// #eevblog — 2019-01-27
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01:29:14 <Halcyon> Rar
01:31:01 <steve30> Lha
01:33:26 <Halcyon> Heh
01:33:27 <Halcyon> :)
01:38:37 <steve30> I had a little walk up to the shops earlier. Now i'm tired
01:42:19 <Halcyon> Naww
01:42:22 <Halcyon> What did you get?
01:43:02 <steve30> biscuits, chocolate, newspaper, and chicken breasts
01:43:13 <Halcyon> Lovely :)
01:43:27 <coppice_> chicken breasts are so bloody expensive.
01:43:39 * steve30 collapses on halcyon's lap
01:44:03 <Halcyon> No, me on yours
01:44:06 <Halcyon> I'm pooped
01:44:13 <Halcyon> I just got home from an overtime shift
01:45:31 * steve30 puts Halcyon to bed
01:45:40 <Halcyon> I'm having a wine first :)
01:46:44 <steve30> I'm just watching a video which features a SOMY brand TV
01:46:55 <Halcyon> Somy ?
01:49:07 <steve30> https://youtu.be/PklaByEQSZA?t=527
01:49:39 <steve30> Just looks like a generic cheap chinese portable TV with creative branding
01:51:04 <coppice_> It looks like one of those prototype OEM designs, made in small numbers, that was intended to be mass produced with a buyer's name of the front
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09:23:05 <Halcyon> Morning all
09:23:24 <steve30> evening
09:23:27 <Halcyon> :)
09:23:44 * Halcyon boils the kettle
09:26:23 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
09:26:25 <Ampera> how do
09:39:05 * Halcyon coffee's all over steve30 and Ampera
09:39:12 <Halcyon> I'm well and you?
09:39:17 <Ampera> porn
09:39:22 <steve30> coffee \o/
09:39:24 <Halcyon> Porn>
09:39:24 <Halcyon> ?
09:39:30 <Ampera> filtering
09:39:37 <Halcyon> Filtering porn?
09:39:54 <Halcyon> I saw someone who looked like you yesterday Steve
09:40:07 <steve30> who was it?
09:40:16 <Halcyon> No idea, some random at a concert I was working at
09:40:21 <Ampera> yes, filtering my collection
09:40:47 <Halcyon> I need to change one of the light bulbs in the oven :(
09:45:01 <Ampera> I'm isolating all of the normal porn from the fucked up shit
09:45:32 <Halcyon> Probably a good idea :P
09:46:56 <Ampera> why
09:47:16 <Halcyon> What if one day you have a friend over and he/she discovers your freaky stuff?
09:47:58 <steve30> they'd have a fun time together :p
09:48:03 <Ampera> then they would know how to not only use windowmaker and xfe, but also specifically navigate an obscure and hard to find file structure on one mountpount for one out of four partitions
09:48:35 <Ampera> furthermore, at a moment's notice, all of my porn is backed up encrypted, so I can quickly delete the unencrypted stuff, making it significantly harder to find
09:48:52 <rust_collector> windowmaker...
09:49:01 <Ampera> yes?
09:49:18 <rust_collector> I don't think I ever tried that
09:49:50 <Ampera> It's my favourite WM of all time, it's minimalistic, visually appealing (to my eyes), light, powerful, and amazingly customizable.
09:50:16 <Ampera> rust_collector, https://gyazo.com/4d60f7e86a89db9eb08acb6bb70fae4f
09:50:29 <steve30> I should go back to fluxbox
09:50:56 <Halcyon> eevblog status
09:50:56 <EEVBlog> EEVBlog's Latest Tweet: Any hour now... https://t.co/gzBMYa5fOs
09:51:49 <rust_collector> if you enable the menu button in fluxbox, you pretty much have a nice old windows-ish desktop
09:52:16 <Ampera> I'm trying to get away from Windows, why would I want to copy it?
09:52:24 <rust_collector> maybe I should try that windowmaker.
09:52:30 <Ampera> wmaker is way more efficient to use.
09:52:33 <Ampera> rust_collector, what distro you on?
09:52:43 <rust_collector> meh, just saying. I did not say you should use it
09:52:59 <rust_collector> at the moment, I am on MX...17?
09:53:11 <rust_collector> so, sort of antix with xfce
09:53:26 <Ampera> MX?
09:53:56 <rust_collector> https://mxlinux.org/
09:54:06 <Ampera> ah, debian derivative
09:54:14 <rust_collector> yea
09:54:21 <DHess_US> Halcyon, isn't that question too hypothetical? It assumed Ampera could hav a friend.
09:54:30 <Ampera> DHess_US,
09:54:33 <Ampera> nvm
09:54:34 <Halcyon> :P
09:54:43 <Ampera> Well the fuck do you call Halcyon then?
09:54:51 <Halcyon> *grin*
09:54:55 <Halcyon> But IRL I'd be his friend
09:54:59 <DHess_US> Halcyon is a bot. I wrote him.
09:55:00 <Halcyon> He's quirky
09:55:01 <Ampera> rust_collector, I'm on Arch.
09:55:01 <rust_collector> probably a bot
09:55:06 <Halcyon> Dammit, I've been found out
09:55:12 <Ampera> Halcyon Status
09:55:17 <Halcyon> Waking up
09:55:34 <Ampera> Halcyon Debug and Version
09:55:41 <EEVBlog> My name's not Halcyon!
09:55:43 <Halcyon> *grin*
09:55:45 <Halcyon> Hahaha
09:55:49 <Halcyon> Nice touch
09:55:55 <Ampera> not really
09:56:09 * steve30 meows at EEVBlog
09:56:17 * Halcyon paws at steve30
09:56:20 * EEVBlog pets the steve30
09:56:40 <Ampera> alright, enough dicking around with the bot
09:56:59 * Halcyon dicks EEVBlog
09:57:12 <Ampera> rust_collector, just some advice for enjoying wmaker, get the extra themes and use STEP2000, because it looks neet
09:57:41 <Ampera> and for dockapps, peksystray is the only system tray that works right, at least for me, and wmclock is the clock I'm using
09:58:04 <rust_collector> from pekwm?
09:58:20 <rust_collector> the systray
09:58:21 <Ampera> ~/GNUStep/Library/WindowMaker/autostart is to autostart apps outside of dockapps
09:58:36 <Ampera> Yeah, it's not entirely intended for windowmaker, but the ones that are, are completely broken for me
09:59:05 <Halcyon> I'm really enjoying John Ward's videos
09:59:11 <Ampera> Also, be careful of some apps with fancy transparencies, things like docky don't work on wmaker, but this is rare outside of strange caseszx
09:59:15 <Halcyon> He was never really in my rotation of YouTubers to watch
09:59:26 <Ampera> I prefer John Dimple and John Disc
09:59:34 <steve30> I've been watching him for a while
09:59:55 <steve30> Have you seen the one where he goes in a car park lift?
10:00:08 <DHess_US> And Jooooohn Smallberries!
10:00:13 <DHess_US> Obscure?
10:00:44 <Ampera> is that you john wayne
10:00:45 <Ampera> is this me?
10:00:56 <DHess_US> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqjIBlJ7YN0
10:11:59 <steve30> i might do some more food
10:17:16 <rust_collector> I like that somy tv oscope, lol
10:31:40 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: EEVblog #1173 - Rohde & Schwarz Power Supply Bonanza: https://t.co/hsqinNvfXC via @YouTube
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10:38:43 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Wow @Keysight Please explain. https://t.co/nxfMv8mJXZ
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10:46:20 <DHess_US> "And we have reached the drinking portion of the repair."
10:46:52 <rust_collector> that is the important part
11:01:51 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Someone/something ordered a bunch of books on my Amazon Kindle. Ok, Richard Rhodes is one of my fav authors, so I might enjoy that. And the dank memes might be funny, so thanks, I guess.... https://t.co/CSGfviRyOY
11:10:15 <DHess_US> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLgmyEVyuVw&feature=youtu.be&t=795
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11:20:18 <WebChatUser> Hi.
11:20:18 <WebChatUser> I need wiring diagram for 8 pin din or 9 pin din to Rj45 Bose link cable
11:20:18 <EEVBlog> hi.
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11:34:43 <gremlinz> bye,
11:36:04 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: EEVblog #1174 - Rohde & Schwarz PSU Teardowns: https://t.co/wyZle4HmTQ via @YouTube
12:15:18 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: My Youtube strike STILL hasn't been lifted. Would hate to be a channel that relied on live streaming.
12:15:35 <steve30> Dave is twittering a lot today
12:29:35 <Halcyon> It's a Sunday
12:29:37 <Halcyon> He should be relaxing
12:50:09 <DHess_US> Relaxing? Sunday is for extreme hacking!
12:56:14 <Ampera> Halcyon, it's Saturday ya burnt peice of celery
12:56:28 <Halcyon> How do you burn celery?
12:56:35 <Ampera> with heat
12:56:37 <Halcyon> Also, eevblog time
12:56:41 <Halcyon> Dammit
12:56:47 <Ampera> eevblog time
12:56:47 <EEVBlog> Ah shoot, Doc! We've ended up at 13:00 Sydney time.
12:56:51 <Halcyon> There we go
12:56:58 <Ampera> you can't have anything before or after the command
12:57:03 <Halcyon> Why not
12:57:11 <Ampera> because that way I can talk about the commands without them activating
12:57:21 <Halcyon> I'll active you
12:57:22 <Ampera> so if I want to tell someone how to use one, it doesn't just do it
12:57:29 <Halcyon> Fair enough
12:57:54 <DHess_US> Dave working on Sunday and this happens. Coincidence? I think not! https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/blackout-ahead-for-130-000-homes-as-power-system-falters-20190125-p50tn7.html
12:58:14 <Ampera> Dave works and lives in NSW
12:58:33 <DHess_US> His reach is far ....
12:58:49 <Ampera> ya might as well blame me
12:59:21 <DHess_US> You were his accompliss. That is why you are defending him.
12:59:44 <Ampera> I've never even met him, all I do is creepily hand around his IRC, and make bots
13:00:00 <DHess_US> So you say.
13:00:28 <DHess_US> hehe, in that article it is somehow coal power's fault that wind power is unreliable.
13:00:29 <EEVBlog> You're asking too many questions, DHess_US
13:00:58 <DHess_US> This is how the robot appocalypse starts.
13:01:17 <EEVBlog> Not with a bang, but with a bot.
13:01:47 <DHess_US> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Names
13:01:48 <Halcyon> The South Australian and more recently Victorian power grids have been struggling
13:02:02 <Halcyon> Largely due to the shutdown of coal fires plans and increased renewables
13:02:03 <Ampera> It's almost like your politicians can't be trusted with infrastructure.
13:02:10 <Halcyon> You're absolutely right Ampera
13:02:25 <bigbadwolv> haha hit the nail on the head
13:02:35 <Halcyon> Hey JD
13:03:05 <Ampera> We might have monopolies cucking us every step of the way, and doing dick moves, but at least most places are able to get > 15mbps
13:03:15 <bigbadwolv> Someone need to grow a pair and implement nuclear already
13:03:34 <Halcyon> I agree
13:03:35 <bigbadwolv> hey Halcyon
13:03:37 <Ampera> DSL is actually quite rare in the US, it exists, but it's not as popular as cable, and maybe even fibre
13:03:40 <Halcyon> It's the best alternative we have at this stage
13:04:09 <Ampera> Halcyon, you want to trust the entity that implemented the NBN with nuclear fission?
13:04:18 <DHess_US> But it wasn't the politician
13:04:18 <Halcyon> Solar and wind are fine in certain areas but only to supplement the grid, not to rely on it for baseload power
13:04:30 <DHess_US> But it wasn't the politician's fault. It was the coal power plant's fault.
13:04:35 <Halcyon> Amps: Well THEY wouldn't be building it
13:04:50 <Ampera> no, they would be paying the people who will
13:05:37 <Halcyon> Yes, but unlike the NBN, there are international standards which dictate nuclear power and reactor design
13:06:12 <Ampera> Yes, and I can't rob someone because it's illegal.
13:06:14 <Ampera> I just can't do it.
13:06:15 <bigbadwolv> I agree Halcyon - solar and wind are great sources of supplemental energy... not baseload
13:09:26 <DHess_US> I can't speed because it is illegal.
13:09:32 <bigbadwolv> nuclear is the way to go - we have an abundance of uranium and it has proven to be safe all over the world.. well at least most places all over the world - just need to avoid tectonic plates and other high-risk sites for natural disaster
13:09:49 <Ampera> And if they confiscate your lisence, DHess_US, you can't drive either.
13:10:04 <DHess_US> Nuclear is safer than hydroelectric.
13:10:32 <Ampera> Nuclear is safer than gasoline.
13:11:00 <Halcyon> You mean petrol Ampera, you retardistani
13:11:35 <Ampera> I mean the dinosuar juice you pump into the ass of your car to make it run over minorities and children
13:11:49 <Halcyon> Ahh so Premium Unleaded then :P
13:12:49 <bigbadwolv> Whilst I agree with the notion that just because there are rules in place that they won't necessarily be followed - if we ever do implement nuclear in aus you can almost guarantee that the rules will be followed - they would be under so much scrutiny as nuclear is so taboo
13:13:01 <DHess_US> 2 metric tons of hippies can be rendered into 40 gallons of biodiesel via thermal depolymerization. That is why I have a diesel.
13:13:22 <Halcyon> Indeed
13:13:52 <DHess_US> So my car runs on hippie juice and not dinosaur juice.
13:13:59 <Halcyon> The tiniest thing that goes wrong, even if a light bulb goes out in an emergency exit sign, the greenies will be all over it, calling it a "failure"
13:14:19 <bigbadwolv> haha yep
13:14:22 <Halcyon> DHess_US: Isn't Diesel made of even more crude oil than petrol?
13:22:59 <DHess_US> Halcyon, sort of but there is a conservation of energy thing going on also. Different "flavors" of crude oil distill into different fractions of petrol and diesel.
13:23:28 <DHess_US> But diesel engines are inherently more efficient because they operate at a higher compression ratio.
13:23:29 <Halcyon> Furry muff
13:24:05 <DHess_US> If you could convert petrol to diesel for free, you would get more energy out of it from diesel engines than petrol engines.
13:25:22 <DHess_US> As far as who uses what, the US has more "light sweet crude" so without extra processing, gets more petrol compared to diesel. Europe is the opposite so it made sense to use more diesel than petrol in Europe.
13:27:33 <DHess_US> That's one of the things that fucked over Venezuela. The US was their major customer for crude oil and had the refineries to use it so they could not easily sell crude oil to anybody else.
14:32:32 <Halcyon> I feel dirty downloading AMD drives
15:01:30 <DHess_US> AMD ... drives? Like mass storage drives?
15:13:53 <bigbadwolv> I assume he meant to say drivers.... he should feel dirty
15:47:23 <Halcyon> DHess_US: GPU drives
15:47:26 <Halcyon> drivers
15:47:41 <Halcyon> Been having nothing but issues, which is not surprising for AMD
15:53:47 <bigbadwolv> #AMDlife
16:37:08 <DHess_US> I haven't had problems with AMD ever. But I have lots of dead nVidia hardware.
16:38:03 <DHess_US> Well, I had one AMD card die but it was a defective design and XFX replaced it under warranty with a different card.
16:39:58 <DHess_US> This is what I think of nVidia, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_36yNWw_07g
16:49:58 <bigbadwolv> lol... I tend to disagree - I've never had an issue with nVidia but have had nothing but dramas with AMD
16:50:40 <bigbadwolv> Not to mention in my experience they are power hungry for no real gain
17:12:30 <Ampera> ATI, which I will use from now on to specifically refer to the graphics division of AMD, are a joke. I have never had driver issues with them, but I don't tend to have driver issues most of the time, and now that I use Linux, that pretty much goes to a never as far as graphics goes.
17:13:04 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Thought experiment: If you had a >room temp supercondutor, could you transfer an entire countries power needs through a single tiny wire. If not, why not? I'm betting practical limits on some form of magnetic density + connection/oxidisation etc would dominate as a minimum.
17:13:37 <Ampera> Their CPUs, on the other hand, can be some of the best chips on the market, depending on how the wind is blowing. AMD tends to be less stingy about their tech, allowing such luxurious features like a large number of PCIe lanes, hyperthreading (or their equivalent) on almost all CPUs, and etc.
17:14:54 <Ampera> For Dave's tweet, I imagine you could stick as much as you wanted through a superconductor until the energy density got significant enough to cause actual spatial issues.
17:15:07 <Ampera> Black holes may be one possibility, but I imagine issues would crop up before then.
18:16:28 <Halcyon> eevblog status
18:16:28 <EEVBlog> EEVBlog's Latest Tweet: Thought experiment: If you had a >room temp supercondutor, could you transfer an entire countries power needs through a single tiny wire. If not, why not? I'm betting practical limits on some form of magnetic density + connection/oxidisation etc would dominate as a minimum.
18:16:54 <Halcyon> Heheh he's terrible
18:25:54 * Ampera throws a can of squid at Halcyon
18:26:38 <Halcyon> Squid comes in cans?
18:26:43 <Halcyon> You Americans :P
18:26:46 <Ampera> the squid I eat does
18:26:50 <Ampera> it's not american, it's spanish
18:26:51 <Halcyon> Weird
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18:29:59 <Ampera> hi DogWomble
18:30:07 <DogWomble> hey amp :)
18:35:15 <Halcyon> Hey Timmeh
18:35:40 <Ampera> We've got enough people for a nice game of Skat
18:49:58 <T3sl4> :S
18:50:10 <T3sl4> the string came off my teabag, and the leaves fell out into my cup
18:53:13 <ServalSpots> take my teaball my good man
18:53:20 <T3sl4> \o/
18:53:26 <T3sl4> i was hoping someone would catch that
18:54:00 <ServalSpots> I'm glad you resisted calling it a teabagcan
18:54:39 <T3sl4> fortunately i caught the reference after i wrote that, so i didn't gum it up with a weirdness like that
19:03:00 <T3sl4> hah, fascinating; on my AVR console, if i disable interrupts (write RAM 0x3f <= (not bit 7 set)), it gets three characters into the output before properly locking up
19:03:43 <T3sl4> (events are interrupt serviced, so of course it goes absolutely dead after this is done in main())
19:05:42 * Ampera gives T3sl4 a good Cing to
19:06:11 * T3sl4 disassembles Ampera
19:06:56 * Ampera pokes T3sl4 with something #
19:07:06 <T3sl4> have i ever shown you some code samples of mine? https://github.com/T3sl4co1l/st7735_gfx/blob/master/st7735.c
19:07:39 <Ampera> you know that C has comment blocks, right?
19:07:49 <Ampera> in fact there are C implementations that don't even have single line comments
19:07:59 <T3sl4> old C
19:08:10 <Ampera> ANSI C and friends
19:08:20 <T3sl4> the top half is copied from adafruit, bring it up with ther
19:08:31 <T3sl4> s/ther/her/
19:08:46 <Ampera> I thought adafruit was a company
19:09:14 <Ampera> or at least a way to motivate a trained homosexual while doing tricks.
19:09:22 <T3sl4> most of it is Limor
19:09:34 * Ampera whips Halcyon
19:09:36 * T3sl4 gives Halcyon an "addaboy"
19:10:46 <Ampera> Anyways, you showed me some of your code, I should show you some of mine, so you can cringe at it.
19:11:19 <Ampera> note I will be intentionally giving you something bad, I'm not actually as shit as I will seem
19:11:26 <T3sl4> the drawImage function is the highlight of that file
19:12:34 <Ampera> I can give you something more recent that's a similar brainfuck, but this is how AmpMC used to look when it was made with Java, and before I did any sort of optimization, and before the idea of for loops hit me
19:12:38 <Ampera> https://pastebin.com/F8uf9hwe
19:13:00 <T3sl4> LÖÖps
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19:13:20 <T3sl4> ew, no import .*'s
19:13:59 <Ampera> That's intentional, and still standard practice, to do thinks like keep the namespace clean
19:14:08 <T3sl4> the tabbing is really weird
19:14:10 <Ampera> not sure if it has any memory implications, but in the event it does
19:14:30 <Ampera> T3sl4, That's before I gave too much of a shit about tabbing, but as you can see the big big issue is a lot of code that could be packed into for loops no problem
19:14:46 <T3sl4> yeah, that's about what i would expect for setting up a window and elements
19:14:55 <T3sl4> it's a bunch of stuff, it's never going to look concise
19:15:08 <T3sl4> i guess the preferred way would be to use netbeans, is it?
19:15:19 <Ampera> Actually once I got it, you know, optimized, it wasn't that bad.
19:15:24 <T3sl4> yeah
19:15:39 <Ampera> T3sl4, not imo, Netbeans' GUI maker is a curiosity, but in my view annoying as fuck to work with
19:15:46 <T3sl4> figures
19:15:57 <Ampera> I'd rather just type it out and get the shit done. I just wish I could do this in C.
19:16:06 <Ampera> SDL does have advantages though.
19:16:22 <Ampera> That code was actually made in Netbeans, since it's my go-to Java IDE
19:16:40 <Ampera> T3sl4, besides the bot, which is closed source, this is my most recent thing I've made: https://pastebin.com/wFQkyQvA
19:17:03 <Ampera> a simple config sniffer for AmpMC, unfinished.
19:17:15 <Ampera> and probably done the hard way
19:17:16 <T3sl4> similar mess, https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/JavaTuning.png
19:17:54 <Ampera> Well another reason for doing manual GUI design, is so I can do insane things like this with Swing: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/241332720335192076/534467865089146900/Screenshot_at_2018-08-02_03-11-23.png
19:17:59 <T3sl4> obv you don't see all of it, but it's much the same way, a bunch of fields and labels
19:18:12 <Ampera> Now /that/ you can't do in Netbeans
19:19:55 * T3sl4 nod
19:21:35 <Ampera> I tell y'a what, T3sl4, I think I lost the Java source for AmpMC
19:21:53 <T3sl4> :|
19:22:08 <Ampera> not really bothered about it, the project was going nowhere, and I fizzled on it hard
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21:37:35 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I'm not sure if Youtube is going to auto-announce this, so here it is, live show tomorrow morning. Assuming nothing goes horribly wrong. I have to re-setup my live bench, & have not tried a pre-announced live stream before, so, yeah... https://t.co/OTOfn7cJaq
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21:50:40 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Will reuse these takeaway containers for parts. But I've got a long way to go to match that Sparks collection... https://t.co/rdgKACHm0Z
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