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00:05:42 <DHess_US> Halcyon, there is considerable security advantage to placing every local machine on its own VLAN so that you can route between them all.
00:06:27 <Ampera> That also sounds like it would take hours, if not days to set up.
00:06:29 <Ampera> I like it.
00:06:39 <DHess_US> If two machines don't routinely communicate, then they don't need to be in the same VLAN. And if they do, if they are not, then you can route between them to limit them to exactly what they need.
00:07:15 <Ampera> You sound like the kinda guy who would put a metal divider in his cereal bowl to prevent his fruit loops from integrating.
00:07:20 <DHess_US> So essentially it isolated every machine with the firewall.
00:08:11 <DHess_US> Or with the common stateful firewall, it allows one machien to contact another but not the reverse.
00:08:35 <DHess_US> Like if your server was configured to do pull requests for backups from other machines. Since they cannot see the server, they cannot corrupt it.
00:09:35 <DHess_US> The big disadvantage is that throughput is limited by how fast your router is and routers are not fast compared to switches.
00:14:02 <Ampera> my router is relatively fast
00:15:09 <Ampera> https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+A6-5400K+APU&id=1494
00:15:22 <Ampera> alright well playing a bit loose and skimpy with my definition of fast, my tablet can beat that
00:15:32 <Ampera> but compared to a cheap 500Mhz ARM chip in a box, it's fast.
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01:53:28 <DHess_US> The m0n0wall and pfsense guys did a lot of work benchmarking for that specific application years ago. It is possible to route at 10Gb but it takes some work. 1Gb is pretty easy now but like you observed, you don't do it on 500MHz ARM hardware.
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09:30:57 <Halcyon> What are you fiddling with Ampera?
10:43:23 <Halcyon> Ampera: I could see you doing videos like this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4aJyQBA63E
10:43:25 <Halcyon> :P
10:53:17 <damian> isn't Ampera a robot, how can he do videos without a face!
10:53:26 <Halcyon> *grin*
10:53:33 <Halcyon> How are you damian ?
10:53:43 <damian> could be better
10:53:47 <Halcyon> Oh?
10:54:04 <damian> i've been slowly getting sick since i got back, and yesterday i made the mistake of taking a day off of life and staying in bed .. now i feel worse
10:54:21 <Halcyon> Oh that's not good :(
10:54:37 <damian> wow that kid is a nerd
10:54:47 <Halcyon> Yeh, big time
10:54:56 <Halcyon> He has a certain charm though
10:56:17 <damian> you like nerds ey
10:56:24 <Halcyon> Haha yeh, they are my type
10:56:30 <Halcyon> Not necessarily like that guy
10:56:32 <Halcyon> But generally
10:58:18 <damian> so this isn't #eevblog to you, it's #nerdyhookup
10:59:29 <ibiza> 6 degres of seperation
10:59:55 <damian> yo mumma is
11:01:57 <Halcyon> Hah
11:02:08 <Halcyon> I haven't hooked up with anyone from here
11:02:23 <Halcyon> Mainly because T3sl4 won't let me :P
11:02:34 <damian> i haven't hooked up with anyone on tinder either, but i'm still on there looking
11:02:44 <Halcyon> Heh
11:03:16 <Halcyon> Anyway, probably should go do some housework, heaps to do and it's a nice day outside
11:05:42 <damian> just hire a maid
11:14:05 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Wow, I'm impressed by the number of modelling magazines, amazing! https://t.co/ixVpv297tG
11:33:29 <DHess_US> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoEHkHkuUxw&feature=youtu.be&t=30
11:34:51 * Ampera slaps Halcyon some more
12:14:21 <Halcyon> Harder
12:14:21 <Halcyon> :)
12:37:32 <Ampera> how do Halcyon
12:55:13 * DogWomble peers in
12:57:26 <Halcyon> I'm good, just doing housework
12:59:36 <coppice> I'm good, when not doing housework
13:11:22 <Halcyon> I'm mostly just faffing around the kitchen
13:45:52 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera...
13:46:01 <Ampera> ye
13:46:11 <Halcyon> How do your recommend running old DOS software under Linux?
13:46:16 <Ampera> DOSBox
13:46:17 <Halcyon> *you
13:46:28 <Ampera> quite easy to use, if you need the short version I can give it to you
13:46:45 <Halcyon> Yeh might give it a shot.
13:46:51 <Halcyon> I forgot they made a Linux version
13:47:46 <Ampera> The classical method is DOSEMU, but it's got a lot of stuff it might not work with, DOSBox very likely has better support.
13:47:56 <Ampera> However DOSEMU tends to be a bit more streamlined of a program.
13:48:01 <Ampera> There's also VM software like QEMU
13:49:05 <Halcyon> Yeh it needs to be easy to you, i.e. launchable from a shortcut
13:49:07 <Halcyon> It's for a kids PC
13:49:10 <Halcyon> *use
13:49:25 <Ampera> Oh then DOSBox can be set to automount folder, and then you get a straight DOS environment, can play games and stuff.
13:49:38 <Halcyon> Sounds good to me
13:49:51 <Halcyon> Also I should be able to run Sim City 2000 in WINE
13:50:12 <Ampera> https://www.dosbox.com/wiki/MOUNT and https://www.dosbox.com/wiki/Dosbox.conf#.5Bautoexec.5D
13:50:32 <Ampera> Uhhh, If it's a Windows 3.1 program I'm not sure, in Long mode at least you can't run straight Win16 code.
13:50:45 <Ampera> DOSBox can run Sim City 2000, though
13:50:58 <Ampera> and Wine may or may not have some old way to do Win16
13:51:14 <Halcyon> It's a Windows version
13:51:26 <Halcyon> Actually, maybe it's both, I'll have to check the ISO
13:51:30 <Ampera> Which Windows version?
13:51:34 <Ampera> and you can also just install Windows on DOSBox
13:51:43 <Halcyon> Meh starting to get too complex
13:51:47 <Halcyon> As I said, it's for a kids PC
13:51:50 <Ampera> You want me to set it up for you?
13:51:54 <Ampera> it wouldn't take me long
13:51:59 <Halcyon> No I'm good, I know how to use DOSbox :)
13:52:25 <Halcyon> Plus as she gets older, she can start using LibreOffice etc...
13:52:37 <Ampera> Regardless Wine may or may not work, there may be steps and emulation bits you have to enable for Win16.
13:52:46 <Ampera> Then why are you giving her DOSBox?
13:52:55 <Halcyon> To run old DOS games
13:53:10 <Ampera> how does that compare to LibreOffice?
13:53:24 <Halcyon> It doesn't, they are two separate things
13:53:33 <Halcyon> But it can all be done on the one machine
13:53:38 <Ampera> How old is she?
13:54:07 <Halcyon> Turning 7
13:54:25 <Ampera> Not sure how old I was when I first played around with Ubuntu VMs
13:54:41 <Ampera> Version was 10.04 last I recall, the last version with GNOME 2
13:55:00 <Halcyon> Yeh fuck GNOME, she can learn to use xkde
13:55:17 <Ampera> 2010
13:55:26 <Ampera> xkde?
13:55:32 <Ampera> just give her MATE or WindowMaker
13:55:41 <Halcyon> Yeh maybe MATE
13:55:44 <Ampera> xfce I presume you mean
13:55:55 <Halcyon> Yes sorry, I'm 'tarded today
13:55:58 <Halcyon> Little sleep
13:56:35 <Ampera> It's two minutes after today for me, you have no excuse.
13:56:45 <Ampera> or would that be two minutes after yesterday
13:56:50 <Halcyon> Yeh but you're used to it
13:57:01 <Halcyon> I'm moody with anything less than 7 hours
13:57:03 <Ampera> doesn't mean it's any good.
13:57:23 <Ampera> all I do is sit here and do fuck all.
13:57:49 <Halcyon> Then come here and start restoring my vintage puters
13:57:57 <Halcyon> I'd love to but I don't have the time
13:58:23 <Ampera> mmm, I'd love to too, but I don't have the air fare
13:58:38 <Halcyon> Damn you
13:59:52 <Ampera> for whatever reason I keep thinking of some moron from a shoe0nhead video, who I just recall talking about how she takes humor very seriously
14:00:14 <Ampera> I'm also listening to ELO's Living Thing, to remind myself not to kill myself.
14:13:54 * Halcyon cuddles Ampera
14:19:04 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
14:19:10 <Halcyon> Naww :)
14:19:23 <Ampera> could fucking use it right now
14:19:51 <Ampera> There's always a day in the future that will be the worst day of one's life, and at least for me, that's been the last who the fuck knows how many days.
14:20:56 <Ampera> at least complaining about it makes me feel a little bit better
14:22:37 <Halcyon> Well, feel free to vent, at least we can listen
14:28:25 <Ampera> I'll probably annoy and/or concern the shit out of everyone, but I lost the ability to give a fuck all too long ago.
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14:29:26 <Ampera> I feel myself reaching an impasse en grande, with no recourse.
14:29:53 <Ampera> There is no solution, there is only a different sort of suffering.
14:31:01 <Ampera> My mind decomposes and dies, for I only exist in the solitary eye of the storm.
14:31:54 <Ampera> Self control tainted and weakened by anxiety, fear, and the taunting imaginations of realities impossible to grasp, but too easy to ponder.
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14:33:18 <Halcyon> You keep saying that but you're yet to annoy anyone
14:33:32 <Halcyon> People actually like you :P
14:34:02 <Ampera> that's kinda gay ngl
14:34:07 <Ampera> but at least I can still smile at that
14:41:29 <Halcyon> :)
14:52:54 <Ampera> I've been singing a bit recently, I've found a bit of joy in that.
14:53:03 <Ampera> It helps exercise my voice, and my vocal range has been really improving.
14:53:10 <Halcyon> Oh nice :)
14:53:13 <Halcyon> I wish I could sing
14:53:27 <Ampera> I don't know if I can or not. I sound good to me, but I have no clue how well I sound to other people.
14:54:21 <T3sl4> if you want to know true horror, record yourself.
14:54:30 * T3sl4 hugs Ampera and Halcyon
14:54:47 <Ampera> I've done that and it sounds awful to me, especially without backing music.
14:54:50 <Halcyon> YAY! Group hug
14:54:58 <Ampera> I mean I can record something real quick, but it's gonna sound bad because I have a shit mic anyways
14:55:09 <T3sl4> same here, tbh :P
14:55:16 <Halcyon> I only sound good when I'm drunk :P
14:55:24 <T3sl4> Halcyon: the best way to karaoke ;)
14:55:28 <Ampera> Well let me record something and I can get an opinion
14:55:43 <Halcyon> Do something by the Backstreet Boys :)
14:55:55 <Ampera> No, I'll do something that I know how to sing, at least a bit.
14:55:59 <T3sl4> i did once
14:56:04 <Ampera> John Lennon, Beatles.
14:56:34 <Ampera> My microphone has a shit ton of noise on it, probably from my ADC
14:59:38 <Halcyon> Can you send it to me on Signal or Whatsapp?
14:59:51 <Ampera> I'll send it over IRC
15:00:01 <Ampera> gonna do a third take, standby
15:04:01 <Ampera> Uploading it, standby
15:05:39 <Ampera> http://amperaa.net/cdn/Strawberry.mp3 The audio quality is awful, and that doesn't help me, and sorry about the noise. Halcyon, T3sl4
15:07:42 <Halcyon> That better be Nikki Webster - Strawberry Kisses
15:07:43 <Halcyon> :P
15:07:53 <Ampera> The Beatles, Strawberry Fields Forever
15:08:18 <Ampera> It has a high vocal range, I enjoy the tune immensely, and it's recognizable, so it's easy to compare it.
15:08:35 <Ampera> Something really interesting, though, is that when I play it ontop of the original, it sounds quite nice.
15:08:54 <Ampera> My voice seems to blend with John Lennon's voice rather well, but that's probably because I was singing to it.
15:08:59 <T3sl4> you have a nice voice Ampera
15:09:17 <T3sl4> Halcyon, you'd like what i just came back from
15:09:20 <Ampera> Thank you. I can't judge it to be honest, but as far as I know that's normal.
15:09:27 <Halcyon> You actually have a nice voice
15:09:53 <Halcyon> What did you just come back from T3sl4 ?
15:10:22 <Halcyon> I would describe your voice as "sensual" Ampera
15:10:22 <T3sl4> ah, here we go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_ztlENPhB0
15:10:23 <Halcyon> :)
15:11:16 <T3sl4> that's the final act
15:11:49 <Ampera> OKILY DOKILY?
15:11:56 <Ampera> Did you just see them live?
15:12:04 <T3sl4> ye
15:12:13 <T3sl4> literally down the street, walked there :)
15:12:33 <Ampera> Man I wish I could see them.
15:12:44 <T3sl4> they're going to chicago next
15:12:56 <T3sl4> they're going to uh, NJ sooner or later?
15:13:13 <Halcyon> That is just awful T3sl4
15:13:17 <Halcyon> It's just yelling
15:13:19 <T3sl4> https://okillydokilly.bandcamp.com/
15:13:24 <T3sl4> Halcyon, half yelling
15:14:05 <Ampera> I like it, it always puts a smile on my face when I listen to them
15:15:24 <T3sl4> god speed, little doodle!
15:15:40 <Halcyon> Heheh doodle
15:15:42 * Ampera is now listening to White Wine Spritzer
15:16:21 <Ampera> Halcyon, what nationality would you ascribe to my voice, out of curiosity
15:16:42 <T3sl4> you're doing a bit of british accent but that might just be because of what you're singing :P
15:16:43 <Halcyon> I honestly don't know. The American is obvious but it has a twang
15:16:47 <Halcyon> It's quite unique but I like it
15:17:18 <Halcyon> I should play it for Mark, he teaches music
15:17:34 <Ampera> Let me do another song.
15:17:45 <Ampera> Penny Lane, Let It Be, or Across the Universe
15:18:08 <Ampera> I'd rather do Beatles or ELO songs, so something within that range is acceptable.
15:18:16 <T3sl4> can you do Let It Go to the tune of Let It Be
15:18:51 <Ampera> You know I had actually thought about that before, but I'd want to put more time into organizing that if I did. I'm actually considering trying to become a musician. I certainly have enough gear.
15:19:17 <T3sl4> :D
15:19:19 <Ampera> http://amperaa.net/cdn/playlist.txt This is a playlist of music that I may or may not be willing to try, just because it's music I like
15:19:34 <Ampera> also these website things are great
15:20:02 <Halcyon> I reckon you could pull off Scissor Sisters quite well
15:20:09 <T3sl4> thats hot
15:20:33 <Ampera> I might be able to, let me listen to that song real quick, because I've sung it before.
15:20:43 * Halcyon sprays T3sl4 with a water bottle
15:20:53 <T3sl4> mmm, spritzy
15:21:30 * T3sl4 spritzes Halcyon with white wine
15:22:17 <Ampera> Nah I'd rather do that one another time.
15:22:49 <Halcyon> I'm on the reds at the moment :)
15:22:53 <Ampera> It's a complicated song, and even though I like it, it's not something I'm in the mood for.
15:23:00 <Ampera> I'm gonna do penny lane.
15:24:23 <Ampera> Nah that's not working either.
15:24:26 <Ampera> hrm
15:34:25 <Ampera> nah my voice is just too tired
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15:37:24 <T3sl4> why does home shopping network hang out on IRC :P
15:40:01 <Halcyon> ?
15:40:15 <Ampera> That's a joke only Americunts can get.
15:40:35 * T3sl4 buys Halcyon a Clue from QVC
15:40:44 <T3sl4> (a raging clue, natch)
15:41:11 <Halcyon> I have no idea what you lot are on about
15:41:28 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/mGKbEzj.jpg
15:41:37 <Halcyon> Oh
15:41:39 <Halcyon> HEH
15:58:39 <hsn> guys
15:59:52 <hsn> i've seen guidance to place capacitors to chassis earth ground from phase and neutral to remove common mode noise. isnt that incorrect ?
16:02:44 <T3sl4> depends
16:03:21 <T3sl4> it is a standard technique, hence there are safety ratings for parts in such use
16:11:58 <hsn> safety ratings for (capacitors) ? you mean?
16:13:06 <T3sl4> Y1 rated
16:17:13 <hsn> so this will have small leakge to earth and if you (theoratically) have too many devices you will have larger leakage current which will trip ELCB?
16:17:37 <hsn> and thats why they make ELCB to trip usually at 10mA 30mA not 1mA ?
16:18:47 <T3sl4> partly, sure
16:19:05 <T3sl4> also why Y1 rated caps are not usually seen over 4700pF or so
16:19:52 <T3sl4> or in medical devices, allowable ground current is even smaller, like 1mA max, so even smaller caps are needed, and different methods are needed to make SMPSs quieter (like balanced windings and shielding)
16:20:55 <hsn> hmmm
16:21:01 <hsn> intresting
16:41:24 <damian> WEEEOOWWWW
16:41:47 <Halcyon> What's up damian ?
16:43:14 <Ampera> ew
16:43:43 <Ampera> now that I know how to do that, I can't stop myself from doing it to everyone, just because I'm so curious
16:45:10 <damian> not much
16:45:15 <damian> just killing a few minutes before i head to dinner
16:45:40 <Ampera> oh it even tells me a bit about your CPU
16:49:02 <damian> don't listen to it, it's lying!
16:49:19 <damian> (@Ampera) That's a joke only Americunts can get.
16:49:29 <Ampera> It says Halcyon has an x86_64, 2.4Ghz, with SMP
16:49:35 <damian> ^ not so much, i think all other western countries devour enough american content to know what HSN is :P
16:50:35 <Ampera> congrats, you're an honorary americunt
16:50:49 <Ampera> please pick up your wellfare check, mobility scooter, and MAGA hat
16:50:58 <hsn> HSN is ?
16:51:13 <Ampera> Home Shopping Network
16:51:18 <damian> mobility scooter
16:51:19 <damian> goddamn
16:51:24 <hsn> :D
16:51:36 <Ampera> nothing, hsn doesn't have a version
16:51:44 <damian> so we went to walmart in honolulu when we were there the other week .. two aisles in and we saw the biggest guy ever, pants half hanging down .. classic #walmart
16:51:53 Nick: hsn is now known as _hsn_
16:52:05 <damian> then half way around the store we saw a guy with a scooter .. a walmart branded scooter ...... with a goddamn trolley on the front of it
16:52:05 <Ampera> neither does EEVBlog
16:52:24 <Ampera> Yep, that's common.
16:52:31 <Ampera> Walmart is the stereotypical shithead store.
16:52:34 <damian> like seriously, what kind of shop makes mobility scooters!
16:52:35 <T3sl4> they have those, yeah
16:52:35 <damian> it's crazy
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17:40:00 <Halcyon> Hm?
18:18:43 <Halcyon> Mmmm Belgian chocolate icecream
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19:37:09 <Halcyon> Aww you're so handsome steve30
19:37:15 <Halcyon> I like the photo you posted on the forum
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