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05:19 <Ampera> NeroTHz, I actually store music on my phone
06:40 <rust_collector> hmm, I noticed that the last batch of trucks we got, had dual sd card slots... which I think is a weird choice
09:03 <rust_collector> sure, they also have usb and aux, and bluetooth, and wifi, but...
10:55 <rust_collector> hmm, ok, the sds are for the navigation stuff
21:57 <rust_collector> whee! my parts are at the local kiwi. I should probably pick those up before work
29:03 <Ysjoelfir> I always wondered where your stuff gets delivered, when I learned that the mailboxes for all people living in a road are usually somewhere at the beginning of the road. :D
31:45 <rust_collector> yeah, but it depends
33:30 <rust_collector> if the swedish post delivers, they have little hooks so they just hang things off the letterbox. if it is something big, they will either take it to the store, or just dump it outside your door. if it is the norwegian post, they will put it at the store, except if you have ordered home delivery
34:50 <rust_collector> hmm, and last week, the wife had ordered a pallet of dog food, so I had to call the office and tell them to just drop it under the roof, by the door.
36:12 <Ysjoelfir> I somehow like that system
36:41 <Ysjoelfir> sounds like a systeh where you usually know where your stuff probably is
37:35 <rust_collector> yeah, it is most of the time at the store, or flapping in the wind around the letterbox, or you will have something blocking your door
38:09 <Ysjoelfir> exactly
38:30 <Ysjoelfir> here its like "we have delivered your package at the specified position"
38:31 <Ysjoelfir> erm...
38:38 <Ysjoelfir> I didn't specify anything?
39:20 <rust_collector> well, both the sewdish post and out post tends to be at the store around 16, so I usually go pick it up there, and the guy is usually happy about not going to our little road in his truck
39:37 <Ysjoelfir> also common: you order something to the Packstation (basically a giant mailbox for packages with individual compartments). get a message: your package was delivered to your packstation *somewhere like 20 kilometers away* as you specified
39:51 <Ysjoelfir> hehe^^
39:57 <rust_collector> that is nice
40:48 <Ysjoelfir> Thats especially nice if you have specified the Packstation which is like 100 meters from your apartment, so that you don't have to drive into the middle of the city where there are no parkind spots to collect your package
40:49 <rust_collector> they are starting to use those box-boxes here too. I have not really seen one yet
41:01 <rust_collector> right
42:02 <Ysjoelfir> and a very special treat for me: "We delivered your package to *the post office I am not allowed to enter anymore and I explicitly state on my doorbell, that under no circumstances packages are to be delivered there*"
42:12 <rust_collector> then you call and tell them to fix their mistake, and they say "yes, certainly, right away mr sir" then they pick it out of the box, and go 50km the other way, and put it in a box there
42:46 <Ysjoelfir> no, they are like "pff, touch luck, try to get it, if you don't get it in 5 days we just return it to the sender on his cost"
42:49 <rust_collector> ooh, up here it is hard to get banned from the post office
42:50 <Ysjoelfir> *tough
43:48 <rust_collector> I guess I have an easier time than most, being a "mailman"
44:20 <rust_collector> no one down at the store even looks at me if I raid their shelves, which is nice
44:53 <Ysjoelfir> well, I managed to do that here because the owner of that "post shop" (its not even an office, its like a kiosk which happenes to do post stuff, too, as real offices are to expensive to maintain for german post) is a dick. they have stickers in their windows like "parking is only allowed for 5 minutes and only for customers". so I parked there, went out, got my mail, went one step away from my car to go to the ATM machine at the next
44:53 <Ysjoelfir> building, and he came out, screaming at me. which I didn't appreciate.
45:01 <Ysjoelfir> lol
45:51 <rust_collector> he was just trying to have a conversation...
46:01 <rust_collector> ok, I have to go. have fun
46:04 <Ysjoelfir> no, he was a dickhead
46:11 <rust_collector> yes, as I said
46:13 <Ysjoelfir> I'm leaving work, too. enjoy your work rusty :)
46:21 <rust_collector> NEVERRRR!
46:27 <Ysjoelfir> and don't steal that many mails today!
46:59 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jHQqcky_Aw
47:22 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
01:22 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, Ysjoelfir ..
01:35 <hsn> just wasted 2 hours drawing somthing
01:52 <hsn> and i might make some company named guide or document / standard ..
02:03 <hsn> what ever will convince the boss that im proffessional
02:27 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/q2cWLw.jpg
02:47 <hsn> remove names and dimensions and put some table with 2-3 sizes of wires and contacts xD
02:59 <hsn> to make it look like woah this guy calculated things
03:04 * electrohead viciously chokes nvidia and their drivers
03:34 <hsn> electrohead, did u try chineese type stuff drivers?
03:43 <electrohead> huh?
04:39 <hsn> china PC hardware
05:10 <hsn> manufacturers
08:04 <electrohead> ok
10:15 <coppice> hsn: crimp it. solder is a route to terrible reliability
11:05 <hsn> coppice but the wire size = max contact size
11:33 <hsn> i cant make 2 wires in the crimp area
12:03 <electrohead> 'solder is a route to terrible reliability' can I ask how so?
12:39 <coppice> hsn: then use a crimp sleeve of a suitable size to merge the 2 wire. solder and multi-strand cable == quick failures if the wiring is subject to any level of flexing
12:57 <coppice> electrohead: wicking
13:59 <electrohead> that explains so much, thank you
14:27 <coppice> look it up. its a well documented problem with soldering multi-strand cables
14:48 <hsn> ok
14:52 <hsn> thanks coppice
21:28 <electrohead> fuck yes, finally got my damn nvidia card to work on my laptop
21:32 * electrohead still kicks it
21:56 <electrohead> for how much I love linux, sometimes it can be a damn headache
22:22 <electrohead> coppice: sorry if I came off like an a-hole a tiny bit
23:01 <electrohead> but, what's the actual issue with multi-strand cables? I ask because I've never ran into issues with soldering wires like that
29:29 <coppice> the solder wicks up the strands. Where it stops you have a stress point. It doesn't take a lot of flexing of your flexible cable to make the wire break off at that point. if you are using multi-strand inside a box, and the cable won't get flexed after final assembly, it may not matter too much
31:47 <hsn> what if u cable tie the cables before the solder point with short distance
31:51 <hsn> coppice
32:46 <electrohead> ahh ok, yeah I see your point with that. I normally utilize strain relief the best I can to make sure that doesn't happen
33:47 <electrohead> also, technically you can use heat clamps (if that's the correct term) on the wire to help prevent that
52:56 <coppice> heat clamps reduce how far the wicking goes, but they don't really stop the problem
55:06 <clarkos> Coppoce, is that why the wire is sometimes stiff behind the insulation but near the solder joint?
55:17 <hsn> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/crimp-*and*-solder-a-crimp-connector-good-bad/
55:18 <coppice> yes
55:57 <clarkos> Ah good to know.
56:58 <clarkos> I personally hate bare wires soldered to boards.
57:38 <clarkos> Some manufacturers will poke the wire through a hole then in the PCB then through the actual solder joint.
57:51 <clarkos> So any flexing of the wires then is on the wire itself, not the joint.
58:04 <electrohead> I do the same as well with wires and PCBs
58:10 <electrohead> works well :)
58:25 <clarkos> It's a zero cost option too lol.
58:42 <electrohead> https://www.amazon.com/CLIP-HEAT-SINK-KIT/dp/B0032UYTV6
58:52 <electrohead> and, these are the heat sinks/clamps I was refering to
59:14 <electrohead> I have had a bunch of these for a long time, and still use them
00:09 <electrohead> also, for how tacky it could be, hot glue is a saint for strain relief
00:24 <electrohead> well, depends on visibility xD
00:48 <Ampera> well I poked my head up at the news for the first time in a while
01:07 <Ampera> to find that people are still rioting and breaking shit, burning buildings down
01:54 <electrohead> funny you just said that, man
02:00 <electrohead> was just reading about the latest and greatest
02:07 <electrohead> wisconsin is the latest victim, yay
02:17 <Ampera> so was I, and how his family is begging everyone to not destroy entire neighborhoods
02:24 <electrohead> it's a fucking shame
02:26 <electrohead> =\
02:39 <Ampera> It's a case of nobody is winning, everyone is losing
02:58 <Ampera> the police doesn't get better because now they have all the justification they need to get violent
02:58 <electrohead> \o/
03:14 <Ampera> and innocent civilians are losing their homes, businesses, and property
03:16 <Ampera> and in some case lives
03:30 <electrohead> I just watched a video of some dude shooting a bunch of people, you see that one yet?
03:35 <Ampera> which one
03:36 <coppice> Ampera: whenever bad things are happening, somebody is winning. A handful of tech owners made $35B just last week by stirring up trouble
03:52 <Ampera> coppice, I don't doubt the media is winning
04:04 <coppice> no, the media is crumbling
04:26 <Ampera> maybe their servers are due to load, this is a sensation and everyone is talking about it
04:40 <electrohead> oh, wait, there's multiple videos of people shooting people in wisconsin, now
04:41 <Ampera> which probably means engagement is up like nuts across the board
04:43 <electrohead> my bad >.<
04:48 <coppice> but the media is seeing layoffs all over the place
04:52 <Ampera> electrohead, across America
05:15 <Ampera> coppice, I've noticed it's largely been with some of the particularly shittier media outlets
05:34 <Ampera> the sorta vice/vox/huffpost/buzzfeed tier shit
05:35 <coppice> they are all particularly shitty
05:48 <coppice> CNN, MSNBC, NBC, NYT
05:55 <Ampera> no tears cried over them
06:08 <Ampera> especially the NYT, I've seen some really awful, racist shit coming out of them recently
06:10 <Ampera> not that I keep up with them
06:48 <electrohead> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOck_ciFt5w
06:59 <electrohead> I'm trying to find links that aren't on reddit or other weird sites
07:03 <Ampera> electrohead, if that's video of people being shot I don't want it here
07:12 <electrohead> that's a news clip
07:18 <Ampera> well I wasn't clicking it to find out
07:44 <Ampera> it's just a warning
07:54 <electrohead> you're warning me, huh?
08:08 <Ampera> Yes, because I do not want videos of people being shot in the channel
08:12 <coppice> Ampera: most of them are racist. its this year's hottest fashion, but you call it anti-racist
08:24 <Ampera> coppice, oh yeah, it's racism but cool now
09:05 <Ampera> Violence is excuse for violence, racism is excuse for racism.
09:48 <Ampera> I guess people in general will never truly understand the basics of peace and getting change.
10:19 <Ampera> Sorta makes one wish more shits were given to our education system
10:58 <coppice> oh, your education system has certainly been shat upon
11:29 <Ampera> all of our systems have, because, just like the populous, the government is full of people who don't understand how to cooperate and lay down arms
11:34 <electrohead> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDmOGN-x0ls
11:43 <electrohead> (that's a clip from south park)
12:06 <electrohead> and, not sure if that's even playable in some countries
14:54 <coppice> then make it playable. remember, the only true power is violence.
15:29 <Ampera> coppice, a power the US has in equal measure it seems, so it's ultimately a waiting game to see who goes too far first
15:31 <electrohead> lol
16:38 <coppice> so, VW bought Seat and established it as a source of budget restyled VWs. Now Seat has a luxury brand, Cupra. How is that supposed to work?
17:50 <Ampera> coppice, maybe it's a money laundering scheme
18:14 <coppice> Ampera: the republicans may be a awful shower, but it seems like every place run by the democrats has turned into a large public toilet. How do they have such a hold on their voters that they never get kicked out?
18:47 <Ampera> coppice, because for years (and for some people still today) there was a hero and villain mentality in society in a lot of places
18:57 <Ampera> where democrats were by default the good guys, and voting for republicans was like voting for hitler
19:05 <Ampera> when in reality they're both equally garbage
19:56 <Ampera> Democrats were/are the socialists, so they had all this fancy people loving stuff in mind that people lapped up
20:12 <coppice> for all their faults, republican run places seem head and shoulders above the democrats right now
20:44 <Ampera> It's always a mixed bag, but I'd say so. The issue really is having too much of either
20:52 <coppice> The democrats have always been the party of slavery and racism. They just created the illusion of change in the 1960s
21:07 <electrohead> you two should become politicians :P
21:37 <Ampera> coppice, it's not quite that simple I'm afraid, but you're not that wrong either.
22:00 <Ampera> The matter is that the parties really don't have ideologies, they are more overblown voting tribes and cool kids clubs
22:22 <Ampera> and borderline gangs in recent years, where simply having the wrong voting opinion was/is enough to get you fired in some places
22:33 <Ampera> and I mean /fired/
22:41 <Ampera> like, out of a cannon, into orbit
23:00 <coppice> they do have ideologies. republicans == big business first. democrats == wall street and rent seekers first
23:38 <Ampera> The sad part is those are often the same people
24:13 <Ampera> I've given up with caring about parties
24:28 <electrohead> maybe the whole underlying system needs to be changed, and delete the multiple sides within one country
24:35 <electrohead> but, that's my only opinion
24:36 <Ampera> I'm personally non-aligned
25:03 <Ampera> The federation is a sound concept and is largely what's made a terrible situation not truly catastrophic
25:14 <Ampera> Er
25:29 <Ampera> nvm, I thought you said states, not sides
25:46 <electrohead> ;)
26:03 <hsn> so whats up with rioting .. why ?
26:13 <Ampera> People are bored and stupid
26:34 <Ampera> There are genuine problems, but people who are actually upset are protesting not rioting
26:56 <coppice> hsn: inprision the population for a while, and what do you expect?
27:05 <Ampera> That too
27:33 <hsn> coppice we have that but no power to riot xD
27:51 <hsn> so we just shut our asses
27:58 <electrohead> who else thinks that there are too many opinions in this world?
28:02 <hsn> and say .. yes sirs
28:03 <Ampera> the issue here is rioters are a catch 22
28:11 <Ampera> do nothing, and they will destroy everything
28:24 <Ampera> do something, and you're gonna have to use lethal force on civilians
28:33 <Ampera> electrohead, not me
28:38 <electrohead> I can tell
28:39 <Ampera> diversity of opinion is not the problem
28:46 <Ampera> it's people who hate diversity of opinion who are the problem
29:05 <Ampera> specifically people who will act out if someone disagrees with them, instead of trying to find a mutually beneficial compromise
29:18 <Ampera> yaknow, children
30:40 <Ampera> I'd say right now the common fault with Democrats is their insane unwillingness to cooperate with anyone ever
31:02 <Ampera> as they (being a generalization) have the thought in their head that if people are not with them, they're against them all the way
31:11 <electrohead> seriously man, become a politician, I'd back you
31:23 <Ampera> the issue with that is I don't have money
31:31 <Ampera> politics, more than anything else, is a sponsorship battle
31:41 <Ampera> and I am very much against the very concept of money in politics
31:50 <electrohead> you don't have money? o.O
31:52 <electrohead> lol
31:58 <Ampera> not on the order required to gain office
32:02 <electrohead> :p
32:09 <coppice> Ampera: no good politician spends their own money
32:11 <Ampera> The reason anyone becomes President, for example, is that they had enough money
32:26 <Ampera> coppice, of course, but I detest the notion of spending the money of private companies for political ends
32:35 <Ampera> and that's exactly what I would have to do in order to gain political power
33:14 <electrohead> you need to know the right people, as well
33:32 <Ampera> people I don't care to know
33:46 <Ampera> ultimately politics used to be a hobby of mine, but I realized that it's really a futile effort, especially right now
33:49 <electrohead> "the big club"
33:54 <electrohead> and none of us are a part of it
33:57 <Ampera> I'll come back when people have settle the fuck down and learned to behave like rational people
34:03 * Ampera checks watch
34:07 <Ampera> so about a thousand years
34:16 <electrohead> and history repeats.
34:25 * electrohead finishes eating his popcorn
38:51 <hsn> poorn?
39:50 * electrohead hides his porn stash
41:32 <coppice> "advanced cancer" sounds so much better than plain old "cancer"
42:52 <electrohead> lol
43:09 <electrohead> you should put a version/revision number next to it
43:16 <Ampera> coppice, wait until you get cancer in SLI
48:11 <coppice> "What if We Could Live for a Million Years?" - I think I'd need to see a dentist
48:39 <electrohead> a million years? holy shit
48:53 <coppice> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-if-we-could-live-for-a-million-years/?utm_source=pocket-newtab-global-en-GB
49:03 <Ampera> I don't want to live now and I've only been alive for 18
49:13 <electrohead> there would be a lot of damn people by then, hahaha
49:51 <coppice> Ampera: don't worry. it won't last forever
50:10 <Ampera> coppice, I don't want it to last at all
50:58 <electrohead> Ampera: so, I'm starting to work on this phone, got the cameras working finally
51:09 <electrohead> had to manually compile the drivers for them
51:29 <Ampera> nice, are they any good?
51:38 <electrohead> they aren't bad at all :)
52:21 <electrohead> the front camera could be a slightly higher resolution, but no complaining about it
53:58 <coppice> electrohead: which phone are you working with?
54:27 <electrohead> the pinephone
54:37 <electrohead> UBports edition
55:51 <electrohead> mm, not the newest revision that has the more memory and storage *
57:02 <coppice> An Allwinner based phone? I didn't know they made ULP silicon for phones
58:34 <Ampera> coppice, ultimately it was just not going to be powerful enough for what I wanted it for, and I didn't have time to set it up and get it going, so I gave it to electrohead
58:40 <Ampera> (used to be my phone)
58:52 <Ampera> Their Pinebook Pro is a far more compelling option
59:20 <electrohead> I like their hardware more for the prices, doesn't kill the pocket much
59:33 <Ampera> honestly that phone was insanely expensive for the hardware it has in it
59:46 <Ampera> it was more of an impulse buy to be honest
00:00 <Ampera> I'm just glad you got something fun to play with
00:21 <electrohead> yeah, thanks again
01:01 <electrohead> I'm going to get the pinetime watch to play with for sure
01:08 <electrohead> well, just because
02:40 <electrohead> but, I have car parts to buy, and my car to work on, before I decide to put a lot of time into this phone, and go after the watch. one thing at a time
02:59 <Ampera> my car is another story entirely
05:55 <electrohead> I left mine sit around a bit too long, now I get to deal with a small mold issue, and a few rust spots here and there. also need to fix the dent in the side from the damn tree stump (going off road/rallying)
10:23 <coppice> mould? is the car a bit leaky?
13:43 <electrohead> a tiny bit, but the bigger issue is that I live on a hill, and don't have a garage
13:53 Join: Nothing\ ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
14:01 <Nothing\> heyall
14:03 <Ampera> Nothing\ to see here
14:09 * Ampera hugs Nothing\ 
14:12 <electrohead> so it's parked facing downhill, and water pools up on the back somewhere, and then slowly leaks in
14:14 <electrohead> yay
14:15 <Nothing\> i noticed the fans on my gpu aren't moving
14:35 <Nothing\> i'm wondering if it's an energy saving thing where they turn on only when needed so i'm gonna do a stress test to see
14:36 <Ampera> That can be normal if they're not under load
14:55 <Ampera> I'd say it's more about noise, but yeah
14:58 <electrohead> does the heat sink feel hot to the touch?
14:58 <Ampera> they don't spin if they're not needed
14:59 <Nothing\> yeah and it's a 1660ti so i'd imagine it has that feature
15:03 <Ampera> yep
15:24 <Nothing\> oh yeah lol
15:29 <Nothing\> jim jong un is gonna die
15:33 <Ampera> If you want to check if they're still working, download a tool like MSI Afterburner, and you can manually control the fan speed in it
15:43 <Ampera> he's been in a coma for months
15:45 <Nothing\> Ampera, heh that's exactly what i'm doing
15:46 <Ampera> so probably
15:55 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeah they figured his public appearances were fake
16:00 <Nothing\> which i totally agree with
16:24 <Nothing\> most recent pic i saw of him before i read the other articles i remember thinking he didn't look right somehow
16:39 <Ampera> I wonder how the more female dictators people are feeling now
16:56 <Nothing\> "he looks funny. but not 'ha ha' funny"
17:15 <Nothing\> well they're gonna bring his sister in as leader
17:23 <Nothing\> but they think she'll be more hardline than he was
17:32 <Nothing\> a bigger despot
17:43 <Ampera> back when I was still on Twitter, and this all came out
17:54 <Ampera> there were a bunch of people who were really excited that it was gonna be a female dictator
18:03 <Ampera> and were upset that north korea was going to get a female leader before the US
18:12 <Nothing\> lol yeah no shit
18:19 <Ampera> which is the kind of brain damage I believe constitutes a mercy killing to be honest.
18:23 <Nothing\> hell, the US even has its own gulags
18:40 <Ampera> depends on how you define gulag
18:42 <Nothing\> they're not called such, but i guarantee you the conditions are probably just bad
18:51 <Nothing\> maybe not the food
19:00 <Ampera> we have torture prisons, like Guantanamo Bay
19:07 <Nothing\> watching larry lawton's channel, i'd wager the federal system is fucked
19:12 <Nothing\> yeah
19:23 <Nothing\> even regular prisons are torture prisons
19:28 <Ampera> but I'd rather go to a for-profit federal prison than a North Korean concentration camp
19:34 <Ampera> not on the scale of North Korea
19:43 <Nothing\> on larry lawton's channel he talked about how he was in the hole for 11 monhs straight
19:54 <Ampera> I'd rather be in the hole
19:57 <Nothing\> the guy next to him was losing his shit cuz who wouldn't
19:59 <coppice> there is a whole generation that needs to read the Gulag Archipelago
20:05 <Nothing\> so the SORT team came in
20:09 <Nothing\> beat him severely
20:10 <Ampera> I've seen the torture mechanisms they use in north korea
20:25 <Ampera> I'm not saying the US system is good, but we're not North Korea
20:28 <Nothing\> and broke his leg so bad, larry could hear the snap from his cell next door
21:09 <Ampera> I definitely believe that solitary confinement is a cruel punishment
21:16 <Ampera> and that for profit-prisons should be illegal
21:23 <Nothing\> Ampera, me too
21:45 <Ampera> but considering we can't keep people from burning town entire towns and suburbs, there's not much hope for that happening any time soon
21:48 <Nothing\> apparently with this covid thing, every juvenile who enters the prison system has to stay in solitary for 3 weeks straight
22:08 <Ampera> the only sort of punitive reform we get is idiots like Cuomo releasing all light offenders and setting bail to zero
22:13 <Nothing\> anywho i'we gotta go get weed
22:18 <Ampera> have fun
22:21 <Nothing\> yeah we need to focus more on reform
22:27 <Nothing\> the system's a fucking joke
22:31 <Nothing\> if there ever was one
22:33 <Ampera> well you're Canadian
22:42 <Nothing\> it's not as bad here, but it's bad
22:43 <Ampera> but the US is too busy being fucking retarded for reform
22:46 <coppice> Ampera: Didn't cuomo release a rapist who's first action was to go and kill his victim?
22:59 <Ampera> coppice, I have no clue
23:07 <Nothing\> dude
23:15 <Ampera> and I'm hesitant to say cuomo did whatever because there's someone else who's supposed to take the fall for it
23:23 <Nothing\> there are fucking pics of clinton getting a massage from giuffre, epstein's sex slave
23:28 <Nothing\> and nobody's done a thing about it
23:52 <Ampera> that's what money does
23:52 <Nothing\> prince andrew's still at large, like giuffre said if it were anyone else he'd be in prison
23:56 <Nothing\> but not a royal
24:05 <coppice> Ampera: they let out really serious offenders when the COVID thing started. Just like murdering the elderly in care homes I guess it cuts the government's costs
24:24 <Nothing\> coppice, lol i was let out
24:33 <Nothing\> i was supposed to be serving weekends since february
24:43 <Ampera> coppice, don't worry, they're having the people they haven't let out manufacture hand sanitizer for pennies an hour
24:44 <Nothing\> and my sentence just ended last weekend
24:52 <Nothing\> i spent all of 5 weekends behind bars
24:58 <Nothing\> which, i actually kinda liked
25:02 <Ampera> because it's not slavery if you don't consider them people
25:06 <Nothing\> it was fun in there, aside from the lack of freedom
25:16 <Nothing\> just sat around, shooting the shit and watching tv
25:22 <Nothing\> or reading if nothing good's on
25:32 <coppice> Ampera: its only slavery when its other country's prisoners
25:55 <Ampera> haha
25:58 <Nothing\> coppice, what about US slavery?
26:09 <Nothing\> anyways brb
26:20 <Ampera> what do you think US slaves were
26:43 <Ampera> they were POWs sold by other africans who captured them
26:51 <Ampera> largely anyways
27:12 <Ampera> but that's not often mentioned because there has to be a bad guy and a good guy in slavery, and the truth just mixes it up too much
28:20 <coppice> I find it interesting that they people in the US who complain the most about how awful slavery in the US was seem perfectly content with slavery right now
28:57 <Ampera> coppice, most often the people complaining aren't even descended from slaves
30:14 <Ampera> People here, and potentially in the world have a nice habit of using the historical and present pain and suffering of people as leverage to gain political and economic power
30:25 Part: electrohead ([email protected]) from #EEVblog (/dev/null)
30:58 <Ampera> like how apparently there was a BLM donations page that ended up directing most of its funds to the democratic party
37:27 <coppice> so, how many black lives did people donate?
38:44 <Ampera> coppice, some people I wouldn't have expected to donate did
38:52 <Ampera> which is really sad as those all ended up being political donations
39:17 <coppice> Ampera: there will be lots of "please don't hurt me" donations
39:22 <Ampera> What's even dumber is that BLM is an amorphous collective
39:31 <Ampera> They have no leaders, there are no members
39:38 <Ampera> there is no vote as to how to spend those funds
39:52 <Ampera> Organization is usually sparse and local for any protests or events
29:55 <Nothing\> there
30:33 <Nothing\> 80mg of methadone, 195mg of dextromethorphan, some amount of pot, 15mg of ativan
30:47 <Nothing\> plus whatever nitrous they give me 70/30 mix he told me
31:00 <Nothing\> that oughta see me through this dentist apt
31:10 <Nothing\> getting 2 teeth pulled, fun times
31:16 <Nothing\> surgically
31:25 <steve30> ouch
31:41 <Nothing\> yeah i'm hoping i'll be as out of it as i was last time i had an extraction
31:50 <Nothing\> cuz i didn't even notice him take the teeth out
31:54 <Nothing\> much less feel any pain
38:36 <Ampera> Nothing\, nice horse tranquilizer
40:28 <Nothing\> frankly you'd be lucky if it didn't kill the horse
40:49 <Nothing\> the methadone alone would be a fatal dose to a regular person with no tolerance
41:09 <Nothing\> it even says so on the bottle
41:11 <Ampera> nothing more tranquil than death :P
41:18 <Nothing\> lol
41:25 <Nothing\> mortuease
41:47 <Nothing\> kevorkian's own special blend
42:14 <Nothing\> lol i came across a strain of weed at the pot shop the other day called "justin trudeau"
42:25 <Ampera> was it black?
42:28 <Nothing\> it's funny sometimes the names they came up with these
42:31 <Nothing\> lol no
42:40 <Ampera> ah, it was only pretending to be then
42:45 <Nothing\> exactly
43:01 <Nothing\> bah, gotta call my PO in a few minutes
43:10 <Nothing\> busy day today (for me)
43:14 <Ampera> have fun
43:24 <Nothing\> she's usually pretty easy to get along with
43:36 <Ampera> that's good
43:45 <Nothing\> just asksi if i've been behaving, if i've had any contact with cops etc and that that
43:59 <Nothing\> sometimes asks about the cats cuz i told her when i got smokey
44:54 <Nothing\> eh maybe i'll call now
44:55 <Nothing\> brb
01:12 <hsn> https://hackaday.com/2020/08/26/new-arduino-jpeg-library-focuses-on-speed/
03:03 <hsn> https://www.engadget.com/chrome-tab-groups-10-times-faster-160053379.html
13:12 Quit: Nothing\ ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
38:34 <hsn> https://www.instagram.com/p/CEWO3_RqmVp/?igshid=1x3itutefrhmv
48:15 * electrohead waves at Ampera
48:23 * electrohead gets particled
49:46 <hsn> https://www.instagram.com/reel/CEUQ_20gbXw/?igshid=xq24akslrrgr
51:43 <hsn> https://www.instagram.com/p/CESwfVrq_ZP/?igshid=1r8qpc7ba7m5u
25:00 Quit: NeroTHz ([email protected]) EOF from client
49:31 <rust_collector> hsn, wth are you spamming for? you could at least write random crap, not just copy links
50:03 <hsn> rust_collector, random crap
50:30 <rust_collector> better
50:34 <hsn> xD
50:52 <hsn> also i was almost sleeping u vibrated me
51:06 <rust_collector> you can thank me tomorrow
51:17 <hsn> i thank u tonight
51:24 <rust_collector> oh. any time
51:26 <rust_collector> hsn,
51:30 <hsn> i ve video to complete
51:34 <rust_collector> oh
51:35 <hsn> xD
51:57 <rust_collector> hsn, DRRRRRRRRR!
52:09 <hsn> yes im in same window
52:24 <hsn> no vibration for now
52:41 <hsn> its crimping video
55:35 <rust_collector> STOP OVERTHINKING IT!!! arrgh, use the tool you are supposed to use with the end thingie, and just do it
58:11 <rust_collector> hsn, ?? are you still in the same window?
58:13 <hsn> no not overthinking at all .. just got intrested after coppice inputs
58:47 <rust_collector> ok, I guess he had some kind of fact-like things
58:57 <hsn> yeah i slept again on the video so i closed the video and came to say gn
59:08 <rust_collector> arrrgh
59:20 <hsn> yeah found 2 post on eevblog that i ll read
59:31 <rust_collector> so, you will almost crimp it, then spot weld them?
59:33 <hsn> and somthing called cold weld
59:56 <rust_collector> right. that is a pretty interesting thing.
00:14 <hsn> well for now i ll stick with soldering them then crimping
00:28 <rust_collector> soldering then crimping?
00:43 <rust_collector> that seems if nothing else backwards to me, but
00:53 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/HMEqVwUYojFXq9HU7
01:33 <rust_collector> oh, yes. but try to keep the solder out of where will crimp
01:34 <hsn> later for non prototype i may do that ring crimp thingy
02:08 <hsn> yes 5-10mm away to avoid stiffness
02:51 <rust_collector> If you care, I think I would go further back, and remove the insulation and solder it there. but yeah, same idea, I guess
03:03 <hsn> but im still intrested to learn about it .. not for the job it self ... for my knowledge .. so little more research tmrw
03:26 <hsn> with lighter suggestion?
03:58 <rust_collector> if you look at the powerline stuff, they tend to have a bit about crimping and cold welding, and stuff.
04:10 <rust_collector> not with the lighter, but...
04:47 <rust_collector> nah, just get it hooked up and working, it will be fine
04:51 <hsn> cool will check few vids tommorow always fun
05:10 <rust_collector> it is just bigger, the idea stays the same
07:32 <rust_collector> well, good night, hsn
07:49 <hsn> gn enjoy ur dreams
00:25 Join: Nothing\ ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
00:31 <Nothing\> well that wsanvt' so bad
00:41 <rust_collector> hey Nothing\
01:00 <Nothing\> a tad more intexicated than i anticipated but that'llw wear ff
01:10 <rust_collector> ok, what?
01:13 <Nothing\> rust_collector, hey rushhey you been
01:28 <Nothing\> oh i just had a root canada
01:32 <rust_collector> iben goomang
01:46 <rust_collector> canada is rooted? ok, nice
01:52 <Nothing\> and i could still feel it despite pain relief-
02:24 <Nothing\> do what?
02:57 <rust_collector> sure you can feel it. but that is good. as long as it is done, you are going to hate tomorrow
15:20 Join: Ysjoelfir_ ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
17:14 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
18:58 <electrohead> :P
18:58 <Halcyon> Nerds
18:58 <Ampera> Halcyon, it's just some light comedy
18:58 <Halcyon> Heheh it just keeps coming
01:28 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, what he is doing .. charging him self on the chair ?? https://youtu.be/MO0r930Sn_8?t=390
02:11 <Ysjoelfir> yes. :D
05:56 <Halcyon> ROFL: https://youtu.be/3alLlPjTX1I?t=164
06:02 <Halcyon> I love the next lady
06:08 <Halcyon> Makes me laugh out loud
10:50 <hsn> will u marry her? if not leave the feelings ..
11:10 <Halcyon> :P
30:53 <electrohead> o/
31:06 <Ysjoelfir> hi mr. head
31:13 <electrohead> hey mr. fir
31:37 <Ysjoelfir> how can you know that I'm a mr? :P
31:53 <electrohead> oh, well in that case, what are you?
31:57 <electrohead> guy or girl?
32:47 <Ysjoelfir> I am an artificial intelligence, omnipresent in the universe. So you can say I am nothing. or anything. depends on your view of things.
32:59 <rust_collector> do you mean while he is at work of after work, and what happans when he has his lunch?
33:07 <Ysjoelfir> XD
35:03 <rust_collector> I should be less lazy, and find something that is a bit more load than this little fan....
36:19 <rust_collector> oh, and is (F2) a place in china?
36:37 * Ysjoelfir hands rust_collector a red onion van which should be heavy enough to load his thing
36:46 <Ysjoelfir> I dunno about china. ask mr. head :)
37:02 <rust_collector> could be factory 2, I guess
37:37 <hsn> formoula 2
38:35 <electrohead> ask me about what?
38:42 <rust_collector> china
38:42 <hsn> about f2
38:42 <Ysjoelfir> things.
38:49 <Ysjoelfir> lol
39:01 <hsn> guys .. one answer
39:02 <hsn> xD
39:13 <electrohead> ??
39:32 <hsn> 3 guys cant troll joke with different answers ..
39:53 <rust_collector> one answer, 3 questions
40:00 <electrohead> so you all are messing with me?
40:07 <hsn> no
40:10 <Ysjoelfir> noone would
40:14 <hsn> what are we
40:29 <electrohead> y'all are weird
40:32 <hsn> teletubbies to u ?
40:42 <hsn> u think we are a joke ?
40:47 <electrohead> I do, now
40:50 <electrohead> ;P
40:53 <hsn> xD
41:05 <rust_collector> hsn, are you communist or something?
41:32 <hsn> rusty, im a lot of things in one thing
42:26 <hsn> i tend to be little of many things.. but in reality idk what im ..
43:33 <rust_collector> a simple yes would do...
43:49 <hsn> i can say im not with "minority rule"
45:15 <hsn> im not fully with communisim or democracy or dectatorship type of things .. but somewhere in between all of the three i guess ?
46:15 <electrohead> yay politics
47:03 <hsn> nah
47:12 <hsn> no politics for me
47:31 <rust_collector> just normal tics
48:37 <rust_collector> they hide in one of his ac units while he is home, until he falls asleep
48:49 <Ysjoelfir> or just ruditics
49:33 <hsn> the world is full of egoism .. i just hate all type of whatever is this "politics things" called ..
50:22 <hsn> tics?
50:25 <rust_collector> oh crap, now I wish I had asked ak or ar or something simple like that
50:47 <hsn> rusty but .. i got 1 ac that is leaking water
50:50 <hsn> in the wall ..
51:10 <rust_collector> oh good. uhm, make it stop doing that?
51:15 <hsn> u think these tics are full in that ac?
51:18 <electrohead> ew, not good
51:34 <Ysjoelfir> those must be the ruditics
51:35 <electrohead> make sure you don't have a mold issue, then, that'll suck the worst
51:40 <Ysjoelfir> they are always rude and make things leak
51:49 <Ysjoelfir> hsn won't have mold
51:54 <Ysjoelfir> its too hot there for mold to grow
52:05 <electrohead> ahh, just his vagina gets moldy then? xD
52:06 <Ysjoelfir> it'll just burst into flames the second it builds up
52:26 <Ysjoelfir> That you must ask his wife :D I am not involved in that
52:30 <electrohead> lmfao
52:40 <rust_collector> which can be a problem inside a wall, but as his house is made out of stone and mud...
52:56 <Ysjoelfir> vaginas can be a problem inside a wall?
53:00 <rust_collector> yes
53:02 <hsn> mold is the thing that grow on bread?
53:07 <Ysjoelfir> yes
53:09 <electrohead> and vaginas
53:10 <Ysjoelfir> that fluffy stuff
53:17 <Ysjoelfir> tastes like mushroom
53:18 <rust_collector> and in walls
53:20 <Ysjoelfir> probably because it is
53:50 <rust_collector> that could have something to do with it
54:08 <hsn> u think someone put mashroom into my wall ?
54:09 <hsn> :D
54:55 <rust_collector> it is not impossible. but... I guess you should look at that
55:27 <hsn> i say its just some dust
56:08 <rust_collector> maybe, and that makes it more worth looking at, because you can just take the dust away, and not have water in your wall?
56:55 <hsn> yeah .. i hve to open it from inside side
57:09 <hsn> inside flat
57:19 * electrohead pokes Halcyon
57:24 <hsn> and check that drain pipe
57:42 <rust_collector> get to the other end of the pipe, and blow into it
57:55 <rust_collector> ?
57:57 <hsn> i think i cant reach the other end
58:18 <hsn> i didnt check but i think its burried inside wall ..
58:38 <rust_collector> it has to exit somewhere?
59:11 <hsn> i didnt invistigate anything im too busy this week with job + father in hospital so i just tend to open all other 3 ACs and keep doors open
00:07 <rust_collector> ok. is the old man seriously ill? that is no fun
00:45 <hsn> yeah
00:58 <hsn> so rusty dont they make u shape
01:01 <hsn> in drainage pipe
01:18 <hsn> U shape
01:49 <hsn> to make water seal
01:50 <hsn> ?
02:02 <rust_collector> I do not think they do on things like that. that is more if you go into a sewer system, or somewhere you do not want anything to go back up
03:38 <hsn> mostly smells
03:39 <hsn> ?
03:45 <rust_collector> mostly yes
03:55 <Ysjoelfir> and rats
03:56 <Ysjoelfir> and bugs
04:11 <hsn> and sound
04:12 <hsn> ?
04:16 <electrohead> anyone know x86_64 assembly in here?
04:26 <rust_collector> and on low flow things, they make awesome places for gegionella
04:41 <rust_collector> with an l
04:56 <Ysjoelfir> indeed
06:30 <rust_collector> on an ac unit, I guess it is just a hose going outside somewhere
12:04 <electrohead> there's an AC unit above my door, that hasn't been used in a long time, because of that same issue
12:36 <electrohead> water got within the door's molding, and everything swelled up
14:43 <rust_collector> purrfection
19:11 <rust_collector> hmm, post says I will have brake parts tomorrow, that will be fun
19:34 <hsn> electrohead, whats with x86
19:40 <rust_collector> The rear brake rotors are for some other car, and they do not really fit.
19:52 <Ysjoelfir> nice!
19:54 <hsn> not like i know .. but just asking
20:15 * Ampera stumbles into the channel
20:29 <hsn> ampera type
20:33 <rust_collector> I have the rotors spaced out one 1kr coin, that fixed most of the issues
20:39 <Ampera> hsn, type 99
20:41 <hsn> type: /nick Ampera_x86
20:48 <Ampera> no
20:54 Nick: Ampera is now known as Ampera_POWER
20:59 <hsn> type: /nick Ampera_i386
21:04 <Ampera_POWER> no
21:04 <rust_collector> powervr! wheee
21:21 * Ampera_POWER smacks rust_collector with an I(C)BM
21:36 <rust_collector> ooh, flying trash cans
22:04 Nick: Ampera_POWER is now known as Ampera
23:13 <electrohead> https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-sackler-family-money/
23:17 <rust_collector> I wonder if I should get some american extension cords
23:23 <electrohead> holy shit, they are still denying
24:51 <Ampera> I'd love a POWER10 or even POWER9 machine
24:55 * electrohead sends rust_collector un-american cords
24:57 <Ampera> if they weren't completely unreasonable in price
26:10 <electrohead> ooo, that's sexy :D
26:27 <electrohead> power10, rather
27:05 <Ampera> POWER10 isn't even out yet
27:11 <Ampera> POWER9 was neat, but nobody could afford it
27:56 <Ampera> which is sad because it was kinda the one architecture that could sorta kinda perform similarly to some x86 chips in reality
29:40 * electrohead tries to save up for a powerX system
29:56 <electrohead> powerX as in, which ever I can get my hands on, lol
29:56 <Ampera> I could afford one, but it would be a lot of money for not much computer
30:23 <electrohead> yeah I'm seeing it's all high end systems
30:33 <Ampera> not really
30:38 <Ampera> it's all IBM systems in reality
30:52 <Ampera> stuff you'd get on a contract deal from them for a variety of needs
31:32 <Ampera> but nothing is particularly high end for the money, which is probably why nobody really buys them
31:53 <Ampera> especially with Zen 2, x86 is just too good right now
39:48 <electrohead> updates, yay
39:54 <rust_collector> oh crap, the fish van is here. I hope they just disappear. they are even more annoying than the ice cream van
40:22 <electrohead> the fish van? lol
40:29 <rust_collector> yeah
40:34 <rust_collector> it is a thing
40:34 <Ampera> nice
40:42 <Ampera> what sort of fish
40:45 <K> does it have a song?
40:55 <K> dead fish, prolly
40:58 <Ampera> K, no it has a pong
41:12 <rust_collector> well, most kinds. and no no song, just annoying goys cnocking on your door
41:38 <Ampera> rust_collector, you nords have some crazy inventions
42:14 <rust_collector> they have most common fish, fish cakes, whale
42:24 <rust_collector> Ampera, like what?
42:36 <Ampera> rust_collector, fish trucks
42:39 <K> fish-knockers
42:41 <rust_collector> I think you are thinking of japan
43:33 <rust_collector> they only show up every few months. but you can order, and they will come and deliver...say once a week in each area
44:19 <rust_collector> squid things, crab.. prawns
44:26 <Ampera> I wish we had that here
44:26 <rust_collector> other weird things
44:42 <Ampera> they'd have me so far up their fish they wouldn't have time to file a restraining order
44:50 <K> don't you have other, more eddible things to eat?
45:04 * Ampera smackerels K with a holy smackerel
45:08 <rust_collector> no, just fish and ice cream
45:22 <K> eew
45:30 <Ampera> what about fish ice cream
45:40 <K> u fish, i scream
45:40 <rust_collector> I never asked....
45:58 <Ampera> rust_collector, they have a special burlap sack to stick the people who ask that I suppose
46:21 <Ampera> we have normal food trucks here, along with a load of halal trucks, which are nice if you can trust them to be sanitary
46:24 <Ampera> which is occasionally true
46:32 <Ampera> or I should say *used* to have them
46:38 <rust_collector> yeah
46:43 <Ampera> because someone decided that bat soup was absolutely delicious instead, so now we don't
47:00 <rust_collector> grandma used to talk about the butter truck... that was a thing
47:07 <electrohead> heh, a fish truck would be nice here as well, that sounds neat to have around
47:39 <Ampera> excited for the nanocell I'm being sent
47:52 <rust_collector> hmm?
47:55 <Ampera> so I can finally make a phone call on my 1600 dollar phone
48:12 <rust_collector> a sim card thing?
48:16 <Ampera> no
48:19 <K> like your own private mobile tower?
48:22 <Ampera> ^
48:29 <rust_collector> uhm, ok
48:40 <Ampera> because we get fuck all phone reception here
48:46 <rust_collector> oh
49:10 <Ampera> and whatever fucking genius designed the T-Mobile firmwares decided that it was alright if you needed the cell tower to initiate VoWIFI calls
49:38 <Ampera> that could be me just diagnosing the problem wrong, but that's why I also can't use VoWIFI well, because it takes like 2-3 tries to make the damn connection
49:56 <electrohead> o.O
49:59 <electrohead> damn dude
49:59 <rust_collector> our local cell tower is glitchy, and keeps dropping out now and then. they won't fix it before the new railway station is in place...
52:23 <electrohead> you would think after spending that much on a phone, that everything would work flawlessly lol
52:37 <rust_collector> ok, I think they are done knocking on the door
52:47 <Ampera> the phone works fine, but we live in an area of notoriously bad anything reception
52:53 <Ampera> even FM radio has a bad time making it here
52:58 <electrohead> ew
53:04 <Ampera> ew?
53:19 <electrohead> stuck in a valley or the mountains?
53:24 <Ampera> no
53:29 <Ampera> well sort of
53:35 <electrohead> rust_collector: the fish people? lol
53:35 <Ampera> we live on a hill, but sort of half way up it
53:42 <Ampera> to half the area around is just solid rock
53:45 <rust_collector> yes, fish-man
53:47 <Ampera> and the rest is a load of houses next to us
54:34 <rust_collector> so now you will have the local phone company... that is nice
54:43 <Ampera> however, relative to the nearest cell tower, we also live sort of in a bit of a depression, so
54:52 <Ampera> rust_collector, huh?
55:02 <Ampera> there is no local phone company anymore
55:20 <Ampera> there is only coax and fiber on the street
55:41 <rust_collector> put your mini-tower on a flagpole, and there you have your local company. just charge a tax on the neighbors if they want to call
55:47 <electrohead> you have fiber locally?
55:57 <Ampera> yeah the entire city does
56:03 <Ampera> we have no twisted pair on the streets
56:05 <NeroTHz> a single tower does not do shit
56:16 <NeroTHz> you need all the agreements with other providers before it is useful
56:24 <electrohead> wow, I feel like I'm in the stone age, lol
56:31 <electrohead> no fiber around here whatsoever
56:39 <electrohead> and no one has plans to do so, apparently
56:42 <rust_collector> wood fiber?
56:45 <electrohead> well, last I heard, anyway
57:42 <Ampera> We've actually had fiber for around the past 8 years or so
57:51 <electrohead> lucky :p
58:00 <Ampera> used to be 75/75 now it's 940/880
58:10 <electrohead> actually, I'm going to look, maybe something changeed recently
58:13 * electrohead gets his hopes up
58:28 <Ampera> electrohead, I believe Verizon should be the local telco
58:55 <electrohead> yeah they are, but last I checked, no fiber service around here
59:07 <electrohead> err, local here in my city
00:11 <rust_collector> We had a guy from our old isp come, and wanted to upgrade us to fiber...which meant replacing the outlet on the wall... we had a little discussion about that, and he ended up flying out the door. that was interesting. It is not often I get that upset by people
00:32 <Ampera> rust_collector, what did he do
00:55 <Ampera> knowing the state of internet in most places if someone came buy and offered fiber I'd all but suck his cock
01:03 <electrohead> grr, no fios/fiber here
01:13 <electrohead> lmfao
01:20 <Ampera> electrohead, what do you have currently
01:23 <Ampera> presumably Comcast
01:27 <electrohead> yeah, comcast
01:37 <Ampera> does Verizon offer VDSL2 perhaps?
01:40 <Ampera> that still might be useful
01:41 <electrohead> I pay 90 dollars a month for somewhat decent speeds
01:47 <Ampera> it's probably ADSL on some spiderweb lines
02:12 <electrohead> it is, yes
02:17 <rust_collector> well, you do not install fiber by putting a different the outlet on the wall? so it was still old phone line.... so we had a discussion, but he kept insisting... so yes. he did learn to fly that day
02:38 <Ampera> rust_collector, oh so he was trying to flog FttN as FttP?
02:55 <Ampera> yeah if he did that at my house (had I not already had fiber), he would be executed on the spot
02:57 <rust_collector> I have no idea, but it was not what he said it was anyway
03:12 <electrohead> brb, rebooting and all of that fun stuff
03:40 <rust_collector> I still have his punchdown tool thing. I called and told him, but he said I could keep it
03:53 <Ampera> I'm tempted to reboot and try the new Kernel version, but it's probably not a great idea during work hours
05:14 <Ampera> eh, what's life without throwing ISP techs to the wind
05:17 * Ampera updates
05:38 <Ampera> rust_collector, speaking of fish, did you see my fish collection?
05:46 <rust_collector> nope
06:02 <Ampera> rust_collector, https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449968711789445127/747540448440090664/20200824_153841.jpg
06:39 <rust_collector> that should do for at least a week
06:44 <Ampera> haha
06:58 <Ampera> I bought 18, gave 3 to my dad
07:03 <Ampera> so my plan is to eat one every other day
07:10 <Ampera> and buy a case of it every month
07:37 <rust_collector> yeah, make sure you want it before you open a tin, because it is not really great on the second day
07:48 <Ampera> oh I could eat the whole case right now
07:53 <Ampera> all of those cans
07:57 <Ampera> wanting it isn't the problem
08:04 <Ampera> not eating the entire case is the problem
08:35 <rust_collector> Have you had the mackerell in tomato sauce? I almost have to recommend trying that
08:49 <Ampera> from polar or in general?
08:58 <Ampera> I've had herring in tomato sauce, not from polar
09:05 <rust_collector> just in general. I have never had polar anything
09:17 <Ampera> I don't think I've ever had mackerel
09:19 * Ampera is rebooting
09:25 <rust_collector> well, herring is not the same.
11:10 <Ampera> wooo, Windows doesn't crash on Kernel 5.8.3
11:24 <rust_collector> NOOOOO!!!!
11:39 * Ampera whackerels rust_collector with a smoly hackerel
12:44 <rust_collector> this is what I eat: https://www.norwegianfoodstore.com/product/makrell-i-tomat/
12:56 <rust_collector> but it does not cost $30 here
13:06 <Ampera> yeah I hoped that much
13:23 <Ampera> I got that entire case of polar herring for 30 bucks
13:29 <rust_collector> right
14:05 <rust_collector> I should see what they cost in the store. I think it is $2 or maybe $3
14:27 <Ampera> that's still really expensive
14:31 <Ampera> but I suppose norway is in general
14:34 <rust_collector> it is
14:40 <rust_collector> sort of
14:54 <Ampera> those polar herrings came to about 1.60/can and even that's a bit much as Walmart sold them slightly cheaper
14:59 <Ampera> just not in stock, nor in bulk
15:05 <rust_collector> but, I don't really know. just guessing.
15:38 <rust_collector> well, you got herring in brine, that will be cheaper no matter what. but yeah.
16:12 <Ampera> it's smoked herring
16:27 <rust_collector> heh, yes
16:31 <rust_collector> but still
16:47 <Ampera> and also less fish
16:50 <Ampera> as those are 100g cans
16:52 <Ampera> so whatever
16:53 <Ampera> anwerguiaweghoaiwe
17:26 <rust_collector> hmm, ok, I looked it up, and they are 1.85 for a 170 gram box
17:46 <Ampera> yeah that's cheaper than what I paid
18:38 <rust_collector> it is also 6 timezones away. we can work the price up a bit
32:29 <rust_collector> hmm, edge for linux... ok...
32:53 <Ampera> rust_collector, if it's anything like Teams it's there as a token and they don't actually maintain it
33:43 <rust_collector> it is not released yet anyway.
34:46 <rust_collector> I think I will stay with my links2 a bit longer
35:10 <Ampera> haha
37:44 <rust_collector> i used to try loads of browsers, but they seem to be less annoying now, so I just use the one installed
38:09 <rust_collector> uuh, this one has firefox, and it has been ok
39:04 <rust_collector> and uzbl is not in the repos any more. that is annoying, because it had the best non-error messages
39:19 <NeroTHz> I love firefox
39:21 <Ampera> I use chromium
39:22 <NeroTHz> firefox is best fox
39:35 <Ampera> firefox will get my care when it can do hardware accelerated video decode on X
40:23 <Ampera> which should have been something done long long ago for an open source browser like Firefox, but for some reason still isn't a thing
41:45 <NeroTHz> I don´t use linux with a GUI for any day-to-day use so I have never noticed it, nor does it matter to me, but I can see how that is an issue for people who use linux for their every-day compute
42:15 <Ampera> It's not an issue for me either, but otherwise I have no real reason to switch
42:17 <Ampera> as chromium works fine
42:35 <Ampera> it's just that chromium's X implementation of hardware accelerated video decode sucked ass for ages
42:39 <Ampera> I think it's gotten better as of recent
42:56 <Ampera> which, honestly would have been more helpful ages ago when I had a furnace of a Surface Pro 3
43:41 <rust_collector> I do not have an issue with this one, so it is what I use. I think I have chromium installed too, but... firefox is set as default, lol
44:17 <Ampera> Firefox is honestly more interesting on mobile as it has plugin support
44:19 <Ampera> so I can use adblock
44:30 <rust_collector> oh right.
44:43 <Ampera> I should probably install that on my new phone actually
44:52 <NeroTHz> wait other browsers don´t have plugins on mobile?
44:57 <Ampera> Chrome doesn't
45:07 <Ampera> and that's pretty much the only two browsers on mobile really
45:10 <NeroTHz> so no adblock on mobile?
45:15 <NeroTHz> on chrome*
45:21 <Ampera> No, not that I'm aware of
45:28 <NeroTHz> oh wow
45:32 <NeroTHz> how do people tolerate that
46:04 <Ampera> because people usually don't even touch browsers on phones
46:06 <rust_collector> Well, in my case, I just do not browse much on the phone. that works pretty well
46:25 <Ampera> they use all sorts of apps which tend to have less dumb ads, or subscription services to remove said ads
46:36 <NeroTHz> mobile is strange
46:39 <NeroTHz> I don´t get mobile
46:42 <NeroTHz> I don´t like mobile
46:46 <NeroTHz> I´ll stick to desktop
46:59 <Ampera> it's a computer in my pocket and I've gotten it to begrudgingly do things I want it to do
47:13 <Ampera> like do emulators
47:25 <Ampera> It's also a very very nice camera in a very very small form factor
47:51 <rust_collector> I pretty much use the browser in the phone to look up peoples address, and then go to a map, and that is pretty much it
48:26 <Ampera> I've not had my phone long enough (and in enough conditions) to really explore how I'd use it in practice
49:13 <Ampera> however my main uses at the moment are for news, emulation, occasional YouTube as it has an awesome screen, my primary camera, as a cellular modem for other devices, for chatting away from my desktop (IRC/Discord/Teams)
49:33 <Ampera> oh and it's got Samsung Pay so it can now do contactless even on terminals that don't support radiocards
49:36 <rust_collector> Maybe I am just getting old, but even after a couple years in the same area, I come across a "new" road almost every week
49:57 <NeroTHz> I use my phone for whatsapp
50:04 <NeroTHz> I make calls, now and then
50:13 <NeroTHz> might, sometimes, take a picture of whatever I´m doing
50:16 <NeroTHz> that´s about it
51:30 <Ampera> ah, I do use my phone as a phone as well
51:38 <Ampera> I call my grandfather with it every day
52:08 <Ampera> I also in theory use my phone for music, but since I've been at home since march, I've not really had to
52:56 <NeroTHz> oh yeah, I do do that too
53:24 <NeroTHz> though now, from my understanding, it just acts as a token for spotify since I believe my car runs spotify itself, instead of the phone and then streaming it over bluetooth
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