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01:25:00 <Jeffrey> evening/morning everyone.
01:36:29 <K> yes.
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01:40:42 <K> was it somethinh i said?
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06:53:29 * T3sl4 chases steve30 around the room with a feather on a string
06:54:02 * steve30 paws the feather
06:57:12 * steve30 tickles T3sl4 with the feather :)
06:57:21 * T3sl4 meows!
17:51:57 * Ampera sprinkles smoked salt at DogWomble_
17:52:03 <DogWomble_> are you planning on cooking me?
17:52:03 <Ampera> o.o
17:52:03 <steve30> Is womblemeat tasty?
17:52:03 <DogWomble_> it depends,it does contain a lot of fat
17:52:26 <Halcyon> Same as before Ampera :)
17:52:39 <Halcyon> Hey Timmeh
17:52:46 <Ampera> Halcyon, just checking
17:52:50 <Ampera> I don't have anything else to do
17:53:18 <Halcyon> I'm just downloading more torrents
17:53:52 <Ampera> you see that's illegal
17:54:05 <steve30> Halcyon, where have you been this last couple of days?
17:54:11 <Halcyon> Not in Australia
17:54:19 <Halcyon> I was in Canberra
17:54:28 <Ampera> but I'm not in Australia
17:54:43 <Halcyon> Sucks to be you
17:54:44 <damian> but you could be
17:54:47 <damian> i have a spare room
17:55:14 <damian> have things changed on piracy in the last few days Halcyon?
17:55:16 <Halcyon> The Dallas Buyers Club lawsuits were a great example of how the law doesn't give a shit
17:55:27 <Halcyon> Not as far as I know.
17:55:41 <Halcyon> One day they will make downloading copyrighted content illegal, and until that happens, I'll keep doing it
17:55:41 <Ampera> Halcyon, not that you'd know much about it, but what's the visitor between an eVisitor and ETA visa?
17:55:43 <damian> oh, i mistook steve for you
17:55:49 <Halcyon> No fucking idea
17:56:02 <Halcyon> I don't even have a passport so I don't know about any of that stuff
17:56:05 <damian> Ampera, into Australia or USA?
17:56:21 <Ampera> * visitor -> difference
17:56:36 <Ampera> damian, for visitation to Australia
17:56:40 <Ampera> they look incredibly similar.
17:57:26 <damian> i may be wrong about this, but an ETA VISA is a standard VISA, just does it by the electronic system (which pretty much all countries do now)
17:57:48 <damian> an eVisitor pass is the allowance for a lot of internationals to come into australia easier, so they can be treated better by customs
17:58:05 <damian> by better, i mean they dont have to go through the standard import haffuf, they can just check in like aussies do
17:58:21 <Halcyon> I guess to be an eVisitor though, you need to go through more checks and such ?
17:58:25 <Ampera> Ah, so with an eVisitor I'm not subject to customs?
17:58:26 <damian> i asked about USA or Australia because i wasn't entirely sure if you meant an ESTA
17:58:39 <damian> the fucking stupidly rediculous system USA has to get into the fucking country
17:58:40 <Ampera> no I meant an ETA Visa
17:59:20 <Ampera> It's annoying that I need a Visa at all
17:59:24 <damian> i think with evisitor you can use the quick get through line instead of the wait in big line / get your shit checked / have to be double checked by a human
17:59:33 <damian> tell me about it
17:59:39 <damian> that's why the USA ESTA is fucking stupid
17:59:55 <Ampera> alright well I'll get the eVisitor thing when I come
17:59:56 <damian> i go to every fucking country in Asia and i can get a Visa on entry
18:00:10 <damian> i go to USA and i have to apply for a visa 'at least three days prior' even though i'm from a connected country
18:00:21 <Ampera> same for me to Australia
18:00:32 <Ampera> but afaik you don't need to do that if you do EU to US
18:00:44 <damian> the stupid thing about the USA is that the ESTA isn't listed as a VISA .. because it's not a fucking visa!
18:01:39 <damian> sorry, i'm just hugely pissed off because of it :P
18:02:03 <damian> i did research before i travelled, made sure i had visas for all of the countries i was visiting, and because that isn't actually a visa it didn't come up at all
18:02:20 <damian> then we try to get on a plane to go to the USA and they go 'uh no, you need an ESTA', we're like what the hell is an ESTA
18:02:38 <Halcyon> Bloody American's just want to be different :P
18:02:45 <damian> 20 gruelling minutes of sign up later, to which we almost missed our plane, we had an ESTA application going and they let us on the plane
18:02:47 <damian> this was in Colombia
18:02:58 <Ampera> damian, does this have to be done once?
18:03:02 <Ampera> or whenever you enter the US
18:03:15 <damian> we stopped in el salvador for a quick layover, and they wouldn't let us on the plane because our ESTA's werent in the system yet
18:03:31 <Ampera> brb getting liquids
18:03:32 <damian> luckily during the five hour flight we'd already been approved and on our phones it was showing authorised, so we got in
18:03:39 <damian> but i mean if it was an overnight flight i reckon we'd have been fucked
18:03:47 <damian> i think it lasts for seven years or something
18:03:51 <Ampera> it's better than Australia's system
18:03:57 <Ampera> way better by the sound of it
18:04:06 <damian> tbh i didn't read all of the text, i just filled in everything i had to as quickly as i possibly could
18:04:12 <Ampera> to visit Australia I need to apply in advance for an eVisitor or ETA, which allows 90 day visits for one year
18:04:31 <damian> yeah, but they come up as a standard visa
18:04:33 <Ampera> so if I were in your position, but to Australia, I would have never been let on the plane.
18:04:35 <Halcyon> Why *wouldn't* you apply in advance?
18:04:39 <damian> like you search for visa and it would come up
18:04:48 <Halcyon> You don't just hop on a plane and hope you get let out at the other end
18:04:50 <Ampera> Halcyon, because it would be nice to just get your passport checked and step on a plane.
18:04:51 <damian> waiting times aren't an issue if you know about htem
18:05:14 <Ampera> Halcyon, I can do that to every single EU and EEZ nation, as well as Canada
18:05:25 <Halcyon> *shrug*
18:05:31 <Halcyon> Like I said, I don't have a passport
18:05:39 <Ampera> I have two.
18:05:41 <Ampera> sort of
18:05:41 <damian> yeah, a lot of countries have on arrival visas you just pay a quick fee for
18:05:46 <Ampera> both a probably long expired.
18:05:52 <damian> i think Australia is trying to take after USA and be fuck knuckles
18:05:58 <Halcyon> If I ever need to travel overseas, I get an official passport
18:06:01 <damian> where's your second one from Ampera?
18:06:36 <Ampera> the 2nd/3rd most powerful passport in the world behind Japan, South Korea, and Singapore. Germany.
18:06:51 <Halcyon> 'Straya
18:06:53 <damian> which is
18:07:02 <Ampera> damian, look at the end of what I just posted
18:07:16 <damian> oh, i gave up after i saw a list of countries :P
18:07:22 <Ampera> oh thanks
18:07:40 <damian> lets see what Google has to say about this
18:07:49 <Ampera> because I am an official kraut, so that makes living in and visiting other countries incredibly easy
18:07:56 <Ampera> brb, getting liquids
18:08:29 <damian> not bad
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18:08:54 Set By: (lego.jp.austnet.org) on: Sun Mar 17 01:18:37 2019
18:08:54 <Halcyon> I couldn't bare to watch that shit
18:08:54 <Stiff> I normally hate it shaky screen terrible sound
18:08:54 <Stiff> but im itching to watch it
18:08:54 <Stiff> and cbf going to the flicks with other people
18:08:54 <Halcyon> Yeh, people are shit
18:08:54 <Stiff> i did notice you have to go through a proxy to load the piratebay site these days
18:08:54 <Halcyon> Some ISPs block it
18:08:54 <Halcyon> Mine doesn't seem to
18:08:54 <Halcyon> I just use a private tracker these days
18:08:54 <Halcyon> It has much more available on it than TPB
18:08:54 <Stiff> like through a vpn?
18:08:54 <Halcyon> Well I do use a VPN as well
18:08:54 <Halcyon> You have to have an account to search/view/download/upload
18:08:54 <Halcyon> iptorrents.com is the one I use
18:08:54 <Stiff> well im going to try one torrent if its no good ill suck it up and pay $16 for the cinema lol
18:08:54 <DHess_US> People did that even pre-internet. I know someone who videotaped Gremlins. He went to a drive in theater and setup his VHS camera on a stand in the parking slot beside his.
18:08:54 <DHess_US> At the time, home video cameras were so rare that nobody thought to stop him.
18:08:54 <DHess_US> Some cam recordings are pretty good.
18:08:54 <DHess_US> I knew people who knew the projectionist and would setup a camera in the projectionist booth and tap directly into the sound system.
18:08:54 <DHess_US> I think that stopped once they started marking the films to track down where leaks came from.
18:08:54 <DHess_US> Even before it was common, there were problems with people pirating directly from the film negatives. For films which were expected to be super popular, the transport reels would be delivered just the day before by courier. Terminator 2 comes to mind.
18:08:54 <DHess_US> That ended with digital distribution.
18:08:54 <Halcyon> I guess people could still copy masters from TV stations and streaming providers?
18:08:54 <DHess_US> Everything is digital now so except for films released only in theaters first, there is no reason to.
18:08:54 <DHess_US> Sometimes there is a leak or hack before general release.
18:08:55 <DHess_US> DVD screeners used to be a major source.
18:08:55 <Halcyon> I guess there isn't much point. People can just wait a day or two
18:08:55 <Halcyon> When Lunatics was released on Netflix on 19th April, all the episodes were on IP Torrents the following day.
18:08:55 <Stiff> thats why theres no blockbusters or video-ezys around anymore
18:08:55 <DHess_US> Well done, https://youtu.be/myL2ZXEsibE?t=683
18:08:55 <!Mario> Hi
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18:08:55 <Halcyon> Stiff: Pretty much
18:08:55 <steve30> hi
18:08:55 <steve30> We're going out to the fish and chip restaurant tonight
18:08:55 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
18:08:55 <Stiff> good for you steve30
18:08:55 <Stiff> get the flake?
18:08:55 <Ampera> if an ISP were to block service in Australia, they'd have to supply service to begin with
18:08:55 <Ampera> I don't really see a problem, nobody there can run faster than a 2004 US DSL connection
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18:08:59 <damian> you're right, second behing JP/SK/SG
18:09:14 <Halcyon> I think I can apply for Finnish citizenship
18:09:15 <Halcyon> But meh
18:09:16 <damian> wouldn't it be nice to be in a country surrounded directly by other countries
18:09:37 <damian> i don't think you can apply for citizenship anywhere unless you live there
18:09:53 <Halcyon> You can be a dual citizen
18:10:14 <damian> yeah, but that's applying for citizenship in a country you're currently in and sharing it with one you've come from
18:10:27 <Halcyon> Maybe I'm getting my terminology wrong? But there was something about being able to travel to EU countries
18:10:49 <damian> you can probably get a passport from finland, if you have heritage there
18:10:55 <Halcyon> *nod*
18:11:02 <damian> yeah, that's a pretty neat thing to have
18:11:17 <Halcyon> Both my parents are Finnish and most of my family live there
18:11:30 <damian> i was applying for my UK passport, because my dad was born in England, but it turns out AU/EK have pretty much the same entry, except i can stay longer in certain places
18:11:35 <damian> ah nice
18:11:54 <damian> Liz can apply for Italian passport, because both of her grandparents were born there
18:11:58 <Ampera> Halcyon, that would likely entitle you to dual Finish citizenship
18:12:11 <damian> i think with Italy if you have one parent, you can apply, if you have two grandparents you can apply
18:12:14 <Halcyon> Yeh something like that, I haven't really looked into it
18:12:32 <Halcyon> I don't even have a current AU passport.
18:12:52 <Ampera> I think my US passport is expired, and my German Passport is a child's passport
18:12:56 <damian> you haven't been out of the country?
18:12:57 <Ampera> which doesn't even have a picture in it
18:13:03 <damian> or just when you do, the government does the paperwork for you
18:13:16 <Halcyon> Both, but I'm entitled to an official passport
18:13:41 <damian> hmm
18:13:48 <damian> you might already be a finnish citizen Halcyon
18:13:51 <Ampera> Halcyon, damn right you're entitled :P
18:14:02 <damian> apparently if both of your parents are born in finland, you should be a citizen
18:14:08 <Halcyon> *shrug*
18:14:11 <damian> what's an 'official passport' ?
18:14:20 <Halcyon> Passports for Government employees
18:14:29 <damian> ahh, neat
18:14:29 <Halcyon> It's just a different colour
18:14:34 <damian> can i have one plz
18:14:42 <Halcyon> Sure, here, have 2
18:14:46 <damian> you lie
18:14:49 <damian> plz dont lie
18:14:57 <Halcyon> :P
18:15:03 <Ampera> Halcyon, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_sanguinis
18:15:23 <Ampera> Specifically under Finland.
18:15:32 <Ampera> My single German parent entitles me to German citizenship.
18:15:37 <Ampera> which is vernice
18:16:05 <Ampera> so when I go to the land down upside I'll do it on my German passport
18:16:07 <Ampera> which I need to get
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18:16:53 <Ampera> I plan to do it when I turn 18, in order to have documents confirming that I am indeed a German citizen and can prove it. Also because I just like the idea of two passports.
18:17:17 <Halcyon> It doesn't matter anyway Ampera, the Earth is flat :P
18:17:30 <Halcyon> Everything is the right way up
18:18:04 <Ampera> I have no clue when I will end up going to Australia, I have some slightly more urgent and easier trips to take before then, but those are also cheaper and don't take as much time
18:18:09 <Ampera> basically when I am 18, have time, and have money.
18:21:03 <Halcyon> \o/
18:21:30 <Halcyon> Bring T3sl4 with you, he'd be a hoot
18:21:32 <Ampera> watch out Halcyon, I'm coming, and I'm gonna be gayer than I am now when I get there.
18:22:03 <Ampera> Might not actually be a terrible idea, could be good to have someone come along with me across the world like that, but only if he'd want to. We'd have to coordinate shit, and we don't live anywhere near each other.
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18:28:15 <damian> ahh travelling, it's so much fun
18:30:07 <Ampera> man having a second computer/server is so awesome
18:31:04 <damian> second?
18:31:07 <damian> why?
18:31:40 <Ampera> I can do things like offload all of the daemons I would otherwise run onto something else, so if I need to reboot my PC it doesn't disrupt a load of services
18:31:47 <Ampera> EEVBlog runs on my server
18:32:00 <Ampera> so does my ZNC
18:45:52 <Bluenote> Tried some simulation software to make life a little easier as I learn, figuring it'd save me time compared to futzing about with hardware.
18:46:27 <Bluenote> Spent the last couple hours trying to figure out why the hell it's giving such screwy results...like showing 500MOhm resistance across a 10k pot.
18:47:14 <Bluenote> Such a good use of my time so far.
18:49:00 <K> what software/what problem?
18:49:32 <Bluenote> NI Multisim 14.1
18:50:04 <Bluenote> As for what the problem is...I dunno. It's just doing screwy stuff like showing 500M across a 10k pot in a very basic circuit.
18:51:30 <Bluenote> I mean, it's a 10k pot. It should be 10k.
18:51:46 <K> huh, not familiar with multisim
18:51:56 <Bluenote> Got a student discount on it.
18:52:02 <K> w
18:52:08 <Bluenote> Got to say, I'm not really impressed so far.
18:52:37 <K> and it is not immediately celar to me what you mean with "500MOhm across a 10KOhm pot"
18:55:00 <Bluenote> I mean as part of trying to figure out why I was getting such screwy-looking results, I measured the resistance from one terminal to the other (as in measuring the resistance of the carbon track or whatever it would be), leaving the wiper out of it.
18:55:22 <Bluenote> Should be 10k, since that's what the potentiometer is spec'd for.
18:55:30 <Bluenote> Got 500M
18:59:08 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
18:59:21 <Ampera> Eyyy! Halcyon!
18:59:24 <Ampera> how do
18:59:24 <Halcyon> Heya
18:59:31 <Halcyon> And yes, to answer your question, NBN sucks.
18:59:43 <Halcyon> I'm so close to pulling the trigger and going completely LTE
18:59:47 <Halcyon> It's so much faster
18:59:49 <Ampera> it wasn't a question it was a statement
19:00:05 <Halcyon> True
19:00:11 <Ampera> Over here the big telecomms struggle is TV, at least for us
19:00:22 <Ampera> because YouTube TV just went up 10 bucks a month, and their service is just really expensive
19:00:22 <K> hmm
19:00:23 <Halcyon> TV? What's that?
19:00:26 <Ampera> lol
19:00:41 <Halcyon> I don't think I've watched TV for over 15 years
19:00:42 <Ampera> I watch one channel for one show once a week, and it's a channel I can maybe get over FTA
19:01:07 <Halcyon> I think it's cute that builders still include a coax socket in homes :P
19:01:23 <Halcyon> Mine terminates to nothing in the roof
19:01:30 <Ampera> Halcyon, at the very least you can do your own MoCA or DOCSIS setup
19:01:36 <Ampera> coax ethernet
19:01:44 <Halcyon> That's old school
19:01:53 <Ampera> no, that's how most of the US gets their internet
19:01:59 <Halcyon> ^^
19:02:17 <Ampera> and if you have a house where you don't really have the want to run ethernet, especially through walls, coax might not be a bad idea.
19:02:25 <Halcyon> Cable is legacy here. It's all getting cut off, along with POTS, ISDN and ADSL
19:02:49 <Halcyon> Internally, sure. But where there is coax, you can rip it out and replace it with Cat 6
19:02:52 <Ampera> that's cute, it's FttN that's legacy here, DSL of any form is almost gone
19:03:05 <Ampera> Halcyon, I just don't want to be the guy who has to run that shit
19:03:14 <Halcyon> It takes literally a minute or two
19:03:22 <Ampera> yeah no
19:03:24 <Halcyon> Duct tape Cat 6 to Coax and pull
19:03:33 <Ampera> it took more than a minute to do that with our main WAN feed
19:03:41 <Halcyon> You're a WAN Feed
19:03:43 <Halcyon> :P
19:03:45 <Ampera> since we got near gigabit service, MoCA really wasn't cutting it
19:04:03 <Halcyon> But yes, wireless all the way, even if I had FTTP, it would be capped at 100Mbps down
19:04:06 <Halcyon> Which is bullshit
19:04:06 <Ampera> it also instantly solved every single network instability problem we ever had.
19:04:19 <Halcyon> I get more than that on LTE with 1/5 bars reception
19:04:58 <Halcyon> Our cell towers have more bandwidth than a CVC for many many suburbs
19:05:19 <Ampera> Anyways, what I'm gonna suggest is potentially getting a cable deal with either Verizon or Spectrum (formerly TWC), for either just basic cable, or a package deal and we look into renting TV cards.
19:05:45 <Ampera> My dad mentioned the TWC cable feed going into our basement might just be live with basic channels anyways, so we should look into that.
19:05:50 <Halcyon> I think the day of TV, most people went Satellite here, even in Cabled areas.
19:05:58 <Halcyon> But these days, most people don't use it
19:06:08 <Ampera> TV is still big in the US, but it's all satellite.
19:06:09 <Halcyon> Even our FTA channels are on the internet
19:06:20 <Ampera> You should see the houses around here, you can walk down a street and basically every house has a dish on it.
19:06:26 <Halcyon> Yep, same here
19:06:30 <Halcyon> But nothing is connected anymore
19:06:38 <Halcyon> It's so friggin expensive for almost no content
19:06:39 <Ampera> oh it's all connected, the US loves its TV
19:07:00 <Ampera> It's going down in popularity as cutting the cable/sat and alternate media forms get popular (like YouTube), but every bar in the country has TV
19:07:04 <Halcyon> I had Sat TV for about a year many years ago and it was all just repeats 3 times a day
19:07:24 <Ampera> I mean I have a TV with antenna next to me, and I can get a little bit of content.
19:07:37 <Ampera> It does amaze me how nice of a picture I can get with just a generic antenna like that, though
19:07:39 <Halcyon> The only thing TV is good for here now is live news
19:07:46 <Halcyon> The 24 hour news channels are OK
19:07:57 <Halcyon> The rest is just garbage
19:07:58 <Ampera> My plan, however, would be to get something like a 4 tuner TV card, and have network streams to the rest of the house.
19:08:13 <Halcyon> I have a dual network tuner
19:08:17 <Halcyon> Yet to connect it
19:08:24 <Halcyon> I need an antenna first :P
19:08:29 <Ampera> Now that I know more about what I'm doing and understand that things like ffmpeg exist, that sorta thing could be more practical.
19:08:50 <Halcyon> Yup
19:08:53 <Ampera> instead of dicking around with media center software that barely works on Windows which barely works itself
19:09:02 <Halcyon> FFMpeg is awesome
19:09:19 <Halcyon> It's basically what Plex is, but with a web-based front ent
19:09:19 <Halcyon> end
19:09:24 <Ampera> mmm, the syntax is fucking stupid, like most complex CLI tools
19:09:25 <Ampera> what?
19:09:35 <Ampera> ffmpeg is a command line tool
19:09:36 <Halcyon> Plex is basically FFmpeg
19:09:38 <Ampera> no
19:09:38 <Halcyon> Yes I know
19:09:39 <Ampera> what
19:10:00 <Ampera> alright I think you got this mixed up, Plex is ffmpeg, but with a web client
19:10:03 <Ampera> not the other way around
19:10:04 <Halcyon> But it can be integrated into all sorts. We integrated FFmpeg into Windows GUI applications at work to help pull out CCTV video from weird file systems
19:10:39 <Ampera> regardless, since it's all V4L, and the tuner is easy enough to control, I'm confident that I could set something up.
19:10:52 <Ampera> The wild card would be Android, which I would have to develop a solution for, of some sort, but it's likely easy enough to do.
19:10:52 <Halcyon> Under the hood, Plex is just FFmpeg and throws it out to other services
19:11:15 <Ampera> I'm also in a better position because I have some actual server hardware now, which is gonna help a lot too.
19:11:21 <Halcyon> *nod*
19:11:24 <Halcyon> Absolutely
19:11:34 <Halcyon> Do you run a bare metal hypervisor?
19:11:42 <Ampera> lol I don't do hypervisors
19:11:43 <Ampera> ever
19:11:51 <Halcyon> Heh, I used to be like tha
19:11:52 <Halcyon> t
19:11:52 <Ampera> I just don't like them, and have never ever meshed with them
19:11:57 <Halcyon> Until I got my first power bill
19:12:01 <Ampera> my server runs FreeBSD, I don't even use jails.
19:12:14 <Ampera> No, I just run it all in the same root
19:12:19 <Ampera> on the same machine
19:12:23 <Halcyon> I actually find Hypervisors better. I can over-provision resources, which you can't do on physical hardware
19:12:42 <Halcyon> And I can access everything, including the console and physical power controls from anywhere.
19:13:00 <Ampera> that might sound good, but imo, there's too much overhead, hypervisors don't work well for the cheap ones, and I might as well just put everything on the same system.
19:13:07 <Halcyon> On 16 GB RAM, I have 6 VMs running
19:13:31 <Ampera> you see as a person who is always having a panic attack about not having enough resources that makes me wanna cry
19:13:40 <Halcyon> Yup, me too
19:13:46 <Halcyon> But it works
19:13:56 <Ampera> I just don't have enough different and unique tasks to justify a hypervisor like that.
19:14:05 <Halcyon> Fair enough
19:14:11 <Halcyon> I do, it's a mix of Linux, BSD and Windows
19:14:15 <Ampera> All of my tasks work perfectly together on the same box, I could even integrate the TV services into the box if I wanted to.
19:14:36 <Ampera> If it's a server, it gets BSD. If it's a desktop/client it gets Linux, and if it's both, who knows.
19:15:25 <Halcyon> I hated the idea of VMs about 15 years ago when I worked for a Telco
19:15:26 <Ampera> The TV services would likely end up being run on my HTPC if I were to arrange it as such.
19:15:32 <Halcyon> But now, I absolutely see the benefits
19:15:45 <Ampera> 15 years ago you'd be lucky if you could run VMs on a toaster
19:15:56 <Ampera> most of the time you had to deal with actual spud based computation devices
19:16:15 <Halcyon> Back then the company I worked for ran Citrix
19:16:25 <Halcyon> VMware et. al. were not to be seen
19:16:41 <Ampera> http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_quadhd.html
19:16:43 <Ampera> I'd get something like this
19:16:57 <Halcyon> Nice
19:17:36 <Ampera> I'd shop around for various options and ensure V4L compatibility, but with this I can arrange enough dedicated streams for anybody on our network
19:17:56 <Ampera> I'd even try to set up SSH tunneling for the streams, so it can work over LAN on Linux and Windows machines
19:18:00 <Ampera> *LAN -> WAN
19:18:34 <Ampera> I think I might actually write up some design documents for me dad based off this idea.
19:43:06 <steve30> Halcyon, I've been chatting to someone on a fetish website this last week. He wanted to meet up but had to cancel, so hopefully I might meet him next week.
19:43:23 <Halcyon> What sort of fetish ?
19:43:52 <Ampera> knowing my luck probably feetish
19:44:26 <steve30> well, he rather liked the photos of me in my cycling clothes :).
19:44:34 <Halcyon> :P
19:44:38 <Ampera> that's not a fetish
19:44:39 <steve30> I also posted a photo of me in a latex top :)
19:44:41 <Halcyon> Why have I not seen these photos?
19:44:47 <Ampera> okay now that /is/ a fetish
19:45:22 <Ampera> Halcyon, wouldn't that be cheating?
19:45:28 <Halcyon> No ?
19:45:47 <steve30> I assume halcyon would look them up via his police systems :p
19:46:02 <Halcyon> I don't think we keep your cycling photos on file :P
19:46:10 <Halcyon> You might just have to link me
19:46:26 <Ampera> Halcyon, well then I don't know how the hell relationships work then
19:46:29 <Ampera> I guess do what you want
19:46:35 <Ampera> I aint your dad
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20:33:59 <Guest|Paulie4Sure> Is there anybody out there?
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20:58:25 <K> no, noone here but us, chickens
20:58:29 <K> ah he left
21:16:34 <damian> you're a chicken!
21:20:09 <K> potassium chicken!
21:20:17 <K> not edible
21:23:01 <damian> if anything, i'm a an amazonite chicken
21:27:27 <K> totes amazeballs chicken?
21:29:58 <damian> nonono
21:30:00 <damian> i mean well, yes
21:30:02 <damian> but nononon
21:45:23 <Halcyon> Mmm chicken
21:45:43 <Halcyon> Sorry, I was trying to get a Sega Master System working
21:46:09 <Halcyon> I really need an oscilloscope
21:47:38 <steve30> oscilloscopes ftw
21:48:03 <rust_collector> everyone need a scope
21:57:24 <K> or two
22:07:05 <rust_collector> on each bench
22:10:17 <Ampera> Hi Halcyon
22:23:11 <Halcyon> Yo
22:27:28 <Ampera> how do
22:34:03 <damian> hihi
22:34:29 <damian> master system!
22:34:42 * steve30 likes his Hitachi oscilloscope
22:34:54 <damian> we had a mega drive ii
22:34:57 <damian> eat it
22:35:01 <steve30> I enjoy fiddling with the knobs and switches on it. They are very satisfying.
23:17:36 <damian> i wouldnt even know what to do with one .. except for fiddle wtih the knobs and switches randomly to generate a pattern of some kind hahaha
23:17:45 <damian> i'm no electronics guy!
23:18:09 <rust_collector> that is what you do with a scope.... I think
23:18:22 <K> scope fiddler, eh
23:20:58 <Ampera> damian, genesis is better than the mega drive
23:32:20 <damian> it's the same machine!
23:32:31 <Ampera> except one is for the US
23:32:34 <Ampera> and is american
23:32:38 <Ampera> and america is better than australia
23:32:43 <Ampera> therefore the genesis is better than the mega drive
23:33:03 <damian> i'm fairly confident that nothing that only americans have/do is better than other stuff, usually worse :P
23:33:25 <damian> i mean, look at your take on temperature and measurements of distance!
23:33:36 <Ampera> internet
23:33:38 <damian> livin' in the stone age there
23:33:41 <K> they have a better trump than everyone else
23:33:51 <Ampera> K, no the germans had a better one
23:34:02 <K> he dead thou
23:34:19 <damian> it's true, they have the best trump and god help us if anyone has a better one :P
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23:34:35 <Ampera> damian, mike pence
23:34:37 <damian> i wouldn't rate trump and hitler as being the same at all
23:34:51 <Ampera> no hitler actually knew how to get shit done
23:34:53 <Ampera> unlike trump
23:34:59 <damian> trump talks big but does shit all, is all words and no action
23:35:01 <damian> yeah, exactly
23:35:18 <damian> if hitler took his energy and spent it on something that would have actually done the world good, the world would be so much better than it is now
23:35:37 <Ampera> he did
23:35:45 <Ampera> it's just that people didn't like the fact that he tried to do it
23:36:35 <damian> a thanos style 'making things better' isn't the right approach :P
23:36:55 <Guest|61929> My EEV Blog BM235 no longer measures V or A and only continuity. The Auto V continuously all
23:37:02 <damian> i do concede that internet is good and american
23:37:08 <damian> and on that note, it's bed time for me. have a good one mate
23:37:37 <Ampera> night
23:37:51 <Ampera> Guest|61929, the EEVBlog forums are a considerably better place to get support for your BM235
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23:37:59 <Ampera> alright then
23:40:50 * steve30 needs a coffee
23:47:36 * Halcyon needs to go to bed
23:48:20 * steve30 wraps halcyon up in a cosy duvet :)
23:48:33 <Halcyon> It's like 22 degrees in here
23:48:39 * Halcyon kicks it off
23:48:49 <Halcyon> I actually might throw on the air conditioning
23:49:13 <steve30> hehe, 22 in here as well
23:49:21 <Halcyon> Twins
23:49:24 <rust_collector> uhm
23:49:28 <steve30> I'd probably feel warmer if the sun was out though
23:49:28 <Halcyon> 22.6 to be exact
23:49:42 <rust_collector> 22 here as well. inside
23:49:42 <Halcyon> It's almost midnight here
23:49:50 <Halcyon> Outside is probably about 17
23:50:42 <rust_collector> 16.6 outside
23:51:11 <rust_collector> +/- 10, beacuse cheap thermometer
23:51:17 <Halcyon> 22 is too warm inside for me
23:51:21 <Halcyon> I like it around 20
23:51:32 <Halcyon> 16-18 if I'm sleeping
23:51:37 <steve30> It gets closer to 30 in here on hot summer days
23:51:50 <Halcyon> Gorgeous, great day for a BBQ
23:52:20 <Halcyon> Crack out the wine and cider
23:52:36 <steve30> I kinda want to go back to bed again now
23:54:04 <Halcyon> What time is it?
23:54:05 * steve30 likes snuggling up in bed
23:54:11 <steve30> 1500
23:54:16 <Halcyon> Gees
23:54:30 <Halcyon> I like bed too ;-)
23:54:36 <Halcyon> But for other things
23:54:49 <Halcyon> You could bake something?/
23:55:08 <Halcyon> Fill the house with the smell of bread, or cookies?
23:55:18 <Ampera> I have a box
23:57:01 <Halcyon> I have a penis
23:57:10 <Ampera> I don't believe you
23:57:19 <K> bhh
23:57:21 <Halcyon> Well I'm not going to prove it to you
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