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04:11 <damian> buddy
04:15 <damian> now there's a flashback to 2000
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02:38 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: LOL Tumbler gets sold for <$3M Yahoo paid $1.1 billion for it in 2013. That's not even a penny on the dollar. As someone else so eloquently put it, they could have raised more in a GoFundMe for people who wanted their porn back. https://t.co/ZPsvOvOpt7
13:49 <Ampera> Rest in peace tumblr
13:52 <Ampera> you had nice porn
13:54 <Ampera> but then you didn't
29:32 <ThunderSqueak> heh
33:13 <DHess_US> That's what happens when you lock Tumbler in a sealed cell and turn off the observation cameras. It commits suicide.
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47:43 <Ampera> I somehow went from having the most unstable connection of anyone to having one of the most stable.
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57:04 <Guest|99203> Hey I have a question
57:09 <ThunderSqueak_> hmm?
57:19 <Guest|99203> is it safe to sleep next to an outlet?
57:20 <ThunderSqueak_> mine is stable, I just logged in downstairs
57:26 <ThunderSqueak_> and yes, it is fine
57:35 <ThunderSqueak_> unless the wires are exposed
58:12 <Guest|99203> I mean there is 120V ac, does that not give off a field from the outlet?
58:23 <ThunderSqueak_> nothing high enough freq to hurt you
58:28 <Guest|99203> Thanks man
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58:48 <ThunderSqueak_> that was a weird question <.<;;
58:50 <Ampera> lol
59:02 <Ampera> I've seen stupider, but eh
59:08 <ThunderSqueak_> wanted to rename them "tinfoil hat"
01:10 <ThunderSqueak_> how are you doing ampera ?
01:11 <Ampera> wait, you can rename other people on IRC?
01:19 <ThunderSqueak_> I saved a kid from panicking adults today
01:28 <ThunderSqueak_> no XD
01:34 <ThunderSqueak_> doesnt mean I didnt wanna do it
02:04 <Ampera> As for me, I am doing anywhere from okay to horribly.
02:09 <Ampera> I've sort of lost the ability to tell anymore.
02:16 <ThunderSqueak_> but this kid got stuck with his hand in his bike chain, between the chain and the sprocket
02:26 <ThunderSqueak_> the mother came to me for help
03:09 <ThunderSqueak_> I walked out there and one person was pouring veggi oil on his hand and trying to pull it out, another was using these tiny vicegrips and stripping out a completely unrelated nut, kid was screaming...
03:10 <Ampera> I can't get over how Tumblr went from being worth 1.1b to 3m
04:20 <Ampera> anyways how are you doing, ThunderSqueak_
04:32 <ThunderSqueak_> I said "you, witht he oil, stop infecting his hand... and I will brb" and went and grabbed the right tools... came back, quickly removed the rear tire and lifted the chain... got his hand out easily, while I did it I talked to the kid instead of panicking, telling him a story and asking questions. He quit crying and answered questions and such... real trooper
05:12 <ThunderSqueak_> after I got it out the mom rushed him into the house and tried to wash it, came back out I was like "uhm, you might want to do more than neosporin for that..."
05:25 <ThunderSqueak_> kid was shivering and saying he was cold... going into shock ><
05:37 <ThunderSqueak_> I told her that and told her where a clinic is
05:58 <ThunderSqueak_> I swear, some people only reproduce by having lots of kids and hoping one survives....
06:02 <ThunderSqueak_> she is on her 4th
06:18 <ThunderSqueak_> soooo that was my evening
06:37 <Ampera> I love it when people who know nothing about general medicine try to deal with shit way above their head.
07:16 <ThunderSqueak_> the one lady with the oil kept trying to pull his hand out
07:20 <Ampera> My uncle-in-law was telling me a story, as he used to be an EMT, Police officer, and firefighter, and I believe it was when he was an EMT this happened.
07:27 <ThunderSqueak_> I was like wtf are you doing, stop that
07:35 <Ampera> No it was when he was police.
07:37 <ThunderSqueak_> it was like a bunch of monkeys beating on a computer
08:07 <Ampera> But anyways, this guy I think had a chainsaw that kicked back, sliced a chunk out of his head or something, idk how bad it was
08:09 <ThunderSqueak_> the mom thanked me at least
08:21 <Ampera> his wife was right there with a bottle of rubbing alcohol about to put it on :P
08:29 <ThunderSqueak_> omg
08:56 <ThunderSqueak_> the kid had a good 2 inch gash across his hand
09:01 <ThunderSqueak_> way into the meat
09:21 <ThunderSqueak_> the sprocket dug in and the chain pinched it in
09:35 <Ampera> Don't you guys have ambulances?
09:49 <ThunderSqueak_> I reassembled his bike but told the mom to check it over
09:58 <ThunderSqueak_> we do, but she wasnt going to do that
10:12 <ThunderSqueak_> and I had to do something, the adults were actually doing more damage
10:13 <Ampera> I would for a flesh wound and shock
10:26 <ThunderSqueak_> clinic is like 2 blocks away
10:27 <Ampera> Well obviously save the kid, but call emergency services
10:35 <Ampera> That's not a clinic visit, that's an ER visit
10:47 <ThunderSqueak_> here clinic is about the same as ER
10:52 <Ampera> If I were to show up to the clinic going into shock with a 2 inch flesh wound on my hand they'd call the ambulance for me.
11:05 <Ampera> Here the clinic is if you have some small infected something and they give you antibiotics
11:17 <ThunderSqueak_> oh yeah here they have proper dr's
11:24 <ThunderSqueak_> do stitches and such
11:34 <ThunderSqueak_> I still cant beleive the lady with the oil
11:37 <ThunderSqueak_> like wtf
12:12 <ThunderSqueak_> oh the best part, I asked the mom to hold the rear tire steady while I worked, so it didnt cause more damage
12:32 <ThunderSqueak_> I had to tell her like 4 times to hold it, she kept letting go
14:39 <Ampera> All I did today was go to the store and then make egg/macaroni/potato salad
14:52 <ThunderSqueak_> ah
15:13 <ThunderSqueak_> I tried to eat a pot pie today... one of the guys in the D&D game forgot it in the freezer
15:13 <Ampera> Well, yesterday, later today I go do a contract video editing job
15:20 <ThunderSqueak_> yeah, way too much salt
15:31 <Ampera> Not a fan of pot pies, or rather I can't eat them.
15:38 <ThunderSqueak_> I like homemade ones
15:46 <Ampera> It's fine so long as it doesn't have vegetables
15:50 <ThunderSqueak_> I make most my food from scratch
15:56 <ThunderSqueak_> I love veggies
16:02 <Ampera> I can't eat most of them.
16:18 <Ampera> Despite that I enjoy making my own food. I've started a challenge of 20 dollars/week make my own meals
16:40 <ThunderSqueak_> oh I do that anyway
16:45 <ThunderSqueak_> I eat pretty cheap
17:11 <Ampera> My first week went pretty well, I only had delivery/takeout pizza twice.
17:51 <ThunderSqueak_> oh ... I dont usually get that sort of food
17:57 <ThunderSqueak_> pizza is expensive here
18:06 <Ampera> You think it's cheap here?
18:16 <Ampera> Pizza is expensive anywhere for a pizza store
18:32 <ThunderSqueak_> just saying, that would put me way over 20 dollars/week
18:34 <Ampera> Including tip, I paid 45 bucks for a large bacon/mushroom pizza and 12 wings.
18:56 <ThunderSqueak_> I am saving up for some cosmetic surgery <.<;;
18:56 <Ampera> The interesting bit is how I ordered the pizza, I'm not sure if you saw me mention it earlier.
19:26 <ThunderSqueak_> issue I have had for a long time that bugs me, I want it fixed
19:34 <Ampera> Change of head?
19:41 <ThunderSqueak_> fuck you :P
19:46 <ThunderSqueak_> but it is on my face
19:57 <ThunderSqueak_> nose was broke a lot when I was a kid
19:58 <Ampera> Ah, so you want to get it off your face.
20:11 <ThunderSqueak_> I want it fixed
20:52 <Ampera> Eh, at least for you all the hard shit you had to deal with seems to be over.
21:02 <ThunderSqueak_> just this left
21:04 <Ampera> I'm on the other end of the pitch, and for the love of fuck is it all so retarded.
21:08 <ThunderSqueak_> it is a constant reminder
21:11 <ThunderSqueak_> and I want it fixed
21:47 <ThunderSqueak_> I got beat up a lot
21:50 <ThunderSqueak_> :/
21:51 <Ampera> Honestly I'm not sure if I could transition. There's so much shit stacked against me, and almost everyone I've ever met or ask who had anything to do with what I was involved with was a complete fuckface.
21:58 <ThunderSqueak_> like held down and pummeled
22:30 <Ampera> That idea always perplexes me. I've never been in a fight in my life. I don't know how people get held down and beaten like that.
22:44 <Ampera> I can't say I'd just get up and fight back, because I just don't know, all I can say is I would try.
22:46 <ThunderSqueak_> uhm, large boys grab you and beat you up
22:55 <ThunderSqueak_> you fight back, but they overpower you
22:57 <ThunderSqueak_> simple as that
23:05 <Ampera> If you can't win, run.
23:14 <ThunderSqueak_> oh I did that... a lot
23:20 <ThunderSqueak_> but it would happen eventually
23:21 <Ampera> I'd call the police on their asses personally.
23:32 <ThunderSqueak_> depends on the area
23:40 <ThunderSqueak_> so anyway
23:43 <ThunderSqueak_> I want it fixed
23:49 <ThunderSqueak_> I told my father today
24:19 <Ampera> I just want the eternal pain and torment that plagues my mind to evaporate.
24:49 <Ampera> I'm just irreparably broken, and can't see a future where I won't suffer immensely from it.
24:50 <ThunderSqueak_> no idea how to help ya there
25:26 <Ampera> I don't have any idea how to help me either. It's not a battle where my input or the input of others seems to have any great effect.
25:47 <ThunderSqueak_> seems like a battle of you either do it or you dont do it
26:14 <Ampera> That describes the concept of a hard binary decision.
26:24 <ThunderSqueak_> it does
26:34 <ThunderSqueak_> but you either act or you dont act
26:37 <ThunderSqueak_> that simple
26:38 <Ampera> One issue is that the choice isn't final. It's like trying to drown yourself in a bathtub.
26:57 <Ampera> There's every indication along the way that it's a shit idea and that you don't want to do it.
27:03 <ThunderSqueak_> huh? not final? I would say someone transitioning is pretty perm
27:16 <Ampera> There are steps, things you need to do.
27:21 <Ampera> A sort of finality that needs to be acquired.
27:38 <Ampera> It's not just one thing, and at any point I could completely reverse, panic, and backtrack.
27:45 <ThunderSqueak_> yeah, talk to dr... get letters... get on hrt... save up a LOT of money to pay for any surgeries
27:54 <Ampera> Don't need to.
27:57 <ThunderSqueak_> I dated a ftm
28:04 <ThunderSqueak_> it was $$$$
28:08 <Ampera> You do not need a letter to get HRT here.
28:16 <ThunderSqueak_> oh well do you do that then?
28:40 <Ampera> You simply go to a PP clinic, ask for it, they tell you what it does, you sign (or my parents sign), and they give you a prescription and monitor it.
28:41 <Ampera> That's it.
28:49 <ThunderSqueak_> oh wow
28:53 <ThunderSqueak_> where is that?
28:56 <Ampera> NY
29:06 <ThunderSqueak_> things sure do change
29:19 <Ampera> Oh man I'm totally in a good state for this problem, that's one good thing.
29:36 <ThunderSqueak_> yeha
29:36 <Ampera> Name/gender changes officially, getting things updated, it's basically like any other name change.
30:11 <Ampera> The issue is that as I try to organize the completely smashed instincts of my mind, I further and further gain an intense anger at the situation and a deep desire to not do what I might be about to do
30:35 <Ampera> I've gained an insane understanding of the structure of my own mind, and have isolated it into two halves, a subjective and objective half.
30:49 <Ampera> You can feel separately to how you can think.
31:09 <ThunderSqueak_> oh well ... sounds like you are torturing yourself... that is why they used to have you see a dr and work it out in a clinical setting
31:19 <Ampera> My situation is an intense and life defining battle between those two halves, as my feelings fight intensely with my rationality, with battles won and moments of synergy turned into chaos.
31:38 <Ampera> I have lost every single bit of trust for mental health professionals.
31:53 <Ampera> I consider outside of very basic and well understood problems, they are as good as frauds.
32:35 <Ampera> My issue is one of the worst understood problems there are, and the constant partisanism and factionalization just makes it worse.
33:26 <Ampera> Torturing myself is an apt comparison, however it's not conscious, it's fed by a deep mix of intense feelings and sensations that, even when I understand them, defy control or unity.
33:35 <ThunderSqueak_> ah well, I have had a different experience with them
33:44 <Ampera> You have a different problem.
33:49 <ThunderSqueak_> yeah
33:52 <ThunderSqueak_> this is true
33:56 <ThunderSqueak_> but just saying
34:07 <Ampera> You also had this at a time where the insanity wasn't as concentrated.
34:25 * ThunderSqueak_ ponders.
34:47 <Ampera> What I've found is a broken system of fearmongering. Therapists perpetually harass and even threaten parents to take their children on baseless indications to perform incredibly dangerous medical procedures.
35:43 <Ampera> There is a person that my mom consulted when this all came to light. Her name is Arlene Lev, and she is considered to be a highly regarded expert in this field, one of the most significant advocates and therapists in the world associated with this issue.
35:51 <ThunderSqueak_> yeah but you are an adult, right?
35:57 <Ampera> Nope.
36:06 <ThunderSqueak_> ah
36:07 <Ampera> Soon enough, and for what it matters, I might as well be.
36:26 <Ampera> My parents have relinquished their power to decide into my hands. What I come to they will back.
36:42 <Ampera> Regardless, back to that person.
37:02 <ThunderSqueak_> heh, much nicer than my parents
37:10 <ThunderSqueak_> my parents "know best"
37:27 <Ampera> She was incredibly intense with my mom, and if my parents had taken her, and I cannot understate this, scare practices, and I abided, I would be at this point be permanently damaged physically.
37:52 <ThunderSqueak_> in what way?
38:02 <Ampera> She made suicide threats to my mom when she decided to simply stop attending her, stating that if she didn't immediately place me on hormone blockers, I would commit suicide.
38:26 <Ampera> If I had taken those hormone blockers, I would be permanently altered.
38:27 <ThunderSqueak_> uhm, that happens a lot <.<
38:31 <ThunderSqueak_> the suicide thing
38:36 <ThunderSqueak_> anyway
38:55 <ThunderSqueak_> I guess we just see things differently
39:02 <Ampera> Of course it does, and I'd put money on a good chunk of those being from people who were shoved into it it too fast, too early, and even without them knowing what they had.
39:17 <Ampera> I think hormone blockers under any condition should be illegal to give to children before puberty.
39:35 <ThunderSqueak_> when I was young it was because no one would help people until they were 18, even when they knew far earlier
39:42 <Ampera> Unless there is a serious alternate chemical reason to provide them, they are permanent medications that will make changes that cannot be undone.
39:54 <Ampera> It's not about knowing, it's about being sure.
40:10 <ThunderSqueak_> oh being sure is easy
40:13 <Ampera> Like you said, transitioning is pretty permanent.
40:15 <Ampera> No it is not.
40:26 <Ampera> I can tell you after over half a decade of trying to see if I am sure, I am still not sure.
40:35 <ThunderSqueak_> heh
40:37 <Ampera> I just have seen all sides and understood the problem better than most people.
41:15 <Ampera> It's not that my problem isn't that bad either, it haunts me daily, it has already caused profound mental damage and stolen a lot of time I will never get back.
42:30 <Ampera> This is a topic, no matter what happens to me, I will take to my heart and to my grave. I am completely convinced that there are hundreds, if not thousands of children and tweens who are right now being pushed into permanent medical operations that will sign them onto a track they can never reverse on.
43:28 <Ampera> It pains me so deeply because so long as this happens, nobody will put any proper effort into trying to understand the problem. All that will happen is that the waters will be muddied by people who didn't have the problem in the first place, but were pushed into it at insane ages like 4
43:35 <ThunderSqueak_> I think if the kid is absolutely sure, but it has to be the person's own choice
43:38 <ThunderSqueak_> anyway
43:44 <Ampera> No, kids cannot be absolutely sure.
43:52 <Ampera> That's why people aren't allowed to fuck kids.
43:53 <ThunderSqueak_> depends on the kid
43:57 <Ampera> That's why there's an age of consent.
44:01 <ThunderSqueak_> for gender stuff
44:05 <ThunderSqueak_> not for sex
44:20 <ThunderSqueak_> some people DO know
44:22 <Ampera> Sex is far less permanent and far less potentially damaging than a medical transition.
44:57 <ThunderSqueak_> I am not saying that is every person
45:05 <Ampera> Yet, we still have clear set lines in the legal ground where you cannot let a kid make a decision about intercourse, and you shouldn't let kids make these medical decision, nor should parents be allowed to.
45:07 <ThunderSqueak_> I am just saying some do know
45:28 <ThunderSqueak_> uhm lets agree to disagree on this
45:49 <ThunderSqueak_> and I say to you, no one else, do what makes you happy
45:59 <Ampera> It doesn't matter if children know, there is no way to tell if they do.
46:44 <Ampera> This problem is insanely complicated, and affects the mind on an incredibly deep level, one I've only just begun to understand with any real meaning. I can tell you without a doubt that there is no child that can understand the problem in a way that makes them ethically fit to be allowed to take that decision.
47:40 <ThunderSqueak_> that is your perspective on your own situation
47:54 <Ampera> As for doing what makes me happy, it sounds good enough, but that's not a good idea.
48:10 <Ampera> Drugs make people happy, then they make them feel like shit.
48:24 <ThunderSqueak_> wow extremes
48:38 <ThunderSqueak_> ok, going to go elsewhere ^^ this is a one sided discussion
48:39 <Ampera> I need to know what I do has a genuine reason and will end up causing less harm and suffering in the end.
48:45 <Ampera> Then make a counter argument.
48:46 <ThunderSqueak_> ttfn
48:51 <Ampera> Say something back.
48:54 <ThunderSqueak_> I have
48:57 <ThunderSqueak_> but am ignroed
49:00 <Ampera> What did you say?
49:02 <ThunderSqueak_> anyway ttfn
49:10 <Ampera> for the love of fuck all mighty
49:43 <ThunderSqueak_> anyway, take care ^^
49:55 <Ampera> You said bye like three times, if you're gonna go, then leave.
50:43 <ThunderSqueak_> one does not need to log out to leave :P
50:55 <Ampera> Leaving means not continuing the conversation.
51:03 <ThunderSqueak_> yep
51:15 <Ampera> If you want to continue I am very much happy to debate, but you need to make counter points, not just say that's what you think, good for you.
51:44 <ThunderSqueak_> and you ignore PMs :>
51:50 <Ampera> No I don't.
52:04 <Ampera> AustNet requires users to be identified with services to send PMs
52:06 <ThunderSqueak_> anyway, I just have a different perspective
52:08 <Ampera> It's an austnet thing.
52:13 <Ampera> I didn't even receive a PM
52:15 <ThunderSqueak_> ah
52:17 <ThunderSqueak_> gotcha
52:26 <Ampera> http://prntscr.com/orww8r
52:36 <Ampera> I'm on AfterNET too if you want to PM there, they don't have that restriction.
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