// #eevblog — 2019-08-11
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00:01:46 <DHess_US> Welp, I broke the forums again.
00:03:14 <coppice> nah, they self destruct
00:03:52 <rust_collector> they still work here?
00:04:01 <DHess_US> No, I broke them. Just call me ToJ Hess
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01:06:21 <Mixermic> Hey everyone
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01:07:59 <rust_collector> you could at least wait for one minute
01:15:42 Nick: T3sl41 is now known as T3sl4
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02:24:40 <DHess_US> Ok, everybody stop posting so I can finish catching up with new posts.
02:24:47 <rust_collector> ok
02:25:16 <T3sl4> buh
02:25:24 <T3sl4> oh. sorry.
02:26:58 <rust_collector> I am thinking about making some kind of wheel alignment tool. I wonder if I should just use 2 laser pointers...
02:29:08 <DHess_US> I just use a straight board and a big L-square.
02:29:34 <DHess_US> Well, and a couple of clamps to clamp the L-square to the board.
02:30:38 <rust_collector> fancy
02:31:38 <rust_collector> 90% of the time, the cars I come across only have adjustable toe angle, so I should probably keep it very simple
02:34:57 <rust_collector> I am also thinking about what I should do with my old valiant. It is not far from stock, so maybe I should keep it almost stock. Part of me wants to put efi on it, but part of me wants to just slap a carb in good shape on the thing, and use it
02:44:29 <DHess_US> The one thing to watch out for is that you have to match the pressure of the front tires since you are using the sidewalls as a reference surface and it has to be done with the normal weight on the tires.
02:45:08 <DHess_US> It only takes 10s of minutes to do.
02:46:55 <rust_collector> If I use boards or something like that, I usually make a strip that sit on the wheel. I just find tires to have too many bumps and dips. but it is probably more than good enough
02:47:41 <rust_collector> but it would be nice to have something... maybe magnetic, to just ploink on there
02:48:01 <DHess_US> Given the spacing between the tires, the errors are insignificant.
02:48:32 <rust_collector> yeah, probably
02:48:36 <DHess_US> Magnetic would be nice but most wheels are aluminum now. I guess a strong enugh magnet could pick up the steel in the tire.
02:48:54 <DHess_US> I've done it before and the results were better than most tire shops can do.
02:49:34 <rust_collector> well, yes. I guess it is more about what they bother doing, than what they can do there, but... yes.
02:49:36 <DHess_US> Of course you are only adjusting toe and centering of the wheel but those are usually the only things you can adjust anyway.
02:49:44 <rust_collector> yep
02:50:04 <rust_collector> the one good thing about working on modern junk.
02:50:52 <rust_collector> well, and not having rusted solid for 40+ years is nice
02:51:39 <rust_collector> so, I was looking in my random parts bin(s)
02:53:17 <rust_collector> I do have a megasquirt, which if I remember right, is set up for ford ignintion of some kind. I think I might look and see if I can find reasonable tbi unit, and see what happens
02:54:01 <rust_collector> Not that I have anything against the carter bbd that is on there, except it is really worn, and needs work
02:54:59 <rust_collector> oh well. time to get outside and do rear brakes on a saab
03:01:37 <DHess_US> drums or discs?
03:01:53 <DHess_US> If drums, don't forget to get the kit to replace all of the hardware.
03:03:42 <coppice> frozen brakes? pretty common on a Swedish car :)
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04:15:56 <rust_collector> it is those "hat" style disks, with the terrible handbrake drum in the middle
04:16:36 <rust_collector> And them being frozen... that is true, in both ways. rear disks are a terrible idea up here
05:09:41 <coppice> its kinda odd to need those separate handbrake drums on an automatic
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05:13:29 <Nothing\> hey ho fambly
05:16:46 <T3sl4> 'lo
05:17:11 <rust_collector> coppice: I think it is a leftover from back when you had to have an emergency brake
05:17:29 <rust_collector> hey Nothing\
05:18:04 <T3sl4> rust_collector: i collected a lot of rust from the remains of what used to be a drum handbrake in my car
05:18:15 <T3sl4> they rusted, fell or broke off
05:18:21 <T3sl4> the cable just dead ends now :P
05:19:05 <rust_collector> I remember putting the entire front "frame" of a -61 ford falcon in a single plastic bag.
05:19:40 <coppice> rust_collector: discs are better for an emergency brake. The whole emergency brake thing was based around mistrust of the main hydraulic circuit, so you needed a handbrake that activated the same brake in an alternative way
05:19:56 <rust_collector> right
05:19:59 <Nothing\> rust_collector: you mean a thundercougerfalconbird
05:20:26 <rust_collector> not sure if there was a thunder anything in -61
05:20:41 <Nothing\> thunderthighs?
05:20:53 <T3sl4> awesome. awesome to the max.
05:21:00 <rust_collector> they might have had those, but I am not that ancient
05:21:01 <coppice> parking on disc brakes can be fun. I used to have a car like that. I had an automatic, so no problem. People with the manual might have felt differently :)
05:21:15 <Nothing\> T3sl4: i'm like 185hrs into breath of wild now lol
05:21:20 <Nothing\> i'm totally hooked on this
05:21:36 <T3sl4> yep
05:21:50 <T3sl4> did you see there's a fly-anywhere glitch
05:21:53 <Nothing\> i've done i think 2/3 of the shrines and 3 divine beasts, i've explored all of the map except the north west corner where the rito are, which is the last beast i have to do
05:22:01 <T3sl4> not too hard to perform either, it looks like
05:22:01 <Nothing\> is that the one where you ride lord sidon?
05:22:07 <rust_collector> but I can tell you that rusted solid rear disks do not work better than old drum brakes
05:22:19 <T3sl4> that too
05:22:32 <Nothing\> oh i think i vaguely remember a fly anywhere glitch, you sorta do lots of little hops to get up in the air, don't you?
05:22:45 <T3sl4> yeah it's an infinite jump
05:22:49 <Nothing\> that's it
05:22:50 <rust_collector> ok, back outside... have fun
05:22:57 <T3sl4> ew
05:22:57 <Nothing\> there were a few glitches that utilized, as i recall
05:22:59 <T3sl4> outside?
05:23:05 <T3sl4> there's weather out there
05:23:09 <T3sl4> and... other people
05:23:12 <Nothing\> rust_collector: : be careful, that big light bulb out there hurts to look at
05:23:20 <Nothing\> i dunno how they ever change that thing every morning
05:23:25 <rust_collector> I noticed
05:23:56 <rust_collector> have my diy space suit for anything I do outside
05:24:28 <coppice> some cars have been really bad for rusted up rear brakes because they made anything but really aggressive braking only brake at the front. gentle drives didn't use the back brakes at all. Alfa Romeo were bad for this
05:45:19 <DHess_US> I can't say I've ever had that problem.
05:46:02 <DHess_US> But I've never lived anywhere where gettign water frozen into the drum brakes was likely to happen.
05:46:18 <DHess_US> And when something doesn't seem right, I rebuild my brakes anyway.
05:57:24 <Nothing\> is there any way to mitigate the voltage drop from a series diode?
05:57:39 <Nothing\> maybe with an op amp, i dunno
05:58:08 <Nothing\> i just wanna use it as a rectifier, but i don't want it dropping the Vd, or as little as possible
05:58:18 <coppice> ask Schottky if he can help
05:58:27 <Nothing\> that would certainly help
05:58:36 <DHess_US> Schottky or germanium will have lower forward voltage drop.
05:58:42 <Nothing\> i was hoping for a solution with a 0 Vd though
05:58:47 <DHess_US> Otherwise use a transistor as a synchronous diode.
05:58:50 <Ampera> hi Nothing\, how do?
05:59:02 <Nothing\> i think i've seen something that does it in sample and hold circuits
05:59:13 <Nothing\> Ampera: hey buddy, i'm doing pretty well, how about you?
05:59:16 <Nothing\> better than usual, i hope
05:59:23 <Ampera> I am about to perform a neat magic trick.
05:59:39 <DHess_US> Two diodes can be used with one compensating the forward voltage drop of the other.
06:00:11 <DHess_US> Or an operational amplifier can be used to divide the forward voltage drop by the open loop gain essentially making it zero.
06:00:18 <Nothing\> Ampera: you gonna make a bottle of booze disappear?
06:00:24 <Ampera> I will be ordering a pizza with a 486.
06:00:34 <Nothing\> DHess_US: : yeah the solution i'm thinking employed op amps
06:00:37 <Nothing\> Ampera: : haha nice
06:02:23 <coppice> Ampera: that's an unusual topping
06:02:37 <Ampera> using a
06:02:47 <DHess_US> Nothing\, https://www.analog.com/media/en/reference-design-documentation/design-notes/dn61f.pdf
06:02:58 <Nothing\> right on, thanks man
06:03:22 <Nothing\> i love analog.com
06:03:29 <Nothing\> such a great treasure trove of resources
06:03:36 <Nothing\> their op amp guide is pure gold
06:04:03 <Nothing\> although it occurs to me that somebody looking at my browser history might mistake it for "anal og"
06:04:13 <Nothing\> can't be unseen
06:04:22 <T3sl4> anal ysis is great
06:04:36 <T3sl4> spec anal is great too
06:04:46 <Nothing\> well, in biology lysis is the destruction of a cell, afair
06:05:04 <coppice> rectum paralysis
06:05:22 <Nothing\> rectum? damn near anus
06:05:29 <T3sl4> wait..
06:05:38 <Ampera> bah, this drive needs lube
06:05:45 <Ampera> gonna have to do a quick swap with another
06:05:45 <Nothing\> that's what SHE said
06:06:03 <Nothing\> okie gonna play hyrule warriors
06:06:05 <Nothing\> ta ta
06:06:18 Quit: Nothing\ ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
06:06:18 <Ampera> ciao
06:07:37 <coppice> T3sl4: do we need to continue waiting?
06:09:01 <T3sl4> that was "wait" as in "hol up" but if you have to ask, yes.
06:21:15 <coppice> OK, I've holed up somewhere they can't get me
06:23:05 <coppice> I think Epstein was abducted by aliens.... or was it probed by aliens. Something like that.
06:24:48 <Ampera> He is an alien.
06:24:52 <Ampera> That's why they killed him.
06:35:51 <coppice> It was suicide, and when they catch Su she's in serious trouble
06:36:38 <T3sl4> which cide is she on, anyway? i don't trust her
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07:38:40 <ThunderSqueak> *dances more*
07:38:44 <ThunderSqueak> hi
07:50:24 * T3sl4 wiggles
07:51:46 * ThunderSqueak wiggles too.
07:51:56 <T3sl4> how are you today?
07:52:02 <ThunderSqueak> mostly happy :D
07:52:56 <ThunderSqueak> how about yourself?
07:54:07 <T3sl4> a bit bored
07:54:20 <T3sl4> guess i should sit down and actually update my website, bring in more business :P
07:55:25 <ThunderSqueak> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBo2YSJXsAA3hkN?format=jpg&name=small
07:55:43 <ThunderSqueak> oh, I am just in a good mood
07:55:49 <ThunderSqueak> bit hungry though
07:56:33 * T3sl4 hands ThunderSqueak an imaginary ice cream cone
07:56:34 <ThunderSqueak> trying not to eat XD
07:56:42 * ThunderSqueak ponders.
07:56:51 <ThunderSqueak> what I really want tbh is another slice of pizza
07:56:59 <ThunderSqueak> I had one last night at the game
07:57:03 <ThunderSqueak> D&D game
07:57:03 <T3sl4> everyone's been pizzaing today
07:57:10 <T3sl4> i'll have to do some for dinner i guess
07:57:14 <ThunderSqueak> I had sushi earlier
07:57:19 <T3sl4> nice
07:57:20 <ThunderSqueak> for lunch, single roll
07:57:27 <ThunderSqueak> had an apple for breakfast
07:57:40 <ThunderSqueak> I am up to 500 calories so far today
07:57:46 <ThunderSqueak> max is 1200
07:57:51 <ThunderSqueak> so, trying to wait for dinner
07:58:06 <T3sl4> need a distraction
07:58:18 <ThunderSqueak> almost drank 3 gallons of water
07:58:29 <ThunderSqueak> hmm if coding, nope XD
08:00:10 <T3sl4> oh, well coding is a distraction
08:00:48 <ThunderSqueak> I am a hardware designer, I dont even pretend to code XD
08:03:41 <ThunderSqueak> maybe I will have liver for dinner
08:03:47 <T3sl4> mmm
08:06:01 <ThunderSqueak> :>
08:06:07 <ThunderSqueak> still craving it
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11:04:09 <Halcyon> Morning all
11:11:29 <T3sl4> evenin
11:11:43 <Halcyon> What's happening?
11:13:34 <T3sl4> goin out for a drink soon
11:13:43 <Halcyon> Yay!
11:14:11 <T3sl4> tis my birthday
11:14:18 <Halcyon> Oh really? *cuddles*
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13:03:25 <Halcyon> Fucking ESXi
13:10:33 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: ANOTHER Solar Roadways FAIL - Hengelo cc @thunderf00t https://t.co/PccqxYKF3c
14:22:42 <Halcyon> Ampera, looks like Proxmox is based off KVM/QEMU
14:22:49 <Halcyon> It just has a nice web GUI
14:28:47 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
14:29:02 <Halcyon> Heya
14:29:04 <Ampera> you already told me this and I already told you exactly why I think it's not a good idea to use it.
14:29:32 <Halcyon> I don't understand how it's any different to running it under another Linux distro?
14:29:56 <Halcyon> In fact, it would make maintenance easier, and if I need to tinker under the hood, I have that option.
14:30:08 <Ampera> Because when you run all-in-one shiny UI'd packages like that, you're relying on the developers to have ensure that it works flawlessly across various platforms, and that there will be never any configuration or any other issues of any sort.
14:30:34 <Ampera> Similar to how you're getting big issues with ESXi, if you don't know how it works, it makes it significantly harder to fix it.
14:30:36 <Halcyon> Sure, but if if it works, it works?
14:30:47 <Ampera> ESXi is supposed to work.
14:30:47 <Halcyon> I've determined that ESXi is buggy
14:30:56 <Ampera> So what is different about this solution?
14:31:19 <Halcyon> The network fails when the GUI times out. Random network outages are a known issue and it was supposed to be fixed with an update. It seems in this case, it hasn't
14:31:22 <Ampera> KVM/QEMU is all well and good, but QEMU and libVIrt are two incredibly complicated pieces of software.
14:31:41 <Ampera> So what happens when you have a known issue with this distro and it doesn't get fixed?
14:31:47 <Halcyon> If/when
14:31:51 <Halcyon> I may, or may not
14:31:59 <Ampera> It happened before, why shouldn't it happen again?
14:32:17 <Ampera> The point being if you build your own solution using basic parts from the ground up, that means you know how it was put together.
14:32:20 <Halcyon> At least I can dump to a CLI and look into it. I can do that in ESXi too, but it's some strange version of *nix that they developed
14:32:46 <Ampera> no it's not
14:32:53 <Ampera> ESXi is a proprietary kernel architecture.
14:33:03 <Halcyon> Yes
14:33:05 <Halcyon> And it's shit
14:33:11 <Halcyon> Proxmox is Linux based
14:33:17 <Ampera> good to hear, what makes the other solution not shit?
14:33:29 <Ampera> besides the concept of it not being what you are using now?
14:33:33 <Halcyon> I understand what's going on under the GUI better than ESXi
14:33:45 <Ampera> So if you understand it why do you need it done for you?
14:33:53 <Halcyon> Because I prefer a web front-end
14:34:21 <Ampera> with libvirt you can get a fully featured desktop front end
14:34:36 <Halcyon> I'm sure I can, but it's just a preference
14:34:43 <Ampera> Does your web UI support graphics spice?
14:35:03 <Halcyon> I saw something about spice, haven't tested anything yet
14:35:12 <Ampera> that's graphics acceleration
14:35:36 <Ampera> Look, you can piss about however you want to do this, I'm telling you from my own experience that these AIO solutions tend to be a pain in the ass.
14:35:52 <Halcyon> They *shouldn't* be though
14:35:54 <Ampera> Even big mainstream ones like pfSense have given me pretty big issues in just trying to get shit to work.
14:36:05 <Halcyon> Wha? Really? pfSense has been one of the best
14:36:08 <Halcyon> Same with FreeNAS
14:36:08 <Ampera> For example, I wanted a HTTP destination resolving reverse proxy.
14:36:16 <Ampera> Documentation? HAH
14:36:31 <Ampera> I had two options, Squid and some other thing.
14:36:44 <Ampera> How do they work? Who knows, because all the documentation is written for people /not/ using pfSense.
14:37:20 <Ampera> The only reason I use it is because pf is such an ungodly beast of a poorly documented program that it genuinely needs abstraction, even if it makes everything else more difficult.
14:37:20 <Halcyon> You mean HAproxy ?
14:37:29 <Ampera> aye that's the other one.
14:37:43 <Halcyon> There are links to guides on the pfSense/Netgate forum for that
14:37:45 <Ampera> Documentation for those two on pfSense pretty much doesn't exist, and what there is, is magically not for my use case.
14:38:00 <Ampera> They're often incomplete, or presume knowledge and configuration setups I don't have.
14:38:21 <Halcyon> All I'm saying is, my experiences with VMware don't automatically apply to every other system
14:38:24 <Ampera> Either that, or it demands manual configuration, bypassing the panel, which would be all well and good if pfSense didn't dick with the filesystem locations and etc.
14:38:43 <Halcyon> Like I said, Citrix was well known for it's issues back in the day, yet it was widely used.
14:38:56 <Ampera> You can use what you want, I'm not even sure why I am arguing about this, I'm mostly just bored, but these solutions just make me stupid and reliant.
14:38:57 <Halcyon> VMware isn't much better
14:39:06 <Halcyon> Well I'm going to test it
14:39:14 <Halcyon> I'm going to see if it ticks the boxes that ESXi didn't
14:39:24 <Ampera> in other news I ordered a pizza yesterday
14:39:24 <Halcyon> And if it works, then wonderful
14:40:02 <Ampera> not only did I order a pizza, I ordered it with my 486.
14:41:21 <Halcyon> Example, right now, the VM has failed, I try to force a reset I get this error: "Failed to reset virtual machine S4E-NAS2. The attempted operation cannot be performed in the current state (Powered on)."
14:41:29 <Halcyon> Yes, no shit it's powered on, I want to reset it!
14:41:33 <Ampera> I can believe you that ESXi is broken.
14:41:55 <Ampera> I'm just saying to prevent this from happening again, do it yourself, that way you know how it works and you don't waste time trying to take the easy way out.
14:42:20 <Halcyon> I'm not taking the easy way out, I'm using a well supported package which has been developed by people smarter than me
14:42:31 <Ampera> Why are you using it?
14:42:38 <Halcyon> Because it works
14:42:43 <Halcyon> Why do I need to re-invent the wheel?
14:42:51 <Halcyon> If I have issues, I can tinker with it at that point
14:42:59 <Ampera> In other words, you don't want to put more effort into something thank you think you can get away with.
14:43:07 <Ampera> AKA, taking the easy way out.
14:43:20 <Halcyon> It's about being smarter, not doing something the hard way for the sake of it
14:43:36 <Ampera> I already told you why you should do it.
14:43:44 <Halcyon> Yes but all those things, I can do in Proxmox
14:43:50 <Ampera> It's not for the sake of it, it's because you learn something instead of having someone else do it for you.
14:43:53 <Halcyon> I can go into it and play to my hearts content if I want
14:44:19 <Ampera> Of course you can, but since you didn't package it, and didn't configure it, you have no idea how it works, and are reliant on other people having the same issue on that same package of software for you to get solutions
14:44:27 <Halcyon> At this stages, I'm trying to get servers/services back online
14:44:32 <Halcyon> I don't have the time to dick around
14:44:42 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
14:44:47 <Ampera> again, do what you want
14:44:50 <Halcyon> I am
14:45:08 <Ampera> I'll be sitting here thinking about getting on some BBSes with my modem
14:45:36 <Halcyon> I'll be sitting here swearing at ESXi when it fails again in anywhere between 15 and 60 minutes.
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14:59:10 <Ampera> I've connected to a BBS via Bell 103
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18:32:13 <Halcyon> Ampera, cards?
18:32:22 <Ampera> not now, rather tired
18:32:43 <Halcyon> No worries
20:56:01 <steve30> hi
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