// #eevblog — 2019-08-18
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05:36:24 <T3sl4> guess not a mighty need
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08:18:48 <Halcyon> Morning all
08:19:04 <rust_collector> hello, you
08:19:04 <EEVBlog> Hello there, rust_collector!
08:19:12 <Halcyon> :P
08:19:17 <rust_collector> hah
08:20:15 <rust_collector> I think this is the first channel I have been in, that has a bot.
08:20:33 <Halcyon> Bots were the shit in the 1990's and early 2000's
08:21:06 <rust_collector> yeah, that was before my time in computerland
08:21:16 <Halcyon> How old are you if you don't mind me asking
08:21:20 <rust_collector> 40
08:21:28 <rust_collector> may 2nd
08:23:04 <rust_collector> mom borrowed a dos machine from work, that I used in... oh, around 88 or 89, I think. but after that, I had no interest in computers before I got my little acer netbook, in 2008
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08:24:14 <Halcyon> Ah right
08:25:11 <rust_collector> I still have that netbook. the battery is dead, but it still works pretty well. I think it has slitaz installed now
08:25:38 <Halcyon> Yeh I have an old HP Business laptop from about 13-14 years ago, works fine apart from the battery
08:26:08 <Ampera> My first computer was a Commodore 64.
08:26:16 <rust_collector> I have used some hp elitebooks. I am in general pretty happy with them
08:26:49 <rust_collector> I got those because they have the 3g modem
08:27:19 <Halcyon> Ahh yeh
08:28:06 <rust_collector> well, I am not sure what will happen to them now, as they are shutting down 3g some time soon
08:28:45 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Apparently red bananas are a thing https://t.co/Jp7irOfyjr
08:28:49 <Halcyon> I don't see 3G being shut down for quite some time, there are too many "legacy" non-4G/LTE devices out there in use for industrial applications
08:29:06 <Ampera> They still run and sell EDGE service here.
08:29:26 <rust_collector> yeah, but most of those can get by with "2g" they say, so yeah... 3g is going
08:29:56 <Halcyon> We don't have 2G anymore
08:30:00 <Halcyon> So all those devices are dead
08:30:05 <rust_collector> https://www.thefastmode.com/investments-and-expansions/13923-telenor-norway-to-start-shuting-down-3g-network-in-2019-to-maintain-2g-for-now
08:30:18 <Halcyon> Wha!?
08:30:23 <Halcyon> How does that make any sense?
08:30:45 <rust_collector> makes room for 4 and 5g, I guess
08:30:52 <Halcyon> What about 2G though?
08:31:15 * steve30000 prods Halcyon with his GSM phone
08:31:18 <rust_collector> it is for your legacy industrial things, and alarms and crap like that
08:31:20 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
08:31:50 <steve30000> Looks like we've got some extra stevey goodness today
08:31:54 Nick: steve30000 is now known as steve30
08:32:09 <rust_collector> we have had many steve today
08:32:10 <Halcyon> We did it the other way, got rid of 2G (because it's slow, the equipment is old and redundant). Those with alarms were forced to upgrade (hopefully with something with 3G/4G support) so at least they are future proofed for the foreseeable future
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08:32:52 <Ampera> We have 2, 3, and 4G support across the nation in GSM and CDMA carriers.
08:33:06 <Ampera> I couldn't see it going any time soon.
08:33:09 <Halcyon> The way I see it is, those companies that operate things like lift phone/alarms etc... won't upgrade until they absolutely need to
08:33:26 <Halcyon> If that means they can live off 2G for a while, they'll do that. There is no incentive to upgrade
08:33:26 * steve30 meows at the empty coffee cup
08:33:47 <Halcyon> I just made a coffee Steve :)
08:34:07 * steve30 laps up Halcyon's coffee :p
08:34:12 <rust_collector> I guess alarms and stuff does not need much speed, so 2g would work fine
08:34:14 <Halcyon> Eww, cat hair
08:34:31 <Lartza> 2, 3 and 4 but GSM only in Finland, no plans to retire any of them afaik
08:34:46 <Halcyon> Yes, they probably will, but the whole point of the shutdown is to free up spectrum for LTE/5G and get rid of old equipment
08:34:52 <Halcyon> By keeping 2G, they aren't really doing that
08:35:09 <Halcyon> Lartza: I must visit Finland one day, both of my parents are from there
08:35:24 <Lartza> We have great cell service at least ;)
08:35:28 <rust_collector> yes, you should go to finland
08:35:44 <Halcyon> Same in AU, our fixed wire products are shit, but our mobile networks are fantastic
08:36:13 <Halcyon> A lot of people are moving over to LTE/5G because it's much much faster than our fastest residential VDSL2/Fibre products
08:36:23 <Lartza> Home internet isn't bad either
08:36:39 <Halcyon> Yes, because the Finnish have technological foresight and brains
08:36:44 <Halcyon> The Australian government have no idea
08:36:46 <Lartza> My friend dumbly went from cable to LTE but it's unreliable :S
08:37:03 <Lartza> Cheaper sure, and faster, but not great for gaming for instance
08:37:09 <Lartza> And not ALWAYS faster
08:37:30 <Ampera> Cable, LTE, lol
08:37:35 <Ampera> You need some fibre in your diet.
08:37:43 <Halcyon> The only thing stopping me from going over to LTE now is carrier-grade NAT
08:37:46 <Lartza> He lives in a small town :P
08:37:48 <Ampera> cc Australia
08:38:01 <Halcyon> Unless you're on an enterprise plan, you don't get a public IPv4 address on mobile
08:38:29 <Lartza> You could here at least some time ago
08:38:37 <Lartza> And still for the plans they sell as home internet at least
08:38:41 <Lartza> Just change the APN and done
08:38:43 <Halcyon> Most ISP's (wireless or fixed wire) use CG-NAT now
08:39:07 <Halcyon> Thankfully my ISP doesn't suck, so not only do I get a public IPv4 address for free (by just asking) I also have a static IP
08:39:50 <Ampera> I get a public one by default, but no IPv6 and no static unless I pay for business
08:40:08 <Halcyon> I get a block of IPv6 by default but I'm not currently using it
08:40:21 <Ampera> Verizon says they'll get to it when they get to it
08:40:34 <Halcyon> Heh, that seems to be the attitude of most ISPs
08:40:38 <Lartza> Ugh ipv6, my carrier (Telia) doesn't do ipv6 even on mobile
08:40:55 <Halcyon> I sort of don't blame them, IPv6 is a bastard. Whoever invented it is a moron
08:41:02 <Lartza> The other big carriers do, and one of the three does on hoome connections
08:41:15 <Lartza> *home connections too
08:41:24 <Lartza> Telia has 6rd but it sucks
08:41:38 <Ampera> I actually kinda like IPv6 now that I know how the hell it works
08:42:22 <Halcyon> The things that piss me off about IPv6 the most is some genius decided to rename things which have been in use for decades, for no good reason. For example, subnet masks are now "prefixes"
08:43:00 <Ampera> isn't the concept of the prefix completely different to a separate subnet mask?
08:43:06 <Halcyon> You would think so
08:43:10 <Ampera> well I thought it was
08:43:18 <Ampera> because I looked at it and understood that to be the case
08:43:25 <Ampera> but I'm not gonna get into a debate with a network tech
08:43:39 <Halcyon> But even slash notation, i.e. 1.2.3.4/24
08:43:42 <Halcyon> How is that a prefix?
08:44:16 <Halcyon> While I agree that IPv6 needs to happen, they could have designed it differently
08:45:46 <Halcyon> But anyway... how's the weather in Finland?
08:45:47 <Halcyon> Cold?
08:48:11 <steve30> i might try and go outside later
08:48:33 <Halcyon> What's wrong with outside Steve?
08:49:07 <steve30> nothing
08:49:14 <rust_collector> I really should break this modem-router thing, so I can get a new one
08:49:16 <Halcyon> You seem hesitant
08:49:34 <Halcyon> rust_collector: Why do you need to break it to get a new one?
08:49:52 <rust_collector> because if it stops working, the isp will send a new one, lol
08:50:04 <rust_collector> it is OLD
08:50:06 <Halcyon> High voltage sounds like the answer the this problem :P
08:50:12 <Halcyon> *to
08:50:42 <rust_collector> yeah. I guess massive current would be a bit too obvious
08:51:05 <Halcyon> Lightning?
08:51:06 <Halcyon> :P
08:51:12 <Halcyon> I've lost modems to storms before
08:51:17 <rust_collector> not that I think they would actually bothrt looking at the thing
08:52:13 <Halcyon> ISPs won't open them up, they go straight into the bin
08:52:22 <Halcyon> They are more or less a consumable item
08:52:35 <rust_collector> But yes, that is almost not a thing any more up here, with all the cables in the ground, and fiber for the networky things, it seems to be much safer then it used to be
08:52:52 <Halcyon> Damn fiber :P
08:53:11 <Halcyon> I guess power supplies can go faulty?
08:53:18 <rust_collector> I still wonder if I can use a modified laser pointer to send morse code to the isp
08:53:31 <Halcyon> bahaha
08:53:37 <steve30> Halcyon, I'm more of an indoor kitten
08:53:39 <rust_collector> sure, power supplies are probably a weak point
08:54:27 <Halcyon> The issue with shining light down the pipe is once it gets to the nearest line card or switch, it turns back to an electrical circuit
08:54:49 <Halcyon> Steve: Yes, cats belong indoors. They eat too many birds and lizards for my liking
08:55:17 <rust_collector> i just want a new box, because this one has been a bit flaky lately. dropping speeds to...not much. and as it is so old, my line is speed limited by it
08:55:32 <Halcyon> Can't you just ask for a new one based on that?
08:55:34 <rust_collector> and cats belong in africa
08:55:42 <Halcyon> If it's dropping out or not syncing properly
08:56:20 <rust_collector> yep, if it does it again. it has been working perfectly since they tested it the last time.....
08:56:53 <rust_collector> if it starts acting up again, they will send a new box.
08:57:14 <rust_collector> I just feel like it is time to make it act up
08:57:52 <steve30> Maybe sprinkle some of your rust into it?
08:58:16 <Halcyon> Overdrive the fibre LED so it stops working :P
08:58:24 <rust_collector> but then I would have to get behind the piano, and...
08:58:36 <rust_collector> that is like work
08:58:52 <Halcyon> Well quit your bitching :P No one said it was going to be simple
08:59:33 <rust_collector> sorry, I am too used to being employed. bitching is required most of the time
08:59:52 <Halcyon> I leave my bitchiness at work
08:59:57 <Halcyon> (Where it belongs)
09:00:40 <rust_collector> I think I am out of sync, as I had yesterday off. I hope you can forgive me
09:01:38 <Halcyon> I had Monday off last week instead of Friday
09:01:45 <Halcyon> On Thursday I kept thinking it was Wednesday
09:01:54 <rust_collector> good times
09:02:06 <Halcyon> It was even worse when I did shift work
09:02:11 <Halcyon> I had NFI
09:02:17 <rust_collector> I had to work on sunday.
09:02:28 <rust_collector> and yes, shift work is fun
09:03:34 <steve30> Halcyon, fetish-guy wants to see me next friday
09:03:42 <Halcyon> Oh yeh?
09:03:43 <Halcyon> :P
09:03:54 <Halcyon> You must have made a good impression
09:03:58 <Halcyon> (Probably literally)
09:04:48 <steve30> hehe
09:05:11 <rust_collector> lucky you, I don't think anyone wants to see me, lol
09:05:23 <Halcyon> Aw
09:05:59 <rust_collector> boohoo
09:07:29 <rust_collector> well, that is ok, lett to try to explain to the wife
09:07:32 <rust_collector> less
09:07:40 <Halcyon> Hah
09:18:43 <rust_collector> hmm, in japan, racing dodge vans is a thing. Why does evertyhing weird come from japan?
09:27:45 <Halcyon> *shrug*
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10:20:22 <steve30> Halcyon, do you have any suggestions for recovering video from old unreadable DVD-Rs?
10:20:35 <Halcyon> Hmmmm
10:21:15 <Halcyon> Pretty much all you can do is force a slow read using software, you'll obviously lose frames where the data is unreadable
10:21:45 <Halcyon> Is it because the discs are failing or are they scratched?
10:22:33 <steve30> Definitely the dye. I'm just playing a backup copy of one of the bad ones - the original won't play but isn't scratched. This backup copy is VERY scratched and is playing fine.
10:23:05 <Halcyon> With the scratched discs, you can try and polish them using a bit of toothpaste
10:23:20 <Halcyon> And perhaps a little water
10:23:28 <steve30> Another one I have a partial backup of on VHS; I copied the remaining video to VHS tape before the disc failed completely back in 2006, but I have some others that I don't have backups of and are completely unreadable
10:23:49 <Halcyon> Yeh with the dye failing, not much you can do about those with a normal DVD reader
10:24:11 <Halcyon> As I said, you can try a very slow read, but failing that, it's pretty much throw-away
10:24:33 <steve30> These are early 2000s DVD-Rs
10:25:03 <Halcyon> We used to archive data to DVD then BD discs at work
10:25:12 <Halcyon> Pretty much half of the 2005 ones have partially failed
10:25:16 <Halcyon> And this is using good quality discs
10:25:52 <steve30> All my DVDs from 2006 are still good. I must have bought a good batch. In fact, I still haven't finished the stack of DVD-Rs we bought back then :)
10:26:46 <Halcyon> Backing up data for long-term storage is difficult, even hard disks are unreliable
10:27:06 <Halcyon> Over many years, I still use tape for long-term
10:27:13 <Halcyon> I haven't found anything better
10:27:19 <steve30> In this case, its videos, so VHS is fairly good for longevity
10:27:26 <Halcyon> Yup
10:27:43 <Halcyon> The problem with conversion is you'll always have generational loss
10:28:31 <steve30> yeah
10:29:00 <steve30> These videos originated on MiniDV and were put onto DVD. So a VHS backup is adequate quality. Its not like it went VHS to VHS
10:29:26 <Halcyon> You don't have the original MiniDV tapes anymore?
10:30:31 <steve30> It was someone elses camcorder. I expect since he (and us) edited the videos on the computer and put the finished product onto DVD, he probably reused the DV tapes
10:30:42 <Halcyon> Ah right
10:31:59 <Halcyon> But yeh, try and make an image of the DVD, most decent programs allow you to lock the drive speed
10:33:18 <Halcyon> Then work on the image, you might need to do some work on the video to get rid of the corrupt bits, I use an older version of VideoReDo Suite for that, it does an excellent job on MPEG video without the need to re-encode (no quality lost).
10:33:25 <Halcyon> If you want, I can give you my serial to use
10:35:44 <steve30> I'll have to try and extract the data from the disks first
10:36:08 <Halcyon> If you're on Windows, I'd use something like PowerISO
10:36:26 <steve30> I'll look into that
10:37:14 <Halcyon> I can't remember if you can set the read speed as I don't use Windows anymore
10:39:21 <steve30> I've got Debian 9 on this machine and Win XP on the laptop
10:40:36 <rust_collector> there has to be some good programs for cd things in xp
10:41:31 <rust_collector> not sure, but I would think a laptop cd drive is less awesome than a desktop one...maybe?
10:42:05 <steve30> Don't know, but it seems to read most things reliably
10:58:48 <rust_collector> it is 3 in the morning. time for a nap. have fun
11:25:27 <Halcyon> Yeh try different drives, some read better than others, depends on the quality and age of the laser
11:26:28 <DHess_US> I have an old DVD-RAM drive that I use to recover discs.
11:26:45 <DHess_US> Also there are some utility programs designed specifically for recovering CDs and DVDs.
11:27:37 <DHess_US> ISOBUSTER is what I use.
12:35:19 <Halcyon> Ampera, you around?
12:35:23 <Ampera> No.
12:35:31 <Ampera> I'm actually quite thin.
12:35:35 <Halcyon> OK good, we can talk about you then
12:35:53 <Ampera> you can talk about me if I'm here or not idc
12:36:10 <Ampera> what do you want Halcyon
12:36:31 <Halcyon> You
12:36:39 <Ampera> what do you want with me
12:36:41 <Halcyon> Did you want to play this game I've been talking about?
12:36:51 <Ampera> what game have you been talking about
12:36:51 <Halcyon> I'm going to stream it off Mark's PC
12:36:56 <Halcyon> Jackbox games
12:37:21 <Ampera> Nope, looks tedious.
12:40:03 <Halcyon> It's fun, I promise
12:40:24 <Ampera> I'm a person to read a book by its cover.
12:40:36 <Ampera> I've seen some of those games before, and they looked annoying, and were always played by annoying people.
12:40:47 <Halcyon> Come onnnn
12:42:52 <Halcyon> DogWomble, go on Ampera's general voice chat
12:42:58 <Ampera> No.
12:43:08 <Halcyon> It's the only one Mark has access to dumbass
12:43:39 <Ampera> No, I said I don't want to play, you can use whatever chatroom you want
12:43:55 <Halcyon> You're shit
12:44:04 * steve30 sits on Halcyon's lap and purrs
12:45:04 <Ampera> sorry sir, would you like a refund?
12:45:28 <Halcyon> You're not worth the bottle refund
12:45:36 <Halcyon> Just throw you in the trash
12:45:50 <Ampera> fine by me, at least I'm not australian
12:49:26 <Halcyon> T3sl4, you up for a game?
12:49:44 <Halcyon> steve30 ?
12:50:30 <steve30> nah, i'm more in the mood for being petted :D
12:50:32 <T3sl4> so early? :P
12:51:01 <Halcyon> It's similar to CAH, but not. Just need Discord for game video/audio and a web browser
12:51:13 <Halcyon> Oh Steve :P
13:05:56 <DHess_US> I'm sorry, this physics problem starts with a perfectly spherical Ampera so he is around.
13:06:05 <Halcyon> :P
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15:15:55 <Halcyon> Mew
15:30:07 <steve30> meow
15:30:17 <steve30> I've just been out for a walk
15:32:36 <Halcyon> Where did you go?
15:33:15 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
15:33:21 <Ampera> just woke up
15:33:33 <Halcyon> You slept for a solid... hour?
15:34:05 <Ampera> a bit longer than that
15:34:08 <steve30> Just a couple of miles around wickersley and bramley
15:34:18 <Halcyon> You are so English Steve :)
15:35:57 <steve30> ooh, according to google maps, 3.5 miles
15:36:20 <Ampera> that's under a walk to my school and back.
15:37:07 <steve30> When I used to walk to school, it was just under a mile
15:37:16 <Halcyon> I masturbated and baked banana bread (not at the same time)
15:37:49 <Ampera> masturbation is a sin, you will go to hell
15:38:06 <T3sl4> you bananabated and baked penis bread
15:38:07 <Ampera> also ech, banana bread
15:38:51 <Halcyon> Hell doesn't exist so I'm find :)
15:38:54 <Halcyon> *fine
15:39:19 <Halcyon> Also masturbation is so much fun.
15:39:19 <Ampera> If hell doesn't exist, why am I in constant agonizing life torment every single day?
15:39:23 <Ampera> Prove me that, ATHIEST
15:39:29 <Halcyon> Because you're Ampera
15:39:38 <Ampera> That's racist, fuck you, bigot.
15:39:44 <Halcyon> Yeh well :P
15:39:52 * Halcyon cuddles Ampera
15:40:50 <Halcyon> Bahaha
15:40:51 <Halcyon> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Faggot/@55.5333325,-1.6087762,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x4880a9026729154d:0x3b688b26b66afb19!8m2!3d55.5333333!4d-1.6
15:40:59 <T3sl4> that's Amperist
15:41:43 <Halcyon> I wonder if it's pronounced Fagé
15:41:44 <steve30> I'm going to put some food on
15:41:49 * Ampera puts the food off
15:42:50 <T3sl4> you're off putting
15:42:57 * T3sl4 removes Ampera's pudding, too
15:43:07 <Halcyon> Ampera would love his "pudding" removed
15:43:49 <Ampera> I've never met a person who has committed suicide, but how much constant dreaming and wishing you'll die does it take to convince you to finally do it?
15:44:09 <Ampera> I wish I could say it's getting close, but I think that's just me wishing again.
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15:54:38 * steve30 places a convenient Suicide Booth in Ampera's vicinity.
15:54:50 <Ampera> \o/
15:55:46 <Halcyon> Don't commit suicide until I send you my package
15:55:55 <Halcyon> And I meant that in a non-sexual way
15:55:57 <Ampera> why does it contain an easy way out?
15:57:33 <Halcyon> I've said it before, but I hate this new The King of Random woman
15:57:39 <Halcyon> Is she someone's girlfriend or something?
15:57:45 <Halcyon> Because she adds nothing
15:57:52 <Ampera> sexist
15:58:13 <Halcyon> Honestly, her comments are dumb, she clearly doesn't understand science AT ALL
15:58:24 <Ampera> how big are her tits?
15:58:30 <Halcyon> I don't know?
15:58:37 <Ampera> what kind of man are you
15:58:43 <Halcyon> Homosexual
15:58:55 <Ampera> do you have eyes?
15:59:04 <Halcyon> Honestly, watch a video, all her lines are pointless
15:59:16 <Ampera> I believe you, but I asked you how big her tits are
15:59:22 <Ampera> link me something
15:59:27 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfj78Lt8HjQ
15:59:50 <Ampera> huh
15:59:53 <Ampera> not that big
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16:00:06 <Halcyon> So she isn't even good at boobs
16:00:22 <Halcyon> I reckon that guy's penis is bigger that her boobs
16:00:42 <Ampera> internal bleeding sort of big?
16:00:49 <Halcyon> Nah not quite
16:00:54 <Ampera> :(
16:00:54 <Halcyon> He doesn't appear to pack that much
16:04:35 <Halcyon> She isn't even that attractive
16:04:40 <Halcyon> Most of it's makeup I think
16:04:56 <Ampera> oh so /now/ you understand male->female attraction
16:04:58 <Ampera> faker
16:05:05 <Halcyon> I'm learning
16:05:13 <Halcyon> Nate can do so much better
16:05:15 <Ampera> you can't learn how it works
16:05:24 <Halcyon> You can learn anything
16:05:59 <Ampera> then why can't I learn how to stop feeling pain
16:06:13 <Halcyon> You aren't trying hard enough
16:06:28 <Halcyon> Hmmm I'd do Nate
16:06:36 <Halcyon> I just wish he shaved that stupid beard
16:07:14 <Ampera> dude, we get it, you're a fag, chill
16:07:28 <Halcyon> Don't suppress me homophobe
16:07:50 <Ampera> I want to do more than suppress you, you should be zapped straight.
16:08:04 <Ampera> they should fry you so hard you fucking vomit the moment you see another man.
16:08:07 <Halcyon> <Ampera> I want to do more than suppress you
16:08:10 <Halcyon> I like the sound of that
16:08:28 <Ampera> you know what I'm into, you'd never keep up.
16:08:34 <Halcyon> Probably not
16:08:43 <Ampera> even steve30 isn't as kinked as I am.
16:08:49 * Halcyon tweaks Steve's nipple
16:09:02 <Halcyon> Nah. he is regular kink
16:09:08 <Halcyon> I'm one step below that
16:09:21 <steve30> i think my nipples have recovered now :)
16:09:33 <Halcyon> About time, you need to use them on Friday :P
16:10:12 <Ampera> On that scale I'm about five steps above that.
16:10:55 <Halcyon> I think I would prefer Steve's penis/ass to yours
16:11:15 <Ampera> I'd say some smart bullshit that I don't even want my penis, but it's too fucking painful to even go on about anymore
16:11:29 <Ampera> college starts on the third, I've done nothing, this is fucking bullshit
16:11:30 <Halcyon> I mean I guess I could pull your hair?
16:11:58 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: #Tesla , the Aussie touring car of choice! (FYI, for scale, Australia is the same size as North America) https://t.co/mmaIVFnxWG
16:12:11 <Ampera> I'm going absolutely nowhere with dealing with my problem and the timeline I wanted to transition in is pretty much gone.
16:12:12 <Halcyon> I reckon you like the abuse Ampera where as Steve just likes to be spanked
16:12:22 <Halcyon> There is always time
16:12:43 <Halcyon> Have you spoken to Fran Blanche?
16:12:52 <Ampera> No, why would I
16:13:02 <Ampera> I think some of the worst discussions I've ever had on my issue has been with other trans people.
16:13:04 <Halcyon> Um, because she's done it
16:13:27 <Halcyon> She seems normal though?
16:13:49 <steve30> There were a lot of transgender people at the LGBT community group I used to go to. On some occasions, as a gay, I felt a bit out of place.
16:13:50 <Ampera> Even if they don't try to do retarded shit like push me into it or tell me how I have "internalized transphobia", they'll all give me the same bullshit
16:14:06 <Ampera> steve30, because they're the most vicious and most horrific people in those groups.
16:14:06 <Halcyon> "a gay"
16:14:06 <Halcyon> ROFL
16:14:23 <Ampera> They're there because gay people don't tend to want to join groups because they're gay.
16:14:43 <Ampera> I'm bisexual, and as far as I'm concerned that's probably the least problematic thing about me.
16:14:57 <steve30> Actually the transgender folks were all quite nice, normal people.
16:15:05 <Halcyon> I wonder why Electronics/Engineering type communities are so full of "different" people
16:15:18 <Halcyon> Whether it be the gays, trans, spergy etc...
16:15:26 <Ampera> they'll give me the same bullshit, go to some happy dappy fucking therapist and have /him/ tell you how to do it.
16:15:34 <Ampera> Halcyon, I'd wager it's not, you just notice those people more.
16:15:45 <Halcyon> But you would notice them more in any industry
16:15:52 <Halcyon> It just seems there are more in this industry
16:15:53 <steve30> Halcyon, one of the other guys I was speaking to on a fetish site a while back said that engineers and doctors tend to be more 'kinky'
16:16:09 <Halcyon> I am not kinky at all
16:16:14 <Halcyon> Honestly, I'm the most boring gay
16:16:28 <Ampera> you literally work as gay PR for the police, try again.
16:16:40 <Halcyon> I'm not even talking about the cops
16:16:47 <Halcyon> I'm talking about highly technical trades
16:16:58 <Ampera> When I go talk to trans people right now, they expect me to be some newcommer to the situation, and just give me some basic shit I've been studying for years.
16:17:05 <Halcyon> Full of highly intelligent people
16:17:17 <Ampera> It's not information I need, that doesn't help me. The problem is I have no idea how to improve this situation because I am 100% deadlocked on it.
16:17:38 <Halcyon> Talk to trans outside America? They might have a different perspective
16:17:52 <Ampera> I have, many people, they're all fairly similar.
16:18:06 <Halcyon> Well, we still love you Ampera
16:18:40 <Halcyon> Especially T3sl4, I reckon he would be gay for pay
16:18:50 <Ampera> My issue is trying to dedicate myself one way or the other. It's something that takes an incredible amount if energy to push yourself into.
16:19:00 <Ampera> You can't just /decide/ one day and have it stick.
16:19:06 <Halcyon> Of course not
16:19:12 <Halcyon> But you're still young Ampera, there is no "cut off"
16:19:13 <Ampera> and there is pretty much zero reason to do it besides my own feelings.
16:19:21 <Halcyon> It's not as if you need to decide when you're 21
16:19:40 <Ampera> I don't want to seesaw my whole life. I have set a hard limit, if I do nothing by the time I turn 25, then I do nothing until I die.
16:20:11 <Halcyon> 7 years is a long time to work things out about yourself
16:20:13 <Ampera> It basically gives me until the end of my higher education to make a decision, but I don't think I'll end up being able to make it.
16:21:14 <Ampera> I don't even want to make it later, because that means for every single one of those years I have to suffer through my state of purgatory
16:21:54 <Ampera> I just have to look at people, starting to get to the point where it doesn't matter much who, and it immediately starts to hurt.
16:23:40 <Halcyon> I want to hug you
16:24:54 <Ampera> I, for my entire life, have operated under the ability to create solutions to problems. It's how my mind works, and it's basically the concept of engineering. This is the first time I have encountered a life problem that has serious implications that I cannot derive a solution to.
16:25:23 <Ampera> In more ways than simply physically, mistakes could be entirely fatal or make the situation worse, and I cannot use logic to make those decisions.
16:30:16 <Ampera> Like, look at this shit: https://twitter.com/ThunderSqueakAK/status/1162972659753181184
16:30:38 <Ampera> ThunderSqueak just now has to spend 40 grand on medical shit, and afaik this is /one/ surgery.
16:30:53 <Ampera> I won't say what, but in the grand scheme of things not a particularly major one either.
16:31:18 <Ampera> I'm effectively asking myself to go get modified extensively just so I can make this bad feeling go away.
16:31:30 <Ampera> and it's pissing me the fuck off.
16:32:06 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: EEVblog #1238 – Vion: The World’s Worst Multimeter! https://t.co/27igPBkCyA
16:33:38 <Halcyon> I honestly don't know how I can help :(
16:33:42 <Halcyon> Which makes me sad
16:34:34 <Ampera> It makes me want to fucking crack skulls too, since this shit just gets fucking preyed on by a good chunk of the medical professionals geared to "help" people on this.
16:34:41 <steve30> Medical expenses can be a lot, but $40000 sounds ridiculous
16:34:54 <Ampera> People turn it political, they try to harass others who disagree with them, they make factions and gatekeep like nuts.
16:34:59 <Halcyon> Fark that
16:35:03 <Ampera> I see it every fucking day, and so few people care about it.
16:35:24 <steve30> I'm up to about £600 in medical expenses so far this year
16:35:38 <Ampera> Nobody even tries to understand it, it's like USSR state media, nothing negative ever gets allowed to be shown to the public.
16:35:56 <Ampera> All research, what little there is, has to show nothing but sunshine and rainbows for the entire fucking ordeal.
16:36:22 <Ampera> Oh, and above all else, if someone decides that they've been conned, they've been mistaken, and they need to go back? They're some of the most harassed and abused people of all.
16:36:46 <Ampera> Literally, if they go public to talk about it, they will get phone calls, and people showing up at their door for months.
16:38:27 <Ampera> So if I decide to transition I can expect no help, no safety, nobody trying to tell me about the dangers, besides how to not outright die while trying to get there.
16:38:43 <Ampera> There's a reason you never see a trans person tell someone else to not do it.
16:39:57 <Halcyon> Have you considered it's not right for you?
16:40:03 <Ampera> All the fucking time.
16:40:23 <Ampera> You might not get how I can want to do something I don't want to do.
16:40:50 <Ampera> It's more than just bipolar, I frequently absolutely hate the concept and the idea and just want it to go the fuck away and leave me alone.
16:41:15 <Ampera> Then I'll go in absolute reverse, and when I do it fucking burns. I've discovered it's literally the only way I can experience sexual attraction.
16:41:42 <Ampera> That's why I can't masturbate, and my porn habits are really weird, because when I don't place myself into that mental position, I can't get anything, ever.
16:43:25 <Halcyon> I honestly wish we lived closer
16:43:42 <Ampera> Yeah but then I'd have to deal with something even worse than this.
16:43:51 <Halcyon> An Australian?
16:44:00 <Ampera> Not being allowed to carry a swiss army knife in public for no reason.
16:44:11 <Halcyon> I didn't say you had to live here dickhead
16:44:19 <Halcyon> I'd love to buy an island one day
16:44:38 <Ampera> Get one down in Florida, you can get fucking flattened every hurricane season.
16:44:44 <steve30> Would I be able to come and visit? :p
16:44:45 <Halcyon> Pass
16:44:51 <Halcyon> I'd buy one off the coast of AU
16:44:54 <Halcyon> Sure
16:45:09 <Halcyon> Islands (by comparison) aren't super expensive
16:45:11 <Ampera> I think you'd actually like it in the US. We might not be as creepily structured and restrictive as the land downy soft, but because we let people do more of whatever, we got some cool shit.
16:45:13 <Halcyon> Just need to build on them
16:45:21 <Ampera> Like being able to just fucking own a pile of guns, and if you have land, go out and just use them.
16:45:32 <Halcyon> Yeh but I dont give a shit about guns
16:45:38 <Halcyon> I don't even want my work gun
16:45:54 <Ampera> m9, the only reason I have a BB gun is because I can't have a firearm.
16:46:19 <Ampera> It's part of the reason I'm thinking about moving to Texas after school.
16:46:30 <Halcyon> :)
16:47:14 <Ampera> You can straight up buy old guns from the military.
16:47:27 <Ampera> it's awesome.
16:47:28 <Halcyon> Meh, again, guns
16:47:30 <Halcyon> I don't care
16:47:36 <Halcyon> Might as well be talking about knitting
16:47:41 <Halcyon> Or sports
16:48:23 <Ampera> We put sugar in our supermarket bread.
16:48:29 <Ampera> Some of them even taste like cake.
16:48:38 <Halcyon> Same as here
16:48:41 <Ampera> Imagine just buying a huge fucking bag of cake for a few bucks
16:48:42 <Ampera> oh
16:48:42 <Halcyon> White bread is shit
16:48:46 <Ampera> no, I mean most breads
16:48:48 <Ampera> even rye breads
16:48:51 <Halcyon> Ew
16:48:56 <Halcyon> I like sourdough
16:49:04 <Ampera> potato and oatmeal are usually the sweetest, and I love those.
16:49:08 <Halcyon> The bacteria consumes the sugar
16:49:10 <Ampera> We also have real bread too, which doesn't have sugar.
16:49:13 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: People keep crapping on about browser Ad Blockers. Pro Tip: The human brain has this little known ability to ignore things. Try it.
16:49:59 <Ampera> thank you dave, I'll totally be content with ignoring the flashing porn ad playing audio screaming at me and blasting my ears out while I just want to download some program.
16:51:21 <steve30> I put a teaspoon of sugar in my bread mixture
16:52:03 <Halcyon> ROFL: https://youtu.be/6QB0OinQkgA?t=785
16:52:11 <Halcyon> I love how it's so sexist
16:52:23 <Ampera> haven't seen it yet, don't want it spoiled.
16:53:09 <Halcyon> "The direct line between you and your secretary includes two-way intercom. SHE'LL have access through your keyboard and screen..."
16:53:20 <Ampera> what the fuck did I just say
16:53:38 <Ampera> going to watch it now because you can't leave shit alone, be back in like 10 minutes.
16:54:21 <steve30> In practice, secretaries usually are female
16:55:07 <Halcyon> Video goes for 20 mins
16:55:08 <Halcyon> :P
16:58:53 * steve30 cuddles Halcyon
16:59:01 <Halcyon> Aww
16:59:05 <Halcyon> *cuddles*
16:59:58 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pHf4Ibi1KY
17:00:01 <Halcyon> Aw cute
17:13:05 * Ampera launches a surface to surface missile at Halcyon
17:17:26 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/2LJ0Yd0.gif
17:35:41 <steve30> I'm surprised how much old camcorders are selling for on ebay
17:59:16 <Ampera> steve30, me too, I wanted a HD miniDV corder, but they're so expensive
18:23:13 <Halcyon> I have 2 Sharp cameras
18:23:22 <Ampera> Lucky. All of mine are dull.
18:23:25 <Halcyon> One is MiniDV, the other is Hi-8
18:23:33 <Halcyon> The Hi-8 one has an optional TV tuner
18:23:38 <Ampera> I have a MiniDV corder, but I want an HD one
18:23:53 <Ampera> Halcyon, https://voice.google.com/u/0/a/i/c0476be497d24ec8d910c444602af3315d7393e3-1?s=1
18:24:09 <Halcyon> The requested URL was not found on this server. That’s all we know.
18:24:13 <Halcyon> Good stuff :P
18:24:43 <Ampera> Halcyon, https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/612562480052437003/c0476be497d24ec8d910c444602af3315d7393e3-1.png
18:25:04 <Halcyon> Cat's don't belong on the bed!
18:25:06 <Halcyon> Scat!
18:25:08 <Halcyon> :P
18:25:10 <steve30> Meow :)
18:26:28 <Halcyon> You're welcome in my bed any day Steve :P
18:26:44 * Halcyon spanks Steve firmly but playfully on the buttock
18:27:01 <Ampera> you're both fucking stupid
18:27:14 <Halcyon> *smirk*
18:28:09 <steve30> hehe
18:28:32 * steve30 curls up on Halcyon's bed and purrs
18:28:57 <Halcyon> Stupid cat
18:29:05 <Halcyon> Do you have a cat costume Steve?
18:29:14 <Halcyon> For your furry cosplay nonsense?
18:29:18 <steve30> nope
18:29:40 <Ampera> There is not a subset of people on this earth I dislike more than furries.
18:29:43 <Ampera> I hate them even more than iberians.
18:30:02 * steve30 just pretends to be a cat on IRC
18:31:49 <Halcyon> Does that mean Ampera pretends to be an asshole on IRC?
18:31:50 <Halcyon> :P
18:32:22 <Ampera> We may never know, because that would rely on an external set of mannerisms to compare with. Since I know and talk to nobody, nobody knows.
19:03:21 <damian> weee
19:13:13 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: The disgraceful @maccas @McDonalds at Bella Vista. On the top of a hill in an otherwise dark surrounding environment, it is a blinding monstrosity. It's even brighter than the camera shows. Open till midnight, with 24hr planned. https://t.co/LzmJ4jlnRN @thehillscouncil Approved! https://t.co/MH7lvWuBqS
19:36:57 <Halcyon> damian, Ampera, game of Quiplash?
20:30:59 <damian> what's a quiplash
20:52:55 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Interesting that @patreon have just teamed up with @vimeo instead of @youtube for video integration. Practically all of Patreon video creators use Youtube instead of Vimeo...
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21:35:47 <coppice> Patreon teaming with vimeo sounds sensible. It might give vimeo a kick and make it offer youtube at least a little competition.
22:14:30 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: It's kinda amusingly ironic when a Youtube Lawyer's channel drops off a cliff because of The Algorithm https://t.co/lNvjYQgwMa
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