// #eevblog — 2019-04-20
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00:10:02 <steve30> I just did bdsmtest.org.
00:10:13 <steve30> Apparently I'm 100% Brat.
00:10:40 * T3sl4 whips steve30 with an overcooked spaghetti
00:17:13 <steve30> Quote: Brats are, in essence, naughty submissives. They find disobedience a form of playfulness rather than letting their dominant down
00:17:36 <T3sl4> right
00:17:37 <steve30> Maybe that's why I like kitties so much :)
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03:05:01 <Nothing\> neat, i just found a type of REAL oscillator that only needs one transistor, not like that stupid "oscillator" that induces avalanche breakdown in the transistor, although this type needs a transformer, actually come to think of it it reminds me a lot of a joule thief in that regard
03:05:03 <Nothing\> a blocking oscillator
03:06:35 <Nothing\> in fact, now that i look at it more i'm almost certain this is what's used in a joule thief
03:12:29 <DHess_US> Yes, the joule thief is a blocking oscillator.
03:12:42 <Nothing\> wouldn't mind making a joule thief some time, i still haven't made anything with an inductor since starting electronics a year and a half ago
03:13:01 <DHess_US> Royer oscillators are blocking oscillators also.
03:13:07 <Nothing\> DHess_US: neat, i never really learned anything about joule thiefs so i was just sort of inferring that
03:14:25 <Nothing\> hrm i just remembered i've been waiting on some p channel jfets since february, i wanted to build a lambda diode and see if i can use the negative impedance to turn it into an oscillator
03:15:01 <Nothing\> although i think you can make a lambda diode with an n channel jfet and pnp bjt or something, there's a bit more to it though
03:15:19 <Nothing\> i'd really love to get a tunnel diode to play with too, but they're expensive
03:15:31 <rust_collector> Nothing\: what do you want to use an oscillator for?
03:15:38 <Nothing\> nothing in particular, just learning
03:15:50 <rust_collector> great. good luck
03:16:43 <Nothing\> thanks, i'm sort of in the phase of learning where i've figured out a good number of "base circuits" but i still don't know much about actually putting them together to do anything besides just demonstrate how they work, since that's about how far most resources will go into it
03:17:22 <Nothing\> they explain how the circuits work, but damned if any actually tell you about how to combine them into anything useful
03:17:30 <rust_collector> awesome, so you can tell me about how the things work.
03:17:39 <rust_collector> I know what you mean
03:17:58 <Nothing\> lol yeah it's starting to get boring, i used to get by on the rush i'd get from making a circuit work, but there's just no novelty in that anymore
03:18:12 <Nothing\> i still remember how excited i was the first time i got an SCR to work
03:18:45 <Nothing\> now i build a RAM module and it's just like, alright it stores numbers... now what?
03:19:34 <Nothing\> although i have an idea for a circuit that'd save the output of an LFSR to RAM so i think i'll do that some time soon
03:20:42 <rust_collector> I would suggest pizza. it is always time for pizza.
03:21:02 <Nothing\> oh man i've been craving pizza lately, real store made pizza, not that frozen crap
03:21:20 <Nothing\> actually frozen pizzas aren't bad as long as they're fresh, but they're still nowhere near as good as stuff from a store
03:21:26 <rust_collector> you dont have an oven?
03:21:38 <Nothing\> oh i do, i just don't cook
03:21:40 <rust_collector> pizza is easy. just do it
03:22:00 <rust_collector> making pizza does not count as cooking
03:22:06 <rust_collector> so it is ok
03:22:14 <Nothing\> are you talking like, pizza from scratch?
03:22:18 <rust_collector> yes
03:22:27 <Nothing\> hrm yeah i've never actually done that, or even considered it
03:22:33 <Nothing\> an interesting idea though
03:22:48 <rust_collector> look it up, it really is simple
03:22:55 <Nothing\> ah it's a holiday today anyways so i can't go out and get stuff for that
03:23:01 <rust_collector> hah
03:23:07 <Nothing\> lately i've been eating a lot of shrimp and scallops with garlic... margarine
03:23:29 <Nothing\> i was thinking one of these times i should crumble up bacon into it
03:24:31 <rust_collector> it is ok, you can admit you do not like seafood, and just eat real food. there is no need to hide it with bacon
03:24:50 <Nothing\> dude that's blasphemy
03:24:52 <Nothing\> i LOVE seafood
03:24:57 <Nothing\> hands down my favorite food ever
03:25:26 <Nothing\> i was just thinking, bacon's one of the greatest foods, as are shrimp/scallops, so why not combine the two for a super great food?
03:25:57 * rust_collector think bacon is... not THAT great
03:26:11 <Nothing\> i've seen at the grocery store they have these scallops wrapped in bacon, like a filet mignon or something
03:26:30 <Nothing\> rust_collector: maybe you just haven't had good bacon?
03:26:40 <Nothing\> a lot of bacon is really fatty, it's not the greatest
03:27:21 <rust_collector> I have had a lot of different bacon. I just think it is a bit... overrated, as they say on youtube
03:27:32 <Nothing\> i can appreciate that opinion
03:27:55 <Nothing\> i'm not big on chocolate myself, i think it has a disgusting texture
03:28:35 <Nothing\> all thick and creamy, coating every square inch of your muoth, then i get dry mouth so it doesn't wash away and just sits there in my mouth making gross tastes
03:29:00 <rust_collector> I have a problem with many kinds of food, and it is usually because of the texture, or that I know what it used to look like. Like strawberries. I do not eat them
03:29:33 <Nothing\> strawberries? what have you got against strawberries?
03:29:54 <Nothing\> although lately i've been kind of disenchanted with strawberries cuz i've been noticing how terribly tart they are
03:30:00 <rust_collector> If you smash them and boil them, they are ok. but not plain nice fresh strawberry berries
03:30:24 <Nothing\> lol when i was little i ate so many strawberries that i threw up all over my mom's car
03:30:38 <rust_collector> it has something to do with the way they feel when I chew them
03:30:47 <rust_collector> I used to eat them too.
03:31:00 <Nothing\> what kind of backwards ass evolutionary trait is that where you're able to gorge yourself so much that you make yourself physically ill, kinda defeats the purpose of eating
03:31:05 <rust_collector> the taste is fine, I just don't like actually eating them
03:31:15 <Nothing\> i can see not liking the seeds in them
03:31:30 <Nothing\> i don't like figs because of the seeds, well and the texture too besides the seeds
03:31:55 <Nothing\> plus i have a lot of holes and cracks in my teeth and jaw so god forbid a seed should get stuck in one of those
03:33:04 <Nothing\> i can't eat anything that makes non-disolvable little bits like that, peanuts are especially bad, or popcorn
03:33:09 <rust_collector> When the wife was pregnant with kid #2, she made us eat tacos all the time, so I have had a problem with that, until... maybe a year or so ago. kid #2 is 16
03:33:18 <Nothing\> i'm considering getting a blender to just "chew" food for me beforehand
03:33:37 <Nothing\> my ex never got any cravings like that
03:33:52 <Nothing\> although i've effectively blocked out most of her pregnancy, and my marriage
03:34:01 <rust_collector> heh
03:34:37 <Nothing\> i tell you, it almost seems like an anomaly to see a couple that's been together as long as you presumably have
03:34:48 <Nothing\> given how old your kids are
03:35:03 <rust_collector> hmm, let me think...
03:35:58 <rust_collector> I am 39+ and kid #1 was 3 when we met, and.. uuh
03:36:01 <Nothing\> i wonder if the higher rate of divorce is related to how people aren't as religious as they once were, or if it's because of more lax social expectations, or something else
03:36:33 <Nothing\> lol you've gotta love trying to work out when things happened in a time addled brain
03:37:00 <Nothing\> it's like detective work
03:37:18 <rust_collector> I am missing a decade. I jumped from the 90's to the 2010's
03:37:24 <Nothing\> lol
03:38:08 <Nothing\> that's okay, for some reason i've thought i was 36 for the last few weeks, even though i'm 32
03:38:09 <Nothing\> er 34
03:38:16 <rust_collector> or so
03:39:11 <rust_collector> I have less than a month to go before I turn 40. it is weird. but otoh, I am still ok, because I skipped that decade
03:39:37 <Nothing\> oh wow
03:39:43 <Nothing\> 20th anniversary of columbine is tomorrow
03:40:09 <Nothing\> rust_collector: i dunno about you, but i've been operating basically as if it's 10 years ago anyways
03:40:49 <rust_collector> yeah, I heard about it on the radio the other day, they were looking for some woman that might not be wired correcctly
03:40:57 <Nothing\> holy crap, i just realized the 20th anniversary of 9/11 is only a year and a bit away too
03:41:13 <Nothing\> rust_collector: yeah she killed herself apparently, i just came across an article about that
03:41:23 <Nothing\> they thought she might have been planning an attack for the anniversary
03:41:55 <rust_collector> oh, ok. it is nice when the problems fix themself
03:42:19 <Nothing\> indeed, one less thing to worry about
03:42:35 <Nothing\> i wonder whatever happened to those slenderman worshipping teens who tried to stab their friend to death to appease him
03:43:08 <Nothing\> last i heard they were gonna try one of them as an adult, which makes no sense to me cuz she's obviously mentally ill so what good is that gonna do
03:44:18 <rust_collector> could also be that they just hated that "friend"...
03:44:18 <Nothing\> that's one thing we need to change about the justice system, go from focusing on punishing people to actually helping them to rehabilitate, and if they can't be rehabilitated just keep them out of society, but punishing them doesn't do anything useful
03:44:31 <rust_collector> right
03:44:33 <Nothing\> i'm sure they had no good feelings towards her
03:45:24 <rust_collector> they say the justice system here tries to rehab people, I dunno. but they have nice hotels.
03:45:35 <rust_collector> I mean prisons
03:46:37 <Ampera> The greatest hope for any contentious time is that one day we can sit in a better world and laugh about what happened back then.
03:47:14 <Nothing\> they're going in the right direction, they have definitely instituted more rehabilitation focused programs/sentences, like for minor drug related crimes here you can do several months of counselling in lieu of a conviction
03:47:21 <Nothing\> but we still have a lot of progress to make
03:47:30 <Nothing\> Ampera: amen to that
03:48:01 <Ampera> I just hope that I will live to see the day that the US and Europe no longer are having this political period of everybody loosing their collective shit.
03:48:25 <rust_collector> well, at least you have hope...
03:49:16 <Nothing\> Ampera: believe me, you will
03:49:25 <Nothing\> and yeah, hope is very important
03:49:43 <Nothing\> i used to think it only ever set you up to be let down, but sometimes all you have to keep you going is hope
03:50:16 <Ampera> The world survived two world wars, spaced barely any time apart, we survived the onset of communism throughout the globe, and we will survive this period in our history just the same.
03:50:41 <Ampera> Doomsday has been promised for as long as people had the words to do so, but it has yet to truly come.
03:50:55 <Nothing\> it's not quite the same thing Ampera but i remember about 15-20 years ago reading how in the future, processors will cost pennies a piece and will be cheap enough that we can embed them in every day items
03:51:02 <Nothing\> and sure enough, i'm living to see that
03:51:31 <Ampera> To be honest that's why I no longer like EE, and am not sure I will follow it as a life career.
03:51:41 <Nothing\> Ampera: the thing i find amusing about doomsday prophecies is they almost always fall within the lifetime of the person doing the prophesizing
03:52:06 <Ampera> Everything's become computerized. Why spend hours making a really neat application specific and intricate electronic equipment when a CPU or FPGA with some copy/pasted support circuitry will do the same job?
03:52:38 <Nothing\> Ampera: try to focus more on analog circuits, i find they're far more enjoyable to work with than digital stuff cuz digital circuits are basically just like legos, you connect one bit to another and it works, while analog circuits are so much more nuanced
03:52:55 <Ampera> The issue is that I can't get a job doing that.
03:53:03 <Nothing\> Ampera: because you could optimize it to be more effecient, or add more to it or what have you
03:53:08 <Ampera> EE would be a career option for me, and I just can't see myself going into it anymore.
03:53:25 <Nothing\> well if not EE, why not some more specific field, like some sort of research
03:53:35 <Nothing\> it'd require a higher degree but you'd actually be doing novel things
03:53:53 <Nothing\> not just trying to figure out how to connect a bathroom mirror to WIFI
03:53:59 <rust_collector> hah
03:54:11 <Ampera> I've not decided what I wish to do.
03:54:43 <Nothing\> Ampera: the problem i've noticed in retrospect is that you just can't know what your career path is going to be like until you've already set out on it
03:55:21 <rust_collector> The politicians over here keep talking about moving people to "green jobs" they will create, but I have not heard of any examples of what that might be yet.
03:55:47 <Nothing\> like when i was a kid i thought science was all explosions and fun stuff, absolutely NOTHING of those documentaries or cool science things i watched growing up could have ever prepared me for the monotony and tedium of collecting, recording and processing data, and the precision and attention to detail required to do science
03:55:53 <Nothing\> you know, all of the boring paper stuff
03:56:43 <rust_collector> And... I got to do all the explosions and stuff, and not much paper things
03:56:52 <rust_collector> YAY!
03:57:13 <Nothing\> or the biggest slap in the face was finding out that pretty much every science requires a lot of skill with math, which again nothing ever prepares you for, in fact those science videos go out of their way to NOT include anything about math
03:57:32 <Ampera> Today I'm making smoked salmon.
03:57:33 <rust_collector> But. then I changed to driving trucks.
03:57:36 <Nothing\> lol funnily enough i got into EE because i thought for some reason that it wouldn't require very much math
03:57:51 <Nothing\> rust_collector: truck driving would be a great job, but i can't see there being much of a future in it as an industry
03:58:09 <Nothing\> with the advent of self driving cars it's only a matter of 10-20 years before they implement that in transport trucks
03:58:14 <rust_collector> it will, for longer than I am going to be working
03:58:25 <Nothing\> you're probably right about that
03:58:45 <Nothing\> 10-20 years i figure is a generous estimate, and assuming there are no kinks or legal issues
03:59:24 <Nothing\> you've gotta wonder what self driving cars will do to the insurance sector, since it would make liability insurance absolutely useless
03:59:51 <Nothing\> unless they'd move to insuring the companies making the self driving systems who would presumably be liable for any problems
04:00:41 <rust_collector> it looks like 90% of the self driving car projects has more or less stalled. I dunno.
04:01:05 <Nothing\> come to think of it, i haven't heard anything new about them since that accident where the cyclist was killed
04:01:12 <rust_collector> right
04:01:40 <Nothing\> although i don't read/watch the news at all and since i don't socialize with anybody irl, i'm pretty far out of the loop with any news, much less news specific to any one thing
04:03:38 <rust_collector> I think they should stop thinking about self driving cars, and also stop giving driving licenses to people that have nothing to do behing the wheel of anything like a car
04:03:52 <rust_collector> but... that is just me, I guess
04:05:59 <DHess_US> <rust_collector> The politicians over here keep talking about moving people to "green jobs" they will create, but I have not heard of any examples of what that might be yet.
04:06:11 <DHess_US> Being compost after pestulance, war, famine, and disease is a green job.
04:06:42 <Nothing\> the one thing that bothers me is the fact that society deems it absolutely unacceptable for air travel to be unsafe, everybody freaks out any time there's a plane crash, yet they don't even think twice about cars being unsafe and car crashes are just a fact of life
04:07:17 <Nothing\> and yet people fear air travel more than cars lol
04:07:51 <Nothing\> i think it was 2017 there wasn't a single fatality on a commercial flight
04:08:33 <Nothing\> i think they need more stringent requirements for driver's licences and for maintaining said licence
04:08:40 <Nothing\> especially for the elderly
04:09:22 <rust_collector> compost is a good career
04:09:24 <Nothing\> like my grandfather has lost it so bad he couldn't even understand it when my aunt tried to tell him they were leaving after dinner, but legally he can still drive
04:10:01 <Nothing\> it bugs me the way humans operate as if the world is unchanging
04:15:01 <DHess_US> NOthing\, that observation has been made before and it is well understood. "Big" events seem more significant than many more little events because humans are inately poor at judging odds.
04:16:00 <DHess_US> So for instance the negative externalities of nuclear power seem much larger than they really are compared to hydroelectric, coal, or even wind and solar. The later have killed many more people.
04:16:16 <DHess_US> Or rather, many more people per amount of energy produced.
04:16:34 <DHess_US> Even solar and wind causes more deaths from people falling during installation.
04:16:38 <Nothing\> DHess_US: yeah i've noticed too we tend to focus more on negative events than positive in terms of remembering them, presumably because it's more advantageous evolutionarily speaking to remember things which cause us negative consequences so we can avoid them later
04:17:17 <Nothing\> yeah actually i've heard coal plants spread more radioactive debris than nuclear plants even lol
04:17:25 <Nothing\> just from radionuclides in the coal
04:17:34 <DHess_US> Or in the US, "assault weapons" are demonized yet handguns are involved in almost 2 orders of magnitude more shootings and deaths.
04:17:44 <Nothing\> or maybe i'm remembering that fact wrong, something along the lines of coal plants produce more pollution anyways
04:17:47 <DHess_US> Yea, coal plants do.
04:18:25 <DHess_US> No, you got it right. Coal plants release a lot more nuclear radiation but it is well distributed making it difficult to contain versus what comes from a nuclear plant.
04:18:29 <Nothing\> or this stupid craze with battery powered cars, when the plants that make the batteries probably waste way more fossil fuels and other natural resources than a petrol plant would
04:18:56 <DHess_US> Or the famous observation that people who wouldn't allow a nuclear plant in their area lived downriver from a hydroelectric dam.
04:19:06 <Bluenote> Anyone running a Siglent 1104X-E?
04:19:16 <Nothing\> DHess_US: the only major qualm i have with nuclear power is the fact that there isn't a single site for storing nuclear waste that's considered permanent
04:19:51 <DHess_US> Battery powered cars are a good idea. The only thing which makes internal combustion competative is economy of scale and subsidized fuel.
04:19:56 <Nothing\> there's that one in finland and yucca mountain but they're still being built, tohugh i think they're both starting to store waste there
04:20:37 <DHess_US> Nothing\, that is hardly the fault of the nuclear operators. Congress levied a tax from the beginning to funding a government controlled waste repository and spent the money on other things.
04:20:38 <Nothing\> DHess_US: battery power would be ideal if it was mandatory for the factories making them to use renewable power, but it defeats the purpose if the factories are sucking down fossil fuels too
04:21:07 <Nothing\> DHess_US: oh i know, it's just incidental to how nuclear power works
04:21:08 <DHess_US> No, the return isn't that bad.
04:21:42 <DHess_US> And it is easy to measure as well. Is the electric car economical compared to internal combustion? That is what money measures.
04:21:56 <Nothing\> i don't think it is
04:22:04 <Nothing\> to me it's akin to electric heat vs gas heat
04:22:15 <Bluenote> It isn't, really, because it writes off certain elements.
04:22:25 <Nothing\> either way you're turning fossil fuels into heat, one just has an extra step and therefor is inherently less efficient
04:22:37 <Nothing\> Bluenote: yeah i'm admittedly simplifying it a great deal
04:22:42 <DHess_US> Sure, the economic costs of the pollution and wars to support internal combustion are ignored.
04:23:12 <rust_collector> I am still wondering how long you can expect an electric car to last. But otoh, regular cars do not last very long any more either. but if you have to ship the used up cars to bangladesh to have someone smash them to pieces with a hammer... I dunno?
04:23:14 <Nothing\> another problem is the fact that the people in charge of this stuff aren't exactly scientists
04:23:28 <DHess_US> Excetp that electric heat can be provided by other sources of electricity. The only thing which makes gas heat economical is the low price of natural gas.
04:23:49 <DHess_US> haha, the peiople in charge of this stuff are politicians.
04:23:55 <Nothing\> exactly lol
04:25:13 <Nothing\> i watched this series of lectures from UC berkeley called physics for future presidents, it was meant to be a physics course for future politicians so they can be more educated about science stuff when making those decisions, it was a nice idea for a course
04:25:57 <Bluenote> There's nothing necessarily wrong with that, if the politicians would do their job adequately and write law around the recommendations of experts in whatever field is in question at the time, but that's never the case.
04:26:34 <Nothing\> Bluenote: the problem is the government is set up in a way that assumes politicians will do what's right
04:26:59 <DHess_US> A couple of my books discuss the details of why people are bad at understanding risk in the modern world. I think this is one of them, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345409469/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_taft_p1_i0
04:27:17 <Nothing\> it's like the whole issue of including mandatory backdoors in encryption, the idea is that law enforcement will only use those backdoors for good, but you know damn well people will abuse them
04:27:29 <Nothing\> DHess_US: i didn't know you were an author, that's cool
04:27:41 <rust_collector> ok, I have to go make some hinges... have fun
04:27:45 <DHess_US> Nothing\, I mean a couple of the books I have.
04:27:48 <DHess_US> Not that I wrote.
04:27:51 <Nothing\> rust_collector: you too, don't collect too much rust :P
04:27:55 <Nothing\> DHess_US: ah heh
04:28:13 <DHess_US> The question comes up in connection with human evolution.
04:29:09 <DHess_US> The Demon-Haunted World is well worth reading. The movie and more so the book Contact is based on it.
04:29:33 <DHess_US> It didn't come across so much in the movie because those parts got cut.
04:29:36 <DHess_US> Which is too bad.
04:30:22 <DHess_US> People are just bad at estimating risk outside of what they evolved to evaluate.
04:33:48 <DHess_US> Electric vehicle developement was retarded for decades by companies like Chevron and GMC. They would have been economical 20 years earlier if not for that.
04:52:44 <rust_collector> heh, that is enough work for today
04:53:49 <Ampera> toasters
05:01:25 <rust_collector> Talking about toasters... I want one of those spinning kebab grill sort of things
07:24:00 * T3sl4 gives Ampera an automated toaster
07:29:04 <DogWomble_> i like toast
07:29:26 * DogWomble_ proposes a toast
07:36:05 <T3sl4> i'll toast to that
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22:16:34 <T3sl4> and by that i mean, uses hooman-paws to scritch
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23:16:27 <steve30> My Mum has bought some new garden furniture
23:41:06 * T3sl4 coffees
23:46:36 <rust_collector> do you get to assemble it?
23:49:44 <steve30> i'm going to try and avoid it
23:53:40 <rust_collector> good good
23:57:04 <T3sl4> hehe
23:58:26 <steve30> Its plastic, so I'm hoping its good quality
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