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00:21:09 <K> yes. this is full of chickens.
00:21:11 <K> ah, he left
00:59:52 <rust_collector> CHICKEN!!!!
01:47:49 <steve30> My kitchen seems to be full of weavels again
01:48:41 <steve30> or maybe its spelt weevil
01:50:31 <rust_collector> they might not be very tasty, but... probably healthy for you
01:51:08 <steve30> There's no harm in eating them. I just don't like creepy crawlies in my dinner
01:52:08 <rust_collector> I saw something about curry.... you can not make proper curry without bugs and stuff
01:52:33 <rust_collector> just cook your food
01:53:03 <steve30> I've had plenty of curries with rice weevils.
01:54:26 <DHess_US> Are they greater or lessor weevils?
02:24:17 <coppice> steve30: does spelt have different weevils from other grains?
02:24:45 <rust_collector> yep
02:25:10 <coppice> I've never found weevils in our rice. its usually flours which get them, rather than whole grains
02:25:28 <rust_collector> same here
02:25:58 <steve30> I had a bag of rice with weevils a while back. I had to put it in the oven to kill them.
02:27:05 <steve30> In other news, my mother has decided that its the titanium dioxide in her medication that doesn't agree with her.
02:27:33 <K> on what do they disagree?
02:27:44 <coppice> more anti white rhetoric
02:27:58 <K> harsh.
02:28:11 <rust_collector> oh, I also disagree with your mother.
02:28:41 <steve30> Teva brand Amitriptyline makes her hyperactive. Actavis brand Amitriptyline doesn't.
02:29:03 <steve30> She used to suspect it was the colours that caused it. Now she suspects its the titanium dioxide.
02:34:05 <rust_collector> so... find something else with that in it, and feed he with that
02:48:33 * rust_collector is going to test the vacuum trimmer, that the wife bought on sale
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03:18:29 <coppice> how do you trim a vacuum?
03:18:45 <rust_collector> well, first, you open the box
03:18:57 <rust_collector> then turn the device on
03:18:58 <steve30> Install a trimpot inside
03:19:39 <rust_collector> find it has no charge, so find the charger, and plug that in, then wait
03:19:49 <rust_collector> And that is all I know, so far
03:25:26 * T3sl4 trims steve30's pot
03:25:51 * steve30 drifts
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09:37:49 <Ampera> ZNC services going off, and I was about to say EEVBot too, but for whatever reason that's not running and I didn't even notice
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10:25:28 <Halcyon> Morning guys
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10:48:02 <Halcyon> Ampera :)
10:48:15 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
10:48:17 <Ampera> I just rearranged a load of networking stuff
10:48:21 <Halcyon> Oh yeh?
10:48:40 <Ampera> I eliminated an entire switch from the topography
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10:49:23 <Halcyon> Fair enough :)
10:49:50 <Halcyon> I'm planning a whole vintage computer room. Thinking of building a small Ikea Lack Rack for some basic bits
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10:50:24 <Ampera> eyy, automatic auth still works
10:50:31 <Halcyon> Yeee :)
10:50:34 <Halcyon> BRB
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11:08:19 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: No free speech for public servants in Australia. That's what you get when you only have case law free speech protection instead of a constitutionally protected Bill Of Rights. https://t.co/x5jc80nT0r #auspol #BillOfRights
11:08:34 <Ampera> Halcyon ^
11:09:25 <Ampera> My god that would be on such an order of illegal here it wouldn't even be funny
11:14:23 <Halcyon> Back
11:14:59 <Halcyon> Yep, people who work for Govt. are treated entirely differently to civilans
11:15:27 <Halcyon> At work, even if I as much as "like" a comment which goes against policy, I could be in trouble
11:19:33 <Ampera> That's absolutely horrific.
11:20:09 <Ampera> I'm not even joking when I consider that to be a gross breach of human rights, and one of the exact roots of fascism.
11:20:45 <Halcyon> Yup, but I cant exactly say it's high up on the list of priorities at the moment
11:20:53 <Halcyon> There are bigger things to worry about and get sorted
11:22:15 <Ampera> I consider free speech, true and as unbridled as possible, to be the absolute core of any free society.
11:22:48 <Halcyon> Thankfully, cases like this aren't common
11:22:57 <Halcyon> They just blow it out of proportion
11:23:04 <coppice> Ampera: while I agree, try saying anything your boss doesn't like in any kind of employment, and see how long that employment continues
11:23:25 <Ampera> This was on a personal social media account, coppice.
11:23:32 <Halcyon> The reason why it's made the news is because it got to the High Court of Australia
11:23:43 <Halcyon> In Australia, you can't just sack someone like you can in America
11:23:48 <Ampera> She said something against their immigration policy as a personal political opinion.
11:23:51 <Ampera> What do you mean by that?
11:23:55 <Ampera> You can't just sack someone here either.
11:24:00 <coppice> yep. try pissing off your employer on a personal social media account, and see what the result is
11:24:36 <Ampera> My employer doesn't know my personal social media account, and if I had a personal social media account and was *state* employed, I could not be fired for what I put on there so long as it remains personal and separate from my work.
11:24:45 <Halcyon> Her personal account was linked to the Dept of Immigration and Border Protection.
11:25:29 <coppice> Ampera: if you are employed by the government anything political you post is relevant to your employment.
11:25:36 <Ampera> I think you can't do a whole lot if your employer find something you're saying online and fires you, and I'm not sure I'd want to make it an issue
11:25:56 <Ampera> The government is supposed to have people who disagree with itself, that's how government works.
11:26:05 <Halcyon> She also agreed to certain conditions of her employment when she joined the organisation
11:26:09 <Halcyon> She breached those rules
11:26:26 <coppice> in america there is very little employment protection. people get laid off at a moment's notice all the time
11:26:52 <Ampera> There are some limitations.
11:27:30 <coppice> yeah, a few. A lot of people get laid off at 39, because on their 40th birthday they acquire come legela protection
11:27:44 <Halcyon> Basically, you as a representative of a Government organisation, cannot go on social media and comment on policies without authorisation
11:27:55 <Halcyon> That's fairly common and I don't think unfair
11:27:57 <Ampera> I believe that should be completely illegal.
11:28:07 <Halcyon> Especially if she has no authority to make such commenst
11:28:25 <Ampera> Afaik her comments were opinionative not factual.
11:28:57 <Halcyon> If doesn't matter. She was an employee of that organisation, it can be viewed as if you were representing them
11:29:00 <Ampera> If she misrepresented the government's policies knowingly, then I could see that, but from what I can tell it was a personal opinion.
11:29:00 <Halcyon> That's the issue
11:29:18 <Ampera> If it was a private organization, that's fine, but government should never do that.
11:30:06 <Halcyon> Why is it OK for a private organisation, but not govt?
11:30:08 <Ampera> The thing about government is that it has to politically apolitical. The government relies on having opposing views working together to solve problems.
11:30:18 <Halcyon> Correct
11:30:24 <Halcyon> Her comments were not "apolitical"
11:30:27 <Ampera> With a private organization, they do not represent a stake in that problem solving process.
11:30:33 <Halcyon> She was taking a stance
11:30:44 <Ampera> By politically apolitical I mean they have to view *all* political views with equal respect.
11:31:00 <Halcyon> Which she did not
11:31:20 <Ampera> She was not operating on behalf of the organization, it was a personal account.
11:31:43 <Halcyon> It doesn't matter. If a connection can be made between her and her twitter account and her employment, it's no longer personal
11:32:12 <Ampera> I would consider it a requirement for her to have been politically biased in an act of bureaucracy, as in not fulfilling her duties due to her own political views interfering.
11:32:13 <Halcyon> Nevertheless, she knew the rules, and deliberately ignored them
11:32:29 <Ampera> I don't care if she knew and ignored them or not, the point here is that the rules are shit.
11:32:30 <Halcyon> If you're told not to do something and you do it, then expect ramifications
11:32:44 <Ampera> Fine, she broke the rules, I'm saying those rules are awful.
11:32:50 <Ampera> I'm not arguing her legal status.
11:33:05 <Halcyon> There rules are there the protect organisations from people saying shit they either have no authority to say, don't have a clear understanding of or are just plain wrong.
11:33:21 <Ampera> As for a connection I think that's bullshit too. A personal account could be considered linked if it so much as has your name on it.
11:33:51 <Ampera> I think that is protecting people from operating a free and equal government.
11:34:05 <Halcyon> In this case, she didn't use here name
11:34:11 <Halcyon> There must have been something else linking her to the dept.
11:34:30 <Halcyon> When you consider she made *thousands* of posts
11:34:37 <Ampera> A personal account, even if you on your personal account say you work for the government, unless you are directly stating that the comment you make is on behalf of your governmental organization, to which you have no authority to claim, then no personal opinions of any sort should ever be banished.
11:34:48 <Halcyon> That's not how it works
11:34:57 <Ampera> I never said it is. I'm saying that's how it should work.
11:35:02 <Halcyon> There is no "This is a personal comment" disclaimer if there is a link to your job
11:35:12 <Ampera> There shouldn't have to be.
11:35:41 <Ampera> If you say you work at <government organization> in your bio, but them make personal comment without claiming to be representing them in those matters, then those comments should be legal and not impacting on your government job.
11:35:55 <Halcyon> This whole thing stinks of her trying to get money which she probably doesn't deserve
11:36:03 <Halcyon> Straight after she was dismissed, she claimed PTSD
11:36:09 <Ampera> Not to mention, you are breaking your rule right now, by having a political discussion with me.
11:36:15 <Halcyon> No I'm not
11:36:19 <Ampera> You are being political right now.
11:36:21 <Ampera> This is politics.
11:36:25 <Halcyon> I'm not talking about my organisations policies
11:36:28 <Ampera> You are taking a stance, publicly.
11:36:35 <Halcyon> There is nothing in the law or rules that says I can't
11:36:45 <Halcyon> I'm not breaching any of my organisations policies
11:36:48 <Ampera> You have, about knife and gun laws, and made a stance.
11:36:56 <Halcyon> No, I told you what he law was
11:37:00 <Halcyon> Public knowledge
11:37:09 <Ampera> So you're saying the police are allowed to be political, but wherever she worked for are not?
11:37:35 <Halcyon> You ARE allowed to be political, in fact, Police run for positions in political parties all the time
11:37:37 <Ampera> Again, I don't care about her, I find the rule stupid.
11:37:47 <Halcyon> But she was dismissed because she breached the social media policy
11:38:07 <Ampera> Which I believe should not be legal unless you directly claim to represent your government organization.
11:38:26 <Halcyon> Well she must have either directly or indirectly done that
11:38:32 <Halcyon> I haven't read her thousands of tweets
11:38:48 <Ampera> "Basically, you as a representative of a Government organisation, cannot go on social media and comment on policies without authorisation"
11:39:06 <Ampera> Was she claiming to represent her governmental organization?
11:39:14 <Ampera> If she didn't even have her name on the account how does that make any sense?
11:39:24 <Halcyon> I'm guessing so yes, which is why the High Court upheld her dismissal
11:40:01 <Ampera> So if the event was, she told someone that she, as an employee of this governmental organization, is making an official claim or stance on a policy to a public audience, then I can understand the ruling.
11:40:14 <Ampera> If it was anything else, then I believe it's a gross breech of freedoms.
11:40:25 <Halcyon> Well it seems the former is what happened
11:41:31 <Halcyon> She basically turned her sacking due to breach of rules into a PTSD/Free Speech shit show and dragged it through to the High Court
11:42:07 <Halcyon> This goes back to 2013
11:43:11 <Ampera> In other news, Jessica Yaniv got raided by Mounties!
11:43:26 <Halcyon> No idea who the hell that is
11:43:51 <Ampera> She is a "trans" faggot who is a massive pedophile and is currently bringing 16-17 beauticians to human rights court for refusing to wax her balls.
11:44:13 <Ampera> She is the most fucking mental person I can think that's still let to roam the streets.
11:44:25 <Halcyon> How the hell can courts allow this kind of shit?
11:44:31 <Halcyon> That should be thrown out
11:44:45 <Ampera> because canada
11:44:50 <Halcyon> Riiight
11:44:53 <coppice> Halcyon: the Canadian Human Rights Court basically encourages this crap
11:45:11 <Ampera> but that might not stand much more as she, live on stream, flashed a hand tazer
11:45:12 <Halcyon> Wow, she even *looks* like a mental case
11:45:17 <Ampera> which, stupidly, are illegal in snow mexico
11:45:41 <coppice> Ampera: I hope the women get really pissed about their legal bills
11:46:34 <Ampera> She has two standing sexual assault on minor accusations, and has petitioned the government to let her host a 12 and up no-parents topless swim party
11:46:58 <Ampera> I believe her job is sex toy reviewer, despite not having a vagina
11:47:11 <Halcyon> Riiiiight
11:47:25 <Ampera> I cannot overstate how much I do not like this person.
11:47:49 <Ampera> She is basically one littering incident from me thinking she deserves to hang.
11:48:07 <Halcyon> ROFL
11:48:07 <coppice> there will always be arseholes, but when the legal system encourages them you really have problems
11:48:14 <Ampera> but maybe throwing her into a men's prison for life would be a better sentence.
11:48:39 <Ampera> The US isn't perfect, but I maintain we are the freest nation on earth.
11:48:50 <coppice> not littering. It littering and disturbing the peace
11:49:00 <Ampera> We have the most protections for people's right to express, believe, and practice, and we try our hardest to keep it that way.
11:49:08 <Halcyon> Bah I should lodge my tax return today
11:49:57 <coppice> Ampera: I mostly keep my mouth shut when I'm in the US. I find it quite an oppessive place
11:50:21 <Ampera> There are some places where vigilantes will try to do shit, but that's not most places.
11:50:44 <Ampera> However that's not synonymous with legal protections.
11:50:55 <Ampera> When I say freest, I mean in terms of government, not in terms of how people react.
11:51:31 <Ampera> though I would argue we have a lot of diversity in that respect too, with some really politically diverse places, like Texas and New York.
11:51:37 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: NEW EEVblog Video! EEVblog #1235 - Alternate Trigger Trickery On DSO's https://t.co/2dBFO5ksbs
11:56:14 <Ampera> Halcyon, notice a problem? http://prntscr.com/opbv73
11:57:53 <Halcyon> You have almost a petabyte of storage?
11:57:57 <Ampera> lol
11:58:26 <Ampera> sshfs tends to do weird stuff with drive size reporting, but I've never seen it do this.
11:58:50 <Ampera> Jessica Yaniv has been arrested.
11:59:27 <Halcyon> Oh good
11:59:29 <Halcyon> What for?
12:00:54 <coppice> Ampera: this arrest is unrelated to the human rights complaints. the numerous women still have to fight their case, because according to the letter of the stupid Canadian laws Yaniv appears to be in the right
12:01:40 <Ampera> coppice, I know it is, I'm just saying good
12:01:49 <Ampera> This is related to her brandishing a tazer on Blaire White's stream
12:01:59 <Ampera> and she will go down in history as the fucking legend that took down Jessica Yaniv.
12:04:08 <Ampera> Rumor is she's posted bond.
13:42:23 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I'm going to go out on a limb here and say not many people want oscilloscope tutorial videos https://t.co/kxqu7mEnxZ
14:11:37 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Brilliant video from @curiousdroid about the Apollo LVDC https://t.co/ZuMJatzmrW
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15:21:05 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: You're not going to believe it! ANOTHER solar roadways video coming! And SPOILER ALERT: It's gone full Brusaw! (you never go full Brusaw)
15:23:35 <steve30> hi
15:23:53 <T3sl4> hey
15:35:36 * steve30 hugs T3sl4
15:36:12 <T3sl4> *hugs*
15:36:19 <T3sl4> anything planned today?
15:40:22 <steve30> I just need to go to the building society. I was going to go to the gym but I think I'll leave that for another day.
15:44:04 <T3sl4> do they build society at the building society?
16:02:54 <DHess_US> Planned for today? Same as any other day, enslave the world.
16:14:21 * steve30 watches John Ward chineseuming
16:15:51 <T3sl4> DHess_US: NARF
16:40:23 <steve30> hmm, apparently I have a wikipedia account
16:40:46 <steve30> I just got an email saying that someone requested a password reset.
16:40:58 <steve30> Digging back through emails shows that I registered an account in 2006
16:41:04 <T3sl4> are the links actually to wikipedia.org?
16:41:35 <steve30> yup
16:41:53 <T3sl4> heh
16:49:30 <Halcyon> Right, tax return done
16:54:43 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: EEVblog #1230 – How The Apollo 11 Moon Walk Video Happened https://t.co/FlrYzirJWX
16:56:19 <Halcyon> Back shortly, migrating the router over to another machine...
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17:02:46 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: EEVblog #1232 – Add Web Access To Old Instruments! https://t.co/8zgLAvnDPk
17:08:48 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: EEVblog #1234 – MORE Epic Solar Roadways FAIL! https://t.co/gGcfqs4Pxd
17:23:01 <steve30> ooh, solar roadways
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17:40:01 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: EEVblog #1235 – DSO Alternate Trigger Trickery https://t.co/1WR34oFrXA
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17:50:36 <steve30> wb
17:50:38 <Halcyon> Ta :)
17:51:47 * steve30 curls up on Halcyon's lap
17:51:53 <Halcyon> Nawww
17:55:21 <T3sl4> Tantalum
17:55:26 <T3sl4> Sodium Tungsten Tungsten Tungsten
17:55:36 * Halcyon hands T3sl4 a tissue
17:55:57 <T3sl4> antinerd
17:56:31 <T3sl4> also, https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2011-08-26
18:18:16 <steve30> there's some men from the water board working outside my garden gate :/
18:18:37 <Halcyon> Are they cute?
18:18:47 <steve30> nope
18:19:40 <T3sl4> are they looking to water board you?
18:20:09 <steve30> I hope not
18:24:13 <Halcyon> Bahaha
18:24:14 <Halcyon> https://xkcd.com/2176/
18:24:24 <Halcyon> This pretty much explains what I do most days
18:27:30 <Halcyon> https://www.realestate.com.au/news/undergrou
18:27:36 <Halcyon> Sorry... https://www.realestate.com.au/news/underground-aussie-house-live-out-your-middle-earth-fantasies-for-under-45k/?rsf=syn:news:nca:news:spa:strap1
18:33:01 <steve30> cool
18:34:28 <steve30> I need to go out. Back later.
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19:17:20 <K> hello
19:20:06 <T3sl4> hey
19:37:08 <Halcyon> T3sl4, CAH?
19:37:30 <T3sl4> nah, maybe some other time
19:37:38 <Halcyon> Pewp
20:03:59 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: More epic solar roadways failure in Germany. You never go full Brusaw! cc @thunderf00t https://t.co/Y8y4HFnYYk
20:07:46 <K> isnt this a bit too much of Schadenfreude, eh?
20:54:19 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Technically interesting side channel attack on the seed word setup of OLED equipped hardware wallets. But of no real concern in practice. https://t.co/mafrTfacMg
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21:16:56 * steve30 back
21:45:47 <Halcyon> YAY! Steve!
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22:10:04 <steve30> yay a Halcyon
22:15:54 * steve30 needs a coffee
22:28:41 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
22:30:50 <steve30> so, Halcyon, I've got a guy from a fetish site who wants to meet for coffee tomorrow.
22:59:10 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RT @_youhadonejob1: This restaurant in Australia 🇦🇺 https://t.co/HE8Fz5P5hJ
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