// #eevblog — 2019-08-21
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01:45:51 <ziga> looks like i found the culprit
01:45:54 * ziga <-
01:46:47 <ziga> i damaged one of the 74LVC during the soldering
01:51:04 <ziga> and i should probably stop using plumbing solder flux :))
02:15:27 <T3sl41> uh
02:15:41 Nick: T3sl41 is now known as T3sl4
02:15:56 <T3sl4> yeah, at the very least, wash that with everything you've got...
02:16:37 <coppice> plumbing flux should be good for removing ICs..... completely from existance
02:41:09 <DHess_US> Eh, it isn't terrible if you clean after.
03:03:16 <DHess_US> Damnit. Who gave Trump a copy of Photoshop? https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1163603361423351808
03:22:46 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/4tmWcNl.png
04:25:17 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/XtdWr2r.png
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07:29:29 <T3sl4> hah
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09:34:45 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Now I'm not good at math, but by my calculations 2.9% of Tesla solar panel installations are catching fire... Walmart sues Tesla over solar panel fires at seven stores https://t.co/ibQtF5OVfe
10:05:09 <DHess_US> So someone else noticed that SSDs have shit retention, https://old.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/ceshhb/some_observations_on_ssd_bit_rot/
10:06:30 <coppice> that is not exactly a secret
10:07:47 <coppice> the data doesn't last long if you don't power up the drive once in a while
10:10:59 <DHess_US> It sure is a secret if you ask the manufacturers who just lie abou tit.
10:11:19 <coppice> they are open about the need for regular power ups
10:11:20 <DHess_US> I've been complaining abou thtem lying for years now.
10:11:29 <DHess_US> haha, really? WHERE!
10:11:35 <DHess_US> Give one example.
10:12:59 <DHess_US> In my last few SSDs, all new, some arrived already displaying bit rot.
10:13:11 <coppice> The documentation for the big makers goes into the regular refreshing that goes on inside the drive, and the need for it to be powered up from time to time to allow this refresh to occur
10:13:42 <DHess_US> Do they include the warning about how if during scrubbing a write occurs and the power is removed, it destroys the SSD?
10:14:17 <coppice> that's a bug issue, and they don't like being honest about bugs :)
10:14:47 <DHess_US> That's not a bug. All flash memory suffers from that problem unless backup power is provided until the SSD can enter a safe state.
10:15:09 <DHess_US> Sandisk was particularly bad about it which I find funny.
10:15:22 <DHess_US> err, no, I mean Sandforce or whatever.
10:15:50 <coppice> the drive (at least the good ones) try to ensure they have enough stored energy to complete a write before it begins the write.
10:16:21 <coppice> sandisk flash cards are garbage. I have not experience with their SSDs
10:16:58 <DHess_US> I didn't mean Sandisk. I meant SAndforce who makes controllers.
10:51:14 <T3sl4> i just think it's amusing that we developed Flash DRAM
10:55:16 <steve30> o/
11:01:15 * steve30 purrs at T3sl4
11:01:47 * T3sl4 scritches steve30 with a 40-pin dual-row header
11:02:21 <steve30> :)
11:04:59 <steve30> According to the service manual, the camcorder I bought /does/ have a CRT viewfinder :)
11:05:07 <DHess_US> I'm surprised nobody ever got a memory based on negative resistance into production. I guess it just drew too much power compared to SRAM.
11:46:53 <T3sl4> they were being hopeful about memristor crossbars for a little while there
12:05:34 <DHess_US> Isn't that what Optane effectively is?
12:38:06 * steve30 pokes Halcyon
12:43:18 <Ampera> http://prntscr.com/ovdxpk why am I on twitter q.q
12:43:48 * steve30 suggests IRC instead
12:45:56 <Ampera> I'm on it.
12:46:02 <Ampera> I devote an entire monitor almost 24/7 to IRC
12:49:54 * steve30 hugs Ampera
12:56:10 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I caved in and bought a Tesla https://t.co/SxOHQRGNap
12:58:50 * Ampera hugs steve30, offers him a cheese toastie with worchestershire sauce
13:23:37 * T3sl4 indifferents Ampera
13:28:05 <steve30> Neat item:
13:28:06 <steve30> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/eBay-Test-do-not-bid-or-buy-Test-same-business-day/263778961440?hash=item3d6a738820:g:t0UAAOSwDfNajzYd
13:30:17 * Ampera differentials T3sl4
13:30:47 * T3sl4 converges Ampera
13:31:09 * Ampera integrates a stick directly into T3sl4's ass
13:31:24 <T3sl4> that stick better have a stick up its ass or so help me
13:31:28 <steve30> I've ordered some S-VHS-C tapes
13:31:40 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRBFEYVioBI
13:51:42 * steve30 returns with a chicken sandwich
13:51:59 * T3sl4 bbq sauce's steve30
14:01:45 <DHess_US> *burp* https://science.slashdot.org/story/19/08/20/007204/scientists-are-99-percent-sure-they-just-detected-a-black-hole-eating-a-neutron-star
14:02:46 <T3sl4> mmm, tasty baryonic matter
14:06:42 <DHess_US> Crunchy degenerate matter crust surrounding a juicy neutron fluid core.
14:07:36 <DHess_US> T3sl4, ever read Dragon's Egg and Starquake by Robert Forward?
14:07:42 <T3sl4> nope
14:07:53 <DHess_US> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon%27s_Egg
14:08:01 <DHess_US> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starquake_(novel)
14:08:15 <DHess_US> Starquake especially has sone teary eye moments.
14:08:39 <T3sl4> cool
14:09:37 <T3sl4> also, i've made dragons eggs, but that's a rather simpler thing
14:09:42 <DHess_US> Well worth reading IMO.
14:09:47 <T3sl4> (powdered aluminum and lead dioxide)
14:17:44 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: The 121GW is now on Amazon US https://t.co/3N8OAeM2gi Well, it's in the warehouse somewhere...
14:20:55 * steve30 hugs T3sl4
14:21:55 <T3sl4> *steve30ly hugs*
14:24:51 <DHess_US> Taking physical anthropology ruined hugs for me.
14:36:12 * T3sl4 waves noncommittantly at DHess_US
16:01:32 <steve30> I like how Google tries to guess which village I am located in.
16:01:47 <steve30> It often comes up with different ideas, but seldom gets the correct one
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16:26:39 <Dokta> Does anybody know where I can get ASTM fuses? I have SIBA 500ma 500V code 189020 which look like they could be an adequate replacement in my 121GW but I'm not sure.
17:25:13 <Ampera> T3sl4, https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-3p-FY8vs-HQ/XVzxa2ljyyI/AAAAAAAAAwk/YykrR4yZiVUEL0Lb9X0VyVC2_pTOSEGRwCK8BGAs/s0/2019-08-21.jpg
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17:25:54 <Ampera> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-0WyshwreY-0/XVzx9p0YeoI/AAAAAAAAAw0/IwdS_3K5ohccgJ9jjpZFQP45lbkHZxjxQCK8BGAs/s0/2019-08-21.jpg
17:26:12 <T3sl4> Ampera: meow!
17:26:16 <Ampera> kitties
17:27:39 <steve30> So, yesterday morning I had to wait around for my Mum's parcel to arrive. Today I have to take it to the post office as she wants to send it back for a refund.
17:27:42 <steve30> *sigh*
17:29:30 <T3sl4> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
17:29:55 <T3sl4> https://imgur.com/gallery/eLYzHU9
17:30:17 * steve30 purrs at Ampera
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17:58:09 <T3sl4> oooh https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/ct3msi/my_name_is_alton_brown_i_cook_stuff_and_make_tv/
18:09:16 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: NEW EEVblog Video! eevBLAB #64 - Tesla Solar City Panels Are CATCHING ON FIRE! https://t.co/NG3hZ1y5qU
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19:20:51 <Ampera> oh great more thunderstorms
19:40:09 * Halcyon licks ampera
19:40:24 * Ampera dribbles on Halcyon
19:40:32 * Ampera goes for the slam dunk
19:40:34 <Halcyon> Window licker
19:40:43 <Ampera> how do Halcyon
19:40:50 <Halcyon> It's super windy here, a tree fell in my backyard
19:41:02 <Ampera> oh nice, it's thunderstorming here
19:41:33 <Halcyon> I prefer thunderstorms to wind
19:41:44 * Ampera winds all over Halcyon
19:41:58 <Halcyon> Steve might be into that
19:42:17 <Ampera> I'm thinking of taking a vacation.
19:42:21 <Halcyon> Where to?
19:42:27 <Ampera> Some other window manager.
19:42:33 <Halcyon> Oh hahaha
20:00:25 <steve30> hi Halcyon
20:00:31 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
20:06:07 * steve30 hugs Halcyon
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20:06:39 <Halcyon> Aww :)
20:06:45 <Halcyon> Aren't you a sweetheart
20:06:54 <Halcyon> Not like that Ampera, he would rather spit at me
20:07:41 <steve30> I'm a cuddle addict :)
20:07:47 <Halcyon> Me too
20:19:41 <DogWomble> a cuddleslut?
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20:22:56 <Keanu> Whoa.
20:23:06 <Halcyon> Hey Keanu
20:24:52 * steve30 hugs DogWomble
20:25:10 <DogWomble> hey Keanu
20:25:13 * DogWomble smiles at steve30
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20:32:31 <steve30> I can't help but wonder if these tapes come with any windows
20:32:50 <Halcyon> Tapes?
20:32:54 <steve30> Also, how the seller derived 'Xppeh' from XPPRO I don't know.
20:33:01 <steve30> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-x-TDK-SEC45-Xppeh-S-VHS-C-Camcoder-Blank-Tapes/264368430066?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
20:33:21 <Halcyon> Don't just about all tapes have windows?
20:34:31 <steve30> (that was a joke in reference to the name XP Pro)
20:35:01 <steve30> In other news, I saw a couple of sealed copies of MS Office 2000 at the junk market this morning.
20:36:00 <Halcyon> Hah, cool
20:36:01 <Halcyon> How much?
20:36:14 <steve30> Don't know, I didn't ask
20:40:05 <DogWomble> the old tdk tapes :) they were actually pretty decent tapes if i remember rightly
20:40:22 <DogWomble> tdk did some pretty decent quality media
20:44:22 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I'd pay money to see this! https://t.co/4ETi4k2rjE
20:52:18 <steve30> This is the camcorder I bought
20:52:20 <steve30> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Panasonic-NV-S85B-Boxed-WORKING/193046517194?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
20:52:47 <steve30> No idea what it will be like picture quality wise, but it looks like a nice machine, and according to the service manual, has a CRT viewfinder :)
20:57:47 <DogWomble> i've used the old panasonic M7 and M50 full VHS,. if i remember rightly they were very well bult and very decent quality
20:57:59 <DogWomble> my memory of them may be somewhat nsotalgic though
21:12:44 <steve30> I'm surprised at the number of Chinesium parcels my Mum has had recently
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23:03:14 <Hamid> hi
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23:19:30 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: After 7 years and 8 months, it's finally over for our good friend Meredith at everyone's favorite startup, uBeam But don't be sad, we still have the words of wisdom: https://t.co/qfZyPqoJcM https://t.co/QSfbYTnr8b
23:53:44 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: LOL! This is the new uBeam home page, it's BEGGING for captions! Best one wins The Internet! https://t.co/MbOu0q3hpu
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