// #eevblog — 2020-08-26
1996
1997
1998
1999
2000
2001
2002
2003
2004
2005
2006
2007
2008
2009
2010
2011
2012
2013
2014
2015
2016
00:18:40 <Ampera> hi Ysjoelfir how are you doing
00:18:57 <Ysjoelfir> bored as fuck. how about you?
00:19:04 <Ampera> good
00:19:09 <Ampera> I decided I'm not gonna work today
00:19:19 <Ysjoelfir> nice, can I join?
00:19:23 <Ysjoelfir> oh, damn, I'm at work already
00:20:00 <Ampera> it was a case of wake up, realize I didn't die in my sleep, decided to take a day off and try again the next night
00:20:42 <Ysjoelfir> heh, nice ^^
00:33:27 <Ysjoelfir> I think I'll leave work soon, I'm done for today. :X
00:36:17 <rust_collector> I am watching a guy put a saab engine in a volvo 360... then I am going to work. have a nice evenight
00:36:33 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds interesting. :D
00:37:56 <rust_collector> the saab was a bit weird, as they were built as high rpm engines, but the computer could not run at high speed, so they were sort of halfway crap at all speeds, lol
00:39:15 <coppice> the volvo 360 doesn't need an engine. you just wind up the rubber band
01:21:51 <electrohead> lol
03:20:31 Quit: qeed ([email protected]) EOF from client
03:21:43 Join: qeed ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
03:25:17 <NeroTHz> man BTUs is just one of those units that should die
03:25:44 <NeroTHz> esp since it´s practically 1 kJ, or 1 kWh (in the case of BTU/h which is often still written as BTU)
03:30:37 <Ampera> I love units that confuse and annoy people
04:10:23 <Ysjoelfir> re
04:11:24 <Ysjoelfir> Just wanted to order a burger (as I got a "free burger coupon"!). Got to choose some "premium" extra toppings. I like how they positioned the "hinzufügen" (=add) buttons. https://snipboard.io/SKRf9Z.jpg
04:19:25 Join: Nothing\ ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
04:19:32 <Nothing\> well, looks like no more xchat for me
04:19:40 <Ysjoelfir> xchat is crap anyways
04:19:46 <Nothing\> apparently vanilla xchat isn't a free program and my 30 day trial expire
04:19:47 <Nothing\> d
04:20:04 <Nothing\> i had to get mirc cuz the only link for xchat 2 looked shifty
04:20:12 <Nothing\> i didn't trust the exe i got
04:20:32 <Ysjoelfir> why is everyone reverting to the basics from before 20 years? :D
04:20:34 <Ysjoelfir> try adiirc
04:20:45 <Ysjoelfir> free, works, has support, gets updates
04:20:53 <Nothing\> nah i always liked mirc. it served me well since 1999
04:21:26 <Nothing\> except apparently UI resizing isn't something they implemented
04:21:36 <Nothing\> my ui icons are so fucking tiny
04:21:46 <Ysjoelfir> yep
04:22:09 <Nothing\> i'd hate to think what it'd be likee on 8k with UI scaling
04:22:16 <Nothing\> it was enough of a nightmare on 4k
04:23:01 <Nothing\> having to squint, wear my glasses and sit less than a foot from a 60in screen to be able to make UI elements searching desperately for an option to resize
04:23:42 * Ampera hugs Nothing\
04:23:43 <Ampera> <3
04:23:59 <Ampera> dude why are you using xchat at all
04:24:03 <Ampera> it's stupid out of date and nobody uses it anymore
04:24:11 <DHess_US> Nothing\, did you get xchat? We meant hexchat, https://hexchat.github.io/
04:24:15 <Ampera> https://hexchat.github.io/
04:24:26 <DHess_US> jinx
04:24:39 <Ampera> DHess_US, I only have Sam's Cola is that sufficient?
04:25:04 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera
04:25:11 <Nothing\> man the color settings in mirc are broken
04:25:19 <DHess_US> Ampera, https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=personal%20jinx
04:25:19 <Ampera> mirc isn't free either
04:25:35 <Nothing\> no, but you can use it continuously without paying
04:25:45 <Ampera> DHess_US, that's not the meta, it's being owed a coke
04:25:53 <Ampera> first person to exclaim jink is owned a coke
04:25:55 <Nothing\> you just have to see khaled mardem bhey's face for 10 seconds or so
04:25:59 <Ampera> er, owed
04:26:08 * steve30 recommends Hexchat
04:26:08 <Ampera> Nothing\, who?
04:26:18 <Nothing\> he's the author of mirc
04:26:22 <Ampera> join us, Nothing\ join our happy hexchat family
04:26:30 <Nothing\> hexchat that's it
04:26:33 <Nothing\> will do
04:26:39 Quit: Nothing\ ([email protected]) Connection closed
04:26:41 <Ampera> haha
04:28:17 Join: Nothing\ ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
04:28:21 <Nothing\> done and done
04:28:32 <Nothing\> i was trying to think what that client was called, Ampera
04:28:35 <Ampera> :/
04:28:45 <Nothing\> i wound up trying to get this shifty looking version of xchat 2
04:29:00 <Ampera> I've used HexChat since I've used IRC
04:29:03 <Ampera> I also use WeeChat
04:29:13 <Nothing\> i used mirc most of my irc career
04:29:24 <Nothing\> from 99 to about a few years ago
04:29:29 <Ampera> I used it once when I was on Windows, but when I seriously joined I used HexChat after looking at a few clients
04:29:50 <Nothing\> gotta change font size and color in this though. way too tiny for 4k
04:30:02 <steve30> I always used to like HydraIRC on Windows
04:30:35 <Ampera> Whenever and if ever I finish my TUI editor, I want to give it a plugin system that allows for use of its TUI framework to make things like IRC clients and such
04:30:49 <Ampera> I'd then like to be able to port it to Android so I can use the same plugins there too
04:31:07 <Nothing\> hrm
04:31:11 <Nothing\> need a good font
04:31:23 <Nothing\> consolas 12 bold doesn't look as good as i thought it would
04:31:35 <Nothing\> and fixedsys has just lost its charm
04:31:49 <Nothing\> especially since it only comes in pt9
04:32:28 <Nothing\> consolas would almost be perfect if it wer ea little thicker non-bolded, but bolded it just feels too clumpy
04:32:55 <Ampera> if only you were on Linux, you could use the best of the uglyfonts, unifont
04:33:11 <Nothing\> no comicsans?
04:33:26 <Nothing\> heh i used to use this font called aurebesh
04:33:40 <Nothing\> the font was basically the language from the starwars universe
04:33:40 <Ampera> Nothing\, https://prnt.sc/u5r6tt
04:33:59 <Nothing\> cuz you can replace the letters in the starwars language with english letters and they'd make real words
04:34:02 <Ampera> that's unifont
04:34:20 <Nothing\> same with the sheikah from LoZ Breath of Wild
04:34:40 <Nothing\> yikes!
04:34:41 <Nothing\> that font
04:34:48 <Nothing\> so vertical
04:38:08 <Nothing\> lol whenever i want my cat to stop doing something i make this noise
04:38:33 <Nothing\> oh bloody youtube
04:39:38 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikW4qaGYrnM
04:39:47 <Nothing\> the sound the gignger kid makes at like 1:14
04:41:02 <Nothing\> man, somebody's gotta sample that and make it into a song
04:41:48 <Nothing\> whatever happened to that shitty genre of music, it was electronic, heavy bass, has that thing where the "bass drops" whatever that is
04:42:04 <Nothing\> something pop
04:42:13 <Nothing\> no
04:42:44 <Nothing\> DUBSTEP
04:43:18 <Nothing\> i remember years ago saying how i'd be glad when the dubstep fad was over and people would be like "dude, it's not a fad"
04:43:30 <Nothing\> meanwhile i can't even remember the last time somebody mentioned it
04:45:51 <Nothing\> think i'll go play hot shots golf 3
04:46:06 <Nothing\> great game, but my skills are shit since i took a year off of it
04:53:32 Quit: NeroTHz ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
05:08:45 <Nothing\> weird
05:09:00 <Nothing\> i just noticed neither of the fans on the cooler for my GPU are spinning
05:09:29 <Nothing\> wonder if it just fires them up when need be
05:09:38 <Nothing\> throttling as a function of usage
05:44:48 * Halcyon yawns
05:45:56 * electrohead pokes Halcyon
05:46:16 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
05:48:31 <Nothing\> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n2_WNJWCT8
06:21:16 Quit: Nothing\ ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
07:45:57 <electrohead> holy wall of text
08:16:21 Topic Is: Official IRC channel of the EEVblog - www.eevblog.tv
08:16:21 Set By: (ChanOP) on: Fri Jan 24 20:18:35 2020
08:21:21 <rust_collector> nothing has all the word
08:23:17 <rust_collector> so, wife was so nice and bought some food I could eat after i got home... so... she got something that needs to be cooked for around 1 hour... nothing like a quick meal
09:21:46 Join: Ysjoelfir_ ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
09:23:41 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
10:28:51 Quit: MrMobodies ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
12:18:58 <Halcyon> YAY!
12:18:58 <electrohead> the pavers ruined by neighbors sidewalk, by spilling tar all over it >.<
12:18:58 <Ampera> call in a bit?
12:18:58 <Halcyon> Ampera, sure, I'll call you from the car?
12:18:58 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449968711789445127/747540448440090664/20200824_153841.jpg
12:18:58 <Ampera> that's fine
12:18:58 <Halcyon> electrohead: You aren't having much luck with your neighbours
12:18:58 <electrohead> my *
12:18:58 <Halcyon> I see your fish arrived Ampera
12:18:58 <Ampera> it did indeed
12:18:58 <electrohead> it's all good at this point, just a bit comical right now watching these dudes clean it up
12:18:58 <electrohead> taking their good old time, and doing a shit job cleaning it up lol
12:18:58 <Halcyon> Typical tradies :P
12:18:58 <electrohead> yup! lmfao
15:59:08 Join: Nero ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
15:59:24 Nick: Nero is now known as NeroTHz
15:59:33 Quit: NeroTHz ([email protected]) Changing hosts
15:59:33 Join: NeroTHz ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
16:18:44 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: World of Engineering: Love the 9.807 m/s² detail 🖤 Another cool animation from @SinaniTauland https://t.co/I0X02Vgsfo
16:51:24 <hsn> https://youtu.be/0jRsltIW8qM
17:24:59 Nick: Ysjoelfir_ is now known as Ysjoelfir
17:24:59 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Changing hosts
17:24:59 Join: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
17:25:09 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o Ysjoelfir
17:25:15 <Ysjoelfir> hello all
17:25:15 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Ysjoelfir!
17:25:26 <Ysjoelfir> Hello there, EEVBlog Bot!
17:25:40 <steve30> hi
17:25:47 <Ysjoelfir> Hello there, steve30 Bot!
17:28:00 <hsn> Hello there, Ysjoelfir Bot!
17:28:05 <hsn> Hello there, steve30 Bot!
17:28:05 <EEVBlog> Hello there, hsn!
17:28:17 <steve30> hello EEVBlog
17:28:17 <Ysjoelfir> :P
17:33:40 <Ysjoelfir> Meanwhile I'm on the phone, calling my car insurance. telephone waiting loop. they tell you fucking every 15 seconds that "All service places are occupied. please wait. we will connect you ASAP!".
17:34:05 <steve30> Is your call important to them?
17:34:15 <Ysjoelfir> that sentence takes 8 seconds to say, so its 8 seconds someone yelling in my ear, 7 seconds annoying music.
17:45:46 <Ysjoelfir> done
17:47:01 <Ysjoelfir> and all that just for telling them that, yes, I still want to... "insure" (?) my motorcycle with them, and yes, its still not registered, and yes, I still don't have a license plate number, since our registering department takes (due to COVID) roughly 8 to 12 weeks to even give you an appointment
17:53:20 <hsn> insure what
17:53:23 <hsn> its a bmw
17:53:32 <hsn> the name is ur insurance
17:53:33 <hsn> <3
17:53:36 <Ysjoelfir> lol :D
17:53:47 * hsn hsn loves bmw
17:53:58 <Ysjoelfir> you have to have an insurance for every vehicle in germany^^
17:54:34 <hsn> in here
17:54:47 <hsn> if ur car get accident by some other car
17:54:53 <hsn> that is insured
17:54:59 <hsn> u go to claim
17:55:01 <hsn> and they fck u
17:55:31 <Ampera> here they fuck you even if you don't crash
17:55:34 <Ampera> they'll just fuck you
18:03:56 <Ysjoelfir> I remember having a Kasko insurance with my old car. dunno if Kasko is a thing outside germany. its basically... we have "Haftpflicht" = you damage someone, they pay*, "Teilkasko" = you damage someone, they pay, you get damaged, they pay sometimes, and "Vollkasko" = they pay for everything.
18:04:23 <Ysjoelfir> its roughly like 80€/120€/300€ per year for that car I had back then
18:04:45 <Ampera> wha
18:04:48 <Ampera> you damage someone they pay?
18:05:05 <Ysjoelfir> yes. thats the reason you have insurances here.
18:05:20 <Ampera> either liability law is fucked in Germany or that insurance company's legal team is headed by an armed militia
18:05:32 <Ampera> I think you don't know what you've said
18:05:40 <Ampera> that would mean I could crash into someone and force them to pay for the damages
18:05:57 <K> hello
18:06:01 <Ysjoelfir> yes. exactly that. well, someone = someones car, but yes.
18:06:08 <Ampera> what
18:06:14 <Ysjoelfir> but notice the * by HAftpflicht
18:06:14 <Ampera> here it's if you crash into someone you pay
18:06:15 <Ysjoelfir> hello K
18:06:41 <Ysjoelfir> if you have haftpflicht its only like... they pay up to some thousands, usually like 100.000€ in damage
18:06:53 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, I think you're using they to talk about the insurance company
18:06:56 <Ampera> which isn't how english works
18:07:01 <Ysjoelfir> and off course only accidents, not deliberate crashing
18:07:11 <Ampera> "you damage someone, they pay" means the person you crashed into has to pay for the damage you caused
18:07:16 <Ysjoelfir> no? what should I use then?
18:07:16 <Ysjoelfir> oh
18:07:17 <Ysjoelfir> no
18:07:21 <Ysjoelfir> I meant the company :D
18:07:36 <Ampera> yeah so that's why I was confused
18:07:39 <Ysjoelfir> xD
18:07:45 <Ysjoelfir> ok, that explains things
18:07:53 <Ampera> as for an insurance company to be so good that they let you crash into whoever you want, and then they make the other guy pay, would be impressive
18:08:06 <Ysjoelfir> :P
18:08:09 <Ysjoelfir> indeed
18:08:42 <Ampera> here if you get an accident and it's not your fault you probably end up paying anyways
18:08:54 <Ampera> because the person who crashed into you defaulted on every loan they ever had and is driving without insurance
18:09:13 <Ampera> and your car probably has more damage than theirs
18:09:55 <Ysjoelfir> well, what I said (or intended to say) is also only the "thats how it SHOULD work"-case here
18:10:31 <Ampera> as for here in reality, we do have various levels of insurance, with the minimum needed to drive being liability insurance
18:10:34 <Ysjoelfir> when I had my accident with the old car where it somehow locked the wheels in full speed on the autobahn and someone crashed into me they paid exactly 26€
18:11:19 <Ysjoelfir> and set me back like 11 years in the fee for that
18:11:30 <Ysjoelfir> (here your fee drops each year without a damage)
18:12:01 <Ampera> anyways I'm gonna go back to bed
18:17:59 <hsn> Ampera, thats 3rd party insurance right
18:18:23 <hsn> third party car insurance protects you against your liability towards third party personal injury and property damage
18:19:51 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, here .. i ment .. if someone crash u .. the repair cost 500$ u may get 300$ from the fcking insurance ..
18:20:16 <hsn> and 1 week no car .. maybe insurance company pay for rent car (1 day) lol
18:20:41 <hsn> they should be whipped by govt law or somthing ... bastards
18:21:21 <hsn> u cant get money from the person who crashed u because he will point u to his insurance (3rd party) which will fck u ..
18:25:51 <hsn> so i know a friend who get really bad accident and get some metals parts in his body as a treatment .. its not good u know .. maybe he will get somthing like 7000$ US at the end .. from the insurance of the guy who crushed him
18:30:19 <hsn> Ampera, nvm i just read the rest of the text ..
18:59:04 <Halcyon> Evening all
19:00:20 <hsn> evening Halcyon
19:00:39 <hsn> how is ur day
19:03:33 <Halcyon> Meh
19:03:49 <Halcyon> Dealing with my idiot supervisor who is an awful micromanager
19:05:07 <hsn> isnt that what u asked to move to ?
19:05:21 <Halcyon> ?
19:05:33 <hsn> u did ask to move to different department ?
19:06:20 <hsn> look, i swear i have short memory .. i know someone here did .. and my mind is linking that to u ?
19:06:42 <Halcyon> Same unit, different area within the unit. That was about 1.5 years ago
19:07:00 <Halcyon> I just moved back into an operational role but I am still working with my current supervisor while I train up junior staff
19:07:16 <hsn> train me
19:07:31 <hsn> i become ur junior
19:07:32 <steve30> hi hsn
19:07:36 <hsn> hi steve30
19:07:46 <steve30> *Halcyon, but hi hsn anyway :)
19:07:50 <Halcyon> Hehe :-) You would need an Australian security clearance and for that, you would need to be a citizen :P
19:07:53 <Halcyon> Hey steve30
19:08:07 <steve30> Halcyon, I found a youtube video I think you'd like
19:08:14 <Halcyon> Oh yeh?
19:08:19 <steve30> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyNYrjYSvlU
19:09:07 <Halcyon> Who is this nutter?
19:09:52 <hsn> so Halcyon .. steve30 autocompleted h to hsn ..
19:10:01 <Halcyon> He says it's a "grey area", it very much isn't. At least it isn't here and I suspect it would be the same these
19:10:03 <Halcyon> *there
19:10:20 <Halcyon> Simply by saying he is not a police officer, doesn't mean he isn't making representations as one.
19:10:23 <Ysjoelfir> re, sorry, was at the companies trash :D
19:10:26 <hsn> Halcyon, in steve30 perspective .. u occupy all the H .. u see how he love u ?
19:10:36 <Ysjoelfir> it was worth it again <3
19:11:39 <Halcyon> :D
19:11:57 <Halcyon> Argh, I can't watch this Steve, this guy is a belter
19:12:43 <hsn> skip to 2:20 ?
19:12:46 <Ysjoelfir> xD sounds like you had lots of fun while I was diving in the trash
19:13:31 <Halcyon> hsn: So instead, I have to watch a bunch of other belters, who think they know more about pandemics than the experts?S
19:14:07 <coppice> because we know how reliable the experts have been over the last few months :)
19:14:35 <hsn> ok Halcyon ,, but u missed what the guy at 4:11 is smelling ?
19:14:38 <coppice> personally I suspect governments might have been listening to the wrong end of the experts
19:14:58 <Halcyon> coppice: In what way?
19:15:10 <Halcyon> (Remembering I don't really keep up to date what you guys are doing there)
19:17:03 <steve30> Halcyon, there's another of his videos where he is dressed as a policeman and actually speaks to a policeman :)
19:17:21 <coppice> Halcyon: its the same in most countries I have looked at. the experts have said things that are far more based on political expediency that expert knowledge
19:17:39 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: This is what happens when you divide by zero on a mechanical calculator. cc @standupmaths https://t.co/NB2p3Zle18
19:18:20 <coppice> Halcyon: e.g. Masks are pointless... oh, wait, we have stocks now?..... masks are really really important
19:19:56 <hsn> well ..
19:20:06 <hsn> experts dont talk fast
19:20:18 <hsn> goverments want experts who talk fast
19:20:32 <Halcyon> The masks aren't completely pointless though
19:20:38 <hsn> experts who talk fast = business ppl
19:21:20 <Halcyon> They do reduce the risk, provided you take other precautions, such as washing hands, and not touching your face. They are completely pointless if you think they will protect you from COVID-19 like some magic shield
19:21:51 <Halcyon> They significantly reduce the transmission risk to others if you are already sick, since you aren't coughing and sneezing everywhere.
19:22:12 <hsn> i think they do good job on reminding ppl about "there is a pendamic and u should be aware"
19:22:33 <Halcyon> Where the problem lies is, just like with the flu or common cold, is you are highly contagious early on, even before symptoms start.
19:23:57 <coppice> Halcyon: that's my point. the experts lied when mask supplies were limited. Now there are plentiful supplies they are legally insisting on the use of masks
19:24:15 <Halcyon> I think realistically, since you can't easily detect the contagious from the uninfected is either, everyone wears a mask, or deal with curfews and severe restrictions on outdoor activities
19:24:39 <Halcyon> Well if they lied and said masks did nothing, then yes, that's bad. That's complete bullshit.
19:24:50 <Halcyon> Consistent information is important.
19:25:31 <Halcyon> But to play devils advocate coppice, they can't legally enforce masks if stocks are difficult to obtain.
19:25:36 <Halcyon> It really isn't an option
19:26:01 <coppice> Halcyon: that's not the point. They claimed them to be pointless
19:26:10 <Halcyon> Yep, sure, and that's crap
19:26:26 <hsn> other eg. coppice
19:26:32 <hsn> just to make ur point strongee
19:26:33 <hsn> r
19:26:53 <coppice> at one point some experts were claiming masks increased your risks
19:27:29 <Ysjoelfir> jep, same here
19:27:29 <Halcyon> Well, they aren't *wrong*
19:27:31 <hsn> the story of the mechnical ventilators?
19:27:36 <Halcyon> It's just people took it the wrong way
19:27:43 <Halcyon> And that's understandable
19:28:14 <Halcyon> Mask alone does actually increase your risk of getting sick
19:28:24 <coppice> the ventillators are largely pointless. the death rate for people on ventillators is horrendous. they might as well be left to die
19:29:33 <hsn> how good is mask for someone who has breathing issues
19:29:40 <hsn> how bad*
19:29:45 <hsn> and good
19:30:13 <Halcyon> A regular P2 or equivalent mask has little to no impact on someone's breathing.
19:30:22 <Halcyon> You just get a little moist under there
19:30:37 <Halcyon> The amount of "breathable air" is the same
19:32:28 <steve30> depends on the type of mask. The sort I use to prevent concrete dust/fibreglass dust makes breathing extremely difficult. A piece of fabric though is fine.
19:32:30 <Halcyon> From the perspective that people don't like having a mask on their face, I get that. They can become uncomfortable and I guess some people have a fear of them (there are fears for everything).
19:32:58 <Halcyon> steve30: Yep, if it's full of dust and isn't doing its job properly, yeh it would be hard.
19:33:23 <Halcyon> Don't forget, they are designed to be single-use and disposable. You don't store and re-use them.
19:34:19 <hsn> hijab women in uk is allowed?
19:34:30 <steve30> yes
19:34:47 <hsn> the one that covers face
19:34:49 <hsn> i mean
19:35:00 <steve30> yes
19:35:06 <Halcyon> I also highly suspect that there are plenty of "counterfeit" masks on the market coming from China, claiming to be P2 or whatever but literally just being some other garbage that either inhibits proper air flow or does nothing to protect the wearer.
19:35:13 <steve30> And it would comply with the current 'face covering' regulations
19:35:17 <coppice> hsn: I thought a hijab was the simple head scarf
19:35:23 <hsn> Laws have been passed in France and Belgium to ban face-covering clothing, popularly described as the "burqa ban", although it does not only apply to the Afghan-model burqa.
19:35:23 <Halcyon> Everyone is trying to cash in on masks
19:35:37 <hsn> coppice, right ..
19:36:02 <steve30> This page explains the coronavirus face covering regs
19:36:03 <steve30> http://stevecoates.net/face-covering/
19:36:23 <coppice> there are women who wear burqas in the UK
19:36:40 <hsn> i guess in france its banned thn
19:36:58 <steve30> I need to update that page actually as the law has changed slightly since I wrote it
19:37:07 <Halcyon> At the end of the day, if you have a legitimate reason for not wearing one, get a note from your doctor to cover you. If you are just being a sook, suck it up and just deal with it.
19:37:12 <hsn> Laws have been passed in France and Belgium to ban face-covering clothing, popularly described as the "burqa ban", although it does not only apply to the Afghan-model burqa.
19:37:16 <hsn> ops
19:37:36 <coppice> hsn: a lot of people in the UK are unhappy with this. its hard to trust someone in a transaction if you can't even see their face
19:37:36 <hsn> steve30, if u mention the date its fine ? :D
19:37:56 <hsn> coppice, yep understandable
19:39:14 <rust_collector> ping pong
19:39:20 <coppice> hsn: its really sad being in countries where many women wear a burqa, and you can see they've made up their face and are eager for men to notice through that slit
19:39:59 <Halcyon> I don't know of anyone who *wants* to deal with all these restrictions, but we do it for the greater good. At the end of the day, for most people, it's a slight temporary change in lifestyle. I think people are just soft these days. Try going back to the days of bubonic plague or even AIDS when it was unknown. It was scary shit.
19:40:13 <hsn> they've made up their face and are eager for men to notice through that slit << didnt understand
19:41:00 <hsn> u mean they wear this but they actually want men to notice them ?
19:41:02 <hsn> :D
19:41:55 <steve30> AIDS patients don't stop the rest of us from going about our normal business
19:41:55 <coppice> hsn: lots of women in burqas try to flirt with every man who passes by, using what little of themselves they are revealing to him. e.g. they exaggerate their eye brows and flutter their eyes so you will notice
19:42:15 <hsn> lol
19:42:21 <hsn> why they fcking wear it then
19:42:42 <coppice> hsn: they don't have a choice
19:42:52 <hsn> ah yeah
19:42:52 <Halcyon> steve30: Not today, but if you look back at the 1970's and 1980's, people knew very little about HIV
19:43:11 <hsn> thats whats happen if u live in "force choice calture" isnt it ?
19:43:46 <NeroTHz> While I don´t wish AIDS/HIV on anyone, today people in the first world with HIV can live almost normal lives, provided they can have stable supply to their medication
19:44:06 <coppice> hsn: those desperate "please notice me" moves are quite depressing to watch
19:44:14 <Halcyon> NeroTHz, absolutely.
19:44:46 <Halcyon> These days, a HIV positive person can have completely unprotected sex with someone with close to zero risk of transmission
19:45:03 <NeroTHz> I didn´t know that was possible actually
19:45:11 <hsn> coppice, Senpai, Please Notice Me! (先輩、私に気付いて下さい！)
19:45:13 <hsn> google ^
19:45:25 <Halcyon> Yep, literally a tablet a day keeps your viral load so low that it's undetectable in blood.
19:45:34 <hsn> where do u see that coppice ..
19:45:39 <NeroTHz> Halcyon, technically though, that would mean that somehow they are protected by something, so it´s not *really* unprotected ;p
19:46:23 <Halcyon> Well it suppresses the virus from replicating. It's not totally eliminated in most cases, but it's low enough that it's extremely hard to pass on.
19:46:35 <coppice> hsn: in places like Malaysia
19:46:44 <NeroTHz> I know, I was just arguing silly semantics ;p but that is great, I did not know they were that good
19:46:45 <hsn> NeroTHz, good morning to u
19:46:59 <Halcyon> Even if someone had a high viral load, transmission is still difficult through unprotected sex alone.
19:47:05 <Halcyon> There needs to be blood to blood contact.
19:47:09 <NeroTHz> I see
19:48:56 <steve30> Halcyon, on the subject of sex, please can you send me a hot australian guy to play with?
19:49:46 <rust_collector> do you have a large insulated box?
19:50:36 <hsn> rust_collector, for the australian guy ?
19:50:50 <rust_collector> yezzz
19:52:16 <Ysjoelfir> hey rusty
19:52:26 <Ysjoelfir> I scored stuff from the companies trash again....
19:52:29 <rust_collector> hi
19:52:31 <rust_collector> ooh
19:52:38 <rust_collector> anythhing fun?
19:52:42 <Ysjoelfir> depends
19:52:59 <Ysjoelfir> yesterday roughly 2000 to 2500 of those: https://www.mouser.de/ProductDetail/Analog-Devices/AD712JRZ?qs=NmRFExCfTkG65y1YsEmbdA==
19:53:11 <Ysjoelfir> today ~2000 of those https://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/analog-devices-inc/AD8032ARZ/AD8032ARZ-ND/643196
19:53:17 <NeroTHz> holymotherofgod
19:53:18 <Ysjoelfir> and 15 of these https://www.digikey.de/product-detail/de/xilinx-inc/XC7Z010-1CLG225C/122-1855-ND/3925788
19:53:24 <NeroTHz> your gonna get rich
19:53:30 <Ysjoelfir> lol
19:53:36 <Ysjoelfir> if I can sell them, maybe
19:53:56 <hsn> fck .. any suggestions for this "wire split" https://snipboard.io/RqZ2WE.jpg
19:54:00 <hsn> K and C ^
19:54:19 <Ysjoelfir> for your looking actions?
19:54:28 <Ysjoelfir> *looming
19:54:43 <hsn> yeah i dont know how to make 2 pins on the connector on 1 wire
19:55:02 <Ysjoelfir> is that a high power line as its named PWR-?
19:55:08 <hsn> with "relaible and acceptable" way in the industry of course i can just twist them togother
19:55:20 <hsn> nah nothing is high power
19:55:23 <Ysjoelfir> or is one of those pins like an auxillary one?
19:55:27 <Ysjoelfir> even better
19:55:28 <Halcyon> steve30: You have to come here :P
19:55:37 <hsn> its just a gnd near the RS485
19:55:43 <hsn> K = gnd
19:55:48 <hsn> of rs485
19:55:53 <hsn> its not isulated
19:55:55 <hsn> isolated
19:56:09 <rust_collector> K should be isolated...
19:56:24 <Halcyon> What's wrong with K? Does he have the Rona?
19:56:33 <rust_collector> who knows?
19:56:41 <hsn> rust_collector, ur refering to which K ?
19:56:42 <hsn> xD
19:56:53 <Ysjoelfir> aaah, ok. then just twist that uninsulated one with a ~10cm piece of insulated wire together and stuff that into K, make a loop and put the other end into C, and secure it either in the connector or just outside of it with a cable tie
19:57:14 <Ysjoelfir> I hope that makes it clear what I mean
19:58:34 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, u refer to somthing like this: https://images.app.goo.gl/PHiMvZMnTWbrrngy7 ?
19:58:51 <Ysjoelfir> nah. wait
19:59:03 Join: Dantali0n ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
19:59:04 <Ysjoelfir> ...
19:59:05 <Ysjoelfir> ........
19:59:10 <hsn> .........................
19:59:14 <Ysjoelfir> if I could find a pen I would write it up for you
19:59:18 <Ysjoelfir> **paint*draw
19:59:18 <rust_collector> loading, please wait
19:59:23 <Ysjoelfir> ...
19:59:24 <Ysjoelfir> *draw
19:59:26 <Ysjoelfir> not paint
19:59:28 <Ysjoelfir> dammit :D
19:59:33 <Halcyon> pbrush.exe
19:59:40 <Halcyon> The Windows 3.x version :P
19:59:40 <hsn> win10 : we are working on it ..
19:59:50 <rust_collector> bzzz bzzzz bzzzz, insert cartridge 3
19:59:57 <Halcyon> hsn: That pisses me off
20:00:12 <hsn> i know Halcyon .. there is no other reason to talk about it :D
20:00:13 <Halcyon> Windows 10 have seriously dumbed down the language for idiots.
20:00:35 <hsn> i like to piss u as joke .. :D
20:01:23 <Halcyon> :P
20:01:29 <Halcyon> You know my dislikes
20:01:59 <hsn> ur supervisor ?
20:02:22 <Halcyon> Look, he isn't a bad guy, he just has his moments. His boss is a complete cunt.
20:02:52 <hsn> can you cough "cunt" near him ?
20:02:55 <Halcyon> When my supervisor is challenged or things get too stressful, he literally says "I don't want to talk about it" and leaves the room.
20:03:19 <hsn> ah i know that type Halcyon .. :D
20:03:33 <hsn> type of creatures
20:03:53 <Halcyon> I make it a point to NEVER be like those people
20:03:57 <hsn> he would be happy to share his success after it get solved by "not him"
20:05:41 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, https://images.app.goo.gl/D84aixKruNxS9a9Q9 ?
20:06:45 <hsn> https://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~eas199/B/howto/LCDwiring/img/crimp_double_ground_setup3.jpg
20:06:55 <Ysjoelfir> yes
20:06:55 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XpT5yijMg7-YqTsaaqzNaXfiS47SF1zW/view?usp=sharing
20:07:02 <Ysjoelfir> I just finished drawing XD
20:07:15 <hsn> ah thats my fear .. would it be acceptable ?
20:07:27 <Ysjoelfir> sure, why not?
20:07:37 <hsn> idk lots of .. wait let me share somthing
20:07:39 <Ysjoelfir> if you don'T exceed the crimp capacity of that contact?
20:07:43 <Ysjoelfir> (brb, toilet)
20:08:32 <hsn> ^ u violate this stuff : https://images.app.goo.gl/mQezcy7UYaNEzDth6
20:08:33 <hsn> ?
20:09:30 <hsn> can we say have a good apitit toilet ... ?
20:09:34 <hsn> xD
20:09:40 <rust_collector> hsn, I am not sure about whatever standards you have to follow, but I really like to not twist wires going into crimp-things like that. I guess it is more like a challenge for me, lol
20:09:47 <hsn> somthing like that for toilets ? u dont have?
20:10:27 <rust_collector> have a good shit, Ysjoelfir
20:11:07 <hsn> im not sure about the "specific standard" also for wiring .. but i assumed it wont be acceptable from what i've seen in TE, molex, etc, crimping guides
20:11:35 <hsn> but then how ppl do short loop in a connector ?
20:12:02 <rust_collector> well, you have strands... would it matter if you had 30 strands from one wire, or 15 and 15 from 2?
20:12:26 <steve30> Halcyon, I could do with a holiday, but I don't feel up to travelling, so it would certainly be more convenient if a cute boy could come to me :)
20:12:52 <hsn> rust_collector, i think some crimping guides tell u not to twist the strands but not sure
20:13:06 <rust_collector> yeah, probably
20:13:22 <Halcyon> steve30: What would you mother say?
20:13:31 <rust_collector> hello?
20:13:33 <steve30> about what?
20:13:39 <Ysjoelfir> I would never twist them
20:13:57 <Ysjoelfir> which is why I draw them more or less adjacent to each other
20:14:22 <Halcyon> Having boys stay over
20:14:44 <Ysjoelfir> I once read that.... hmm... I think it had to do with air pockets that could get trapped if you twist the wires and crimp them, reducing reliability. maybe the allmighty T3sl4 knows more?
20:15:04 <steve30> no idea, but its not unknown that she has people over so she isn't in a position to complain
20:15:10 <hsn> so Ysjoelfir .. the contact will grip "insulated cable part" + "some strands from other cable ?
20:15:11 Quit: Dantali0n ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
20:15:32 Join: Dantali0n ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
20:15:49 <Ysjoelfir> I assume the one conductor is basically the insulation of the cable? like a mesh, covering it?
20:15:50 <hsn> this is the J- dupont type contact
20:16:33 <hsn> ah ok .. if the strands get spreaded i guess
20:16:35 <hsn> yeah
20:16:47 <T3sl4> buh
20:17:14 <T3sl4> wouldn't think that twist matters, you can't get much angle inside a crimp terminal, at least without twisting it pretty tight
20:17:27 <T3sl4> so what, you want to put two wires in one?
20:17:43 <T3sl4> use smaller wire so it has the same total wire size in the crimp, it'll be fine
20:18:11 <T3sl4> the insulation gripping part won't look right because of the shape, two wires instead of one round, but whatever
20:18:15 <coppice> twisting makes the bundle fatter, which can make it harder to get in the hole. A twisted bundle can be easier to get started into the hole. nothing's perfect
20:18:37 <T3sl4> coppice: is that why duck penises are shaped the way they are?
20:19:23 <coppice> T3sl4: no. that's how we get the term screwing
20:19:57 * Halcyon pounces on T3sl4
20:20:11 * T3sl4 bundles Halcyon
20:22:01 <Ysjoelfir> hsn, I drew another one, just for you xD
20:22:31 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XpiNt8oOUuYNu9U2CFmER9Xl_iq58Hwm/view?usp=sharing consider those two versions for the actual crimp
20:22:33 <steve30> i'm going to go to bed soon
20:22:43 <Ysjoelfir> enjoy your nap steve30 :)
20:22:47 <Ysjoelfir> I'll be having lunch!
20:22:54 <steve30> :)
20:22:59 <Halcyon> Steve, it's nearly midday!
20:23:13 <steve30> but I'm tired and depressed
20:23:29 * Halcyon fondles steve30
20:25:05 <steve30> meow
20:25:27 <Halcyon> :P
20:25:58 <T3sl4> better top up the coffee levels
20:28:23 <hsn> cool
20:28:25 <rust_collector> yeeees. coffee
20:28:25 <coppice> steve30: my car has travelled 180 miles this morning, yet its slightly less tired than it was when I woke up
20:28:37 <rust_collector> arrgh
20:29:19 <hsn> so i get industry experts saying to me its not that bad to crimp 2 in one contact .. ( Ysjoelfir and T3sl4 ) .. but .. hmm .. have u ever faced a client/guy that wont approve this ?
20:29:52 <hsn> because if i did this and my boss will not like it and i have to convince him and im not so sure ..
20:30:00 <Ysjoelfir> I didn't yet. and I don't see anything bad with it IF you do it propperly and don't just stuff it in there and hope it fits
20:30:00 <hsn> my boss noticed ^
20:30:38 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, i guess i have to cut few strands .. as the contact for awg20 .. the 2 wires togother = bigger
20:30:48 <hsn> 0.5mm in ur naming ^
20:30:54 <Ysjoelfir> thats small
20:31:12 <Ysjoelfir> then you might want to use the second one in my drawing, with an added cable
20:31:29 <Ysjoelfir> looks morep rofessional than just cutting some strands imho
20:31:53 <Ysjoelfir> lunch time! but i'll stay here today, already got my lunch with me :P
20:32:25 <rust_collector> Use 2 wires from the other end of whatever it is, so it looks more complicated?
20:32:26 <hsn> enjoy
20:33:19 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, im trying to understand the second one .. added cable .. also .. its called shield ?
20:33:28 <hsn> ur drawing ?
20:35:17 <hsn> rust_collector, xD no i cant .. no space
20:35:39 <rust_collector> no space for a half mm wire?
20:35:49 <rust_collector> that is tight
20:36:01 <hsn> the other end has full occupied 35 pin connector i ment
20:36:56 <rust_collector> oh good. then you redesign it for a nice 40 pin connector
20:36:58 <Ysjoelfir> you have your shielding or whatever. solder a small length of small wire to it, so that you get a diameter that fits the crimp contact if you use two of those.
20:37:31 <Ysjoelfir> instead of crimping your small loop cable and the shielding directly together, which is too thick as you said
20:38:03 <hsn> wait a minute i think there is miss understanding ..
20:38:11 <NeroTHz> thats sexist
20:38:16 <NeroTHz> unless there is also a mr understanding
20:38:22 <hsn> lol
20:38:39 <Ysjoelfir> lol
20:38:45 <hsn> sexist to which gender
20:39:07 <rust_collector> and what is gender these days?
20:39:21 <hsn> other
20:39:37 <hsn> dont prefer to say
20:39:40 <coppice> There are only 2 genders - plug and socket
20:39:59 * NeroTHz inserst joke about RP-SMA gender
20:40:19 <hsn> u like inserting hah
20:41:20 <NeroTHz> I mean yeah
20:41:37 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, ... hmmm .. what i 've .. two wires 2.7mm diameter with insulation . 0.5mm stripped ... no shield
20:42:33 <rust_collector> so, that sounds simpler?
20:43:07 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: You'll be able to use your Nissan LEAF as home battery storage, cool: https://t.co/kJE1Fv3mIy What's that, the box will cost $10,000? TEN. THOUSAND. DOLLARS. Nice business opportunity for someone to undercut that crazy price gouge.
20:43:37 <hsn> 0.5mm^2 cross section
20:43:58 <rust_collector> yes, and?
20:44:36 <hsn> and the contact is https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/itt-cannon-llc/T2P20FC1LT/1003-1319-ND/2486862
20:45:03 <hsn> and its .. i think the insulation is little bit big on the contact
20:45:45 <hsn> i didnt actually get the second drawing of Ysjoelfir ..
20:46:18 <rust_collector> well, yes, you have the wrong eith er connector or wire, if you want to put 2 into one.
20:47:13 <Ysjoelfir> I asked before if the ground wire is basically the shielding of your cable :P you said yes^^ so its not, its just another wire. then you might want to solder a .25mm² or whatever to that .5mm and use another .25mm for the loop
20:48:08 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/3ppPDS6BmDmj6Gi68
20:48:56 <hsn> okk
20:49:18 <hsn> so in case that wire is not 0.25mm .. i have to cut half strips ?
20:49:35 <hsn> because i need it to be 0.5mm^2 on the other side
20:49:46 <rust_collector> errmmm
20:50:35 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, when i said yeah i mis interrupted your sentence to totally somthing else
20:50:57 <Ysjoelfir> shame on you^^ and also I think you're overthinking that :D
20:51:12 <rust_collector> if you solder on a 0.25mm² wire on the end, it will be 0.25mm²
20:51:15 <Ysjoelfir> just shove them in there so that it fits nicely and you're good to go :)
20:51:47 <Ysjoelfir> or: solder the two together, add a short strip of .5 to it, and crimp that
20:52:03 <hsn> cool
20:52:12 <hsn> now i need to say this exactly to my boss
20:52:12 <rust_collector> or go 1.43" back from the end of the wire, melt the insulation off with a lighter, and badly solder the extra wire there?
20:52:13 <hsn> xD
20:52:15 <hsn> if he asked
20:52:35 <Ysjoelfir> thats a great idea, rusty!
20:53:38 <rust_collector> or have him order some of those crimp ring things, that are used to splice wires, and make cars electrics develop issues after exactly 6 years
20:54:13 <Ysjoelfir> btw, the tandberg already got to the next station in the process of being fixed. it moved from being covered in a towel in my trunk to be sitting on a big box with an old BMW motorcycle fairing in the lab/hobby room. without a towel.
20:54:26 <Ysjoelfir> yes, those are great for making trouble! :D
20:54:29 <rust_collector> whoa!
20:54:54 <Halcyon> Hahahah https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYVqIjjeZxU
20:56:19 <hsn> Speechless Speech
20:56:25 <rust_collector> hsn, you could use a tiny version of this: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.electrical-contractor.net%2Fforums%2Fubbthreads.php%2Ftopics%2F91168%2Fall%2FExothermic_Welding_or_Irrevers.html&psig=AOvVaw2CBdhfQwIg81eMB60kI5CI&ust=1598525188759000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCICcrMLYuOsCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAT
20:57:55 <hsn> or just twist two wires / solder / and heatshrink ..
20:57:56 <hsn> ?
20:58:04 <rust_collector> yes sure
20:58:14 Nick: hsn is now known as hsn_no_overthinking_anymore
20:58:24 <rust_collector> but that does not look like a special feature
20:58:40 Nick: hsn_no_overthinking_anymore is now known as hsn
20:58:42 <hsn> correct
20:59:51 <rust_collector> now... can you replace all that stuff with an ebay special arduino with the dingdong shield?
21:00:05 <hsn> Halcyon, lol the waving at the end
21:00:09 <Ysjoelfir> haha :D
21:00:41 <Halcyon> hsn: I also love Bad Lip Reading: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oKYK1MPwhM
21:00:45 <hsn> dingdong
21:00:49 <rust_collector> I did like that band
21:01:09 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO0r930Sn_8 I love this interview. I would love to have people like him as teachers in university.
21:01:31 * Ysjoelfir squints at NeroTHz, thinking off our talk yesterday
21:02:06 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, i saw this .. it was nice
21:02:16 <hsn> im going to see it again
21:08:18 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYg6jzotiAc if you want to see the full interview
Search this day's buffer: