// #eevblog — 2019-08-28
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00:07:05 <coppice> I can deal with that. Someone from Wells Fargo, a stage coach, taught me to deal with public objecting to what I do to them
00:10:15 <Ampera> I quite like King Crimson in general, but I wouldn't call myself a prog rock fan.
00:10:27 <Ampera> My tastes lie largely in what I can only describe as classic rock
00:10:48 <rust_collector> so, why do you hate focus?
00:10:56 <Ampera> anything from early Beatles era all the way up to the end of New Wave is where the majority of my tastes lie.
00:11:34 <coppice> I only learned to hate focus when I started needing to wear reading glasses
00:11:38 <Ampera> for these purposes I maintain a list on my website showing all the songs in my primary playlist: http://amperaa.net/cdn/musiclist.txt
00:12:01 <Ampera> there's outliers in there, and songs that I'm not a huge fan of, but haven't had the energy to remove, but that's a good summary of my tastes.
00:12:25 <Ampera> note that the number of songs present doesn't particularly indicate the level of enjoyment for the artist.
00:12:46 <rust_collector> I don't think I have met anyone who really hate queen. There has to be someone out there
00:13:06 <Ampera> My dad's not a huge fan iirc.
00:13:15 <coppice> lots of the British hate the Queen
00:13:23 <Ampera> fucking republican scum
00:14:12 <rust_collector> I like your queen. just because she can probably set my carb better than me
00:14:29 <T3sl4> lots of americans hate the queen too
00:14:33 <T3sl4> but love Queen, for some reason
00:14:56 <coppice> lots of americans love the Queen, because they aren't paying her bills
00:15:38 <Ampera> coppice, <insert CGP Grey video about how that's bullshit here>
00:15:49 <Ampera> she actually pays you
00:19:13 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKPViUoatqw
00:19:15 <coppice> As a foreigner she neither costs nor pays CGP Grey anything
00:25:15 <Ampera> CGP Grey lives and works in the UK, and presumably pays taxes like the rest
00:25:32 <Ampera> unless he's decided to jump the whole-nation Titanic that is Brexit.
00:26:11 <rust_collector> I am really looking forward to the brexit thing. If they ever get around to it
00:27:44 <coppice> I hope it happens on the 31st October, as right now things are so messed up that settling things at any cost has become the most important thing
00:28:09 <coppice> which was clearly the situation they've been engineering for the last 3 years
00:28:26 <rust_collector> that is what I think too. just get done with it
00:31:22 <coppice> it has always been the case that the key issue is not staying or leaving the EU. Its HOW you do it that will count the most in the long term. What has been engineered is doing it as badly as possible for the mass of the UK's population, and really good for a small number of rich and powerful people
00:32:00 <rust_collector> meh, you will get used to it
00:32:13 <coppice> Boris will be out if he doesn't get the UK out of the EU before the end of the year. Not being in the EU on the 1st January is the key goal of the powerful
00:34:32 <Ampera> Honestly the time for people to care about if it's good or bad is long gone, it's happening, I just want to see if it's a massive failure or not.
00:35:10 <rust_collector> I wonder if the island will catch on fire, or just float away
00:40:01 <Ampera> My guess is it will suddenly flip upside down and everyone living in the UK will become mermaids/men
00:40:16 <rust_collector> coooool
00:40:17 <Ampera> on the bright side, free real estate
00:40:44 <rust_collector> well, it is not a lot of space out there
00:41:21 <K> trumps gonna be pissed if his golf courses are under watter
00:41:26 <Ampera> no, when the island flips upside down, you have the bottom you can build ontop of
00:41:46 <Ampera> so you have the sea people of pre-brexit britain, and anyone who can't breathe water can build on the back.
00:42:56 Nick: mattinx_ is now known as mattinx
00:45:03 <coppice> K: his golf courses all seem to be on the coast. persumably its some preparation for this event..... that and a depp belief the seas aren't going to rise
00:48:37 <K> he does not will it, therefore it - does not happen
00:49:19 <K> however i'm a bit peeved when trump is being called "God-Emperror"
00:55:57 <coppice> Isn't that just Ivanka's name for daddy?
01:07:56 <K> blasphemy! burn the heretic!
01:09:03 <rust_collector> sounds like fun
01:23:32 <desu> trump should be allowed a third term i think
02:02:16 <coppice> do you think nature will permit that?
02:03:14 <desu> trump dosn't care about nature
02:08:12 <coppice> nature certainly doesn't care about trump, or anyone else for that matter
02:12:19 <desu> well then i guess there's going to have to be a war
02:13:02 <coppice> humans have been fighting nature since the dawn of argiculture. they'll lose eventually
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02:51:47 <rust_collector> aaah, glorious frozen pizza
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05:17:53 <Guest|94784> Dave, I am dead set against NI locking down test&measurement (my view) with monopolistic practices. The idea that the Rigol DP832 when plugged in does not function as a virtual com port and that I MUST use NI SW 100GB and thousands of dollars in order to send 4 to 32 byte SCPI commands is the veritable nuclear bomb to swap a fly.
05:19:47 <Guest|94784> I short cut their entire mess by using the serial port and a $20 USB to RS232 device. I was able to use C++ in a PC application and to talk to C++ in my Arduino Instrument to make a perfectly viable functional tester without all the sturm and drang that NI asserts is "professional".
05:19:58 <Guest|94784> Let the lightning bolts fly.
05:23:53 <Guest|94784> Dave, we need your voice in the industry of T&M professionals to be against the NI hijacking and obfuscation of reasonable and supportable solutions. The company I work for now has lost NI trained personnel and is at a loss to support their own processes. My adamant declaration is that we rid ourselves of the NI millstone around our necks and retur
05:23:53 <Guest|94784> n to occam's razor. The abstractions of NI teststand and LV are objectionable and monopolistic. They twisted Rigol's arm about a simple "plug-n-play" USB port. Hijacked!
05:24:53 <Guest|94784> I expect the caricatures of maturity and professionality to attack. I will counter attack.
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06:33:30 <Halcyon> Morning all
06:44:06 <steve30> hi Halcyon
06:44:26 <Halcyon> I don't wanna go to work
06:44:29 <Halcyon> *pouts*
06:45:02 <steve30> but if you don't, how will I be kept safe from criminals?
06:45:13 <Halcyon> Heh
06:45:23 <Halcyon> I rarely deal with Interpol jobs
06:45:35 <Halcyon> Anyway, better go. xo
06:45:51 <coppice> Is an interpol job hanging things on a washing line?
07:04:57 * steve30 has a chocolate shortage
10:20:50 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Never could have figured that out myself, thanks Youtube analysis AI. https://t.co/TTlv7qao13
10:24:52 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Code: if (ViewPercentage=negative) and (ViewDuration=positive) then print "People are watching this video longer than usual, but it’s appealing to a smaller audience."
10:39:58 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: These images from the "real" camera on the Indian MOM Mars probe are quite remarkable. https://t.co/mWkcjxvEbX
11:22:08 <DHess_US> Space Crime! https://imgur.com/gallery/ELs0zuc
12:04:35 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: When you do an electronics video on an electronics channel and you lose subscribers, classic! (BTW, the Youtube sub gain/loss number per video algorithm is wonky as buggery, but it's funny anyway) https://t.co/S3HVyogSa3
12:31:46 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Silly attempt to see if people have nothing better to do with their bitcoin than just randomly send it to me for no reason :-> 3FSV8tMkWKd7Se5ZwtNB6V57SAGUQfJjmd https://t.co/y3cmoJx9GP
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13:00:57 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I want one of these blank meters! https://t.co/zcFnKElknV
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14:46:32 <Guest|91484> Hi guys
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16:27:27 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Seems to be a lot of engagement on the Youtube Community tab, I guess that's a thing now? https://t.co/2ALsjlVu0y
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18:37:30 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
18:44:25 <K> hello
19:04:32 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: #DaisyRidley is 170cm tall. How the heck does this Sith Army Knife not cut through the floor at that waist height when flicked open? #StarWarsRiseOfSkywalker https://t.co/wsRRlehX2J
19:40:18 <rust_collector> morning
19:41:55 <steve30> hi
19:42:38 <rust_collector> time to figure out if I want to do something, or go to bed
19:42:49 <Ampera> rust_collector, do something in bed
19:43:02 <steve30> bed sounds like a good idea
19:43:11 <rust_collector> it does.
19:43:44 <rust_collector> Ampera is full of do everything today, I see
19:43:46 <steve30> I'd go back to sleep, but I have to go out in a bit
19:44:34 <rust_collector> I have been up for some time, but I am on a later shift tomorrow, so I can probably get away with a nap now
19:54:49 * T3sl4 figures he wants to do a steve30 hug
19:55:40 <steve30> You should. Steve30 hugs are awesome.
19:55:50 <Ampera> [citation needed]
19:56:10 <T3sl4> Ampera: methinks you're about to do some [original research]
19:56:22 * Ampera hugs T3sl4
19:56:26 <Ampera> your hugs are nicer
19:56:50 <T3sl4> thanks?
19:56:58 <Ampera> you're welcome honey
19:57:05 <T3sl4> mmm, welcome honey
19:57:10 * T3sl4 drizzles some on steve30
19:57:24 <steve30> hmm :/
19:58:28 <K> oh deary me
19:59:20 <rust_collector> that sounds like some asian tradition. people come to visit, and get drizzled with honey
19:59:51 <T3sl4> BEES!
20:21:15 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Quit: <Baljem> steve30: by the way, I had the most bizarre dream the other day that someone came in here and seriously flipped their shit over your quit message and why aren't the ops /doing/ something about it
20:23:05 <rust_collector> so, now we get steve 30000000
20:27:30 <DogWomble> it's over 9000!
20:28:40 <K> what quit message was that, i wonder
20:33:16 <rust_collector> that is the thing that annoy me the most about dreams. details like that are not always included
20:38:50 <K> i think this problem shoult be reported
20:39:05 <rust_collector> yeah, you should
20:39:52 <rust_collector> do you want me to send a link to the report form?
20:40:33 <rust_collector> you would have to log in with your facebook/google/whatever else login name and password
20:57:03 * Ampera pancakes Halcyon
20:57:09 <Halcyon> Mmmm
20:57:12 <Halcyon> With syrup?
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20:58:40 <Ampera> I haven't made them yet
20:58:45 <Ampera> I'm frying the bacon right now.
20:58:46 <Halcyon> Aww
20:58:58 <Halcyon> I'm just finishing dinner, few more minutes in the oven and it's done
21:00:08 <Ampera> Nice, what are you making?
21:01:10 <rust_collector> hope it is not a local traditional dish
21:03:59 <Halcyon> Just mac and cheese with veg
21:04:27 <Halcyon> I just broccoli, leek, mushroom and corn in it
21:07:32 <rust_collector> oh well.
21:10:17 <rust_collector> it could have been worse
21:14:59 <rust_collector> dad had a project, trying to make pizza with spaghetti in it. it was not always great
21:15:52 <Ampera> I did spaghetti with tomato sauce and corned beef hash
21:15:59 <Ampera> though it's actually incredibly good
21:16:39 <Ampera> Pancakes are coming along nicely though
21:17:33 <rust_collector> BLIN!
21:17:48 <rust_collector> pancakes and waffles...
21:18:07 <rust_collector> I like them, but it feels like it takes forever to make them
21:18:20 <rust_collector> and when you are done, you no longer want them
21:20:17 <Ampera> They're real easy to make
21:20:33 <Ampera> I did these from scratch because I was out of the predone mix, but even still it's dead simple
21:31:36 <K> scratchy pancakes
21:44:43 <rust_collector> yeah, simple, but you have to make one... then one..... and one.... aaaaand one
21:45:23 <rust_collector> then you taste the first, so now you are -1, and have to make one
21:46:32 <rust_collector> Hmm, most cooking of normal food is simple.
21:48:36 <rust_collector> coffee too. simple, but hard to live without
22:06:44 <Ampera> pancakes are good, I can report
22:06:56 <Ampera> I have a surplus, though, which is a slight tad of an issue
22:06:57 <rust_collector> good good
22:07:07 <K> the winter is coming!
22:07:49 <rust_collector> no winter with a few pancakes in your underwear
22:21:53 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I get to use the Soup Nazi in a thumbnail! https://t.co/mnQZwt9sla
22:27:41 <K> what
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23:10:20 <Guest|21058> I have I2C problem that I would love everyone's opinion on
23:11:44 <Guest|21058> I have a PCB with a I2C chip that records an hours count in Hex. I figured out the old version but the new one has another trick..
23:13:41 <Guest|21058> The chip is a 24C02CE. one one side of the PCB is the chip and the other side has the exposed contact pins that I will use to reprogram the hex with a buspirate.
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23:15:23 <K> eh?
23:15:39 <Ampera> didn't even ask a question, say a problem, or wait for anyone to do anything
23:15:48 <Ampera> I don't get these randos off kiwi
23:16:13 <Ampera> I've had phone modems that wait longer than that
23:37:27 Join: Sewerfox ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
23:39:12 <Sewerfox> Can I please get some help with a I2C circuit? I have a chip (24C02CE) that records hours on a device. I want to program this chip without removing it from the PCB with a buspirate.
23:39:45 <T3sl4> ah, guest has returned with a new nick?
23:39:51 <Sewerfox> Solving this will save $$ for hospitals all around the world.
23:41:16 <Sewerfox> I have photos of the pcb and the circuit in question.
23:41:38 <K> what exactly is the problem? what did you try that did not work?
23:42:10 <Sewerfox> I've traced out the VCC, Gnd, Clk and the SDA lines but I have a question about one more input pin.
23:43:02 <Sewerfox> With the old version of this pcb I could connect the gnd, vcc, sda and clk and I could access the chips contents
23:43:15 <K> vcc, gnd, sda and scl is all you need
23:43:41 <K> maybe the i2c address is different now?
23:43:57 <Sewerfox> this version seems to have an extra pad on the pcb that needs some sort of input (either a gnd / low or a clk or a high)
23:44:19 <Sewerfox> all I read from the chip is #FF which is a constant high
23:44:24 <Sewerfox> (i think)
23:44:27 <K> hm
23:44:44 <K> what is the EXACT model of ic?
23:44:50 <Sewerfox> is there a way to send a photo or a link to the photo on here?
23:44:59 <Sewerfox> 24C02CE
23:45:00 <K> imgur
23:46:07 <K> well, there is WP pin, but that is relavent only of you want to write to the chip
23:46:43 <K> to my eyey from the spec sheet it looks like your garden variety i2c eeprom ic
23:47:23 <T3sl4> and do you have the right address?
23:48:26 <Sewerfox> normally with the buspirate, once I setup the mode and the baud, I can then do a I2c sniffer and find a chip.
23:48:33 <Sewerfox> not detecting anything.
23:49:18 <Sewerfox> I could remove the chip from the pcb and program it then resolder it but that wont help other ppl with less soldering skills.
23:51:33 <Sewerfox> <blockquote class="imgur-embed-pub" lang="en" data-id="a/kYQkpiY"><a href="//imgur.com/a/kYQkpiY"></a></blockquote><script async src="//s.imgur.com/min/embed.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
23:52:08 <K> uh
23:52:33 <rust_collector> imgur.com/a/kYQkpiY
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23:53:10 <Nothing\> weird, my client wouldn't connect to this server for the life of it initially, it just hung there after saying it was trying to connect until i restarted it, oh well
23:53:36 <Nothing\> guess that sorta weirdness is to be expected with xchat, my menu bar disappeared a few weeks ago and i still dunno how to get it back
23:53:43 <rust_collector> try throwing some peanuts after it
23:53:51 <Nothing\> haha i just threw some peanuts outside
23:53:57 <rust_collector> weirdo
23:54:14 <Nothing\> i'm going through like a kilo of peanuts every 3 days
23:54:40 <rust_collector> try eating that, and see how those tiny animals feel
23:54:54 <Nothing\> lol they'd get pissed off
23:55:19 <Nothing\> as it is, the blue jays let out this haranging screech whenever they want me to put shelled peanuts out for them
23:55:37 <Nothing\> the young ones do anyways, cuz they're too lazy to shell them themselves, although they're fully capable of doing so
23:56:31 <T3sl4> haha
23:57:52 <K> Sewerfox, from what I see the address should be either 0x56 or 0x57
23:58:03 <K> A0 and A1 go to vcc
23:58:39 <K> A2 is somehow controlled from outside
23:58:45 <K> which is wierd
23:58:45 <Sewerfox> yes
23:58:47 <Sewerfox> yes
23:59:07 <Sewerfox> that is what I didn't understand
23:59:35 <Sewerfox> its a sort of copy protection for the data
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