// #eevblog — 2019-08-06
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00:52:47 <Ampera> Halcyon, not at 6 in the morning :P
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06:01:23 * Halcyon hugs Ampera
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06:49:39 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
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09:40:05 <DHess_US> https://i.redd.it/nv9szccl7pe31.jpg
09:41:44 <Ampera> DHess_US, I often wonder if those are real.
09:41:50 <Ampera> definitely a boomer meme
09:43:21 <DHess_US> I've been using those charging ports wrong the whole time.
09:44:06 <Ampera> That does remind me I need to fix my car's cassette player.
10:06:49 <coppice> a car's cassette player? have I slipped through a time warp?
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11:59:05 <hijackeel> hello! I need a multimeter and I'm wondering if I should go for the 121GW or the BM235.
13:14:07 <Ampera> hijackeel, what would you need one for?
13:14:48 <Ampera> iirc, both are rather expensive (but quite nice) multimeters. If it's just for occasional usage with minor things, Dave's pocket multimeter might be the best option (it's separate from the BM235 and 121GW)
13:15:29 <Ampera> I'm not too familiar with the BM235, but what I do know about the 121GW is it has a load of neat data logging features, computer access, a whole world of interesting things that are probably very useful to people who would use it quite often and varied.
13:15:56 <Ampera> The BM235 is presumably an inbetween of the pocket meter and the 121GW in terms of features, or at least price.
13:28:35 <hijackeel> Ampera - I do electronics stuff only occasionally. In the past I've used $30 meters that always die, so I want to get a sorta nice mid-range one. Also would like it to be safe with mains voltage. Latest project is a 1300C electric kiln/foundry/forge, and an adapter to convert two 120v outlets to one 240v, to hopefully help it heat up faster. Hoping I can find two 120v sockets out of phase
13:28:37 <hijackeel> with each other in the laundry room so the landlord pays for the electricity!
13:29:21 <Ampera> Cheap meters can usually do mains voltage, depending on how you measure it
13:29:39 <Ampera> if you stick the probes in voltage mode directly into the socket, then yes that will cause a big boom
13:30:21 <Ampera> I guess it, like anything else, is down to how much you want to spend.
13:30:27 <Ampera> Paying more gets you more, paying less gets you less.
13:30:41 <hijackeel> I'm looking in the $100 - $200 range.
13:31:34 <hijackeel> I don't need data logging, but now that I know it exists, it would be kinda cool to be able to log the thermocouple and make some graphs of the kiln's performance.
13:32:05 <hijackeel> I see other cheaper ones on Amazon though, also with bluetooth data logging. It's not clear to me what the 121GW offers over them.
13:32:20 <hijackeel> e.g. https://www.amazon.com/General-Tools-TS04-Multimeter-Auto-Ranging/dp/B01FHQ3V8O/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=bluetooth+multimeter&qid=1565059922&s=gateway&sr=8-3
13:32:32 <hijackeel> or https://www.amazon.com/OWON-Multimeter-Measurement-Bluetooth-Recording/dp/B01C3IQDE8/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=bluetooth+multimeter&qid=1565059922&s=gateway&sr=8-4
13:33:02 <Ampera> Might want to ask on the forums for suggestions.
13:33:18 <hijackeel> wait, first one might not have that feature.
13:34:12 <hijackeel> Ampera: how would you safely measure mains voltage with a cheap meter?
13:34:44 <Ampera> You'd usually want to measure it while it's already under load.
13:35:20 <Ampera> My (very) cheap meter says it goes up to 600V, but with current draw and etc, sticking it right on mains with no load on it is a recipe for dead fuse, dead meter, or dead me
14:03:02 <hijackeel> hm found a teardown video of one of the cheapo meters I linked to: https://youtu.be/3yylv0_o1tg?t=1251
14:03:17 <hijackeel> not very good fuses inside. probably not really cat iii
14:03:31 <hijackeel> I guess you get what you pay for?
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14:56:36 * steve30 pokes Halcyon
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16:10:32 <DHess_US> And ... I broke the forum.
16:10:39 <DHess_US> Again.
16:11:08 <Ampera> DHess_US: Nice going, asshole.
16:11:24 <T3sl4> its back
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17:54:53 * DogWomble peers in
17:57:46 <steve30> hi
17:57:55 <DogWomble> hi steve :)
19:28:19 <K> hello
19:40:46 <T3sl4> hey hey
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21:25:57 <Halcyon> New
21:26:01 <Halcyon> I mean MEW
21:26:26 <steve30> hi Halcyon
21:26:30 <Halcyon> Hey Steve!
21:29:00 <steve30> Halcyon, why do I get so much 'interest' from old guys?
21:30:34 <Halcyon> Because you're young and hung
21:31:59 <steve30> ah
21:36:46 <steve30> I got another guy on a fetish site who seem 'interested'
21:41:27 <steve30> I think I'll go and have some curry :)
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23:34:42 <mtsoule> hello, anyone here?
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