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00:28 <Lemon> im starting to have quite the collection, about the french red cross
00:37 <Lemon> tons of things on the way
00:48 <Lemon> I miss 6 booklets
00:48 <rust_collector> I guess, it is the last 10% that will be hard to get
01:03 <Lemon> well theres one booklet from 1915 that is ultra rare
01:11 <Lemon> cat value at 2.2k euros
01:21 <Lemon> and im sure this one can hit easily 50% of the cat value
01:24 <Ampera> Lemon, oh yeah there's nothing much messy about them
01:28 <Lemon> theres none for sale on the net right now
01:31 <Ampera> their shit is tiny hard pebbles, so it doesn't make a mess or stink
01:37 <Ampera> and she pees straight into her pan
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01:43 <Lemon> yeah and they eat them :>
01:45 <Lemon> thats a plus
01:50 <Ampera> not all of them
01:50 <Lemon> not all but some
02:00 <Ampera> they have special, wetter poos they eat
02:04 <Ampera> to double digest
02:06 <Lemon> yes !
02:17 <Lemon> hard ones are usually the result of eaten ones previously
02:26 <Ampera> I actually use a roasting pan for my bunny's litter tray
02:41 <Lemon> heh :> as long as it works
02:58 <Lemon> my bunny, "pinpin" as we called him, as a rabbit = lapin in france
03:13 <rust_collector> well, I am going back outside, to set up some tables and stuff. have fun
03:20 <Lemon> when I was like 7-8 y/o, visiting family at the north
03:34 <Lemon> when we were going back to our home, one called me and told me to look in the box
03:42 <Lemon> and the rabbit was there, looking at me
03:47 <Lemon> he was so cute !
04:01 <Lemon> grey, with long hair on his ears
04:05 <Lemon> and between them too
04:16 <rust_collector> https://cloud10.todocoleccion.online/coleccionismo-cerveza/tc/2019/07/08/16/170524584.webp
04:22 <Lemon> he had quite a strong personnality lol
04:29 <Lemon> we couldnt lift him
04:42 <Lemon> lapin kulta :>
05:32 <Ampera> Lemon, mine is a dutch bunny we got from the local animal shelter
05:58 <Lemon> haaa they are cute !
07:41 <Lemon> when you collect something, its so hard to not buy everything you see about it
08:03 <Ampera> Lemon, https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/442214996160675840/IMG_20180203_155217.jpg
08:06 <Lemon> a french website sells some very rare/nice "cinderellas" booklets
08:14 <Ampera> tell me about it, I'm already planning on buying a new phone
08:14 <Ampera> :/
08:18 <Lemon> awwww
08:21 <Lemon> really ? xd
08:24 <Lemon> which one ?
08:41 <Ampera> have been thinking about the Note 20 Ultra
08:42 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/442214997200994304/IMG_20180329_213842.jpg
08:54 <Ampera> there she is in her roasting pan :P
10:35 <Lemon> haha thats neat, she looks cute :>
10:48 <Lemon> rust_collector http://philatelie-passion.com/boutique/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=1_130&products_id=5908
12:14 <Ampera> Lemon, https://www.samsung.com/global/galaxy/galaxy-note20/specs/
12:17 <Ampera> the ultra variant
12:21 <Ampera> my excuse is twofold
12:30 <Ampera> my grandfather needs a new phone, and I really want to get him a nice one
12:49 <Lemon> almost 7 inches
12:50 <Ampera> and I need a better credit rating, so I want to finance the phone through DT
12:52 <Lemon> god damn thats so big
12:56 <Ampera> yeah it's the same size as the one I have nowe
13:12 <Lemon> idk what is my iphone se, but I love that form factor
13:15 <Ampera> a tad bigger maybe
13:19 <Ampera> https://www.oneplus.com/8-pro/specs
13:22 <Ampera> this is what I have now
13:31 <Lemon> I remember yeah :> a nice one
13:39 <Lemon> damn 120hz, 500ppi
13:55 <Lemon> those arent phones anymore xd
14:01 <Ampera> 12GB of RAM too
14:07 <Ampera> 512GB of storage, and a uSD card slot
14:14 <Ampera> so ultimately up to 1.5TB of storage by today's cards
14:15 <Lemon> 12 gigs xD
14:29 <Ampera> 8 core CPU, powerful enough to emulate a gamecube
14:29 <Lemon> even on my workstation I barely use that
14:36 <Ampera> my workstation has 64
14:40 <Lemon> yeah me too
14:52 <Ampera> it's waterproof, has a stylus digitizer
14:57 <Lemon> with two e5 2690 v3
15:07 <Lemon> I use it at what, 2% of its capacity ? xd
15:08 <Ampera> the note 20 has three front cameras
15:32 <Ampera> er, rear
15:41 <Ampera> a 108 megapixel main sensor
15:43 <Lemon> honestly
15:47 <Lemon> what ??
15:49 <Lemon> 108 ?
15:52 <Ampera> a 12MP telephoto sensor with 5X optical zoom
15:55 <Lemon> wtffff
16:03 <Ampera> and an ultrawide (sorta fisheye) 12MP sensor
16:13 <Ampera> capable of recording video 8K@24
16:14 <Lemon> man I was a gangster with my 1.3 mp sony, at school
16:16 <Ampera> or 4K@60
16:38 <Ampera> it also has a laser rangefinger thingy for autofocus
16:39 <Lemon> what camera got the iphone 10 ?
16:52 <Lemon> I still have one, that was my fathers
16:56 <Lemon> we dont even use it
16:57 <Ampera> not sure about the X
17:04 <Lemon> I know it made really nice pictures already
17:04 <Ampera> I have an iPhone 11 which has two 12MP sensors
17:12 <Lemon> you have an 11 too ??
17:14 <Lemon> dam !
17:15 <Ampera> I do
17:19 <Ampera> but that's a work phone
17:28 <Ampera> cause I do mobile app QA
17:29 <Lemon> the thing, with those nice tiny devices
17:35 <Lemon> is im too afraid of damaging it
17:35 <Ampera> so it's a nice thing to have a load of different phones
17:38 <Lemon> or getting it stolen
17:59 <Ampera> I'm not too worried about that
19:06 <Ampera> I'd put a case on it, and this has new Gorilla glass 7 which is supposed to take a 2M drop to a hard surface
19:25 <Lemon> yeah it will survive but even a dent makes me so sad
19:34 <Ampera> as said, case
19:42 <Ampera> and in the entire time I've ever had a phone, I've dropped mine once
19:43 <Lemon> still ! x) it happens :P
19:47 <Lemon> thats true too
19:49 <Ampera> which was a few days ago onto a vinyl floor
19:50 <Lemon> I never drop them xd
19:56 <Ampera> er, few weeks
19:59 <Lemon> but well I never had a 1k phone
20:02 <Ampera> but mine had a case, so it's fine
20:08 <Lemon> usually I buy them used at 100-150 max
20:08 <Ampera> this is like a 1.5k phone
20:17 <Lemon> thats crazy when you think about it
20:22 <Ampera> so am I
20:24 <Lemon> 1.5k :>
20:29 <Lemon> but yeah I understand the appeal
20:37 <Lemon> my father was big into smartphones too
20:41 <Ampera> might as well have fun with my money while I have it to spare
20:56 <Lemon> he was in a group that would put some money to buy every flagship, so they could make it turn and test everything
21:04 <Lemon> ho yes you are totally right !
21:22 <Lemon> im not critisizing it, im just a bit amazed at how it evolved
21:34 <Lemon> not a long time ago, 500 euros was a shitton for a phone
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21:50 <Lemon> even the iphone X, which was the last phone my father got
22:00 <Lemon> he sold many things to get it, and got an insane price on it
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22:52 <Ampera> oh this is more expensive than anything apple even makes
22:55 <Ampera> (for phones)
23:14 <Lemon> yeah thats quite a significant amount of money
23:26 <Lemon> I mean for 1.5k you can get quite a nice gaming computer, for example
23:50 <Ampera> I spent 2.6k on mine
23:52 <Lemon> or a 1915 red cross booklet, with some spare money :P
23:54 <Ampera> but it's not very nice for games
24:17 <Lemon> I think im close to 1.5k on my workstation and yeah its not nice for games either
24:23 <Lemon> its alright, but nothing fancy
24:37 <Lemon> theres a 1080, which is fine for the rare occasions when I play
25:28 <Ampera> I have a 1660ti
25:29 <Ampera> which is meh
25:30 <Lemon> but 1.5k for a 1080, 64 gb ddr4, 2x 16c 32t cpus, 1kw corsair psu, a nice case and various nvme ssds, thats neat
25:40 <Ampera> but otherwise a 3950X, 64 GB RAM, 2TB NVMe
25:52 <Ampera> I think my PSU is 850W Seasonic
25:59 <Lemon> quite a beast !
26:02 <Ampera> I'm waiting for the new intel, amd, and nvidia GPUs
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26:09 <Ampera> and, wallet depending, have my eyes on the 3090Ti
26:16 <Lemon> I think this one will stay like this a looooooong time :P
26:40 <Lemon> I prefer to spend on my collection those days
26:47 <Lemon> its some kind of investment, as a bonus
27:44 <Lemon> I want to build the greatest french philatelic red cross collection :>
27:49 <Ampera> As crazy as it sounds I don't spend all my money
27:50 <Lemon> its ambitious, but im sure I can !
27:54 <Ampera> go for it
28:01 <Ampera> I want to buy a house in a year or two
28:07 <Ampera> and am on track to doing just that
28:12 <Lemon> thats a good idea !
28:17 <Lemon> rent is lost money
28:21 <Ampera> ^^^^
28:26 <Ampera> and houses are cheap here
28:32 <Lemon> what is cheap ?
28:35 <Ampera> I'm planning on buying a two family house, probably for around 120k
28:52 <Ampera> then renting out one of the families to my mom so her rent can help cover the mortgage
29:04 <Lemon> how many sqm are that ? we mainly speak in sqm here
29:11 <Ampera> no clue
29:16 <Lemon> 100+ ?
29:18 <Ampera> because I couldn't even tell you it in sq.ft
29:19 <hsn> where is K ?
29:36 <Ampera> but each family would have two bedrooms, a bathroom, a living room, and a kitchen
29:39 <hsn> and Ysjoelfir_ ?
29:39 <Ampera> along with a few closets
29:44 <Lemon> thats cheap then yeah
29:48 <Ampera> then there's an attic, which may or may not be finished, and then a basement
30:28 <hsn> 120k would be a flat right ?
30:32 <Ampera> no
30:35 <Ampera> a house
30:38 <hsn> wow thats cheap
30:39 <Ampera> on a plot
30:46 <Ampera> that's not cheap
30:48 <Ampera> 80k is cheap
30:53 <Lemon> my house (mother's) which got 3 bedrooms, a room where I am right now, big bathroom + toilet room, bigass living room/kitchen and 60 ares of land, was estimated to 90k euros
30:54 <Ampera> which is what the 2 family I live in now costs
31:04 <hsn> here u buy a flat with 185k
31:30 <Lemon> a 40sqm flat in towns at 30-40km of where I live cost 200k+
31:48 <hsn> a house cash would be 318k
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32:34 <hsn> i forgot how much sqm
33:05 <hsn> from mortgage it would be almost double
34:28 <Lemon> I spent 220 euros on things today/yesterday night
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37:43 <Lemon> tons of first day covers, maximum cards, booklets, nice pieces
40:59 <Lemon> I managed to get the second most expensive booklet it really nice condition for 65 euros delivered, its valued 550 euros on catalogue
47:17 <hsn> i also spent so much time playing with cpu registers
47:24 <hsn> and nothing gain ..
47:32 <hsn> no knowledge no results xD
47:46 <Lemon> fun maybe ? :>
48:32 <hsn> only fun when it works .. but it doesnt
48:32 <hsn> xD
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15:09 <hsn> lemon where is Ysjoelfir_
15:19 <hsn> did he went to the vocation thingy?
15:22 <Lemon> in vacation I think ?
15:26 <Lemon> I wanted to ask
15:39 <hsn> i dont see him for 3 days i miss him allready :)
16:10 <hsn> ok cya i go out of this work hole
16:22 <hsn> no overtime no staying
16:23 <hsn> xD
25:31 <Lemon> wouhouuuu just won two full sheets of 50 stamps each !
25:36 <Lemon> for 8 euros a piece
25:41 <Lemon> theres a third one that ends soon
26:12 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/N-1581-Feuille-ENTIERE-50-timbres-Neufs-Tableau-N-MIGNARD-Automne-Croix-Rouge/264810326369?hash=item3da7ece961:g:GHYAAOSwUxxfHv6C heres the third
28:57 <Lemon> theres something so nice about full sheets like this
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38:21 <felixd_pl> Dzień dobry, dobry wieczór :)
38:29 <felixd_pl> Good morning, good evening ;)
38:33 <Lemon> hello !
40:04 <T3sl4> kurwa
40:23 <Lemon> :O
40:49 <felixd_pl> Ohhhh come on...don't connect only "kurwa" with Poland...
41:02 * T3sl4 squeezes Lemon
41:25 <felixd_pl> ;)
41:31 <Lemon> I always wanted to go there :>
43:35 <felixd_pl> Where are you from?:)
43:49 <Lemon> land of baguettes :>
44:00 <T3sl4> land of corona :/
48:19 <felixd_pl> @lemon Paris? :)
48:48 <Lemon> nope, in a 200 inhabitants village ;P in the Jura, near Besancon/Dijon :>
49:01 <felixd_pl> So land of mustard XD
49:02 <felixd_pl> :D
49:07 <Lemon> yeahhh close :P
50:02 <felixd_pl> Pat problem to jump into a plane and fly to PL :D (well...now it might be an issue :D )
50:25 <Lemon> yeah its not a good moment to do that xd but yeah one day I'd love to go there
50:52 <felixd_pl> I have a friend in Paris, I have visited it several times :D beautiful country and city.
51:08 <Lemon> hehe :> im 27 y/o, and never went to Paris, strangely enough !
51:18 <felixd_pl> I have spent vacation in Cote d'Azur (Cavalier sur Mer)
51:34 <felixd_pl> Cavalaire sur mer
51:43 <felixd_pl> 35 here ;)
52:08 <felixd_pl> France is a place where I always have good time ;)
52:29 <felixd_pl> I only have good memories connected with it ;)
52:39 <Lemon> heh you are lucky, I cant say Im always having good time here :P in my village thats quiet, but big towns not so much sadly
53:18 <felixd_pl> normal stuff :) (with big cities) :)
53:32 <felixd_pl> that's why I enjoy countryside :D
54:58 <Lemon> it went downhill here since the last 20 years I'd say
55:20 <Lemon> I always like poland, russia etc, people their like their country
55:23 <Lemon> they are proud of it
55:54 <Lemon> in france, soon frenchies will be the minority :>
56:05 <Lemon> if at least other peeps were acting nice, no problem
56:10 <Lemon> but thats not the case, sadly
56:24 <Lemon> and you cant say anything, or you are racist, ofc :>
57:07 <coppice> I've been to Paris several times, but only to the airports
58:07 <coppice> There are a few cities I can say the same of
00:25 <Lemon> there not their
00:39 <Lemon> I hate this mistake
02:27 <coppice> most European countries have such low birth rates among the white folk they won't be need the place for much longer
12:44 <felixd_pl> @Lemon yeah, true with all immigrant problems. We are aware of that and we know that they are not going to come here to Poland. I am totally not agains any nations but I am against uncontrolled flow of people.
13:01 <felixd_pl> You are always welcome to my home but behave.
13:22 <Lemon> well its not really the problem, people are born here, but in a community that refuses to behave correctly
13:24 <felixd_pl> I have spent 3 months in India, lived with muslim family.
13:36 <Lemon> they use every advantages of france but shit on it
13:53 <felixd_pl> not a problem at all. Now they are in Poland, Warsaw (Warszawa). Going to visit me in few weeks ;)
14:13 <felixd_pl> Lemon, yeah. I am reading about that everyday ;)
14:45 <felixd_pl> It's really hot topic in Poland (immigrants and problems western countries have with them).
16:03 <felixd_pl> We have friend all over the world. Argentina, USA, Bahrain, India, France, UK, Canada, Peru, Russia, my wife is from Ukraine ;)
16:40 <coppice> felixd_pl: European countries have a lot less trouble with immigrants than with the children of immigrants. For some reason most of the trouble comes from that second generation. The people who came to Europe are mostly really glad to be there
17:07 <felixd_pl> people are all the same everywhere. General rule is, if you are leaving your country and going somewhere else accept rules in new place
17:16 <felixd_pl> Coppice, that's true.
20:05 <Lemon> yay won the third sheet of stamps
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37:31 <ThunderSqueak> https://twitter.com/ThunderSqueakAK/status/1291457649335099392?s=20
37:32 <ThunderSqueak> rawr
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25:00 <PsySc0rpi0n> Hello peeps. Is there a way of finding the power rating of a resistor? I mean, not by calculating it. I have removed a couple of resistors out of a damaged appliance transformer and I don't know the rating
29:17 <hsn> by size .. ? by heat?
30:01 <PsySc0rpi0n> I can't mesure heat. You mean with those Flir devices?
30:26 <PsySc0rpi0n> How you check the power by size? Any tumbs up rule?
33:11 <hsn> yeah .. u would know generally know from 1/4w .. 1w to 5w .. not so precise but from its size u can tell
35:52 <hsn> for heat .. if u have resistors u can apply same amount of power to known power resistor and by hand u would know which one gets hotter in short period that would be less power?
39:05 <PsySc0rpi0n> Well, one is a little bit shorter than 1/4 but thicker. Green coloured, 3 stripes and one more for precision
40:03 <PsySc0rpi0n> the other one is more or less the sime length as 1/4 but a little bit thicker (but less than the other one I just described). Also green and also 3 stripes plus one golden for precision
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03:04 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Oliver Trenchard: This is too good. YouTuber walks around Shibuya like it’s a video game. https://t.co/lMRzIk1o7O
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11:09 <rust_collector> morning... I should go to bed
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18:56 <rust_collector> heh
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03:24 <electrohead> o/
35:47 <Halcyon> Mmmm coffee
05:58 <Halcyon> Ampera, you around?
36:18 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
36:23 <Halcyon> YAY!
36:34 <Halcyon> Can I run something past you?
36:50 <Ampera> I wouldn't put it past you.
37:28 <Halcyon> I'm trying to mount an SMB share in fstab, authentication works OK. I can browse all the folders and files, but I can't open any files, I just get access denied.
37:44 <Ampera> what's the client operating system
38:01 <Halcyon> Ubuntu
38:05 <Ampera> :/
38:21 <Ampera> presumably your SMB server is just normal NT authentication
38:33 <Ampera> can I see your fstab line (obfuscated)
39:04 <Ampera> it's possible you've set the permissions for the mount to directory execute only
40:38 <Halcyon> I PM
40:40 <Halcyon> 'd you
55:37 * Halcyon licks Ampera
56:16 * Ampera licks Halcyon 
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50:19 <steve30> hi
52:00 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
53:46 <steve30> I think I'll go out on the bike later today
55:55 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Pet peeve: People who don't know their own address. Either wrong suburb name for the given postcode, or adding the city like Melbourne when they aren't actually from Melbourne. Screws up shipping systems.
57:14 <steve30> are you feeling any better Halcyon?
59:45 <Halcyon> Yeh mostly
59:51 <Halcyon> What are you doing up?
00:05 <steve30> coffeeing
00:57 <Halcyon> Heh fair enough :P
16:23 <steve30> I had another play with ring groups in Asterisk yesterday
17:07 <Halcyon> Oh yeh?
20:38 * steve30 meows at Halcyon 
25:26 <Halcyon> Yes Mister Kittles?
25:52 <steve30> *purr*
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15:38 <Halcyon> \o/
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18:15 <steve30> i should get some food
18:29 <Halcyon> What are you thinking?
18:34 <steve30> pasta
18:41 <Halcyon> For breakfast?
18:48 <steve30> I guess
18:51 <Halcyon> :P
19:02 <Halcyon> I had cold pizza, so I guess?
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14:00 <steve30> Food was nice :)
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34:55 * electrohead waves
35:03 <steve30> o/
35:42 <electrohead> hey steve30
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53:47 * Halcyon nibbles on some salmon
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33:41 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
33:50 <Halcyon> Are you all coffee'd and breakfast'd ?
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41:00 <Watcher> Hello
41:01 <EEVBlog1> Hello there, Watcher!
42:38 <Halcyon> Hey Watcher
42:51 <Watcher> How is it these days?
43:21 <Halcyon> Going alright, how are you?
43:45 <Watcher> you also all right
25:58 <steve30> hi Halcyon
26:01 <steve30> yup
26:09 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
45:15 * steve30 feels rubbish
46:03 <Halcyon> Aw what's wrong Steve?
47:20 <electrohead> o/
47:38 <electrohead> now I'm awake for good
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54:54 * steve30 could use an alcoholic beverage
56:37 * Halcyon offers Steve a glass of wine
56:45 <steve30> :)
57:02 <Halcyon> I guess it's almost lunch time there :P
57:04 <Halcyon> Give it another hour
58:02 <electrohead> shit, it's only going on 0600 here
08:46 <Halcyon> Brrr, it's going to be another cold night
08:51 <Halcyon> It's been getting down to -2 here
09:00 <rust_collector> mornings...
09:11 <Halcyon> Hey rusty :)
09:16 <rust_collector> hey-o
09:47 <rust_collector> I keep forgetting it is winter down there, lol
09:47 <steve30> its forecast to be 29C here this afternoon
09:57 <Halcyon> Oh I miss 29 degrees
10:14 <rust_collector> you can have my 25, if you want that
10:25 <Halcyon> I would LOVE it
10:34 <Halcyon> Give me 35 or even 40
10:43 <rust_collector> weirdo
10:49 <Halcyon> I miss summer :(
11:25 <Halcyon> Fucking Oberon (not far from me) is expected to get up to 40mm of snow in the next few days
11:29 <Halcyon> *brrr*
11:40 <rust_collector> ooooh, 40mm
11:54 <Halcyon> This is 'straya, that's a lot :P
12:15 <Halcyon> Unless you go down to the ski fields, then it's meh
12:27 <rust_collector> I thought you had...yes. places
12:36 <Halcyon> ?
12:41 <rust_collector> with more
12:46 <Halcyon> Yes
13:32 <Halcyon> https://www.perisher.com.au/reports-cams/cams#Xhappy
15:16 <Halcyon> Whilst pretty, I prefer summer, I'm a board shorts and t-shirt kind of guy
16:22 <rust_collector> -2 is still shorts and board weather
16:47 <Halcyon> I draw the line at shirt
17:14 * steve30 has the AC on
17:48 <Halcyon> Me too, mines cranked up to 23C
18:46 <rust_collector> so, I am looking at the map, but I wonder about the height of things. is everything to the west of the blue mountains "up there" or?? does it go back down again?
19:32 <Halcyon> So, I live basically at the height of the Blue Mountains, as you go more west, it drops again and flattens out to nothing
19:50 <rust_collector> ok
20:27 <Halcyon> However the Blue Mountains is part of the Great Dividing Range which basically spans the entire east coast: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Dividing_Range
20:40 <Halcyon> As you go down south, that's where all the skiers go
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23:07 * steve30 collapses on top of Halcyon 
23:20 <Halcyon> Ooof, what a lump
23:21 <Halcyon> :P
24:39 <rust_collector> aaah, so, I called work, and said I was late, and she said I can just stay at home today.
24:43 <rust_collector> whee!
25:51 <Halcyon> :D
25:57 <Halcyon> Awesome
26:00 <Halcyon> No need for pants!
26:54 <rust_collector> no pants day. you are right. this will be good
29:30 <rust_collector> https://en-gb.topographic-map.com/maps/lrdg/New-South-Wales/
29:34 <rust_collector> that is nice
30:16 <Halcyon> Yeh there are some gorgeous views from the lookouts
30:28 <Halcyon> I can see the lights of the Sydney basin from my place
31:14 <Halcyon> Tasmania is even prettier, I would love to move there
31:50 <rust_collector> it does look nice in videos
32:12 <Halcyon> https://parks.tas.gov.au/explore-our-parks/cradle-mountain
32:17 <Halcyon> I've been there a few times
34:00 <steve30> tasmania sounds nice
35:03 <Halcyon> I'd live in the main city, Hobart: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobart
35:06 <Halcyon> It's so gorgeous
39:41 <coppice> Hobart? Isn't that a large food mixer?
39:48 <Halcyon> Is it?
40:46 <rust_collector> no, it is welding machines, for those with too much money, but not enough to get a lincoln
42:49 <coppice> welding machines and food mixers is an interesting product portfolio
43:20 <rust_collector> it is
44:41 <electrohead> I fought the shower monster, and I won \o/
44:55 <electrohead> fucker tried to drown me, but I was able to fight back
44:57 <Halcyon> I won't ask :P
45:13 <electrohead> lol :p
59:51 * steve30 had a pint of cider
02:40 <steve30> i'd have another, but that was the last one
03:09 <rust_collector> and they will never make any more
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52:29 <Halcyon> Steve: Go for a waddle up the road and get some more?
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19:57 <hsn> hello :)
20:23 <rust_collector> nope
21:17 <hsn> no grills for me ?
21:32 <rust_collector> not unless you are a rapper
22:12 <hsn> yao gimme a piece .. or i shrid u to piece ..
22:29 <hsn> nah
22:35 <hsn> im not .. i tried ..
23:20 <hsn> got another network problem !
23:31 <hsn> idk if its windows or router but i believe windows
23:45 <hsn> restarted 20 times .. maybe
23:55 <hsn> some restarts had blue screen !
23:59 <hsn> wtf
34:26 <electrohead> I see what your issue is, already
34:42 * electrohead deletes windows
34:44 <electrohead> there, fixed :D
36:53 <rust_collector> is it one of those things where you have to delete the system32 folder?
37:33 <hsn> no rusty ,, i have x64
37:50 <NeroTHz> Windows <3
38:11 <Ampera1> booo
38:13 <Ampera1> windows is trash
38:17 <Ampera1> and so is NickOP
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38:39 <electrohead> linux for life ~
38:40 <hsn> u like doors Ampera ?
38:41 <electrohead> :p
38:55 <Ampera> hsn, yeah they're alright, I listen to a couple of their songs
39:03 <Ampera> riders on a storm is classic
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39:16 <hsn> heh
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39:26 <hsn> hi there, EEVBLOG!
39:33 <Ampera> electrohead, Linux is dumb, FreeBSD is better
39:57 <electrohead> lol
40:29 <NeroTHz> As always, it depends. I use linux a lot, and I use windows a lot, and I even dable in OSX every now and then. I prefer windows as my daily-driver OS, but linux on servers
41:37 <rust_collector> no one uses minix?
42:08 <hsn> rust_collector, ofc there a lot of people using minix
42:16 <Ampera> Linux is nasty on servers just because of how fragmented it is
42:40 <welterde> guess everyone with modern intel CPU is :-P
42:42 <Ampera> a lot of the software on the popular server distros are ages old, and annoying to deal with
42:45 * hsn fragments Ampera to see what he is made from
43:06 <Ampera> The issue with Windows is it's one of the most restrictive and closed operating systems on the market.
43:30 <Ampera> It's alright if you need tinker toy and get your client stuff working simply, but beyond that, it's a pain in the ass to do anything interesting with it
43:44 <Ampera> it's also an absolute resource hog, and slow as all heck, even on decent hardware
44:19 <Ampera> Whenever I use it I get the impression that it's software that's been kept out far past its prime
44:52 <Ampera> Linux is alright, but it really comes down to the distro, and I don't know of one that's as truly stable and well cared for as FreeBSD
45:34 <Ampera> the complete fragmentation of kernel versions and how dumb it is to use different versions of Linux is perhaps one of the biggest problems for servers and specialized applications
46:14 <rust_collector> something about freebsd annoys me. I am not sure what it is. but I feel the same about arch.
46:28 <Ampera> rust_collector, well those are the two operating systems I regularly use
46:42 <Ampera> I'm using HexChat on arch via HexChat on FreeBSD with a router on pfSense
46:51 <Ampera> er, via ZNC on FreeBSD
46:59 <rust_collector> it is ok, but it only last a week or so, then I am back on something debian, most of the time
47:22 <Ampera> I think I might like Debian if I really worked hard and overcame some of its flaws
47:40 <rust_collector> but I am just a guy with a desktop,
47:45 <Ampera> but what pisses me off about it more than anything is its tendency to fuck with packages to /customize/ them for Debian
47:52 <rust_collector> right
48:22 <Ampera> which means completely change a load of default config options and inclusions, a lot of the time with special Debian branding, different to upstream
49:03 <Ampera> and Debian is so allergic to anything that's not the right kind of FOSS, if a project decides it's not completely up to that, good luck dealing with it
49:09 <rust_collector> I really do not care about branding, but yes, some times the special configs can be annoying
49:27 <Ampera> well shit like twm is completely reconfigured in Debian from how it is everywhere else
49:53 <Ampera> and since twm is supposed to be a reference implementation, makes it annoying when you want it for testing
50:30 <welterde> voidlinux is kind of neat (was started by ex-netbsd dev).. very nice and simple build system for the packages
50:41 <Ampera> welterde, never heard of it
50:54 <rust_collector> void has been around for some time now
51:15 <coppice> the void has always been with us
51:15 <Ampera> While smaller distros are neat in theory, you're either Gentoo where everything is built manually, or just don't have very good binary repos
51:16 <rust_collector> it was neat, but I have not tried it in a loong time
51:21 <Ampera> coppice, we are the void
51:40 <coppice> I guess void fills a gap in the market
51:54 <Ampera> coppice, yeah but I think it's missing something
52:51 <welterde> problem is less about the compile time, but about maintaining all the packages.. so makes no real difference with source distro vs. not
53:30 <Ampera> well the point being it's easy enough to throw a bunch of upstream packages onto a roster and just tell the user to deal with it
53:41 <Ampera> they can figure out how to configure it to get it to work right
53:43 <coppice> Linux From Scratch is there to satisfy a similar itch
54:06 <Ampera> coppice, ultimately the issue is tracking what you've installed and maintaining a clean system
54:15 <Ampera> (for LFS)
54:29 <Ampera> so you'd want /some/ sort of package manager, even if it's really basic like dpkg
54:49 <welterde> and unlike arch the void package manager can do partial updates.. which is quite nice for a rolling release system ;)
54:57 <Ampera> partial updates?
55:14 <Ampera> you mean update some packages not others?
55:19 <Ampera> pacman can do that?
55:28 <Ampera> like I mean it can do that, why couldn't it.
55:43 <welterde> well it can.. but quite likely it will break your system
56:15 <Ampera> well you need to keep track of what you're updating and making sure dependencies maintain version compatibility
56:27 <Ampera> but I can't see how that'd be different elsewhere
56:30 <welterde> since it doesn't track dynamic libraries.. so if you update a library, but not everything that depends on it everything that depends on it will be broken with high probability
56:52 <welterde> and hence partial updates are officially not supported by arch
57:03 <Ampera> I believe I see what you mean
57:09 <Ampera> but I've never once found a need to do that
57:16 <Ampera> not saying the need doesn't exist or is invalid
57:22 <Ampera> but just that I've not noticed that failing
57:42 <welterde> whereas the void package manager tracks the dynamic library versions
58:15 <Ampera> now that I don't get what you mean, because arch library packages have versions just like anything else
58:36 <Ampera> the only thing I'm not sure that it has is the ability to notice that if you update a dependency, the children of that dependency get updated too
58:38 <welterde> but the dependent packages don't depend on the exact version
59:09 <Ampera> well no, packages can have minimum version requirements for dependencies
59:15 <Ampera> I've seen it all the time on the package listings online
59:26 <welterde> I have shot myself in the foot several times with arch when updating old system since updating everything at the same time wasn't possible thanks to conflicts
59:37 <Ampera> as in requires libditto>=1.3.5
00:15 <Ampera> admittedly when I have really dormant systems that need updating I sometimes just wipe it and start fresh, as linux makes that quite easy
00:32 <Ampera> but otherwise I've only come across occasional issues with that
00:45 <welterde> the only way it seems is to use https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Linux_Archive and upate a month at a time or so... which really sucks
00:48 <Ampera> for whatever reason I seem to be the one guy for which arch never really breaks, and when it does it's really basic and simple
01:01 <Ampera> like the interface version for a lib changed, but a symlink will still work
01:57 <Ampera> but honestly, the point of a rolling release is not necessarily to keep older versions, it's to have no versions at all
02:09 <Ampera> it sounds like you want stuff inherent in versioned linux distros from a rolling one
02:50 <welterde> and xbps does the dynamic library checking by keeping track of dynamic library versions itself as well.. so there is no need for the packages themselves to do it correctly (since it's easy to screw up)
03:38 <welterde> Ampera: no.. I just want to update to today after having computer turned off for a half a year or a year..
03:53 <Ampera> yeah I've done that with very few problems
03:55 <Ampera> multiple times
04:06 <welterde> and with arch if I don't update for couple months I _always_ get conflicts that are impossible to sort out without partial updates
04:16 <Ampera> on occasion a bunch of stuff will change and you'll need to read the news to figure out what done fucked up
04:21 <welterde> (which of course break lots of things)
04:24 <Ampera> but it's never taken me more than 10 minutes, 30 at most
04:38 <Ampera> huh?
04:51 <Ampera> I think you're really confused, because you can just update the problematic packages and then update the rest
05:01 <Ampera> if you maintain current versions for everything there shouldn't be a problem
05:39 <welterde> if you have 50+ conflicts?
05:41 <Ampera> names will change, stuff will be moved and removed, you just need to do a quick google to figure out what and how to resolve (as those changes are published and documented), and then afterwards update the rest of the system
05:52 <Ampera> I've never ever had that many, but you just go through them one by one
06:28 <Ampera> and yeah, this is inherent in the design of a rolling release system, if you don't update the machine, conflicts may happen, and if you keep it down long enough things might break
06:40 <welterde> I ended up updating month by month and it kinda worked.. there I only got 1-2 conflicts here and there that were easy to fix
06:42 <Ampera> I have absolutely no clue how any other rolling design philosophy could fix that
06:53 <Ampera> conflicts are incredibly rare for me
07:05 <Ampera> which, other people have said similar things, I've never come across this stuff
07:09 <welterde> but Sept2019 - Jul2020 no chance
07:21 <Ampera> I've done stuff easily longer than that and it's been no problem
07:39 <Ampera> maybe the packages you use just like to play musical chairs, but it genuinely has never happened
08:05 <welterde> yeah.. some I had to uninstall and reinstall at the end..
08:46 <welterde> with debian & void never really had the same issue.. even though I have pretty much the same stuff installed
09:34 <welterde> (but haven't been running void for quite as long as arch.. so maybe just a question of time ;)
09:54 <Ampera> regardless, one of the best things about linux, especially arch, is it's easy to nuke and restart
10:07 <Ampera> just copy your home directory and whatever configs you wanna keep, along with a list of the installed packages
10:15 <Ampera> and then start installing things bit by bit
10:38 <welterde> would perhaps been the quicker way :D
11:10 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
11:34 <Ampera> FreeBSD is nice, it's both versioned and rolling
11:58 <rust_collector> I think I will install slackware on something today, just because
12:01 <Ampera> FreeBSD as a whole is released in versions, with patches between, but you can get modern software on any of the versions
12:10 <Ampera> I should try slackware, maybe I'll like it better than arch
12:17 <Ampera> I'm always looking for ways to do things differently, it's fun
12:19 <welterde> or try void :-P
12:33 <rust_collector> probably not, but yeah, it is worth trying some time
13:09 <welterde> I mean.. if you like the *BSD way.. it's really quite inspired in that direction
13:31 <Ampera> Arch works for me right now, and it has very good support
13:35 <Ampera> which is ultimately what is important in my mind
13:45 <Ampera> I'd prefer to use FreeBSD as a daily driver, if it had better Linux support
14:10 <rust_collector> I would love to use windows, if it was something else
14:46 <Ampera> don't get me wrong, I don't spit at Windows from a distance, I use it every single day for work
14:56 <Ampera> so long as it doesn't piss on the lawn I don't mind it
16:07 <rust_collector> I am almost ok with it, as long as I just need it to start xxxx, and it does that. but I would prefer if it did not do clever things like updating your drivers away
16:10 * welterde luckily hasn't had to use Windows for much at all in well over two decades
16:37 <Ampera> welterde, I went through a period of a couple years using Windows no more than for a few days
16:39 <Ampera> it was beautiful
17:15 <Ampera> my isopropanol should be coming today
17:18 <rust_collector> i use windows for the car diagnostics things. and that is it
17:24 <Ampera> 1900ml of 99%+
18:03 <Ampera> I have a Windows laptop for work, a Windows desktop in case I need it, and a Windows VM for work
18:26 <Ampera> I use the physical machines through a DVI capture card, with barrier, so I can stay in my Linux bubble with Windows just being in a window
18:30 <rust_collector> I do have a w98se vm. i sort of like that
18:57 <Ampera> and the VM through SPICE, which is starting to get on my nerves. Would be nice if I had a Linux copy of VMWare, but I don't think my work would buy me it
19:05 <Ampera> rust_collector, I have 98SE machines
19:19 <Ampera> I believe my Pentium III runs 98SE
19:32 <Ampera> a couple other machines run 95C
19:40 <Ampera> and one runs PC-DOS 2000
19:45 <rust_collector> ok, I am not sure why exactly, but I do like 98
19:54 <Ampera> cause it's really back to a simpler time
20:01 <rust_collector> I guess
20:12 <Ampera> don't get me wrong, at the time I'd easily do that I do now, main Linux or Unix and then keep Windows on the side
20:24 <Ampera> as it was more important back then than it is now, where I can have all my games on Linux
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54:48 <hsn> hey ! wakeup !
55:00 <hsn> stop being busy guys :)
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