// #eevblog — 2019-04-08
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06:12:27 <steve30> evening
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07:21:39 <Ampera> Ahoy hoy
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07:51:51 <Halcyon> Morning
08:04:29 <steve30> hi Halcyon
08:04:58 <steve30> T3sl4, I had my paws in a 14" trinitron PVM yesterday. It was very warm in there. It'd be nice in winter :)
08:08:03 <T3sl4> :)
08:08:14 * T3sl4 slides steve30 a nice warm coffee to paw at
08:08:27 <steve30> yum
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09:01:52 <steve30> Why do people in jobcentres and similar like to ask whether you like computers?
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09:03:19 <Halcyon> *shrug*
09:03:30 <Halcyon> I guess because everywhere uses computers?
09:05:13 <steve30> I have a suspicion that I disappointment them when I say 'no'
09:05:51 <steve30> Something I have learnt over many years of being a computer enthusiast, is never tell anyone you like/use computers.
09:07:55 * Ampera hugs the Halcyon
09:08:19 <Ampera> Why is that steve30
09:08:44 <Halcyon> Aww thanks
09:08:51 * Halcyon cuddles back and doesn't let go
09:10:07 <steve30> because people start wanting viruses removing etc etc (usually for free)
09:10:45 <Ampera> steve30, that's why you should start using Linux, so you can use it as an excuse to A. not know anything about their machine, or B. berate them because they aren't as smart as you for using Windows.
09:11:03 <steve30> I already do :)
09:11:39 <Ampera> darn you, steve30, your IRC client releases no secrets >:(
09:11:54 <Halcyon> Heh
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09:12:03 <steve30> Ampera, try again
09:12:26 <Ampera> Do mine, and notice the CPU information HexChat gives. It's really weird.
09:13:25 <Ampera> this is my PC's screenfetch: http://prntscr.com/n8u1jg
09:14:11 <steve30> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Debian 9.5 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8500 CPU @ 3.00GHz (800MHz) • Memory: 15.2 GiB Total (13.9 GiB Free) • Storage: 612.9 GB / 1.3 TB (660.4 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cape Verde XT [Radeon HD 7770/8760 / R7 250X] @ 8086:3ec2 • Uptime: 1d 4h 4m 10s
09:14:32 <steve30> Ampera, that's a very wide resolution
09:14:37 <Ampera> What was that steve30?
09:14:45 <Ampera> and yes, that's because I have 4 monitors
09:14:56 <steve30> Window > Send System Information
09:15:03 <Ampera> Client: HexChat 2.14.2 • OS: ArchLinux • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz (1.02GHz) • Memory: Physical: 15.2 GiB Total (7.5 GiB Free) Swap: 5.1 GiB Total (5.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 389.3 GB / 973.6 GB (584.3 GB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GM204 [GeForce GTX 970] @ Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor DRAM Controller • Uptime: 2d 19h 33m 13s
09:15:15 <Halcyon> Client: HexChat 2.14.2 • OS: Fedora release 29 (Twenty Nine) • CPU: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5645 @ 2.40GHz (1.60GHz) • Memory: Physical: 11.4 GiB Total (3.7 GiB Free) Swap: 5.8 GiB Total (5.5 GiB Free) • Storage: 66.0 GB / 256.4 GB (190.4 GB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GP107 [GeForce GTX 1050 Ti] @ Intel Corporation Xeon 5600 Series Integrated Memory Controller Channel 2 Address • Uptime
09:15:15 <Halcyon> : 1w 1d 20h 10m 53s
09:15:19 <Halcyon> Ooer
09:15:24 <Halcyon> I didn't know that
09:15:33 <Ampera> Neither of those CPU speeds for me are correct.
09:16:57 <Ampera> https://prnt.sc/n8ki81 This is my server's screenfetch
09:17:18 <Ampera> /that's/ what I call uptime, Halcyon
09:18:23 <Halcyon> Heh
09:18:52 <Halcyon> Uptime can be a double-edged sword especially on servers. It could mean that security patches and updates haven't been applied.
09:19:49 <Halcyon> My CPU is correct, although it doesn't recognise I have two of them
09:20:13 <Ampera> Mine is clocked at 4.6 Ghz.
09:20:20 <Ampera> Screenfetch gets it right
09:20:32 <Ampera> The memory is also wrong.
09:20:46 <Ampera> The storage is also wrong.
09:20:50 <Halcyon> Heh
09:21:04 <Ampera> Wow, HexChat is shit at this.
09:21:05 <Halcyon> You're all kinds of wrong Ampera :P
09:21:26 <Ampera> I mean I know why it's wrong on the storage bit, because I have an SFTP share mounted on SSHFS
09:21:44 <Ampera> and that with my 500GB SSD might be what it's going on about.
09:22:19 <steve30> I wanted to go swimming tomorrow but I think I might be better off staying asleep instead
09:22:45 <Ampera> http://prntscr.com/n8u3zz This is what my HTPC is
09:22:48 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Look what just turned up. Sitting on the only bench I have available https://t.co/fLTd3x7YJI
09:22:48 <Halcyon> You really are a cat aren't you Steve :P
09:23:21 <Halcyon> Don't want to go in the water, just wants to sleep all day.
09:23:47 <steve30> *meow*
09:23:48 <Ampera> The CPU, which it gets wrong, is an AMD Phenom II X4 945
09:24:02 * Halcyon hisses at Ampera
09:24:54 <Ampera> I guess I do now own more Intel machines than AMD, but that's not by intent.
09:25:31 <Halcyon> I just find it hard to trust AMD in terms of reliability after being fucked several times in the past with their CPUs and GPUs.
09:25:32 <steve30> I don't think I have anu AMD CPUs
09:25:38 <Halcyon> It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
09:26:02 <Ampera> The only AMD platform I've had /sort of/ a reliability with was 939, but that's largely down to bad luck with 2nd hand boards
09:26:54 <Halcyon> Also, my backups are 80% done! YAY!
09:27:01 <Halcyon> Been going since 1st April
09:27:48 <Halcyon> damian: You around?
09:28:42 <Ampera> Halcyon, does that mean the card works well?
09:28:57 <Halcyon> I think it works as well as it's ever going to
09:29:16 <Halcyon> The speed increase wasn't as much as I was hoping for, but it is what it is.
09:29:58 <Halcyon> I'm averaging about 28-29MB/sec
09:30:50 <Halcyon> I think the drive is capable of much more, but I'd say the bottleneck is the CPU in this machine, it doesn't support AES-NI
09:31:21 <Ampera> I didn't intend it to improve speed, I sent it to you because you had an issue with finding a good PC with a PCI slot
09:31:37 <Ampera> That is, as far as I know, the only model of PCIe Parallel SCSI card in existence.
09:31:47 <Halcyon> Well that's fixed now too, I put a newer board in and am running Windows Server 2008
09:31:52 <Halcyon> (which is still old)
09:32:35 <Halcyon> But after trying pretty much every free/trial tape backup software out there, I settled for a cracked copy of Symantec Backup Exec 2010 R3
09:44:04 <ServalSpots> Well, and this toe I guess
09:49:39 <Halcyon> I might do a chicken satay tonight
10:07:11 <steve30> save some for me :p
10:12:37 <DHess_US> I've been AMD since the P4 because I didn't want to pay the Intel ECC premium.
11:04:59 <Halcyon> Back soon, server maintainance...
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11:53:35 <Ampera> I don't consider ECC to have any practical use for consumers.
11:54:46 <Ampera> The reliability gains are pretty much useless on the scale consumer machines run, and the security improvements Halcyon tried to argue I just can't be convinced can account for the greatly increased price of ECC memory.
12:04:37 <DHess_US> Error rate is proportional to memory used, memory throughput, and *wall* time. The last is important for systems which run continuously.
12:05:02 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: My demographics haven't really changed from day one https://t.co/kG9Q6hxoc4
12:08:44 <Ampera> The thing is, as far as I am aware, for as long as I've used all of my computers, I have not had memory errors, at least not to the point where I consider them any sort of issue.
12:09:51 <damian> yo
12:11:02 <Ampera> hi damian
12:12:37 <damian> what's happening, friend?
12:13:21 <Ampera> uh
12:13:24 <Ampera> nothing at all
12:33:00 <DHess_US> Ampera, how would you know without some type of error detection?
12:33:45 <Ampera> That's my point, it's something expensive that doesn't perceptively do anything for your machine. Not unless it's on an enterprise scale where the odds are considerably more likely over the lifetime of the machine
12:34:11 <Ampera> which will likely be handling considerably more important data instead of anything that's going to need consistent uptime and reliability on a desktop machine.
12:38:49 <DHess_US> Like I said, the odds are proportional to memory used and wall time. If you use lots of RAM for an extended period, then errors become a problem.
12:54:00 <T3sl4> i don't want to sound alarmingly witch-like, but: https://i.imgur.com/YPp8fjl.gifv
13:23:01 <DHess_US> What?
13:26:23 <T3sl4> wht?
13:26:34 <DHess_US> Witch like/
13:26:36 <DHess_US> ?
13:28:26 <T3sl4> the joke would be that witches are prone to baking pies of live animals, and also possibly something something black kittens i guess could count too
13:29:02 <T3sl4> or was that a different fairy tale stereotype?
13:30:49 <DHess_US> Oh, I think that only involved children.
13:30:58 * Ampera throws a kiwi at T3sl4
13:31:00 <DHess_US> I've never heard it applied to animals.
13:32:24 <DHess_US> The fairy tale where the witch makes pie of your cat just results in cheers for the witch.
13:33:53 <DHess_US> The boy who cried wolf is my favorite fairy tale. At the end, the wolf eats the sheep and the boy and the parents.
13:34:49 <T3sl4> what about crows?
13:35:03 * T3sl4 eats Ampera's thrownnom
13:37:06 <DHess_US> Crows? Nobody cares about crows.
13:37:15 <T3sl4> Crows care.
13:37:40 <T3sl4> But nobody else cares about them so it's okay
14:34:25 <K> hello
14:47:04 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/pevSPn4.gif
14:51:34 <K> bhh
14:51:49 <K> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=narhKDWzIZ8
14:52:11 <K> https://youtu.be/narhKDWzIZ8?t=483
15:08:26 <T3sl4> hah
15:08:55 <T3sl4> this is the audio equivalent of photoshopping an attractive woman into an attractive pepperoni pizza
15:09:19 <T3sl4> https://imgur.com/gallery/lprUa8c
15:10:07 <K> hehe
15:14:28 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RT @TubeTimeUS: this is a 3-pin bi-color LED that's been sanded down so you can clearly see the lead frame and LED chips. https://t.co/p2Y1…
15:24:05 <K> the url is broken
15:39:39 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: RT @WiebeWkkr: I MADE IT! Driving with an electric car from Amsterdam to Sydney! Finished just now at the @RBGSydney and wow so proud! Wi…
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17:16:36 <Halcyon> Mew
17:18:28 <Halcyon> Oh yay, my ISP supports IPv6 now
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17:46:43 <Lartza> Grats, I don't even have ipv6 on my LTE after switching carrier
17:46:51 <Lartza> 6rd only on broadband
18:34:09 <Halcyon> You in Finland Lartza ?
20:26:59 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN8uXhYaUJM
20:27:03 <Halcyon> Both are so effing cute
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20:47:43 * Halcyon licks Ampera
20:50:34 <Lartza> Halcyon, Yeah
21:02:23 <Halcyon> Ah nice
21:02:28 <Halcyon> My background is Finnish
21:10:35 <damian> urmum
21:12:42 <Halcyon> You're so grown up damian :P
21:16:42 <damian> urface is
21:16:48 <damian> what's happening
21:21:46 <Halcyon> Not much mate, you?
21:24:28 <damian> just relaxinating. just got home from dodgeball
21:24:39 <Halcyon> Oh nice :)
21:24:47 <Halcyon> I'm 91% through my backups
21:24:54 <Halcyon> Which have been running for 9 days \o/
21:25:36 <damian> backup of what
21:25:38 <damian> to what
21:25:39 <damian> and how
21:25:58 <Halcyon> My entire NAS to LTO2 tape
21:26:05 <damian> how much data is that
21:26:13 <Halcyon> Tape #48 is in the drive now
21:26:16 <Halcyon> 11TB
21:26:32 <damian> i was about to say .. how is it taking so long when lto2 is only 250gb or something
21:26:40 <Halcyon> 200G per tape
21:27:08 <damian> what do you have on your nas
21:27:13 <Halcyon> I'm also encrypting so it's only running at just under 30MB/sec
21:27:19 <damian> i really need to fix my backup nas so i can do backups
21:27:25 <Halcyon> Then there are the tape changes (which obviously don't happen at night)
21:27:38 <Halcyon> Everything from documents and personal files to my media
21:27:48 <Halcyon> Movies, TV Series etc...
21:28:04 <damian> i just threw away about 100 LTO2 tapes at work
21:28:14 <Halcyon> Heh damn
21:28:30 <damian> just before chistmas i did a clean out and found them all in a box behind the door in the bosses office, nfi why they were there
21:28:34 <Halcyon> Throwing away a robotic library too ? ;-)
21:28:42 <damian> i asked him about them and he goes 'they were in my office when i got the office'
21:28:55 <Halcyon> Hah did you at least destroy them?
21:28:55 <damian> so at least 7 years. lol
21:29:01 <damian> yeah, Shred-X to the rescue
21:29:06 <Halcyon> Good boy
21:29:10 <damian> cost $250!
21:29:17 <Halcyon> Gees
21:29:24 <Halcyon> Just take them out back and set fire to them
21:29:41 <damian> haha
21:29:47 <damian> and then die of toxic fume inhailing
21:29:59 <Halcyon> Well don't fucking inhale it genius :P
21:30:05 <damian> hahah
21:30:13 <damian> and no, no robotic libraries
21:30:13 <Halcyon> Get APS to do it :P
21:30:37 <damian> we use a single LTO6 drive at work, but i only use it to backup two servers
21:30:47 <damian> actually, i dont use it to backup any servers, i use it to backup the backup of two servers
21:30:52 <Halcyon> Well, if you happen to be throwing that out ;-)
21:31:06 <damian> i have Veeam backing everything up to NAS, and then BUE2010 backs two crutial servers up to tape
21:31:14 <damian> i'll let you know
21:31:15 <steve30> o/
21:31:22 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
21:31:44 <Halcyon> Good old BUE, as much as Symantec sucks.... that was one program that did what it needed to
21:31:44 <damian> i actually have to make a damn diagram on our backup/dr tomorrow at work, there's a board meeting this week and they want to know what i've been doing with my time
21:32:00 <damian> yeah, a lot better than a lot of the other softwares out there
21:32:20 <Halcyon> I literally tried everything that was free/trial ware. None of it did what I wanted
21:32:31 <damian> i only use it because we have it and i didn't want to get Veeam Enterprise just for the ability to backup to tape
21:32:32 <Halcyon> Who the fuck makes tape backup software that doesn't span tapes?
21:32:46 <damian> just use NTBackup :P
21:32:48 <damian> Windows Backup to tape
21:32:55 <damian> she'll be right mate
21:32:56 <Halcyon> I would, except it doesn't support encryption
21:33:09 <damian> hmm, i thought you could
21:33:14 <Halcyon> Nah
21:33:15 <damian> but it's been a good ten years since i've used it with tape
21:33:23 <damian> i use hard disks these days
21:33:26 <Halcyon> Compression yes, encryption no, unless you archived the data first
21:33:29 <damian> or at least i did .. before i moved to GAZMAN
21:33:51 <damian> what do you need to encrypt for?
21:34:11 <Halcyon> The thing is, I have about 100 LTO2 tapes and 2 drives sitting here doing nothing. If I was to back up to hard disk, I might as well upgrade my NAS and use the old disks as the backups
21:34:15 <Halcyon> Stuff :P
21:34:18 <damian> don't want someone finding your ampol amounts of gay porn if you lose a tape?
21:34:32 <Halcyon> Hah, nah I archive work stuff at home
21:34:44 <Halcyon> Only up to Protected level though :P
21:35:43 <damian> what do you do for work again?
21:36:03 <Halcyon> Cyber security
21:36:07 <damian> that's the one
21:36:44 <damian> wanna run a free pentest on my network for me? :P
21:36:56 <Halcyon> Your personal network?
21:37:00 <damian> nah, work
21:37:03 <damian> personal would be funny though
21:37:11 <Halcyon> Hah, for you, yes. For work, they can pay me :P
21:37:17 <damian> hahaha
21:37:42 <damian> what do you use to do pentest?
21:37:42 <damian> s
21:38:14 <Halcyon> I number of different tools, but it's also about looking at the environment you have in-place already and its config.
21:38:31 <Halcyon> For example, if your run IDS/IPS etc...
21:38:34 <Halcyon> *you
21:39:20 <damian> i don't know what any of that is
21:39:31 <Halcyon> Intrusion detection/prevention
21:39:33 <damian> cyber security is one thing i've never touched except for really basic things
21:40:00 <Halcyon> But not just that, stuff like your group policies, how often your users change passwords, how you audit accounts etc...
21:40:33 <damian> you check that stuff as part of a penetration test, or as part of your overall cyber security assessment?
21:40:39 <Halcyon> It's not a 10 minute job
21:40:50 <Halcyon> It depends what the client wants
21:40:58 <damian> fair enough
21:41:05 <damian> what kinds of things do you check in group policies?
21:41:11 <Halcyon> My own business is doing work for external clients. My day job is working internally for the Government
21:41:57 <damian> oh, i didn't realise you did it on the side as well
21:41:58 <Halcyon> Well, password policies for one thing. How you enforce password changes, how far back do you "remember" passwords, etc...
21:42:13 <damian> passwords is on my list of shit to change at work
21:42:13 <Halcyon> Yep, it's more of a side salad
21:42:27 <Halcyon> Outside of work I specialise in network design
21:42:33 <damian> like it literally pops up every day in my todo list 'implement password policy'
21:42:52 <damian> at the moment we have no password policy, it's disabled in group policies, anyone can set any password and they aren't required to change it
21:43:06 <Halcyon> How large is the organisation?
21:43:09 <damian> network design does my fracking head in
21:43:43 <damian> about 600 employees, but from a cyber point of view there's 100 stores and 70 end users, 530 of those 600 employees are retail staff
21:43:52 <Halcyon> Gees
21:44:02 <Halcyon> Yes, you need to enforce password policies pretty urgently
21:44:03 <damian> they don't have logins to anything :P
21:44:09 <damian> yeah i know
21:44:57 <Halcyon> Do you implement principle of least privilage?
21:44:57 <damian> i got there in November 2017 .. it red flagged straight away, but i didn't want to change anything like that straight away, then things got a bit hectic, and here we are. now i have time
21:45:01 <damian> or at least i should have time very soon
21:45:10 <damian> i don't know what that is
21:45:27 <Halcyon> All users (including IT) only have the minimum amount of access they need to do their job
21:45:37 <Halcyon> i.e.: Almost no one should have Administrator rights
21:45:39 <damian> for the main part, yeah
21:45:44 <damian> IT have more, except for me
21:46:03 <damian> i tried to take it off of them when i got there, but it broke half of the stuff they use
21:46:16 <Halcyon> If you need to login as an administrator/root/domain admin etc... then do so, but it should never be part of anyone's normal login
21:46:18 <damian> they gave me full domain admin before i started on my standard login
21:46:32 <damian> literally the first thing i did was give myself an admin user account and remove everything i didnt need from my standard
21:47:00 <damian> and over the next couple of weeks i attempted to take it off of them too, but yeah .. didn't work
21:47:03 <ibiza> domain users!
21:47:20 <Halcyon> Hey ibiza :)
21:47:27 <ibiza> g'day
21:47:31 <damian> i might have another look at it, but it's gunna be hard work. almost easier just to rename their current account and create a new standard user account :P
21:47:39 <damian> what other tips do you have
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21:47:50 <Halcyon> *shrug* It's all in my brain
21:47:56 <damian> i want it all in my brain
21:47:56 * Halcyon rattles it around
21:48:18 <damian> oh, so here's a question for you
21:48:19 <Halcyon> It's also under the influence of a bottle of wine
21:48:24 <damian> do you consider RDP to the internet safe
21:48:25 <Halcyon> So now might not be the best time to ask :P
21:48:36 <Halcyon> Generally no
21:48:45 <Halcyon> In fact, almost always no
21:48:50 <damian> i'm talking one-to-one straight RDP ion 3389
21:48:58 <damian> and what about RDWeb Access?
21:49:09 <Halcyon> Why not VPN in then RDP ?
21:49:17 <damian> you're skipping ahead, stop it!
21:49:43 <Halcyon> RDP in itself isn't an issue, but the least amount of services facing the internet, the better
21:49:58 <ibiza> back in my day used to be a pain when users had to change a password on one service say a domain not managed by us... then it lock them selfout because it is the same username as there local domain logon
21:49:59 <Halcyon> If someone needs internal network access, they should be using a VPN
21:50:19 <damian> i disagree! RDP itself is kind of dangerous, because it has no brute force protection
21:50:31 <Halcyon> That's true
21:50:38 <ibiza> +1
21:50:45 <ibiza> but i still use it everyday lol
21:50:57 <damian> RDWeb is a little better, because IIS will restrict requests if there are too many
21:51:16 <Halcyon> But how would you know damian? Who monitors it? And how?
21:51:21 <damian> plus it's fully encrupted
21:51:26 <Halcyon> This is where network sensors and proper reporting come in
21:51:31 <damian> this is true
21:51:54 <damian> we use rdgateway to get in, mainly because the previous administration didn't know how to do vpn properly
21:51:55 <Halcyon> If someone tried to login 10, 100, 1000, 1000000 times, it should be flagged SOMEWHERE
21:52:22 <Halcyon> It's no good sitting in Windows Event Log if no one looks at it
21:52:36 <damian> yeah
21:53:26 <damian> i facepalmed so hard when i heard about the vpn situation at work. the previous guys set it up through telstra .. and telstra use a stupid vpn client which hasn't been updated in the last ten years
21:53:31 <damian> im like :o
21:53:46 <Halcyon> I guess it's better than nothing?
21:53:47 <damian> and the installation guide was 20 points long and wasn't even correct
21:53:57 <Halcyon> Even if it is just IPsec
21:54:19 <damian> yeah, but no one used it .. because it was too hard to configure
21:54:37 <damian> i dont think they really knew what VPN was, so they set it up because someone told them they needed it, then never implemented it because it was too hard
21:54:51 <damian> which i completely understand, because it's an overly complex configuration for just VPN
21:56:32 <Halcyon> Yeh VPN was a bit shitty back in the day
21:56:43 <Halcyon> I remember setting it up when I worked for Commander about 12 years ago
21:57:03 <damian> good ol' commander
21:57:04 <Halcyon> But there is no excuse now. Given that pretty much every modern smartphone and OS supports it
21:57:17 <damian> i dislike those guys so hard
21:57:21 <Halcyon> Hahah
21:57:37 <Halcyon> I had nothing to do with the field techs, I worked in the internal IT dept.
21:57:42 <damian> ahh yeah
21:57:58 <damian> i recently went with them because they were the cheapest for non-NBN FTTP telephone only
21:58:10 <Halcyon> Gawd, I remember the shitty fucking software they used to send/receive jobs. It was awful.
21:58:21 <damian> all other companies wanted to charge an internet connection + telephone, even though the only part of internet we would use is telephone
21:58:25 <Halcyon> Ah yeh, I left Commander before it got sold to M2
21:58:36 <Halcyon> I think now they've disappeared into obscurity
21:58:40 <damian> so i get it all done, $30/mo just for a basic phone line, calls not included .. cheapest, ok! we are doing this
21:59:07 <damian> a month goes by, i query it, and the guy comes back saying they cant to the phone without a proper internet connection (though $12 of that $30 was for internet), and it'll now be $70
21:59:10 <damian> $79
21:59:26 <Halcyon> I think the biggest mistake they made was buying out PBA (Personal Broadband Australia) which supplied iBurst to some capital cities
21:59:28 <damian> so now i have to start my vetting process again and find a decent telephony peopel!
21:59:40 <damian> iburst?
21:59:45 <Halcyon> The technology was decent but could never compete with Telstra 3G
21:59:57 <Halcyon> Yeh it was a mobile broadband service before 4G
22:00:10 <Halcyon> I think it was a few megabits per second, but VERY limited coverage
22:00:12 <damian> ah
22:00:27 <Halcyon> I still have one of their PCMCIA cards
22:01:05 <damian> but do you have a machine to put it in
22:01:12 <Halcyon> Yup :P
22:01:19 <damian> crazy
22:01:30 <Halcyon> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.20
22:01:54 <Halcyon> I actually remember testing it in a car
22:01:59 <damian> lol wow
22:02:11 <damian> what made you get into security?
22:02:14 <Halcyon> To get a few Mbps back then was amazing
22:02:38 <Halcyon> I joined the cops, then it kind of naturally progressed from there. I eventually fell back into an IT-related role
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22:04:37 <damian> interesting
22:04:58 Join: DHess_US ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
22:05:08 <damian> what do you look like dude
22:05:18 <Halcyon> Blonde hair, blue eyes
22:05:24 <Halcyon> *shrug*
22:05:25 <damian> dont believe you
22:05:28 <Halcyon> Kind of boring
22:05:32 <damian> i've been duped by that on irc before
22:05:36 <Halcyon> Hahahaha
22:05:51 <Halcyon> No, for reaslies. My background is Finnish
22:06:00 <Halcyon> *realsies
22:06:09 <damian> i've only met one fin in my life that i'm aware of, he was not good looking
22:06:12 <damian> show me a photo
22:06:16 <Halcyon> Hahahah
22:06:23 <Halcyon> I don't have one on file
22:06:33 <Halcyon> Beside, I offered you a photo ;-)
22:06:41 <Halcyon> *smirk(
22:06:46 <damian> take one on whatsapp you asshead
22:06:48 <damian> hahaha yeah
22:06:56 <Halcyon> Haha I disabled my front facing camera
22:07:03 <damian> i wanna see your face, not minihals face
22:07:10 <Halcyon> Hahaha
22:07:13 <damian> turn your phone around then!
22:07:17 <damian> WHY ARE YOU MAKING THIS SO DIFFICULT
22:07:26 <Halcyon> Ampera or steve30 can vouch for me
22:07:32 <Halcyon> They've seen what I look like
22:07:59 <Halcyon> Refill time
22:08:01 <damian> that was done with rear camera
22:08:03 <damian> see how easy it is
22:08:17 <steve30> I've seen a picture of him
22:08:18 <damian> damn i look tired tonight
22:11:22 <damian> ok bed time
22:11:24 <damian> have a good one boys
22:11:27 <Halcyon> Yeh me too I think
22:11:37 <Halcyon> Later Damo
22:11:56 * Halcyon licks Steve on the way out
22:15:17 <steve30> I think I'll pop out on the bike then
22:15:41 <damian> hey!
22:15:44 <damian> i found my laptop in my bed
22:16:05 <Halcyon> Hahaha
22:16:43 <damian> i spent half of the day here, so it makes sense
22:17:09 <Halcyon> I wish I could too
22:17:13 <Halcyon> I was up at 0730
22:18:30 <damian> damn, so late. i got up at 530 this morning, i needed to cook lunch, walk the dog, have breakfast, shower and possibly take my bike for a quick ride before i actually go to work to make sure it ran ok
22:18:38 <damian> that was the plan..
22:18:54 <damian> i ended up waking up at 530, showering, walking the dog .. and then realising i am not fit for work today, so i went back to bed until midday
22:40:52 <ibiza> damian u there ?
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