I seriously can not figure out how my printer works. I either get half of the thing outside the paper, or I get a pretty nice looking board, that is 14mm long
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06:24:39 <Ysjoelfir> erm.... that is not ideal :d
06:26:13 <rust_collector> nope. but... I will figure it out some day. I have not really done much printing, other than regular print this page full of text
06:26:57 <rust_collector> part of me want to send it to china, and have some nice board made, but I also have to make my own
06:27:12 <Ysjoelfir> I just wanted to suggest: Do both :D
06:28:04 <rust_collector> so, is green the correct colour on those boards?
06:28:24 <Ysjoelfir> when you let the chinese do them, yes
06:29:15 <rust_collector> I sort of like blue boards, and Lemonhead wants them black. it is complicated
06:29:51 <rust_collector> green is classic-ish
06:30:08 <Ysjoelfir> and the cheapest. I prefer to have them yellow.
06:30:19 <Ysjoelfir> which is mainly because of my "brand"...
06:55:47 <rust_collector> I think your logo in gold on a green board would look nice probably
07:07:12 <Ysjoelfir> it does look exceptionally good that way. but with HASL on yellow its also pretty good. https://drive.google.com/file/d/18G5Veb5c_jqHL42LS53KhLvPHWuY1x8t/view?usp=sharing
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07:12:45 <rust_collector> is that one to strain your tea?
07:13:18 <rust_collector> yellow should look good on something with black plastic smd sort of things
07:21:02 <Ysjoelfir> Nope, it just needs lot of thermal conductivity there :P thats the reason for all those vias. and yep. Yellow and black was the idea. I would have opted for black silkscreen as well, but that was super expensive
07:23:28 * T3sl4 HASLs Ysjoelfir
07:30:52 <Ysjoelfir> ouuuuch!
07:31:39 <Lemon> ok I think I overcame that weird problem I had, where I perfectly understand schematics of logic gates but I have trouble to lay it down on a breadboard
07:31:50 <Lemon> at least for NOT, AND, OR, NOR and NAND gates that is
07:32:11 <Lemon> I think I remember the s-r latch and d-latch aswell
07:33:16 <rust_collector> ok, did you figure out what your weird problem was?
07:33:20 * T3sl4 cools Ysjoelfir off with some 'Hoff
07:34:01 <Ysjoelfir> weeeeeee~
07:36:19 <Lemon> not really, but now I can build them pretty easily lol
07:36:31 <Lemon> guess I have trouble visualizing things on a breadboard sometimes
07:36:36 <rust_collector> that is something
07:36:37 <rust_collector> yes
07:41:57 <T3sl4> dys...space-ia?
08:09:44 <Lemon> hmmm it seems possible to make a 4 bit counter only with transistors, caps and resistors
08:09:57 <Lemon> with an astable multivibrator as a clock, and 4 t-flip flops
08:10:03 <Lemon> and leds, ofc
08:30:32 <rust_collector> I look forward to the day when you figure out how to run a 555 timer in reverse, and use lasers, and not shitty diodes
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08:37:07 <Ampera> ram
08:37:50 <Ampera> just upgraded from 20GB in UDIMMs to 48GB in RDIMMs, with another 48GB possible without using larger DIMMs
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09:04:18 <MrMobodies> Anyone heard of a browser called Lunarscape?
09:04:27 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/eGQ60jk.jpg
09:05:49 <rust_collector> nope
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09:06:40 <EEVBot> [Title] - Lunascape - Wikipedia
09:06:40 <MrMobodies> 2001
09:06:49 <MrMobodies> out of all these years I never ever heard of it
09:06:58 <MrMobodies> I found it when looking at some pictures
09:07:01 <MrMobodies> somewhere
09:07:09 <MrMobodies> wondered that's looks nice what is it
09:07:37 <MrMobodies> no horrid DIMMING so far and it seems to look good
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09:08:30 <MrMobodies> it contains three rendering engines: Gecko (used in Mozilla Firefox), WebKit (used in Apple's Safari), and Trident (used in Microsoft Internet Explorer)
09:08:33 <MrMobodies> interesting
09:09:01 <MrMobodies> not sure if the chrome/firefox extensions will work with it
09:09:11 <MrMobodies> there's only a couple I need
09:12:47 <MrMobodies> nice to see some preferences there
09:12:54 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/D0vTRRl.jpg
09:13:04 <MrMobodies> that I am going to want rather than in the form of extensions
09:21:49 <Ampera> Hullo MrMobodies, how are you doing
09:29:23 <MrMobodies> fine just experimenting with some stuff
09:29:24 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/BPIxJ97.jpg
09:29:47 <MrMobodies> it looks like they kept everything else the same but added in the engines and stuff over the years
09:30:08 <MrMobodies> just put some Bird Eye extra long fish fingers under the grill
09:31:28 <MrMobodies> apparently that browser can render different engines but the webkit plugin no longer seems to exist
09:32:18 <MrMobodies> or and the extensions load but no way to configure them
09:33:31 <Ampera> It looks like some netscape abomination from 2007
09:34:43 <MrMobodies> yes it silvery and that
09:35:28 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/e5uBgIL.jpg
09:35:35 <MrMobodies> Extra long fish fingers
09:36:15 <Ampera> you're making me hungry
09:40:43 <MrMobodies> with beans and mash
09:41:10 <MrMobodies> actually forgot there is no mash in the fridge
09:45:54 <MrMobodies> Oh your server and setup going well?
09:46:43 <Ampera> aye, both of them
09:46:55 <Ampera> just installed some new memory into the storage server (dual X5650's)
09:50:56 <MrMobodies> on the Supermicro board
09:52:01 <MrMobodies> Oh yes I remember and the well built Silversonic psu
10:05:23 <MrMobodies> it's a bit hot for my liking
10:05:54 <MrMobodies> 23c and 16c outside
10:06:11 <MrMobodies> it it was about 27c in the day but I was sleeping
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10:56:11 <MrMobodies> it seems very fast but I hid the ##.gsc-loading-fade
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12:36:34 <flyback> they seem well built etc
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17:22:32 <steve30> I've ordered some new earphones
17:23:53 <K> uh oh
17:23:58 <K> what make/model?
17:24:15 <steve30> Etymotic ER2-XR
17:28:41 <K> nice
17:28:44 <K> oh, detachable cable
17:29:10 <steve30> I haven't had one with a detachable cable before
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17:56:21 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
17:57:03 <steve30> hi
17:58:39 <Ysjoelfir> hi steve
17:59:29 <steve30> I went to Tesco this morning
18:00:19 <K> why would you do that?
18:00:28 <steve30> I needed food
18:01:34 <Ysjoelfir> how dare you!
18:03:29 <K> thats foodist
18:06:25 <Ysjoelfir> yes, it is!
18:14:57 <T3sl4> i heard food
18:15:47 * steve30 passes T3sl4 some toast
18:16:13 * T3sl4 butters the toast
18:21:20 * Ysjoelfir hands T3sl4 some Quark and Jam
18:21:40 * T3sl4 jams out with the ferengi
18:21:43 <T3sl4> \o/
18:23:19 <Lemon> hello peep
18:23:19 <Lemon> s
18:25:05 <Lemon> steve30 ho etymotics ! I was never a fan of those as I prefer warmish stuff, but I know lots of people making music using those (not necessarly this model, but etymotics in general, the house sound is neutral, quite flat, very detailed)
18:25:12 <Lemon> what you going to use as a source ?
18:25:41 <steve30> I've been using Etymotics since 2010
18:26:09 <Ysjoelfir> I have no idea what etymotics are. but making sound sounds interesting. I wanted to DIY a little analog synthesizer some day, as a hobby project.
18:26:10 <steve30> Source will either be a tape walkman, MD walkman, or "MP3" player
18:27:22 <steve30> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEL7w_AOF14
18:27:22 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Etymotic Earphone Rant/Review - ER6i, MC5, MK5.
18:27:57 <Lemon> which dap ? :>
18:28:20 <Lemon> I cant get myself to sell my daps
18:28:30 <Lemon> even if I barely use them
18:28:31 <steve30> Sandisk Clip Jam.
18:28:42 <Lemon> hehe a good ol clip
18:28:49 <steve30> I say "MP3" because while I do use it with MP3s, it also plays FLAC and Vorbis which i tend to prefer
18:28:51 <Lemon> with rockbox I hope !
18:29:06 <steve30> that model doesn't support rockbox unfortunately
18:29:13 <Lemon> yeah I understand, for most people its easier to say that than "digital audio player"
18:29:18 <Lemon> ha yes ? I wasnt sure !
18:29:22 <Lemon> I dont have this one
18:29:35 <steve30> I think the older Sandisks do, but not this one
18:29:52 <steve30> TBH my Sony Minidisc walkman has better sound quality than that Sandisk
18:30:13 <Lemon> I have a xduoo x3, another xduoo I forgot the model, an ak120I, a xuelin, one of those walnut thingies, and a couple others I forgot models
18:30:28 <Lemon> yeah ? I never tried minidiscs !
18:32:39 <Lemon> I recently found my headstage arrow whatever number, its a neat little thing
18:32:50 <Lemon> well, if you like going around with stacks of devices lol
18:32:55 <Lemon> but I mostly use them at home
18:33:01 <Lemon> outside I use a shanling m0
18:33:07 <Lemon> lovely little thing
18:33:33 <steve30> I'm relatively new to digital music players. It was only a few years ago that I upgraded from tape walkmans to Minidisc walkmans.
18:33:35 <Lemon> I sold most of my good gear, but I kept some dunu falcon c, some FA F3000
18:34:01 <Lemon> well then to make it short : get one with the features you want, and a good equalizer lol
18:34:20 <Lemon> I always wondered about those high end sony costing 3k euros
18:34:29 <Lemon> people treating them like the best shit ever
18:34:39 <Lemon> until I actually tried one at a little meeting
18:34:44 <Lemon> along with a couple 2-3k iems
18:34:47 <Lemon> well well well
18:34:52 <Lemon> yes its great, dont get me wrong
18:35:00 <Lemon> but I think at that stage, you are listenning to gear more than music
18:35:12 <Lemon> is it 30 times better than my shanling m0 ? no way
18:35:27 <Lemon> I could hear a difference, but not a world of differences either
18:35:51 <Lemon> same for iems, at that moment I had some sony ex1k, which are pretty good, in the 300 euros range now (1k new, I didnt pay that glladly)
18:36:02 <Lemon> between that and some 2k+ iems, same story
18:36:15 <Lemon> and Im not even talking about those damn cables lol
18:36:23 <Lemon> it always made me cringe, super hard
18:36:34 <Lemon> thats also why I stopped upgrading my gear
18:36:40 <Lemon> because at one point its nonsense
18:37:02 <Lemon> the best setup I had was a ifi micro black label and some fostex th900 (headphones)
18:37:13 <Lemon> I paid in multiple times both things, second hand from friends
18:37:19 <Lemon> it was super nice, really heavenly nice
18:37:35 <Lemon> but same story, I tried some planar thingies, some super high end amps/sources
18:37:43 <Lemon> and I'd even prefer my setup, tbh
18:37:52 <Lemon> diminishing returns are just too high
18:38:03 <Lemon> and people tend to listen to money too much, too
18:38:40 <Lemon> "man this 3k cable... nothing comes close !" "have you tried an A/B blind test ?" "its not working, blabla its not realisticcccc"
18:39:04 * T3sl4 gently squeezes Lemon
18:39:07 <Lemon> I remember when some peeps accepted to do one, and they spent 10 minutes saying how good that cloth hanger was so good
18:39:11 <steve30> I don't mind spending a bit for decent quality stuff but there's a limit, especially if I'm listening to music when out walking a long a busy road or similar. That is not the time for appreciating the highest quality sound.
18:39:22 <Lemon> yeah exactly
18:39:47 <Lemon> a m0 and your etymotics and you have already 99.9% of what you could ever have
18:39:56 <Lemon> or even what you already have
18:40:06 <Lemon> I say m0 because this little thing got a super nice bang/buck
18:40:39 <steve30> My Minidisc player/recorder is a Sony MZ-G750. Pretty bog standard in its day, but sounds very nice IMO.
18:42:42 <Lemon> thats all that matters :>
19:08:40 <T3sl4> steve30: https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/nux1qp/equipped_with_a_1_meowgawatt_power_supply/
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19:09:08 <steve30> hehe
19:09:21 <K> i have a sansa clip plus with a rockbox
19:20:26 <Lemon> I have a question about ROMS, when you see those with a little window to erase them with ultraviolet, its an EPROM, not an EEPROM, right ?
19:20:37 <Lemon> "electricaly erasable..." for EE
19:20:45 <Lemon> but I see many people calling them EEPROM
19:25:07 <Halcyon> Evening gents
19:34:12 <Lemon> morning :>
19:34:14 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
19:34:20 <Halcyon> :)
19:39:03 * T3sl4 snuggles Halcyon
19:39:08 <Halcyon> :D
19:39:27 <T3sl4> Lemon: yes most likely to get UV at it for erasing
19:39:54 <T3sl4> i don't know why they'd put an EEPROM in a windowed cerdip but i guess it's possible
19:40:00 <T3sl4> RTFDS as always
19:40:12 <T3sl4> more likely people are just being dum
19:40:23 <Lemon> I just dont understand why theres a window, if you can write to it dynamicaly like that
19:41:03 <T3sl4> you can always write to it
19:41:08 <T3sl4> as long as what you want to write is exactly 0
19:41:42 <Halcyon> So some of you wonder what I do at work, now this is public, I can share a snippet...
19:42:25 <Halcyon> I've been involved with this for quite some time. Basically involved a collaborative effort between the FBI and Australian police to create an "encrypted" messaging application that we've been able to decrypt and read in real time.
19:42:25 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU4oifE5F-8
19:42:55 <K> oh
19:43:21 <K> i read about this earlier and thought to myself "that Halcyon person prolly knows more about this"
19:43:40 <Halcyon> I don't get up at stupid-o'clock for no reason :P
19:44:01 <T3sl4> i mean, it helps that you live on the ass end of the world
19:44:42 <T3sl4> ...bikies?
19:44:45 <Halcyon> Of course the media hype it up
19:44:51 <K> one mans ass is another mans ...
19:45:14 <T3sl4> that commissioner has a nice tag number, 4742
19:45:17 <Halcyon> Bikie = Outlaw motorcycle gang member
19:45:58 <Ysjoelfir> LOL, thats nice :D
19:46:26 <T3sl4> thats not footage of your laptop is it
19:46:27 <Halcyon> An0m is just one of the applications that was impacted. But those details aren't public.
19:47:19 <T3sl4> were any of them compromised e.g. by hackers with a bit of wireshark or ghidra?
19:47:31 <Halcyon> You watch all the money that will be poured into cyber now
19:48:00 <Halcyon> T3sl4, the public details are that the An0m app was specifically crafted and designed by police/government
19:48:08 <Halcyon> They ran the domains, servers etc...
19:48:38 <T3sl4> i suppose any others that are compromised, you're not exactly eligible to reveal anything about anyway :P
19:48:45 <Halcyon> Nope
19:48:54 <Halcyon> But yeh, the last few weeks have been rather fun
19:48:58 <Halcyon> Although I need sleep
19:49:03 <T3sl4> i bet
19:49:10 <Halcyon> Wine time \o/
19:49:28 * T3sl4 splashes some plum wine on Halcyon
19:49:28 <K> was it really ok to burn it though?
19:49:38 <Halcyon> What do you mean K ?
19:50:26 <Ysjoelfir> So since you use signal I assume I can use that to distribute my drugs? XD
19:50:38 <Halcyon> :P
19:50:41 <Halcyon> Smartass
19:50:50 * T3sl4 telegrams Ysjoelfir some bitcoins
19:50:56 <Ysjoelfir> nice :P
19:51:15 <K> i mean tell public and baddies what you've done
19:51:22 <Halcyon> So yeh, a little glimpse into my world. Although 99% of the time, it's not that exciting.
19:51:53 <Halcyon> This has been a long time in the making and having to dance around details, even with my own colleagues is a pain in the ass.
19:51:59 <T3sl4> i'm guessing an0m either ran its course or got blown perhaps in a way such as i suggested, so they decided to drop the hammer on it
19:52:11 <Halcyon> Correct T3sl4
19:52:32 <T3sl4> shh, not so forthwith, someone might hear you
19:52:36 * T3sl4 slides another wine at Halcyon
19:52:38 <T3sl4> ;)
19:52:46 <Halcyon> Pfft, wine won't make me talk :P
19:52:49 <Halcyon> It just makes me sleepy
19:53:17 <Halcyon> Nothing I am telling you isn't in the public domain as of this week
19:54:44 <T3sl4> that lit pyramid on the skyline keeps making me think milwaukee
19:55:14 <T3sl4> https://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large-5/picture-of-milwaukee-skyline-at-night-paul-velgos.jpg
19:55:45 <T3sl4> from the bay bridge, the building on the left is framed kinda more like the backdrop they're using
19:55:52 <T3sl4> which uh, oh lemme see...
19:57:31 <T3sl4> it's towards the right in this view, https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0291436,-87.8997176,3a,19.7y,349.14h,92.75t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s27pYUUN6QFh5q7Abb_mRxg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
19:57:32 <EEVBot> [Title] - Google Maps
19:58:24 <T3sl4> also, the smaller brown brick building has a... sort of stained glass torch kinda thing on top? and it's always lit with some color, usually tracking with weather conditions i think
20:04:53 * T3sl4 coughs
20:05:24 * Halcyon supports T3sl4's balls
20:05:37 <T3sl4> aww thanks
20:05:43 <Halcyon> Welcome
20:05:52 <T3sl4> they've been pretty saggy these last few days, hot out there
20:06:10 <Halcyon> I've heard
20:06:21 <Halcyon> electrohead was saying this morning he had to sort out air conditioning
20:07:01 <T3sl4> i have refuge in my bedroom, but out here it's just fans and afternoon sun in the windows :/
20:07:18 <T3sl4> gets a good 3-5C warmer in here than OAT :/
20:07:25 <Halcyon> OAT ?
20:07:29 <K> what is the refugee doing in your bedroom?
20:07:39 <T3sl4> K: chilling his balls
20:07:44 <K> sound more like a hostage, not refugee
20:08:12 <T3sl4> and, outside air temp
20:14:21 <Halcyon> Ahh
20:15:04 <T3sl4> hmm, hearing things faintly outside
20:15:19 <T3sl4> a distant low frequency pounding sound
20:15:50 <T3sl4> i do in fact live a neighborhood away from a whole-ass metal forging factory
20:16:05 <T3sl4> should look into getting a tour of that place some time, or something
20:16:12 <T3sl4> i imagine they're doing pressings or something
20:16:22 <Halcyon> That would be cool
20:39:27 <hsn> hello gurus .. im just saying hello for hello .. now im back to my salvary work
20:39:39 <Ysjoelfir> xD hi hsn
20:39:40 <hsn> hope u all wonderful days
20:39:41 <K> hello gurken
20:40:16 <hsn> =) enjoys both u .. see u later have been busy
20:41:32 <T3sl4> slavery salary?
20:42:18 <K> salvery
20:42:42 <T3sl4> very
20:43:56 <Lemon> so I learnt a few weeks ago that most of the kapton tape you can find online is fake, "koptan" or whatever name they give to it, is in fact tape that is not that resistant to heat, and barely sticks
20:44:10 <Lemon> besides 3M, anyone knows a real manufacturer of kapton tape ?
20:45:14 <T3sl4> if it's golden, it's probably still polyimide, but the adhesive may just be ordinary rubber or acrylic
20:45:30 <T3sl4> the real high temp stuff is silicone adhesive, i have some, it literally doesn't change at all at soldering temp
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20:46:18 <K> i have some from farnell, seems to keep with heat quite ok
20:46:41 <K> was not very cheap iirc
20:48:11 <Halcyon> I got a roll from Element 14 ages ago
20:48:13 <Halcyon> Seems pretty good
20:48:54 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
20:48:56 <Ampera> how are you doing friend
20:49:02 <Halcyon> Heya Ampera
20:49:06 <Halcyon> Not too bad, how are you?
20:49:10 <Ampera> super tired
20:49:21 <Halcyon> Aw
20:49:23 <Halcyon> *hugs*
20:50:17 <Ampera> I upgraded the memory in my storage server to 48GB
20:50:29 <T3sl4> Lemon: not sure which one i have, might be this https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/3m/92-AMBER-1-2-X36YD/1630230
20:50:31 <EEVBot> [Title] - Internal Server Error
20:51:11 <Lemon> yeah from 3M, thats for sure a good one
20:51:19 <Lemon> but im wondering if theres different manufacturers
20:52:30 <Halcyon> That looks like the roll I have
20:54:49 <Lemon> its so expensive
20:54:55 <Lemon> especially if you want a few differents izes
20:56:40 <T3sl4> it's been some years and i'm finally near the end of my roll, and that's after making a dozen transformers among many other things
21:07:15 <Lemon> hmmm thats true, it should last a long time
21:07:28 <Lemon> I made a list of the tools/things I miss to complete my set
21:07:46 <Lemon> and I needed a roll of kapton, as I only have a super thin one
21:07:54 <Lemon> I bought it thinking it was 1cm wide, but it was 1mm
21:07:56 <Lemon> ggwp
21:10:03 <K> 1mm?
21:10:06 <K> tape for ants?
21:10:38 <Ysjoelfir> maybe for teeny tiny transformers
21:17:02 <Lemon> maybe phones
21:17:05 <Lemon> no idea
21:18:45 <Lemon> https://www.amazon.fr/DYMO-S0717940-Omega-embosser/dp/B0056233GK/ref=sr_1_11?__mk_fr_FR=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=dymo&qid=1623151050&sr=8-11
21:18:50 <Lemon> I totally forgot those exist
21:18:54 * Ampera gives Lemon a hot cup of earl grey
21:19:11 <Lemon> hehhh thanks, but im not a super fan of it x)
21:19:16 <Ampera> :/
21:19:20 <Ampera> black peach tea?
21:19:27 <Ampera> er, peach black tea
21:19:28 * rust_collector adds milk and whiskey
21:19:39 <Ampera> rust_collector knows what he's talking about
21:20:15 <Lemon> hehh tea in general I guess
21:20:52 <K> eeeww tea with milk
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21:21:16 <Halcyon> I agree K
21:21:18 <K> am i in company of savages?
21:21:23 <Halcyon> I like plain, no milk, no sugar
21:21:39 <K> little sugar is acceptable
21:21:39 <Halcyon> Once you go black, you never go back ;-)
21:21:52 <Halcyon> If I'm feeling sick, maybe a little lemon
21:21:53 <Ampera> my problem is I don't have a good sense of taste
21:21:57 <Ampera> literally
21:22:07 <K> dont have good sense in general
21:22:10 <Ampera> so if I don't put anything in my tea, it just tastes of slightly mank water
21:22:12 <K> (ducks)
21:22:21 <Ampera> ducks are delicious, K
21:22:28 <Halcyon> I'm going to bed
21:22:31 <Ampera> my grandfather bought one for when he comes over later this month, I'm gonna smoke it
21:22:31 <K> err, yea
21:22:31 <Halcyon> I'm pooped
21:22:37 * Ampera poops on Halcyon
21:22:46 <Halcyon> Great, now I have to shower again
21:23:00 <K> nn Halcyon
21:23:09 <Halcyon> Goodnight :)
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21:29:01 <K> that dymo labeling doodad looks reasonable
21:29:54 <Ysjoelfir> that depends on the specific dooderidge of the dadder
21:32:47 * Ampera smacks Ysjoelfir around a bit with an HP calculator
21:32:54 <Ysjoelfir> :O
21:33:03 * Ysjoelfir grabs it and puts it into his collection
21:33:07 <Ampera> oi!
21:33:12 <Ampera> that's mine :/
21:33:27 <Ampera> what HP calculators do you have anyways, Ysjoelfir
21:33:27 <Lemon> heh just got my fake hakko thermometer
21:33:41 <Ampera> I love HP calcs, they're one of the biggest reasons I went so far in math in school
21:33:47 <Ysjoelfir> hmm... ok, you can keep it. and I have none, I just have some random old ones I like the looks of ^^
21:33:54 <Ysjoelfir> which are no HP ones
21:34:11 <Ampera> I have a 48G, a 50G, and the calculator I smacked you with was an HP Prime
21:34:30 <Ysjoelfir> ouch!
21:34:53 <Ampera> lucky I didn't smack you with an HP desktop calculator
21:34:55 <Ampera> that'd have really hurt
21:35:37 <Ampera> HP has a new prime calculator that's supposedly massively upgraded
21:35:38 <Ysjoelfir> I can immagine :D
21:35:52 <Ampera> and I'd love to have one, but I could do all my regular math on my 48G
21:36:12 <Ampera> The prime is great because if the battery runs flat I can recharge it instead of having to find where the fuck I put the AAA's
21:36:20 <Ampera> or, even worse, have to go and buy more
21:39:43 <Ysjoelfir> Thats a nice feature. Though I "invested" in a cheap battery storage holder thingy and just bolted the multi slot charger directly beneath that to the wall. that works nice as well
21:41:16 <Ampera> I never liked rechargeable AA(A) batteries. Even nice ones seemed to rarely work well and would be useless after a while
21:41:34 <Ysjoelfir> realy? I never had issues with them oO
21:42:03 <Ampera> It's got to be a German thing, because my dad loves them
21:42:05 <rust_collector> rechargable batteries is all ikea is good for these days
21:42:13 <Ampera> or at least he used to, there's basically nothing that use AA(A)'s these days
21:42:20 <Ampera> and I can't say that I'm sad about that
21:42:35 <Lemon> ok so my ts100 says 320C
21:42:37 <Ampera> the only thing I'm sad about is I wish more standard liion/lipo types were used
21:42:40 <Lemon> thermometer says 370
21:42:47 <Lemon> there is indeed a 50C delta
21:42:50 <Ampera> it's hot in france
21:43:21 <Lemon> thats neat
21:43:31 <Lemon> I know those thermometers are fairly accurate, to 2-3C
21:43:36 <Ampera> I think I have a TS100, I quite like it
21:43:37 <Lemon> which is fine for a soldering iron
21:43:44 <Lemon> so now I can add the offset in the firmware
21:43:50 <Lemon> then maybe you need to check temp too !
21:43:52 <Ampera> it's a good iron for someone who never uses it
21:43:53 <Lemon> 50C is a big difference
21:43:57 <Lemon> I love it
21:44:00 <Lemon> its my main iron !
21:44:04 <Ampera> lol, my main complaint is it doesn't go hot enough
21:44:10 <Lemon> takes no sapce on the desk
21:44:11 <Lemon> space
21:44:17 <Lemon> you use the custom fw on it ?
21:44:18 <Ampera> it's alright for most lead solder, but if I try to do anything with modern tin solder, like desoldering, it's almost useless
21:44:24 <Ampera> lolno
21:44:32 <Lemon> ha you should then ! because it fixes that
21:44:32 <Ampera> it's an iron, if it heats up and melts lead it's rocket science to me
21:44:43 <Ampera> fixes it not getting hot enough?
21:44:44 <Lemon> it allows it to go higher in temp
21:44:47 <Lemon> yeah
21:44:53 <Lemon> I think stock it limits to 400C ?
21:44:58 <Lemon> and in reality its less
21:45:02 <Ampera> can I switch it to F?
21:45:04 <Ampera> :P
21:45:04 <Lemon> with the custom fw its higher
21:45:08 <Lemon> hehhh probably :>
21:45:15 <Lemon> but its super fast/easy to do
21:45:17 <Ampera> do you have a link to where I can get it?
21:46:25 <Lemon> https://github.com/Ralim/IronOS
21:46:26 <EEVBot> [Title] - GitHub - Ralim/IronOS: Open Source Soldering Iron firmware for Miniware and Pinecil
21:48:06 <Ampera> maybe it was the TS80 I had
21:48:09 <Ampera> because mine doesn't have a batteryh
21:48:31 <Lemon> it doesnt
21:48:44 <Lemon> they dont have any battery afaik
21:48:57 <Lemon> also what power brick do you use ?
21:49:06 <Ampera> idk why they say it's designed to be used on a battery
21:49:08 <Ampera> the one which came with it
21:49:12 <Ampera> barrel jack
21:49:20 <Ampera> I'd have to check the power
21:49:24 <Lemon> yeah but what voltage/amp ?
21:49:31 <Lemon> because in some kits, its too weak
21:49:32 <Ampera> you're really gonna make me get out of my chair?
21:49:34 <Ampera> one sec
21:49:40 <Lemon> haha well thats for you :>
21:49:45 <Lemon> if I can help you about it
21:50:24 <Ampera> 24VDC @ 3A ~= 72W
21:50:44 <Lemon> ok good
21:50:46 <Lemon> thats perfect
21:50:55 <Lemon> so yeah the custom fw should fix the issue
21:51:03 <Ampera> I'll flash it at some point
21:51:05 <Lemon> because I use a 19v one, same amps so less powerful
21:51:15 <Lemon> and I have no issue to solder thick wires, or ground planes with it
21:51:20 <Lemon> it also depends on the tip you use
21:51:27 <Lemon> if you have the super pointy one, it wont work well
21:51:28 <Ampera> I had issues desoldering a button from a mouse
21:51:39 <K> was it dead?
21:51:46 <Ampera> had to break out my old and very battered soldering station
21:51:48 <K> better just to snip it off
21:51:52 <Ampera> K, no it was live and very loud
21:51:57 <Lemon> it also depends on the board, if its a 4/8 layer, and solder used to solder that button
21:52:01 <Ampera> but I don't care, small animals need to feel pain
21:52:02 <Lemon> but it should work fine
21:52:07 <Lemon> I desoldered many things with it
21:52:23 <Lemon> only thing is that temp offset
21:52:24 <Ampera> no I needed the button to replace the button in a different mouse
21:52:24 <Lemon> which is weird
21:52:34 <Ampera> I ended up chucking them both in the bin and will no longer buy mice from EVGA because they're stupid
21:53:16 <Lemon> I have a zowie fk1, and a corsair scimitar
21:53:20 <Lemon> never looked back
21:53:26 <Ampera> are they wired?
21:53:41 <Ampera> and do they look not like a circus
21:53:47 <Ampera> laser tracking is bonus points
21:54:23 <Lemon> both wired, the fk1 is for fps, so pretty sober
21:54:32 <Lemon> the scimitar is for mmo, so tons of buttons, which is nice
21:55:14 <Ampera> fk1 looks sane, but loses points by having the DPI buttons on the bottom of the mouse
21:55:31 <Ampera> my mouse is the ASUS UX300 PRO
21:55:38 <Ampera> and it took me days to find it
21:55:43 <Lemon> well do you change dpi on the fly ?
21:55:46 <Ampera> yes
21:55:49 <Lemon> hmmm ok
21:55:53 <Lemon> then yeah not practical
21:55:56 <Ampera> regularly for CAD and graphics work
21:56:04 <Lemon> you can always bind them to the side I guess
21:56:13 <Ampera> can't, run Linux
21:56:30 <Ampera> whatever software they use probably won't work
21:57:00 <Ampera> I also personally prefer laser tracking, as I find it's a lot more forgiving about surface, where most optical stuff doesn't like much beyond a mousepad
21:57:24 <Ampera> my desk/table has a very messy surface (it's just cheap/old) so a lot of optical mice get upset by it quickly
21:59:19 <Lemon> you dont use a mat ?
21:59:33 <Ampera> all of mine disintegrated out of being old
21:59:35 <Lemon> I have a 90 per 30cm corsair mat, its super nice
21:59:40 <Ampera> and just didn't end up getting another one
21:59:45 <Lemon> its like, 5 y/o, like new
21:59:47 <Ampera> nah, a full table mat would get nasty fast, I eat at my desk
21:59:52 <Lemon> me too xd
22:00:01 <Lemon> its really good
22:00:06 <Lemon> and cleans easily
22:00:08 <Ampera> I prefer the bare table
22:00:17 <Ampera> nothing wrong with it
22:00:19 <Lemon> once a couple years I clean it with lukewarm water and dish soap
22:00:27 <Ampera> sounds like me
22:00:31 <Lemon> ho if it fits yeah, I cant imagine not using a mat tho
22:00:36 <Ampera> I clean myself one a couple years, usually in the kitchen sink
22:00:37 <Lemon> its so soft, much more precise
22:00:45 <Lemon> friend !
22:00:50 <Lemon> ok I need a nap
22:00:55 <Lemon> lets say 3 good hours
22:00:56 <Ampera> if you use a mouse on a table long enough it'll make it smooth
22:01:03 <Ampera> I'd love one
22:01:05 <Ampera> but I'm working
22:01:07 <Ampera> >:(
22:01:15 <Lemon> yeah well, at over 100 bucks the mouse
22:01:22 <Lemon> im not trying xd it ruins pads
22:01:26 <rust_collector> I pretty much hate my mouse, but it does work pretty well on my plastic desk
22:01:30 <Lemon> ok see you soon buds
22:01:37 <K> plastic desk?
22:01:45 <K> do you live in an ikea doll house?
22:02:08 <rust_collector> ikea sort of desk, chipboard with plastic
22:02:40 <Ampera> my mouse is cheap, but it's I think out of production
22:02:42 <Ampera> so it's hard to get it
22:02:55 <Ampera> my desk is an MDF buffet table
22:03:19 <Ampera> it's got a cheap paper wood grain veneer that's totally on its way out
22:03:24 <Ampera> when I move into my own house I'll build a desk
22:03:42 <Ampera> something skookum enough to have a party on top of
22:04:30 <Ampera> I've shown it before, this is my max skrub setup: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/771421774172258314/20201019_085457.png
22:04:36 <K> desk through whole house
22:04:48 <Ampera> only difference is that EVGA mouse is in the fuck it bucket, and I replaced the Model M with a Matias Tactile Pro
22:05:45 <Ampera> I also have a new webcam in the form of a 4K handycam behind the second monitor from the left
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22:28:42 <K> what do you use that rotary telephone for?
22:30:07 <rust_collector> they are nice to hold a hotdog, while you do game things
22:32:13 <Ampera> K, I used it as a telephone until the SSD in my PBX decided to burst into flames
22:32:29 <K> ah.
22:34:08 <coppice> The classic rotary phones make great hammers
22:34:36 <Ampera> depends on how classic you do
22:34:38 <Ampera> *go
22:34:47 <Ampera> not sure I'd want to use a thermoplastic phone as a hammer
22:35:26 <Ampera> er, thermosetting resin I think I meant
22:35:30 <coppice> The classic bakelite phones are really tough
22:35:51 <Ampera> afaik Western Electric never made a bakelite phone
22:35:56 <Ampera> (just as a tangent)
22:36:23 <Ampera> I know they used as similar phenolic material, I think in the Model 302, which is why I'm using careful wording
22:37:13 <Ampera> okay, it was Tenite, a celluloid
22:37:25 <Ampera> was originally made out of cast zinc
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23:31:37 <Guest|1855> bonjour,
23:32:00 <Lord_of_nothing_> OMG what a setup @Ampera
23:32:29 <Ampera> Guest|1855, bonjovi
23:32:51 <Ysjoelfir> watt?
23:32:56 <Lord_of_nothing_> well...?!
23:33:09 <Lord_of_nothing_> Mr. French we speak mostly english here and Austrian.
23:33:25 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon!
23:33:27 <Ampera> Lemon, help!
23:33:28 <Ysjoelfir> fix that!
23:33:35 <K> MAKE IT STOP!
23:33:35 <Ampera> the french have invaded this german channel!
23:33:42 <Ysjoelfir> aaaaargh!
23:33:45 * Ysjoelfir dies in agony
23:33:55 * Ampera evacuates to canada
23:33:59 <K> no no not the baguette!!!111
23:34:10 <Lord_of_nothing_> who was invite in austrian the say
23:34:16 <Guest|1855> Oops sorry I wrote in blog
23:34:53 <rust_collector> That is ok, do you still want me to send an invoice?
23:35:17 <Guest|1855> yes please
23:35:43 <rust_collector> it will be expensive....
23:35:55 <Ampera> at least a million francs
23:36:02 <rust_collector> at least
23:36:11 <rust_collector> canadian francs
23:36:15 <Ampera> the best kind
23:37:38 <rust_collector> heh, I finally figured out how to resize things so I can print them. WOOHOO!
23:38:30 <K> ooh look at the mr fancy pants with a printer
23:38:49 <Ysjoelfir> mr. fancyprints!
23:39:05 <Ampera> my printer is fanciest
23:39:07 <Ampera> it has a duplexer
23:39:19 <Ampera> and is one of those weird one that take ink bottles
23:39:32 <rust_collector> yeah, it turned out like crap, but it fits on the board, so...
23:39:43 <Guest|1855> canadian we speak both french and english and more for others
23:42:34 <K> what about that invoice?
23:43:13 <Ampera> it's in the mail
23:47:45 Quit: Guest|1855 (Guest1855M@bras-base-mtrlpq3015w-grc-22-184-145-153-242.dsl.bell.ca) Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
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23:48:07 * Ysjoelfir raises an eyebrow
23:48:27 * rust_collector raises an elbow
23:51:45 Quit: Guest|1855 (Guest1855U@bras-base-mtrlpq3015w-grc-22-184-145-153-242.dsl.bell.ca) Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
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23:51:55 <Ysjoelfir> Guest|1855
23:52:09 <Ysjoelfir> Please fix your KiwiIRC and make it stop quitting/rejoining all the time
23:54:45 Quit: Guest|1855 (Guest1855M@bras-base-mtrlpq3015w-grc-22-184-145-153-242.dsl.bell.ca) Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
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23:54:53 <Ysjoelfir> Guest|1855
23:57:45 Quit: Guest|1855 (Guest1855M@bras-base-mtrlpq3015w-grc-22-184-145-153-242.dsl.bell.ca) Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
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23:57:57 <Ysjoelfir> ...
23:59:32 <Ampera> you're so sensitive, Ysjoelfir!
23:59:46 <Ysjoelfir> I know. I am very soft and fluffy.
23:59:54 <Ampera> me thinks you might have an allergy to join/quit messages
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